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Speaker 2: that one, Jamie's that was really helpful. I think we really,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one of you was great.

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Speaker 2: One of us is great. And you know what's not great.

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Speaker 2: Sophie has a dying squirrel on her property.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna know, this is like ruined my entire Nay, Cannon.

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Speaker 2: It's cannon. Now, Sophie, it's cannon.

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Speaker 3: You're going to give it a name so it feels worse. No, sorry,

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Speaker 2: How about Elizabeth Elizabeth the squirrel? Oh no, Elizabeth the

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Speaker 2: terminally ill squirrel.

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Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred per centuries dying, but he's stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually not a good sign for something like

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth has a lot of unfinished business. This is really sad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't get her will prepared.

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Speaker 3: Robert, I just need you to come.

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Speaker 1: I just need you to come over here and do

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Speaker 2: I mean, kill it with a rock alleged. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I don't know what else to do with, you know,

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Speaker 2: suffering little animals. But yeah, when I lived, when I

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's an important part of her daily exercise regime.

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Speaker 2: Take a life is yeah, euthanasia.

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Speaker 3: When I was little, I had an outdoor cat, which

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Speaker 2: He was making his own a bone temple like in

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Speaker 2: the New twenty eight Years Later movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves you so much. He wanted you to

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Speaker 2: that's not you know how many how many, how many

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Speaker 2: guys will do that for you, right, you know that's why,

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Speaker 2: that's why we have pets.

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Speaker 3: That's the main problem. I haven't seen the movie yet.

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Speaker 3: Is it like all I've seen is like clickbait about

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Speaker 3: it being like zombies with their cocks out?

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Speaker 2: Is that actually there's a lot of dicks? You know?

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Speaker 2: When I heard that, I was like, we're probably gonna

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Speaker 2: But no, they really there's a lot of cock in

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Speaker 2: the New twenty eight movie.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate that they didn't undersell it. Okay, no, well.

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Speaker 2: No, no, there's there's a there's more more dick than

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Speaker 2: you're expecting. That maybe less dick than I would have preferred,

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Speaker 3: Okay, I will I will go. I haven't seen the

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Speaker 2: It's okay, you're not gonna you know what a zombie

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Speaker 3: Right, there's there's enough like a need for context in

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Speaker 3: our day to day work. I'm like, I'm not trying

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Speaker 2: Showing other than I guess. In the twenty eight movies,

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Speaker 3: So there are people with their cocks out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're people with their cocks out, but it's okay.

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Speaker 3: Why child stardom should be illegal?

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Speaker 3: Ever heard. Look, they're like, no, you can't, you can't. Actually,

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Speaker 3: How did we get here?

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Speaker 2: People were just talking about movies, Sophie, because we really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather talk about zombie dicks than Pete egg Seth.

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Speaker 3: You're good at the Peter Teel addendum episode? Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess that's the cold open done. You're welcome for

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Speaker 3: We're back, okay, And well now I'm nice and warm

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Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth, our current secretary of Defense? Is it, you know, embarrassing? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And he writes in twenty twenty a manifesto slash book

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Speaker 3: Right, I guess it never occurred to me that he

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Speaker 2: So Peter heg Seth was born on June sixth, nineteen

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Speaker 2: He would try to. So Pete is, in short, exactly

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Speaker 3: It's no good because while he was in New York,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he attempts to run for Senate in Minnesota,

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Speaker 3: So he sucks because it was like, like, I'm not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like it should you know, it should be spent

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah the tea party. Tea party has started

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got look at it. I mean, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the goo is protecting him from being tricked into

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was load bearing goo, brutal Jesus Christ. I

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, this bitch will do anything.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll need to do an episode on of him

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's just like no failure, Like there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, who was he was?

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Speaker 2: He was my pillow guy. Was sadder because Juliani at least,

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Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani movie.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, I forgot that existed. Holy shit. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, called America's mayor.

435
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Speaker 2: No, I mean that's what we it might be, but

436
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: that's what we call Rudy. Growing up as a conservative.

437
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,640
Speaker 3: Like that go around too. I like that city that's

438
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:12,960
Speaker 3: got a dog for mayor.

439
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I don't think mayor should be legal

440
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: or I think we should. I think we should have,

441
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: like you know, some of those cultures that would like

442
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: ritualistically kill their leaders, that's what we should do to

443
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 2: mayor's should be built into legal system that we had,

444
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 2: like a Wickerman after every mayor's term.

445
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 3: That's Santa University rules. At the end, get university rules.

446
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 3: You get one year tenure of Santa and then you're

447
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: publicly executed.

448
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that we that's that's that's how we

449
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 2: should that. That's like when we write our new constitution.

450
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 2: That's how our elected leaders should work. Yeah, we're now

451
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 2: doing a Wickerman for everybody.

452
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 3: Oh you care, what are you willing to put on

453
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 3: the line.

454
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Speaker 2: You were a great alder man. Unfortunately your years up

455
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: at every level, at every level, the fucking school board.

456
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the comptroller and like, sorry, brother.

457
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 2: Look, would it be a good system? No? Would it

458
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: work better than our current system? Maybe?

459
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's worth a shot.

460
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 2: Perhaps.

461
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 3: I think it's worth a shot, and it would really

462
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: bring people together for particular individuals.

463
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that bring people together, Jamie, the products

464
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 2: and services that support this podcast.

465
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: I love to gather around a good product or service

466
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 3: with my loved ones.

467
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 2: Gather around be warmed by it.

468
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, just like the corpse of a squirrel.

469
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: Like the corpse of a squirrel.

470
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: Damn it, guy, we're back.

471
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 2: Sophie is still not happy.

472
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,439
Speaker 3: No, can you see it from your window? No, not

473
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: from not from where I am. But okay, but that's probably.

474
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: But I can see it in here. Elizabeth the Squirrel.

475
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a Fulbright scholar, Sophie Jesus fun.

476
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: She had a huge future ahead of hers. I really sad.

477
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: It's very tragic. Yeah, speaking of things that are tragic,

478
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 2: the fact that Pete Hegseth exists.

479
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: The fact that Pete hegg Seth sentence.

480
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, heg Seth started making appearances on Fox News,

481
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: and he was initially usually like a pinch hitter, right,

482
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: he was even't have a show. He would come and

483
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: be a talking head on segments. Right, He's a veteran.

484
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: He leads a veterans organizations to talk about this. Right.

485
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: He's doing that for a while, off and on, and

486
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's he's got whatever Fox likes, right,

487
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 2: He's he's enough like of a Okay, this this guy

488
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 2: is what our audience considers like a straight laced looking

489
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: military man. So yeah, we'll throw him in whenever we

490
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: need somebody.

491
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: The helmet hair. It's the I feel like everyone at

492
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: Fox News has the same lukewarm soup they bring to lunch, Yes,

493
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: lukeworm soup and brown alcohol.

494
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's that's precisely right. And for Hegseth, it's

495
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 2: basically all brown liquor. So he helps to lead. He

496
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: also in this time he gets hired to lead another

497
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: veterans organization CVA, or the Concerned Veterans for America. So

498
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: here he exhibits the same kind of incompetence and corruption

499
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 2: that had seen him pushed out of the VFF. He was,

500
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: in fact, party is so bad, oh Jamie. Not just parties,

501
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 2: it's there's so much about how bad he is at

502
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: this job. There is an internal whistleblower report that's commissioned

503
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,159
Speaker 2: about his three year tenure leading the organization. I'm going

504
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: to read a summary from an article in The New

505
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: Yorker of like what this report reveals. The detailed seven

506
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: page report, which was compiled by multiple formal CVA employees

507
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: and sent to the organization's senior management in February twenty fifteen,

508
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: states that at one point Hegseth had to be restrained

509
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: while drunk, from joining the dancers on the stage of

510
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: a Louisiana strip club where he had brought his team

511
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: The report also says that Hegseth, who was married at

512
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: the time, and other members of his management team sexually

513
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 2: pursued the org organization's female staffers, who they divided into

514
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 2: two groups, the party Girls and the not Party Girls.

515
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,199
Speaker 2: In addition, the report asserts that under Hegseth's leadership, the

516
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: organization became a hostile workplace that ignored serious accusations of impropriety,

517
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: including an allegation made by a female employee that another

518
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: employee on Hegseth's staff had attempted to sexually assault her

519
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: at the Louisiana Strip Club and a separate letter of

520
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: complaint which was sent to the organization in late twenty fifteen.

521
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: A different employee described Hegseth being at a bar in

522
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: the early morning hours of May twenty ninth, twenty fifteen,

523
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: while on an official tour through Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, drunkenly

524
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: chanting kill a Muslim.

525
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 3: Oh cool guy, Wow, yes, shocking. He found time for

526
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 3: all of that.

527
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: First of all, I do. Most of that's not enjoyable,

528
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: but it is funny to be How often the words

529
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: Louisiana Strip club show up in this article on beat Hegsath.

530
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: You didn't learn so much. I mean, and did he tip?

531
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: That's something anything.

532
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: Strip took away. There's no single way, so Jamie, sorry.

533
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: One, it's an honor. It's an honor. We are one.

534
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: Thank you, we are one. It's that's miserable. I mean, there,

535
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 3: this is the way that a person acts when they

536
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 3: can't live with themselves. Yeah, if nothing else, but there,

537
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so many levels there because it's

538
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 3: like in one way he's engaging in this very I

539
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 3: don't know, like this very fraternity but also sorority behavior

540
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 3: like the party girls versus non party girl sounds like

541
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: some Regina George shit, Like that's just bizarre.

542
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's just gross dude stuff,

543
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: right Like we got the party girls that we hire

544
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: because you know, you hire them because you would have

545
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 2: fuck them, right Like. That's that's what's going on in

546
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: this group right now. That's his management style, and.

547
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 3: It's and it's rich that he thinks he could, like

548
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, weed out a competent employee from a non

549
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 3: competent one, given the fact that he seems like unable

550
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: to do a single job that he has no.

551
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 2: No, no, Because again, it's all about just getting drunk

552
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: and partying, right, and sexually harassing slash assaulting your colleagues

553
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 2: and racism.

554
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: Right, So he's he's a racist molester.

555
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he gets he gets allegedly he gets kicked

556
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 2: out in twenty sixteen. There are that we have in

557
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: the record a bunch of celebratory emails from his former

558
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: colleagues being like, thank god, that guy's out right. One

559
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: of these messages includes the claim that he quote treated

560
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 2: the organization funds like they were a personal expense account

561
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: for partying, drinking, and using CVA events as little more

562
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: than opportunities to hook up with women on the road.

563
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: Who guy, So that's his third job, his third organization

564
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: that he's been shitcanned from for massive corruption right through them. Yeah,

565
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: he's just he's daring through these fucking things. I guess

566
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't get kicked out of the second because he

567
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: starts in.

568
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: Are these mostly like lateral moves? Is he like moving

569
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 3: his way up the ranks in any way? Or is

570
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: his Are these mostly just lateral?

571
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: He's moved his way up at Fox's, he's getting more

572
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: prominent within the conservative sphere because again, there's never any

573
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 2: accountability to these guys. But like his former colleagues at

574
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 2: these veterans organizations, even though they're all a lot conservative,

575
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: are like this guy absolutely should never have any job

576
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: with any responsibility. He's the worst.

577
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 3: Well, Fox in twenty sixteen, it's all but like required

578
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 3: that you have some priors at being sexy.

579
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: Yes, you have the literal devil in your blood. Yes.

580
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

581
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, during a Flag Day event hosted by Fox,

582
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: Hegseth threw an axe and accidentally hit an injuredy US

583
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: Military Academy drummer, causing serious injuries. There's a lawsuit over this.

584
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: He claims long term damage.

585
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: Sorry, why was he throwing it? It's like there's like.

586
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: Ax throwing going on, you know. It's like like the

587
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: kind of hobby thing, and that he's just shit at

588
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: it because he sucks at everything, and he hits this drummer.

589
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: Boy, if you give an addict an axe.

590
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: You know, so funny, it's so funny.

591
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: God, did the drummer at least get a book deal?

592
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: No? No, I think there's a settlement probably, but no,

593
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: he doesn't get shit because again we don't as Americans. Look,

594
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: you celebrate the person who throws axes. Not the person

595
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: who's dumb enough to get hit by an axe because

596
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: they happen to be doing their job and don't expect

597
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: that the future Secretary of Defense will herald an axe

598
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: at them.

599
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: Wow, victim blaming our nation's great percussionists.

600
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: How can you? Yeah, I'm always look, you know, this

601
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: is the only time I'll be on Heckseth's side. But

602
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: if the other thing is a band kid.

603
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: I got okay, jealous jealous.

604
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: Anti band kid ass.

605
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: I pull up my obo case aarts shaking it.

606
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it was an obo.

607
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, away so high. No, he's Sophia. Unfortunately, he's right.

608
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: I need to take that. I need to take No, No,

609
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: you're right, you're right. I have to. Obo's are a

610
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 3: big bisexual indicator. Historically, it's just true history. That's just

611
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: that's history. Players sound off in the chest.

612
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: There we go, There we go. The ob obon nation

613
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: is going to fucking sound off.

614
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: Is literally I think it's like Oba playing the Obo

615
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 3: and like getting really into a series of unfortunate events

616
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: or major millennial Yeah, bisexual indicators. Who can say why?

617
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Who can say saying that?

618
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: Because those were your only off.

619
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: Of us Yeah, there's gonna be a whole thread in

620
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: the subreddit with like nine hundred replies about this.

621
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're unionizing as we speak.

622
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: Everybody who felt weird reading the series of Unfortunate Event

623
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: novels and yeah, played an obo or some kind of

624
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: read instrument.

625
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: So many crush options.

626
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: Wow. So his career at Fox goes a lot better

627
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: than his career leading you know, these organizations. He becomes

628
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: an official co host in January of twenty seventeen, just

629
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: as Trump begins his term, and he is able to

630
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: get this job because he starts having sex with Initially,

631
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: I think it's uh, I'm not sure. No, he would

632
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: have been divorced by now. Anyway, he wounds up, winds

633
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 2: up marrying the Fox producer Jennifer Roche keeps putting him

634
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: on the air, and I think she's his third wife,

635
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 2: maybe a second. He has three. He's been divorced like

636
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 2: three times. So great guy. Anyway, he hooks up with

637
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 2: this Fox producer who keeps putting him on the air,

638
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: and so he bounces around a few different shows he's

639
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: on regularly, and he kind of makes a point of

640
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: just taking whatever is the most radical take that will

641
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: learn him Trump's attention. It's just kind of like, I'm

642
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: going to be a shameless boot licker on Fox because

643
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: he watches Fox habitually, and so I want him to

644
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: see me repeatedly being nice to him, right, And he's

645
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 2: doing this to campaign to become the Secretary of Defense,

646
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: which he can't manage during Trump's first term because Trump

647
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: is still listening to a couple of adults a little

648
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: too much who are like, I don't know, the guy

649
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: who can't even run a fucking like in Goo without

650
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: spinning all of the money on hookers and blow probably

651
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: shouldn't be running the army. We have a lot more money.

652
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 3: There's a lot better you like, So there's far better

653
00:31:58,520 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: sex criminals to run.

654
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: Ye, Yeah, we can find you sex criminals. Don't worry, you.

655
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: Know, We're aware of what needs to happen.

656
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. So, as part of his ongoing attempt to

657
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: both identify himself with the ascendant Christian nationalist movement and

658
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: to force Trump to take note of him, in twenty twenty,

659
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: he publishes the book American Crusade, right, which is what

660
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the core of our episodes this

661
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: week are going to be about. So let's get into

662
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 2: that wonderful book. American Crusade a nice innocuous title, so

663
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: I suppose, first off, it's not surprising that this book

664
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: starts off with a dedication to his family and his

665
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: kids primarily. And his kids have his wives, really what

666
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: I hear from him? They have the names you'd expect.

667
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: You get a guess. Guess one of the names?

668
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, before we start, should we show Jamie the

669
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: fucking cover?

670
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's show Jamie the cover? Why not? Why not? Jimi?

671
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 2: You want to describe that to our listeners on who

672
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: are listening because of a podcast, and you should watch

673
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: it on video. Hello, video listeners, we love you.

674
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Speaker 3: We love you so much. Stop looking at.

675
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: Us, Stop looking at us, freaks.

676
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Speaker 3: I'm guessing, Okay, I love you. Guess Uh Chase Griffin,

677
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 3: uh Nathaniel.

678
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Speaker 2: Damn Jamie. No, No, that's a bunch of big big l's. Yeah. No,

679
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: first one which you should have gotten, Gunner, Okay.

680
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 3: You should Havener Gunner Gunner Obama and.

681
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: Gunner Jackson. Peter Boone. And that's the one he gives

682
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: two names for us. I'm guessing his first name is

683
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 2: Peter Boone. Kinsey, Luke, Rex and gwendolet and Little Nuke,

684
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: Little Nuke, Gunner and Rex are released, sending me, Wow, Gunner,

685
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: good stuff. Man, I'm surprised there's not a Hunter in there.

686
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hunter, that's okay, that that I might have gotten

687
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: to Hunter. This cover is is nuts. He can't be

688
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: his body. That's not his body.

689
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: He I mean, if he's on enough tested trend sure,

690
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's taken steroids.

691
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 3: You know. I'm really struggling with like the neck to

692
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: head ratio. Yes, that is.

693
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: His shopping going down there. You can see a big

694
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: WE the People tattoo on his forearm. He's like waving

695
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,959
Speaker 2: a flag. It's just like the dipshittiest cover.

696
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 3: The angle of the WE the People tattoo only makes

697
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: sense in the context of this picture. Like if he

698
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 3: if this that was normally the ankle it was at,

699
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: it would be crooked.

700
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: But that's what But but this is clearly AI, this

701
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: is this is this is not, this is this is

702
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 1: not this is not his body. But there's there's things

703
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: that we're done here.

704
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 3: But I appreciate that. I would love to see him

705
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: actually try to do this. At the top of it,

706
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: it says and quote peoples. No punches with this book, yeah,

707
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: Sean Hannity, Yeah, nice, No, it's always it's always fun

708
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: with this stuff because you're like, there's no way Sean

709
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: Hanndity wrote this book. But then in some ways there's

710
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: no way that Pete Hegseth wrote this book. Do you

711
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 3: think he could it was ghost written or do you

712
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: think you wrote it? Let's let's let's let Robert and

713
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: then he does.

714
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: Right, you know, he's got this editorial position. He definitely

715
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: writes some of it. I suspect it's a thing where

716
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 2: it gets like, you know, massaged by a real writer,

717
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of it that seems very Pete right.

718
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: In fact, the opening, after he lists his kids' names, uh,

719
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 2: he gives a quote from Theodore Roosevelt. Right, Every chapter

720
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: opens with a quote from a great American, usually Donald Trump,

721
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 2: but this one's Theodore Roosevelt. There is not room in

722
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: the country for any fifty to fifty American, nor can

723
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: there be but one loyalty to the stars and stripes, right,

724
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: which you know I might say that, well, if your

725
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: loyalty is to your weird interpretation of Christianity over the Constitution,

726
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, maybe You're not one hundred anyway. Whatever, That's

727
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: not how he sees it. So here's how the chapter opens,

728
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Our American Crusade. Chapter one, Take a moment to consider

729
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: your part in the miracle of the twenty sixteen election,

730
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: the history we made as sons and daughters of freedom.

731
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: For the left, that humiliating defeat strengthened their resolve to

732
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: achieve their ultimate goal, erasing America's soul, culture and institutions.

733
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: We are the ones standing in their way and have

734
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: been targeted for annihilation.

735
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Speaker 3: Wow. I like that he adds it a little bit.

736
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: He's like, on top of being a motherfucking piece of

737
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: he's also kind of bitchy. He's like, I'm praying for

738
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: my haters. I'm praying for all my haters on the left.

739
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's not praying for him.

740
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: He is.

741
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: This is a book about how we need to kill

742
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: the left. Right that is his and like every allegation

743
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: here is an admission. Right that Like, because he's constantly

744
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: talking the left wants to kill us all though, they

745
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: want to wipe us all out. That's why we have

746
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: to have total victory against them. Right, It's like it's this,

747
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: you know, they're as bad as we are, so we

748
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: have to do to them what we wanted to do

749
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: to him anyway. But we can pretend we're defending ourselves,

750
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: right right.

751
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're even worse. We got to get him first.

752
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. He goes out a claim that we the people,

753
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: we all feel that quote. The other side, the left

754
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,919
Speaker 2: is not our friend. We are not esteemed colleagues, nor

755
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: mere political opponents. And I think this part is valuable.

756
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: I think there's some of this that I really would

757
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: like to shove in the hands of, like especially a

758
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: lot of elected Democrats, because Hegseth very neatly sweeps away

759
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: the claims that are made by guys like Biden that like,

760
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: well there's good Republicans, we got to work with them.

761
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: You know, we need a strong Republican party. It's just

762
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: you know, some of this magas stuff. We got to

763
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: dust off it. But like, it's good to have strong

764
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: conservatives in government with us. And Hegseth is making the

765
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: point that no, like there's no conservatives that you can

766
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: trust because we the left, like we are not esteemed

767
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: colleagues and we're not political opponents. We want to destroy you.

768
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: You can't work with us. Right, and that's that is

769
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: the truth about modern conservatism, about the Republican Party. You

770
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: can't work with them, right, They've made it clear it

771
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: should be obvious, but a lot of Mainstreammocrats refuse to

772
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: fucking believe.

773
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're just so yeah. I mean, well,

774
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: best of luck with that project, because it feels like

775
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: if there's one thing mainstream Democrats aren't going to do,

776
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: it's read a direct threat against them and take it seriously.

777
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: Right, right, and there are direct threats in here. Hegxeth

778
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: goes on to say, we are foes. Either we win

779
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: or they win. We agree on nothing else. Okay, maybe

780
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: treat them like that, guys, you know that's what they're saying.

781
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: No, No, they just they we need to empathize, we

782
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: need empathy with you.

783
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm done with that. I was raised these guys.

784
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: I don't have empathy for me when I was this

785
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: kind of person, like I suck. So Pete goes on

786
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: to brag that the US has the top economy and military,

787
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 2: but that our cultural and educational institutions, America's soul have

788
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: succumbed to leftist rot and even a once in a

789
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: generation electoral miracle like twenty sixteen won't be enough to

790
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: save us, which is funny considering how twenty twenty four

791
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: went down. A lot of this book is like darkly

792
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 2: funny in light of the fact that they won in

793
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and lost in twenty twenty. So Pete

794
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: says that our future existence as sons and daughters of

795
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: freedom can only happen if after the quote categorical defeat

796
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 2: of the Left. Thus, this time in our history calls

797
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: for an all caps American crusade. Yes, a holy war

798
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: for the righteous cause of human freedom. Wow.

799
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: Title drops title mentioned t mentioned good stuff. I like

800
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: that to put it in caps, just in case it

801
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 3: wasn't clear.

802
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: You gotta put you gotta put it in caps. You

803
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: gotta put in caps.

804
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean the rhetoric is like, I guess kind of

805
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: what I would expect. Does he get specific? Is there?

806
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: Does he is? The book about the plan?

807
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 2: I mean kind of. Pete's not a great planning guy.

808
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: He's not a great knowing how he's you know, not

809
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: going to be a great war leader guy.

810
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: For that reason, one allocate one third of the budget

811
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Speaker 3: to parties for me.

812
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: There's some of that, but it's mainly about getting It's

813
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: mainly about like getting everybody like riled up for an

814
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: existential battle that he believes twenty twenty was going to be,

815
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,720
Speaker 2: right like this, this crusade of you know, it's trying

816
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: to get people on the side of extermination, right heg

817
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 2: Seth then directly cites the First Crusade as his example

818
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: of what we need to return to. He describes the

819
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: First Crusade as happening a thousand years ago. After years

820
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Speaker 2: of Christians, or of Europeans ceding land to Muslim hordes,

821
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 2: the Pope finally got around to declaring a crusade in

822
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Speaker 2: order to save Europe, and his nights march to war

823
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Speaker 2: under the cry Deus volt or God wills it. Now

824
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: I should interject here because Pete has a deis volt tattoo,

825
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: and this is a meaningful term on the far right

826
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: and the neo Nazi rite right to interject here. First off,

827
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: all of the history here is nonsense, right, Like his

828
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 2: history of the Crusades is not accurate. The Guardian interviewed pus.

829
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Speaker 3: My question, I was like this does this doesn't sound.

830
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: That that's we're gonna talk about that first?

831
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: Okay?

832
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: The Guardian interviewed Matthew Gabriel, who's a professor of medieval

833
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: studies at Virginia Tech, and he pointed out there were

834
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: absolutely no incursions to mainland Europe. If anything. Islam was

835
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: kind of on the retreat in Iberia and other places

836
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: as well, so there was no large geopolitical shift or

837
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: any kind of immediate threat of Islam taking over Europe

838
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: right like they were not, in fact on the defensive

839
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: when the crusade started.

840
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 3: Well, that doesn't sound good and it doesn't serve his point.

841
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: This is just another reminder that in mainstream publishing, fact

842
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: checking is not an allocated part of the budget.

843
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: No, it's not you got to do that's not crazy.

844
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: Today they don't give a shit anymore.

845
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 3: You got to pay out a pocket if you want

846
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: that shit.

847
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because there's no money and being accurate.

848
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 3: Yeh, books wouldn't sell as well.

849
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: So Pete is not at all alone in taking deis

850
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: vault on as a rallying cry. White supremacists have used

851
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: it as a catchphrase for years now, and he's mainly

852
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: noteworthy for being the most prominent political figure in the

853
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: country to do so. After the first Unite the Right

854
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: rally in Charlottesville, which is the first time many reporters

855
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: and regular Americans saw the phrase in use by Nazis

856
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 2: and other white supremacist marchers. Outlets like NPR published interviews

857
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: with experts like Medieval Academy of America had Lisa Davis,

858
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: who pointed out that Europe during the Crusade period was

859
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: not white, and that far right marchers at Charlottesville adorned

860
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: themselves with symbols like that of Saint Maurice, who was

861
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 2: regularly featured on Crusader livery and was himself an Egyptian man,

862
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: right that, like even a lot of these things that

863
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: they're like, we were all white, like this, this beautiful

864
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: saint that the Crusader's march under mother father was born

865
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: in Egypt, Like that is simply an African man.

866
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 3: Like insid. I mean, I'm like, is this just like

867
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 3: a group of I mean, obviously just brain dead people,

868
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 3: But like I think about how many older movies and

869
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: then also movies I grew up on that essentially portray

870
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 3: Egyptian people as white or at best Italian looking.

871
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: It's in part because like they're in Yeah, I mean,

872
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: one one reality of it is that everyone in the

873
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Mediterranean basin looks more Mediterranean than like they do anything else, right,

874
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: which you get right up to the like because there's

875
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: a lot of interchange between those cultures, right. And the

876
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: other thing is that at this period of time, whiteness

877
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: doesn't exist as a concept. Right, if you were to

878
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: go back, I think about it, go back to the

879
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: Roman Empire and tell them, like, this guy is not

880
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 2: as much of a person to you because of their

881
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: skin color. They'd be like, what are you talking about?

882
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: This guy's less of a person because he's not a

883
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 2: Roman like that what matters.

884
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: You're like, make no mistakes, is not a person to me,

885
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: but not for the reasons you've got.

886
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: For that reason, No, he's less human than me because

887
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: he was born in a different place.

888
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 3: It is fascinating watching, Yeah, just like how everything needs

889
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: to serve like his thesis and it really doesn't matter, just.

890
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: Doesn't None of it works out, And none of these

891
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: people actually know anything about the Crusades.

892
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 3: Right, And the problem is, yeah, like I'm glad that

893
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: there were like medieval scholars that like corrected the record,

894
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: but his followers don't care.

895
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: No, and it doesn't matter. I'm doing this in part

896
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: because like yeah, this is that's the kind of episode

897
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: that this is. Right when you go through this and

898
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, what's accurate? What's not? But like

899
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: this doesn't like no one listening to this was like

900
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: coming in as a pete hegseth fan because of the

901
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: crusade stuff, and it's going to be like Mike, he

902
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: was wrong. Like that's just not the way any.

903
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: Changes everything for me. I wonder if there's one person. Yeah.

904
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: Now, I should also note here that because he uses

905
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: deis volt, he's got a tattooed on his body because

906
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: he believes it was the rallying cry that crusaders marched

907
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 2: to war under during the First Crusade. This is very

908
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: likely to be untrue, right, This is actually the result

909
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: of propaganda that came later. Marburg historian George Strack has

910
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: pointed out to the Catholic News Agency that Pope Urban

911
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: the Second, who declared the First Crusade, never used the

912
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: phrase deis volt himself, and quote only one chronicle, that

913
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 2: of Robert the Monk, which was written around ten years

914
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: after the Pope's called a crusade at a synod in Clairemont, France,

915
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: quotes the exclamation at all Strak explained, the author was

916
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: aware from another chronicle that the Northern French crusaders used

917
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 2: deis volt as a war cry or a sign of

918
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: recognition among themselves. Robert's aim was to present the crusade

919
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 2: as a vine and papally led project, which is why

920
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: he claimed that Urban the second had heard the war

921
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: cry deis Vault and Claremont and approved of it. From

922
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: the historian's point of view, however, this is implausible. Even

923
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: Robert's medieval can temporaries would have placed little trust in

924
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: the chronicler. It was only under the humanists of the

925
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: fifteenth century that the monks rhetoric received favorable attention. Again,

926
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 2: they found Robert's chronicle plausible, and so the war cried

927
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: dais Fold was quoted very frequently from then on, and

928
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: soon the other reports about Urban's call from Claremont were forgotten,

929
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: says Strack. So this is probably propaganda from the beginning

930
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 2: that there's not much evidence of at the time, that

931
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: no one would have taken very seriously at the time

932
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: that five hundred years later, like you know, chuds adopt

933
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds Chuds.

934
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 3: Right, never trust a Robert. That's what I've never.

935
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: Trust to Robert. That's that's war of history, of historiography,

936
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: speaking of things that spew only lies. Just one of

937
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: our sponsors, the other sponsors completely trustworthy. One of our

938
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: sponsors tells nothing but lies, and we won't tell you which.

939
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: You know who you are, You know who you are.

940
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 3: Place your bets. It's gonna be your fucking sports better yet.

941
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the sports betting people are honest. Right, you'll

942
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: go broke, But they're honest.

943
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 3: They're like, but you'll have a great time doing it.

944
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: You'll have a great time doing it. We'll really tickle

945
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: those dopamine receptors. We've made it as addictive as drugs.

946
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: H drugs. Jesus, Robert, what we're back. So for the

947
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,320
Speaker 2: sake of morale, it might be good for us to

948
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: recall here that the Crusades were not successes in the

949
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: traditional military sense of the word. The First Crusade did

950
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: have some initial victories and resulted in temporary Christian control

951
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: of parts of the Holy Land, but this did not

952
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: last long. By eleven eighty seven, less than one hundred years,

953
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: the great general Saladin had surrounded Jerusalem. Right the long

954
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: train of disasters for organized Christian militaries during the crusades

955
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: led to a surgeon support from maniac cult leaders like

956
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: Peter the Hermit, who gathered an army of starving hermits

957
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 2: to march on the Holy Land. Andrew Curry writes quote

958
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: Peter's success was cited over and over again in the

959
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: years to come. The defeat suffered by better or organized

960
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: crusades led many to believe that it was the humble

961
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: who were destined to succeed, not the proud, rich military classes.

962
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: In the end, these people's crusades ended in disaster too.

963
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: None ever reached the Holy Land, and most of the

964
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: peasant crusaders were either slaughtered as they plundered their way

965
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: across Europe or disbanded before ever reaching a port. Without

966
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 2: the resources to reach the Holy Land, most turned on

967
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: more conventional targets, namely Europe's Jewish communities. Why are we

968
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: going to seek out our profanity and to take vengeance

969
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: on the ishmae lights for our Messiah when here are

970
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: the Jews who murdered and crucified him, was the rationale,

971
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: as recorded by a Jewish eyewitness. Again, most of the

972
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: a large chunk of the real crusaders, and even Crusade.

973
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: They just went and murdered juice right in Europe.

974
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, do we think yeah, Pete Hegseth knows

975
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: any of this. No, I don't think he really reads much,

976
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: genuinely curious.

977
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: I don't think it would matter. He would just wouldn't

978
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: trust any account you told him if it's different from

979
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: what he already believes.

980
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: Right, that's I mean, I didn't. I don't know this

981
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 3: about the Crusades. I'm not. I gotta say I'm not

982
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 3: a crusade's head.

983
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 2: Well, the gist of it, and this is a quote

984
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: from medieval studies professor Matthew Gabriel, the Crusaders lost, they

985
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: lost everything.

986
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 3: An American crusade not a bad an idea.

987
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: Watch the documentary Kingdom of Heaven for more still holds

988
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: up banger of a film. So again, none of this

989
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: stuff works as a gotcha, Right, you're not going to

990
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: convince anyone to change their politics. But being like, actually

991
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: the Crusades sucked, right, But I do think it's valuable

992
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: to look at this history for our own like edification

993
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: is a reminder that this too shall pass, and that

994
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: these kinds of people never managed to win the way

995
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: they think they will in the long run because they

996
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 2: suck itt shit. But also the mere fact that they've

997
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: doomed themselves doesn't mean that they won't cause even more

998
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: suffering in their failures. Right. Those people's crusades were all disasters,

999
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: but a lot of Jewish communities suffered as a result. Right, anyway,

1000
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: let's continue with Pete. He goes from the Crusades to

1001
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 2: the American Revolution, probably the only periods in history that

1002
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 2: he's taken a passing interest in. He notes that like

1003
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 2: crusaders and patriots passed, the red maga hat is a

1004
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: symbol for the need for violent action to secure liberty.

1005
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: Only by going on offense against a left that surrounds them.

1006
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: Conservatives survive. Now, the fact that this is written in

1007
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: the run up to twenty twenty, and the fact that

1008
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: that election went against them should say a few things

1009
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 2: to you. Right. We know now this was not the

1010
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: decisive or the last battle, but Hegseth writes as if

1011
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: it was, and that the left would cause total annihilation

1012
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: if they won in twenty twenty. He notes that while

1013
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: there are millions of patriots, the country also houses hordes

1014
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 2: of people who don't share their allegiance and that their

1015
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 2: ignorance and ideologies threaten national survival. Okay, so yeah, again,

1016
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: like the language here is very unsparing, and this is

1017
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: how most of them think. You can't. Again, it's just

1018
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 2: a important that Democrats understand you can't talk it out

1019
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: with someone like this. They're not willing to talk to.

1020
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,799
Speaker 3: You, right, And I mean that's like they're that's their

1021
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: whole thing. It is interesting anytime you hear I mean,

1022
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: I guess you hear it basically every day now, but

1023
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: over time, I think in the last ten years where

1024
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 3: you just hear the US versus them in an increasingly

1025
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: upward line. Did the point where he's just like straightforwardly

1026
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: saying they're like, the people who agree with me are Americans? Yeah,

1027
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: they don't, aren't. Yeah, yeah, which is like, I mean,

1028
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 3: continued to Yeah.

1029
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: So the next section of his book is about the

1030
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: two Americas, which he describes as America and the Left,

1031
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 2: and in order to highlight this, he gives us the

1032
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: story of two different immigrants, both named Omar Samara. Omar

1033
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: who is in Iraqi who fought with Hegzeth. He was

1034
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 2: an interpreter after the US invasion and later immigrated to

1035
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 2: the US legally. The other Omar is, of course illan Omar,

1036
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: who he calls the Omar.

1037
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: Oh, we're out of it.

1038
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's this is I mean, this is like

1039
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: peak Illin Omar brainworms period twenty twenty. Not that it's

1040
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: much less now.

1041
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: I feel like it's still got worse.

1042
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: It's still pretty bad. It's still bad. Like it's just

1043
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 2: there's it's more of a topic of discussion. I guess, yeah, okay,

1044
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: maybe just just this way.

1045
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 3: Lord, it's nuts.

1046
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: His attitude is the common one you'll see on the right,

1047
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 2: that Illin was graciously led into this country and has

1048
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: done nothing but spit in its face. I don't think

1049
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: we really need to deal with this point, save to

1050
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: note that even in the America of twenty twenty five,

1051
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 2: even someone like Pete's you know, interpreter Omar, who fought

1052
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: alongside US soldiers, aren't qualified to stay here. Earlier this year,

1053
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: the United States revoked special status to Afghan people who

1054
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: helped the United States and its war against the Taliban. PERMSNBC,

1055
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: the Trump administration told them, quote that they've got to

1056
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: self deport by May twentieth back to a Taliban controlled

1057
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: Afghanistan if America can't honor its word to those who

1058
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 2: bled for it. A retired US colonel told me, why

1059
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: would anyone trust us? Again, this isn't just immigration policy.

1060
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 2: It's a test of our moral credibility, and we're failing now, Jamie. Yes,

1061
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: I've seen the US in enough war zones and talk

1062
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: to enough people who believed in our promises to them

1063
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: when they fought alongside us that I can say there's

1064
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: no point in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone

1065
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 2: listening to the show in which we had moral credibility

1066
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: or we're trustworthy friends. Right, It's like we're also recording

1067
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: this period of time you're talking about.

1068
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: We're also recording this at a time of where again,

1069
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 3: like both of his examples are people who could just

1070
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 3: get plucked off of the street and kidnapped by ice,

1071
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: Like the citizenship has nothing to do with it.

1072
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: Well, again, that's part of what's interesting about the timing

1073
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: this comes in is that in twenty twenty as even

1074
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: as like a Pete Haig Seth Republican, you still had

1075
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: to pretend that you were like okay with multiculturalism as

1076
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: long as they were pro American, Right that like, no,

1077
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: this Iraqi interpretive. Mine is a great American. He's fully integrated. Right,

1078
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: he gets to stay here because he did all the

1079
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: right things and as soon as they got into power, like, oh,

1080
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: actually no, we don't give a shit. All that matters

1081
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: is your skin color, right, Like that's and that's the

1082
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: reality right under the regime that has given Pete Hegseth power.

1083
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: But he spends a lot of his book talking about

1084
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: the Omar who fought with him, who he calls Texas

1085
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: Omar now because he successfully immigrated to the and integrated

1086
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: into the Houston suburbs. So we should talk a little

1087
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 2: bit here about Pete Hegseth's wartime experiences in Samara, which

1088
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 2: is less than about a hunt. I think it's like

1089
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: eighty miles or something northwest of Baghdad. At age twenty six,

1090
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: Pete was a lieutenant in the Army and National Guard

1091
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: when he joined the one hundred and first third Brigade

1092
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: Combat Team. He was deployed in two thousand and five.

1093
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: Prior to this, heg Seth had experienced which you might

1094
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 2: call an atypical Global War on Terror career. Again, he

1095
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: graduated from Princeton, he'd started working at Bear Stearns, and

1096
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 2: you know, the same time he'd got in a position

1097
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: with the doomed finance company. He enlisted in the National Guard,

1098
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 2: and he was first deployed after nine to eleven to

1099
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: Guantanamo Bay, before coming back and working in finance for

1100
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: a while and then volunteering to fight in Iraq, where

1101
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: he became a tune leader. He seems to have served

1102
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: like functionally, did the job reasonably. Well. There's not like shocking,

1103
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, shocking reports or anything on it. He was

1104
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: kept away from liquor. Probably I s.

1105
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 3: Wood to say. I was like, what, why did he

1106
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 3: do that job competently?

1107
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: Although he hadn't really kept drinking it started drinking heavily.

1108
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: At this point, right, because that was after he got back.

1109
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 2: Okay, And there's a there's an interesting Washington Post article

1110
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 2: that quotes one of his fellow officers who was active duty.

1111
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: He was like, I was actually surprised to see a

1112
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: National Guard guy doing the things heg Seth was doing.

1113
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 2: And I just assumed that it was because he was

1114
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: planning for a political career and thought a combat tour

1115
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 2: would help. Right. Yeah, And you run into you if

1116
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: you've known people who were in like If you know

1117
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: enough military guys, they all have stories of like Yet

1118
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: his guy was definitely doing it because he was trying

1119
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 2: to like set up a career later down the line

1120
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 2: and wanted, you know, a combat action badge or something.

1121
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: It's like seeing an influencer at a volunteer event. I'm

1122
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 3: sure interesting.

1123
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: So I'm going to quote from the Post's article here.

1124
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 2: Charlie Company, numbering about a hunt ThReD and forty men,

1125
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: was considered the brigade's most aggressive unit, engaging threats with

1126
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: a bravado that would later draw scrutiny from senior leaders,

1127
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: said people familiar with the deployment. As recounted by The

1128
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: New Yorker in two thousand and nine, Charlie Company was

1129
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 2: nicknamed Kill Company and maintained a whiteboard listing confirmed kills,

1130
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 2: including civilians, that each platoon had notched. The former officer,

1131
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 2: who served in another company within the battalion said the

1132
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: behavior exhibited by Hegsat's Infantry company was viewed as a

1133
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 2: little bit strange by those on the outside. We joked

1134
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 2: sometimes that they were on their own crusade down there.

1135
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 3: Great stuff, okay, great stuff, good lord, Okay.

1136
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: Now what's interesting is when The New Yorker reports in

1137
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: this initially, Hegseth would claim that I actually complained about

1138
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 2: how aggressive we were to our company commander and its

1139
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: specifically that he complained about how they were ordered to

1140
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 2: have their weapons ready when they were entering targeted buildings

1141
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 2: because he believed that basically having fingers on the trigger

1142
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: would lead to higher civilian casualties, and that after making

1143
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: these complaints he was reassigned. I don't know how true

1144
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: this is, right, I looved That's something he made up

1145
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 2: when he thought it would sound better.

1146
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, When was that interview conducted.

1147
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: I was like two thousand and nine that I knew.

1148
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: I wonder how I yeah today, so he.

1149
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: Wouldn't claim it at least, right, Yeah, But his old

1150
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 2: unit remained in the field after he got transferred, and

1151
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: as the insurgency hit a new peak of violence. They

1152
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: wound up as part of a raid on an island

1153
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: believed to be a training center for Abu Musabl's or

1154
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: Kawi's Aqy or al Qaida in Iraq. This is like

1155
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: the precursor organization to ISIS. A number of civilians are

1156
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: massacred during this attack. The soldiers who killed them claim

1157
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: initially that they're all military aged males, which is a

1158
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 2: term for we shot some fucking teenager, but like, look,

1159
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: he's pretty big. An army investigation revealed that the civilians

1160
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: had been detained and executed well detained, and that the

1161
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: killings had been covered up. Two soldiers ultimately pled guilty

1162
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: to murder and related charges and received eighteen year sentences.

1163
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: One soldier who testified was sentenced to nine months, and

1164
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 2: another who didn't was convicted of negligent homicide, which was

1165
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: overturned on appeal. Now there is speculation that heg Seth

1166
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: has since seized upon the issue of US troops being

1167
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: tried for war crimes. As a result of this, and

1168
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: for the entirety of his time in the political spotlight,

1169
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: he has since backed prosecuted soldiers, including war criminal Navy

1170
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: Seal Eddie Gallagher, claiming the rules of war unfairly tie

1171
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: the hands of men in the field. That Washington Post article,

1172
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: which interviewed a number of his colleagues, ends on this note.

1173
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: The former Army officer who served with Hegxeth in Iraq

1174
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: said he believes he has latched onto populous scenarios in

1175
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: a quest for personal gain. When news of Hegseth's potential

1176
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 2: nomination emerged, old acquaintances from those days got back in

1177
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: touch with one another, the former officer said. One text

1178
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: he received especially stood out. All it said was WTF

1179
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 2: question Mark, Yeah, stuff, all right, stuff.

1180
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 3: It's everything that leads to horrific war crimes in the

1181
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 3: modern age are deeply embarrassing, Like just really really lazy texting.

1182
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 3: And also the fact that in between his stints in

1183
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: the service that he found time time to work at

1184
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: bear Stearns, he found a little bit of time to

1185
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: the American economy. Like it's just it's you know, what

1186
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 3: a what a multi high phenate really, yeah, I mean

1187
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 3: this in your review, I mean this just seems like

1188
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 3: he's slowly, you know, working behind the scenes to justify

1189
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 3: civilian deaths so that he can ideally escalate to the job.

1190
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 3: He is now killing civilians with no consequences for anyone.

1191
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so okay. The next chapter of this book,

1192
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: he compares, spent several pages comparing different statements by Illin

1193
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: Omar and his buddy Texas Omar in order to talk

1194
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: about how much it Illin hates the United States. One

1195
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: of his points is that his friend describes US helicopters

1196
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: as looking like angels because at one point he was

1197
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: under fire and he got rescued by a helicopter. And

1198
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: Illin describes them as looking like the devil because she

1199
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: was a civilian in Somalia and saw US helicopters kill civilians. Oh, like,

1200
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 2: no civilians were killed by Americans in the Battle of

1201
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: Mogadishu in nineteen ninety three, right, she describes as a

1202
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: heroic defensive action by US forces, And the reality is uglier. Well,

1203
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: we don't have perfect accounts for how many civilians died

1204
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: in the fighting. It was between three hundred and seven

1205
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: hundred people who died total, and at least two to

1206
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: three hundred of those were civilians. Right, And I'll personally

1207
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: note I have watched an Apache helicopter destroyed, like basically

1208
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 2: murder an apartment building, and yeah, it looks like the devil.

1209
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen one of those things empty its

1210
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: entire payload? It's a fucking nightmare. It's very cherry.

1211
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 3: Yes, objectively, I mean it's like, not only is it

1212
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 3: obviously racist to have this like weird chart of two

1213
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 3: people with the same last name, but like to just

1214
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 3: present it with a total void of context. He just

1215
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 3: like doesn't even understand how war works that you'd be

1216
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 3: terrified of.

1217
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: The thing not on your side that is very deadly.

1218
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're killing people around you, Okay, okay.

1219
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: It's one of those things like yeah, man, if you're

1220
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: like I get it, if you're completely surrounded by the

1221
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 2: enemy and then a chopper comes in and blows them

1222
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,959
Speaker 2: all away, you'd be like that thing ripped. That think's cool.

1223
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: But people have just had experiences with helicopters, you know,

1224
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: like depending on whether or not they're being shot at

1225
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: by them.

1226
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: Not to come down too hard on the other, Omar,

1227
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: but like weird to call a helicopter at angel as

1228
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 3: it is.

1229
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I don't know. Again, we

1230
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: don't actually ever get to talk with that Omar. I

1231
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 2: haven't found any articles interviewing him. He doesn't like I've

1232
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 2: googled around trying to find anyone who talked to this guy.

1233
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: We only have Pete's recollection of him.

1234
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 3: How much do you want to met he bet he

1235
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 3: made up a guy.

1236
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. He certainly if he's real, there's no

1237
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: way he's going to talk out and like correct the record.

1238
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: If Pete digit because then they'll get.

1239
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: Deported, right, yeah, stays far away from.

1240
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't And the important part

1241
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 2: is that Pete does not bring in this Omar as

1242
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: a real person with a real story. He brings him

1243
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: in as a foil to his created image of a

1244
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 2: social justice warrior who never had to fight for anything. Right.

1245
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: Such people, he argues, take advantage of fifty to fifty

1246
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: Americans who lack grittiness and historical perspective. He describes these people,

1247
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 2: So you've got the evil leftists and they take advantage

1248
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 2: of these kind of like milk toast fifty to fifty

1249
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: Americans who call squishies right for their lack of rulingness.

1250
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: Does they call them Squishyes, because they're not willing to

1251
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 2: fight because they're not racist and violent, right, Like, they're

1252
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 2: too squishy, they're too they're not willing to kill the

1253
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 2: left right, they think we can coexist.

1254
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

1255
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: It's him talking about like conservatives who are not like

1256
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: outright fascists, right that those are the squishies. Okay, so

1257
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 2: it's cool, it's good stuff.

1258
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 3: Okay, Sorry, apologies to the squishies. I love you guys.

1259
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, squishies. Yeah, great stuff. And it's interesting, you know

1260
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: the thing he's trying to do here, because he has

1261
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 2: a whole bit in this about how like the people

1262
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: don't like to see themselves as political and that's a

1263
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 2: problem because like we're in a political war. His whole

1264
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: thing is he's trying he has to convince these people that, like,

1265
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: you need to become political in order to embrace the

1266
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 2: politics of defensive annihilation against the left. Right, and the

1267
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: left is everything but Trump, you know, Like that's what

1268
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: he's trying to convince these these like moderate Republicans to do. Quote.

1269
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 2: For me, awakening has been a progression over many years,

1270
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: informed by multiple iterations of learning and mostly failure. First

1271
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 2: I had to get informed. Then I denied the magnitude

1272
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: of the leftist problem. Next, being idealistic, even new to

1273
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: the political arena, I played within the confines of the

1274
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: status quo. Now, as I have some worldly success in

1275
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: a large family, protecting my nest is tempting, I understand

1276
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 2: what is required of one hundred percent American. The sacrifice,

1277
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: the struggle, the uncertainty, like the uncertainty of stealing from

1278
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: two different veterans organizations to get drunk, yes, the uncertainty

1279
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 2: of playing grab ass with all your secretaries, yes, sacrifice.

1280
01:02:56,360 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, separating your employees by party and not party there. Look,

1281
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 3: these are the things ultimately that are going to protect Gunner.

1282
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 3: Heg seth.

1283
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. These are who's finally finally Yes, Okay, we in

1284
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,479
Speaker 2: the introduction the first chapter with a call to arms

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Speaker 2: and follow it chapter that's chapter one, baby, and we

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Speaker 2: follow it with two more quotes. These are both from

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and I find them funnier than I should.

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Speaker 2: Quote one, You're a sleez candidate Donald Trump to a

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Speaker 2: reporter from ABC News twenty sixteen. You're a warrior, Pete,

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Speaker 2: A fucking warrior, President Donald Trump, November twenty nineteen. What

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Speaker 2: are those Why are those together? Why is it like?

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Speaker 2: Why are you contracted? It's just contrasting him shit, talking

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Speaker 2: ABC to him, saying nice things to him.

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Speaker 3: He's telling a story.

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Speaker 1: It's just so cool.

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Speaker 2: It's like, wow, okay, Pete, we're all very impressed.

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Speaker 3: As warrior is to me a smiley face.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well we'll we'll talk about the next chapter.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's probably time to end Part one

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Speaker 2: Jamie Coftus. Yeah, yeah, Donna plug anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my book Rod Dog, The Naked Truth about hot

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Speaker 3: Dogs just came out and Pickerback and I just released

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Speaker 3: a I just did an audio book for the one

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Speaker 3: and only Chuck Tingle.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: We're donating all of the proceeds to the LA the

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Speaker 3: LA Street Vendors Fund, because in LA, they're kidnapping is

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Speaker 3: is kidnapping people off the streets. So we're raising money to,

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Speaker 3: you know, help street vendors stay in while maintaining their living.

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Speaker 3: The name of the audio book is this lesbian hot

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Speaker 3: Dog gets Me off. Also she is a doctor. Also

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Speaker 3: she's vegan.

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Speaker 2: Uh wow, that's a title. That's so much better than

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Speaker 2: American Crusade. And it's a.

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Speaker 3: Story is a tale. So if you want to listen

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Speaker 3: to that, donate five books to the Street Vendors Fund.

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Speaker 3: If if you don't want to listen to that, if

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Speaker 3: you don't want to listen to me, read Chuck Tingle

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Speaker 3: Hot Dogs Mount. You're wrong, but you should don't.

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Speaker 2: You're wrong and a bad person. Let's just say it, Jamie.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say it. You're a bad person. And God

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Speaker 2: will not recognize you on the day of judgment.

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Speaker 3: You won't know your faith to not listen to this

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Speaker 3: lesbian hot dog gets me off. Also she's a doctor.

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Speaker 3: Also she's vegan. Is not just homophobic, it's anti women

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Speaker 3: and stems. Really think about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, well this is good. Yeah, plug's done. Go

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Speaker 2: to hell everyone, I love you, Love you do.

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