1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Good morning. 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: stories we're following today. 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: Karen, it is the big report Wall Street's been waiting 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: for all week, the August Jobs report. Economists are looking 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: for a gain of one hundred and sixty five thousand jobs, 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: with the unemployment rate ticking down a tenth to four 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: point two percent. We get a preview from Bloomberg's Michael McKee. 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 3: And now the main event. August Jobs is the biggest 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 3: data point ahead of a data dependent fed's next meeting, 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: at which they're expected to begin lowering the nation's benchmark 13 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: interest rate. How much they cut will depend on today's numbers, 14 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: or so. Wall Street thinks week job creation and or 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: a rise in the unemployment rate will pressure them to 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: lower the rate range by half a percentage point. The 17 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: opposite makes the case for just a quarter point reduction. 18 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: Something else to watch, average weekly hours. If the economy 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: is indeed slowing a lot, companies may cut back on 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 3: ours work for now rather than employees. Michael McKee, Bloomberg Radio. 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: All right, Mike, thank you, wil Chicago FED President Austin 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: Golesby sees mounting warning signs from the labor market. Speaking 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: to Dow Jones market Watch, Golesby said it's pretty clear 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: that the path is not just rate cuts soon, but 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: multiple cuts over the next twelve months. That sentiment was 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: echoed by billionaire investor John Paulson, who told Bloomberg Shanali 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: Bosik that the FED waited too long to ease. 28 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 4: Inflation Now is somewhere around three percent. Interest rates are 29 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 4: five percent, so real interest rates are too hot. So 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 4: the FED I think, waited too long to bring interest 31 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: rates down. So I think the likely course of action 32 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: is going forward is the FED will start to cut 33 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: interest rates. 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 5: What should they be by the end of twenty twenty five. 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 4: It's difficult to predict, but my best guesstimate would be 36 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 4: around three percent, perhaps two and a half percent. 37 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: John Paulson is known for making a massive bed against 38 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: the mortgage bonds before the two thousand and eight financial crisis. 39 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: He's been among those talked about as a potential Treasury 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: secretary if Donald Trump wins the presidency, and Karen. 41 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: John Paulson was among those in the audience as former 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: President Trump delivered a speech to Wall Street's elite at 43 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 2: the Economic Club of New York. The centerpiece of his 44 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: address was a promise for a big corporate tax cut. 45 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,679 Speaker 6: My plan calls for expanded R and D tax credits, 46 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 6: one hundred percent bonus appreciation expensing for new manufacturing investments, 47 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 6: and a reduction in the corporate tax rate from twenty 48 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 6: one percent to fifteen percent solely for companies that make 49 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 6: their product in America. 50 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: And that call four of fifteen percent corporate tax would 51 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 2: be a big drop from the twenty one percent in 52 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 2: Trump's own twenty seventeen tax law. The former president also 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: made a pitch for Elon Musk to take a role 54 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 2: in his administration. 55 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 6: I will create a Government Efficiency Commission task with conducting 56 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 6: a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal 57 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 6: government and making recommendations for drastic reforms. Need to do it, 58 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 6: and Elon, because he's not very busy, has agreed to 59 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 6: head that task force. 60 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: Former President Trump's speech to the Economic Club comes as 61 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 2: the latest Bloomberg News Morning Consult poll shows Trump's tax 62 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 2: ideas resonating with swing state voters. Forty six percent say 63 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: they trust Trump more on taxes, compared to forty four 64 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: percent for Vice President Kamala Harris. 65 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, Nathan and Update Now on a pair of back 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: to back legal hearings involving the former president and Bloomberg's 67 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Amy Morris reports. 68 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 7: Today's hearing is before the Second US Circuit Court of Appeals, 69 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 7: which will hear arguments in Trump's appeal of a jury's 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 7: verdict last year that ordered him to pay five million 71 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 7: dollars to writer Aging Carroll after finding him liable for 72 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 7: sexually assaulting and defaming her. Yesterday's hearing was over whether 73 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 7: the former president can be prosecuted for election interference after 74 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 7: the Supreme Court indicated that presidents have some immunity. Special 75 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 7: counsel Jacksmith's office has until September twenty sixth to file 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 7: an opening brief on that issue. Trump's lawyers have to 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 7: respond by October seventeenth. In Washington, Amy Morris Bloomberg Radio. 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 8: Thank you, Amy. 79 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: President Biden's son Hunter is avoiding another federal trial with 80 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: a surprise move. He has pleaded guilty to tax charges 81 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 2: hours before jury selection was supposed to begin in Los Angeles. 82 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: Abby Lowell is hunter Biden's lawyer. 83 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 9: Like millions of Americans, Hunter was late in filing and 84 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 9: paying his taxes. Unlike those millions of Americans, he was 85 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 9: charged criminally for his failures that occurred during the depths 86 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 9: of his addiction to drugs and outcome. 87 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: Abby Lowell says Hunter Biden wanted to spare his family 88 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: the pain of another trial after he was convicted on 89 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: federal gun charges in Delaware earlier this year. Biden now 90 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: faces up to seventeen years in prison on the tax 91 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: charges when he sentenced in December. Federal sentencing guidelines mean 92 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 2: he will probably face much less time than that. 93 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 1: Well, Nathan. The money keeps pouring in for Kamala Harris. 94 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: She raised three hundred and sixty one million dollars in August. 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 1: That's almost three times more than Trump did last month. 96 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 1: Harris has now raised six hundred and fifteen million since 97 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: President Joe Biden announced he would stand aside on July 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: twenty first. The flood of money for Harris highlights hower 99 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: candidacy has galvanized Democrats, fueling a surge in pulling numbers 100 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: and in fundraising. 101 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: Turned back to markets now Karen Warren Buffett continues to 102 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 2: unload shares of Bank of America. Bloomberg's John Tucker is 103 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: here with the details. Good morning, John, Do we know 104 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: why Buffett is selling? 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 10: Simply put no, Nathan A. Buffett has offered no public 106 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 10: explanation for his decision to pull back. In the latest 107 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 10: round of these transactions, Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway liquidate at seven 108 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 10: hundred and sixty million dollars of the stock since Tuesday, 109 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 10: So this extends his sales at Bank of America since 110 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 10: mid July. The selling means he's reaped about six point 111 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 10: nine seven billion dollars. This was all disclosed in regulatory filing. Now, 112 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 10: if Berkshire keeps selling at stake in the second largest 113 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 10: US bank could soon slide below ten percent, that's the 114 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 10: threshold for quick disclosures. Once he controls less than that, 115 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 10: the transactions become a little murky. The ninety four year 116 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 10: old began building Berkshire's investment in Bank of America with 117 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 10: a five billion dollar deal way back in twenty and eleven. 118 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 10: Know you are coming, John Tucker, Bloomberg. 119 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: Radio, All right, John, thank you well. Shares a broadcom 120 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: er down about ten percent in early trading that ship 121 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: supplier for Apple and other big tech companies, delivering a 122 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: disappointing sales forecast it was hurt by the portion of 123 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: its business that is not tied to artificial intelligence. It 124 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 1: is time now for a look at some of the 125 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: other stories making news in New York and around the world, 126 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 1: and for that we're joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. Michael, 127 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: good Morning, Good morning, Karen. 128 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 11: The fourteen year old boy accused of fatally shooting four 129 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 11: people at a Georgia high school is expected to make 130 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 11: his first court appearance today. Colt Gray has been charged 131 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 11: as an adult with four counts of murder. Authority said 132 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 11: the teen opened fire at Appalachi High School in winder 133 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 11: just outside Atlanta, killing two students and two teachers. Nine 134 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 11: others were wounded. Meanwhile, his father, Colin Gray, was also 135 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 11: arrested for allowing his son to possess a weapon. Georgia 136 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 11: Bureau of Investigation director Chris. 137 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 12: Hosey Colin is Colt Gray's father that was arrested yesterday. 138 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 12: He is charged with a following four counts of involuntary manslaughter, 139 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 12: two counts of second degree murder, and eight counts of 140 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 12: cruelty to children. 141 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 11: GBI director Chris Hosey says Colin Gray, who is fifty 142 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 11: four knowingly allowed his son, Colt to possess a weapon. 143 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 11: The FBI says they received tips last year about possible 144 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 11: threats posted to social media by the teenager, but authority 145 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 11: said Colt Gray denied ever making the post, and no 146 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 11: arrests were made lacking probable cause. Secretary of State Antony B. 147 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 11: Lincoln said he expects the US and other mediators to 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 11: present a new proposal for a hostage exchange and ceasefire 149 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 11: between Israel and Amas in the coming days. Secretary Blincoln 150 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 11: said every day without an agreement makes the ceasefire and 151 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 11: hostage release harder to reach. 152 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 13: Close as I believe we are to getting a ceasefire agreement. 153 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 8: Every day that. 154 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 13: Goes by where it is not finalized and the parties 155 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 13: don't say yes period is a day in which something 156 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 13: else happens and there is an intervening event which simply 157 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 13: pushes things off. 158 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 11: Secretary Blincoln made his comments while in Haiti. Blincoln also 159 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 11: announced another forty five million dollars in USA to Haiti. 160 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 11: Sweeping federal raids targeted several top mayoral aids and officials 161 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 11: In New York City. Federal authorities issued su poenas and 162 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 11: sees new York City Police Commissioner Edward Caban's cell phone. 163 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 11: The Mayor's Chief Council says there is there's no indication 164 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 11: Mayor Adams is the target of any investigation. For months, 165 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 11: the FEDS have been investigating whether Adams and his twenty 166 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 11: twenty one campaign took a legal foreign money, but according 167 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 11: to ABC, this investigation is different. Global News twenty four 168 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 11: hours a day, whenever you want it with Bloomberg News Now. 169 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 11: I'm Michael Barr. This is Bloomberg Cameron. 170 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: Sorry, Michael Barr, thank you time now for the Bloomberg 171 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: Sports Update, and we welcome back John stash Hour, John, Good. 172 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 14: Morning, Good morning, Karen. 173 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 11: Hecky be a way to start a season. 174 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 14: Rematch of last year's AS Championship game, quarterbacks with multiple 175 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 14: MVPs and the game literally not decided until the final play. 176 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 14: The Ravens and Chiefs both scored on their first possessions 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 14: of the season. Kansas City went up by ten. Baltimore 178 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 14: was down seven when it took over and its own 179 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 14: thirteen yard line out of two minutes left, the Ravens drove. 180 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 14: It appeared that Lamar Jackson had hooked up with Isaiah 181 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 14: Likely on a touchdown, but was zero's on the clock. 182 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 14: Replay determined likely had his toe out of bounds. The 183 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 14: Chiefs won twenty seven to twenty. Patrick Mahomes twenty of 184 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 14: twenty eight rookie Xavier Worthy two Casey touchdowns, wanted to 185 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 14: catch the other on a run. Jackson in defeat ran 186 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 14: for a game high hundred and twenty two yards come back. 187 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 14: At the US Open, Jessica Pagoula shrounced in the first 188 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 14: set by Carolina Macoba six to one. She came back 189 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 14: won the next two sixty four six ' two. 190 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 15: Looking a little rough there for a while, but somehow 191 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 15: I've found away and was actually able to play some 192 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 15: really good tennis and keep that momentum, you know, a 193 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 15: lot through that third set and close it out. But yeah, 194 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 15: I thought in the third we had some really good 195 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 15: tennis under the second and third. But yeah, happy just 196 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 15: with the way I was able to compete. 197 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 14: So Pagoula, who was in her first Grand Slam semi 198 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 14: final that on the Open final tomorrow, will take on 199 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 14: Arena Sablenka. She took out Mma Navarro the American, but 200 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 14: with Pegoula's win and with two Americans, Taylor Fritz and 201 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 14: Francis Tiafo facing off Antonit's men Semi's an American will 202 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 14: be in both singles finals. The Mets were off, will 203 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 14: host Cincinnati tonight, going for an eighth straight winner. Now 204 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 14: tied with Atlanta Yankees first series at Wrigley fieldsince twenty 205 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 14: seventeen day game with the Cubs. John stashed with Bloomberg 206 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 14: Sports Karen Nathan. 207 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 8: Coast to Coast on Bloomberg Radio, nationwide on Sirius XM, 208 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 8: and around the world on Bloomberg dot Com and the 209 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 8: Bloomberg Business app. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 210 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager, continuing our focus on politics 211 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: and the economy with hedge fund billionaire John Paulson. He 212 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: joined Bloomberg Schanelli Bassek for a conversation on the Fed 213 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: interest rates and Donald Trump. Paulson has served as an 214 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: economic advisor to the former president. The interview began with 215 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: a question about the deficit. Let's listen in. 216 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 4: I'm not that concerned because the reduction in corporate taxes 217 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 4: was just for a segment of the corporate population, and 218 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: it concern those that are involved in US manufacturing overall. Currently, 219 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 4: we have about a two trillion dollar deficit under the 220 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: current administration. President Trump feels confident that could be reduced 221 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 4: several ways. One is through the revenue earned from tariffs, 222 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 4: which could be substantial. Two is by cutting wasteful spending. 223 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: The most important item he alluded to was the Green 224 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 4: New Deal, which over time adds up to somewhere around 225 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: a trillion in spending. And the third is not providing 226 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 4: federal benefits to illegal immigrants. So net, these revenue generation 227 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 4: and savings will offset any minor adjustments to the tax code. 228 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 5: You have obviously been a very large supporter of the 229 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 5: former president in this cycle. What underpins your faith in him? 230 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 4: First of all, his policies, which under his administration were 231 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 4: very successful. While people or these studies referred to, are 232 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 4: concerned about potential inflation or deficits. Under his four years, 233 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 4: the average annual inflation was only one point nine percent, 234 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 4: interest rates were very low, and oil prices were very low, 235 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 4: and real wages for the average worker increased. Under the 236 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 4: Biden administration, which is supposed to be for the average worker, 237 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 4: real wages declined because inflation was so high, interest rates 238 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 4: are much higher, and oil prices are much higher. So 239 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 4: when you look at the benefits four years under Trump 240 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 4: or four years under Biden, the average American has done 241 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: much better under Trump. 242 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 5: I also want to talk about interest rates because at 243 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 5: the end of the day, there has been a lot 244 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: of concern on Wall Street about what a Trump administration 245 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 5: would mean when it comes to the Federal Reserve. There was, 246 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 5: of course, that Wall Street Journal report a number of 247 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 5: months ago that question whether the Federal Reserve would remain independent, 248 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 5: And then we also have the former president commenting in 249 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 5: an interview with Bloomberg as well, saying that the President 250 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 5: can certainly be talking about interest rates because he has 251 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 5: good instincts. That doesn't mean he's calling the shot, but 252 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 5: it does mean he should have a right to talk 253 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 5: about it like anyone else. Do you share that concern 254 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 5: that you could potentially damage the reputation of the Federal 255 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 5: Reserve as an independent organization. 256 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: No, I don't share that concern. I think it is 257 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 4: important for the President and the White House and the 258 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 4: Treasurer Secretary to comment on economic policy, including interest rate policy. 259 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 4: But ultimately the decision is up to the Fed. But 260 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 4: it's important for the Fed to hear other viewpoints and 261 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 4: to make sure the Fed policies then sync with overall 262 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 4: fiscal policy to that end. 263 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 5: What do you believe should happen with interest rate policy 264 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 5: through the end of the world. 265 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: When you look at inflation now is somewhere around three percent, 266 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: interest rates are five percent, So real interest rates are 267 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 4: too hot. So the FED I think, waited too long 268 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: to bring interest rates down. So I think the likely 269 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: course of actually going forward is the FED will start 270 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: to cut interest rates. 271 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 5: What should they be by the end of twenty twenty five. 272 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: It's difficult to predict, but my best guesstimate would be 273 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 4: around three percent, perhaps two and a half percent. 274 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 5: And what would that mean in terms of ripple effects 275 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 5: across the economy. 276 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 4: Well, it's generally beneficial. The major cost when you get 277 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 4: a mortgage is the interest rates. So if mortgage, if 278 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 4: the cost of mortgages come down, the cost of buying 279 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: a home would also come down, and that makes a 280 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: housing affordability go up, and you know that would spur 281 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 4: a new housing development. 282 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 5: So another thing that the former president had tried to 283 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 5: do in office the last time around was privatized Danny Freddie, 284 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 5: is that something you think you would be able to 285 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 5: accomplish or as talking about accomplishing and then a potential 286 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 5: next term. 287 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: I think it makes sense. The intention of the Conservative 288 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 4: ship was to temper rarely put Fanny and Freddy in 289 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 4: conservativeship while they built up their capital. Initially, all the 290 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: earnings of Fanny and Freddy were swept out by the government, 291 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 4: but after Steve Manuchin left office he no longer allowed 292 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: that policy. 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