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Speaker 3: Hey man, it's good they got another practice today. More
Speaker 3: Pad's gonna be hitting and let's see what they do.
Speaker 3: And I'll be once again Kelvin Joseph to see what
Speaker 3: he is going to do in the past covers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, look, guys, as I always do when
Speaker 2: we get started, I guess this is the wrong time
Speaker 2: to check everybody's mental health. Is this a good time
Speaker 2: to check everybody's mental health? I'll start with you, d Matt,
Speaker 2: how are you brother? Because you actually missed me yesterday. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm good man. You know, I'm just hanging in the
Speaker 2: Cancil over with So now I get to hang with
Speaker 2: the boys. I missed the first couple of shows. I
Speaker 2: was back last last show. Now I'm back here again. Okay,
Speaker 2: two in a row, two in a row. We can
Speaker 2: Attendance is good. But we are missing We are missing
Speaker 2: Barry Church. Today. Barry is at the Dennis. He is
Speaker 2: getting his diamond and crusted grill. I'm just joking at
Speaker 2: the Dennis and it's gonna miss the show. But as
Speaker 2: you alluded to Louis earlier, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that I asked you about this because there's been some
Speaker 2: high praise coming from ox Art about one Kelvin Joseph,
Speaker 2: and he's been a favorite subject of the show, of course,
Speaker 2: But what did you think when you got that news,
Speaker 2: especially with coming from Coach Harrison coach with.
Speaker 3: All right, So I chatted with Al Harris and I
Speaker 3: had chatted with Joe Witt, and they both seem to
Speaker 3: think that he was maturing and he was getting better.
Speaker 3: They're going to give this young man every opportunity to
Speaker 3: make this team and be a part of the Cowboys
Speaker 3: and don't forget he also is a special teamer, so
Speaker 3: he has an imports on his.
Speaker 2: Team now he popped as a special teamer late in
Speaker 2: the season. For you, Danny, what do you think about
Speaker 2: what's coming out of camp and everything that they're saying
Speaker 2: about him and his chances because he's in a dog
Speaker 2: fight right now. Yeah. Listen, just like yesterday when we
Speaker 2: talked about these guys that are on the bubble, I
Speaker 2: always say, go be best friends with the special teams coach,
Speaker 2: and he has been able to. Even though he hadn't
Speaker 2: played that well at cornerback, he's been able to make
Speaker 2: some very impactful plays and key plays on special teams
Speaker 2: that I think has allowed him to be able to
Speaker 2: still get those opportunities. Now he's gonna have to continue
Speaker 2: to do that. He's gonna continue to have to be
Speaker 2: a gunner on punt He's gonna continue to have to
Speaker 2: be a difference maker on kickoff team for him to
Speaker 2: remain on this team and then continue to get those opportunities.
Speaker 2: The moment that he doesn't make those players, that's the
Speaker 2: moment that you stop hearing about Kevin Joseph. Now I
Speaker 2: am happy to hear that he's actually playing better, and
Speaker 2: the coaches are still coaching them. They have their oys
Speaker 2: on them, giving them those opportunities to play on defense.
Speaker 2: Because what we know about coaches is the day they
Speaker 2: stop coaching you, that's when they that's when they done
Speaker 2: with you. Okay, So it's good to hear that he's
Speaker 2: still a special teams guy and the defensive coaches coaching
Speaker 2: staff are still looking at him saying, hey, this guy's
Speaker 2: getting better. We're gonna keep giving them more opportunities and
Speaker 2: newly for you, obviously you're down there.
Speaker 3: What you're saying is if fans get tired of players,
Speaker 3: but coaches don't get tired of them, they're here to
Speaker 3: coach him. Al Harris is coaching him up. So fans
Speaker 3: could be frustrated about things, but at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, we still have to see preseason games from
Speaker 3: this young man, and he is going to get every
Speaker 3: opportunity to make this team, and in some ways he's
Speaker 3: gonna get every opportunity to fail.
Speaker 2: They are not done with him now. And knew you
Speaker 2: looks at you. You actually called this Traymon Dings hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars second contract. You know a few years ago,
Speaker 2: back when Nolan was here and we kind of laughed
Speaker 2: at you a little bit, Me and Church did. So
Speaker 2: since you're so good at calling these contracts, what can
Speaker 2: you tell me about the possibility of my man, Kelvin
Speaker 2: Joseph getting his second contract here with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: As I just said, we got to see what he
Speaker 3: does in the preseason games, We got to see what
Speaker 3: everybody else does on this team. He is going to
Speaker 3: get like every opportunity to fail. So until we start
Speaker 3: to see the bullets flying and whatnot, Look, he's he's going.
Speaker 3: At this point time, I feel like this, I think
Speaker 3: he'll make the team. When's the last time they cut
Speaker 3: a second round pick before it's rookie deal ended.
Speaker 4: I can't think of it.
Speaker 2: I can't think of any either. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: what the bigger question is. Because you're down there in
Speaker 2: Oxnard and you're able to see guys like Eric Scott
Speaker 2: Junior and even Nay Shun right that competition right now,
Speaker 2: how do you think that that's all forming out, especially
Speaker 2: with what the coaches are saying. But what are the
Speaker 2: optics telling you? Say? Again HEGNA Now I was saying,
Speaker 2: what are your optics? What are the optics telling you,
Speaker 2: especially with Eric Scott Junior, Deron Bland, Nashon Wright and
Speaker 2: guys like that also competing for playing time.
Speaker 3: Look, they love Nashan, you know they loved Nashan and
Speaker 3: Eric right as well. I mean right now when I
Speaker 3: just kind of forecast and I think of Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 3: being one of their top five cornerbacks, and then Wit
Speaker 3: also said he's got him playing inside now, so they're
Speaker 3: trying to utilize him in several different ways. They've got
Speaker 3: a great dB room, one of the deepest dB rooms
Speaker 3: I think we can go back to since their Super
Speaker 3: Bowl years here. So once again, preseason games are gonna
Speaker 3: tell us a whole lot about what they got going.
Speaker 2: And let me ask you this, Danny, I mean, you
Speaker 2: know how many how many corners are they gonna carry
Speaker 2: on the fifty three man? Listen more than they did
Speaker 2: when I was playing, Okay, just because the game. What
Speaker 2: was that number? I believe it was four for safeties,
Speaker 2: five cornerbacks depending on practice squad. And now they're passing me,
Speaker 2: passing the ball a lot more than have an extra game.
Speaker 2: So I can see them carrying seven, maybe eight, but
Speaker 2: not on the fifty three. But you're gonna have some
Speaker 2: guys on practice squad who will be here and they
Speaker 2: will be more thought of as actually playing in the
Speaker 2: game versus just being those kind of experimental guys like
Speaker 2: we had Teddy Williams who had played football since he
Speaker 2: was in high school and they brought him as an
Speaker 2: experimental guy on the practice squad. They won't have those
Speaker 2: guys on the practice squad because the guys who are
Speaker 2: holding nose spots will be expected to play it sometime
Speaker 2: during the season. And so if you're just ranking those
Speaker 2: players right now, you're looking at Gilmore Diggs, durrun Land
Speaker 2: and Jordan Lewis is gonna be one of those now
Speaker 2: C J. Goodwin automatically, so that I'm at five right there,
Speaker 2: and then you still have Wright, Eric Scott, and then
Speaker 2: Kelvin Joseph. So it may end up just being the
Speaker 2: numbers thing at the end of the they knew it.
Speaker 3: It may but and my big thing here, I just
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sound like a broken record. We've seen dudes
Speaker 3: be all ox darn right, maybe good out here practice, Wow,
Speaker 3: this guy.
Speaker 4: Look at this guy. Then it comes a preseason game
Speaker 4: and it don't happen.
Speaker 3: So let's see what transplates to Jacksonville come August.
Speaker 2: Twee yeah, and then you know, I just want to
Speaker 2: piggyback off that a little bit about why you see
Speaker 2: sometimes you see it all the time, Like they always
Speaker 2: talk about the all Oxen are the all camp guys, right,
Speaker 2: who go in there and they do everything they care
Speaker 2: during camp, and everybody comes out and says, man, he
Speaker 2: had a great camp, We're not sure why he had
Speaker 2: a rough season. Right. What happens in camp is that
Speaker 2: you see the same stuff over and over against the
Speaker 2: same players over and over again. And sometimes you see
Speaker 2: the ones go through that same script that you were
Speaker 2: about to go through right after that, Right, So the
Speaker 2: unpredictability is not there. The needing to know the adjustments
Speaker 2: as much as not there. Right. A lot of times
Speaker 2: on the football field, and when the live bullets are flowing,
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna see that once you saw it one
Speaker 2: time when you were practicing made on film, and now
Speaker 2: it's gonna come up and you have to be able
Speaker 2: to execute against that play. That's not how it is
Speaker 2: that training camp out. That's why sometimes you see guys,
Speaker 2: like I said yesterday, I'm gonna take advantage of if
Speaker 2: a person in front of me made a mistake. When
Speaker 2: I get out there, I know that same route with
Speaker 2: the same motion's coming. I'm not making that mistake. You
Speaker 2: don't get to see that when you're out there. You know,
Speaker 2: and love bullet's going against Aaron Rodgers or against the
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts or any of those other guys that will
Speaker 2: be seeing the season. So basically what you're saying is
Speaker 2: you won't know the answers on the tests to come
Speaker 2: down to those preseason games. But newly, I got to
Speaker 2: talk to you about one Zach Martin here in this
Speaker 2: first segment because we're a weekend. The camp in Zact
Speaker 2: is still not in Oxnard, and it's beginning to be
Speaker 2: a problem. And I know that you've gotten there's been
Speaker 2: some interviews with Jerry Jones, and man, just what is
Speaker 2: your assessment of what's going on right now with the
Speaker 2: leverage that the team is exercising?
Speaker 3: All right, the team stance is simply this, they have
Speaker 3: the leverage. Zach Martin doesn't have any leverage at all,
Speaker 3: so he needs to come to camp. Jerry has a
Speaker 3: plan about how he wants to go about paying Guys,
Speaker 3: he saw it with Diggs Lamb.
Speaker 4: Is it up next?
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott's numbers got to get reduced. Michael Parsons is
Speaker 3: coming up trying to adjust or do anything more to
Speaker 3: add to Zach Martin's contract, and his mind is going
Speaker 3: to disrupt what he wants to do. He's not trying
Speaker 3: to pay Zach Martin.
Speaker 2: I think as we list those names, we also forget
Speaker 2: to imagine what happens if Tony Poler comes out here
Speaker 2: and has a sixteen seventeen hundred yard season. Right, what
Speaker 2: do you do then? Right? So you can continue to
Speaker 2: just add people who have to get paid onto this
Speaker 2: list before a Zach Martin does so. Unfortun for him,
Speaker 2: the team does have the leverage, and Jerry don't say
Speaker 2: you know that their ramifications for if you don't, you
Speaker 2: decide you don't want to show up or play play
Speaker 2: during the season. So I guess we'll just have to see,
Speaker 2: you know, how how willing my man Zach Martin is
Speaker 2: to say, you know what, I'm I'm gonna take the
Speaker 2: stance and this is where I'm at. And guys, I
Speaker 2: don't mean to play the devil's advocate in this situation.
Speaker 2: But Josh Ball is a three year project of the
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, six eight, three hundred and four pounds. He
Speaker 2: could be potentially your starting right guard. That doesn't bother you,
Speaker 2: at least when you talk about a potential holdout going
Speaker 2: into the season with Zach Martin. If you don't get
Speaker 2: this resolved. He knows about this, Okay, get it.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, they're willing to go into
Speaker 3: the Giants game without Zach Yard if he wants to
Speaker 3: continue to hold out.
Speaker 2: Listen, the offensive line is going to continue to be
Speaker 2: an issue. So that just stacks on another issue that
Speaker 2: we have the offensive line, but a guy like Zach
Speaker 2: Martin who is a vet here for him to say
Speaker 2: that he wants to miss games, that is totally different
Speaker 2: than him not showing up the training camp. So I
Speaker 2: think the ownership and his coaches are still expecting him
Speaker 2: to show up sometime before the first game. Look, I
Speaker 2: guess what baffles me in this situation is we've already
Speaker 2: seen those seasons where our offensive line hadn't been that
Speaker 2: productive because of the musical chairs. God's getting hurt. Here.
Speaker 2: You have a healthy Zach Martin, who the franchise has
Speaker 2: played paid early and often. But you can look at
Speaker 2: the numbers and see that he is what the seventh
Speaker 2: highest offensive line in the league right now. If that's
Speaker 2: true and he is willing to hold out, it does
Speaker 2: not bowld well for the Cowboys if he takes that stance.
Speaker 2: We play the first game against the Giants, who has
Speaker 2: a formidable defensive line. Thibodeau guys like that. I mean
Speaker 2: they have some pressures that they and then the second
Speaker 2: game at home versus the Jets one Quinn Williams. Come on, now,
Speaker 2: there's something about this when we talk about leverage for
Speaker 2: the Cowboys, and they have all the leverage. If you
Speaker 2: start the season without Zack Martin. You thought that the
Speaker 2: offense had some struggles last season, that's even gonna be
Speaker 2: more this season without Zach Martin. Well, listen, you weigh
Speaker 2: it this way. You can't you can't pay the big
Speaker 2: Bazukah and you can't pay a CD lamb with what
Speaker 2: they want to get paid because of Zach Martin. You know,
Speaker 2: like you have the weigh your future versus this possible
Speaker 2: possible one season to me right, Like you said, there's
Speaker 2: a there's a list of people who have to get
Speaker 2: paid in his Jerry's mind, it sounds like he said,
Speaker 2: if I make this move and give into what Zach
Speaker 2: Martin's asking me to do, when it comes time for
Speaker 2: me to offer whatever it is to ce D Lamb
Speaker 2: and Michael Parsons, I'm not gonna have enough to be
Speaker 2: able to do that. Then I think Jerry has a
Speaker 2: great argument for like, you know we're gonna hold off
Speaker 2: on that you love the big Bozuka. Well, you said
Speaker 2: you want Zach Martin to take somebody what I'm go
Speaker 2: ahead newing when you when.
Speaker 4: You start saying yourself, what what can.
Speaker 2: I not live without?
Speaker 3: And that's what Jerry Sucker is saying. You know, he
Speaker 3: did not want to live without having he did. He
Speaker 3: does not want to live without having the CD Lamb.
Speaker 3: He knows he can't come in and carry Dak Prescott
Speaker 3: at fifty million dollars in the next year. He knows
Speaker 3: he's got He's got. These are playmakers and like Bart's playmates.
Speaker 5: So if you add your your whole list here those
Speaker 5: four guys who are working your team loves Zach Martin,
Speaker 5: Dak Prescott, CD LAB like Marcion, you probably say that
Speaker 5: parsis the quarterback and.
Speaker 2: The receiver right now are going to be of more
Speaker 2: importance to you man.
Speaker 3: Your right bar as great as the right guard is
Speaker 3: with the Hall of Fame restaurant, he's not right now.
Speaker 2: They are their stances. We're not going to redo you.
Speaker 4: We have paid you when you've got the deal, You've
Speaker 4: got the top of the market, You've been well paid.
Speaker 3: They're not trying to redo his contract with two years left.
Speaker 2: Just don't want to, you know. I mean, and newing
Speaker 2: your your microphone has I believe it's slipped down a
Speaker 2: little bit. But I agree with you. I understand that
Speaker 2: they're especially in the salary cap era, that there's only
Speaker 2: so much money to go around. But when I look
Speaker 2: at Michael Parson's contract, he still has to he still
Speaker 2: has two more years left on his contract. CD is
Speaker 2: a lot more pressing. I do understand that, And obviously
Speaker 2: you don't want to be in an out caf U
Speaker 2: situation with a star wide receiver who could have a
Speaker 2: monster year this season. But I have a problem with
Speaker 2: the thought process that we can actually get this done
Speaker 2: without Zach Martin. I mean, the leverages on both sides.
Speaker 2: For me, uh, that's that's basically what I'm what I'm
Speaker 2: arguing right now, Daddy, because I don't think we have
Speaker 2: any success. But but newly, I got to ask you
Speaker 2: about one more player, man, before we get done with
Speaker 2: this first segment, Michael Gallup. Michael Gallup has had a
Speaker 2: pretty strong camp up until this point. Man. We're seeing
Speaker 2: him make catches down there. And what's the field that
Speaker 2: you're getting not only from the organization, but just from
Speaker 2: what you're seeing from Michael Gallup down there?
Speaker 3: If we could see the best of Michael Gallup, if
Speaker 3: you've seen this time with sure, I also look at it.
Speaker 2: And if people stands.
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Speaker 4: Talked about it, your safety's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: You know, respect what to speak. Michael Gallup is receiving
Speaker 2: a lot of scene talks. May knows this kids, you Yeah,
Speaker 2: I got as much as as out of no No, listen,
Speaker 2: what we expect to see out of Michael Gallup this
Speaker 2: season is to be better coming out of the break. Really,
Speaker 2: I think that was the number one thing against Michael
Speaker 2: Gallup because as a defender, if you know a guy
Speaker 2: cannot get out of his breaks, then you can sit
Speaker 2: on all his routes, right you know. So you say, man,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let this guy run deep on me.
Speaker 2: I know he can't run a comeback. Uh. I know
Speaker 2: he's having a hard time running slants and curl routes.
Speaker 2: So those are the routes I'm gonna make my money.
Speaker 2: Any if you watch the film from last year of
Speaker 2: players playing against Michael Gallup, that's what they did. They
Speaker 2: got out of the break faster than he did and
Speaker 2: even got a couple interceptions off of them, off balls
Speaker 2: that backed through to him because they were able to
Speaker 2: get out of that break, or they saw him having
Speaker 2: a hard time getting out of that break, that one
Speaker 2: extra step that it took him to get out of
Speaker 2: it because he was coming off that injury and he
Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent. That's my question. That's where That's
Speaker 2: where I think this year it'll be a little different.
Speaker 2: I hope it's different, because if it's not, then it's
Speaker 2: gonna be there's gonna be a problem, man. I Coach
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy did an interview today one on five to
Speaker 2: three the Fan and another radio station, but he was
Speaker 2: probably as insightful as I've ever heard. Coach Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: b just talking about the offense and just the route
Speaker 2: concepts and the difference between last year's offense and this
Speaker 2: year's offense. He kind of alluded to exactly what you're
Speaker 2: talking about right there, as far as the way that
Speaker 2: defenses obviously aligned themselves to take away any vertical threat
Speaker 2: from the offense. And you bring in a guy like
Speaker 2: Brandon Carr, he knows that the pressure is gonna be
Speaker 2: on because he's a vertical guy. Yeah, excuse me out
Speaker 2: to be Carr. Randony Cooks. He raised it. Randon Cooks
Speaker 2: a guy that can definitely get vertical in this offense.
Speaker 2: But when I hear him talk about that, and especially
Speaker 2: knowing that this is going to be essentially a West
Speaker 2: Coast offense, don't you think that those quicker pass concepts
Speaker 2: probably bowls well better for a guy like Gallup? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 2: as long as you know a quick slant here. Like
Speaker 2: I said, the issue that he had was, hey, five
Speaker 2: step drop, come back, five step drop, curl right, and
Speaker 2: he's trying to push the cornerback to make them think
Speaker 2: that he's going deep. And when he's not able to
Speaker 2: sell that, the cornerback's like, oh, I know exactly what's
Speaker 2: going on here and they're able to break down to
Speaker 2: get out of that route. So yes, I think one
Speaker 2: Dak getting the ball out of out of his hands
Speaker 2: quicker is gonna boat well for the entire offense, all right,
Speaker 2: and especially a guy like Michael Gallup until you need
Speaker 2: to get those those deep balls, which I hope we
Speaker 2: see the return of Michael Gallup there because when the
Speaker 2: year before he got paid, that is what I thought
Speaker 2: was a bright spot for him. Like he's gonna get
Speaker 2: paid because he is our fifty to fifty ball guy.
Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to go down the field and
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, he's gonna have an opportunity to
Speaker 2: catch it in back, puts it up there, and hopefully
Speaker 2: we see that again from Michael Galla. Well, I'll tell
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Speaker 2: a Dak story, and we've been getting a few Dak stories,
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Speaker 2: death dumb and blind to have not seen all of
Speaker 2: the media attention that Trayvon Diggs and d are getting.
Speaker 2: And look, I don't want to call no names, Shady McCoy. Now,
Speaker 2: there's some guys out there that are saying some things
Speaker 2: that I just believe are reckless in the media about
Speaker 2: something just as small as two guys jawing at each other. Now,
Speaker 2: I know you from Houston, Texas. I can't even get
Speaker 2: halfway in the studio without you saying something to me.
Speaker 2: But as a player where you've played, is this something
Speaker 2: that's just common that you do or is this, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you look at this as Trayvon Diggs losing
Speaker 2: respect for that. You want to have a great team,
Speaker 2: this should happen all the time. You should have your
Speaker 2: best players caring about a moment so much that it
Speaker 2: gets that chippy, because then it aspires the next person
Speaker 2: who should have DA's back to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm finna go out here and show these dudes that
Speaker 2: I got my quarterback back. And the same thing with
Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs. Now Michael Parsons should be Anthum saying, oh, wait,
Speaker 2: where are we going with this? All right? Now, it's
Speaker 2: defense versus offense for real, and that's when you get
Speaker 2: some of your best reps, right when everybody's going full
Speaker 2: till everybody's trying to get better and it remains respectful
Speaker 2: enough to where they're not throwing blows. All right, Say
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey out there, Andy Reid got to come out
Speaker 2: and say he don't like that, versus like, hey, we
Speaker 2: having some really good strong competition. In football is a
Speaker 2: physical sport. You're gonna have some of that sometimes, and
Speaker 2: if you don't, that's when you should be worried. And
Speaker 2: we haven't have We haven't actually seen that from the
Speaker 2: Cowboys in a long time. I can't remember a situation
Speaker 2: like that it used to be a lot worse with
Speaker 2: Dez and then whoever. But that's when you had guys
Speaker 2: on there who were hungry, and they were like, I
Speaker 2: don't care. I'm gon challenge you, but it's gonna stay
Speaker 2: out field. Louis, you saw it.
Speaker 3: Here's something that I would say. Shady McCoy and I
Speaker 3: never watched the show. I bet never watched the show,
Speaker 3: but they do that show in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4: We're a short drive up from that show.
Speaker 3: If he had wanted to see or understand anything, he
Speaker 3: could come up.
Speaker 4: Here and do it. Ryan Clark has been here at camp.
Speaker 4: He's seen what's going on here.
Speaker 3: I tweeted about dan Orlowski once again. Something else. Another
Speaker 3: guy I don't watch. I'm like, hey, come to camp.
Speaker 3: Ask Mike McCarthy questions, come ask DA questions. Tad will
Speaker 3: bring them to you. Jared Bell came up here from
Speaker 3: USA today. He got one on one time with Jory
Speaker 3: Epstein from Yahoo Sports came up here.
Speaker 4: They gave them one on one time.
Speaker 3: So if these guys who are saying this stuff so
Speaker 3: passionately wanted to actually understand what's going on, they could
Speaker 3: see it and have conversations with the guys about.
Speaker 2: And Lachelle McCoy is making this that's his whole mo
Speaker 2: at this point. Click yeah, whatever you say, it sounds
Speaker 2: the most ridiculous, right. And then, like I said, what
Speaker 2: happens we come on here and say, well, Shady McCoy
Speaker 2: will say I honestly don't believe that he believes some
Speaker 2: of the stuff that he's saying, but you know, it's
Speaker 2: working as far as getting clicks and getting a little
Speaker 2: notoriety for saying whatever it is. I remember Paul Pierce
Speaker 2: going through the same thing. Everybody's like, oh, Paul Pierce
Speaker 2: saying something crazy again, right, And it was that's the
Speaker 2: only reason, you know, Paul Pierce. Nobody was listening to
Speaker 2: him for his basketball input or knowledge. They were listening
Speaker 2: to see what crazy thing was he gonna say next.
Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times that's what happens,
Speaker 2: especially on that show specifically, you know or Vlasky, he's
Speaker 2: on the Ryan Clark. I do watch him sometimes. I
Speaker 2: think he has a little bit more he's a little
Speaker 2: bit more insightful than what Shady McCoy offers. And New
Speaker 2: either back and forth between the offense and the d
Speaker 2: has been on full tilt and display, and I think
Speaker 2: that was a mojo moment for the offense to be
Speaker 2: in the red zone and they went five for five.
Speaker 2: And so that's the competitive competitiveness that I think that
Speaker 2: you're asking for, that the team has that, and that
Speaker 2: going back and forth is it's just the nation of sports.
Speaker 2: It should be. It should be if you if you
Speaker 2: miss this is camp.
Speaker 3: So so far, I feel like this camp is going
Speaker 3: the way they wanted to go. It's just interesting that
Speaker 3: so many people are paying attention to national folks who
Speaker 3: were not here versus consuming things from the writers here
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys dot Com radio or Todd Archer over ESPN,
Speaker 3: Clarence till Star Telegram, David Moore the Dallas Morning News
Speaker 3: and and Calvin Watkins are watching what I'm.
Speaker 4: Doing on Channel five.
Speaker 3: And you know, there's there's plenty of people who do
Speaker 3: this that are telling you what's going on, but people
Speaker 3: want to listen to folks who are nowhere near this place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so clickbait, like you said, definitely definite clickbait. But
Speaker 2: but Nuie, I got to ask you something specific to
Speaker 2: since we're talking about the media. The media, we're we're
Speaker 2: at the Jerry Jones party at Noble and I'm sure
Speaker 2: you drank all of the Shirley Temples that you could
Speaker 2: get your hands off. But tell me about that. Man,
Speaker 2: Was it a good time for you as a media member?
Speaker 2: What is it like to be in the presence of
Speaker 2: all of your your colleagues.
Speaker 3: It's my third time going to it. I'm not a
Speaker 3: sushi person at all. It was always first class. The
Speaker 3: view was fantastic, so it was it was good. Got
Speaker 3: some good one on one conversation with the boss and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was worth it. And saw d ll Hughblee
Speaker 4: on the way out.
Speaker 3: You know, another Maga sift I remember here, so it
Speaker 3: was good.
Speaker 2: Did you have some sushi? I did? Okay? All right?
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah that's like yeah, yeah, a little piece. I
Speaker 2: can't trust your palate because you don't like camp of those,
Speaker 2: so we could we could move on from that new
Speaker 2: he has no no input on the on the Yeah
Speaker 2: that's right, you know, you know he goes ely guy
Speaker 2: goes to Nobu and doesn't enjoy all excuse but my
Speaker 2: ass was it good?
Speaker 3: Hey, look man, you're not turning down free food, and
Speaker 3: I hear it's very expensive, so I once a year
Speaker 3: I partake in it now, and so I went and
Speaker 3: had it, and you know I would never go there myself,
Speaker 3: but hey, Jerry Jones wont to.
Speaker 2: Have a party there.
Speaker 4: I'm going.
Speaker 2: And knowing before we let you go, man, But just
Speaker 2: fishing for storylines, just on your own what you've seen.
Speaker 2: Who is the guy that a name that you can
Speaker 2: give us, maybe an underdog or underrated guy that you
Speaker 2: can point to that you can say, hey, this guy
Speaker 2: has been having a great camp.
Speaker 4: Brooks the receiver from South Carolina.
Speaker 3: And I measure that with let's see what happens in
Speaker 3: preseason games. And right now we know manager likes him,
Speaker 3: but let's see what happens when when Jacksonville comes to town.
Speaker 2: I think I think my only question is it's going
Speaker 2: to continue to be this all camp. What does Mozzi
Speaker 2: Smith look like? Because we continue to say this, he looks.
Speaker 3: It looks like a rookie right now looks and that's
Speaker 3: not a bad thing. It's just he just looks like
Speaker 3: a rookie right now.
Speaker 2: Has he had any any any splash moments where you say,
Speaker 2: all right, that's that's why we got him here, or
Speaker 2: is he just really in that learning phase right now?
Speaker 2: Of how to practice, how to be a professional, and
Speaker 2: then learning the difference between college and the NFL.
Speaker 4: He's right there the latter part of what you said.
Speaker 2: He's learning.
Speaker 4: He's learning.
Speaker 2: Okay, I need I got to see something, man, because
Speaker 2: that's San Francisco. I still got nightmares two years in
Speaker 2: a row, San Francisco, our ability not to stop the
Speaker 2: running these teams that come in here and want to
Speaker 2: run the ball. So I need, I need, I need
Speaker 2: you one time to come on the show and be like,
Speaker 2: you know what I saw. I saw what I needed
Speaker 2: to see out of MAZI and I think we're okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I sit with Nate Newton to practices
Speaker 3: in Natives right over here behind me. So when I
Speaker 3: get done with this, I'm gonna go right over there,
Speaker 3: sit with Nate and get his perspective on it. But
Speaker 3: right now there's still he's a young pup, he's a
Speaker 3: young pop So look, well new It.
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Speaker 1: Back to the Players Lounge.
Speaker 2: And we're back for the final segment of the players'
Speaker 2: lounge here at the Star in Frisco. Danny McCrae is
Speaker 2: at the death I'm heck Maharrison. Barry Church had a
Speaker 2: dental appointment. That's what car is going to be, a
Speaker 2: dental appointment. We had Newest Drugs on giving us the
Speaker 2: blow by blow, play by play of everything that was
Speaker 2: going on down and Ox Snard and I wanted to
Speaker 2: wrap this up man by talking about a position group
Speaker 2: that I think that we've had a lot of questions over.
Speaker 2: And the question has always been, obviously with Dalton Schultz
Speaker 2: last year being tagged, you know what were we gonna
Speaker 2: what we're we going to get from that group, especially
Speaker 2: with young guys like Ferguson and Hindershot now that they've
Speaker 2: moved on from Dalton shows there's a lot of responsibility
Speaker 2: now being put on that position group, especially those two
Speaker 2: second year players. But what does the Dallas Cowboys do
Speaker 2: last season? They go into the first round and excuse me,
Speaker 2: second round and they go and get a tight end
Speaker 2: themselves and Luke Skrememaker and it's a Michigan man, a
Speaker 2: Michigan man. But also I think everybody was a little
Speaker 2: surprised by the pick and may have thought that there
Speaker 2: would be a tight end picked in the first round.
Speaker 2: But even all of that talk surprised me because I
Speaker 2: thought that this organization really had more faith in Jake
Speaker 2: Ferguson than they did. When you think about that position room,
Speaker 2: do you think of it being competitive right now or
Speaker 2: do you think they're just waiting on Luke to come
Speaker 2: back from injury When I first of all, you know,
Speaker 2: in the first round, I was hoping we were offensive line, right.
Speaker 2: I know some people thought we were going to go
Speaker 2: tight end, which is fair. But when you lose a
Speaker 2: guy like Dalton Scholtz who was a big part of
Speaker 2: your offense. Was he the second leading receiver on the
Speaker 2: squad last season and the season before he was the
Speaker 2: leading receiver from the squad. So when you look at
Speaker 2: losing a guy like that and how much of the
Speaker 2: offense he accounted for, you gotta find a way to
Speaker 2: make a significant pick or in the draft or free
Speaker 2: agency to make sure that you make up for that.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what they saw in that meeting
Speaker 2: room right now. Though I believe as far as the
Speaker 2: two young guys that they have their Ferguson and Hindershot.
Speaker 2: I think they are auditioning for that second past catching
Speaker 2: role okay at this moment, because I think Schumacher is there.
Speaker 2: They said, we're going to run the ball more. You go,
Speaker 2: get you a guy who went to Michigan who they
Speaker 2: specialized in running the football. That's what they did mostly,
Speaker 2: and he was a big part of that, being able
Speaker 2: to block and hold the edge on some of those
Speaker 2: and in some cases play fullback, which we don't have
Speaker 2: a full back. So I think he's going to be
Speaker 2: that versatile guy that they're waiting to get in and
Speaker 2: he's going to be a plug and play guy as
Speaker 2: soon as he's healthy and on the field. And then
Speaker 2: even hid the shot off firston is going to be hey,
Speaker 2: when we got when we're playing twelve personnel with two
Speaker 2: tight ends, who's going to be the blocking guy? And
Speaker 2: then we need that guy to go out and be
Speaker 2: able to run those routes. And I think you saw
Speaker 2: some of that last season. You know, outside of Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 2: they did make a few plays. You saw that they
Speaker 2: were able to get out there, stress the field a
Speaker 2: little bit, have some yards after catch when they got
Speaker 2: out there. So the potential is there, but not there
Speaker 2: enough for them to say, you know, we're not gonna
Speaker 2: go pick this tight end up in the second round.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get ninety percent of the
Speaker 2: snaps and the other guys will be kind of you know,
Speaker 2: they're gonna get in where they fit in. And I
Speaker 2: think last year when I saw Jake Ferguson, I was
Speaker 2: in awe of his ability to run after the catch.
Speaker 2: I thought that that made the big difference between him
Speaker 2: and Schultz. It just especially in the you know things
Speaker 2: in that he did in the red zone. But when
Speaker 2: you just circle and underline blocking and saying that maybe that, look,
Speaker 2: Shoemaker's strength is going to be his ability to block
Speaker 2: versus catch the ball, and maybe these guys Jake Ferguson
Speaker 2: and Hindershot will be then inserted into the offense to
Speaker 2: fulfill that part of it. I didn't see that they
Speaker 2: were that. I mean, were they that bad at blocking
Speaker 2: that you would have to come you'd have to bring
Speaker 2: in a guy like Shoammaker to say that, look, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be our day one guy because he just does
Speaker 2: this so much better than all other guys. Well, I
Speaker 2: think it's one. Is he that much better at blocking
Speaker 2: than they are? Not or are they that bad. I
Speaker 2: don't think they were necessarily bad blockers. I also think
Speaker 2: when you say that you're gonna have a more of
Speaker 2: a run based offense, having two really good tight ends
Speaker 2: is the way to go, right. So if you have
Speaker 2: two guys where you can stretch out, run the seams,
Speaker 2: and both both of those guys can get yards at
Speaker 2: the catch, then to me, that's a lot better than
Speaker 2: having a run eleven personnel out there, which is three
Speaker 2: receivers until everybody that you're about to run the ball
Speaker 2: and allowing the defense and then put Nickel out there
Speaker 2: with three defensive backs. If you can force a team
Speaker 2: to have to defend out of their base coverage, then
Speaker 2: you got to win it formula. I mean it goes
Speaker 2: back to I think New England when they had Hernandez
Speaker 2: y Gronk, right, so they'll force you to stay out
Speaker 2: there in your base defense and then they would let
Speaker 2: Grink and Hernandez wrapped you up like receivers. I think
Speaker 2: if you have the opportunity to do that here, especially
Speaker 2: with Dak loving his tight ends, and actually the Cowboys
Speaker 2: have always been that way, right ro then you got
Speaker 2: Dak with Shultz, you got Dak with whining. You give
Speaker 2: him his number one guy, his security blanket, who I
Speaker 2: think Shoemaker will be. I like it for Dak. I
Speaker 2: like that for him being able to protect the ball more.
Speaker 2: That gives him an option for when he gets in
Speaker 2: trouble and it helps you blocking, uh, you know, because
Speaker 2: we already don't know what the offense was. Anyway, Market
Speaker 2: might be playing, I mean, maybe be playing right guard
Speaker 2: as a thing man. We're gonna go twelve personnel for
Speaker 2: the whole gas heavy four quarters twelve personnel. But that's
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation about the tight end room, and I
Speaker 2: want to see how that's going to play out, especially
Speaker 2: during camp. Okay, so we've talked about the cornerback position,
Speaker 2: we talk about the guys that were on the bubble.
Speaker 2: I think that the last thing that I want to
Speaker 2: just put your feet to the fire on, especially now
Speaker 2: that we have a guy like Jalen Brooks that we
Speaker 2: know and the wide receiver position is putting h some pressure.
Speaker 2: He's putting some pressure. I read some good things about
Speaker 2: Jaylen Tober though. Okay, I read some good things about
Speaker 2: him that he's he's looking a lot better. He looks
Speaker 2: he's looking more professional, and he's taking advantage of the
Speaker 2: reps of these getting Simmy for Hoko. The only thing
Speaker 2: I saw about Simmy Fooko was he dropped that past
Speaker 2: the Dak that that ended up being in this county
Speaker 2: is an interception against Dak, but it was really a
Speaker 2: drop pass for interception. I've been seeing things about Jaylen
Speaker 2: Tober and I'm more focused on him because of all
Speaker 2: that happened last season and then all that he did
Speaker 2: in the preseas in the off season where he said,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna make sure I'm hanging out with Dak.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure all those everything that Dak has
Speaker 2: where he's working with his receivers, I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be around cooks, I'm gonna be around Ceedee
Speaker 2: Lamb to learn how to be a professional, because he
Speaker 2: was aware of what he did wrong. Right, So when
Speaker 2: you see that and you hear him say that, and
Speaker 2: then the news that comes out of training camp is, oh,
Speaker 2: he looks a lot better, he looks a lot more focused.
Speaker 2: Then I have high expectations for him because we believe
Speaker 2: that he was gonna be a certain player last year
Speaker 2: when he got in and he knows what he did wrong.
Speaker 2: So now I expect to see that player that we
Speaker 2: had all hoped to see. So I know they're putting pressure,
Speaker 2: but I think he's gonna get number one and those
Speaker 2: opportunities he's gonna, like I said, he's gonna have to
Speaker 2: lose that position on his own stuff versus yeah, another
Speaker 2: guy just playing better than him. If they're playing close,
Speaker 2: Jaylen Tobert is gonna be the guy who they're gonna
Speaker 2: give a shot too and given every opportunity to fail
Speaker 2: sc SC but it's gonna be up to him to
Speaker 2: make that happen. And not only him, but Jalen Moreno.
Speaker 2: Cooper is another player that you're hearing a lot from.
Speaker 2: Dennis Houston is back, a guy that's been fighting and
Speaker 2: staying on the fifty three, getting cut and coming back.
Speaker 2: And he's also in the mix as well. Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 2: I talked about him and you quote him. You you
Speaker 2: air quoted me on Cavante Turpin. But it's turping time
Speaker 2: and he's a guy that's etching out a role that
Speaker 2: people have been looking for. We bought in some guys
Speaker 2: last season to try and stretch the field, but we've
Speaker 2: always had Kavante Turpin. So things are heating up down there,
Speaker 2: and we got a lot of guys stretching the field. Okay,
Speaker 2: we got a lot for you, everybody. Or you put
Speaker 2: Kavante Turpin out there, you already got Brandy Cooks and
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup. Okay, how many guys do you? You need
Speaker 2: some guys to run those intermediate routes, all right? And
Speaker 2: I don't see, you know, no offense to him. I
Speaker 2: just don't see him being the guy who you're saying
Speaker 2: is going to be the Cole Beasley type of guy. Right,
Speaker 2: That is a that is a one special type of talent. Right,
Speaker 2: So then you're gonna put Ceede Lamb in there. You're
Speaker 2: not putting Cavanti Turpin at number one until and run
Speaker 2: a go route, not not on a consistent basis. So
Speaker 2: that's why I think you have a you have a
Speaker 2: slight issue with Wordy you put him. I think that's
Speaker 2: why I think he's going to be, you know, straight
Speaker 2: we a gadget guy, because Ceede Lamb is going to
Speaker 2: be the guy in there when when you want a
Speaker 2: slot or inside intermedia route ran, they're gonna put CD
Speaker 2: Lamb in there because he is probably most equipped to
Speaker 2: get open in those spaces. But the battle for the
Speaker 2: w R four wages on because we will find out,
Speaker 2: especially through these preseason games, who is going to capture
Speaker 2: that spot. Man, mister, A lot going on in the show,
Speaker 2: a lot. You had a day, man had a day.
Speaker 2: We had a day, but we got through it. Be
Speaker 2: seeing you miss one. We did it for you. Hey.
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