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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Players Lounge,

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star.

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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCrae, Hecma Harrison, and

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Speaker 1: Newie Shrugs.

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Speaker 2: Good by Tostitos, the official chip and Dip of the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, And we're here at the taj Mahall of Football.

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Speaker 2: You're rocking with the best. I'm Heckmharrison, he is Danny

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Speaker 2: McCrae and out in Oxnard, our guy with his ear

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Speaker 2: to the street. Mister Newe shrugs, Newie, how are you sir?

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Speaker 3: Hey man, it's good they got another practice today. More

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Speaker 3: Pad's gonna be hitting and let's see what they do.

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Speaker 3: And I'll be once again Kelvin Joseph to see what

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Speaker 3: he is going to do in the past covers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, look, guys, as I always do when

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Speaker 2: we get started, I guess this is the wrong time

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Speaker 2: to check everybody's mental health. Is this a good time

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Speaker 2: to check everybody's mental health? I'll start with you, d Matt,

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Speaker 2: how are you brother? Because you actually missed me yesterday. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm good man. You know, I'm just hanging in the

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Speaker 2: Cancil over with So now I get to hang with

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Speaker 2: the boys. I missed the first couple of shows. I

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Speaker 2: was back last last show. Now I'm back here again. Okay,

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Speaker 2: two in a row, two in a row. We can

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Speaker 2: Attendance is good. But we are missing We are missing

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Speaker 2: Barry Church. Today. Barry is at the Dennis. He is

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Speaker 2: getting his diamond and crusted grill. I'm just joking at

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Speaker 2: the Dennis and it's gonna miss the show. But as

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Speaker 2: you alluded to Louis earlier, I want to make sure

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Speaker 2: that I asked you about this because there's been some

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Speaker 2: high praise coming from ox Art about one Kelvin Joseph,

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Speaker 2: and he's been a favorite subject of the show, of course,

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Speaker 2: But what did you think when you got that news,

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Speaker 2: especially with coming from Coach Harrison coach with.

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Speaker 3: All right, So I chatted with Al Harris and I

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Speaker 3: had chatted with Joe Witt, and they both seem to

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Speaker 3: think that he was maturing and he was getting better.

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Speaker 3: They're going to give this young man every opportunity to

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Speaker 3: make this team and be a part of the Cowboys

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Speaker 3: and don't forget he also is a special teamer, so

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Speaker 3: he has an imports on his.

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Speaker 2: Team now he popped as a special teamer late in

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Speaker 2: the season. For you, Danny, what do you think about

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Speaker 2: what's coming out of camp and everything that they're saying

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Speaker 2: about him and his chances because he's in a dog

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Speaker 2: fight right now. Yeah. Listen, just like yesterday when we

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Speaker 2: talked about these guys that are on the bubble, I

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Speaker 2: always say, go be best friends with the special teams coach,

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Speaker 2: and he has been able to. Even though he hadn't

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Speaker 2: some very impactful plays and key plays on special teams

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Speaker 2: that I think has allowed him to be able to

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Speaker 2: still get those opportunities. Now he's gonna have to continue

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Speaker 2: to do that. He's gonna continue to have to be

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Speaker 2: a gunner on punt He's gonna continue to have to

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Speaker 2: be a difference maker on kickoff team for him to

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Speaker 2: remain on this team and then continue to get those opportunities.

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Speaker 2: The moment that he doesn't make those players, that's the

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Speaker 2: moment that you stop hearing about Kevin Joseph. Now I

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Speaker 2: am happy to hear that he's actually playing better, and

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Speaker 2: the coaches are still coaching them. They have their oys

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Speaker 2: on them, giving them those opportunities to play on defense.

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Speaker 2: Because what we know about coaches is the day they

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Speaker 2: stop coaching you, that's when they that's when they done

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Speaker 2: with you. Okay, So it's good to hear that he's

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Speaker 2: staff are still looking at him saying, hey, this guy's

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Speaker 2: getting better. We're gonna keep giving them more opportunities and

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Speaker 2: newly for you, obviously you're down there.

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Speaker 3: What you're saying is if fans get tired of players,

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Speaker 3: but coaches don't get tired of them, they're here to

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Speaker 3: coach him. Al Harris is coaching him up. So fans

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Speaker 3: could be frustrated about things, but at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, we still have to see preseason games from

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Speaker 3: this young man, and he is going to get every

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Speaker 2: They are not done with him now. And knew you

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Speaker 2: looks at you. You actually called this Traymon Dings hundred

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Speaker 2: since you're so good at calling these contracts, what can

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Speaker 3: As I just said, we got to see what he

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Speaker 3: At this point time, I feel like this, I think

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Speaker 4: I can't think of it.

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Speaker 2: I can't think of any either. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what the bigger question is. Because you're down there in

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Speaker 2: how do you think that that's all forming out, especially

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Speaker 2: with what the coaches are saying. But what are the

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Speaker 2: optics telling you? Say? Again HEGNA Now I was saying,

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Speaker 2: what are your optics? What are the optics telling you,

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Speaker 2: especially with Eric Scott Junior, Deron Bland, Nashon Wright and

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Speaker 3: Look, they love Nashan, you know they loved Nashan and

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Speaker 3: Eric right as well. I mean right now when I

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Speaker 3: also said he's got him playing inside now, so they're

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Speaker 3: I think we can go back to since their Super

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Speaker 2: And let me ask you this, Danny, I mean, you

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Speaker 2: know how many how many corners are they gonna carry

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Speaker 2: So I can see them carrying seven, maybe eight, but

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Speaker 2: not on the fifty three. But you're gonna have some

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Speaker 3: It may but and my big thing here, I just

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna sound like a broken record. We've seen dudes

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Speaker 4: Look at this guy. Then it comes a preseason game

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Speaker 4: and it don't happen.

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Speaker 3: So let's see what transplates to Jacksonville come August.

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Speaker 2: Twee yeah, and then you know, I just want to

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Speaker 2: had a great camp, We're not sure why he had

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Speaker 2: a rough season. Right. What happens in camp is that

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Speaker 2: unpredictability is not there. The needing to know the adjustments

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Speaker 2: you're probably gonna see that once you saw it one

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Speaker 2: like I said yesterday, I'm gonna take advantage of if

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Speaker 2: I get out there, I know that same route with

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Speaker 2: don't get to see that when you're out there. You know,

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Speaker 2: talk to you about one Zach Martin here in this

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Speaker 2: first segment because we're a weekend. The camp in Zact

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Speaker 2: is still not in Oxnard, and it's beginning to be

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Speaker 2: a problem. And I know that you've gotten there's been

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Speaker 2: leverage that the team is exercising?

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Speaker 3: All right, the team stance is simply this, they have

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Speaker 3: the leverage. Zach Martin doesn't have any leverage at all,

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Speaker 3: so he needs to come to camp. Jerry has a

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Speaker 3: he saw it with Diggs Lamb.

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Speaker 4: Is it up next?

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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott's numbers got to get reduced. Michael Parsons is

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Speaker 3: coming up trying to adjust or do anything more to

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Speaker 3: add to Zach Martin's contract, and his mind is going

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Speaker 3: to disrupt what he wants to do. He's not trying

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Speaker 3: to pay Zach Martin.

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Speaker 2: I think as we list those names, we also forget

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Speaker 2: to imagine what happens if Tony Poler comes out here

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Speaker 2: and has a sixteen seventeen hundred yard season. Right, what

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Speaker 2: do you do then? Right? So you can continue to

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Speaker 2: just add people who have to get paid onto this

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Speaker 2: list before a Zach Martin does so. Unfortun for him,

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Speaker 2: the team does have the leverage, and Jerry don't say

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Speaker 2: you know that their ramifications for if you don't, you

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Speaker 2: during the season. So I guess we'll just have to see,

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Speaker 2: you know, how how willing my man Zach Martin is

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Speaker 2: to say, you know what, I'm I'm gonna take the

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Speaker 2: stance and this is where I'm at. And guys, I

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Speaker 2: don't mean to play the devil's advocate in this situation.

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Speaker 2: But Josh Ball is a three year project of the

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys, six eight, three hundred and four pounds. He

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Speaker 2: could be potentially your starting right guard. That doesn't bother you,

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Speaker 2: at least when you talk about a potential holdout going

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, they're willing to go into

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Speaker 2: But as a player where you've played, is this something

433
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Speaker 2: that's just common that you do or is this, oh

434
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Speaker 2: my god, you look at this as Trayvon Diggs losing

435
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Speaker 2: respect for that. You want to have a great team,

436
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: this should happen all the time. You should have your

437
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Speaker 2: best players caring about a moment so much that it

438
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Speaker 2: gets that chippy, because then it aspires the next person

439
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Speaker 2: who should have DA's back to say, you know what,

440
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Speaker 2: I'm finna go out here and show these dudes that

441
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Speaker 2: I got my quarterback back. And the same thing with

442
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Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs. Now Michael Parsons should be Anthum saying, oh, wait,

443
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Speaker 2: where are we going with this? All right? Now, it's

444
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Speaker 2: defense versus offense for real, and that's when you get

445
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Speaker 2: some of your best reps, right when everybody's going full

446
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Speaker 2: till everybody's trying to get better and it remains respectful

447
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Speaker 2: enough to where they're not throwing blows. All right, Say

448
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Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey out there, Andy Reid got to come out

449
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Speaker 2: and say he don't like that, versus like, hey, we

450
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Speaker 2: having some really good strong competition. In football is a

451
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Speaker 2: physical sport. You're gonna have some of that sometimes, and

452
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Speaker 2: if you don't, that's when you should be worried. And

453
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Speaker 2: we haven't have We haven't actually seen that from the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys in a long time. I can't remember a situation

455
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Speaker 2: like that it used to be a lot worse with

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Speaker 2: Dez and then whoever. But that's when you had guys

457
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Speaker 2: on there who were hungry, and they were like, I

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Speaker 2: don't care. I'm gon challenge you, but it's gonna stay

459
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Speaker 2: out field. Louis, you saw it.

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Speaker 3: Here's something that I would say. Shady McCoy and I

461
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Speaker 3: never watched the show. I bet never watched the show,

462
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Speaker 3: but they do that show in Los Angeles.

463
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Speaker 4: We're a short drive up from that show.

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Speaker 3: If he had wanted to see or understand anything, he

465
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Speaker 3: could come up.

466
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Speaker 4: Here and do it. Ryan Clark has been here at camp.

467
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Speaker 4: He's seen what's going on here.

468
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Speaker 3: I tweeted about dan Orlowski once again. Something else. Another

469
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Speaker 3: guy I don't watch. I'm like, hey, come to camp.

470
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Speaker 3: Ask Mike McCarthy questions, come ask DA questions. Tad will

471
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Speaker 3: bring them to you. Jared Bell came up here from

472
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Speaker 3: USA today. He got one on one time with Jory

473
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Speaker 3: Epstein from Yahoo Sports came up here.

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Speaker 4: They gave them one on one time.

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Speaker 3: So if these guys who are saying this stuff so

476
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Speaker 3: passionately wanted to actually understand what's going on, they could

477
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Speaker 3: see it and have conversations with the guys about.

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Speaker 2: And Lachelle McCoy is making this that's his whole mo

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Speaker 2: at this point. Click yeah, whatever you say, it sounds

480
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Speaker 2: the most ridiculous, right. And then, like I said, what

481
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Speaker 2: happens we come on here and say, well, Shady McCoy

482
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Speaker 2: will say I honestly don't believe that he believes some

483
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Speaker 2: of the stuff that he's saying, but you know, it's

484
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Speaker 2: working as far as getting clicks and getting a little

485
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Speaker 2: notoriety for saying whatever it is. I remember Paul Pierce

486
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Speaker 2: going through the same thing. Everybody's like, oh, Paul Pierce

487
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Speaker 2: saying something crazy again, right, And it was that's the

488
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Speaker 2: only reason, you know, Paul Pierce. Nobody was listening to

489
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Speaker 2: him for his basketball input or knowledge. They were listening

490
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Speaker 2: to see what crazy thing was he gonna say next.

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of times that's what happens,

492
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Speaker 2: especially on that show specifically, you know or Vlasky, he's

493
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Speaker 2: on the Ryan Clark. I do watch him sometimes. I

494
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Speaker 2: think he has a little bit more he's a little

495
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Speaker 2: bit more insightful than what Shady McCoy offers. And New

496
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Speaker 2: either back and forth between the offense and the d

497
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Speaker 2: has been on full tilt and display, and I think

498
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Speaker 2: that was a mojo moment for the offense to be

499
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Speaker 2: in the red zone and they went five for five.

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Speaker 2: And so that's the competitive competitiveness that I think that

501
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Speaker 2: you're asking for, that the team has that, and that

502
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Speaker 2: going back and forth is it's just the nation of sports.

503
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: It should be. It should be if you if you

504
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Speaker 2: miss this is camp.

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Speaker 3: So so far, I feel like this camp is going

506
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Speaker 3: the way they wanted to go. It's just interesting that

507
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Speaker 3: so many people are paying attention to national folks who

508
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Speaker 3: were not here versus consuming things from the writers here

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Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys dot Com radio or Todd Archer over ESPN,

510
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Speaker 3: Clarence till Star Telegram, David Moore the Dallas Morning News

511
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Speaker 3: and and Calvin Watkins are watching what I'm.

512
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Speaker 4: Doing on Channel five.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's there's plenty of people who do

514
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Speaker 3: this that are telling you what's going on, but people

515
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Speaker 3: want to listen to folks who are nowhere near this place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so clickbait, like you said, definitely definite clickbait. But

517
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Speaker 2: but Nuie, I got to ask you something specific to

518
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Speaker 2: since we're talking about the media. The media, we're we're

519
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Speaker 2: at the Jerry Jones party at Noble and I'm sure

520
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Speaker 2: you drank all of the Shirley Temples that you could

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Speaker 2: get your hands off. But tell me about that. Man,

522
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Speaker 2: Was it a good time for you as a media member?

523
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Speaker 2: What is it like to be in the presence of

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Speaker 2: all of your your colleagues.

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Speaker 3: It's my third time going to it. I'm not a

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Speaker 3: sushi person at all. It was always first class. The

527
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Speaker 3: view was fantastic, so it was it was good. Got

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Speaker 3: some good one on one conversation with the boss and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was worth it. And saw d ll Hughblee

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Speaker 4: on the way out.

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Speaker 3: You know, another Maga sift I remember here, so it

532
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Speaker 3: was good.

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Speaker 2: Did you have some sushi? I did? Okay? All right?

534
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah that's like yeah, yeah, a little piece. I

535
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Speaker 2: can't trust your palate because you don't like camp of those,

536
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Speaker 2: so we could we could move on from that new

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Speaker 2: he has no no input on the on the Yeah

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Speaker 2: that's right, you know, you know he goes ely guy

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Speaker 2: goes to Nobu and doesn't enjoy all excuse but my

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Speaker 2: ass was it good?

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Speaker 3: Hey, look man, you're not turning down free food, and

542
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Speaker 3: I hear it's very expensive, so I once a year

543
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Speaker 3: I partake in it now, and so I went and

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Speaker 3: had it, and you know I would never go there myself,

545
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Speaker 3: but hey, Jerry Jones wont to.

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Speaker 2: Have a party there.

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Speaker 4: I'm going.

548
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Speaker 2: And knowing before we let you go, man, But just

549
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 2: fishing for storylines, just on your own what you've seen.

550
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Who is the guy that a name that you can

551
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Speaker 2: give us, maybe an underdog or underrated guy that you

552
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: can point to that you can say, hey, this guy

553
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Speaker 2: has been having a great camp.

554
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Speaker 4: Brooks the receiver from South Carolina.

555
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Speaker 3: And I measure that with let's see what happens in

556
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Speaker 3: preseason games. And right now we know manager likes him,

557
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Speaker 3: but let's see what happens when when Jacksonville comes to town.

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Speaker 2: I think I think my only question is it's going

559
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Speaker 2: to continue to be this all camp. What does Mozzi

560
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Speaker 2: Smith look like? Because we continue to say this, he looks.

561
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Speaker 3: It looks like a rookie right now looks and that's

562
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Speaker 3: not a bad thing. It's just he just looks like

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Speaker 3: a rookie right now.

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Speaker 2: Has he had any any any splash moments where you say,

565
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Speaker 2: all right, that's that's why we got him here, or

566
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Speaker 2: is he just really in that learning phase right now?

567
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Speaker 2: Of how to practice, how to be a professional, and

568
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Speaker 2: then learning the difference between college and the NFL.

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Speaker 4: He's right there the latter part of what you said.

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Speaker 2: He's learning.

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Speaker 4: He's learning.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I need I got to see something, man, because

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Speaker 2: that's San Francisco. I still got nightmares two years in

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Speaker 2: a row, San Francisco, our ability not to stop the

575
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Speaker 2: running these teams that come in here and want to

576
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Speaker 2: run the ball. So I need, I need, I need

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Speaker 2: you one time to come on the show and be like,

578
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Speaker 2: you know what I saw. I saw what I needed

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Speaker 2: to see out of MAZI and I think we're okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I sit with Nate Newton to practices

581
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Speaker 3: in Natives right over here behind me. So when I

582
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Speaker 3: get done with this, I'm gonna go right over there,

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Speaker 3: sit with Nate and get his perspective on it. But

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Speaker 3: young pop So look, well new It.

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Speaker 2: Man. We're gonna let you do your thing because I

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Speaker 2: themselves and Luke Skrememaker and it's a Michigan man, a

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00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Michigan man. But also I think everybody was a little

649
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: surprised by the pick and may have thought that there

650
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: would be a tight end picked in the first round.

651
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: But even all of that talk surprised me because I

652
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: thought that this organization really had more faith in Jake

653
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: Ferguson than they did. When you think about that position room,

654
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: do you think of it being competitive right now or

655
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: do you think they're just waiting on Luke to come

656
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: back from injury When I first of all, you know,

657
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 2: in the first round, I was hoping we were offensive line, right.

658
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: I know some people thought we were going to go

659
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: tight end, which is fair. But when you lose a

660
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: guy like Dalton Scholtz who was a big part of

661
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 2: your offense. Was he the second leading receiver on the

662
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: squad last season and the season before he was the

663
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: leading receiver from the squad. So when you look at

664
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: losing a guy like that and how much of the

665
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: offense he accounted for, you gotta find a way to

666
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: make a significant pick or in the draft or free

667
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: agency to make sure that you make up for that.

668
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Speaker 2: And I think that's what they saw in that meeting

669
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: room right now. Though I believe as far as the

670
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 2: two young guys that they have their Ferguson and Hindershot.

671
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: I think they are auditioning for that second past catching

672
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 2: role okay at this moment, because I think Schumacher is there.

673
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: They said, we're going to run the ball more. You go,

674
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: get you a guy who went to Michigan who they

675
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: specialized in running the football. That's what they did mostly,

676
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: and he was a big part of that, being able

677
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: to block and hold the edge on some of those

678
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: and in some cases play fullback, which we don't have

679
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: a full back. So I think he's going to be

680
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: that versatile guy that they're waiting to get in and

681
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: he's going to be a plug and play guy as

682
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: soon as he's healthy and on the field. And then

683
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: even hid the shot off firston is going to be hey,

684
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 2: when we got when we're playing twelve personnel with two

685
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: tight ends, who's going to be the blocking guy? And

686
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 2: then we need that guy to go out and be

687
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: able to run those routes. And I think you saw

688
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: some of that last season. You know, outside of Dalton Schultz,

689
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: they did make a few plays. You saw that they

690
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: were able to get out there, stress the field a

691
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: little bit, have some yards after catch when they got

692
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: out there. So the potential is there, but not there

693
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Speaker 2: enough for them to say, you know, we're not gonna

694
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: go pick this tight end up in the second round.

695
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: I think he's going to get ninety percent of the

696
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: snaps and the other guys will be kind of you know,

697
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 2: they're gonna get in where they fit in. And I

698
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: think last year when I saw Jake Ferguson, I was

699
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: in awe of his ability to run after the catch.

700
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Speaker 2: I thought that that made the big difference between him

701
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Speaker 2: and Schultz. It just especially in the you know things

702
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 2: in that he did in the red zone. But when

703
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 2: you just circle and underline blocking and saying that maybe that, look,

704
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: Shoemaker's strength is going to be his ability to block

705
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: versus catch the ball, and maybe these guys Jake Ferguson

706
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: and Hindershot will be then inserted into the offense to

707
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 2: fulfill that part of it. I didn't see that they

708
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 2: were that. I mean, were they that bad at blocking

709
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: that you would have to come you'd have to bring

710
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: in a guy like Shoammaker to say that, look, he's

711
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: gonna be our day one guy because he just does

712
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: this so much better than all other guys. Well, I

713
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: think it's one. Is he that much better at blocking

714
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: than they are? Not or are they that bad. I

715
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: don't think they were necessarily bad blockers. I also think

716
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Speaker 2: when you say that you're gonna have a more of

717
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 2: a run based offense, having two really good tight ends

718
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 2: is the way to go, right. So if you have

719
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Speaker 2: two guys where you can stretch out, run the seams,

720
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Speaker 2: and both both of those guys can get yards at

721
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Speaker 2: the catch, then to me, that's a lot better than

722
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: having a run eleven personnel out there, which is three

723
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: receivers until everybody that you're about to run the ball

724
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: and allowing the defense and then put Nickel out there

725
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: with three defensive backs. If you can force a team

726
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: to have to defend out of their base coverage, then

727
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: you got to win it formula. I mean it goes

728
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 2: back to I think New England when they had Hernandez

729
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: y Gronk, right, so they'll force you to stay out

730
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 2: there in your base defense and then they would let

731
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: Grink and Hernandez wrapped you up like receivers. I think

732
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Speaker 2: if you have the opportunity to do that here, especially

733
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 2: with Dak loving his tight ends, and actually the Cowboys

734
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 2: have always been that way, right ro then you got

735
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: Dak with Shultz, you got Dak with whining. You give

736
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: him his number one guy, his security blanket, who I

737
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: think Shoemaker will be. I like it for Dak. I

738
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 2: like that for him being able to protect the ball more.

739
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: That gives him an option for when he gets in

740
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: trouble and it helps you blocking, uh, you know, because

741
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: we already don't know what the offense was. Anyway, Market

742
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: might be playing, I mean, maybe be playing right guard

743
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: as a thing man. We're gonna go twelve personnel for

744
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: the whole gas heavy four quarters twelve personnel. But that's

745
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: an interesting conversation about the tight end room, and I

746
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: want to see how that's going to play out, especially

747
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: during camp. Okay, so we've talked about the cornerback position,

748
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: we talk about the guys that were on the bubble.

749
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: I think that the last thing that I want to

750
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: just put your feet to the fire on, especially now

751
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: that we have a guy like Jalen Brooks that we

752
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 2: know and the wide receiver position is putting h some pressure.

753
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 2: He's putting some pressure. I read some good things about

754
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: Jaylen Tober though. Okay, I read some good things about

755
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: him that he's he's looking a lot better. He looks

756
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: he's looking more professional, and he's taking advantage of the

757
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: reps of these getting Simmy for Hoko. The only thing

758
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: I saw about Simmy Fooko was he dropped that past

759
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: the Dak that that ended up being in this county

760
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: is an interception against Dak, but it was really a

761
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: drop pass for interception. I've been seeing things about Jaylen

762
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Tober and I'm more focused on him because of all

763
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: that happened last season and then all that he did

764
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: in the preseas in the off season where he said,

765
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna make sure I'm hanging out with Dak.

766
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make sure all those everything that Dak has

767
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: where he's working with his receivers, I'm gonna be there.

768
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be around cooks, I'm gonna be around Ceedee

769
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: Lamb to learn how to be a professional, because he

770
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: was aware of what he did wrong. Right, So when

771
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: you see that and you hear him say that, and

772
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: then the news that comes out of training camp is, oh,

773
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: he looks a lot better, he looks a lot more focused.

774
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: Then I have high expectations for him because we believe

775
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: that he was gonna be a certain player last year

776
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 2: when he got in and he knows what he did wrong.

777
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: So now I expect to see that player that we

778
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: had all hoped to see. So I know they're putting pressure,

779
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: but I think he's gonna get number one and those

780
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: opportunities he's gonna, like I said, he's gonna have to

781
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 2: lose that position on his own stuff versus yeah, another

782
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: guy just playing better than him. If they're playing close,

783
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: Jaylen Tobert is gonna be the guy who they're gonna

784
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: give a shot too and given every opportunity to fail

785
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: sc SC but it's gonna be up to him to

786
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: make that happen. And not only him, but Jalen Moreno.

787
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: Cooper is another player that you're hearing a lot from.

788
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: Dennis Houston is back, a guy that's been fighting and

789
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 2: staying on the fifty three, getting cut and coming back.

790
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: And he's also in the mix as well. Cavante Turpin.

791
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: I talked about him and you quote him. You you

792
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: air quoted me on Cavante Turpin. But it's turping time

793
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 2: and he's a guy that's etching out a role that

794
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: people have been looking for. We bought in some guys

795
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 2: last season to try and stretch the field, but we've

796
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: always had Kavante Turpin. So things are heating up down there,

797
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: and we got a lot of guys stretching the field. Okay,

798
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: we got a lot for you, everybody. Or you put

799
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: Kavante Turpin out there, you already got Brandy Cooks and

800
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 2: Michael Gallup. Okay, how many guys do you? You need

801
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 2: some guys to run those intermediate routes, all right? And

802
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: I don't see, you know, no offense to him. I

803
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 2: just don't see him being the guy who you're saying

804
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 2: is going to be the Cole Beasley type of guy. Right,

805
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: That is a that is a one special type of talent. Right,

806
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 2: So then you're gonna put Ceede Lamb in there. You're

807
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 2: not putting Cavanti Turpin at number one until and run

808
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: a go route, not not on a consistent basis. So

809
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: that's why I think you have a you have a

810
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: slight issue with Wordy you put him. I think that's

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Speaker 2: why I think he's going to be, you know, straight

812
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: we a gadget guy, because Ceede Lamb is going to

813
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: be the guy in there when when you want a

814
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: slot or inside intermedia route ran, they're gonna put CD

815
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: Lamb in there because he is probably most equipped to

816
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: get open in those spaces. But the battle for the

817
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Speaker 2: w R four wages on because we will find out,

818
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: especially through these preseason games, who is going to capture

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Speaker 2: that spot. Man, mister, A lot going on in the show,

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