Speaker 1: Diamond. What do you have?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, how about I turn on your microphone? Professional,
Speaker 2: go for it.
Speaker 3: Okay, this is a and iced It's supposed to be
Speaker 3: an oat milk brown sugar shaken espresso, but I took
Speaker 3: the oat milk out and put non fat milk, okay,
Speaker 3: because I'm allergic to oats and it's very strong. Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a few SIPs in and I feel it in
Speaker 3: my bones already. I'm judry.
Speaker 1: Okay, So a couple of things. What's up?
Speaker 2: It's sauce on the side. Thanks for joining. We have
Speaker 2: kind of something different happening today. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: little I don't know if it's gonna be weird or not.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Because one our guest is outside of someone I think
Speaker 2: we would normally talk to. It's a person from the
Speaker 2: White House and she's joining us via zoom. So I
Speaker 2: feel like anything could happen. It could go well, it
Speaker 2: could go terribly wrong.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 2: But you were talking about your allergies, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if we've ever really gotten into Have we gotten
Speaker 2: into all your allergies on the episode that we did.
Speaker 1: With Juste you to do?
Speaker 3: We may have.
Speaker 1: We may but I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's like one of my go to things that everyone
Speaker 3: makes me talk about.
Speaker 2: So we may have, but let's not talk about it.
Speaker 2: Then if you die, you die. You know, A yolo
Speaker 2: oat milk not for you. You know what I haven't
Speaker 2: been doing lately. I don't think anybody's noticed. I stop
Speaker 2: drinking caffeine and coffee and stuff in the morning. I
Speaker 2: just do water now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I noticed that this morning, and I thought, what
Speaker 3: a loser.
Speaker 2: I know it's so easy because it, like man, caffeine
Speaker 2: hits me like a fucking train.
Speaker 1: But I just don't do it anymore. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I'll just save my heartbeats for other things.
Speaker 1: Why. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I heard do you only have a certain amount of
Speaker 2: heart beats in your life? I've probably made that up.
Speaker 3: But still you need coffee. There is no life without coffee.
Speaker 3: Trust me. I do it every year for lint. It's
Speaker 3: not fun.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I can't drink black coffee. A lot of people can
Speaker 2: drink black coffee. I like cream and sugar in it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if started my day every day
Speaker 2: with cream and sugar is really a good idea.
Speaker 3: No, switch it up. Do oat milk instead, if you're
Speaker 3: not allergic to oats.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I mean that I know of oat milk is really good,
Speaker 3: but it makes my mouth felt funny, so I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh great, is it sweet? It has a sweetness to it.
Speaker 3: It's a good alternative.
Speaker 4: Come on.
Speaker 2: Apparently we can't eat anything that is delicious anymore because.
Speaker 1: Everything is killing us. We're all gonna die anyway.
Speaker 3: Just have fun, live your life, you'll okay.
Speaker 2: So the guest today, her name is Near Attendon, and
Speaker 2: she works for the White House. Apparently they reached out
Speaker 2: because they wanted to talk about how they're switching marijuana
Speaker 2: or they're in the process of changing marijuana from a
Speaker 2: Schedule one drug to a Schedule three drug. What does
Speaker 2: that mean? Well, we're gonna get to it whenever she
Speaker 2: gets here.
Speaker 1: What's up?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: I am recording? Okay, Well let me double check before him. Goodbye?
Speaker 1: Thank you mean it? Justin Bieber? What does he mean?
Speaker 2: He doesn't know if we were recording. He's looking into
Speaker 2: the into the studio. It says in use, and we're
Speaker 2: both talking to microphones.
Speaker 1: Scared Jones.
Speaker 3: Everybody that's a very scary thing to do.
Speaker 2: Man, it would be actually kind of fun at some
Speaker 2: point to just do an episode with him.
Speaker 3: That man experience.
Speaker 1: He's Diamond's favorite.
Speaker 2: He he pushes her to a place of darkness. Oh,
Speaker 2: and now Andrew wants to come in. Like, Andrew doesn't
Speaker 2: know how recording works.
Speaker 3: Save me.
Speaker 2: We started recording Andrew home, No, because I know you're
Speaker 2: sticking around to do something that I want to do.
Speaker 5: Like what.
Speaker 6: Oh he told me? Are well I agreed to something
Speaker 6: I didn't know about.
Speaker 1: Oh, we got to talk about this, but I don't.
Speaker 3: That's not a good segue. But we need to talk
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 2: Andrew's here, Hi buddy, Hi, Hi Hi? Is it weird
Speaker 2: that that there's only one microphone for you guys?
Speaker 3: Should I move this over?
Speaker 6: I'm the star, So it's okay, hold on.
Speaker 2: A second, what I'll beat you downstairs? We need we
Speaker 2: need to talk about how this studio works because there's
Speaker 2: a light that says in use. And then also people
Speaker 2: can just look in and directly see us, and everybody
Speaker 2: stares through the glass like we're zoo animals, and then
Speaker 2: is like are you recording? And they try to have
Speaker 2: conversations with you through the glass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually very weird.
Speaker 3: Yes, grab it Iman of Zoo Animals. Andrew decided to
Speaker 3: act as one today. What do you do? Andrew canceled
Speaker 3: on a wedding four or five days before the actual wedding,
Speaker 3: which he r svp'd to. He said he was going.
Speaker 3: I think it's horrible, horrific.
Speaker 6: I agree, that's someone. Gandhi was the one that sent
Speaker 6: the text message because I had so much anxiety over
Speaker 6: into this.
Speaker 3: Your anxiety is warranted at this point. No, you knew
Speaker 3: four months that you did not want to go to
Speaker 3: this wedding, or that you.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be able to go to this wedding, and instead.
Speaker 6: Of it's not that I knew, It's just that you
Speaker 6: know when you have a gut feeling, but it doesn't
Speaker 6: kick in until like a week after, or like two
Speaker 6: months after, maybe months.
Speaker 3: He All I have to say is the woman was
Speaker 3: very gracious.
Speaker 6: She was Oh she did, and she was super nice.
Speaker 6: And you already have dinner plans next month.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's beautiful.
Speaker 6: But Gandhi appreciate you.
Speaker 3: I'm letting you know that if it was anyone else
Speaker 3: like me, you would have been blocked.
Speaker 6: Don't be then, when you got the check with the
Speaker 6: gift in it, you would have said, oh, thank you.
Speaker 3: But you wouldn't have been able to respond because you
Speaker 3: would have been blocked.
Speaker 6: Well, I wouldn't ask you if you received my check
Speaker 6: or my honey fund. I would have just known, and
Speaker 6: then you would have taken my money and blocked me off.
Speaker 6: Some weird petty stuff that you're doing.
Speaker 3: Well, no, it's not petty.
Speaker 1: She paid for your plate.
Speaker 6: Right, sure, And I apologize, and I'm going to send
Speaker 6: a really nice gift and also I'm sorry. But as
Speaker 6: a bride, if you're really gonna stare at your guest
Speaker 6: list that hard and block people week of that says
Speaker 6: more about you than the people you're surrounding yourself with.
Speaker 3: Okay, great.
Speaker 2: I have to say I kind of agree with you,
Speaker 2: Andrew what se because here's the thing, Like, weddings are
Speaker 2: very much for the people getting married, and I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people make themselves this like you center
Speaker 2: of attention. Life happens to other people. It's not a
Speaker 2: flight at you as somebody can't go. If somebody's just
Speaker 2: like oh I just I don't feel like it. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's a different story. But when people have like shit.
Speaker 1: Going on in their lives. You can't make it. You
Speaker 1: can't make it.
Speaker 2: I know someone here who didn't attend a wedding of
Speaker 2: somebody on our show. This person just didn't show up
Speaker 2: to the wedding. That's kind of different. But I feel
Speaker 2: like if you can't go, you can't go.
Speaker 6: And it's better, in my opinion, to give notice and say, hey,
Speaker 6: I'm not going to come. Then just day of, the
Speaker 6: plate is paid for, the spot at the table is given,
Speaker 6: and you just don't show up. That to me is
Speaker 6: more of a slap in the face than coming up
Speaker 6: with I have the flu and I can't make it. No,
Speaker 6: that means you have a table with my number on it.
Speaker 6: I'm on your seating chart, and now what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I would much rather you wait until the day before
Speaker 3: and say someone you know has COVID. Because this is
Speaker 3: the thing, is that the table is set. You usually
Speaker 3: have two weeks before the wedding to set the table.
Speaker 3: Your guest was to set you paid for everything. You
Speaker 3: could have said this two weeks ago.
Speaker 6: I understand that. And again I am putting blame on
Speaker 6: myself for saying I fed up. I had the anxiety
Speaker 6: over sending the text message. Thankfully, my friend is an
Speaker 6: adult and understood.
Speaker 1: Now I'm an adult too.
Speaker 6: Yeah you did send the text because I was too
Speaker 6: afraid to.
Speaker 3: It's like someone else is an adult.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: It's like people my family does it sometimes too. Maybe
Speaker 6: it's because they're Italian, but they're like, who's going to
Speaker 6: show up to the wake if they don't show up?
Speaker 6: And I'm like, if you're at a wake someone is
Speaker 6: in a casket in front of you, and you're saying,
Speaker 6: I'm taking attendance on who's coming to the wake, that's weird.
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe I'm Italian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Diamond has very grudgy tendencies. Absolutely, But my mom,
Speaker 2: you know what she did the other day. So my
Speaker 2: sister got married a year and a half ago. At
Speaker 2: this point, my mom sends her a text message for
Speaker 2: the umpteenth time, I need a list of what my
Speaker 2: friends got you.
Speaker 1: Oh that's petty, right, No.
Speaker 3: Damn it, because I mean now, if your mom is
Speaker 3: gonna like reach out to said friends and say, hey,
Speaker 3: she better not I know you got this for Priya
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, then that is petty. But moving forward
Speaker 3: in life, I want to know what, you got my
Speaker 3: kid for her wedding so that I could give your
Speaker 3: kids the same caliber.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's what she's doing. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god. First of all, she's never gonna make
Speaker 2: a spreadsheet and remember any of that shit. So it's
Speaker 2: just gonna be my sister's responsibility, like when something pops
Speaker 2: up for her to be like, how much did salence?
Speaker 1: I'll give you.
Speaker 2: It's genuinely just my mom being nosy. I don't really
Speaker 2: think it's all that serious, but man, she needs to know.
Speaker 2: She has really asked my sister repeatedly for this information.
Speaker 3: Ye love that for her.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till Diamond gets married.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're making I'm gonna start my spreadsheet early.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I can't make it.
Speaker 6: I'm sick.
Speaker 3: I will block you, like literally, especially if you wait
Speaker 3: until the blocked.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you guys this.
Speaker 2: So I have a friend who I told you guys
Speaker 2: was getting married in a different country. So I was
Speaker 2: going there, but something's changed. But I booked my ticket,
Speaker 2: I booked my hotel. Now for whatever reason, I booked
Speaker 2: both of them with cancelation available, just in case.
Speaker 1: Even though.
Speaker 2: The wedding is pretty close. So I text him the
Speaker 2: other day and I was like, should I do these
Speaker 2: dates or these dates? Because I booked two tickets because
Speaker 2: for the business class it was actually really inexpensive, which
Speaker 2: is crazy. So I booked two tickets and I was like,
Speaker 2: which one should I do? And he hit me back
Speaker 2: and was like, don't book anything. The wedding is can
Speaker 2: what's going on?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. He told me we'll
Speaker 1: talk this week.
Speaker 2: Maybe they like shrunk the guest list or something and
Speaker 2: I'm just not invited anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I was like, oh shit, okay,
Speaker 1: what is going on now? Here's my thing?
Speaker 2: Right, that happens whatever. It's not their responsibility to continue
Speaker 2: to do something if they don't feel it in their
Speaker 2: bones anymore. Yeah, but like this isn't a foreign country,
Speaker 2: not a long time away. I imagine a lot of
Speaker 2: people have booked a lot of shit to go.
Speaker 1: Well what.
Speaker 3: This happened? On Summerhouse this last season, Carl Lindsay was
Speaker 3: supposed to get married in Mexico. Carl broke up with
Speaker 3: Lindsay two months before the wedding. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it was Carl and his Yeah, Carl and his family
Speaker 3: still went to Mexico.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't marry people if don't want to get married.
Speaker 2: You know, if Brandon's friend did what, I might have
Speaker 2: told you this same thing destination wedding. It was in Mexico,
Speaker 2: everybody came essentially a weakish or so he decided he
Speaker 2: wasn't going through with it. He didn't tell the bride.
Speaker 2: They went through the whole wedding. He basically faked the
Speaker 2: whole thing. But you know, when you get married in
Speaker 2: a foreign country, you then have to come here and
Speaker 2: like sign all the paperwork. He was like, no, we're
Speaker 2: not signing the paper and I'm not getting married.
Speaker 6: That's sociopathic behavior, that's what he's said.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, so part of me understands why
Speaker 2: he would do that, because everybody was coming, everybody booked
Speaker 2: their shit, everybody had a good time.
Speaker 1: Also, like you got all the presents from.
Speaker 2: Whatever people bought you, Like, that's crazy. But to then
Speaker 2: like to fake the wedding and she thinks this is
Speaker 2: the happiest day of her life. And then you guys
Speaker 2: come home and he's like, yeah, no, So what happened
Speaker 2: was I don't want to get married, Like what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that what?
Speaker 3: Love and hip hop? Love and hip hop? I don't
Speaker 3: remember which. I guess love and hip hop New York.
Speaker 3: But she he was going to jail. Mendyce's was going
Speaker 3: to jail. They had the full blown wedding in the city,
Speaker 3: I mean, like huge wedding film for TV and everything,
Speaker 3: and she never mailed in the marriage license or marriage
Speaker 3: certificate because guess what, she didn't want to pay child
Speaker 3: support on his behalf.
Speaker 2: I understand that. I totally get that. So I feel
Speaker 2: like we already burned Andrew in the burn book.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, he's burned.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's cool about this.
Speaker 2: We should get Josh in here at some point because
Speaker 2: this is probably not happening. That frees up all of
Speaker 2: us for that vacation to maybe doing off the grid trip.
Speaker 3: Oh. I love that.
Speaker 1: Out of ten.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about what I should do because
Speaker 2: all of you guys said you were available. Yeah, when
Speaker 2: let me tell you, initially Andrew over here said he
Speaker 2: wasn't available, and that.
Speaker 6: Woned October. I'm in Portugal.
Speaker 1: No, you said, I'm buck for all the vacations. I
Speaker 1: don't think I can do anything.
Speaker 3: Actually, don't forget he cancels last minute. Better fucking you
Speaker 3: may have had a vacation plan for August, but he
Speaker 3: said never mind because he didn't feel like going just
Speaker 3: the same way he did with this wedding.
Speaker 2: If Josh was in here, I feel like he would
Speaker 2: be triggered by this conversation because he got mad at
Speaker 2: me about a vacation thing. Not too long ago, too long,
Speaker 2: too involved. Do you guys think Josh is ever going
Speaker 2: to actually do his episode?
Speaker 3: No, he told me he was well book it.
Speaker 1: We should go get him and see what he has
Speaker 1: to say. You think he has an intern in there?
Speaker 2: Excellent, go disturb it it.
Speaker 3: It wasn't important.
Speaker 2: It's so important Josh, Josh, le's see if we can even.
Speaker 1: Hear him doing it.
Speaker 3: He's going to see around.
Speaker 2: Does he come back with him?
Speaker 5: Hi?
Speaker 1: Hi, buddy, come in here for a second.
Speaker 6: Is this your podcast?
Speaker 2: This is my stupid podcast. We were seeing if you're available.
Speaker 2: First of all, that air feels amazing. We're seeing if
Speaker 2: you're available to do off the grid in August.
Speaker 7: Tell me more, tell me more.
Speaker 1: Oh, we know right now. You just asked me to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah that I got chair.
Speaker 2: And and we were debating if you're ever going to
Speaker 2: sit down and actually do your podcast episode as discussed, what.
Speaker 7: Do you want to talk about if we tease?
Speaker 2: Okay, so we actually teased in the trailer. You're in
Speaker 2: the trailer for this show why one of my coworkers
Speaker 2: was absent for the entire month of November, and then
Speaker 2: we never ever got to it. So, I mean, at
Speaker 2: some point I feel like we should cover that why
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 7: Sick for the month of November. Yeah, there's a reason,
Speaker 7: hey know.
Speaker 1: And the reasons one of my favorite things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so we were doing that, and then see
Speaker 2: if you're going to be on the podcast, So you're
Speaker 2: in for Off the Grid.
Speaker 7: My August is free. Yes, I could do it in theory.
Speaker 7: In theory, well, yeah, where are we going? What are
Speaker 7: we doing?
Speaker 2: We need to discuss it, Okay, we all need to
Speaker 2: get on the same page.
Speaker 6: I'm down, I'm in okay, Josh, Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2: We have a lot to figure out in like two months.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, fuck yeah, Yesked, if you had to.
Speaker 6: Drive, I could drive.
Speaker 1: D Andrew hit a mountain. Yeah, no, he really did, Josh.
Speaker 1: It was very scary.
Speaker 7: He ran into a mountain.
Speaker 1: No, he hit a mountain with an RV?
Speaker 7: Was it?
Speaker 6: I got us?
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 7: Was it a famous mountain?
Speaker 6: Like? Yeah, it was in Sequoia National Park. It's a
Speaker 6: really high up hill. It was a thirty foot RV
Speaker 6: when I was promised to twenty foot RV. So I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: and I drove the entire time, so you're well, wait, wait,
Speaker 6: wait wait.
Speaker 2: I definitely drove for a little while, but it was
Speaker 2: freaking everyone out because I basically had to stand while
Speaker 2: driving short but also Andrew, they told us how fast.
Speaker 2: They tell us we can't go above seventy.
Speaker 6: Which is, let me just say the slowest, like slow
Speaker 6: pokes go down.
Speaker 2: Okay, But there's a reason they said don't go above
Speaker 2: sixty five because if you have to hit the brakes,
Speaker 2: you have the back half of a thirty foot trailer,
Speaker 2: more than half that continues at the same speed. Andrew
Speaker 2: would not go under eighty five the entire time, so
Speaker 2: I think you might have to drive.
Speaker 7: He almost drove off a cliff in Yosemite, like going fifty.
Speaker 7: They have like like the falling rock signs, and you're
Speaker 7: on like legitimately on the edge of a cliff, and
Speaker 7: if like one wrong turn and you're you're going down
Speaker 7: the mountain and he's through it like he's on the
Speaker 7: way to the Jersey Shore and trying to be traffic.
Speaker 7: It's just insane.
Speaker 6: And I got us there early, so everyone is welcome again.
Speaker 3: Yah no, No, that's all you want to Josh.
Speaker 2: Thanks so stud your episode next week, yay, I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Josh's reasons for being out all of November are probably
Speaker 2: my favorite thing in the world.
Speaker 6: Well, I have to go back and do work now
Speaker 6: as well. So hot in here, Andrew, you know you
Speaker 6: don't work because the AC doesn't work. It's all pumping
Speaker 6: out in there.
Speaker 2: Maybe you could work on that while you're fake working
Speaker 2: over your desk. What do you think he's gonna go do?
Speaker 3: Diamond, listen to Chapel Roone.
Speaker 1: That's your new thing.
Speaker 6: There's potential.
Speaker 1: You should check out abel Heart. That's my new thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So back to this podcast. That's all over
Speaker 2: the place today, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: Let's just get to near Attendon because.
Speaker 2: Definitely got some stuff to say which is completely unrelated
Speaker 2: to anything we've been talking about. And that's my favorite
Speaker 2: thing about the podcast. It's all over the map.
Speaker 5: Cool cool, Hi, can you guys hear me.
Speaker 2: Hello, Nira, how are you? Would you like to be
Speaker 2: referred to as Nira? Do you want to go by
Speaker 2: your full name? How would you like.
Speaker 5: To near as fine? Near as fine?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I describe you as Nandhi, Yes, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 1: They'll call me by my lafe name. My first name's
Speaker 1: may Thea.
Speaker 5: But it's very nice.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I am How do I announce your last name?
Speaker 1: By the way, tand In?
Speaker 5: My dad totally americanized, Okay, this name.
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to assume. I was like, is
Speaker 1: it on the originally? Sure?
Speaker 4: I originally Tendon? Yes, originally tend In. But like I've
Speaker 4: just gotten with the flow of Tandon.
Speaker 2: We're here to talk with Nira Tandon from the White
Speaker 2: House about the reschedulization or rescheduling I should say, of marijuana.
Speaker 1: Hello, Yes, how are you. I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to get into this because I have a
Speaker 2: million questions about how it's going to work and timeframes
Speaker 2: and all of that. So it's a schedule one right now,
Speaker 2: same as math, same as methanol. And you guys want
Speaker 2: to change it to what is that where the schedule
Speaker 2: three comes in.
Speaker 4: Yes, we're changing it to Schedule three, which is much
Speaker 4: more like how we handle prescription drugs and strong medications
Speaker 4: like codine and other things, but not like LSD.
Speaker 5: And basically what happened here is the President.
Speaker 4: Set up a process for examining marijuana. It takes a
Speaker 4: little while, the process takes a little while, but basically
Speaker 4: the Department of Health and Human Services did a scientific
Speaker 4: analysis of whether we should really have how we should
Speaker 4: really look at marijuana, and whether marijuana really should be
Speaker 4: like ventanyl or LSD and other really intense drugs that
Speaker 4: you know are can be pretty dangerous.
Speaker 5: And so they consulted experts.
Speaker 4: And did a very third view and found that marijuana
Speaker 4: really should be Schedule three. And what that really means
Speaker 4: is it just really shouldn't be regulated, and the federal
Speaker 4: argument should not regulate it like it regulates.
Speaker 5: A drugs like LSD.
Speaker 4: And it may it will make it research easier, and
Speaker 4: I'll be a little bit easier for cannabis businesses to
Speaker 4: engage in lawful practices in their in their states. So
Speaker 4: it has that kind of impact. It does not legal
Speaker 4: Anyone's going to be honest with everyone, that's not that
Speaker 4: takes Congress. But what the President is doing is really
Speaker 4: using his executive powers to you know, to really move
Speaker 4: the needle.
Speaker 5: And you know, this is a really historic action.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not going to legalize things, but what
Speaker 2: does this mean for people who are currently serving time
Speaker 2: have been incarcerated under kind of regulations that we're dealing
Speaker 2: with the Schedule one drug.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's it. That's a great question.
Speaker 4: And I would say most fundamentally, the President believes that
Speaker 4: no one should be in jail for the mere possession
Speaker 4: of marijuana, and he's really acted on that.
Speaker 5: So he's ensured thousands.
Speaker 4: Of pounds thousands of pardons for people in federal prisons too,
Speaker 4: who are in who are basically in for drug possession
Speaker 4: or marijuana possessions specifically.
Speaker 5: So that's his overall approach.
Speaker 4: Now, this this rescheduling or moving from schedule to one,
Speaker 4: from Schedule one to get Edule three, doesn't actually impact
Speaker 4: It doesn't actually impact sentences because sentences.
Speaker 5: Are based on legislation.
Speaker 4: So President isn't able to just do that by executive action.
Speaker 4: What he is doing is taking them, you know, really
Speaker 4: the most sweeping executive action he can to ensure that
Speaker 4: our federal government looks at marijuana like it should, which
Speaker 4: is not in the same category as LSD.
Speaker 2: So what are some of the things that researchers found
Speaker 2: that made them, well the collectives say, hey, let's switch
Speaker 2: this from Schedule one to Schedule three. And I'm asking
Speaker 2: that question for a reason.
Speaker 4: They looked at addictiveness, impact on health, what the impact
Speaker 4: of marijuana is on you know, people's short term and
Speaker 4: long term health. It was a very detailed analysis, and
Speaker 4: they basically found that it should you know, shouldn't. It
Speaker 4: doesn't have the same impact as you know, other more
Speaker 4: dangerous drugs.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then the reason I asked that question is
Speaker 2: there's also been a lot of talk and maybe you
Speaker 2: guys haven't even gotten to this yet, but there's so
Speaker 2: much talk right now about psilocybin having similar impacts on health,
Speaker 2: whether it's your mental health or just overall anxiety.
Speaker 1: Anxiety is part of mental health.
Speaker 2: But is psilocybin something that people are going to look
Speaker 2: out in the future or are we taking this one
Speaker 2: step at a time?
Speaker 1: Where are you guys at with that?
Speaker 4: We are definitely taking it one step at a time,
Speaker 4: But I'd also say it's really up to the Department
Speaker 4: of Health and Human Services. These are scientific decisions, they're
Speaker 4: not political decisions, and I would really defer to them
Speaker 4: on how they're going to approach.
Speaker 5: Other drugs in the future. I know there's a.
Speaker 4: Wide debate about psilocybin, but I think that our view
Speaker 4: is that experts should really look at these issues and
Speaker 4: we defer to them and how to handle that.
Speaker 2: Do you have their phone number if we wanted to
Speaker 2: call them later inact?
Speaker 5: You know, I think it's I think it's on the internet.
Speaker 5: I don't have enough at the top of my hand.
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll find it. I am very into this. I
Speaker 2: think this is great. It's gonna hopefully have a positive
Speaker 2: impact on a lot of things and a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned something earlier talking about how businesses can
Speaker 2: operate can operate legally now, so you hear a lot
Speaker 2: of talk about, yes, it's been legalized state to state.
Speaker 2: Certain things have happened state to state, but federally it
Speaker 2: hasn't been so from what I hear, I do not
Speaker 2: obviously know a lot about this. I'm going to ask
Speaker 2: you the questions, how does it work. As far as
Speaker 2: let's say I own a business, I'm making money off
Speaker 2: of marijuana in the state of Michigan, and now I
Speaker 2: have all of this money, but the federal banks won't
Speaker 2: take it because federally it's illegal. How do you know
Speaker 2: how that's working or how that will change?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's actually it's just a bit convoluted here.
Speaker 4: But there's okay, a tax provision which says, so this
Speaker 4: is a US tax law that says companies that have
Speaker 4: drugs like Schedule one drugs that engage in schedule any
Speaker 4: practice related to Schedule one drugs have higher taxes. They
Speaker 4: can't really defer their payments, they can't really take some
Speaker 4: tax breaks that normal businesses can.
Speaker 5: So the the rescheduling affects.
Speaker 4: This affects these companies by making it you know, more
Speaker 4: of like how they treat prescription drugs, which is just
Speaker 4: another product. So it actually has a significant impact on
Speaker 4: businesses that are engaged in cannabis because, you know, all
Speaker 4: legally obviously in their in their states, because because of
Speaker 4: federal law, they have sort of uh, federal taxes that
Speaker 4: they pay.
Speaker 5: Under Schedule one that they wouldn't pay under scheduled free.
Speaker 4: So that is a that is an important aspect of rescheduling.
Speaker 2: That seems very important. Everybody wants to keep a little
Speaker 2: more money if they can, right, Yeah, So it's.
Speaker 4: A bit wonky and sorry to wank out, but that
Speaker 4: that is that is like, that is a big that
Speaker 4: is a big.
Speaker 5: Part of this as well in terms of impact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I mean you're you're the expert here. That's
Speaker 2: why I'm asking you all the questions. How did you
Speaker 2: get involved with this, like what is your background and
Speaker 2: how did you get to rescheduling marijuana or talking about it?
Speaker 5: Well, I have a job.
Speaker 4: My job is Domestic Policy Advisor to the President. I
Speaker 4: have see the domestic policy counsel at the White House,
Speaker 4: and really what that means is if there's on issues like.
Speaker 5: Childcare or healthcare, or crime or.
Speaker 4: Criminal justice and how we make our criminal justice system workfair,
Speaker 4: I oversee those issues for the President. So, you know,
Speaker 4: we look at marijuana rescheduling as and the President's approached marijuana,
Speaker 4: which is really just to say again that the way
Speaker 4: our country has treated marijuana has been really you know, suspects,
Speaker 4: black and brown people are criminalized at higher rates for
Speaker 4: marijuana marijuana possession, and so the President has looked at
Speaker 4: this from the perspective.
Speaker 5: Of what we should do people's health, but he's also
Speaker 5: looked at this from the perspective of just basic common
Speaker 5: fairness and.
Speaker 4: Having a criminal justice system that treats people equally. So
Speaker 4: from both of those ones that he's really approached marijuana
Speaker 4: policy and that's why he's part of so many people
Speaker 4: for marijuana possession, but also wanted to look at rescheduling
Speaker 4: to ensure that our you know, that our marijuana laws
Speaker 4: actually reflect expertise and basically come into the twenty first century.
Speaker 4: So that's why I'm That's how I got engaged in this,
Speaker 4: and I have that job for the president, and I've
Speaker 4: been doing domestic policy work for a long time and
Speaker 4: so it's a fun gig.
Speaker 5: Marijuana might be more fun than some of the other
Speaker 5: issues I have to work on. I've been happy to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 2: So this is not something that is potentially happening. This
Speaker 2: is definitely happening. So from correct, yes, So I.
Speaker 4: Do want to be clear this is that this is
Speaker 4: the beginning of the rule making process. The rule is
Speaker 4: on its way, like we expect this will happen, but
Speaker 4: I just want to be crystal clear that it'll be
Speaker 4: you know, it'll be several months till it's fully implemented.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you said that, because I wanted to
Speaker 2: know how that works. From the time that this was
Speaker 2: conceptualized and people said, you know what, this is something
Speaker 2: that we should absolutely do, change it from a Schedule
Speaker 2: one to a Schedule three. How long does that process
Speaker 2: take from the beginning to hopefully the end and it
Speaker 2: being finalized.
Speaker 4: Well, the President started this process in December of twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two. And what that in that process was to
Speaker 4: have the Department of Health and Human Services just first
Speaker 4: examine the schedule, like whether the schedule should stay at
Speaker 4: Schedule one or move to Schedule two or Schedule three
Speaker 4: for marijuana. So that process took a fair amount of time.
Speaker 4: It you just delivered its analysis on that basically last year,
Speaker 4: and now the Department of Justice just issued the beginning.
Speaker 5: Of the rule making process. So we'll go through this
Speaker 5: rolemaking process, you know, several months. It'll take. It'll take
Speaker 5: some time.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry to report that the wheels of government sometimes
Speaker 4: work slowly, but they.
Speaker 5: Also work deliberately.
Speaker 4: So our hope and expectation is that this will come out,
Speaker 4: you know, uh, sometime in the next several months, but
Speaker 4: that is really up to the Department of Justice, and
Speaker 4: we don't actually control that process at the White House
Speaker 4: at all.
Speaker 2: So when you say you really hope and you guys
Speaker 2: are are hopeful that this is going to happen in
Speaker 2: the next couple of months, what is something that would
Speaker 2: stop it from happening.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a it's a rule for
Speaker 4: the Department of Justice to work through. So you know,
Speaker 4: they they could they handle that process, and you know,
Speaker 4: it could get stemmy there. But I think everyone recognizes
Speaker 4: that this is a high priority. And again, the data
Speaker 4: and facts are very clear. And I also just think, look,
Speaker 4: I think most people get that marijuana is very different
Speaker 4: from fetanol or LSD, and the twenty four.
Speaker 5: Century we pies that reflect that reality.
Speaker 2: Do we know why it was initially classified in the
Speaker 2: same category as meth or fentinyl?
Speaker 1: Like, where did that come from?
Speaker 5: I mean that's decades and decades.
Speaker 4: Old, So that came from people's conceptions, you know, twenty thirty,
Speaker 4: forty fifty years ago. So that's you know, exactly why
Speaker 4: we started this process and why the President thought was
Speaker 4: really important because we should re examine There's been a
Speaker 4: lot of science on marijuana and over the last several decades,
Speaker 4: and particularly in the last decade, and h I just
Speaker 4: really looked at that data and found that, frankly, it
Speaker 4: made no sense for marijuana to be in Schedule one.
Speaker 2: Are there any parts of that data and that research
Speaker 2: that stand out to you as something that, hey, people
Speaker 2: really need to know this, this is why we're moving
Speaker 2: in the way that we're moving right now.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think the most important part of the
Speaker 4: data was really just a recognition that there's some pain,
Speaker 4: there's some pain benefits, a meaning it does actually address
Speaker 4: people's pain. There are there are some positives. I mean,
Speaker 4: the h just didn't say like everyone should smoke marijuana.
Speaker 4: Obviously there's some health impact they'll but it's just very
Speaker 4: different and that was the most important thing.
Speaker 5: That's very different from what's in the Schedule one.
Speaker 2: So if you want to tell people a couple of
Speaker 2: really important key facts about what is we're talking about
Speaker 2: right now into two sentences, how would you boil it down?
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it. I don't want you
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 4: I would say, uh, this is a very this is
Speaker 4: an important important measure. Whether I could get two centences,
Speaker 4: but I'd say fundamentally, the President has directed a process
Speaker 4: to ensure that scientists can research marijuana more easily and
Speaker 4: that marijuana is more accessible, and obviously always with safety
Speaker 4: in mind, always.
Speaker 1: With safety of mind. You think there's any chance of
Speaker 1: him coming to tell us any of this stuff too.
Speaker 5: I'm super down with that. So but that's not, that's
Speaker 5: above my pay grade.
Speaker 2: So that was a very nice Probably not, but we're
Speaker 2: still going to shoot for it. I think that this
Speaker 2: is incredible and I definitely think it's it's important information
Speaker 2: for people to know about. So if they want to
Speaker 2: do their own research and come find out what you
Speaker 2: guys are talking about, is their website, you can direct
Speaker 2: them to to get this information.
Speaker 4: I always direct people to the White House website. The
Speaker 4: President announced this. There's also he did a he did
Speaker 4: a video around this, so you know, all that is
Speaker 4: accessible online on social media.
Speaker 5: But also you can just.
Speaker 4: Go to the White House website and they'll have information.
Speaker 4: I can send you to the Department of Justice website
Speaker 4: that announced this, but it's it's really it's pretty walking.
Speaker 4: So I think I think the President explains I think
Speaker 4: it President explains it best in his video which is online.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was. I think we saw it
Speaker 2: on X. Maybe it was posted over there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, come on, X, is that what's.
Speaker 1: All the time? Okay?
Speaker 2: And I don't even know how you say, like, did
Speaker 2: you X something? I don't know you posted.
Speaker 5: I know I was supposed to say, did you X
Speaker 5: something that's here?
Speaker 1: It's a weird way to say it.
Speaker 2: But I think we'll find that audio and we'll play
Speaker 2: it right here so that people can actually hear it
Speaker 2: out of his mouth.
Speaker 8: This is monumental. Today my administration took a major step
Speaker 8: to reclassify marijuana from a Scheduled one drug to Schedule
Speaker 8: three drug. It's an important move toward reversing the long
Speaker 8: standing iniquities. Today's announcement bill's on the work we've already
Speaker 8: done to partner a record number of federal offenses for
Speaker 8: simple possession of marijuana, and as of the actual we've
Speaker 8: taken the lift parriage to housing, employment, small business loans,
Speaker 8: and so much more for tens of thousands of Americans. Look, folks, now,
Speaker 8: one should be in jail merely for using or possessing marijuana, period.
Speaker 8: Far too many lives have been upended because of failed
Speaker 8: approach to marijuana, and I'm committed to writing those wrongs.
Speaker 8: You have my word on it.
Speaker 5: Way better than me, way better than me.
Speaker 1: Not a chance.
Speaker 2: We're so excited that anybody from the White House staff
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to us, so thanks for the time
Speaker 2: to do that.
Speaker 4: Of course, as Superbride, I'll let everyone know it was great.
Speaker 2: Awesome, And if you guys have other stuff you want
Speaker 2: to talk about in the future as far as policy,
Speaker 2: because I know you just listed off like thirty things
Speaker 2: that you are working on. I am fascinated by this
Speaker 2: stuff and I would love to ask you a bunch
Speaker 2: more questions, So please feel free to reach out to
Speaker 2: us anytime about stuff we want to have.
Speaker 1: The conversations great.
Speaker 5: I love it all right, thanks so much for having me.
Speaker 1: Near a Tandon. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Have a fabulous day, and we will maybe go look
Speaker 2: up all these numbers that you talked about online right
Speaker 2: now bank see ya bye. First of all, Diamond, what
Speaker 2: were your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: I love that we're rescheduling, but I don't really know
Speaker 3: will it make a difference.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, so that's where I got a little confused.
Speaker 2: I thought there were going to be a lot more
Speaker 2: answers and kind of like definitive answers about things. It
Speaker 2: doesn't seem that that's the case. I also feel like
Speaker 2: that was such a brief snapshot into how politics work,
Speaker 2: which is like, hey, we're going to make this happen. Oh,
Speaker 2: but if you want X, Y, and Z to happen
Speaker 2: after that, that actually goes to these different departments and
Speaker 2: they move at their own pace and we'll figure out
Speaker 2: how it goes. And if you need those answers, you
Speaker 2: have to talk to them. I think it's definitely great
Speaker 2: to reschedule from a class one, which is insane, to
Speaker 2: classified weed as fentanyl and math. But now we're going
Speaker 2: to move in to schedule three. And then what does
Speaker 2: happen to all the people who are currently in jail
Speaker 2: for this thing that is now legal in all these states?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there's the presidential pardon, which is possible.
Speaker 2: Is he going to pardon a bunch of people?
Speaker 1: What if he doesn't win the election?
Speaker 3: And now all this you're doing all these things in
Speaker 3: the last what six months? Right?
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I don't think we're gonna get
Speaker 2: answers from them about a lot of stuff. And I
Speaker 2: would really like to actually see the numbers and like
Speaker 2: the data that backs up some of the stuff that
Speaker 2: they're saying, because it is really important if there are
Speaker 2: health benefits to highlight, like hey, maybe we should certainly some.
Speaker 1: Other drugs too, Yeah, like psilocybin.
Speaker 2: There have been so many proven studies that psilocybin is
Speaker 2: really good for certain mental health issues. And I mean,
Speaker 2: listen for Recreation Funness Book. I wish I'm not even
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not joking. So I wish everybody I knew
Speaker 2: could have one good trip in their life, just to
Speaker 2: understand what that feels like and how it changes your thought.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 2: I know, people are like, eh, you're pushing drugs. I am, well,
Speaker 2: this one I am. It's a mushroom, it's outside.
Speaker 3: Come on. I'm terrified, just because I've had bad trips
Speaker 3: with weed.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, a trip, damn it. Oh no, no, no.
Speaker 3: Ask my friends that were there. That was a trip.
Speaker 3: It was bad.
Speaker 1: I would like to hear about that. What happened.
Speaker 3: I there were two instances. Actually, one I just felt
Speaker 3: like I was in a daze, like that's literally my
Speaker 3: head helping. You know, it was bad and like everything
Speaker 3: was so loud, and I started freaking out and then
Speaker 3: I threw up, and it was like, what the hell
Speaker 3: is going on? And then the second time, you know
Speaker 3: how your foot falls asleep and you feel the little
Speaker 3: prickles or whatever, I felt it down my back and
Speaker 3: I thought that girl, I thought I was gonna die. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is on a music festival.
Speaker 2: That sounds terrible. Maybe somebody laced it with something, That's
Speaker 2: what I thought.
Speaker 3: I don't know. But everybody else was fine, and we
Speaker 3: all smoked together, and I'm like, maybe you smoke the
Speaker 3: seed you know you're not supposed to. And I'm like, oh, great, amazing.
Speaker 3: Maybe I did and nobody else did.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, So Diamond is out for any of the trips.
Speaker 2: This could change off the grid drastically.
Speaker 1: What do you and Andrew? Actually, Andrew does it too?
Speaker 7: Me?
Speaker 2: Josh and Andrew. If all three of us partake in something,
Speaker 2: are you just gonna be our babysitter?
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna do what I did when you and
Speaker 3: Andrew were looking at the stars and I got up
Speaker 3: and I left. Absolutely, I'm leaving. I'm done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the last off the grid trip we took.
Speaker 2: Andrew and I were sitting outside where we high yeah
Speaker 2: it might have been Yeah, in this one park there
Speaker 2: were no lights and the stars were everywhere. There were
Speaker 2: shooting stars. Diamond had never seen one so cool. But
Speaker 2: we're all laying on a rock. It was like Pride
Speaker 2: Rock from the Lion King. We're laying on a rock
Speaker 2: looking up at the sky, and Diamond all of a
Speaker 2: sudden was like, oh, there are bugs.
Speaker 1: I'm out. And she got up and left and she.
Speaker 2: Had to do a little walk through like woods by herself.
Speaker 1: I was very impressive. You actually did it in the
Speaker 1: dark by yourself.
Speaker 3: Out of there.
Speaker 2: She did not want those bugs around her. And I
Speaker 2: gotta be honest. When we walked back in, there was
Speaker 2: a giant one on me, and I said what I said, Andrew,
Speaker 2: don't tell Diamond that you had to get that bug on.
Speaker 1: You never told me this. It's been like three years. Oh,
Speaker 1: you were right, you were right. Those bugs were terrible.
Speaker 2: All that to say, we still have a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: It's good that they're gonna try and make this change.
Speaker 2: Hopefully it will make some significant change. Who's to say
Speaker 2: we already burned Andrew in the burn book.
Speaker 3: Early, Oh, because I have another one.
Speaker 2: Oh you want to burn Andrew? You want to burn
Speaker 2: someone else?
Speaker 3: Someone else? Okay, Aaron Rodgers, you're on my fucking list.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: You know, I really hope that the Jets have a
Speaker 3: good season. But I think that as Americas, we should
Speaker 3: take our platforms more seriously. And I think that he
Speaker 3: trolls a lot. And I know that he's insane in
Speaker 3: the membrane, right, but you know, like I mean for
Speaker 3: you too. Did you see do you know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking I do?
Speaker 1: Okay, what you're talking about?
Speaker 3: Okay, So over the weekend this past week, last weekend,
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers went to a UFC fight, and there's footage
Speaker 3: of Trump, President Trump, former President Trump, the convict walking
Speaker 3: past Aaron Rodgers, and he does nothing. He sees that
Speaker 3: he's walking past him. He doesn't look entertained or anything
Speaker 3: like that. And then he posts on his Instagram hours later,
Speaker 3: maybe a day later, a photo of them shaking hands
Speaker 3: and he's like so happy about.
Speaker 1: It, And to me, I think he's trolling.
Speaker 3: I don't take anything that he does outside of football seriously,
Speaker 3: and I think that he should take his platform a
Speaker 3: little bit more serious.
Speaker 1: Ce is real.
Speaker 2: We should really be thinking about this and wondering if
Speaker 2: if any of that has to do it. Say with
Speaker 2: all the when they act like Ryan Garcia, Obviously there's
Speaker 2: some other stuff happening with him, but I'm like, these
Speaker 2: people are getting hit in the head all the time.
Speaker 2: We need to worry about them. Okay, Aaron Rodgers, you're
Speaker 2: in the burn book too. I don't even have my
Speaker 2: phone open or do ask me anything. Just like the
Speaker 2: third week, we've skipped it.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: We'll be back, but dm me on Instagram at Baby
Speaker 2: Hot Sauce. If you can find me, ask me anything, truly,
Speaker 2: I'll go post a little thing for it. Diamond, how
Speaker 2: can people find you?
Speaker 3: At Diamond? Sincere on Instagram?
Speaker 1: Love that Say bye, We'll be back, Oh byeye