WEBVTT - The Iconic, Complicated VW Beetle 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I guess I should

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<v Speaker 2>say beep beep and welcome to the podcast. This is

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<v Speaker 2>stuff you should know. It's a love bug of podcasts,

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<v Speaker 2>and the reason why is because it features Charles W. Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Chuck, Tran Bryet.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a reference to my first car or just

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<v Speaker 1>me just you you love bug? Oh? Okay, I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Jerry's a love bug too, but much more insect.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this was my first car.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Is that why you selected this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've always had a soft spot for the

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<v Speaker 1>old VW Beetle. I had a sixty eight that my

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<v Speaker 1>parents bought new in nineteen sixty eight, which, as we'll see,

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<v Speaker 1>was the year they boomed in the States.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, I do know that. Yes, I didn't know if

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<v Speaker 2>there was more to your story.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I thought, no, I mean, I'm continuing my story,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, I just thought that you might react or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine. Then I later had a seventy five super

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<v Speaker 1>Beetle Liar, and then I had a square back, a

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<v Speaker 1>Type three square back I think it was a seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five as well, and that was actually my favorite of

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<v Speaker 1>them all.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not familiar with that last one.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd recognize it. It was sort of a it was it

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<v Speaker 1>was their version of a station wagon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you're talking about the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, thing wasn't a station wagon at all.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've never seen a Beatle station wagon in my life. Dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Welston, you picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, that's cool. I guess it was roomy trunk wise.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, not at all. It was you know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was probably in the chassis of a Beatle, so

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like it was big. It wasn't like the

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<v Speaker 1>huge station wagons of its day.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was basically just the the shape of it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of was station wagon esque.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to send a picture right now, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Please do. I don't have my phone near me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pretend I saw it. Okay, have you sent it yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Just say, oh my god, I have seen one of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, tell me when you sent it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, just continue because it's taking longer than I thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have a riddle for you, Charles. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 2>do the foreign words babble? Cosinel Tortuga Subpito, Buba, and

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<v Speaker 2>vo Cheeto all have in common.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, they are all various names in various

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<v Speaker 1>countries of the Volkswagen Beetle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's long and short of it. They have nothing

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<v Speaker 2>else in common except for that. But that's pretty cute.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those names are pretty cute. And the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why is because the VW Beetle is a very cute car,

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<v Speaker 2>which is kind of a strange thing to say. If

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<v Speaker 2>we were to go back to the fifties, old old timey,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties, post war American suburban dudes would probably beat

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<v Speaker 2>us up for saying that the Beatle was cute. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>say no, it's an ugly car. Everybody knows that, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one thinks that anymore. Everyone loves the Beatle. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's the end of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good night, I sent you the picture. I'll see

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<v Speaker 1>you tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on, Oh yeah, I've seen one of those before.

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<v Speaker 2>They're great.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I look forward to your real and your rear

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<v Speaker 1>response later. But I called mine the Type three. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a Type three square back. But the original name

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<v Speaker 1>of the VW Beatle was a Volkswagen Type one, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans themselves kind of renamed it der kefer K

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<v Speaker 1>a umlaut fer, which is Beatle in German. But Volkswagen,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they kind of just took that name upon

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<v Speaker 1>themselves because people were calling it that already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they stole it from Dervaulk der.

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<v Speaker 1>Volk, yeah, the people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it was der Volk who came up with

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<v Speaker 2>the name Beatle, like you said, but it was der

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<v Speaker 2>Volk for whom the Beatle was created, Chuck. Which is

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why Volkswagen is called Volkswagen. It means the

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<v Speaker 2>People's car. And that is the basis of the entire

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<v Speaker 2>story of the Beatle. The whole thing was started off

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen thirties, championed by no less than Adolf

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler in Germany, I mean, where else. And the point

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<v Speaker 2>of the car was to create an affordable car that

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<v Speaker 2>the average German family could use on the newly built Audubonds,

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<v Speaker 2>which Kraftwerk famously sung about, and which would also bring

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<v Speaker 2>the German economy out of the slump that it had

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<v Speaker 2>been in during the Weimar Republic. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember or not, but we talked about the

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<v Speaker 2>German hyperinflation many times around this time. In my twenties

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<v Speaker 2>early thirties, and get this. There's a stuff you Should

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<v Speaker 2>Know listener. Dave Kusten sent this to us yesterday. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you saw, but there's a stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should Know listener named Scott Seligman, and he created a

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<v Speaker 2>like a search tool where you can search keywords and

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<v Speaker 2>it will bring up every Stuff you Should Know episode

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<v Speaker 2>that we mentioned, say the word hyperinflation in so that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I know that it was in our episode on

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<v Speaker 2>currency that we talked about that. So hats off to

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<v Speaker 2>Scott Seligman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can people use that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So the URL is just too cluegy to say

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<v Speaker 2>out loud, so I would encourage people. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>posted it on the Stuff you Should Know subreddit, and

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a good place to go. Get it.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have made one of those little URL shorteners.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's legal to do that to

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<v Speaker 2>someone else's u R l.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't know. I thought that was just a

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<v Speaker 1>way to send out like, hey, just go to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>keyword syskkeyword dot com or something and it would reader.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, I'm not that sad of each Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>forty nine years old. For PiZZ sake.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, speaking of that and craft work, that leads me

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<v Speaker 1>around to this. Did you notice that I used craft

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<v Speaker 1>work on your stuff? You should know birthday post?

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<v Speaker 2>No I didn't. I saw that post. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for super sweet, But no, I didn't notice. What

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<v Speaker 2>was the craft work reference?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know I had the craftwork song playing to

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<v Speaker 1>the post?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? I know, yeah, I never have my volume up

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<v Speaker 2>for stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>A model? I don't know it would be appropriate.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure which one it was. I wish it

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<v Speaker 1>was autobunding because I'd really bring this sing full circle.

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<v Speaker 2>It really would. But still the craft work mentioned, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go back and listen to it. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna look at the picture of your your station

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<v Speaker 2>wagon and listen to the kraft work song that you

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<v Speaker 2>posted for my birthday. I appreciate that. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's only a station wagon in the purest

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<v Speaker 1>sense of the word. It's more like a stretched hatchback.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too late, Chuck, you really built it up as

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<v Speaker 2>a station You can't back title now.

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<v Speaker 1>But they also had and you know this is along

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<v Speaker 1>the same lines instead of the actual squared back that

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<v Speaker 1>was oh what did they call it? Not the round

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<v Speaker 1>back or did they the green back? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had a similar model, except if it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>as boxy. It was a little rounded, but it still

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<v Speaker 1>had the hatchback.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm totally lost. Now I know about

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<v Speaker 2>the Beatle, but that's about it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, let's keep talking about the Beetle then,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, the People's car, We're going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about the history here, because the history is a

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<v Speaker 1>little complicated. And I don't mean like, oh, it's complicated

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<v Speaker 1>because the Nazi Party, you know, commissioned it. It's complicated

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a bunch of different people who they borrowed

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<v Speaker 1>heavily from to kind of make the Beatle. Hitler and

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<v Speaker 1>there are also, you know, various stories, depending on who

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<v Speaker 1>you want to listen to, about whose initial idea it was. Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>if he were alive today, would say that it was

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<v Speaker 1>his idea first and foremost, and he picked Austrian, a

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<v Speaker 1>gentleman named Ferdinand Porsche mm hmmmm, porsche mm hmm, to

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<v Speaker 1>design the first Volkswagen, and that Porsche came up with

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<v Speaker 1>that iconic shape, you know, that round looking weird looking

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<v Speaker 1>car for the time. I mean, we're so used to

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<v Speaker 1>him now because it's literally the best selling car of

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<v Speaker 1>all time by a long shot, that everyone's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't look weird. It looks like a beetle. But

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<v Speaker 1>back then it looked very strange.

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<v Speaker 2>It did, and that was essentially the end of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Fernand Porsche came up with the design. He also came

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<v Speaker 2>up with the the Beatles iconic characteristics, which is that

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<v Speaker 2>the engine is in the rear, it's air cooled, it

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<v Speaker 2>saves on space, you don't have all those tubes or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever for water fuel, liquid fueled or cooled engine, and

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<v Speaker 2>that it had real rear whale drive. So essentially, the

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<v Speaker 2>Beetle was created a whole out of out of the

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<v Speaker 2>first time out of the gate by ferinand Porsche under

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<v Speaker 2>orders essentially from Adolf Hitler. That's like the story that

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<v Speaker 2>most people know. Even Volkswagens like, yeah, that's not quite right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some other details in there that are a little different,

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<v Speaker 2>and yet they still give all credit to ferinand Porsche, which,

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<v Speaker 2>as we'll see, is misplaced. Really, if you drill down

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<v Speaker 2>into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, supposedly it could fit for adults. That's the party line. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's really not the right thing to say there,

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<v Speaker 1>although it was the Nazi party. Yeah, but you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean, it's just an expression. Sure, but two

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<v Speaker 1>adults in that back have to be pretty small adults.

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<v Speaker 1>The backseat didn't have a lot of room, it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go super fast, but it could top sixty miles an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>At the nineteen thirty four International Automobile and motor Cycle

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<v Speaker 1>Exhibition in Berlin, Hitler came up on stage gave a

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<v Speaker 1>speech basically saying that you know, I have called for

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<v Speaker 1>the creation of this car, car of the people. Something

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<v Speaker 1>it would be affordable, something that you can drive on

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<v Speaker 1>the Autobon, unless you're Jewish, of course, because Jewish people

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<v Speaker 1>were not allowed to drive on the Audubon. And the

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<v Speaker 1>initial price was nine hundred and ninety reich marks, not

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<v Speaker 1>Deutsche Marx but reich marks, which was about thirty one

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<v Speaker 1>week salary for the average German worker. So not a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money, but a lot of money at the

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<v Speaker 1>time for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, but still affordable, right, I mean this is

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<v Speaker 2>unless they made you pay it all at once, then

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<v Speaker 2>it probably wasn't very affordable. The point was to make

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<v Speaker 2>an affordable car for Germany and then also create what

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<v Speaker 2>almost amounted to a national state owned car company, yeahs Wagon,

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<v Speaker 2>and to create both this car and ultimately the company

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<v Speaker 2>that made the car, Volkswagen. In nineteen thirty four, the

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<v Speaker 2>Reich Automotive Industry Association was formed. And that right is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a giveaway that the Nazis ran this consortium

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<v Speaker 2>of privately owned car manufacturers in Germany. Brought them all

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<v Speaker 2>together and said, defur really would like you guys to

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<v Speaker 2>get together and make this people's car, and if not,

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<v Speaker 2>you will all be summarily shot, and so will all

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<v Speaker 2>of your family. I don't know if they said that

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<v Speaker 2>last part, but I think basically everything that was said

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<v Speaker 2>in Germany during the thirties had that unspoken attached to

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, And you know, just to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think I was probably confusing things a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>The two versions of that story is one Hitler said

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<v Speaker 1>it was his idea, and then two Volkswagen said no,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really Porsche's idea to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that Hitler took and ran with it exactly, But

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that he is said to have given

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<v Speaker 2>Porsche the credit probably not. But the upshot of it

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<v Speaker 2>is that this consortion of German automakers hired for Nam

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<v Speaker 2>Porsche to create and design and create this Volkswagen. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's no question about that. Like the original Volkswagen Beetle

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<v Speaker 2>was created by Ferdinand Porsche. What makes this whole story

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<v Speaker 2>even more convoluted. You thought that was convoluted, everybody buckle.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, Well, they didn't have seat belts either.

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<v Speaker 2>Hang on to your oh shoot bar, yeah exactly. It

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<v Speaker 2>gets way more convoluted than that because it turns out

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<v Speaker 2>that Ferdinand Porsche either took credit for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other people's ideas or just over time was given credit.

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<v Speaker 2>They're kind of like, you know, the short sketch version

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<v Speaker 2>of the story. Most people don't go into this much

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<v Speaker 2>detail into the story of the VW. But we're stuff

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<v Speaker 2>you should know, so we're going to do that. But

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<v Speaker 2>there were a few people that kind of along the

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<v Speaker 2>way contributed to the what would become the Beatle very directly.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't like, hey, we should make a car and

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<v Speaker 2>call it the Beetle. Their ideas were essentially taken and

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<v Speaker 2>adopted and turned into the Beatle. Sometimes like as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was. It's pretty blatant when you

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<v Speaker 1>look at these designs and these sketches and drawings and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. The first guy we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about is Joseph Ghanz who was a Hungarian Jewish engineer,

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<v Speaker 1>and he came to Germany after World War One, and

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<v Speaker 1>from almost the beginning of the twentieth century, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it was like nineteen oh four nineteen oh five, people

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about like a people's car. You know, motorcycles

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<v Speaker 1>were the only kind of inexpensive way to get around,

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<v Speaker 1>and they thought, hey, if we could get a car

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, not too much more than a motorcycle,

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<v Speaker 1>it could actually hold a few Germans, then we'd be,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing pretty well for ourselves. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>a editor of a German car magazine, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>he knew his way around the idea of like an affordable, lightweight,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of smallish car.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, he also used that position to promote and

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<v Speaker 2>try to drum up support for the idea of a

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<v Speaker 2>German and people's car in the pages of that magazine too,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think was Car und Driver. He even went

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<v Speaker 2>so far as to design a prototype that he actually

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<v Speaker 2>called the may Coffer the may Beetle. Yeah, nineteen thirty one,

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<v Speaker 2>this is long before the Beatle was even called the

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<v Speaker 2>Beetle popularly. And he had there was another car called

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<v Speaker 2>the Standard Superior. Did you see a picture of one

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<v Speaker 2>of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it looks like a Volkswagen Beetle exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And so the apparently that was based on one of

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Gonz's patents. So this guy definitely had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of contribution to the development of the Beatle. And we're talking,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean nineteen thirty one. The Standard Superior is built.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty three the Beatles started to start to

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<v Speaker 2>be built, and I think nineteen thirty four, thirty five,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty six, So this is like, it's not like the

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<v Speaker 2>Ferdinand Porsche was totally unaware of the Standard Superior. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a car you could buy in Germany at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So you might say, well, why was Joseph Ghans not

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<v Speaker 2>credited for this, Why wasn't he hired instead of Ferdinand Porsche.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he was Jewish and he was arrested by the

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<v Speaker 2>Gestapo before the Volkswagen Beetle was ever created, but right

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<v Speaker 2>before it, so it was very easy for Ferdinand Porsche

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<v Speaker 2>to be like Joseph, who these are my ideas?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. He was arrested in thirty three and fled

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<v Speaker 1>the country in thirty four, and that was kind of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He never got any kind of compensation or anything or

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<v Speaker 1>any recognition either, even except for I mean us and

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<v Speaker 1>other people on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess sure, and that's what counts, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The second guy we're going to talk about, another Hungarian engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the little accents mean as far

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<v Speaker 1>as pronoun pronunciation goes in Hungarian, but I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>say bella bargni.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good enough? Sure, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>So he also wanted to build like a people's car,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a small and expensive thing. This was like

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<v Speaker 1>he was a kid, He was a teenager in the

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<v Speaker 1>mid nineteen twenty when he came up with an idea

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<v Speaker 1>for a rear wheel drived, rear engine, air cooled engine.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you look at the sketch that he set

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<v Speaker 1>out in nineteen twenty five, and this is what eight

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<v Speaker 1>years before the standard Superior, even this thing looks a

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<v Speaker 1>lot like a Volkswagen Beetle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the Chess is exactly the same essentially, and

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<v Speaker 2>then even the body he drew like a side view

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<v Speaker 2>of the car and it's a Beetle. I mean, like

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<v Speaker 2>he's creating this in nineteen twenty five, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>as an eighteen year old, and this one is so

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<v Speaker 2>irrefutable that in the fifties he apparently sued Volkswagen and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, Okay, from now on, we will refer to

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<v Speaker 2>you as the intellectual father of the Beatle. Could you

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<v Speaker 2>definitely lay down all the stuff that later became the Beatle,

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<v Speaker 2>even though you weren't given credit at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And he was like, does a check come along

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<v Speaker 1>with that title?

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<v Speaker 2>And they said nine, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably did. It's interesting though, if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the I'm getting confused now. I think the Standard Superior

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<v Speaker 1>is the one that looked like a Beatle ekscept the

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<v Speaker 1>front end had a little kind of squared off center.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure about the front end and all the

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<v Speaker 2>squared off business, but I do know that the lines

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<v Speaker 2>were more right angled rather than rounded.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think that's the one I was thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what it looks like actually is people VW Beetles

0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:36.199
<v Speaker 1>are highly have always been highly modifiable as far as

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<v Speaker 1>people making them look and as we'll see later, like

0:17:38.080 --> 0:17:40.560
<v Speaker 1>dune buggies or like this or that, and one of

0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the kind of I never really liked them that much.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the kind of fun things you could

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<v Speaker 1>do with the Beatle was put a little front, squared

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<v Speaker 1>front end on it instead of that big rounded scoop,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a square front like a Model T forward huh.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was something that people do to modify their Beatles.

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<v Speaker 1>And it looks a lot like the Standard Superior that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh like the hood, yeah, turning that Yeah, okay, I gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>I got your I wasn't I'm not up with the

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<v Speaker 2>jargon and the lingo here I could Yeah, yeah, I

0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know this front and end thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's where the beat is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the standards, right, I think the Standard Superior

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<v Speaker 2>did have a squared off hood as the way people

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<v Speaker 2>call it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a front ender. My bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there was one other guy too who was Austrian.

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<v Speaker 2>His name was Irwin Comenda, and he's the one who

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<v Speaker 2>actually filed the patent for the body that became the Beatle.

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<v Speaker 2>This wasn't like he drew something along the way. He

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<v Speaker 2>was working for Porsche. Porsche produced this design for this car,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy who actually drew the design and patented

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<v Speaker 2>what the car ultimately looked like was a different guy.

0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Yet if you just listen to all the stories, essentially

0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.080
<v Speaker 2>it was Porsche Hitler Porsche Hitler overtime. V W would

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<v Speaker 2>try to get away from that story a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but it would come back to him. They had to

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<v Speaker 2>finally kind of deal with it head on. Yeah, as

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see. But in the meantime, Chuck, while we wait

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<v Speaker 2>for VW to reckon with their Nazi past, I say

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<v Speaker 2>we take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back, all right. Earlier you said it

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<v Speaker 1>was thirty five, thirty six or so, it was in

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<v Speaker 1>fact thirty five when they delivered the first prototype. At

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<v Speaker 1>this point it was the VW Series three. Dave helped

0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:47.520
<v Speaker 1>us out with this, and he was keen to point

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<v Speaker 1>out it was made from steel and wood, which sounds

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<v Speaker 1>weird when you think of a car being made of

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<v Speaker 1>steel and wood, but back then cars were made of

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<v Speaker 1>steel and wood generally.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, And this was the prototype, but I think

0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.399
<v Speaker 2>the the eventual ones that came out were made of

0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the same stuff. And if you look at it looks

0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.720
<v Speaker 2>like a cross between a beatle and one of the

0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.760
<v Speaker 2>black cabs in the UK. Yeah, like those things, like

0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.719
<v Speaker 2>one mounted the other, and then the The Beatle Series

0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:19.280
<v Speaker 2>three came out. Sure. A little fun fact of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Hitler never knew how to drive. He never had a

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>driver's license, and yet if you step back, he was

0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:28.080
<v Speaker 2>like directly in charge, or not directly in charge, but

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.600
<v Speaker 2>he was overseeing this Like this, he knew what was

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>going on. Maybe not day to day, but generally he

0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:37.360
<v Speaker 2>was getting updates on the progress of this car and

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.320
<v Speaker 2>how it was coming. Like this was not like he

0:20:40.400 --> 0:20:43.160
<v Speaker 2>said something at an auto show once and then from

0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.080
<v Speaker 2>that point on it was kind of taken over like

0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.800
<v Speaker 2>he had like some sort of hand in it, which

0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 2>is just crazy if you think about it, because I

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<v Speaker 2>remember being a teenager and hearing like, man, you know,

0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.520
<v Speaker 2>like the Volkswagen. It was like a like a Nazi car,

0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:57.879
<v Speaker 2>the Beatle was or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I was that teenager who owned it the time, so

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 1>it was a little okay.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I was the one throwing exit your car. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know when you hear those things, like in

0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 2>college or high school or something like that, as you

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>get older, you're like ninety eight percent of that stuff

0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:19.560
<v Speaker 2>is totally wrong. It's just off. It's sometimes just totally untrue.

0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:21.960
<v Speaker 2>This is one of those rare ones that's not only true,

0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.680
<v Speaker 2>it's even worse than it seemed in college.

0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were throwing exit my car and sucking down

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<v Speaker 1>your fan of orange.

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<v Speaker 2>I was very confused at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So in nineteen thirty eight they built a factory

0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:41.159
<v Speaker 1>in Stuttgart to start building this car, like, you know,

0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:46.080
<v Speaker 1>this tremendous you know, people's car factory. The original like

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>off the line edition, like for real finally was called

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the Volkswagen Type thirty eight KDF Wagon Big K, big

0:21:54.080 --> 0:21:58.960
<v Speaker 1>F little D. That stood for Kraft d'ur freuda, which

0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:03.520
<v Speaker 1>is strength through which is was a literal Nazi propaganda.

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Slogan because you associate joy.

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.240
<v Speaker 1>They named their car often with the Nazis, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So their plan was this nineteen thirty eight. The plan

0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:15.600
<v Speaker 2>was to produce one point five million of those a year.

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.000
<v Speaker 2>That is ambitious in the nineteen thirties, but that's what

0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:21.879
<v Speaker 2>they were going for. They ended up producing two hundred

0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and ten.

0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, not two hundred and ten thousand.

0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:28.679
<v Speaker 2>No, two hundred and ten two to one zero niner.

0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:33.080
<v Speaker 2>And that's it. The reason why, in large part was

0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.159
<v Speaker 2>because the war broke out in nineteen thirty nine. The

0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 2>reason the war broke out was because the Nazis started everything. Yeah,

0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure no one forgets that.

0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. And they immediately started sort of reconfiguring

0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the the KDF to suit their military needs. So they

0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.640
<v Speaker 1>came out with different types of Type eighty seven, which

0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:59.160
<v Speaker 1>was a four wheel drive, and I guess that German

0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.920
<v Speaker 1>officers would drive one. They had a Type eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>a Kubelwagen, a bucket seat car, and that was armored.

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 1>It was on that Beatles Beatles like the band you

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>get it, m It was on a Beatle chassis, but

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.320
<v Speaker 1>it was armored and so therefore safe. And I'm sure

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:19.880
<v Speaker 1>some of the higher ups right around in that one

0:23:19.880 --> 0:23:21.080
<v Speaker 1>for obvious reasons.

0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 2>That one, very clearly to me, became the thing, the

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:26.080
<v Speaker 2>VW thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I knew one person in high school, Mary Francis Shepherd,

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 1>had a VW thing, and I thought it was so cool.

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it was cool, especially in high school. It

0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:39.200
<v Speaker 2>takes some gall to drive such an unusual cool car.

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I admit you were a little bit the same

0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:43.639
<v Speaker 1>with me. I was the only person with a beatle

0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 1>in my whole high school because everyone else wanted like

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.399
<v Speaker 1>a Mazar X seven or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, Yeah, yeah, so that they also had a

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>modified version of the Type eighty two or Type eighty Yeah,

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:58.800
<v Speaker 2>Type eighty two called the shwim Wogan the swimming or

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.640
<v Speaker 2>swimming car, and you could drive around in the water

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.879
<v Speaker 2>with it. I saw a picture of some dude in

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>his vintage shim Bogan like in the water, and it

0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>looks so nerve wracking. Like the water the thing is

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe eight inches above the water line. The rest of

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the car is below the water to comfort. Yeah, way

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:25.280
<v Speaker 2>too close for comfort. Apparently it went six full miles

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.360
<v Speaker 2>an hour on the water, and there weren't very many

0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.520
<v Speaker 2>of those made, so I imagine that that dude probably

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<v Speaker 2>paid a lot for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably so. And I don't know if you can.

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>I doubt if you can still find one of these.

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 1>But they had a during the war, they had some

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 1>gas shortages, some fuel shortages, so they developed a wood

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:47.439
<v Speaker 1>burning conversion kit for that cube of Bogan, so the

0:24:47.440 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 1>bucket see car. And you know, I'm sure you looked

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.199
<v Speaker 1>up pictures of this thing. It had a little you know,

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>round hatch in the front of the car. What do

0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you call that the hood? Yeah, and you would open

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>up that hat like a wood burning stove and put

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.680
<v Speaker 1>wood in there to power this thing.

0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>That's how you remember, it's called the hood. That's where

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:08.160
<v Speaker 2>you put the.

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Wood, right, that's right.

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Those are slogan, and that would power the card, not

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:20.360
<v Speaker 2>through combustion, but through pyrolysis, where the wood was gasified,

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>and then those gases would be transferred to the pistons

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:25.520
<v Speaker 2>to make them go up and down, and then make

0:25:25.560 --> 0:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>the wheels on the bus go round and round.

0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that was even possible, not the wheels

0:25:31.800 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 1>on the bus, but I didn't know that you could

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:35.240
<v Speaker 1>use wood in such a way to power a card.

0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.359
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of cool, yeah, and it did work, but

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 2>it didn't work very well. Yeah, to answer your question,

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 2>I read some article on it, and the people said that,

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:46.399
<v Speaker 2>as far as anyone knows, none of those survived, so

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you would not be able to find one of those.

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sadly. So. In the end, while they were pumping

0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>these things out, what they would use was force labor

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>they had, and this is another horrifying fact of the show.

0:25:59.560 --> 0:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>They were for literal concentration camps and eight forced labor

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:09.640
<v Speaker 1>camps on the grounds of the Volkswagen factory complex. And

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>that's just like, that's his not only was it a

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Nazi car, like they were exploiting labor to make them.

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it gets even worse because Ferdinand Porsche specifically

0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 2>asked for forced labor to be assigned to build the

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Volkswagens because he wanted to keep costs down. So you

0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.560
<v Speaker 2>put all this together, Hitler's directly involved in the creation

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and manufacture of this car. They use slave labor and

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 2>concentration camps built into the automotive factory complex. And the

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>reason that they're using slave labor is because the chief designer,

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Ferdinand Porsche asked for slave labor. VW eventually had to

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:52.360
<v Speaker 2>like face this as the world kind of continued on.

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.360
<v Speaker 2>People are like, guys, this is we have to talk

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>about this because this is not okay to just ignore.

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you wonder, like could they literally arrest

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>fer An end Porsche for this. He was held by

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>French authorities at one point, but he was not convicted

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>of a crime. But in the nineties, I think it

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:16.480
<v Speaker 1>was the early nineties, Volkswagen started a couple of different payouts.

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 1>They paid twelve million German marks deutsch marks, which is

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 1>about sixty three million bucks today to some of the

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>survivors who were those forced laborers from that factory. And

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.400
<v Speaker 1>then about eight years later in ninety nine, Porsche actually

0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>set up a fund even they were like, yeah, you know,

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen's taken all the heat on this, but it was

0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:38.240
<v Speaker 1>really our guy, so maybe we should pony up some dough.

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>So they ponied up five million euros about ten million

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.760
<v Speaker 1>bucks a day to compensate some of those same laborers.

0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeap. So remember they only produced two hundred and ten

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:51.760
<v Speaker 2>of what became the Beatle What the type thirty eight,

0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that was it, or the Series three, one

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>of the two. They only produced two hundred and ten

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 2>of those before during the war they changed the whole

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>VW factory to a defense vehicle factory. And then after

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.440
<v Speaker 2>the war when they started to get back to business,

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 2>it was under oversight from the British authorities. So it actually,

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in a really weird way, was the Brits who first

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 2>fully realized Hitler's vision for a people's car for Germany.

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was in their occupation zone, so it was

0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of theirs. I guess they renamed the factory to

0:28:28.400 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 1>the Wolfsburg Motorworks because of the Wolfsburg Castle that was

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:36.399
<v Speaker 1>close by and that you know that. I don't know

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>if you would recognize it depends on how much you've

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>been in like these old Beatles and Volkswagens, but a

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of them, like later on would be like the

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Wolfsburg edition, if they had a special edition of a

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 1>golf or something.

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Even I know about that, Okay, all right.

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Good, But they would have that little symbol, this little

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>castle with a wolf there on the center of the

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 1>steering wheel, just sort of an iconic logo.

0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:58.479
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen that.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you might recognize it.

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe is it on the hood.

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 2>So with the Brits, they made twenty thousand of those things,

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand essentially Beatles in nineteen forty six alone, but

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>all of them were to be used by Allied occupation

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>forces in Germany at the time, right, So they weren't

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 2>the people's car yet, it wasn't and I think the

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Brits ran it from nineteen forty five to forty nine.

0:29:28.560 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen forty nine they finally handed it back over

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>to the West German authorities, and in the interim, I

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>think nineteen forty eight, they hired the guy who would

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>essentially be who you could truly call like the real

0:29:40.760 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>actual father of the VW Beetle, a guy named Heinz Nordhoff,

0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 2>who took the control of this factory and like ran

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 2>with it and introduced the Beetle to the world.

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, he really ramped up production. He was

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 1>a very experienced car maker. He made the car a

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 1>little better, I think, gave it a little more horsepower,

0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>but you know that's that's not saying much because the

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Beatle was never known for that.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would actually cough sometimes, right.

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He gave it hydraulic brakes, which is pretty good,

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and chock absorbers, but again, none of that stuff was

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>like it was always a car that felt a little

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>janky to drive.

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I remember you talking about yours, and the heater was

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 2>redirected waste heat from the engine on your ankles, is

0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that correct. Yeah.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.800
<v Speaker 1>They just had these little events down on the floorboards,

0:30:31.920 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 1>and we call them ankle burners because it would just

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>pump heat directly from the engine right out to your

0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:38.760
<v Speaker 1>feet and it would ultimately heat the car, but it

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>would scortch the ankles.

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>Was it bad enough that you could smell the hair

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>on your legs burning?

0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have hair on my legs then.

0:30:45.560 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so, but it didn't have ac at all, did it?

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:52.800
<v Speaker 1>No? I know that some of the super Beetles did later,

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think my super Beetle did though, but

0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>my sixty eight definitely did not. It was two sixty air,

0:30:59.760 --> 0:31:01.800
<v Speaker 1>which you drive sixty miles an hour and roll down

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>two windows. Not a dad joka, that was a joke

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>I heard.

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Back then, Okay from a dad probably. So heinz Nordoff,

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.280
<v Speaker 2>he comes in, he takes over and he's like, look,

0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of stuff we can do. Like you said,

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 2>we can update the car. The problem is, we can

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.040
<v Speaker 2>sell a million of these in Germany, but German marks

0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>are so devalued right now because of the fallout of

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 2>World War two that we need to get some dollars

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in here. And the way that you get dollars or

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:32.959
<v Speaker 2>start selling them in America. So he tried that and

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 2>it did not go very well at first, in large

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.320
<v Speaker 2>part because America was like, that's a Nazi car and

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:40.560
<v Speaker 2>you're probably a Nazi trying to sell us a Nazi car.

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, your stupid Nazi car is ugly

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 2>as sin. Get out of here, Nazi. Yeah, And Heinz

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Nordoff was like, well, let's try this again in a year.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's all it took. I think the first

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Beatle and it was just a single one that came

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to America was in nineteen forty nine. It was a

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 1>Dutch car dealer named Ben Pond and he had to

0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:03.320
<v Speaker 1>sell that thing for like whatever he could get, just

0:32:03.400 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>so he could go back home, like you know, Transatlantic

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:10.719
<v Speaker 1>sale back home that He's like, all right, I barely

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>sold the one car, so it's probably not a good

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>idea to buy a bunch of these. But like you said,

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>just one year later, in nineteen fifty, there was a

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>dealer named Max Hoffman, a foreign car dealer that ended

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>up selling three hundred and thirty Volkswagens to dealerships that

0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.360
<v Speaker 1>were selling Porsches and Jags other foreign cars. So it

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 1>fit in just a little better and doesn't look that

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 1>much different. You know, those old bathtub Porsches, you know,

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the design isn't that different than the BW beetle. They're

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:39.760
<v Speaker 1>very round and sort of buggy looking.

0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>That's true for sure. So I think in nineteen fifty

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 2>they sold three hundred and thirty of them. Yeah, in

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty five they sold thirty two thousand, six hundred

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and sixty two of them. And one of the reasons

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.960
<v Speaker 2>for the huge leap forward, especially considering when the year

0:32:54.000 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 2>before they sold nine thousand, was that Volkswagen of America

0:32:57.760 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 2>was formed, so essentially an extension of the America conversion

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>of Volkswagen was formed, and that really kind of helps

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>streamline importing, setting up dealerships, moving cars to those dealerships,

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 2>getting car salesmen to step away from their chicken fingers

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:16.920
<v Speaker 2>in the break room and actually go out and sell

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>the cars for once in their life. Yeah, that's really

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>all those factors put together are what helped them start

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 2>selling beetles like crazy in the mid fifties.

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Should we take a break?

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 2>Sure?

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, good, because I got a cliffhanger. A very

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>key thing happened in the mid fifties to really ramp

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 1>up sales of these. We'll talk about that right after this.

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 2>So, Chuck, you left everybody hanging. You said that you

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>had a Cliffhanger about something that happened in the fifties

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that really kind of revd the beadle up into hyper drive,

0:34:11.400 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>which I think is a thing.

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I said mid fifties, it was really nineteen

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty nine. And anyone that has been around the advertising

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>industry or even knows a little bit about it or

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>watch mad Men, knows that there was a series of brilliant,

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>brilliant ads brought forth by the DDB and almost aid

0:34:32.560 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>insurance agency ad agency that I hate to say this,

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>but they leaned into what people didn't like about the

0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>Volkswagen and tried to make that a selling point, and

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.320
<v Speaker 1>they did so to tremendous success.

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a real game changer. Yeah. So this

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like everybody in advertising knows about this, and

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.439
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people outside of advertising know about because

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 2>it's just talked about so much. And the reason why

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>it was a great ad campaign just visually speaking, they

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 2>used all sorts of different techniques that were very much

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>different than than what you would normally find to sell

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 2>American cars, which were huge land yachts at the time.

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>This is the I think the first compact car that

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 2>America ever encountered, but like you said, they they really

0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>kind of took some of the criticisms of the Beatle

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 2>and turned them into selling points. One of the first

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:33.359
<v Speaker 2>things they said was that it's ugly, but it gets

0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 2>you there. So this this was just one example of

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>what came to be called an anti ad campaign. It

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 2>was like the what was that Paul Reiser movie from

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the eighties where he like just turns the ad world

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>on its head by just speaking the truth about the

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>products he's selling, you know, the one? No, yeah, what

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 2>it was like an ad for Volva was there. They're

0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 2>boxy but they're good.

0:35:58.760 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember that movie.

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what it was called. It doesn't matter,

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>but it was basically a movie based on this, even

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 2>though they would it was never to be like a

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 2>fictionalized version of it. They just I think it gave

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>the screenwriter an idea, is what I'm saying.

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll get you. One of the ads became, and

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I guess it was the most famous one. It's not

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the one I think at first, but it was named

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 1>ad of the Century by ad Age. It was it

0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>just said think small. And the one I remember most

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 1>specifically was and not by seeing it you know, live

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously because this was before my time. But I just

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>remember seeing I guess reading about or something. But it

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>was just a picture of the VW Beetle and it

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>said Lemon underneath it. Oh yeah, yeah, which Lemon is,

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, a car that's kind of sucks.

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Right, So I'm not sure what they were going for

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 2>with that. Can you explain?

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't know. I mean the same as the

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>other ones that say ugly is only skin deep. You know,

0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>they were just sort of playing upon people it was

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>ugly or saying it was you know, I don't know

0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:04.920
<v Speaker 1>if people were saying it was a quality car, because

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Lemon definitely indicates like it doesn't run well. So that

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 1>was a real sort of extra brave, I think, even

0:37:13.320 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>compared to the rest.

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean even I don't get that one at all.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense to me. I'll have to

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 2>go look further into it.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.680
<v Speaker 1>What's your search, norm? Can someone explain to me why they.

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:29.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll write it out exactly like that.

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, I don't think it's that much different

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>than saying it's ugly.

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it is, because ugly, it's like, that's all just

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>a point of view it's it's subjective and really, ultimately,

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:41.919
<v Speaker 2>if the car runs, well, a lot of people don't

0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 2>care what it looks like a lemon. Everyone cares that

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the car is not going to run. Well, it does not.

0:37:47.520 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>It makes no sense to me whatsoever, But I'll figure

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 2>it out on all report back. How about that?

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well maybe that's why I remembered it because it

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>didn't make.

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Any sense, right, But yeah, and I guess you ended

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.480
<v Speaker 2>up buying one, so there you go. Uh, well, my

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 2>favorite one was lived below your means.

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty fun. But who wants to do that?

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you who wants to do that. People

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.240
<v Speaker 2>who essentially were the basis of the counterculture, the people

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:13.759
<v Speaker 2>who were the beats a few years earlier, sorted to

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 2>grow up, started to go to college, were very highly educated,

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>but still did not want to follow in the exact

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 2>steps of their parents, and the beetle kind of gave

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.760
<v Speaker 2>them a well, a vehicle out of their parents' shadow

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to kind of forge their own path. It was basically

0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>a finger to the crew cut. Buying a Beetle was

0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 2>in the early sixties.

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's very weird that my parents bought one

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>brand new in sixty eight because they were not that

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 1>at all. My dad was the crew cut like literally, yeah,

0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, they weren't counterculture, like I have

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>no idea. Maybe, I mean, maybe my mom thought it

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>was cute, maybe my dad did. I have no idea.

0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna have to ask my mom about that. But

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 1>cost wise, it's probably because of the cost, because they

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't have a lot of money, and in nineteen sixty four,

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 1>you could get a Beetle for one five hundred and

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:06.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty five bucks compared to about twenty four hundred four

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Ford Mustang at the time, or close to seven grand

0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 1>for a convertible Lincoln Continental. So it was definitely affordable

0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that's probably why they got it.

0:39:15.520 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so they started selling a ton of these things.

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen sixty eight, they sold four hundred and twenty

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 2>thousand just in America, and by this time, by this

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 2>year around the world, it was the best selling car

0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>in the world. This was twenty years after Heinz Nordoff

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:37.359
<v Speaker 2>took over. So we went from essentially this Nazi car

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:41.720
<v Speaker 2>to the best selling car in the world in two decades,

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:43.480
<v Speaker 2>which is quite a feat.

0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, just a year after that, it got

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 1>a big bump when Disney came out with the love

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 1>Bug movies. The initial one was just the love Bug

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and Herbie, of course, was the name of that sixty

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 1>three beetle that If you haven't seen those movies, they're

0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>like those sixties early seventies Disney movies are kind of fun,

0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:03.280
<v Speaker 1>but they're not great. But Herbie was definitely a lovable car.

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:06.279
<v Speaker 1>And you can still see Herbie versions driving around with

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>the two off center stripes. Yeah, and whatever the number

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 1>in the circle was, I can't remember what it's racing number.

0:40:13.680 --> 0:40:15.879
<v Speaker 2>Was, sixty three or fifty three.

0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, it was probably sixty three because it was a

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>sixty three Beatle.

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Okay, I'm more of a Snowball Express man myself.

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen that one? No, it's a good one. Okay, okay,

0:40:28.800 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>just check that one out and thank me later.

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I bet this stuff is all on the Disney app

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 1>don't they have all their classics on there.

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Snowball Express for sure, watch that one and then watch

0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 2>the North Avenue Irregulars.

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Those are but I do remember that one. I love

0:40:41.760 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 1>that movie.

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So if you love North Avenue Regulars, there's a

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>good chance you're going to like Snowball Express, I guarantee it.

0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 1>One thing about the movie, though, was it was a

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a radio controlled car, like it's driving around

0:40:55.640 --> 0:40:57.279
<v Speaker 1>by itself. That's whole concept that this is a car

0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 1>is kind of alive. And you might think, oh, cool,

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.640
<v Speaker 1>they figured out how to remote control this car. It

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>was actually a movie making trick where they have somebody

0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.799
<v Speaker 1>down out of view of the windows, kind of in

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the back seat, like a stunt driver driving that thing.

0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we say that because there's a bunch of

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.240
<v Speaker 2>people on the internet saying this is, what's the world's

0:41:15.280 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>first self driving car? And they're just wrong, wrong, wrong.

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I didn't know that people claim that.

0:41:20.600 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wrongly? What about what about Mexico? Chuck, because it

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 2>turns out that Mexico and the beetle go hand in hand.

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that, though, Oh you didn't know that. No,

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know, I didn't. I'm not going to

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 2>even try to bs my way out of it. I

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 2>did not know that.

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I am surprised that you've been to Mexico City and

0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 1>that you did not notice the inordinate amount of VW

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>beetles driving around.

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I just saw forest.

0:41:47.680 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I was kind of one of the

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>things I was looking forward to when I went to

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>Mexico City for the first time because I heard they

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 1>were just like VW beetles everywhere, and there are because

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:02.239
<v Speaker 1>they were made there until two thousand three, which is remarkable.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Like you can buy a two thousand and three you know,

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 1>final year edition Mexican Volkswagen Beetle. I went online immediately,

0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.800
<v Speaker 1>and like you can buy one for like fifteen grand

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>that I saw that was looked to be in pretty

0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 1>good shape. And that's kind of all I want now.

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good to know somebody's got a birthday coming up

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 2>in Yeah. They they actually the factory in Pueblo, Mexico,

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 2>which was the first plant outside of Germany, or the

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:38.359
<v Speaker 2>largest plant outside of Germany. It outlasted the one in Wolfsburg,

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I think the one in Wolfsburg shut down or the sorry, yeah,

0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the one it was in Stuttgart, the Wolfsburg plant in

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Stucart it shut down in nineteen seventy four, and like

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you said, the Mexican plant kept going until two thousand

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and three.

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 1>So amazing.

0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again they stopped selling new beetles in the

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:58.960
<v Speaker 2>States in nineteen seventy nine. But Latin America is like,

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:01.800
<v Speaker 2>we still love them, so keep them coming Mexico in

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>Mexico staid right.

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>On, Yeah, for sure. I mentioned earlier sort of the

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:10.759
<v Speaker 1>dune buggy conversion that some people have done. The initial guy,

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess, or I don't know if he was the

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:13.880
<v Speaker 1>first one, but the guy that really got famous for

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>it was a California kind of car guy and racer

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:20.919
<v Speaker 1>named Bruce Myers, and he was a dune buggy guy.

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 1>He built a kit car using a beatle chassis and

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of reconfigured the shell. If you've ever seen like

0:43:28.680 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Wonderbug the Sid Marty Croft show from the nineteen seventies,

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 1>it's that kind of dune buggy. But it was called

0:43:35.680 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 1>the Myers Manx, very very popular, especially in California. After

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.399
<v Speaker 1>he won the Baja one thousand and one of those

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty seven. And I went to the Myers

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.879
<v Speaker 1>Manx website. They are building a new one, the first

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:51.359
<v Speaker 1>one in decades. It's called the Manx two point zero EV,

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and it is did you see this thing?

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I did. They're amazing.

0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh man. I immediately was like, should I put a

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:02.479
<v Speaker 1>deposit down on this thing. It's like five hundred bucks

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>to put down a deposit, right, seventy four thousand dollars

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.360
<v Speaker 1>starting price. So I immediately was like, oh, I don't think so,

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>all just admire them.

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah. They had another one. I can't remember what

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:15.480
<v Speaker 2>it was called, but it was like one hundred and

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:19.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty five grand starting or something. These are like these

0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:23.399
<v Speaker 2>are like doom buggies, electric doom buggies essentially, and I'm

0:44:23.400 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>not sure that they go off road. I didn't have

0:44:25.440 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>that impression.

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I think it's gonna if

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.399
<v Speaker 1>it's a Manx, it'll it'll do all you want.

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, it's good.

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.359
<v Speaker 1>So it's got a pretty it's because it's so small,

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>it's gonna have a limited range, like one hundred and

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:38.520
<v Speaker 1>twenty five miles. But if you're a listener out there

0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:40.359
<v Speaker 1>and you end up getting one of these, I will

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>meet you wherever you are in the United States to

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 1>ride around in it with you. Oh cool, you go

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 1>putting out that offer.

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Right now, I think we should talk about a few

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a few stats, a few records that VW put out. Sure, Well,

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.319
<v Speaker 2>one thing was that they they kept kind of upgrading

0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>or updating or tweaking the in all sorts of ways.

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:03.759
<v Speaker 2>But if you really look at the first Bug that

0:45:03.880 --> 0:45:06.800
<v Speaker 2>came out in the forties and you look at the

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Bugs that were produced until two thousand and three, they

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.560
<v Speaker 2>don't look very different. It's essentially the same car, which

0:45:13.640 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 2>is why it's considered the longest selling car of all time.

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the greatest selling of all time. I think they

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:24.920
<v Speaker 2>sold a twenty one million plus Beetles over the production run.

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:28.080
<v Speaker 2>But it's like it was essentially the same car, and

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>so they would tweak it and release these limited editions

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 2>once in a while. One was the Sports Bug, one

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:36.440
<v Speaker 2>was a bi Centennial Bug, and then there was one

0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that came out in nineteen seventy seven called the Champagne Edition.

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>And I looked into these and it seemed like maybe

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 2>they had like a different exclusive paint color, or there

0:45:45.000 --> 0:45:47.520
<v Speaker 2>was a slight tweak to the trim package or something.

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 2>The Champagne Edition came with a coke mer and a

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 2>vacuum shaped metal straw, but other than that, they seemed

0:45:54.200 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 2>like just regular Beetles. Yeah.

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it was a convertible, but there were other convertibles.

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.239
<v Speaker 1>I always wanted a convertible to because you know, back

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 1>in those days with the Beatles, it was just like

0:46:04.480 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple of twists of a knobs and then you

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 1>manually just sort of threw it back over your head.

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.399
<v Speaker 1>Never was able to get a convertible, You're right about.

0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.759
<v Speaker 1>The body style never changed. The tail lights would change

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:18.319
<v Speaker 1>shape a little bit here and there, and that's kind

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of one of the ways you could tell what year

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:24.000
<v Speaker 1>it was. Okay, but other than some sort of headlight

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:28.359
<v Speaker 1>tail light stuff, it was basically the same shape. Even

0:46:28.400 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 1>through the Super Beetle. They might have been a slightly

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:32.799
<v Speaker 1>different shape. They were a little bit bigger, I think, yeah,

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 1>but not much because I had a super Beetle and

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.120
<v Speaker 1>it's not like it was roomy, you know.

0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you had to be paying attention to probably

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 2>spot the difference between a beetle and a super Beetle

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 2>unless they, yeah, park next to each other, you know.

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. But VW Beetle owners and are still

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:50.879
<v Speaker 1>very much known for being very into them and sort

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>of knowing that kind of stuff is sort of like

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just a car usually, it was like something

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that you adored and we're into and you could get

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>parts cheap, and you know, generally work on it yourself,

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:03.600
<v Speaker 1>because when you looked at that engine, it looked like

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it had like nine or ten parts totally. Yeah.

0:47:05.960 --> 0:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And apparently VW dealerships kept all parts in stock

0:47:09.840 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>from all years. Essentially they had huge, huge stockpiles apart,

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:16.000
<v Speaker 2>so you could always be like, well, I can at

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:17.920
<v Speaker 2>least go get this thing fixed pretty cheaply.

0:47:18.480 --> 0:47:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, and we should probably close with a

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 1>car that you owned, or at least a bought that thing, right.

0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was Yumi's car, the new Beetle. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't surprise me. It was super cute and it just

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<v Speaker 1>fit you mean to a t.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, yeah, she would do donuts in that thing

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<v Speaker 2>all day long. It had the best like turn radius.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really really, I mean yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Would turn fine. But she didn't actually do donuts as

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<v Speaker 2>far as I ever knew.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I knew that part was true, but

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it had like a noted turn radius or something. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you just got me on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. But one thing it did have, Chuck, was

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<v Speaker 2>a little vase, a little flower vase next to the

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<v Speaker 2>steering wheel. Do you remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very cute, and they I think they look

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. I wish they would have made it a

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<v Speaker 1>little more traditionally looking like a bug like. The couple

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<v Speaker 1>of things that bothered me, and this is nitpicky as

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<v Speaker 1>a beetle guy, was the flush headlights and the flush

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<v Speaker 1>tail lights. I always love that they stuck out before.

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<v Speaker 1>But aside from that, I think they honored it quite well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they did an update in twenty eleven that I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was pretty cool too.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I saw that one. I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>to look that one up.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you look that up. I'm going to look

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<v Speaker 2>at the text of your square back Beetle station wagon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to look up that lemon that confusing lemon

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<v Speaker 2>add okay, And there might have been something else, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have to go back and re listen to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I got one more quick little thing because if

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<v Speaker 1>you have ever been in a Beetle or owned one,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is something I didn't know until Day pointed

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<v Speaker 1>this out, there's a very particular smell that when I

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<v Speaker 1>stick my head in a Beetle, it's just like it

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<v Speaker 1>zaps me back. It smelled like no other car made

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<v Speaker 1>on the interior, and apparently that came from the cushioning

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<v Speaker 1>of the seats. It was made out of coconut hair,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember seeing that coconut hair like falling out

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<v Speaker 1>from under my seats and stuff, But I never knew

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<v Speaker 1>that was what the smell was due to.

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<v Speaker 2>Did it smell like coconuts or it just had this

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<v Speaker 2>distinct smell.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a distinct smell. I think it was the vinyl

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<v Speaker 1>combined with that coconut hair. It was just super super distinct.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. Well, I guess, well, Chucks, do you have

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<v Speaker 2>anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since Chuck started nostalgizing, then he just accidentally triggered

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<v Speaker 2>listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I'm gonna call this, I guess a follow

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<v Speaker 1>up on Madman Mounts because this is a pretty fun email.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, A big fan of the show. I was

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<v Speaker 1>very excited listening to the topic on eight tracks and

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking silently, they better mentioned months. They better mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>months because Earl Madman Muntz was born here in Elgin, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 1>He led a very colorful life, and his part of

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<v Speaker 1>the A Trex story is only small portion of that wildlife.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an innovator in giant screen televisions, cellular telephones

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<v Speaker 1>for cars and satellite receivers. He started as a car

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<v Speaker 1>salesman and this is the basis of the typical crazy

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:21.319
<v Speaker 1>used car salesman thing. And one of his slogans was,

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<v Speaker 1>I buy them high and sell them low. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>fun that way. Don't tell missus Munts. And she pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out he failed to mention what Missus Munds he was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, because I think he had seven wives.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I saw that when we were doing the

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<v Speaker 2>eight track research. What that ad no, that he had

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<v Speaker 2>had seven marriages.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, you know, I'm not one to blame

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<v Speaker 1>a divorce on a person, but if you've been married

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<v Speaker 1>seven times, you may be the problem, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure he would.

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<v Speaker 1>Smash cars with sledgehammers, where a tricorn hat with red

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<v Speaker 1>long John's So he was you know, he was supposedly

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<v Speaker 1>invented the wacky car salesman guy routine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So mad been months will be the subject of the

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<v Speaker 1>Elgin History Museum's podcast Echoes of Elgin on August first

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<v Speaker 1>of this year. If you want to learn a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more, and this is coming from Rebecca Miller, who

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<v Speaker 1>is the museum educator at the Elgin History Museum.

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<v Speaker 2>Very neat. Thanks a lot, Rebecca Chuck. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>say I have a terrible feeling that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of follow up emails saying it's pronounced Elgin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh is it Elgin?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I could just totally.

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<v Speaker 1>See it all right, Well, just pretend I said Elgin.

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<v Speaker 2>If that's the case, we'll have Jerry go edit hard

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.680
<v Speaker 2>g's into all the time, she said Elgin.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, instead of giving her full read, I'll just go, yeah, Jerry, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just lace that in.

0:51:53.840 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 2>If you want to be like Rebecca and bring us

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<v Speaker 2>up to speed on somebody we just kind of mentioned

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 2>but really walked past. Love that kind of thing. You

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<v Speaker 2>can do what Rebecca did and send us an email.

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