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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 3: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 3: be happy.

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Speaker 4: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Edo State is that? Whoo whoom and Dan and tie

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein forty three forty one in triple overtime. USC

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Speaker 1: prevails for Arizona this game late late as we were

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Speaker 1: recording the podcast. The recap episode you can go back

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Speaker 1: and listen to this one ended shortly after we hit

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Speaker 1: the stop button. We were all on pins and needles

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Speaker 1: watching to see how it would end. USC at home

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Speaker 1: no less, perhaps in a look ahead spot, getting a

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Speaker 1: big win over Arizona, but perhaps raises some questions, some

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Speaker 1: of which we may address today.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I appreciate you just jumping into this,

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Speaker 3: this cold plunge of a game talking about USC. I'm Dan,

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Speaker 3: that's tie. Yes, USC was able to win. Always win

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Speaker 3: your clunkers, right, Miami, Always win your clunkers at the

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Speaker 3: end of games when it comes to very specific situations USC.

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Speaker 3: When it's clunker. Now it's getting progressively clunkier for USC,

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Speaker 3: first letting Colorado back in the game and then of

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Speaker 3: course falling behind like they did against Arizona seventeen nothing

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Speaker 3: looking much stronger, especially on defense. By the way, in

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Speaker 3: that second half against Arizona, let's give credit where it's due.

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Speaker 3: They tightened up on defense fully not prepared for what

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Speaker 3: then look, by this time, you know what happened. You

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Speaker 3: Triple overtime being where they just exchanged two point conversions

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Speaker 3: is where US was able to prevail when they got

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Speaker 3: a stop on a pitch play from Arizona one. You

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Speaker 3: didn't watch this game in its entirety live because we

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Speaker 3: It was an unbelievable watch. I saw the score, I

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Speaker 3: saw that it was coming down to it. I was like,

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Speaker 3: all right, I'll see if USC can close this out.

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Speaker 3: They should be able to. And then I saw that

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Speaker 3: it was why he was going to overtime. How it

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Speaker 3: wrapped up our video work and then was about to

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Speaker 3: go to sleep and said, you know what, I've got

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Speaker 3: YouTube TV. Not a sponsor?

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Speaker 4: Could be?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not?

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Speaker 3: After you trashed them last week on our recap show.

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Speaker 2: What not?

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Speaker 1: A sponsor? Probably won't be?

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Speaker 3: Probably won't be. I bring up my phone to bed

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Speaker 3: Jody with and I has been sleeping for hours. I

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Speaker 3: get into bed with the game playing with the dulcet

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Speaker 3: tones of I believe Dave Fleming and Brock Osweiler on

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Speaker 3: the Fall, so I welcome those two gentlemen into my bed.

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Speaker 3: Jody wasn't super thrilled, and I was just get weird.

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Speaker 3: And that's how I experienced USC eventually winning the game,

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Speaker 3: especially after Arizona and count me in on team proponent

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Speaker 3: of you're a huge underdog on the road and have

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to win from two yards out, go for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just prolonging a loss in too many cases

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Speaker 3: Man, awesome, m it would be super cool to run

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Speaker 3: like Wildcat Special whatever they're gonna call their version of Phillies.

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Speaker 3: That's that was what annoyed me about the end of

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Speaker 3: about both of these teams. I agree, Yeah, this was

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Speaker 1: Arizona out gained USC five oh six to three sixty five.

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Speaker 1: whether or not we think they are better. That is

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Speaker 1: my burning question, Dan, and not just about USC. But

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Speaker 3: think that's a fair question. Okay, USC's defense is not

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Speaker 3: And so this year from what I've seen, because they

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Speaker 3: This is an athletic secondary. I don't think it's a

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Speaker 1: And they're capable.

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Speaker 3: But by and large, what you're able to do on

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't seem fixable in time to play Notre

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Speaker 3: it's not all that difficult to say, why would you

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma. I was checking before we hit record currently projected

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Speaker 3: That's just what's going to happen. As you sort of

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Speaker 1: No, I said double digits, double digits the rest of

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Speaker 3: They will likely have a lapsing week, but it's hard

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Speaker 1: That they are. I would say at least a fourteen

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Speaker 3: I saw that what Brent Vennables said this year's team

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Speaker 1: But so far, so great. Let's go to another team,

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Speaker 3: At real improvement not dramatic improvement?

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Speaker 3: I don't think they're improvement on the level of Oklahoma,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina against Miami is one of the big night

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Speaker 3: Yes, and so that is a team that can be happy.

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Speaker 3: and even with a decimated secondary. The teams you rattled

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Speaker 3: It's absolute progress that I don't know if I saw coming,

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Speaker 1: Miami this weekend I think will be a test, and

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Speaker 1: That gives you a good shot a win at home.

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Speaker 1: That is a much much different perspective than a year ago.

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Speaker 3: Ty I will I will always stand up for any

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Speaker 3: like a giraffe, and I'm not I can't ask about that.

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Speaker 3: And then you just are very polite and you make

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Speaker 3: polite small talk and you get out of there with

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Speaker 3: a win. That's reasonable. I don't have any experience with

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Speaker 3: that specific scenario.

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Speaker 1: Let me add, but yeah, final team not a team

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Speaker 1: that got secured a year ago, not a team that

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Speaker 1: got scared a year ago. In fact, this was a

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Speaker 1: top twenty five defense a year ago, but the LSU

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Speaker 1: Tigers have gone in the opposite direction seventy sixth per

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Speaker 1: the latest sp plus in overall defense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they were. It was a question not because

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Speaker 3: people seem to go into the season thinking that LSU's

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Speaker 3: defense was going to collapse. Or even get like way

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Speaker 3: way better. But the LSU defense I think had a

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Speaker 3: magnifying glass on it because of one bringing back maybe

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Speaker 3: the most dominant defensive player in the country and Harold Perkins.

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Speaker 3: Two bringing in transfers on all three levels, the new corners,

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Speaker 3: the new linebackers, new defensive linemen. I think it was

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Speaker 3: what Jordan Jefferson from West Virginia Omar Spates from Oregon State,

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Speaker 3: the two new corners, like there was this like, oh

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Speaker 3: is Brian Kelly building up the depth on this LSU

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Speaker 3: defense to the point where they're going to take a

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Speaker 3: big jump forward. And so that was an interesting storyline

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Speaker 3: in terms of progress, and we talked about that on

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Speaker 3: our LSU specific show that we did in our off season. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: LSU has the setback that the health of their defensive

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Speaker 3: line coach Jimmy Lindsay. I think in early August he

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Speaker 3: leaves the program. They now bring in Pete Jenkins, the

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Speaker 3: big defensive line consultant, because something needs to be fixed

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Speaker 3: dramatically upfront for LSU. This is one of the worst

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Speaker 3: defenses in the country. This is not just one of

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Speaker 3: the worst defenses in the SEC, not just one of

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Speaker 3: the worst defenses lately, but since that second half against

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Speaker 3: Florida State, they have been alarmingly bad doing everything in

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Speaker 3: every situation. They have been leaky upfront, they have been

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Speaker 3: leaky in the secondary. They have been bad tackling, they

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Speaker 3: have been there have been basically no juice when watching

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Speaker 3: this team, like the energy isn't there. Missoo could do

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Speaker 3: whatever it wanted, like Arkansas was doing whatever it wanted

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Speaker 3: for stretches of that game. And so in terms of progress,

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Speaker 3: we expect this LSU defense to jump up a little bit,

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Speaker 3: and it's gone dramatically in the other direction this year

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Speaker 3: under Brian Kelly and Matt House.

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Speaker 1: If you look at what Elsie's done so far this

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Speaker 1: season against Power five teams, not going to count the

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Speaker 1: Grambling game, but in those five contests, four of them

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Speaker 1: the defense underperformed projections. So Florida State was one of

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Speaker 1: the more notable ones. Ole miss was the most notable.

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Speaker 1: They gave up a ton of points, obviously, and that

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Speaker 1: one lost fifty five to forty nine. But last week

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Speaker 1: against Missoo nine points worse than projections. The Arkansas game

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned about seven points worse than projections, the

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Speaker 1: only one where they overperformed was Mississippi State, And I

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Speaker 1: would argue that one kind of doesn't count because Mississippi

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Speaker 1: State did not have its offense together when they played

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Speaker 1: back in Week three.

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Speaker 3: Well, it would have it counts in that it wasn't

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Speaker 3: a disaster once again.

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Speaker 1: Of these remaining games, they project to lose against Alabama,

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Speaker 1: they project to lose against Texas A and M. And

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Speaker 1: it would not surprise me with this defense. There's another

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Speaker 1: one in there that sort of falls off the back

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Speaker 1: of a truck because defense has not shown that much improvement.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, their rush defense would clearly be a huge talking

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Speaker 3: point if not for how bad their own pass defense is.

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Speaker 3: And so, yeah, it doesn't seem like it's going to

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Speaker 3: get corrected this year. I don't know if you make

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Speaker 3: a change at coordinator. I did look to see who

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Speaker 3: else is on that staff, and it's Bob Diaco coaching

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Speaker 3: those outside linebackers. Plenty of experience there. It's bad, it's

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Speaker 3: the progress has been fully in the other direction.

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Speaker 1: Right, And let us know what you think of all

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Speaker 1: of these teams. What do we get right, what we

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Speaker 1: get wrong? You can hit us up on social media,

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Speaker 1: of course, please make sure that you follow or subscribe

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Speaker 1: far much more of this to come, You can also

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Speaker 1: go on out to forballers dot com. That's our Patreon

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Speaker 1: where we offer all sorts of bonus perks. The full

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Speaker 1: version of this episode is available. We've got for baller

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Speaker 1: burning questions. We've got other things to discuss here over

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Speaker 1: the next half hour forty five minutes or so, so

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Speaker 1: we'll hope to see you over at verballers dot com

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Speaker 1: before we let the fine people go, though, Dan. As

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Speaker 1: we said on the recap episode, we wanted to give

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Speaker 1: the reverbs a little bit of an extra chance to

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Speaker 1: marinade yes, especially since we had some late kicks. Here

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Speaker 1: are those Week six reverbs.

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Speaker 4: Have a listen.

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Speaker 5: Every team has one great week a season, and that's

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Speaker 5: the bye week because you just can't lose.

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Speaker 4: And this is the Patrick from whats Virginia.

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Speaker 5: Hey, it is Well checking in from Western mass dan Ty.

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Speaker 5: This is Davis from New York calling. Look, I had

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Speaker 5: two options today, either go with my girlfriend three hour

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Speaker 5: drive to Zach Brown concert or watch them the Zoo game.

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Speaker 5: And I'm starting to feel like I could do a

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Speaker 5: whole day of chicken fried.

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Speaker 4: Did we almost lose a game with plus three turnovers. Yes,

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Speaker 4: but just Texas still suck?

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Speaker 5: Yes, baby you and downs and go on stands, Let's

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Speaker 5: go swards. Isn't it just peak Oklahoma that their biggest

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Speaker 5: celebrity they can find is a former player from Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: I am still reeling over the Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: Win over Texas, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm reflecting on everything that goes into a win, like

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Speaker 1: this preparation coaching mindset. But honestly, there's no way the

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Speaker 1: singers could have done this without tie picking Texas.

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Speaker 4: It might be ranked number three going into westlock By

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Speaker 4: yet in mid October.

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Speaker 5: The coaching style of Ryan Day is like watching someone.

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Speaker 4: Give the keys to a.

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Speaker 5: Cadillac to someone who just got their learners ferment.

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Speaker 1: If Washington State turns the ball over four times, but

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Speaker 1: it's on.

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Speaker 4: The PAC twelve network, did it really happen? Go Knowles.

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Speaker 4: We kicked some Virginia Tech and Texas law, so we

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Speaker 4: are moving all up. Babe Perrick, you.

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Speaker 5: Yike? So Perdue decided to build a whole plane out

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Speaker 5: a husband card, which is great if you like a.

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Speaker 1: Plan that gets intercepted at Back Alive.

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Speaker 2: Since Baylor's decided to field an unseious football team.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of getting into pizza this year.

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Speaker 4: I think Danky helped me get started.

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Speaker 1: I take second grade and I am just having flashbacks

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Speaker 1: to me in my classroom.

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Speaker 4: Thank second graders.

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Speaker 1: When we have big feelings, we can take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: I am taking many deep breaths tonight.

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Speaker 4: As a TCU fan, I'd like to officially welcome all

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Speaker 4: the bowlers to the first full weekend of October actually

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Speaker 4: named after brock Powers, the Heisman candidate. Go docs only.

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Speaker 2: Dan, you have got to be very happy that you

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Speaker 2: got rid of old Mario.

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Speaker 4: What an absolute defocle for Miami today. I'm the USC

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Speaker 4: so I'm just wondering if all your wins are clunkers,

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Speaker 4: are you really winning your clunkers? Watching Notre Dame football,

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Speaker 4: it feels like accidentally sitting on your ball.

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Speaker 2: Why the heck is Notre Dame still running the Brian

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Speaker 2: Kelly offense.

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Speaker 5: Stephen Night's gone, Notre Day will never win anything night again?

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Speaker 2: And I quit Hey TI, I'm outside Kinnick Stadium in

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Speaker 2: Iowa City, Iowa, and I'm Jill Jayden with my mom

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Speaker 2: Mama f as it were, and I gotta say five

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Speaker 2: stars highly recommend stay solid.

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Speaker 1: Peep out there you go. Those are your week six reverbs.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate that I'm saving my reactions to those for the

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Speaker 3: Forballers dot com orse and how about that tea?

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Speaker 1: You beautiful?

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Speaker 4: I love it?

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Speaker 1: Well, look again for ballers dot coms where you can

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Speaker 1: catch the remainder of this episode. Don't forget the hit, follow, subscribe, like, rate, review,

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