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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly here with the Matt Williamson. Don't

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Speaker 2: know where Max got off to now, but he might

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Speaker 2: be out grabs grab our next guest here, Max does everybody.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, interesting conversation here about the touch push there

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Speaker 2: in the in the previous segment. We'll see what else

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm gonna make the kickoff thing was being

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Speaker 2: They're gonna know they want potentially move it back. They

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Speaker 2: is you can't attempt an on side kick now before

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Speaker 2: want to run an on side you're gonna have to

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Speaker 2: declare it because because you gonna do it. I think

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Speaker 2: that's one of the flaws in the new system. But

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Speaker 2: it's they've taken this surprise on side kick out of

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Speaker 2: the game. But if they're a way to still running

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Speaker 2: on side kick, I don't know why.

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Speaker 3: Earlier in the game, I don't know why, why can't

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl, right before the end of the third quarter.

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Speaker 3: They scored when it was an obvious on side kickoff.

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Speaker 2: And they and they're you know, they're still down three

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Speaker 2: You could have to buy rules you can't do an

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Speaker 3: But when you declare it, it's awful hard to recover one,

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Speaker 3: you know, but such as life, it's on a perfect

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Speaker 1: Well. And the other thing is is, right, is that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would be nice, But like you said, it's

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Speaker 1: You know, you're playing a non con you know you're

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Speaker 2: It, from doing dumb stuff. Yes, we don't do that

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Speaker 3: It's not something that you're standing on the table for

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Speaker 1: Everything else is built around, you know, the team except QB.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and get another high round draft pick.

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Speaker 2: is Max Starks. I am Dale Lolly. That is Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio. We are live from the NFL

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Speaker 2: Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis, day one of the event.

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. And uh, well, guys, I mentioned we

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Speaker 1: No, you've got to be bad, bad, to be historically terrible, yes,

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Speaker 3: I mean like that's how Yeah, it was twenty years ago.

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Speaker 2: year you were drafted. Yes, So basically in your NFL lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Being associated with this franchise, I've never known what a

436
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,639
Speaker 1: losing year is like never.

437
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Speaker 2: And that means something that means the guys in that

438
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 2: locker room there is an expectation like, hey, six wins

439
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,640
Speaker 2: isn't going to be tolerated. We're all seven wins isn't

440
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 2: going to be tolerated. No, that's not gonna happen, right right.

441
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that. And that's the other thing is

442
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 1: that you don't know, like you have to go back

443
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 1: to somebody who's a fans is eighty seven to actually

444
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Speaker 1: ask them. And when we think about it, the roster

445
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:07,400
Speaker 1: that we have right now wasn't born. Nobody was born

446
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,560
Speaker 1: on that roster back when the last losing season was.

447
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 2: That just goes to put it in perspective.

448
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,040
Speaker 1: So what you're asking for is something that is a

449
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 1: near historic moment to happen to be in a position

450
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 1: to maybe maybe drafted guy because we already talked about it.

451
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,199
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks don't come out. You look at the preseason, Hey,

452
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,959
Speaker 1: who's supposed to be this half of them? Like, I'm

453
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 1: a stay in college because that's what I'm making three mil.

454
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: I taken this draft. I'm the fourth best defensive tackle.

455
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm the fourth best quarterback. I'm not making as much

456
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Speaker 1: as I'm making as being the number one guy in

457
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: this I'm gonna be a number one cap.

458
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be the tenth pick in the draft. I

459
00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:44,719
Speaker 2: don't want to do that.

460
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: I'm not doing I'll stay for another year and wait.

461
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 1: And they're kicking the can down the road. So you

462
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 1: anticipating that this bad year is gonna also culminate with

463
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,120
Speaker 1: they got to come out and this is the best

464
00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,440
Speaker 1: guy available, and who's gonna jump you into process because

465
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 1: somebody else can always be worse. Because here's the thing.

466
00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: Can City Chiefs guess they left frog that Arizona Cardinals

467
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,679
Speaker 1: team to get Patrick Mahomes and then they ended up

468
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Speaker 1: having to take Hassan Reddick when they thought they had

469
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes falling to him. That can also happen as well.

470
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Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say, is I look

471
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Speaker 3: at the league right now, and I see four elite quarterbacks.

472
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Speaker 3: Two of them happened to be in this division, yes,

473
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,200
Speaker 3: and Mahomes and Allen. Of course, Chiefs were a playoff team,

474
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Speaker 3: went up and got their guy a year too early.

475
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Speaker 3: The Bills weren't great, but he wasn't the first pick

476
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Speaker 3: in the draft, and he had a lot of questions coming.

477
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Speaker 2: And they were the team that traded to pick right

478
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Speaker 2: that the Chiefs Hughes Patrick Mahomes, and he was.

479
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: Wildly inaccurate for a year or two as well. I mean,

480
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: Alan had a lot of work to do, and but

481
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: but you didn't know what he was going to bring

482
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 1: to the table that he was going to sit down

483
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Speaker 1: and actually take. Because that's the other thing, when you're

484
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Speaker 1: doing this mental background check, you still don't know what

485
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Speaker 1: you're getting. Even after all of the background checks, you

486
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: don't know what that guy's thinking in his head and

487
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 1: he can't control it. Lamar.

488
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Speaker 3: He goes to a quality organization, granted, but he's the

489
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Speaker 3: end of the first round and they took before.

490
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Speaker 1: Went to this almost went to the second round. Like

491
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Speaker 1: if Baltimore doesn't jump back into day one, Lamar sits overnight.

492
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Speaker 3: And they preferred Hayden Hurst on draft dy. Yeah, I

493
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Speaker 3: mean that's clear. So the four, only one of them

494
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: was a bottom out team and they're that organization's fighting

495
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Speaker 3: some rough waters right now too. They also weren't in

496
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Speaker 3: the playoffs this year, you know, you know they're all

497
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: that money they put in. They a winning culture. I

498
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 3: don't know, there a glimpse there. They look like it.

499
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Speaker 3: And here's the thing, most of my lifetime, they haven't been.

500
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Speaker 1: The two of those four that we're talking about as

501
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 1: being elite quarterbacks still have lost to the Steelers at

502
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 1: that time, right, they still have. They still haven't consistently,

503
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Speaker 1: like like Lamar got two consecutive wins in the first

504
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: season in the same season for the first time ever

505
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: since he's been there, right right right, you know what

506
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So we're talking about it, and Joe Burrow

507
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 1: still can't beat them, beat the Steelers at home, you

508
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like, so these teams are still

509
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Speaker 1: split in fifty fifty with the Steelers. When we have

510
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:56,959
Speaker 1: quarterback flux or aging quarterback, they still can't completely topple us.

511
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Speaker 1: So we're still a problem by the rest of the

512
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Speaker 1: feet off the doing.

513
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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the thing. I would understand the idea that

514
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 2: you blow this whole thing up and let's start over.

515
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: If they didn't have cap space, they have. They have

516
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 2: sixty million dollars in cap space, this according to over

517
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: the Cap. And the key thing is they have forty

518
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars in dead money on the salary cap.

519
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 2: Next it's by far the fewest amount of dead cap space.

520
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: That's if you start trading away the TJ. Watts and

521
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: the Cam Haywards, now you're taking on dead cap space

522
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 2: and all those things as well, and all of a sudden,

523
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: now your salary cap gets screwed up. Then you become

524
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:37,959
Speaker 2: the New Orleans Saints.

525
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, you become Mickey Loomis and you're like looking

526
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: for dollars in your pockets. You're picking up pennies off

527
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: the ground, right. You know at the grocery.

528
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 2: Store they have guys they can't cut, yeah, because it

529
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: costs them more money against the cap. Because they've just

530
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: kept kicking the can down earth, they went for it.

531
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Speaker 2: You know, the Cleveland Browns this past season, the last

532
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: four seasons have went for it and what did it?

533
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: He got him one playoff win. Yeah, and it got

534
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: them the second pick in the draft this year.

535
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: And in this past draft, the Browns picked fifty fourth.

536
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 3: That's the first pick they made. The year before that,

537
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: it was in the sixties. The year before that it

538
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: was in the seventies. So they have no rookie contract

539
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: stars to even build around you. Now, finally, I give

540
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 3: the Browns credit. They have a ton of draft capital

541
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 3: for this year, partially because they stunk and they earned it,

542
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 3: but they traded a Marii Cooper and they mean they

543
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: added a few other decent picks. This would be the

544
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: first draft they've had a real draft in four years.

545
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

546
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: And even then, now you're dealing with a really really

547
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: young roster that you don't know is going to come

548
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: together or not right, So you're still not competitive this year.

549
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 1: You're thinking about two three years down, which.

550
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: Is why Miles Garrett doesn't want to be there anyway.

551
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: He's like, Irish, I'll be thirty two and we're we're

552
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 2: gonna be still picking in the top ten. Yeah, what

553
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: are we doing here?

554
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: And I'm not picking on the division, but I could

555
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,480
Speaker 3: see a scenario one year from now where Burrow's looking

556
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 3: at the Bengals going I feel the same way, Miles Garrett.

557
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: Does you know, like there's not enough money you could

558
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: throw at me? Right? Like this is not right? Yeah,

559
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: exactly right.

560
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,959
Speaker 2: I'm tired of spinning my wheels here, Like what are

561
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 2: we doing?

562
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, we need to just go and be aggressive

563
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 1: or just let me go. I'll go somewhere else and

564
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: be picks or whatever. Right, Yeah, I can get that

565
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 1: for you. Hey, it'd be a nice parting gift for

566
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: you guys. But let me go to the NFC South

567
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: and let me revive my career. Let me go to

568
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay or someone. Hey, it worked out for Baker Mayfield,

569
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: you know, and Derek Carr not so much. But I mean,

570
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, you go to a different division that doesn't

571
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: have as competitive go to either of the South's AFC

572
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,640
Speaker 1: or NFC. It's wide open and if you're a quality quarterback, yeah,

573
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,399
Speaker 1: I want to play in that because I'm like, I know,

574
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: I I know I could be the class of the

575
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: division very quickly, you know what I'm saying. Like Indianapolis

576
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: would be an attractive place, you know, for for quarter

577
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: around yea, yeah, because it's like, hey, I gotta go

578
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: against Jacksonville. Houston is gonna be a little bit of

579
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 1: an issue, you know. And then I got Tennessee who

580
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: still doesn't know his way up. Easy division for the

581
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: n and I put a little contract rider in there.

582
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: If we win the division, I get a little bump

583
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: as well.

584
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: See.

585
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't think the Browns look at it this way,

586
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: but if they are smart and they could really self

587
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: analyze themselves, Miles Garrett's doing them a favor because it's

588
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 3: time to start over. I mean for them, they're in

589
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 3: such bad situation because of the Watson trade, the worst

590
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: trade in history. God, they have to sell all their

591
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: assets and start over. And hope those guys come together.

592
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 3: And I'm never a fan of tanking or trading your

593
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: best guys.

594
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: And not trying to win. But they they brought it

595
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 1: to themselves because the right You went for it at

596
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: the at the absolute worst time you could go for it.

597
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: You push all your chips and you don't always win. Yeah, exactly. Listen,

598
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: Vegas's lights aren't on because of all the winners. Absolutely,

599
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: you say you were, you were one of the light

600
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: bulbs out there.

601
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 3: The Rams push their chips in with Stafford and Hit.

602
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 3: Great when the Bucks did the same thing with Brady

603
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 3: and Hit. But there were seven other teams those years

604
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: that did and didn't. Aaron Rodgers with the Jets, Brown's

605
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: time and time again, Saints every year, you know, like

606
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: most don't.

607
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: It's no coincidence to two teams with the least amount

608
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: of cap space as we sit here right now are

609
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: the Saints and Browns. They're the most miserable organizations. Only

610
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: they can't do anything. They're gonna have to cut guys

611
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: just to get cap compliant in two weeks.

612
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: And the Watson things not going away.

613
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he's guaranteed money, you know, Yeah, they finally

614
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: have draft guaranteed his contract. Garrett's doing them a favor.

615
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: They can trade him and get stuff and start over.

616
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: Maybe you can build something in a couple of years,

617
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: but trying to put band aids on this bullet wound

618
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: is not gonna help well.

619
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: And granted you also have a lot of contracts that

620
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: will come up the future right within a two to

621
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: three year space, but it's like, but if we get

622
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: a good base in there, and we're now not reaching

623
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: and not trading and sacrificing. I can go and draft

624
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: and now I can actually build something for the future,

625
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: rebuild no line.

626
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: YEAHO Carter fills in for Garrett and it's not the same,

627
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 3: but it's it's something.

628
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: But people thinking that the Steelers are in that kind

629
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: of situation and that they should therefore they're trying.

630
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: To equal strive to be in that situation.

631
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: Well, nobody Browns are willing, you know, Miles Garrett once

632
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: out of a Cleveland. The Steeler should do that.

633
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: With t J.

634
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: Watt, No, they're not in the same they're not even

635
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 2: in the same stratosphere.

636
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: No, A lot of it's financial close to those fans.

637
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't like to say this often it's dumb.

638
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: It is plump.

639
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: It's plumb, dumb.

640
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: You don't trade, you don't trade.

641
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 1: You know people, you're just a blind, blind fan at

642
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: this point. You know what I'm saying, because you do.

643
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Maybe you did it on madd I did it on Madden.

644
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dynasty Mode. Yeah, it's like there's there's no harm,

645
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: no foul, right, But this is the real world with

646
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: real people that you can't control like a video game.

647
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: And people think that they're listen a lot more access

648
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: and information is available, right, so people feel more informed.

649
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: But informed and smart are two different things. Yeah, right,

650
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: And when you're dealing with real money, real issues in

651
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: this type of situation, it's different because there's no harm,

652
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: no fou. I can just reset the video game, right,

653
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: or I could just not read that article that that

654
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: that shows me the rationale and I you know, we

655
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: can all get information that makes us feel good. That's

656
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: why we love the combine. Right. There's metrics that you

657
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: can put in your favor to talk you and convince

658
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: you into anything. But at the end of the day,

659
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: does it fit And that's where hopefully the rationale. Listening

660
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: to informed individuals like the ones on SNR, you know,

661
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: and understanding what this is gives you a better place

662
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: to understand that being competitive year in and year out

663
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: and being a little bit short of competitive versus starting

664
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: back at the start line is not where you ever

665
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: want to go.

666
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: Like things, It's like you're getting closer and then all

667
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: of a sudden you get down the show. All right,

668
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: we're starting over from scratch. Yes, well, yeah, I'm neveritely.

669
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: Planned to want to hit the shoot, you to hit

670
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: the finish line, You want to hit the.

671
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: Ladder, you definitely want to you can speak to and

672
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 3: this is a human business. You start doing those things

673
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 3: and then you're like, well I got it now, I

674
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: finally a bunch of cap space. I can go get

675
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: free agents. Free agents don't want to play for you.

676
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 1: If you're you suck, nobody wants to come right. If

677
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: you're cool with sucking, I'm not going. And nobody way

678
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: over payment.

679
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: Nobody thinks about what kind of message, For example, trading

680
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: a guy away like TJ Watt sends to the rest

681
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: of the locker room, mister Fitzpatrick or.

682
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: Walk up to Cam Hayward and be like, yeah, we

683
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: just ditched TJ. Watt for a second round pick. Oh

684
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, Well like.

685
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: You're you're you're you're eroding the morale of a team. Yeah,

686
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 1: Like when you look up to guys, I don't want

687
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: to see that guy leaving, right, and I get hey,

688
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: when you're old, you're old. That's a whole different story.

689
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: We could talk about the over thirty and the analysis

690
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: that goes into the father yeah, bah blah blah blah.

691
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: But don't trade a guy that's in his prime and

692
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: tell me that you're doing big brother.

693
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, trade him because you know what am

694
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 3: I Yeah, my role model, you.

695
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: Know exactly that that that guy helped me in this

696
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: line and another thing. And that's kind of what the

697
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Steelers have kind of strugg They've held on to leaders

698
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: a little bit too long. But it's never been we've

699
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: gotten rid of them too soon, right, you know what

700
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like that's never been the issue you and

701
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: but they've kind of earned it. Yeah, you know right,

702
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: there's there's something to be said about that, right, that

703
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: does put you in cap cap strap trying to hold

704
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: on to a leader that's not you know, contributing to

705
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: the level that you want and that's why you're drafting matters.

706
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: But you want them in the system because the culture

707
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: and what culture means so much. It means so much,

708
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: and the standards that are set mean a lot. And

709
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 1: that's what people don't realize, Like you have to have

710
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: someone adjacent to that winning culture to then tell that

711
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: oral tradition, right, how we did history back in the

712
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: old timey days, right, you passed oral tradition down. And

713
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: when you have that gap, we've seen it offensively, like

714
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: there was Joe Green, Yeah, and the fact that you

715
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: saw that Joe green around is a blessing, but how

716
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: many more years is that going to be around? Now?

717
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna need the Bens the Troys of the world

718
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: to come back around here and be like those seventies Steelers. Right,

719
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna need sadly our class you know, to be

720
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: around there because if the further you get away from

721
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: those championships is the tougher you get to try and

722
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: resemble that and we and you need to have some success.

723
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: But blowing it up and starting back from the beginning,

724
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get any alumni back. You're gonna lose

725
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: that locker room, right, And then now we're gonna be saying, Okay,

726
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: now we do need to go get a new head coach.

727
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: Now we do need to go get a new g

728
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: Then now we're in we're repetitive cycle, and we're looking

729
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: at the guys right across the state line like, are

730
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: we now Cleveland Exactly? That's what you turn into. We

731
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: will be an expansion franchise that comes back after being

732
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: hauled off in the middle of the night. And t J.

733
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: Watson at the end of the year, he's like those

734
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 3: guys that have rings have a different are about them.

735
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: To come back.

736
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: I know I want to be one of those guys

737
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: because I see how special it is.

738
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: Mel Blunt walking by, you know, like, well, yeah, Jerome

739
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: Bettis walks in, You're like, holy crap. You know what

740
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying like that, that those things matter, and.

741
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: There's every generation. Those guys don't get Joe, but they

742
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 3: remember the generation.

743
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know the mystique of mean Joe Green, right right,

744
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, and you see him

745
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: next to championship trophies on the walls when you walk

746
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: by Cleveland, how many and how many Super Bowl trophies

747
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 1: they have in their offices?

748
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: Zero?

749
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Hey, how many does the Arizona Cardinals have in their office?

750
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: It'll be zero?

751
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: Right? You walk past those six every day. Yeah, I

752
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: gotta know, you're like, hey, stand up a little bit straighter,

753
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: Like shit, I need I want to get number seven

754
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: up there.

755
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: It looks and it's possible to do it here it is,

756
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, like it's way.

757
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: Easier than a lot of other players. A rough year

758
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: of the Browns.

759
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 3: But I didn't think for one chance we had its

760
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: possible to put a Super Bowl championship out there one minute.

761
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: And even for the Jets who have won, but it

762
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: was Super Bowl like three right.

763
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: The year I was born.

764
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: It's like, so even for them, they have one, and

765
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: it's like we can't even remember it's three generations have

766
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: passed this last time that has that has been something

767
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: that's viable for us. I mean, hell, Rex Ryan was

768
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: your best coach that you've had in the last twenty

769
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: five years. There, you know what I'm saying. So so

770
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: do you want to be that? Absolutely not. I like

771
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: our position, it just needs to get a little bit

772
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: better and a little bit better. That's it. Your built

773
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: on top of already good foundation.

774
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: And you have the resources to do it. It's not

775
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: like you're you're in a situation here where you don't

776
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: have any cap space and you're you're, okay, here, what

777
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: are we gonna do here? Guys, we gotta do something.

778
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to get rid of more guys than we.

779
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: Add not to mention at some point you were going

780
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: to stumble into not even a Burrow, a Dak Prescott

781
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 3: in the fifth round. But if he comes to this

782
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: team and looks up the cam as opposed to going

783
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 3: to the Browns, like what do we do here?

784
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: You know, like you know what I mean, like then, yeah,

785
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: right right, like you're going to stumble into a quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

786
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: Anyways, let's get to another break here before we come

787
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 2: back and wrap up the show. He is Max Starks,

788
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: that's Matt Williamson, and I am Dale Lolly. We are

789
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: here at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, will be

790
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: here all week long. We'll be back after this to

791
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: finish up the show. We're done at five o'clock today,

792
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 2: but a lot of good stuff, a lot of great guests,

793
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: and uh well we'll be back with more of that

794
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: right after this. And we are back. I am Dale

795
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Lolly here with Max Starks and Matt Williamson and we

796
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: are live at the NFL Scouting Combine here on the

797
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network. And been a fun day, guys, A

798
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of a lot of stuff, a

799
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: lot of news of course. Omar Kahn talking earlier today

800
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: and saying, hey, we've we've we've talked with you know,

801
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: the agents for both Justin Fields and Russell Wilson, and

802
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: and they'd like to have somebody under contract by March twelfth,

803
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: that's when the new league year opens and free agency begins,

804
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 2: actually begins March tenth. That's when the illegal legal tampering.

805
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: I'm a big dominator.

806
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: I love that term legal tampering.

807
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I Hey, this is where we can talk about it.

808
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: We just can't act on it period. You know what

809
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

810
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: So you know I mean is February twenty fifth now soon?

811
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Yes?

812
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 2: Two weeks right, yeah, two weeks We're start to fall

813
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: correctly here and they want to know where they stand

814
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 2: with you know, the quarterback situation.

815
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: We need have somebody under contract because.

816
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: It it affects what you do in free agency, and be.

817
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 3: Real nice to have it before the buzzer, you know,

818
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: without question. And that doesn't have to be Fields or Wilson.

819
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 2: I mean that could be.

820
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: Rogers or Cousins or Stafford or somebody else that's not

821
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 3: a UFA to That's the.

822
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: Other thing about this, right, the next two weeks, we're

823
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna see a lot of veteran players be

824
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: shown the well.

825
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: And you said it, you said, I mean, does Derek

826
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: Carr come available right, you know down in New Orleans

827
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: because New Orleans has to cut some guys to get

828
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: a compliance. Yeah, you know, there are some things what

829
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence. Where does he stand with the like

830
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of pieces in these next fourteen days

831
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: that are shoes are going.

832
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: To drop you to go.

833
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was available, No, yeah, just like

834
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: we did with Russ and with Justin we didn't know

835
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: they were available. We didn't know the call. So you're

836
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: going to see it.

837
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 3: I don't think we were talking about Russell Wilson the

838
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: last combine that we're not right.

839
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just know something was going to happen because

840
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: of the friction between him and Sean Page, but we

841
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: didn't know how that would appropriate and also the compensation

842
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: who was picking up the tab for a majority of

843
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: that cost be Yeah. So so, I mean there's still

844
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in these next fourteen days. It's

845
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: going to be really intriguing to see again. And it

846
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: gets figured out here. This is where it gets figured out.

847
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: You know, teams look at this draft class and they go, Okay,

848
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: can we afford to do without this guy because we

849
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: think we can get a comparable replacement in the draft.

850
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: The Browns will know a lot faster than everybody else

851
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: about their Miles Garrett situation because those d linemen will

852
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: be on the field in the next two days. Yeah, sure,

853
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: get it, and they'll know well in advance what we

854
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: can and can't do and what's possible to figure that out,

855
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: because that's one of those Jonathan Allen as well with

856
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: the commanders, they're gonna know more of those guys. As

857
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: as these guys start to compete in what they do

858
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: after these interviews, after their measurables come in, after they

859
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: start competing on the field for drills, you'll start to

860
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: see it start to fast track and by the end

861
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: of it, you'll be at ten days and we'll have

862
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: a lot more answers within I would say within the

863
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: next eight days about how those things start to clear

864
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: up before we get to that period.

865
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: And yeah, Dell, we do this every day and we

866
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 3: think we have a pretty good beat on things.

867
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I think we do too.

868
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Speaker 3: But like one year ago Fields, his name was out there.

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Speaker 3: We knew the Bears had the first overall pick, Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 3: so we didn't think Field was coming back.

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Speaker 2: But it's like at that point the compensation were still

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Speaker 2: they won a second round pick.

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Speaker 3: They want a second fifth everybody, yeah, right, right, right,

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Speaker 3: you really have no idea We were right, you know.

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Speaker 1: Right, and and that that gets discussed here, the reality

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Speaker 1: of it because based off of what's available right, supply,

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Speaker 1: the the theory of supply and demand.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure they didn't want a second and a fifth,

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Speaker 3: but nobody want to.

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Speaker 2: But nobody.

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Speaker 1: They hung that. They hung that carrot out here, and

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Speaker 1: nobody nibbled on it. So I was like, okay, well

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Speaker 1: maybe we thought a lot highly more highly of this

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Speaker 1: than what you thought. So now we reach, we retool,

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Speaker 1: but we know we had to get him out of there.

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Speaker 1: So now it's like, okay, well, what are you willing

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Speaker 1: to give us? At that point, you know, pie and

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Speaker 1: the sky demands start. But then reality sets in very quickly,

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Speaker 1: especially when we see all three hundred and twenty nine

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Speaker 1: of the these kids start to compete, and you realize, well,

891
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Speaker 1: you know, hey, I can let this guy go because

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Speaker 1: I know in the third round, I'm gonna get this guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Okay, it makes it a little bit easier.

894
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I saw three of the guys that I want body

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Speaker 1: type wise, that tested well and are all kind of similar,

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Speaker 1: and I can take either one of those three and

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Speaker 1: be happy. All right bye, you know, let's move on and.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying any of them are gonna turn the superstars,

899
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Speaker 3: but like Jones from the Patriots picket Ridder, how all

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Speaker 3: these guys got traded that were starters the year before,

901
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: young pretty high picks. Yeah, all were on the move boom.

902
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Speaker 3: You know, where do you get another guy?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: So there's there's opportunities we don't see yet. Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot. I mean, just like you know, I

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Speaker 1: hate to go back to it because I covered the Cardinals,

907
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: is so I can say it. You drafted Josh Rosen

908
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 1: at eleven one year and you went too Caler Murray

909
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Speaker 1: number one overall that cherry following.

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00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: Year, you made that decision like that, Yeah, you made

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00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: a decision.

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Speaker 1: You didn't even hesitate. So then stranger things have happened,

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Speaker 1: is what I'm going.

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Speaker 3: To dump the eighth pick for a second round or

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Speaker 3: one year one year ago, driving it off a lot,

916
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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean, so that's one of the things

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Speaker 1: where we we think we know and we have a

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Speaker 1: good beat as it stands today, as it will stand tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: but we don't know four days from now what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: We don't know what other shoes gonna do just like

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Speaker 1: we didn't know before coming in, Like we knew right

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Speaker 1: before we came into this Matthew Stafford, they were shopping

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Speaker 1: his value.

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Speaker 2: We had no clue.

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Speaker 1: Just like Miles Garrett the first day of Super Bowl

927
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Speaker 1: drops that letter that he wants to be traded. Nobody

928
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Speaker 1: was thinking about that for Super Bowl.

929
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Speaker 2: We're like, hey, Eagles chase next.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's a Miles Garrett, you know speculation show.

931
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Speaker 1: Let alone remember all the I talk, oh, you know,

932
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Speaker 1: right at every receiver that came available, Davante Adams and

933
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, there's things that are just

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Speaker 1: gonna happen. And also the agents know when they're gonna

935
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Speaker 1: drop news because they know what they're playing. It's cat

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Speaker 1: and Mouse's chess and checkers being played here, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see it. We're gonna have brand new news tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have brand new news.

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Speaker 2: With something will come out tonight. A week going to

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Speaker 2: be busy, and our.

941
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Speaker 1: Friday show is going to be completely different than the

942
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Speaker 1: show we just had. I can't believe we were talking

943
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Speaker 1: about that on Tuesday. How facetious are Yeah?

944
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Speaker 2: So I mean that that's what this event is about.

945
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Speaker 2: That's what it's like. I mean, they'll be there'll be

946
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Speaker 2: meetings tonight. There's such plan meets.

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Speaker 3: The last couple of weeks are tough for content for

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Speaker 3: us because everyone's on lockdown.

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Speaker 1: They're not making moves. They're not going to be in

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Speaker 1: the same city now they.

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Speaker 2: Are now they're all the NFL is here and well

952
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Speaker 2: we'll bring it to things will happen. Yes, So guys,

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Speaker 2: it's been a fun day. It's been a long day, Max, Yes, one,

954
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Speaker 2: good day one, but we've had all kinds of wall

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Speaker 2: to wall content from nine to five. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: again tomorrow with the same format basically, we'll be going

957
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Speaker 2: nine to five here on the Steelers Audio Network. And

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Speaker 2: we want to thank west Yuler, Jerry Dulac, Rob King

959
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: dropped by and spent some time here. Of course, my

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Speaker 2: partners Max Starks and Matt Williamson. We want to thank

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Speaker 2: Tyler Viittmeyer for a video in here the last three

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Speaker 2: hours udio. You can check that out on YouTube later

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Speaker 2: on tonight when he gets that up there. And we

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Speaker 2: also want to thank CJ. Wolfy and Justin Miller beck

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Speaker 2: in studio for logging all these long hours as well.

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Speaker 2: We also want to thank you for listening to this

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Speaker 2: edition of Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lallie. We'll be back again tomorrow