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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: Jay Skersky covers the Buffalo Bills for the Buffalo News

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Speaker 2: Beat writer for the Bills, Jay, when did you get

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Speaker 2: word that the owner was going to show up at

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Speaker 2: the press conference?

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Speaker 3: That would have been the night before, so that would

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Speaker 3: have been Tuesday evening, and the release was very generic,

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Speaker 3: so we did not know whether Terry Pegula is going

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Speaker 3: to take questions. That's something he has not done since

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. So in in many ways, this was kind

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Speaker 3: of a monumental press conference in the sense of Terry

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Speaker 3: Pagoula answering questions from the media.

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Speaker 2: Okay, but when did you realize that this might go sideways?

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Speaker 4: Well, if you know.

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Speaker 3: The history with Terry Pagoula and press conferences, you know

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Speaker 3: that you know that the possibility is there. He public

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Speaker 3: speaking is not his strong suit. I think there are

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Speaker 3: a few different reasons that he does it very rarely.

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Speaker 3: It was obviously the interrupting the question about Keon Coleman

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Speaker 3: that it seemed to kind of get away from from

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Speaker 3: Terry Pagoula. I think that was definitely the moment where

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Speaker 3: he kind of stepped in it. During the press conference.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure if he could do it again, he would

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Speaker 3: have taken that moment back. But yeah, that was That

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Speaker 3: was certainly the moment where it was like, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: is getting a little hairy here.

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Speaker 2: But he wasn't even asked about Keon Coleman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, he was not.

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Speaker 3: Now the question was directed to Brandon Bean and it

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Speaker 3: was about the wide receiver room in general and support

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Speaker 3: for Josh Allen.

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Speaker 4: It was a very fair question.

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Speaker 3: It was a topic really throughout the season here in Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: and for the owner to interject himself in that way,

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Speaker 3: I think really created a mess for his general manager

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Speaker 3: to try and clean up.

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Speaker 2: But I'm trying to understand. He said that this was

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Speaker 2: based on that game, the outcome in Denver. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Did he address Josh Allen's role in that game and

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Speaker 2: how poor he performed.

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Speaker 4: He did not know.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he the only mention of Josh Allen that

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Speaker 3: he made was just how devastated he was in the

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Speaker 3: locker room after the game. And if you watch Josh

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Speaker 3: Allen's postgame press conference you could see it. I agree

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Speaker 3: with Pegoula, it was easily the most emotional, most devastated

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Speaker 3: that I have seen the quarterback during his time in Buffalo,

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Speaker 3: and listen, they've had some heartbreaking playoff failures here with

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen. But the difference in this one, I think

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Speaker 3: in many ways, and Josh Allen alluded to it, is

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Speaker 3: that the quarterback feels like he cost his team the

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Speaker 3: game because he did turn the ball over as much

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Speaker 3: as he did. We're accustomed to Josh Allen playing terrific

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Speaker 3: football in the playoffs, even if it doesn't result in

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Speaker 3: a Bill's win. Unfortunately, in this game for the Bills

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Speaker 3: against the Broncos, Josh Allen did not do that.

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Speaker 2: I wondered, and I said this leading up to the game,

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Speaker 2: if he was coaching for his job. Turns out that

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Speaker 2: he was coaching for his job. Could he have kept

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Speaker 2: his job without anything other than a Super Bowl appearance?

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Speaker 4: I am skeptical of that.

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Speaker 3: I asked Terry Pagoula that question, that very question yesterday.

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Speaker 3: Had they won and lost in the ANFC Championship game

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Speaker 3: or lost in the Super Bowl, would we still be

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Speaker 3: sitting here today talking about Sean Sean McDermott being fired.

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Speaker 3: Pagoula said he didn't want to speculate it. Speculate on that,

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Speaker 3: but a non answer in that situation to me almost

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Speaker 3: reads affirmative. I do think that he was coaching for

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Speaker 3: his job and anything short of a Super Bowl this

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Speaker 3: year was going to lead to a change.

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Speaker 2: Anybody talked to coach McDermott, I have.

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Speaker 4: Just through text.

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Speaker 3: He was incredibly gracious, as you would imagine. I thought

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Speaker 3: the statement that he put out was just pure class,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of if you've been around Seawan and

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Speaker 3: know Sean, the way that I do was to be expected,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 4: I think that what's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Here, Dan is that I think a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: over the past few years and the playoff failures, have

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Speaker 3: sort of thought that, hey, maybe this is the route

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Speaker 3: that the Bills need to go, that they need to change,

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Speaker 3: you know, make a change that Sean McDermott has taken

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Speaker 3: them as far as that he can. But when that

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Speaker 3: change was actually made, the reaction amongst many of the

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Speaker 3: fans has been overwhelming sadness and sort of you know,

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Speaker 3: feeling for a guy who wanted nothing more than to

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Speaker 3: bring a Super Bowl to Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: I think the fans probably would may have been a

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say joyous joyous, but if you had

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Speaker 2: John Harball available, Mike Tomlin's not going to coach. But

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Speaker 2: who's coming in and who is that person who takes

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Speaker 2: you to the next level, Because if you're walking in,

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Speaker 2: I'm expecting that that owner is expecting you to be

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Speaker 2: the difference here, there.

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Speaker 3: Is an immense amount of pressure on whoever takes this job.

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Speaker 3: The expectation is win a super Bowl, and win it

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Speaker 3: in your first year.

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Speaker 4: I did some research on that.

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Speaker 3: There have been seven coaches in league history of who

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Speaker 3: have reached the Super Bowl in their first season.

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Speaker 4: Four of them have won it.

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Speaker 3: Falling anything short of that is going to be deem

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Speaker 3: a failure and is going to be the question is

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Speaker 3: going to be asked, well, why'd you move on from

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Speaker 3: Sean McDermott in the first place if this new guy

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Speaker 3: can't even get us, you know, to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: So while the job obviously has its advantages, right coaching

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen, one of the best players on the planet,

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Speaker 3: makes it makes it an attractive job. It's got a

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Speaker 3: rabid fan base, It's moving into a new stadium next year.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of positives to this job, but

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Speaker 3: the pressure that it comes with, I think is unlike

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Speaker 3: any job. Really in the NFL. The only maybe fair

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Speaker 3: comparison is the Ravens opening.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Bills are going to regret this?

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Speaker 3: It's a hard question to answer if I had to

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Speaker 3: answer today, just because of that pressure, and you know

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Speaker 3: what failure looks like for a new head coach.

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Speaker 4: I think they very well could.

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Speaker 3: I do want to point out that it can work out, right,

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Speaker 3: We've seen changes like this have have been made in

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Speaker 3: the past, and you know, maybe the best example is

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Speaker 3: on and they win it all. So it can work,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of things have to go right. You

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Speaker 3: have to nail the head coaching higher, and Brandon Bean

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Speaker 4: I think that was when we.

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Speaker 3: Talk about the fallout of McDermott being fired. A lot

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Speaker 3: of people looking at this saying they fired the wrong

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Speaker 3: roster built around Josh Allen and that falls to Brandon Bean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought they overachieved this year, and yes, I

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Speaker 2: know the window of opportunity was there with the other quarterbacks,

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Speaker 2: marquee quarterbacks who didn't make it this far. I'm guess

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Does Josh Allen do an exit interview?

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Speaker 2: Is he going to be available for the media?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first sign that maybe something was

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Speaker 3: a little bit off. We did not hear from him

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Speaker 3: on Sunday, the day after the season ended for locker

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Speaker 3: clean out we always have in the past. We were

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Speaker 3: told at that time Josh Allen wanted a couple of

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Speaker 3: days to sort of process the season. Knowing the emotion

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Speaker 3: that he had Saturday night. I think we all respected

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Speaker 3: that and understood it. I spoke with someone very close

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Speaker 3: to Josh Allen last night. He expressed confidence in Terry

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Speaker 3: Pegoula and Brandon Bean moving forward. I do not expect

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Speaker 3: that we will hear from Josh Allen in a press

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Speaker 3: conference setting or in a public setting until the Bills

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Speaker 3: hire a new head coach.

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Speaker 2: What is your question for Josh Allen?

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Speaker 3: What was your reaction to Sean McDermott being fired? Is

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Speaker 3: the first question, because without hearing from Josh Allen, and

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Speaker 3: with the way that Terry Pegoula answered the question about

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Speaker 3: was your starting quarterback on board with this decision, basically

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Speaker 3: sidestepping the question.

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Speaker 4: I think it does invite some.

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Speaker 3: Cloudiness, some mystery in terms of how Alan really felt

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Speaker 3: about it. I think the relationship with McDermott and Allen

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Speaker 3: had really strengthened in recent years. And it listen, it's

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Speaker 3: the only head coach he's ever known in the NFL,

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Speaker 3: And so how.

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Speaker 4: Is he taking this?

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I spoke with someone very close to

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Speaker 3: him who did tell me that he's not ready to

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Speaker 3: speak publicly, but he is confident in Pagoula and being

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Speaker 3: moving forward. But I think we need to fully kind

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Speaker 3: of explore that idea and that topic with him.

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Speaker 2: You bring up a tell though, when he doesn't do

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Speaker 2: what he's done before. Yes, it's emotional. I'm guessing he's

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Speaker 2: been really emotional with all of these playoff losses. But

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Speaker 2: it's almost as if I'm not going to speak to

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Speaker 2: you because I know what's coming. I know that my

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Speaker 2: coach is going to get fired. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: be talking to you on Sunday knowing he's getting fired Monday.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're not wrong in feeling that.

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Speaker 3: I think there's certainly that sentiment is out there and

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Speaker 3: the evidence would suggest. I would say, though, Dan, that

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Speaker 3: the reality was that this loss did hit harder. Just

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Speaker 3: seeing how devastated he was in that locker room was

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Speaker 3: unlike anything we've seen. And listen, we've lived through thirteen seconds,

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Speaker 3: We've lived through miss field goals. We've lived through you know,

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Speaker 3: fourth and one being stopped in the AFC Championship game

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Speaker 3: in Kansas City where it looked like you should have

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Speaker 3: had a first down. I mean, he has been through

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Speaker 3: it in the postseason, but there may be a part

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Speaker 3: of Josh Allen, whether he knew Sean McDermott was getting

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Speaker 3: fired or not, there may be a part of him

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Speaker 3: that had that realization that we have gone as far

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Speaker 3: as we can go together as a quarterback and head coach,

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Speaker 3: and it's not far enough.

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Speaker 2: Jay, great stuff, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you having me, Dan, Thank.

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Speaker 2: Best coaching vacancy right now is where.

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Speaker 7: Because I saw two people who, you know, we want

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Speaker 7: Sean Payton. I actually would throw another variable in their

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Speaker 7: can Sean Payton coach a game that allows this quarterback

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Speaker 2: How can you tell when a moment is too big

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Speaker 7: When you do things that are uncharacteristics or your athleticism

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Speaker 7: How could somebody tell when you're uncomfortable is because you

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Speaker 2: Do, you're MVP as Hill.

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Speaker 2: Explain to me, well, I don't know. Let me ask

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Speaker 7: Wow, Mike Rabel, because of the level of achievement relative

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Speaker 6: It's.

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Speaker 6: That's culture.

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Speaker 7: And I'm gonna do those things when nobody else is around.

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Speaker 2: I know you're proud to LSU alone.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, I love Lane Kiffin because I think Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 7: Like I've been talking to you for years. I know

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Speaker 2: Now, where do you think I'm going with this? Where

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Speaker 7: My idea was that you were going. Did I like

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, yeah, go ahead. It feels like this is

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Speaker 7: I think we have recency, Boss, and we always have

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Speaker 6: The Big Ten is one three in a row.

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Speaker 7: Right now, the Big Ten is the is the preeminent

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Speaker 7: He said that tongue in cheek, but there's some validity

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Speaker 7: to it based on the conversation you and I've had.

444
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,959
Speaker 7: I'm a Southern board like I enjoy going to New

445
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Speaker 7: York to visit around the holidays and seeing the tree

446
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Speaker 7: at Rockefeller cent and all that good stuff. But Buod

447
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 7: like the South, baby. But I think because now because

448
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 7: Mark Cuban and Indiana, because Ellison, I think I have

449
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Speaker 7: his name right, the big Michigan Booster and all those

450
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Speaker 7: guys like because there's so much money in these Northeastern

451
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Speaker 7: in schools around the country, you're getting players that normally

452
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Speaker 7: set in Tuscaloosa or set in Athens, or set in

453
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Speaker 7: baton rouge and wait their turn. They're like, why would

454
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Speaker 7: I wait and play two years when I can go

455
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Speaker 7: play four years and make a million bucks? And so

456
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 7: now the playing field has become leveled, so to speak.

457
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Speaker 7: But all things are cynical, cyclical, but make no mistake

458
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Speaker 7: about it. And I'm telling you and your cronies right

459
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 7: now the same thing. The best conference in America is

460
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Speaker 7: still the SEC. And if you don't believe me, just

461
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Speaker 7: ask great, thank you.

462
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Speaker 2: Oh do you think Greg Sankey would go? No, booger,

463
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Speaker 2: it's the Big ten you you know better. It just

464
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Speaker 2: feels like, hey, there's now everybody can pay. And as

465
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Speaker 2: I was told, you either have tech money or oil money.

466
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Speaker 2: And some of these schools in the SEC do not

467
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Speaker 2: have tech money and oil money and these other programs.

468
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Speaker 2: Indiana winning the national title would be like Vandy winning

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Speaker 2: the national title.

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Speaker 7: And Vandy won what ten games this year? So Vandy

471
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Speaker 7: was close. Vandy was on the precipice. Yeah, because you know,

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Speaker 7: to your point, all which would I rather have? I'd

473
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Speaker 7: rather have oil money because oil money is pumping daily,

474
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Speaker 7: It's coming out of the ground. So at some point

475
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Speaker 7: the tech industry goes up.

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Speaker 4: And down.

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Speaker 7: We've seen that. Just go back and look at our

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Speaker 7: stock market over the last forty years. Tech goes up

479
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Speaker 7: and down. You know what's not going up and down

480
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Speaker 7: that stuff that's coming out the ground.

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Speaker 6: Because how many.

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Speaker 2: Schools, how many schools do you have in the SEC

483
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Speaker 2: Oklahoma and Texas that are pumping.

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Speaker 7: Oklahoma, Texas, Texas, A and m Arkansas's got the you know,

485
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Speaker 7: got Walmart money.

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Speaker 6: That's pretty good money.

487
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Speaker 7: Last time I checked, they got four billionaires that are

488
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Speaker 7: you know, own Walmart, Tyson Chicken. I mean, it's a

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Speaker 7: Here's the one thing that I've been amazed by DP

490
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Speaker 7: and and maybe this doesn't amaze you because you're filthy rich.

491
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Speaker 7: I have been amazed by the amount of money that

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Speaker 7: people have in this country and people that got money

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Speaker 7: you didn't even know about. Like there are people at

494
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Speaker 7: these schools that have billions with a B that you

495
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Speaker 7: have never even heard of. And they've come out of

496
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Speaker 7: the woodwork since nil has become like the thing to

497
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Speaker 7: be because they want to be like, they want to

498
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Speaker 7: be known. They may not want the microphone, but they

499
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Speaker 7: want people to know, Hey, I'm helping school school X,

500
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Speaker 7: and I can do it because I'm a billionaire with

501
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Speaker 7: the bee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, they don't hold press conferences like Terry Pocula.

503
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Speaker 2: They just said, all right, here you go, here's some money.

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Speaker 6: Private question for you.

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Speaker 7: Speaking of terryra Goole, here's a question for you, because

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Speaker 7: I always have a question for you. If you're Keon

507
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Speaker 7: Coleman and you just heard the owner in the GM

508
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 7: basically said that we don't want you, how do you

509
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Speaker 7: show back up to work in that building? Or do

510
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Speaker 7: you or do you ask for a free How do

511
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Speaker 7: you think the whole Keon Coleman thing works out?

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Speaker 2: Well? I would lay low for a little while, but

513
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Speaker 2: I would realize my days are numbered and I would

514
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Speaker 2: say to you know, eventually, your GM, you know, can

515
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Speaker 2: you find another location for me?

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Speaker 6: Interesting?

517
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think ultimately that's the way it's going to go.

518
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Speaker 7: But I just feel that I.

519
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Speaker 2: Felt bad for the kid, though I agree with you,

520
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 2: like like he caught strays, What did he do? I mean,

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, I know he didn't play like they thought

522
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Speaker 2: he was going to play, But who drafted him? And

523
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Speaker 2: then they can't even agree on who drafted or didn't

524
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Speaker 2: draft him, who wanted him, who didn't And he's probably

525
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Speaker 2: going wait a minute. Why am I trending here?

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Speaker 7: But guess what, He's different than any other player, Like

527
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Speaker 7: most of the time in your first and second year,

528
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Speaker 7: you're trying to figure it out. Like he's a young,

529
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Speaker 7: snotty nose kid. He shows up late. Guess what I

530
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 7: showed up late my rookie year. He's made some mistakes,

531
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Speaker 7: but you know what you do. You you bet on

532
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Speaker 7: the talent that you drafted. You coach him up, you

533
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Speaker 7: give him three or four years, and you see what

534
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Speaker 7: kind of player develop you get.

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Speaker 6: And I think he could develop into a really good player.

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Speaker 7: The problem is right now he's gonna walk into that

537
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Speaker 7: building if he ever does again, and have zero confidence.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I would too, because everybody's gonna be wondering

539
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: the same thing. How did you feel when you heard

540
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Speaker 2: ownership and management talk about that he is Bucker McFarlane

541
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Speaker 2: of the Mothership And you can catch him NFL Prime Time,

542
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Speaker 2: which can be seen on ESPN following the NFC Championship game,

543
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Speaker 2: normally on ESPN Plus. But you're on the mother Ship

544
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Speaker 2: Sunday night. Look at you, big tongue.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's gonna it's gonna be fun.

546
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Speaker 7: I mean every now and they put me in Berman

547
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Speaker 7: on TV and you'll get a chance to see it.

548
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Speaker 7: And maybe you agree with this. Not I think he's

549
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Speaker 7: the greatest, and this is no offense to you. I

550
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 7: think he's the greatest highlight reader I've ever seen. Now,

551
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Speaker 7: there's a bunch of you guys that are good you, Stuart, Scott,

552
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Speaker 7: Van pelt Rich Eisen. I think Berman is the greatest ever.

553
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Speaker 7: I don't know if you disagree or agree or where

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Speaker 7: you think he ranks in there.

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Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. Okay, yeah, no problem

556
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Speaker 2: with that.

557
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Speaker 6: He's phenomenal.

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Speaker 7: And for me, it's been really cool to kind of

559
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Speaker 7: watch him and pick his brain and work with him.

560
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Speaker 6: And I can't wait for Sunday night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that they brought him back. I actually

562
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Speaker 2: went to management. I went to Jimmy Patarro and I said,

563
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Speaker 2: you've got to bring Chris back. And you know, to

564
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Speaker 2: Jimmy's credit, you know, he did bring him back because

565
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Speaker 2: I said, he is the NFL Prime time there's nobody

566
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Speaker 2: else that should be doing that. He's got the energy

567
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Speaker 2: to do it. And when we I went back for

568
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Speaker 2: the anniversary, I did talk to him and I said it,

569
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Speaker 2: you know, it mean the world I didn't want Chris

570
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Speaker 2: to disappear, and I thought he was disappearing and he

571
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: meant too much to the place. He's the most important

572
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Speaker 2: person who's ever walked in that building, and I said,

573
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Speaker 2: name a building, have a statue, whatever, Just don't forget him.

574
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Speaker 2: Him and Bob Lee tom Mes. Never forget them. They

575
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: might disappear from the you know, the public eye. But

576
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Speaker 2: I just didn't want that to happen to Chris because

577
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Speaker 2: in large part I got my opportunity because I wanted

578
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Speaker 2: to be there. I wanted to be in that environment,

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Speaker 2: and Chris created that environment.

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Speaker 7: Well, I'll definitely make sure he knows that you said that. Man,

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Speaker 7: he appreciates that stuff. Thank you Booker. Good to talk

582
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Speaker 7: to you about him. Have a good weekend.

583
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Speaker 6: Always, man, look forward to you guys. Have a great day.

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Speaker 2: I saw this article and it has to do with

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers looking into everything that's gone wrong

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Speaker 2: with all of the injuries. This includes an investigation into

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Speaker 2: a viral conspiracy theory that the electrical substation near the

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Speaker 2: training facility and the forty nine ers stadium is contributing

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Speaker 2: to those injuries. John Lynch, the general manager, spoke yesterday,

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Speaker 2: you have.

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Speaker 9: To look into everything, and so our guys have been

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Speaker 9: We've been reaching out to anyone and everyone to see

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Speaker 9: does a study exist rather than a guy sticking apparatus

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Speaker 9: underneath the fence and coming up with a number that

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Speaker 9: I have no idea what that means.

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Speaker 6: That's what we know exists.

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Speaker 9: We've heard that debunked, you know, so yes, we will

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Speaker 9: look into it. We have and will always be cognizant

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Speaker 9: of things. I know that a lot of games have

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Speaker 9: been won at this facility, you know, since it opened.

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Speaker 9: But yeah, we aren't going to turn a blind eye,

606
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Speaker 9: will look into everything.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Washington Post has a writer who's been covering this,

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Speaker 2: Sam forty, a who joins us on the program. Sam,

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Speaker 2: how'd you get connected with this story?

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Speaker 8: Tony? My girlfriend came over to me and showed me

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Speaker 8: a TikTok and was like, hey, have you heard about this?

612
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Speaker 8: And it was it was a tweet that had gone viral.

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Speaker 8: You know, Google maps had a big circle and it

614
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Speaker 8: had the stranger things music. It was very ominous, and

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Speaker 8: I was like, come on like that. You know, conspiracy

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Speaker 8: theories go viral on the internet all the time. But

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Speaker 8: then during Niners Eagles, one of my coworkers, Albert Samaha,

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Speaker 8: who I worked in the story with, texted our group

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Speaker 8: chat and was like, hey, guys, this is really picking

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Speaker 8: up momentum. And then I just thought to myself, Hey,

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Speaker 8: it is not news that you know, someone has a

622
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Speaker 8: conspiracy theory, but let's see if people are interested in this.

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Speaker 8: So I, you know, I'm used to be an NFLB writer,

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Speaker 8: So I texted you know, three dozen agents and like

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Speaker 8: as much as anything that I've ever reached out to

626
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Speaker 8: them about, people were hitting me back like, yeah, have

627
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 8: heard of this. Players are talking about this, And to me,

628
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Speaker 8: the news was whether or not this is real some

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Speaker 8: players might be buying in.

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Speaker 2: What experts did you talk to?

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Speaker 8: We talked to several experts in EMF electromagnetic fields, and

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Speaker 8: basically they explained that there's no scientific evidence to say

633
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Speaker 8: this is possible. But two of them, two of the

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Speaker 8: three that we talked to, you said it wouldn't hurt

635
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Speaker 8: to study it more. This is a field that hasn't

636
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Speaker 8: really been studying. People have been studying cell phone toowers more.

637
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Speaker 8: But the people that we talked to are experts in

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Speaker 8: this specific thing, the EMF electromagnetic fields that go from

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Speaker 8: the substation allegedly to the practice field.

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Speaker 2: Did your article debunk this.

641
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Speaker 8: That the science was that there's no clear evidence for this.

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Speaker 8: One of the experts we talked to you said, this is nonsense,

643
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Speaker 8: it's ridiculous. One of them said it's quite unlikely, but

644
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Speaker 8: we can study it more. And one of them said,

645
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Speaker 8: it's theoretically possible, but we can study it more.

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Speaker 2: But Sam, it feels like when you have the general

647
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Speaker 2: manager of the Niners acknowledging this, it just keeps the

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Speaker 2: story alive.

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Speaker 8: When you have had the injuries that they have had.

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Speaker 8: According to you know that metric that Aaron Schottz does

651
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Speaker 8: adjusted games loss. The Niners have been the most injured

652
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Speaker 8: team in the NFL over the last decade. And you

653
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 8: can talk about luck, you can talk about turf offseason programs.

654
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 8: Is the training staff incompetent, Does Kyle Shanahan practice too hard?

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of theories here, and I think when

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Speaker 8: it gets you know, it's been going on for a decade,

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Speaker 8: I think John Lynch. You know, at some point you

658
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Speaker 8: gotta be frustrated to say, okay, let's look at everything.

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Speaker 2: The Niners led the league and adjusted games lost just

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Speaker 2: over one hundred and forty one, so that dwarfs the

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Speaker 2: other teams in the league. Did you talk to Niner players?

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Speaker 8: We talked to some agents who represent Niner players. We

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Speaker 8: talked to the Niners. They declined the comment, but certainly

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Speaker 8: this is a concern even in the building.

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Speaker 2: This is pretty wild. What did your how did your

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Speaker 2: boss react when you said, Hey, I want to cover

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Speaker 2: this story about the Niners and it has nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with their games this year.

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Speaker 8: He was a little skeptical at first, but when I

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Speaker 8: said to him, hey, I've heard back from five agents

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Speaker 8: in the twenty minutes I've been working on this that

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Speaker 8: have said, hey, yes, like this is of concern, we

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Speaker 8: are hearing about this, he was like, oh, definitely, Like

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Speaker 8: keep pursuing that then, and you know, the science we

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Speaker 8: the science was going to be murkier than it was.

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Speaker 8: The science ended up being pretty clear that there's no

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Speaker 8: and even you know the guy who went viral for

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Speaker 8: establishing this theory, Peters's name. He's a software engineer, and

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Speaker 8: alternative Science, alternative medicine health coach. Even he said, there

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Speaker 8: is no studies that show a direct relationship between EMF

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Speaker 8: and damage to tendons and ligaments and the soft tissue

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Speaker 8: stuff that we're talking about. But you know, he said, hey,

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Speaker 8: like this, this is how I came up with my theory.

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Speaker 8: It was my own work. But my editor was like,

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Speaker 8: once we had that. Once the science is pretty clear

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Speaker 8: and we had people believing in it, players who they

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Speaker 8: say it could affect free agency. He was like, I

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Speaker 8: love that. I get it to me as soon as

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Speaker 8: you can't.

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Speaker 2: Sam, if you're a great reporter, you would sleep next

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Speaker 2: to this power substation for a month and see how

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Speaker 2: it affects your body.

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Speaker 8: You know, that is something. I don't know if they

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Speaker 8: want first person gonzo journalism, but I'm willing. I'm willing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. We appreciate it, Sam, Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me, Dan, I appreciate that. Washington Post writer Sam

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Speaker 2: Fortier