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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 4: Everything from reality TV scandals to the crimes committed behind

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Speaker 4: Carlos and I will bring you the tea surrounding hot

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Speaker 4: topic crime stories involving all of your favorite reality TV personalities.

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Speaker 1: And if today's story taught us anything, child, is that

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Speaker 1: in this world the tea is never just hot, it's criminal.

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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Reality Crime Stories, Courney Parker and

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Speaker 1: I are going to dive into the Tommy Manzo Paine

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Speaker 1: as it relates to his ex wife, Dina Manzo and

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Speaker 1: why he was found guilty and have to serve subven

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Speaker 1: years in prison, as federal prosecutors say that Tommy hired

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Speaker 1: a mind family to carry out a violent home invasion

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Speaker 1: and assault on Dina and her now husband David. So, Courtney,

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Speaker 1: you have a friend who's also a judge that is

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Speaker 1: going to help us break down this particular case.

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Speaker 4: Tearmy Gundy is a personal friend of mine. She is

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Speaker 4: an author, she is a sitting judge in Atlanta, and

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Speaker 4: just an overall good friend of mine and just an

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Speaker 2: All right, well let's break it the High Judge.

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Speaker 3: How are you, hey, Carlow, Hey, Courtney, Hey, how are

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Speaker 3: you guys? We are doing wonderful. Are you all ready

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Speaker 3: to talk about mob ties and Jersey lives?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we absolutely have to, so listen. Full disclosure, I

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Speaker 1: Real House Washing New Jersey. My talent that I was

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Speaker 1: responsible for was Teresa Judais and Dina Manzo, who was

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Speaker 1: Manziel at the time she was married to Tommy.

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Speaker 2: Which the interesting thing about all of this.

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Speaker 1: Is we had two women who are sisters, Dina and Caroline,

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Speaker 1: that were married to brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so two sisters.

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Speaker 1: I mean a set of sisters married to a set

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Speaker 2: So Tommy Manzel is the brother.

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Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly exactly, that's what it's given.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting. What's what's interesting is Tommy Manzel never signed.

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Speaker 5: A release to appear on the show, which is unheard

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Speaker 5: in the Housewives, I guys, and this is season one

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Speaker 1: I would be around him sometimes he avoided the cameras.

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Speaker 1: We will be at their home, he will avoid the home.

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Speaker 1: The following season, Dina decided to walk away from the show,

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Speaker 1: and I believe during that time too, is when she

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Speaker 1: was on the verge of divorcing Tommy. I had a

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Speaker 3: I'll know about his case. I'm sure it makes more

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Speaker 3: sense to you why he refused to sign the release,

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Speaker 1: Well, now it's starting to make sense. So Judge, I

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Speaker 1: do have this question for you. Can you explain to

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Speaker 1: us exactly what occurred, because Tommy Manzeau hired mob people

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Speaker 2: For what though?

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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing, Like, what was the

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Speaker 3: Well, we can't speak for the state of mind of him,

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Speaker 3: of course, right, but what we can talk about is

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Speaker 3: from the Lukesey family. And everybody, if you've ever watched

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Speaker 3: there's a family reference to him and the Godfather and

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Speaker 3: And he hired one of their soldiers basically to intimidate

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Speaker 2: Not to stop you just here and he so that

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Speaker 1: So my my rainows are listening are Bravo aholics, Bravo

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Speaker 1: you know fanatics as well. So the Brownstone is the

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Speaker 1: Mansoh family catering facility Rangejos remember.

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Speaker 3: Yoh wow. So he's used the family business to contract

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Speaker 3: this violence against her, right right. That is how we

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Speaker 3: why the federal government even if and you have to understand,

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Speaker 3: and let's let's clear this up. Even though we're talking

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Speaker 3: about the housewives, you're not on social media, you are

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Speaker 3: not in America, and you haven't heard of the record

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Speaker 3: heering case against Sean Puffy Combe's or Jesse Young Thug Williams.

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Speaker 3: So many young people don't realize that racketeering. They have

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Speaker 3: associated that with Young Thug and Sean Tolms. But racketeering

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Speaker 3: originated with the mafia. It was originally actually passed so

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Speaker 3: that they could get and prosecute members of the mob. Wow,

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Speaker 3: which is how they got to the conspiracy and anything

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Speaker 3: that you do in the act of a criminal act.

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Speaker 3: That's because it was ever think that catering a waging

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Speaker 3: is criminal, right, But if just your payment to a

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Speaker 3: my soldier, now it's a part of the criminal conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: Got it?

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Speaker 4: Let me ask a question because this is sounding like

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Speaker 4: one of my favorite episodes of the Sopranos.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to the Sopranos.

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Speaker 4: But when we were going through the exactly when we

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Speaker 4: prepared for this, you made a correction that a lot

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Speaker 4: The indictment didn't come with a clear agreement. Can you

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Speaker 3: Might even have yes, yes, So I heard Carlows when

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Speaker 3: he spoke and introduced the case. He said he took

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Speaker 3: enter into a plea of guilty, then this will be

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Speaker 3: your sentence. That's not what happened in this case. In

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Speaker 3: legal system. This is the Justice Department, this is federal law,

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Speaker 3: the federal law in trials have a greater than ninety

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Speaker 3: nine percent success rate. Wow, that means that less than

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Speaker 3: one percent are quitted. But I think what happened in

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Speaker 3: this case again is because he is not an actual

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Speaker 3: not a member of the mob of the mob. But

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Speaker 3: the prosecutors were clear in this case. They wanted to

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Speaker 3: anyone who was going to conspile with them that if

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Speaker 3: criminal activity, you will be held accountable for a conspiracy

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Speaker 3: under the Rico Act, under the Vicar Act.

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Speaker 1: So I have a question for you, because I never

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Speaker 1: watched the Sopranos. I I know, judge me later, I know,

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Speaker 1: just mey later, Rain Josh, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: You know you watch the Wire. Oh, okay, that is

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Speaker 3: a problem.

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Speaker 2: No, guess what I have watched now.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Housewives of New Jersey, the Power Universe,

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Speaker 1: on Stars.

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Speaker 3: It's not the same, it's not the same.

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Speaker 4: Disrespectful to them.

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Speaker 2: I don't judge. I'm sorry, don't book my black bart.

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Speaker 3: But what I will say, don't judge me.

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Speaker 4: But you're being judged by the judge.

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Speaker 3: And I'm the jury. So no, okay, but we'll deal

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry, Okay, we'll deal with that later.

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Speaker 2: You're right, But I do have a question. Can you

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Speaker 1: Those who have never heard, uh is the lu Casey family?

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Speaker 2: Is that how you pronounce the name family?

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Speaker 3: It's lue Casey.

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Speaker 2: Explain to us who the lu Casey family is.

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Speaker 3: So the Luca case family is one of the five

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Speaker 3: And they have had their hands in almost any illegal

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Speaker 3: But the government basically said, that's fine. You think that

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Speaker 3: to prosecute you whether you are a member of a

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Speaker 3: I don't want to, you know, talk about his exact age,

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Speaker 3: but he's over fifty years oh, you know, so at

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Speaker 3: fifty years old, you have more years behind you than

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Speaker 3: said that when I was growing up is seven years

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Speaker 3: may not seem like a long time to you, especially

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Speaker 3: that's a long time.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that has been plaguing social media

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Speaker 4: right now is the strain between Dina and Caroline because

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Speaker 4: Caroline allegedly wrote a letter, a character letter on behalf

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Speaker 4: of her then brother in law that went against her

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Speaker 3: What does that say? In your opinions? Guys?

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Speaker 4: What does that say when your own sister kind of

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can, I can talk about these sort of

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Speaker 1: So my question for you is this, though, judge, if

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Speaker 4: Do you think that's also why Dina has been responding

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Speaker 3: But you also made decisions where you do not put

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Speaker 1: Right saying yeah, because listen, I work with Dina. Dina

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Speaker 2: But it breaks my heart to know how viciously she

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Speaker 1: And the idea of you walking to your home with

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Speaker 3: So I don't know the specifics of the case. From

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Speaker 3: And so the federal government is very good at paper trails,

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Speaker 3: Do we feel like seven years.

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Speaker 1: Well, judge, thank you so much for taking time out

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Speaker 1: of things, because again, I know these people. I'm away

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Speaker 1: at what occurred. I wasn't fully privy to a lot

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Speaker 1: of the particulars of this case, Dina, Like I said.

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Speaker 3: To you for humanizing this, because you know that you

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Speaker 3: to them to make this real, because sometimes people look

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Speaker 3: kudos to you in Courtney for bringing light to this

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Speaker 3: to make sure people understand this was a real crime

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Speaker 3: and it was real trauma that forever changed her life,

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Speaker 3: and he and his right and.

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Speaker 2: His Yeah, so no, so thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: And listen, I know you're busy doing the Lord's work,

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Speaker 1: but I would love to invite you back for a

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Speaker 1: future episode because as you are excellent and again as

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Speaker 1: a TV producer, you know, I think you have a

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Speaker 3: Well, I I believe the community. It is a part,

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Speaker 3: as you say, of my Lord's work. I've wanted to

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Speaker 3: I always go whenever anybody invites me to talk about

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Speaker 3: justice system is education, and the more we educate people

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Speaker 3: about their rights about how the system works, the better

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Speaker 3: it works. So I cannot thank you enough. My friend

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Speaker 3: Courtney of course always thinks of me, but I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you and your comments and having me.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, and we're still going to judge, good judge

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Speaker 4: until he watches the Sopranos and.

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Speaker 3: The Wire say the wire first. There we go, There

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Speaker 3: you go.

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Speaker 2: I got my marching artist. Thank you, ladies so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and rang Jos will see you in

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Speaker 1: the next episode of Reality and Crime Stories with Pritty

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Speaker 1: Parker and Carlos King.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

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Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

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Speaker 2: With the Lack Effect Network.

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Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

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