WEBVTT - Player’s Lounge: Secondary Scouting

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge,

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star.

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<v Speaker 1>Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, Hecma Harrison, and

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<v Speaker 1>Newie Shrugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Good by Tostitos, the official chip and Dip of the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys, And we're here at the taj Mahall of Football.

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<v Speaker 2>You're rocking with the best. I'm Heckmharrison, he is Danny

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<v Speaker 2>McCrae and out in Oxnard, our guy with his ear

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<v Speaker 2>to the street. Mister Newe shrugs, Newie, how are you sir?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey man, it's good they got another practice today. More

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<v Speaker 3>Pad's gonna be hitting and let's see what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll be once again Kelvin Joseph to see what

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<v Speaker 3>he is going to do in the past covers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, well, look, guys, as I always do when

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<v Speaker 2>we get started, I guess this is the wrong time

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<v Speaker 2>to check everybody's mental health. Is this a good time

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<v Speaker 2>to check everybody's mental health? I'll start with you, d Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you brother? Because you actually missed me yesterday. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good man. You know, I'm just hanging in the

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<v Speaker 2>Cancil over with So now I get to hang with

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<v Speaker 2>the boys. I missed the first couple of shows. I

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<v Speaker 2>was back last last show. Now I'm back here again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>two in a row, two in a row. We can

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<v Speaker 2>Attendance is good. But we are missing We are missing

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<v Speaker 2>Barry Church. Today. Barry is at the Dennis. He is

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<v Speaker 2>getting his diamond and crusted grill. I'm just joking at

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<v Speaker 2>the Dennis and it's gonna miss the show. But as

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<v Speaker 2>you alluded to Louis earlier, I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that I asked you about this because there's been some

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<v Speaker 2>high praise coming from ox Art about one Kelvin Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been a favorite subject of the show, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>But what did you think when you got that news,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with coming from Coach Harrison coach with.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So I chatted with Al Harris and I

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<v Speaker 3>had chatted with Joe Witt, and they both seem to

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<v Speaker 3>think that he was maturing and he was getting better.

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to give this young man every opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>make this team and be a part of the Cowboys

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<v Speaker 3>and don't forget he also is a special teamer, so

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<v Speaker 3>he has an imports on his.

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<v Speaker 2>Team now he popped as a special teamer late in

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<v Speaker 2>the season. For you, Danny, what do you think about

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<v Speaker 2>what's coming out of camp and everything that they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>about him and his chances because he's in a dog

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<v Speaker 2>fight right now. Yeah. Listen, just like yesterday when we

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<v Speaker 2>talked about these guys that are on the bubble, I

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<v Speaker 2>always say, go be best friends with the special teams coach,

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<v Speaker 2>and he has been able to. Even though he hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>played that well at cornerback, he's been able to make

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<v Speaker 2>some very impactful plays and key plays on special teams

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<v Speaker 2>that I think has allowed him to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>still get those opportunities. Now he's gonna have to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. He's gonna continue to have to be

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<v Speaker 2>a gunner on punt He's gonna continue to have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a difference maker on kickoff team for him to

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<v Speaker 2>remain on this team and then continue to get those opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>The moment that he doesn't make those players, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>moment that you stop hearing about Kevin Joseph. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>am happy to hear that he's actually playing better, and

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<v Speaker 2>the coaches are still coaching them. They have their oys

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<v Speaker 2>on them, giving them those opportunities to play on defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Because what we know about coaches is the day they

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<v Speaker 2>stop coaching you, that's when they that's when they done

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Okay, So it's good to hear that he's

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<v Speaker 2>still a special teams guy and the defensive coaches coaching

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<v Speaker 2>staff are still looking at him saying, hey, this guy's

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<v Speaker 2>getting better. We're gonna keep giving them more opportunities and

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<v Speaker 2>newly for you, obviously you're down there.

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<v Speaker 3>What you're saying is if fans get tired of players,

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<v Speaker 3>but coaches don't get tired of them, they're here to

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<v Speaker 3>coach him. Al Harris is coaching him up. So fans

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<v Speaker 3>could be frustrated about things, but at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the day, we still have to see preseason games from

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<v Speaker 3>this young man, and he is going to get every

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity to make this team, and in some ways he's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna get every opportunity to fail.

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<v Speaker 2>They are not done with him now. And knew you

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<v Speaker 2>looks at you. You actually called this Traymon Dings hundred

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars second contract. You know a few years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>back when Nolan was here and we kind of laughed

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<v Speaker 2>at you a little bit, Me and Church did. So

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<v Speaker 2>since you're so good at calling these contracts, what can

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me about the possibility of my man, Kelvin

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph getting his second contract here with the Dallas Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 3>As I just said, we got to see what he

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<v Speaker 3>does in the preseason games, We got to see what

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<v Speaker 3>everybody else does on this team. He is going to

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<v Speaker 3>get like every opportunity to fail. So until we start

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<v Speaker 3>to see the bullets flying and whatnot, Look, he's he's going.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point time, I feel like this, I think

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<v Speaker 3>he'll make the team. When's the last time they cut

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<v Speaker 3>a second round pick before it's rookie deal ended.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't think of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't think of any either. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what the bigger question is. Because you're down there in

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<v Speaker 2>Oxnard and you're able to see guys like Eric Scott

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<v Speaker 2>Junior and even Nay Shun right that competition right now,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you think that that's all forming out, especially

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<v Speaker 2>with what the coaches are saying. But what are the

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<v Speaker 2>optics telling you? Say? Again HEGNA Now I was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>what are your optics? What are the optics telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with Eric Scott Junior, Deron Bland, Nashon Wright and

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<v Speaker 2>guys like that also competing for playing time.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, they love Nashan, you know they loved Nashan and

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<v Speaker 3>Eric right as well. I mean right now when I

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of forecast and I think of Kelvin Joseph

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<v Speaker 3>being one of their top five cornerbacks, and then Wit

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<v Speaker 3>also said he's got him playing inside now, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to utilize him in several different ways. They've got

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<v Speaker 3>a great dB room, one of the deepest dB rooms

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can go back to since their Super

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<v Speaker 3>Bowl years here. So once again, preseason games are gonna

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<v Speaker 3>tell us a whole lot about what they got going.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me ask you this, Danny, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>know how many how many corners are they gonna carry

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<v Speaker 2>on the fifty three man? Listen more than they did

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<v Speaker 2>when I was playing, Okay, just because the game. What

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<v Speaker 2>was that number? I believe it was four for safeties,

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<v Speaker 2>five cornerbacks depending on practice squad. And now they're passing me,

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<v Speaker 2>passing the ball a lot more than have an extra game.

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<v Speaker 2>So I can see them carrying seven, maybe eight, but

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<v Speaker 2>not on the fifty three. But you're gonna have some

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<v Speaker 2>guys on practice squad who will be here and they

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<v Speaker 2>will be more thought of as actually playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>game versus just being those kind of experimental guys like

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<v Speaker 2>we had Teddy Williams who had played football since he

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<v Speaker 2>was in high school and they brought him as an

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<v Speaker 2>experimental guy on the practice squad. They won't have those

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<v Speaker 2>guys on the practice squad because the guys who are

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<v Speaker 2>holding nose spots will be expected to play it sometime

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<v Speaker 2>during the season. And so if you're just ranking those

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<v Speaker 2>players right now, you're looking at Gilmore Diggs, durrun Land

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<v Speaker 2>and Jordan Lewis is gonna be one of those now

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<v Speaker 2>C J. Goodwin automatically, so that I'm at five right there,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you still have Wright, Eric Scott, and then

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<v Speaker 2>Kelvin Joseph. So it may end up just being the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers thing at the end of the they knew it.

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<v Speaker 3>It may but and my big thing here, I just

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna sound like a broken record. We've seen dudes

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<v Speaker 3>be all ox darn right, maybe good out here practice, Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Look at this guy. Then it comes a preseason game

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<v Speaker 4>and it don't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's see what transplates to Jacksonville come August.

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<v Speaker 2>Twee yeah, and then you know, I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>piggyback off that a little bit about why you see

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you see it all the time, Like they always

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the all Oxen are the all camp guys, right,

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<v Speaker 2>who go in there and they do everything they care

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<v Speaker 2>during camp, and everybody comes out and says, man, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a great camp, We're not sure why he had

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<v Speaker 2>a rough season. Right. What happens in camp is that

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<v Speaker 2>you see the same stuff over and over against the

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<v Speaker 2>same players over and over again. And sometimes you see

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<v Speaker 2>the ones go through that same script that you were

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<v Speaker 2>about to go through right after that, Right, So the

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<v Speaker 2>unpredictability is not there. The needing to know the adjustments

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<v Speaker 2>as much as not there. Right. A lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>on the football field, and when the live bullets are flowing,

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<v Speaker 2>you're probably gonna see that once you saw it one

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<v Speaker 2>time when you were practicing made on film, and now

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna come up and you have to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to execute against that play. That's not how it is

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<v Speaker 2>that training camp out. That's why sometimes you see guys,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said yesterday, I'm gonna take advantage of if

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<v Speaker 2>a person in front of me made a mistake. When

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<v Speaker 2>I get out there, I know that same route with

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<v Speaker 2>the same motion's coming. I'm not making that mistake. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't get to see that when you're out there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>and love bullet's going against Aaron Rodgers or against the

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Hurts or any of those other guys that will

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<v Speaker 2>be seeing the season. So basically what you're saying is

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<v Speaker 2>you won't know the answers on the tests to come

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<v Speaker 2>down to those preseason games. But newly, I got to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you about one Zach Martin here in this

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<v Speaker 2>first segment because we're a weekend. The camp in Zact

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<v Speaker 2>is still not in Oxnard, and it's beginning to be

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. And I know that you've gotten there's been

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<v Speaker 2>some interviews with Jerry Jones, and man, just what is

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<v Speaker 2>your assessment of what's going on right now with the

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<v Speaker 2>leverage that the team is exercising?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, the team stance is simply this, they have

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<v Speaker 3>the leverage. Zach Martin doesn't have any leverage at all,

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<v Speaker 3>so he needs to come to camp. Jerry has a

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<v Speaker 3>plan about how he wants to go about paying Guys,

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<v Speaker 3>he saw it with Diggs Lamb.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it up next?

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<v Speaker 3>Dak Prescott's numbers got to get reduced. Michael Parsons is

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<v Speaker 3>coming up trying to adjust or do anything more to

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<v Speaker 3>add to Zach Martin's contract, and his mind is going

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<v Speaker 3>to disrupt what he wants to do. He's not trying

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<v Speaker 3>to pay Zach Martin.

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<v Speaker 2>I think as we list those names, we also forget

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine what happens if Tony Poler comes out here

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<v Speaker 2>and has a sixteen seventeen hundred yard season. Right, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do then? Right? So you can continue to

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<v Speaker 2>just add people who have to get paid onto this

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<v Speaker 2>list before a Zach Martin does so. Unfortun for him,

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<v Speaker 2>the team does have the leverage, and Jerry don't say

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<v Speaker 2>you know that their ramifications for if you don't, you

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<v Speaker 2>decide you don't want to show up or play play

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<v Speaker 2>during the season. So I guess we'll just have to see,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how how willing my man Zach Martin is

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<v Speaker 2>to say, you know what, I'm I'm gonna take the

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<v Speaker 2>stance and this is where I'm at. And guys, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't mean to play the devil's advocate in this situation.

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<v Speaker 2>But Josh Ball is a three year project of the

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas Cowboys, six eight, three hundred and four pounds. He

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<v Speaker 2>could be potentially your starting right guard. That doesn't bother you,

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<v Speaker 2>at least when you talk about a potential holdout going

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<v Speaker 2>into the season with Zach Martin. If you don't get

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<v Speaker 2>this resolved. He knows about this, Okay, get it.

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<v Speaker 3>But at the same time, they're willing to go into

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<v Speaker 3>the Giants game without Zach Yard if he wants to

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<v Speaker 3>continue to hold out.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, the offensive line is going to continue to be

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<v Speaker 2>an issue. So that just stacks on another issue that

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<v Speaker 2>we have the offensive line, but a guy like Zach

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<v Speaker 2>Martin who is a vet here for him to say

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<v Speaker 2>that he wants to miss games, that is totally different

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<v Speaker 2>than him not showing up the training camp. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think the ownership and his coaches are still expecting him

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<v Speaker 2>to show up sometime before the first game. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>guess what baffles me in this situation is we've already

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<v Speaker 2>seen those seasons where our offensive line hadn't been that

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<v Speaker 2>productive because of the musical chairs. God's getting hurt. Here.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a healthy Zach Martin, who the franchise has

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<v Speaker 2>played paid early and often. But you can look at

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers and see that he is what the seventh

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<v Speaker 2>highest offensive line in the league right now. If that's

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<v Speaker 2>true and he is willing to hold out, it does

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<v Speaker 2>not bowld well for the Cowboys if he takes that stance.

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<v Speaker 2>We play the first game against the Giants, who has

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<v Speaker 2>a formidable defensive line. Thibodeau guys like that. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they have some pressures that they and then the second

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<v Speaker 2>game at home versus the Jets one Quinn Williams. Come on, now,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something about this when we talk about leverage for

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<v Speaker 2>the Cowboys, and they have all the leverage. If you

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<v Speaker 2>start the season without Zack Martin. You thought that the

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<v Speaker 2>offense had some struggles last season, that's even gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>more this season without Zach Martin. Well, listen, you weigh

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<v Speaker 2>it this way. You can't you can't pay the big

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<v Speaker 2>Bazukah and you can't pay a CD lamb with what

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<v Speaker 2>they want to get paid because of Zach Martin. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you have the weigh your future versus this possible

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<v Speaker 2>possible one season to me right, Like you said, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a list of people who have to get

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<v Speaker 2>paid in his Jerry's mind, it sounds like he said,

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<v Speaker 2>if I make this move and give into what Zach

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<v Speaker 2>Martin's asking me to do, when it comes time for

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<v Speaker 2>me to offer whatever it is to ce D Lamb

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<v Speaker 2>and Michael Parsons, I'm not gonna have enough to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do that. Then I think Jerry has a

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<v Speaker 2>great argument for like, you know we're gonna hold off

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<v Speaker 2>on that you love the big Bozuka. Well, you said

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<v Speaker 2>you want Zach Martin to take somebody what I'm go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead newing when you when.

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<v Speaker 4>You start saying yourself, what what can.

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<v Speaker 2>I not live without?

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what Jerry Sucker is saying. You know, he

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<v Speaker 3>did not want to live without having he did. He

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<v Speaker 3>does not want to live without having the CD Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows he can't come in and carry Dak Prescott

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<v Speaker 3>at fifty million dollars in the next year. He knows

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<v Speaker 3>he's got He's got. These are playmakers and like Bart's playmates.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you add your your whole list here those

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<v Speaker 5>four guys who are working your team loves Zach Martin,

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<v Speaker 5>Dak Prescott, CD LAB like Marcion, you probably say that

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<v Speaker 5>parsis the quarterback and.

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<v Speaker 2>The receiver right now are going to be of more

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<v Speaker 2>importance to you man.

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<v Speaker 3>Your right bar as great as the right guard is

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<v Speaker 3>with the Hall of Fame restaurant, he's not right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They are their stances. We're not going to redo you.

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<v Speaker 4>We have paid you when you've got the deal, You've

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<v Speaker 4>got the top of the market, You've been well paid.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not trying to redo his contract with two years left.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't want to, you know. I mean, and newing

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<v Speaker 2>your your microphone has I believe it's slipped down a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit. But I agree with you. I understand that

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<v Speaker 2>they're especially in the salary cap era, that there's only

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<v Speaker 2>so much money to go around. But when I look

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<v Speaker 2>at Michael Parson's contract, he still has to he still

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<v Speaker 2>has two more years left on his contract. CD is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more pressing. I do understand that, And obviously

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to be in an out caf U

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<v Speaker 2>situation with a star wide receiver who could have a

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<v Speaker 2>monster year this season. But I have a problem with

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<v Speaker 2>the thought process that we can actually get this done

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<v Speaker 2>without Zach Martin. I mean, the leverages on both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, uh, that's that's basically what I'm what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>arguing right now, Daddy, because I don't think we have

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<v Speaker 2>any success. But but newly, I got to ask you

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<v Speaker 2>about one more player, man, before we get done with

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<v Speaker 2>this first segment, Michael Gallup. Michael Gallup has had a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty strong camp up until this point. Man. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>him make catches down there. And what's the field that

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting not only from the organization, but just from

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<v Speaker 2>what you're seeing from Michael Gallup down there?

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<v Speaker 3>If we could see the best of Michael Gallup, if

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<v Speaker 3>you've seen this time with sure, I also look at it.

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<v Speaker 2>And if people stands.

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<v Speaker 6>Helping with this scene, you're bury and then you've.

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<v Speaker 4>Talked about it, your safety's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, respect what to speak. Michael Gallup is receiving

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of scene talks. May knows this kids, you Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got as much as as out of no No, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>what we expect to see out of Michael Gallup this

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<v Speaker 2>season is to be better coming out of the break. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was the number one thing against Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Gallup because as a defender, if you know a guy

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<v Speaker 2>cannot get out of his breaks, then you can sit

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<v Speaker 2>on all his routes, right you know. So you say, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna let this guy run deep on me.

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<v Speaker 2>I know he can't run a comeback. Uh. I know

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<v Speaker 2>he's having a hard time running slants and curl routes.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the routes I'm gonna make my money.

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<v Speaker 2>Any if you watch the film from last year of

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<v Speaker 2>players playing against Michael Gallup, that's what they did. They

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<v Speaker 2>got out of the break faster than he did and

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<v Speaker 2>even got a couple interceptions off of them, off balls

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<v Speaker 2>that backed through to him because they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of that break, or they saw him having

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time getting out of that break, that one

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<v Speaker 2>extra step that it took him to get out of

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<v Speaker 2>it because he was coming off that injury and he

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't one hundred percent. That's my question. That's where That's

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<v Speaker 2>where I think this year it'll be a little different.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope it's different, because if it's not, then it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be there's gonna be a problem, man. I Coach

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<v Speaker 2>Mike McCarthy did an interview today one on five to

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<v Speaker 2>three the Fan and another radio station, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>probably as insightful as I've ever heard. Coach Mike McCarthy

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<v Speaker 2>b just talking about the offense and just the route

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<v Speaker 2>concepts and the difference between last year's offense and this

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<v Speaker 2>year's offense. He kind of alluded to exactly what you're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about right there, as far as the way that

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<v Speaker 2>defenses obviously aligned themselves to take away any vertical threat

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<v Speaker 2>from the offense. And you bring in a guy like

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Carr, he knows that the pressure is gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>on because he's a vertical guy. Yeah, excuse me out

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<v Speaker 2>to be Carr. Randony Cooks. He raised it. Randon Cooks

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that can definitely get vertical in this offense.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I hear him talk about that, and especially

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that this is going to be essentially a West

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<v Speaker 2>Coast offense, don't you think that those quicker pass concepts

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<v Speaker 2>probably bowls well better for a guy like Gallup? Uh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as you know a quick slant here. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, the issue that he had was, hey, five

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<v Speaker 2>step drop, come back, five step drop, curl right, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to push the cornerback to make them think

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<v Speaker 2>that he's going deep. And when he's not able to

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<v Speaker 2>sell that, the cornerback's like, oh, I know exactly what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on here and they're able to break down to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of that route. So yes, I think one

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<v Speaker 2>Dak getting the ball out of out of his hands

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<v Speaker 2>quicker is gonna boat well for the entire offense, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>and especially a guy like Michael Gallup until you need

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<v Speaker 2>to get those those deep balls, which I hope we

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<v Speaker 2>see the return of Michael Gallup there because when the

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<v Speaker 2>year before he got paid, that is what I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was a bright spot for him. Like he's gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>paid because he is our fifty to fifty ball guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna be able to go down the field and

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what happens, he's gonna have an opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>catch it in back, puts it up there, and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>we see that again from Michael Galla. Well, I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what, man, The national media has been fishing for

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<v Speaker 2>a Dak story, and we've been getting a few Dak stories,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be counting as interceptions or what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>with Trayvon Diggs and Dak Man. The media is blowing

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<v Speaker 2>I know you from Houston, Texas. I can't even get

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<v Speaker 2>But as a player where you've played, is this something

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<v Speaker 2>that's just common that you do or is this, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, you look at this as Trayvon Diggs losing

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<v Speaker 2>respect for that. You want to have a great team,

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<v Speaker 2>this should happen all the time. You should have your

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<v Speaker 2>best players caring about a moment so much that it

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<v Speaker 2>gets that chippy, because then it aspires the next person

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<v Speaker 2>who should have DA's back to say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm finna go out here and show these dudes that

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<v Speaker 2>I got my quarterback back. And the same thing with

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<v Speaker 2>Trayvon Diggs. Now Michael Parsons should be Anthum saying, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>where are we going with this? All right? Now, it's

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<v Speaker 2>defense versus offense for real, and that's when you get

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<v Speaker 2>some of your best reps, right when everybody's going full

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<v Speaker 2>till everybody's trying to get better and it remains respectful

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<v Speaker 2>enough to where they're not throwing blows. All right, Say

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<v Speaker 2>Travis Kelsey out there, Andy Reid got to come out

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<v Speaker 2>and say he don't like that, versus like, hey, we

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<v Speaker 2>having some really good strong competition. In football is a

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't, that's when you should be worried. And

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't have We haven't actually seen that from the

0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Cowboys in a long time. I can't remember a situation

0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:56.919
<v Speaker 2>like that it used to be a lot worse with

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<v Speaker 2>Dez and then whoever. But that's when you had guys

0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:01.240
<v Speaker 2>on there who were hungry, and they were like, I

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:02.920
<v Speaker 2>don't care. I'm gon challenge you, but it's gonna stay

0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:07.359
<v Speaker 2>out field. Louis, you saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's something that I would say. Shady McCoy and I

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:17.160
<v Speaker 3>never watched the show. I bet never watched the show,

0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 3>but they do that show in Los Angeles.

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.399
<v Speaker 4>We're a short drive up from that show.

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<v Speaker 3>If he had wanted to see or understand anything, he

0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:30.880
<v Speaker 3>could come up.

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 4>Here and do it. Ryan Clark has been here at camp.

0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:36.240
<v Speaker 4>He's seen what's going on here.

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.680
<v Speaker 3>I tweeted about dan Orlowski once again. Something else. Another

0:23:39.680 --> 0:23:42.480
<v Speaker 3>guy I don't watch. I'm like, hey, come to camp.

0:23:43.400 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 3>Ask Mike McCarthy questions, come ask DA questions. Tad will

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 3>bring them to you. Jared Bell came up here from

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.120
<v Speaker 3>USA today. He got one on one time with Jory

0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Epstein from Yahoo Sports came up here.

0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.040
<v Speaker 4>They gave them one on one time.

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<v Speaker 3>So if these guys who are saying this stuff so

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<v Speaker 3>passionately wanted to actually understand what's going on, they could

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 3>see it and have conversations with the guys about.

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 2>And Lachelle McCoy is making this that's his whole mo

0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>at this point. Click yeah, whatever you say, it sounds

0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the most ridiculous, right. And then, like I said, what

0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:19.879
<v Speaker 2>happens we come on here and say, well, Shady McCoy

0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>will say I honestly don't believe that he believes some

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that he's saying, but you know, it's

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:27.720
<v Speaker 2>working as far as getting clicks and getting a little

0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.280
<v Speaker 2>notoriety for saying whatever it is. I remember Paul Pierce

0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 2>going through the same thing. Everybody's like, oh, Paul Pierce

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.680
<v Speaker 2>saying something crazy again, right, And it was that's the

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 2>only reason, you know, Paul Pierce. Nobody was listening to

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:40.120
<v Speaker 2>him for his basketball input or knowledge. They were listening

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.600
<v Speaker 2>to see what crazy thing was he gonna say next.

0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:44.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think a lot of times that's what happens,

0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 2>especially on that show specifically, you know or Vlasky, he's

0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>on the Ryan Clark. I do watch him sometimes. I

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>think he has a little bit more he's a little

0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 2>bit more insightful than what Shady McCoy offers. And New

0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 2>either back and forth between the offense and the d

0:25:00.480 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 2>has been on full tilt and display, and I think

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>that was a mojo moment for the offense to be

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:08.520
<v Speaker 2>in the red zone and they went five for five.

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.520
<v Speaker 2>And so that's the competitive competitiveness that I think that

0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>you're asking for, that the team has that, and that

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.880
<v Speaker 2>going back and forth is it's just the nation of sports.

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:20.680
<v Speaker 2>It should be. It should be if you if you

0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 2>miss this is camp.

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.439
<v Speaker 3>So so far, I feel like this camp is going

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<v Speaker 3>the way they wanted to go. It's just interesting that

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.919
<v Speaker 3>so many people are paying attention to national folks who

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.400
<v Speaker 3>were not here versus consuming things from the writers here

0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Dallas Cowboys dot Com radio or Todd Archer over ESPN,

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 3>Clarence till Star Telegram, David Moore the Dallas Morning News

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 3>and and Calvin Watkins are watching what I'm.

0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:48.320
<v Speaker 4>Doing on Channel five.

0:25:48.359 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 3>And you know, there's there's plenty of people who do

0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:53.639
<v Speaker 3>this that are telling you what's going on, but people

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 3>want to listen to folks who are nowhere near this place.

0:25:58.160 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so clickbait, like you said, definitely definite clickbait. But

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 2>but Nuie, I got to ask you something specific to

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.200
<v Speaker 2>since we're talking about the media. The media, we're we're

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>at the Jerry Jones party at Noble and I'm sure

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 2>you drank all of the Shirley Temples that you could

0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>get your hands off. But tell me about that. Man,

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Was it a good time for you as a media member?

0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>What is it like to be in the presence of

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:21.720
<v Speaker 2>all of your your colleagues.

0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 3>It's my third time going to it. I'm not a

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 3>sushi person at all. It was always first class. The

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:33.000
<v Speaker 3>view was fantastic, so it was it was good. Got

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.400
<v Speaker 3>some good one on one conversation with the boss and.

0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was worth it. And saw d ll Hughblee

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 4>on the way out.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, another Maga sift I remember here, so it

0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:43.080
<v Speaker 3>was good.

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Did you have some sushi? I did? Okay? All right?

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah that's like yeah, yeah, a little piece. I

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:52.880
<v Speaker 2>can't trust your palate because you don't like camp of those,

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.159
<v Speaker 2>so we could we could move on from that new

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>he has no no input on the on the Yeah

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:02.240
<v Speaker 2>that's right, you know, you know he goes ely guy

0:27:02.280 --> 0:27:06.240
<v Speaker 2>goes to Nobu and doesn't enjoy all excuse but my

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.600
<v Speaker 2>ass was it good?

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 3>Hey, look man, you're not turning down free food, and

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 3>I hear it's very expensive, so I once a year

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I partake in it now, and so I went and

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 3>had it, and you know I would never go there myself,

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 3>but hey, Jerry Jones wont to.

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Have a party there.

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm going.

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 2>And knowing before we let you go, man, But just

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 2>fishing for storylines, just on your own what you've seen.

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Who is the guy that a name that you can

0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.520
<v Speaker 2>give us, maybe an underdog or underrated guy that you

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 2>can point to that you can say, hey, this guy

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 2>has been having a great camp.

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Brooks the receiver from South Carolina.

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.960
<v Speaker 3>And I measure that with let's see what happens in

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 3>preseason games. And right now we know manager likes him,

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.880
<v Speaker 3>but let's see what happens when when Jacksonville comes to town.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 2>I think I think my only question is it's going

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.159
<v Speaker 2>to continue to be this all camp. What does Mozzi

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Smith look like? Because we continue to say this, he looks.

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 3>It looks like a rookie right now looks and that's

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:14.600
<v Speaker 3>not a bad thing. It's just he just looks like

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 3>a rookie right now.

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Has he had any any any splash moments where you say,

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>all right, that's that's why we got him here, or

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:23.959
<v Speaker 2>is he just really in that learning phase right now?

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Of how to practice, how to be a professional, and

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>then learning the difference between college and the NFL.

0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 4>He's right there the latter part of what you said.

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:32.760
<v Speaker 2>He's learning.

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:33.400
<v Speaker 4>He's learning.

0:28:33.640 --> 0:28:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I need I got to see something, man, because

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>that's San Francisco. I still got nightmares two years in

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>a row, San Francisco, our ability not to stop the

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 2>running these teams that come in here and want to

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 2>run the ball. So I need, I need, I need

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you one time to come on the show and be like,

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:49.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what I saw. I saw what I needed

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>to see out of MAZI and I think we're okay.

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I sit with Nate Newton to practices

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 3>in Natives right over here behind me. So when I

0:28:56.920 --> 0:28:58.520
<v Speaker 3>get done with this, I'm gonna go right over there,

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:00.960
<v Speaker 3>sit with Nate and get his perspective on it. But

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 3>right now there's still he's a young pup, he's a

0:29:04.680 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 3>young pop So look, well new It.

0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Man. We're gonna let you do your thing because I

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>know practice is going on. But man, when we return,

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna talk about a position room that I know

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.440
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0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:19.680
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<v Speaker 2>And we're back for the final segment of the players'

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<v Speaker 2>lounge here at the Star in Frisco. Danny McCrae is

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<v Speaker 2>at the death I'm heck Maharrison. Barry Church had a

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<v Speaker 2>blow by blow, play by play of everything that was

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<v Speaker 2>going on down and Ox Snard and I wanted to

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 2>wrap this up man by talking about a position group

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>that I think that we've had a lot of questions over.

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 2>And the question has always been, obviously with Dalton Schultz

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<v Speaker 2>last year being tagged, you know what were we gonna

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.720
<v Speaker 2>what we're we going to get from that group, especially

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>with young guys like Ferguson and Hindershot now that they've

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 2>moved on from Dalton shows there's a lot of responsibility

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>now being put on that position group, especially those two

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 2>second year players. But what does the Dallas Cowboys do

0:32:19.320 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>last season? They go into the first round and excuse me,

0:32:22.840 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>second round and they go and get a tight end

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 2>themselves and Luke Skrememaker and it's a Michigan man, a

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Michigan man. But also I think everybody was a little

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 2>surprised by the pick and may have thought that there

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:38.560
<v Speaker 2>would be a tight end picked in the first round.

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<v Speaker 2>But even all of that talk surprised me because I

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 2>thought that this organization really had more faith in Jake

0:32:44.800 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>Ferguson than they did. When you think about that position room,

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>do you think of it being competitive right now or

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>do you think they're just waiting on Luke to come

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 2>back from injury When I first of all, you know,

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>in the first round, I was hoping we were offensive line, right.

0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I know some people thought we were going to go

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 2>tight end, which is fair. But when you lose a

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:06.080
<v Speaker 2>guy like Dalton Scholtz who was a big part of

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>your offense. Was he the second leading receiver on the

0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.040
<v Speaker 2>squad last season and the season before he was the

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.840
<v Speaker 2>leading receiver from the squad. So when you look at

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:16.720
<v Speaker 2>losing a guy like that and how much of the

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>offense he accounted for, you gotta find a way to

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 2>make a significant pick or in the draft or free

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>agency to make sure that you make up for that.

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's what they saw in that meeting

0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>room right now. Though I believe as far as the

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>two young guys that they have their Ferguson and Hindershot.

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 2>I think they are auditioning for that second past catching

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>role okay at this moment, because I think Schumacher is there.

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 2>They said, we're going to run the ball more. You go,

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>get you a guy who went to Michigan who they

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>specialized in running the football. That's what they did mostly,

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and he was a big part of that, being able

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 2>to block and hold the edge on some of those

0:33:56.040 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and in some cases play fullback, which we don't have

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 2>a full back. So I think he's going to be

0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 2>that versatile guy that they're waiting to get in and

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 2>he's going to be a plug and play guy as

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>soon as he's healthy and on the field. And then

0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>even hid the shot off firston is going to be hey,

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 2>when we got when we're playing twelve personnel with two

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 2>tight ends, who's going to be the blocking guy? And

0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:16.320
<v Speaker 2>then we need that guy to go out and be

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 2>able to run those routes. And I think you saw

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 2>some of that last season. You know, outside of Dalton Schultz,

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.759
<v Speaker 2>they did make a few plays. You saw that they

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 2>were able to get out there, stress the field a

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 2>little bit, have some yards after catch when they got

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>out there. So the potential is there, but not there

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:33.959
<v Speaker 2>enough for them to say, you know, we're not gonna

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>go pick this tight end up in the second round.

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I think he's going to get ninety percent of the

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>snaps and the other guys will be kind of you know,

0:34:41.480 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna get in where they fit in. And I

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 2>think last year when I saw Jake Ferguson, I was

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>in awe of his ability to run after the catch.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I thought that that made the big difference between him

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:56.399
<v Speaker 2>and Schultz. It just especially in the you know things

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:58.799
<v Speaker 2>in that he did in the red zone. But when

0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:03.799
<v Speaker 2>you just circle and underline blocking and saying that maybe that, look,

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Shoemaker's strength is going to be his ability to block

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:12.840
<v Speaker 2>versus catch the ball, and maybe these guys Jake Ferguson

0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 2>and Hindershot will be then inserted into the offense to

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 2>fulfill that part of it. I didn't see that they

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 2>were that. I mean, were they that bad at blocking

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 2>that you would have to come you'd have to bring

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 2>in a guy like Shoammaker to say that, look, he's

0:35:28.719 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna be our day one guy because he just does

0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 2>this so much better than all other guys. Well, I

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.000
<v Speaker 2>think it's one. Is he that much better at blocking

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>than they are? Not or are they that bad. I

0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 2>don't think they were necessarily bad blockers. I also think

0:35:41.400 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>when you say that you're gonna have a more of

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 2>a run based offense, having two really good tight ends

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 2>is the way to go, right. So if you have

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 2>two guys where you can stretch out, run the seams,

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and both both of those guys can get yards at

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the catch, then to me, that's a lot better than

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.879
<v Speaker 2>having a run eleven personnel out there, which is three

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>receivers until everybody that you're about to run the ball

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 2>and allowing the defense and then put Nickel out there

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 2>with three defensive backs. If you can force a team

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to have to defend out of their base coverage, then

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:12.720
<v Speaker 2>you got to win it formula. I mean it goes

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:17.359
<v Speaker 2>back to I think New England when they had Hernandez

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 2>y Gronk, right, so they'll force you to stay out

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.319
<v Speaker 2>there in your base defense and then they would let

0:36:22.320 --> 0:36:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Grink and Hernandez wrapped you up like receivers. I think

0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:27.320
<v Speaker 2>if you have the opportunity to do that here, especially

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:30.720
<v Speaker 2>with Dak loving his tight ends, and actually the Cowboys

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:33.359
<v Speaker 2>have always been that way, right ro then you got

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:35.879
<v Speaker 2>Dak with Shultz, you got Dak with whining. You give

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>him his number one guy, his security blanket, who I

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 2>think Shoemaker will be. I like it for Dak. I

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:43.959
<v Speaker 2>like that for him being able to protect the ball more.

0:36:44.520 --> 0:36:46.200
<v Speaker 2>That gives him an option for when he gets in

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>trouble and it helps you blocking, uh, you know, because

0:36:49.120 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 2>we already don't know what the offense was. Anyway, Market

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>might be playing, I mean, maybe be playing right guard

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 2>as a thing man. We're gonna go twelve personnel for

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 2>the whole gas heavy four quarters twelve personnel. But that's

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 2>an interesting conversation about the tight end room, and I

0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 2>want to see how that's going to play out, especially

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.040
<v Speaker 2>during camp. Okay, so we've talked about the cornerback position,

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 2>we talk about the guys that were on the bubble.

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that the last thing that I want to

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 2>just put your feet to the fire on, especially now

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>that we have a guy like Jalen Brooks that we

0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>know and the wide receiver position is putting h some pressure.

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.959
<v Speaker 2>He's putting some pressure. I read some good things about

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Jaylen Tober though. Okay, I read some good things about

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:32.759
<v Speaker 2>him that he's he's looking a lot better. He looks

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>he's looking more professional, and he's taking advantage of the

0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:38.719
<v Speaker 2>reps of these getting Simmy for Hoko. The only thing

0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:40.759
<v Speaker 2>I saw about Simmy Fooko was he dropped that past

0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the Dak that that ended up being in this county

0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:46.759
<v Speaker 2>is an interception against Dak, but it was really a

0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:50.160
<v Speaker 2>drop pass for interception. I've been seeing things about Jaylen

0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Tober and I'm more focused on him because of all

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>that happened last season and then all that he did

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.439
<v Speaker 2>in the preseas in the off season where he said,

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm gonna make sure I'm hanging out with Dak.

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make sure all those everything that Dak has

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:05.239
<v Speaker 2>where he's working with his receivers, I'm gonna be there.

0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be around cooks, I'm gonna be around Ceedee

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Lamb to learn how to be a professional, because he

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 2>was aware of what he did wrong. Right, So when

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>you see that and you hear him say that, and

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 2>then the news that comes out of training camp is, oh,

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 2>he looks a lot better, he looks a lot more focused.

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Then I have high expectations for him because we believe

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 2>that he was gonna be a certain player last year

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>when he got in and he knows what he did wrong.

0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 2>So now I expect to see that player that we

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.560
<v Speaker 2>had all hoped to see. So I know they're putting pressure,

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:35.640
<v Speaker 2>but I think he's gonna get number one and those

0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:38.239
<v Speaker 2>opportunities he's gonna, like I said, he's gonna have to

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 2>lose that position on his own stuff versus yeah, another

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>guy just playing better than him. If they're playing close,

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Jaylen Tobert is gonna be the guy who they're gonna

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 2>give a shot too and given every opportunity to fail

0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:55.799
<v Speaker 2>sc SC but it's gonna be up to him to

0:38:55.880 --> 0:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>make that happen. And not only him, but Jalen Moreno.

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Cooper is another player that you're hearing a lot from.

0:39:01.480 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Dennis Houston is back, a guy that's been fighting and

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.359
<v Speaker 2>staying on the fifty three, getting cut and coming back.

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 2>And he's also in the mix as well. Cavante Turpin.

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I talked about him and you quote him. You you

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>air quoted me on Cavante Turpin. But it's turping time

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's a guy that's etching out a role that

0:39:18.000 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>people have been looking for. We bought in some guys

0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:22.399
<v Speaker 2>last season to try and stretch the field, but we've

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 2>always had Kavante Turpin. So things are heating up down there,

0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>and we got a lot of guys stretching the field. Okay,

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:30.520
<v Speaker 2>we got a lot for you, everybody. Or you put

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>Kavante Turpin out there, you already got Brandy Cooks and

0:39:33.160 --> 0:39:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Michael Gallup. Okay, how many guys do you? You need

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:37.759
<v Speaker 2>some guys to run those intermediate routes, all right? And

0:39:37.800 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't see, you know, no offense to him. I

0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 2>just don't see him being the guy who you're saying

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:44.640
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the Cole Beasley type of guy. Right,

0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>That is a that is a one special type of talent. Right,

0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:48.600
<v Speaker 2>So then you're gonna put Ceede Lamb in there. You're

0:39:48.600 --> 0:39:51.799
<v Speaker 2>not putting Cavanti Turpin at number one until and run

0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 2>a go route, not not on a consistent basis. So

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>that's why I think you have a you have a

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.440
<v Speaker 2>slight issue with Wordy you put him. I think that's

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 2>why I think he's going to be, you know, straight

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 2>we a gadget guy, because Ceede Lamb is going to

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 2>be the guy in there when when you want a

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 2>slot or inside intermedia route ran, they're gonna put CD

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 2>Lamb in there because he is probably most equipped to

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 2>get open in those spaces. But the battle for the

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.799
<v Speaker 2>w R four wages on because we will find out,

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 2>especially through these preseason games, who is going to capture

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:22.600
<v Speaker 2>that spot. Man, mister, A lot going on in the show,

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.200
<v Speaker 2>a lot. You had a day, man had a day.

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.120
<v Speaker 2>We had a day, but we got through it. Be

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:30.839
<v Speaker 2>seeing you miss one. We did it for you. Hey.

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:34.520
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