WEBVTT - Behind the Scenes 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:12.520 You don't think, so you don't thinking what you said? 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.319 Why doesn't she have Gail? Maybe Gail doesn't care you 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:17.880 doing We open the form forgive to go there though, 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.000 so now we open a conversation for Gil because people, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.360 but because she may not have wanted to go. But 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.440 you made this. Say what you said, what y'all are saying, 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:31.760 or you and your friend and people on your thing, 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:36.040 it's all there's an agenda. Why don't you go in 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.720 there just like you going but you are you with 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.879 everybody else? You are you everybody else? You're going there 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.680 if somebody say something to you, if somebody goes in 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:50.000 there and saying even if somebody goes in there and says, oh, 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.640 my son, you're wrong and you just don't like women 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:54.560 and you this is that in the third or whatever. 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.080 I'm just let me finish my point. You're going there, 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.120 and you got all these things to say. But when 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.600 men is in their car and them bitches more, when 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.160 men are in there saying other things like oh, well 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.160 you know that's because they got in the gender you 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.759 ain't going there one time. It's saying no, don't talk 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:13.200 about these women like that. But you don't respond to no, 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.600 comments either be either do one thing or because you 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:23.520 said because you But why are you saying okay, sending? 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.399 Why you argue with people? Why are you making up sunny? 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.600 Why don't you just leave it at that? Why are 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.720 you in there arguing with people who are saying things 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:38.560 that might support Because every time somebody, every time somebody 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:43.600 says something that might be like you're wrong, you argue 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.920 with them. But what I'm asking you with but I'm 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.120 asking you is why don't you go in your comments 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.400 and say when they're men in there who are like, oh, 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:58.800 that's because them bitches all got they all together, Fuck 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.600 them bitches, they got some type of plan. Why you 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.840 don't go in there say they call it snoop type 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:12.960 of okay. But she would provide a space that made 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:17.600 it seem like, Jada, No, that's not what you didn't 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.000 need to have gar No, you didn't. You said, why 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.320 won't why you say what I said? I have a 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:28.600 question what I want to know? We need you want 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.079 to go that listen to me, But we're not gonna 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:33.079 make it seem like it's not It's not an option 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.360 that people don't want to hear that. It's any question 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:37.880 that you asked, it's not everybody don't want to do whatever, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:39.799 but people want to know why she ain't up there. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:45.079 She created the turmoil, She created this. He was reacting 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:48.840 Why you wasn't hurt that she said that about a 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.960 black man, why he was dead? Why it didn't hurt you. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.040 Did you watch the whole thing? Did you watch the 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.480 whole thing? Because today the piece that they put out, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.160 that's another thing speaking on something but saying that happen. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:04.280 Did you watch the whole episode? How can you be 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:08.160 a journalist well or be an influencer that makes a 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.720 statement based upon what if she went on? Nan said, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.440 I asked Gail to come and she said no. What 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:15.480 if she went on? Nan said, what if she went 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.320 on there? Because it was a it's a piece that 0:03:17.400 --> 0:03:20.000 came out today where she's sitting there and snoop and 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.679 saying it was her and that's and she's like, yes, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.400 that's right, I understand. So what if she went on? 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:27.640 What if she land bast to Gail? What if she 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.600 tore Gail's after You don't even know because you made 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.600 a comment being fast, but you didn't take you didn't 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.560 take the time to look at the entire thing to 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:39.120 be able to say. Maybe she said, I'm gonna have 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.880 Gail on next Maybe she said, I asked Gail, Gail 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.760 said no, Maybe she said, we'll see when Gail gets 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.240 back to us. And then if that's the case, then 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.920 what you would have been saying, and that thing is 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.200 I'm glad you asked Gail, Jada and next time, you know. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.880 And I can't wait till she come on. We should 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.320 all be asking Gail, why won't you go on Red 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.200 Table Talk? But instead the what what? What? How? Been? 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.440 Is that it made it seem like it's not it's 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:08.800 not happening, like it's not possive. You just you keep 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:18.280 making up your own facts. What's going on? Y'all? Ship boy, 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.240 my son and this is Street Politicians, the place with 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.839 the streets of politics. Me and I'm Tamika Mallory and 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.320 thank you for joining us for another episode. It's been 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.440 a little fiery around here. Maybe you've been privy to 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.520 some of the dialogue that was going on before we 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.960 started the show. Lots happening in the news all the time, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.159 and you know what, my son and I sometimes we 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.680 just don't agree, don't agree, and you know, and this 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.600 is one of those times, so you had a little preview. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.760 You've probably got some of the little fire crackers. So 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.279 y'all been following us, and you know, we've been going 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.360 back and forth about this whole Gil and Kobe situation 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.720 and that a little behind the scenes is us, you know, disagreeing. 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.159 So there's been some r there's been some new developments. 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.159 J the Pinkett just did an interview with Snoop Dogs 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.880 based on his comments to Gil King, and you know, 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:09.080 a lot of people on social media have backlash. There 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:11.560 was a lot of different, you know comments, and I've 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.440 seen the clip that I've seen, so I listened to 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.200 the clip and I commended it. I thought it made sense, 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:21.120 you know, I understood Snoop's position, or understood Jade's position, 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.040 and she talked about how his comments heard her and 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:27.400 how she felt really harmed, and he came up there 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:31.320 and in full transparency. I haven't seen the whole episode yet, 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:34.640 but based on what I saw, he was basically explaining how, 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:38.400 you know, he didn't want every black woman in America 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.400 to be angry with him, but he was angry at 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.960 what she said, and his statements was out of that 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.160 anger and frustration. So you know, I listened to it, 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:49.359 and I commended it. I went on my social media 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.239 page and I did a little video based on the clip, 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.080 and I and I commanded everybody. I said, Snoop, you 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:57.039 did a hell of a job you. I love the 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.279 Red Table talk. Jada is dope. The way that y'all 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:03.000 bring up real topics and you're talking. You come from 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.080 a place that's really so passionate and wrong, you know. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.640 And I said, everybody should agree with with Snoop Dead, 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.320 and I saluted him. But then I said, now, it 0:06:13.360 --> 0:06:17.320 would be dope if you said, if you think it 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.160 would be fair, I think it would be fair because 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.880 Gail was the person who created the situation. Snoop Dog 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.000 was reacting to what Gail said. Why is it not 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.520 a representation of black men, just that a black man 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.599 decided to go talk to some black women about his 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:37.760 feelings or something that he said or and did in 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:43.159 his career, overhit his timespan living here on this great earth, 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.840 he did something. Forget about Gail King. He's saying that 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:50.039 as a man, even when I'm angry about something, I 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.040 should never speak to or about a woman like this. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.960 And that's a that's a that's a point, that's five 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.600 ten shows by itself. That doesn't require Gail King. You're 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.160 saying that doesn't happen if you never talked to Gail 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.599 about anything, that doesn't matter. It does, my son. Here's 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.520 what I'm telling you. I'm saying that what Snoop is 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.800 doing is important for black men and black women, right. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:20.280 And I'm saying that I appreciate his movement, with or 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.800 without Gail ever doing anything. In fact, it is actually 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.920 making Kobe's legacy and Snoop and those people who have 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.240 challenged what Gail King did look better. But I don't 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.800 want it's moving them into a better light because people 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:41.080 are seeing that we're doing the real work together. There 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.120 is an obvious division. I understand that, and this is 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.400 where the problem is. And when the division division keeps happening, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.480 when it looks one side, it's not about what I'm getting. 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.400 What I'm trying to tell you what it looks. It's 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:57.600 not about whether it is if it looks, if looks 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:03.000 if Snoop has apologized, Snoop goes on and he apologized again, 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.680 and these platforms tell him how he harmed them. But 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:11.720 the original harm, the original harm was done before he 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.800 said a word, and there's no one to attach that 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.800 person who did that harm. No want to hold that 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:21.320 person accountable, no one to sit there and tell that 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.120 person how what you did harm to us? How it 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.920 say black Howard separated black people, black and male and 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:32.360 women are already seen. I haven't seen it. I'm saying 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:37.400 you do. Everybody has from the beginning, looks Snoop, this 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.520 is what I'm trying to tell you. Everybody told you. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:44.679 Michael Ridson came out, Um Tammy came up. Everybody told Snoop, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.400 how those negative? Is it not? It wasn't negative, but 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.719 she said she was. She just said you must have 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:54.080 been thinking that all that was not regardless of white. Okay, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.240 what I'm trying to tell you what everybody expressed to 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.840 us Black men, black woman. Everybody went to Snoop and 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.320 expressed to him how his words made them feel. Okay, 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:09.040 nobody has gone. Who is the nobody? Tell me somebody 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:15.280 I'm fell about what Gail did. What she said. I 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.520 have said it, I've said it weird, I've said it 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:22.240 on my social media, I've written it. What do you 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:26.200 think that you're looking for somebody to say? Because I'm 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.680 looking for you I'm looking for to me, I'm looking 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:32.200 for the same thing that the same thing that Michael 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:37.320 Rick Diyson did. I'm looking for that you do. I 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.360 watched the words that you said to me, and it 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:43.600 took power for me and my daughter and my mom 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.640 and I said no, not snoop and listen to me 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:48.760 that and it was heartfeld. The man he looked like 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:51.560 he wanted to cry because these are people that he loved, 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.400 These are people that he valued their opinion, and they 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:56.920 told him that he said something and did something that 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.920 harmed them in a way that made him feel like 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:06.320 he needed to clarify if that was Tupac, right, listen 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:09.440 to me, if somebody had asked her those questions about Tupac, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.439 she probably have punched him in the face. And if 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.400 somebody was up there talking about interviewing somebody about Tupac, 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.320 she would have felt the same. We realized the difference. No, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.520 I tell me the difference. The difference is that Tupac 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:21.360 is a man that she was in a relationship with 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:27.679 and his friend. Okay, so what so what I'm saying that? 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.240 And guess what if she would have done that, she 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:31.960 still may have need to go out and said you 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.360 know what, I was angry and I didn't said some 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:36.720 things that I wasn't supposed to say, but I'm still 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:39.360 I was. I'm still angry about it. What I'm saying 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:44.320 to you, my son, is that what Jada basically did right, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:49.280 she space for Snoop to clarify and be one and 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.720 hold back with black women so they didn't feel like 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.720 he was at them. I guess where I'm coming from 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.120 here and what I'm dealing with that I spoke about 0:10:57.360 --> 0:11:00.800 in the last show that we did. I'm ruggling with 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:05.640 trying to understand why it is that black men cannot 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.679 just be accountable on their own without having to bring 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.920 what the woman did and said. You know what, I'm 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.760 just trying to figure out. You know the problem. The 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:19.959 problem is there's a chain of events. You understand what 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:24.440 I'm saying. The chain of events started with Gail because everybody, 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.080 that's what I hear what you're saying. But you can't 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.160 say somebody being held accountable because she got a co defendant. 0:11:29.679 --> 0:11:31.719 You can't be held accountable with something that you're did 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.840 with somebody else. You can't solely be held and me 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.920 and you did a crime together, and it's a black 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:38.560 man and the black woman, and he said, no, you 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:40.360 just need to go away. No, we got a co 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.440 defend we've done. But we as black women have covered 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:48.120 many times and dealt with the accountability and the responsibility 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:51.640 for the family, for the black men, for everybody. And 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.920 you know why, you know what, if we don't force 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.560 black men to have to always be a part of that, 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.880 we take the ship. We take the beating for how 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.440 we take the beating and the whipping and the responsibility 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.520 on behalf of our community and our families all the 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:11.400 damn time. And you know what, it's okay if Snoop 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.120 passed to go and sit there and have a conversation 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.960 with black women by himself. And guess what, I hope 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.240 that Gil does do it, But I don't need her 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.600 to do it for me to feel good about what 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.520 happened in that show on at that table. I think 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.480 that what Jada and and Snoop did is the most 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.920 powerful expression of what black love needs to look like 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:34.679 in our community. It was accountability, that was honesty that 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.600 was loved, and I would not taint it by trying 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.960 to force on it superimposed that somebody else needs to 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:44.280 also be so that's just how at this point you 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.800 can feel how you feel. But my request for her 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.280 there takes nothing away from what she did. I commended it. 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.959 I think it was needed. But I also believe that 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:03.000 produced a network who's got a thousand lawyers that are 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.160 telling her what she can and cannot do. Kenny, But 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.199 people don't. People want to know why she asked the 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:13.840 question at all. That's it. You can't even that, you can't. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.079 There are a lot of journalists. There are a bunch 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.720 of journalists cat that have come up publicly and said 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:23.640 just certain questions that I wouldn't ask, not right now 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:31.720 like that until he was actually buried. That conversation was 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:35.360 it was too early because people and it's not that 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.960 he was He wasn't convicted of rape. So you you 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.240 want to have a conversation about an accusation that came 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:46.319 up in his history right now when him and his 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:48.720 daughter just blew up in a plane, this was I 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.680 think if you you're talking about accusations and you're having 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.840 a conversation with people that weren't there, they have no 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.280 idea about what happened in that room. None of them 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.040 have anything. They just coming to have a conversation about 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:02.880 their friend that they love, and you asked them about 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.240 accusations that they have no information. Well, I don't even 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.720 think it makes sense. I think it does nothing more 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.800 than tink the viewer's opinion of that individual. It's not 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.520 I think it's classless. You understand I'm saying, it's not like. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.960 It's not as if you're saying, well, we have to 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.720 acknowledge that Kobe was convicted of something, then maybe we 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:23.880 could we what we could do is say damn, I 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.479 don't think you should have. But it makes sense. There's 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.680 that that is part of his history, that is part 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.640 of his legacy. Was found guilty. There was enough evidence 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.280 to say that this man did something that was wrong. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:37.000 So we wanted we want to talk about him in 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.360 full bloom that we got to talk about the thing 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.800 that we acknowledge that we know he did wrong. But 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.320 to talk about something that an accusation that has not 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.560 that he was cleared up, it's classless. I don't see 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.680 it at all. But I and I also think I 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.400 think I agree with everything you just said, and I 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.520 also think that we do have an expectation of black 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:02.000 folks not to be a part of the destruction of 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.160 black men and women and and and people, and our 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.760 legacies we do have. We feel that when you go 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.040 to work, you need to know that you also are 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.200 part of this community and not just do what you're 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.440 paid to do and what you're told to do. And 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.360 I think a better way maybe to go about it 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.600 would have been to say, and perhaps in this unedited 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:25.120 clip that Gail is speaking of, you could say, you know, 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:28.040 there are folks who want to talk about this, and 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.480 I think it's early for us to be discussing it, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:35.080 but you know, I'm gonna ask you about blah blah 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.760 blah blah blah, and to ask a question, whatever the 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:42.320 question may be, but to go back and say, you 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.000 know what, she just didn't want to testify him, but 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.600 what are you thinking? And then and then she said 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.480 and then finally when when when when Lisa Leslie said, 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.000 you know, I don't I didn't see that in him. 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.640 Now you're like, well, you wouldn't see it as his friend. Okay, 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.840 Now you're you're going real far. You're not just checking 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.680 the box and making sure that you state it because 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.040 it needs to be done just for your job and 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.760 for journalism and fairness and all of that you're covering 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.560 the issue, but now you're pushing the issue. And I 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:16.840 think the reason why I agree with what my son 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.200 is saying, although I don't agree with anything else that 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:22.280 he has said here today, But the reason why I 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:25.560 agree with that one point is that if she was talking, 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:29.200 if she was talking to Kobe, then yeah, push him 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:31.760 all the way. And she was like she was talking 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.760 to r Kelly. Nobody gave a damn about what she 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.920 said to R Kelly. Push him all the way, because 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.920 you're speaking directly to the person. But when me and 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.880 if me and my child, God forbid my child and 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.440 I die, I would hope that until I'm in the grave, 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:49.000 you wouldn't go pushing my friends who are also hurting 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:53.520 to have to answer questions about an accusation that was 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:58.440 twenty something. He is like, it doesn't make sense, and 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:02.320 and and and just to ot it. The journalist who 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:05.520 when Charles Barkley said the dumbness, you know what I'm saying, 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.760 he decided he wanted to get let the journalist said 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.160 one thing and say, hey, you know we're just gonna ask. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.760 He asked one question, Charles Brockley, volunteer, What was the 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.479 question that he asked, was I forgot what he was? 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:18.720 But he was like, you know, some people are saying, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.920 should he being celebrated based right that he's a king? 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.160 Should we talk about it? Is there something you wanted? 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.360 He gave him an opportunity, and they went into the bullshit, 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.680 you know, the same I'm saying, that's that to me? 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.160 What what do you what do you mean, Charles? People 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.800 don't know. I don't know exactly to comment Charles Barkley. 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.280 Charles Barkley started to say that we're not trying to 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.800 make Kobe a haro. We know what he did, we 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.439 know what happened in Colorado. He got a blemish on 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.600 his record and and all this and and that was false. 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:51.400 But I'm talking about the journalists. The journalist who did 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.080 the interview just asked a question, Hey, what do you 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.000 think if you think it's something that should be discussed 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:59.320 or should we just like, that's a question that in journalism, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.439 ok has been people been talking about it. Let me 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.800 act to see is it and nobody else discussed it? 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:07.199 Everybody else moves going past it. That man decided to 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:11.240 talk about that, And I think that also the bigger 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:16.640 issue is that with Charles Barkley. Then the reason why 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.320 people piste off about what he said is because he 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:25.280 has a history of he has a history of saying 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.679 things and and and and and and and doing things 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:34.080 that that black folks in general feel is very disrespectful. 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.720 We feel, like, you know, he always is contrary to 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.880 our opinion or to the culture's opinion about our issues. 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.880 It seems like he's always siding with people who are 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.679 not in our communities, and he doesn't really ever represent 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:52.320 or speak well to the concerns that we have. And 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.959 I think that with Gail, I don't know that she 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.320 has that same type of history. Of course I would 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.600 never say that, but what I do understand is that 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:04.719 because of the relationship between her and the Harvey Weinstein 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:07.440 piece and how people want to see him be challenged 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:11.600 and other situations, Charlie rose and to not and for 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.080 her to do what she did, it makes people feel 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.359 like this is a repeat offense. So some of it 0:19:17.400 --> 0:19:20.360 is not just the moment. It's the it's the it's 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.480 the it's a it's a it's a fool spectrum, if 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.000 you will. And I think she's got to deal with 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.359 that period, like you know, and it's not And again 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.240 I said many times, I think Gail is a darling woman. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.000 I think she's smart, and I think she does have 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:40.040 a heart for the people. But at the same time, 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.840 we have a responsibility with all the hell that black 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:47.720 people catch every single day, to be to to be 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:52.800 aware of how we can sometimes be used as tools 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.399 and an agenda that is harmful to the very people 0:19:56.480 --> 0:20:00.520 that you come from. So what people want are gonna 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.040 want to say outside is looking in? Is that you 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.480 know there's no that that their different opinions. Charles Barkley 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.920 has an opinion. Gil may feel that question needs to 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:12.679 be asked. Everybody feels a different way, and there's freedom 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.080 of speech and just like sometimes I don't agree with 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:16.639 what you have to say, but that doesn't mean that 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.280 you don't still say it, and vice versa. So is 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.320 then when when should people speak and not speak? When? 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:25.399 When is the right time in the wrong time? I 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:28.560 mean that's the question that outsiders will ask us as 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.840 black folks. What is our expectation for the code within 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.680 our communities? Well, I think I think it's it's um, 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.880 it's visible. I think when you outside the code then 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.919 people will let you know. I think there's a moral 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.639 compass that most people have that when they hear that 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.919 you go against that moral compass, when they're hearing you 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.920 attacking the same things that go against what they believe 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.960 is morally right, that goes against what they believe a 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.639 code should be had. Because I feel that most other 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:02.639 ethnicities follow this code. They don't publicly defame each other. 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.360 They just don't even don't publicly talk about each other. 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.000 I don't really see it. I mean, I really don't 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:11.520 see it unless they unless they morally conflict, like there's 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:15.080 a moral confidence. Okay, that's what I'm trying to tell you. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.040 If you look at if you even look at in 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.399 in in office, and you know in the politics the Republicans, 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:23.520 they half of them don't agree with Trump, but they're 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:25.560 not coming out saying they're gonna like what we're doing 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.200 what he says because they just stayed on code. They 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:30.960 just figure it out. Like one person goes against the code, 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:32.800 they got them out. They don't want you here. So 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.200 that's what I'm trying to say. Blacks don't have the 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.000 Blacks have to have a level of understanding of what 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.560 is detrimental to us. So freedom of speech, you get 0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:44.600 to say what you want, but when you're saying something 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.240 that is gonna be detrimental to the way they view 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.879 my kids, you understand I'm saying when we know it's 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.320 a history, Like I said before, there's a history of 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.280 rape and black men and white women. There's a history 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.840 of most of our leaders, our kids are anything being 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:05.840