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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Well, it's Friday night and

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Speaker 1: it is special.

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Speaker 2: Killer Attorney Alex Murdog retrial odds. That long and tortuous trial,

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Speaker 2: the investigations, the twists, the turns, the cross exams, Alex

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Speaker 2: Murdock on the stand line through his teeth crying. Now

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Speaker 2: the odds are sorry that Alex Murdog will have a

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Speaker 2: new trial.

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Speaker 1: Listen, Moil Road, I need.

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Speaker 3: My wife and.

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Speaker 1: Here on the line.

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Speaker 3: I'm still here, Okay.

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Speaker 4: I have an Alex Murdock on the line hauler from

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Speaker 4: forty one.

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Speaker 3: His wife's and child was shot.

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Speaker 4: Seven Mozille, No love it up through it now.

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Speaker 2: It is bad.

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Speaker 3: They they shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, hell no, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: I like my sworn.

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Speaker 3: No bear bear on ground out at my perils.

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Speaker 2: So I'm really bad. Yeah, they're on the ground up

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Speaker 2: by the kettle, shot really back because I just shot him.

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Speaker 1: Apstead.

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Speaker 2: I say that with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: makes sense of what is happening right now.

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Speaker 1: How does it go from that guilty verdict.

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Speaker 2: To the judge on the bench trying to make a

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Speaker 2: determination whether there has been jury misconduct?

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Speaker 5: Listen, I simply do not believe that the authority of

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Speaker 5: OURSI comana Supreme Court requires a new trial in a

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Speaker 5: very lengthy trial such as this on the strength of

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Speaker 5: some fleeting and foolish comments by a publicity influenced clerk

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Speaker 5: of court. This is a matter within the discretion of

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Speaker 5: the trial judge, and I am the trial judge at

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Speaker 5: this moment. I do not feel that I abuse my

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Speaker 5: discretion when I find the defendant's motion for a new

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Speaker 5: trial on the factual record before me must be denied,

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Speaker 5: and it is so ordered.

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Speaker 2: That was Judge Toll. So how are we right here

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Speaker 2: right now? The former South Carolina Collington County Clerk of

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Speaker 2: Court on the murder trial of Alex Murdog, Becky Hill,

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Speaker 2: please guilty to showing sealed court exhibits to a photographer

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Speaker 2: and lying about it in court. Judge Heath Taylor sentences

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Speaker 2: Hill to three years probation, explaining our sentence with much

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Speaker 2: harsher if it were ever proofs he tampered with the jury,

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Speaker 2: that has not been proven.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Gould has the details.

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Speaker 6: Nancy, the woman whose distinctive trembling voice delivered the guilty

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Speaker 6: verdict that sealed Alex Murdo's fate, stood before a circuit judge,

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Speaker 6: admitting she secretly handed a photographer the sealed, blood soaked

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Speaker 6: photos of his slaughtered wife and son, then lied about

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Speaker 6: it under oath. Former Collection County Clerk of Court Becky

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Speaker 6: Hill fifty eight tearfully pleaded guilty to four felonies, two

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Speaker 6: counts of misconduct in office, obstruction of justice, and perjury

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Speaker 6: for slipping the graphic kennel crime scene images to media

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty three and swearing she never did it.

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Speaker 6: During Murdo's failed bid for a new trial, Circuit judge

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Speaker 6: Heath Taylor spared her a single day though behind bars,

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Speaker 6: sentencing her instead to three years probation and one hundred

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Speaker 6: hours of community service, stating, quote, your sentence would have

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Speaker 6: been much harsher if we had found jury tampering end quote,

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Speaker 6: Confirming the investigation cleared Hill of swaying the twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: three jury that convicted Murda of murdering Maggie fifty two

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Speaker 6: and Paul twenty two. The disgraced clerk's misconduct extended beyond

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Speaker 6: the courthouse secrets. Hill also admitted to pocketing eleven thousand

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Speaker 6: dollars in unauthorized county bonuses and exploiting her position to

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Speaker 6: profit from her rushed out book on the case called

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Speaker 6: Behind the Doors of Justice. Reading the guilty verdict made

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Speaker 6: her famous. Leaking the photos and lying about it just

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Speaker 6: made her a convicted felon.

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Speaker 1: Flanked by her husband.

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Speaker 6: And lawyer, Hill spoke to the court, Listen, there is.

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Speaker 1: No excuse for our mistakes.

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Speaker 2: I am ashamed of them, and I will carry that

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Speaker 2: shame with me for the rest of my life.

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Speaker 6: The conviction immediately drew fire from Murdoch's defense team. Attorney

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Speaker 6: Dick Harpoutlian fired off a statement questioning the integrity of

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Speaker 6: the jury tampering hearing, saying, quote, if Becky admittedly committed

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Speaker 6: perjury in the jury tampering hearing, what else did she

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Speaker 1: End quote?

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Speaker 6: The disgraced legal sigh on fifty six is already serving

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Speaker 6: life without parole for the murders and another twenty seven

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Speaker 6: years for stealing millions from clients. His appeal reaches the

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Speaker 6: South Carolina Supreme Court in February, and Hill's newly minted

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Speaker 6: felony conviction is fresh potent ammunition for his defense. Hill

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Speaker 6: but a free woman. As Murdochs fight rages on.

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Speaker 1: The state's Attorney general is trying to hold that conviction.

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Speaker 2: I wrote most of the appellate briefs on murder cases

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Speaker 2: I tried, but the on murder cases the age would

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Speaker 2: also write an amicas curity brief friend of the Court

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Speaker 2: to bolster to go along with to partner with my brief.

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Speaker 1: So I guarantee you the States.

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Speaker 2: Brief asking the US the South Carolina Supreme Court to

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Speaker 2: do what they want, is going to be in.

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Speaker 1: Tandem with the prosecution brief. They don't want this case

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Speaker 1: heard by the South Carolina Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm asking you, Jennifer Wood, director of research

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Speaker 2: at fitznews dot com, who threw out the investigation and

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Speaker 2: the trial, isn't it true that the South Carolina Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court has given Murdock's defense the okay to file briefs.

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Speaker 1: They want to consider it. They have okay.

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Speaker 2: Joining me again, an all star palell Regina Ward is

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Speaker 2: a high profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney there in this jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Of no South Carolina. And so it begins.

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Speaker 2: Alex murdog is headed for a new trial because the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court did not have to say, yeah, I'll hear

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Speaker 2: your argument. That is a big indicator of Regina of

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Speaker 2: what the court's.

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Speaker 1: Going to do. I think that that's a possibility. But

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Speaker 1: the brief that they filed there were many, many more

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Speaker 1: issues there.

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Speaker 2: I think it was like one hundred and twenty something

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Speaker 2: or one hundred and thirty pages, and so there's more

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Speaker 2: just this issue. Of course, there were going on two

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Speaker 2: hundred points raised by Hart Putlan or the new defense team.

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Speaker 1: Of course there are Do they amount to a hill

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Speaker 1: of beans?

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Speaker 2: Probably not, But of course they're going to raise every

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Speaker 2: possible issue. But the South Carolina Supreme Court is limited

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Speaker 2: to the facts.

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Speaker 1: In the transcript.

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Speaker 2: If they are arguing factual issues or discrepancies, that's not.

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Speaker 1: To be heard by the appellate court. They are hearing

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Speaker 1: legal issues. This is what I.

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Speaker 2: Think will likely be the single strongest case for Alex

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Speaker 2: Murlock to get a new trial. And it all goes back.

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Speaker 2: I never thought I'd have to say these words again to.

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Speaker 1: The egg lady. Take a listen to her being questioned

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Speaker 1: by the courts.

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Speaker 5: Was your verdict based entirely on the testimony, evidence, and

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Speaker 5: law presented to you in this case?

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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, did you hear miss Becky Hill make any

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Speaker 2: comment about this case.

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Speaker 1: Before you're verdict?

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Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am?

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Speaker 5: If yes, what did missus Hill say.

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Speaker 3: To watch his actions?

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Speaker 5: To watch his actions? What else?

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Speaker 1: To watch them closely?

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Speaker 5: To watch him closely?

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Speaker 3: Anything else?

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Speaker 5: You remember?

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Speaker 2: There? It is? But I can't remember.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay.

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Speaker 2: She's on the stand, the so called egg lady. And

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Speaker 2: I was there when this happened. A jurar was dismissed

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Speaker 2: because of alleged misconduct, and before she left the courthouse,

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Speaker 2: she said she wanted to go back in the jury

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Speaker 2: deliberation room and get the dozen eggs she had brought

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Speaker 2: to court that day. That's how she got that name. Okay,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute. She's on the stand. Let me understand this.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer wood Fitz News.

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Speaker 2: She's on the stand to talk about everything the court

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Speaker 2: clerk did wrong, Becky Hill.

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Speaker 1: And the judge says, can you think of anything else?

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Speaker 1: Is there anything else?

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Speaker 2: She's under oath, sitting there prepared for this moment. She goes,

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Speaker 2: there is, but I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: Did she she did that? She did well? That didn't

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Speaker 1: help the defense. But wait a minute. They make a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a comeback. Listen, was your verdict.

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Speaker 5: Influenced in any way by the communications of the clerk.

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Speaker 1: Of court in this case, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 5: And how was it influenced to me?

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Speaker 1: It felt like she made it seem like he was

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Speaker 5: All right, and I understand that that's the tenor of

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Speaker 5: the remark she made. Did that affect your finding of

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Speaker 5: guilty in this case.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: So this is all about the clerk of court, Becky

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Speaker 2: Hill writing a book.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer wood Fitznie's explained.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think, you know, like Virgina said, there

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Speaker 7: are one hundred and thirty two pages of issues, but

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Speaker 7: I think it's really going to come down to the

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Speaker 7: an impact on their verdict. You know, the tutors said

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Speaker 7: that she said before Alex Murdoch took the stand, watch

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Speaker 7: his body language.

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Speaker 3: One of those jurors.

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Speaker 7: Flighty or not about it, said that that did impact

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Speaker 7: her decision whether or not Alex was guilty or.

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Speaker 2: In his n Maggie and Paul lose their lives, gunned

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Speaker 1: And guess who's on the scene. Alex Murdog.

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Speaker 2: He claims he was at his mom's house a few

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Speaker 2: miles away, but video and cell phone data a GPS

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Speaker 2: data seemed to indicate he is nothing but a liar.

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Speaker 2: Back to Becky Heel, the court clerk allegedly affecting the jury.

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Speaker 2: And I guess Jennifer Woods is because the defense claims

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Speaker 2: that she wanted a guilty verdict because her book sales

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Speaker 7: thought about that and thought, you know, I think the

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Speaker 7: book would have been just as interesting, if not more so,

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Speaker 7: if he was found not guilty. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 7: know if I necessarily buy that motivation, but yes, that

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Speaker 7: is that is one of their theories.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got to tell you something else, Jennifer Wood.

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Speaker 2: Judge Jane told kind of handed this up, sorted up

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Speaker 2: on a silver platter, because the judge comments on Baking

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Speaker 2: Hill's credibility.

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Speaker 1: Listen the facts, did Clark of court.

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Speaker 5: He'll make comments to any jewel or which expressed her

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Speaker 5: opinion of what the verdict would be. Miss Heill denies

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Speaker 5: a and so the question becomes was her denial credible?

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Speaker 5: I find that the clerk of court is not completely

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Speaker 5: credible as a witness. Miss Hill was attracted by.

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Speaker 1: The siren call of celebrity.

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Speaker 5: She wanted to write a book about the trial and

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Speaker 5: express that as early as November twenty twenty two, long

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Speaker 5: before the trial began.

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Speaker 2: So what does that mean in your mind, Jennifer Wood

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Speaker 2: joining us from Fitz News. The odds are escalating that

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Speaker 2: because of that one issue, and of course you've pointed

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Speaker 2: out there are many more that have been raised by

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Speaker 2: the defense, whether they amount to anything.

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Speaker 1: Or not, that there will be a new trial.

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Speaker 2: How would that happen? How would that be executed? Where's

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Speaker 7: Murdoch is in the South Carolina Department of Corrections. He

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Speaker 2: After the so called egg Lady juror was dismissed.

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Speaker 1: And remember, Jennifer.

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Speaker 2: Wood, isn't it true that Becky Hee was the one

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's absolutely true. It involved a alleged Facebook post

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Speaker 7: Nobody has ever seen that Facebook post. When she brought

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Speaker 3: It was from somebody with.

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Speaker 7: The same name as her ex husband, in a different

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Speaker 3: Where is it?

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Speaker 1: Did it exist?

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Speaker 7: I mean, it was what ultimately part led to her dismissal.

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Speaker 2: So does this so called egg lady have an axe

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Speaker 1: That aside.

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Speaker 1: Many legal legals like myself say it did not. But

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Speaker 2: Appearance of impropriety may be enough for Alex Murdog to

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Speaker 2: In no way listen.

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Speaker 7: Okay, what is her name?

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Speaker 8: Maggie?

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Speaker 4: Please hurry, We're.

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Speaker 1: Getting somebody there to you man asking me these questions

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Speaker 8: Okay, is he moving out?

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Speaker 3: Your son?

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Speaker 1: I know he said that she was shot, but what

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Speaker 9: Nobody, they're not even one. Name's Maggie Murdoch, Okay, and

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Speaker 9: what's your son's first name?

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Speaker 1: Is Paul carry Murdoch? Where they are dead?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, that's what.

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Speaker 2: That's what it looks like. If there is a new

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Speaker 2: trial for convicted killer lawyer Alex Murdock and the double

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Speaker 2: murder of wife Maggie's son Paul, what will the defense

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Speaker 1: They've got the state's whole playbook for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 2: Well, for one thing, they're going to attack the video

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 8: One of the biggest issues hearing Alex Murda on a

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Speaker 8: video on Paul Murdau's iPhone when they were down by

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Speaker 8: By the time Alex claims he was not at the residence.

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Speaker 8: Paul's iPhone was found right away, but it was locked.

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Speaker 8: The phone was sent to the US Secret Service using

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Speaker 8: digital forensic technology designed to bypass iPhone encryption. The Secret

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Speaker 8: birthday April fourteenth, nineteen ninety nine. The six digit passcode

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Speaker 2: Joining me is Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation and

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Speaker 1: Chris question.

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Speaker 2: They had to send Paul Murdoch's cell phone to the

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Speaker 2: They couldn't crack it, and finally they cracked it.

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Speaker 1: It was Paul's day.

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Speaker 2: Really, that's one of the very first one of the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nancy, And what happens there nine out of ten

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Speaker 4: times is just that point you just made common sense.

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Speaker 4: It's like, let's try the first type of things first,

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Speaker 4: And remember they did that years ago in the shooting

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Speaker 2: In there to joining me direct research fits news, Jennifer.

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Speaker 2: Why is the video on Paul Murdoch's phone so critical?

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Speaker 2: The defense has to have it ruled out or attack

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Speaker 1: If they want to win the retrial.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that video is critical because it shattered his alibi.

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Speaker 7: He said he was not down at those dog kennels,

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Speaker 7: and when they got that phone open and saw that video,

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Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. They've got to be able to attack

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Speaker 1: this video. Hey, let's see the video. Roll it, get it.

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Speaker 2: Get that.

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Speaker 1: Quick, guess Quinn.

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Speaker 3: Sh push to get.

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Speaker 2: Hey you got burdens now, blah, Hey, buba, it's a guinea.

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Speaker 1: There's a chicken, come cash quick.

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Speaker 2: You have to know what you're listening for, Jennifer Wood.

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Speaker 2: The argument is made that you hear Alex Murdog on

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Speaker 7: That is the argument.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 7: I listened to Alex testify for two straight days and

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Speaker 2: And what is Alex Murndad saying? Because this is this

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Speaker 2: had a friend's dog in the kennel at the friend's

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Speaker 2: Paul and Maggie were out there in the kennels after

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Speaker 2: and they're taking the video to send to the friend

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Speaker 1: That's why they're there. And what is it you hear

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Speaker 7: So they had a dog named Bubba that had gotten

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Speaker 2: You hear him say something about a guinea and then

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Speaker 2: You can hear him in the background, and I remember

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Speaker 2: and it really only got good.

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Speaker 1: When he started snodding and crying on the stand. But

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Let's this is just what would you say a minute

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Speaker 1: When he was saying that it's a chicken, it's a

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Speaker 2: Ready to murder them, and you hear him talking to

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Speaker 2: Maggie and Paul like everything's fine. Within minutes those two

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Speaker 2: What is the time differential there?

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Speaker 7: I mean it, like you said, it is within minutes,

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, that all starts here.

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Speaker 2: Paul dead, the son of Alex murdagg brutally gunned down

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Speaker 2: along with Maggie Alex Murnagu's wife. Where will the defense

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Speaker 8: Part of Murdad's appeal of his murder conviction centers around

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Speaker 8: the Charleston County Sheriff's office. He testified about using his

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Speaker 8: He kept no records, took no measurements, then testified as

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Speaker 8: backlight come on. The importance is the state, says Alec Murda,

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Speaker 8: based on his suburban GPS data drove by the area

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Speaker 8: Maggie's iPhone was located at nine oh eight pm, saying

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Speaker 8: Murdaw tossed the phone out of his vehicle as he

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Speaker 8: The argument is that if Murdoch passed the location at

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Wood, that's a lot of speculation on the defense part.

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Speaker 2: But if they can get one jar to believe that

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Speaker 2: Maggie's cell phone light, the lamp would have come on

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Speaker 2: Murdog's navigation equipment on his suburban shows where he let

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Speaker 1: The way, as he was dashing to his mother's house.

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Speaker 2: To create an alibi, they would have to convince a

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Speaker 2: it was thrown out in that soft grass.

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Speaker 1: So tell me why this is so critical.

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Speaker 7: Well, if the last time it lit up was before

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Speaker 7: one disposing of that phone, and somebody else was there.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Yeah, can you have to pay?

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Speaker 1: Think she's having then she can't call?

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you know he's corect.

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Speaker 4: The head and there's broad on the concerte and you

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Speaker 3: Okay, you bring over here and out of her head.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, the other waiting for you, trying to

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Speaker 3: This all down again.

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Speaker 1: No, I was holding her up.

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Speaker 10: Okay, she told me to loosen she's trying to use

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 10: Do you guys know who she is here?

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Speaker 3: She worked for? Okay? Do you know he's never had

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: Can you another death connected to the Murdog family, and

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Speaker 2: Alex Murdog orchestrates an extensive and intricate plot to steal

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Speaker 2: the insurance money from Gloria Saderfield's family. I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars stolen, a deadly fall and about four

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Speaker 2: million dollars stolen by Murdog. Oh, what a tangled web.

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Speaker 2: We weave another bombshell in the Murdach case. Joining me,

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Speaker 2: Jennifer wood fitz Niez, Jennifer. What's the latest in the

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Speaker 2: Gloria Sadderfield case? Right?

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Speaker 7: So, Gloria Satterfield, the insurance company for that took Corey

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Speaker 7: Fleming and Alex Murdoch to federal court. That trial just

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Speaker 7: point eight million dollars in damages and his co conspirator

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Speaker 7: over three million dollars in damages, and.

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Speaker 2: What we're talking about regarding a conspiracy. Gloria Sadderfield falls

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Speaker 2: represent them in an insurance claim.

452
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: Then proceeds to steal the money. Do I have that right, Jennifer.

453
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 7: I have absolutely right.

454
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 3: He stole the bunny.

455
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Joining me is doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner, Ter County.

456
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: That's Fort Worth Esteemed, a lecturer at the Burnett School

457
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: of Medicine at TCU.

458
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.

459
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: Explain to me what happened to Glorias Sanderfield. There have

460
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: been so many theories. She was pushed down the stairs,

461
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: she tripped over dogs, there was a delay in reporting it,

462
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 2: no assistance was made. But you hear son Paul Now

463
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: did and wife Maggie Now did on the phone with nine.

464
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 1: To one one. So what were the injuries?

465
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,959
Speaker 2: Why did she have to die from a slip and

466
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 2: fall or some some have called it a fake and fall.

467
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: What happened?

468
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 10: So, what she had was injuries to her head. She

469
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 10: had a laceration of her right side of her head,

470
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 10: She had a right sided subdural hemorrhage, which is a

471
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 10: hemorrhage on the brain, as well as injuries to the

472
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 10: brain itself. And then she had left sided rib fractures.

473
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 10: So there's some comment that she fell, or she tripped

474
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 10: over a dog, or she fell downstairs. The problem with

475
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 10: these injuries is a right sided laceration with a right

476
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 10: sided subdural is often from a blow to the head

477
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 10: and it's not from a fall. Usually what you're seeing

478
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 10: as a right side laceration with a opposite side subdural,

479
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 10: so it's not consistent. And then with the left sided

480
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 10: rib fractures. I mean, if she fell downstairs, there'd be

481
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 10: multiple injuries about the skin and body that would show

482
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 10: that she was tumbling downstairs resulting in all these injuries.

483
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 10: So the injuries are inconsistent with the story that's provided.

484
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 2: Wow, when you put it like that, it makes the

485
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: fall seem very very nefarious, doesn't it. Doctor Guys joining me.

486
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: In addition, to medical examiner, not just medical examiner, chief

487
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns.

488
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: It's a very special guest joining us.

489
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Blanca Simpson, the Murdog's former housekeeper and friend of Gloria Saderfield. Blanca,

490
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: what was your reaction when you learned Gloria had fallen

491
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: down those steep steps and died?

492
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: It was heartbreaking. She was a very nice lady. She

493
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: would do anything for you.

494
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: And you two were fairly close, weren't you.

495
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 3: Yes, While we were there, she would tell me about

496
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 3: her children, her life. She loved working for Maggie and

497
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: Alex Bloka.

498
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about the days that preceded

499
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: Maggie and Paul's murder. A few months before the murder,

500
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: I believe Maggie told you about a lawsuit that was

501
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: demanding around thirty million dollars. Now that lawsuit, of course,

502
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: was the death of a nineteen year old girl, Mallory Beach,

503
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: who was in a boat with Paul driving drunk, horribly drunk.

504
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: Maggie was worried about that money, wasn't she She was.

505
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: Worried about the money, and Alec knew it because when

506
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: the first time she ever mentioned they ever mentioned it.

507
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 3: It kind of hushed up right there at the counter

508
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 3: in the kitchen. And then after that, that's when I

509
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: came in that morning, probably a couple of days later,

510
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: and I guess they had discussed it. I'm not sure,

511
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: but that's when I came in and she said, I

512
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: got to tell you something, and that's when we went

513
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: in there and she finished telling me everything else. You

514
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: know that where were they going to get that money?

515
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: They didn't have that kind of money, and she just

516
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: couldn't understand what was going on. And it wasn't that

517
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: she was trying to be that she was trying to

518
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: cover up anything. I listening to her, she really did

519
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: not know the total extent of the lawsuit. She didn't know.

520
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 3: She knew bits and pieces, but she didn't know exactly

521
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 3: what was going on.

522
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: But she was crying and upset and told you confidentially

523
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: that there was a multimillion dollar lawsuit against some are

524
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: like family because of that boat crash, and that they

525
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: didn't have that kind of money.

526
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 3: That's correct. Alec didn't like any crying. I remember her

527
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: telling me that if he ever says anything and you

528
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: feel bad or he makes you feel bad, just don't

529
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: let him see you cry. So I I believe that's

530
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 3: why we went in that room, even though he was

531
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: there at the house, but he was all the way

532
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: on the other side, and when we went in there,

533
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: she could express herself no judgment. I had no reason

534
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: to judge her. I just listened to her.

535
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: So Maggie would have to walk off in another room

536
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: and shut the door so Murdoch would not see her cry.

537
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, she didn't cry in front of him. That was

538
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: just one thing. Even if sometimes he would say something,

539
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: we just you just don't don't cry in front of him.

540
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 3: He didn't like that. It didn't you know, it wasn't

541
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 3: going to affect how he felt or whatever the situation was.

542
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: So I do that was from the very beginning. I

543
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 3: remember when I first started working there, when Gloria was

544
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: still there. Even Gloria made that comment to me, What

545
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: comment about it? If he says anything that might hurt

546
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: your feelings, don't let them see you cry.

547
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: What was Murdoch like to work for?

548
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 3: He was good to me? I never had an answer.

549
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: I can't. I know there's people that want me to

550
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: speak badly about him or say things. You know, as

551
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: far as when I work there. He was always he

552
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: was always very nice to me, anything that I needed, Milanka.

553
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I want you to understand that.

554
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: I don't want you to say anything other than the truth, because,

555
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: believe me, I've seen plenty of killers, stone cold killers

556
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: that had everybody else charmed.

557
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised at all. I mean, how do

558
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: you think.

559
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: He got all those bank loans for millions and millions

560
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: of dollars?

561
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: He charmed the bank into thinking that he could pay

562
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: it all off.

563
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: He charmed all of his clients and stole their money,

564
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: I agree, even clients that were quadchipelegics. So I would

565
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: not expect anything different because.

566
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: He needed you, He needed you to see him in

567
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: a certain way. Now I'm curious.

568
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: Many people have told me, hey, that's not in evidence,

569
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 2: that's not true.

570
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: But isn't it true that the night.

571
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 2: Of the murders, Maggie told you she had been called

572
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: to the hunting lodge Mozille.

573
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: She didn't want to go because she was at the

574
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: beach house and didn't.

575
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: Want to leave yet, but Murdoch called her and convinced

576
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: her to come to Moselle the night she was murdered.

577
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: She did and I have the text where she said

578
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 3: she didn't really want to go. I still have her

579
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: text on my phone.

580
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: Tell me what she said.

581
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: She had workers at She still had workers out there

582
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 3: at the beach house, and she felt that she needed

583
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: to just complete all the finishing touches in you know

584
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 3: that that were there was still some little projects that

585
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 3: had to be completed at Edistone, and she just wanted

586
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: to be there. She was very like I said in

587
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: my testimony, she was very detailed oriented. It had to

588
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: be you know, perfect in her eyes, and that's one

589
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 3: of the reasons she wanted to be there. She knew

590
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 3: that I had Moselle and if anything came up, I

591
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: was at Moselle and she felt comforted. So I handled

592
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 3: pretty much, you know, Moselle, whatever came up, whatever needed

593
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 3: to be done. I took care of Moselle, and she

594
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 3: felt comfortable staying at Edistone and we just used to

595
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 3: talk and if she needed for me to take care

596
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: of anything, she would just give me a call or

597
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: text me. But that that on June the seventh, she

598
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 3: texted me that Alex wanted her to come home and

599
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 3: Paul as well, and she and that was I meant

600
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: what I said? She was hesitant to come to Moselle.

601
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: She didn't want to come to Moselle despite the fact, Yes,

602
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 3: she did love mister Randolph. Mister Randolph was really good

603
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 3: to her, and.

604
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: That would have been Alex Murdog's father. Is mister Randolph.

605
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 2: Yes, you know I'm thinking about this call, the text

606
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: from Maggie at that time, Miss Simpson, did you have

607
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 2: any reason to suspect Alex Murdoch?

608
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: Yea crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

609
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: Alex Murdog, double killer, convicted lawyer gets a new trial.

610
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: Is that where we're headed?

611
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Special Guests, Blanca Simpson, former housekeeper

612
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 2: for the Alex Murdock family, Blanca. Another critical point regarding

613
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: your perspective is that the night of the murders, but

614
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: just before Paul and Maggie were shot dead, you were

615
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 2: actually at the home at Maggie's request, and you made

616
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: supper right.

617
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I did.

618
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 2: And then the next morning you got a phone call

619
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 2: from Alex Murdogg.

620
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: What happened?

621
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: Alex called me as I was getting my husband ready

622
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 3: to go to work that morning, and I was getting

623
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 3: ready as well to go out to Moselle and that's

624
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 3: when he tells me they're gone, being you know they're gone.

625
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: And like I said in my testimony, I thought, I

626
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 3: was like, this should go back to edistone. She said no,

627
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: being they're dead. And I still I can still hear

628
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: him repeatedly saying that in my head, you know they're dead.

629
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: What was his demeanor? How did he sound?

630
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 3: He was jittery, crying, you know, having small episodes of crying.

631
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 3: You know, you could tell he sounded distraught. I was

632
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 3: in shock.

633
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: To tell you, the crew, Blanka, he asked you to

634
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 2: come clean the house up.

635
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: I know you found pots.

636
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: Of leftovers in the kitchen, but you've also noticed something

637
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: very odd about Maggie's pajamas.

638
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: What her pajamas were in the middle of the doorway

639
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: going into the laundry room, which is usually the first

640
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 3: place that I went when I got there. I used

641
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: to drop off my keys in there and my phone

642
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: go straight in the laundry room. That morning, when I

643
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: walked through, I left all the lights off. I I

644
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: just walked in and it was just a cold, eerie

645
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: feeling that went through me. And it was just the

646
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: thought that, oh my god, you know, I still could

647
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 3: not grasp the concept that I was never going to

648
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: see them again, and you know I was never.

649
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 2: When you're talking about her pajamas being laid out neatly

650
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: in a doorway, they also had with them underwear. Was

651
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 2: it were they laid out? What were they on the

652
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: floor or though they on a hangar? Where were they

653
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: they were on the floor. When you say laid out neatly,

654
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: what do you mean.

655
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: Laid out flat, neatly? One on you it was like

656
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: the pants were spread out, laid out. Then you had

657
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: the underwear and then her pajama top stretched out on

658
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: top neatly. They weren't bold.

659
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 1: We never have done that. Plus, she didn't wear underwear

660
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: to bed.

661
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: Right, That is correct. She didn't do that, and I

662
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: stand by that she did not do that. That was

663
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: not her.

664
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: Several weeks later, Alex Murda called you. Well, I actually

665
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: got together with you, and he was very agitated, pacing

666
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: back and forth asking you about what you remembered regarding

667
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: the night Maggie and Paul were murdered.

668
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: What did he ask you?

669
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 3: He was pacing back and forth in the living room,

670
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: and he kept going back and forth. He said, sit down,

671
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Speaker 3: be sit down. I got to tell you something. Something's

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Speaker 3: not right. And he said, I got a you know,

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Speaker 3: I got a bad feeling. And he at that point

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Speaker 3: he motioned and he touched his stomach. He said, I

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Speaker 3: got a bad feeling. I got a bad feeling. And

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Speaker 3: then he says, you remember what I was wearing that day,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Bennie Vines. And like I said, I

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Speaker 3: was kind of like, you know, no, that's not what

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Speaker 3: And I understand that people have said, well, Bennie Vines

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Speaker 3: also makes you know the fit. I should have described

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Speaker 3: it better on the stand when I said, no, you

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Speaker 3: weren't wearing the Vinnie Vines. He that Vinnie Vines also

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Speaker 3: makes the fishing star.

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Speaker 1: Was he wearing.

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Speaker 3: He was wearing a sea foamy green polo shirt when

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Speaker 3: he left that house.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got a wind memory.

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Speaker 2: So Jennifer Wood joining me direct to research fits news.

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Speaker 2: That's critical because in these video that we're showing, the

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Speaker 2: video we're showing right now when the cops get there,

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Speaker 2: he is wearing a Vineyard Vine's Vinnie Vine's T shirt

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Speaker 2: that he was trying to convince Blanca to say he

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Speaker 2: was wearing when she taught to him.

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Speaker 1: Why is that so critical, Jennifer.

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Speaker 7: You know it's just another another series. It's another lie

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Speaker 7: in a web of flies.

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Speaker 3: I mean, why.

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Speaker 7: Why ask her to verify something that wasn't true?

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Speaker 2: The odds are soaring that Alex murdog will have a

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Speaker 2: new trial.

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Speaker 1: Becky Hill, please guilty.

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Speaker 9: Former Callington County Clerk of Mary Rebecca Becky Hill pleaded

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Speaker 9: guilty to four charges obstruction of justice and perjury for

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Speaker 9: showing a reporter photographs that were sealed court exhibits and

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Speaker 9: then lying about it. There are also two counts of

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Speaker 9: misconduct in office for taking bonuses and promoting through her

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Speaker 9: public office a book she wrote. On the trial, judge

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Speaker 9: Heath Taylor sentenced Hill two three years of probation. Hill

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Speaker 9: was not convicted nor pleaded to tampering with Alex Murdall's

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Speaker 9: jury trial. The judge told Hill the sentence would have

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Speaker 9: been more harsh if investigators had found that she tampered

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Speaker 9: with the jury. Hill read a short statement asking the

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Speaker 9: judge for a chance to do better. Quote, there is

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Speaker 9: no excuse for the mistakes I made. I'm ashamed of

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Speaker 9: them and will carry that shame for the rest of

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Speaker 9: my life. Hill's position put her in charge of taking

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Speaker 9: care of the jury, overseeing exhibits, and helping the judge.

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Speaker 9: During Murda's six week trial, The judge heard testimony that

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Speaker 9: a journalist told investigators that Hill showed graphic crime scene

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Speaker 9: photos to several media members. The photos were briefly posted online,

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Speaker 9: and metadata from the images matched up with a time

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Speaker 9: where Hill's courthouse key guard said she was there. The

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Speaker 9: misconduct in the office charge involved money that investigators said

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Speaker 9: Hill took for herself. She brought a check to the

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Speaker 9: court to pay back nearly ten thousand dollars meant for

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Speaker 9: bonuses from federal money meant to improve child support collection

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Speaker 9: at about two thousand dollars in money from the Clerk

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Speaker 9: of Court's office. Hill was also accused of seventy six

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Speaker 9: counts of ethics violations. Officials said Hill allowed a photo

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Speaker 9: of Murda in a holding cell to be taken to

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Speaker 9: promote her book on the trial, and used county money

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Speaker 9: to buy dozens of lunches for her staff, prosecutors, and

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Speaker 9: a vendor. Hill's long awaited plea deal comes just before

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Speaker 9: the South Carolina Supreme Court is scheduled to hear retrial

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Speaker 9: arguments in the new year. In February, Murdo's defense team

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Speaker 9: pointed to Hill's misconduct as evidence that jury integrity was compromised.

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Speaker 9: Some legal pundits have expressed opinions that Hill's plea is

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Speaker 9: not the strongest grounds for a retrial. Even if Murdall

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Speaker 9: were granted a retrial, he would remain incarcerated due to

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Speaker 9: his lengthy state and federal sentences related to his financial crimes.

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Speaker 9: In a statement to Fox News, Murdall's defense attorney said, quote,

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Speaker 9: the guilty plea is not surprising. More importantly, the agency

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Speaker 9: expected to impartially investigate these charges has a vested interest

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Speaker 9: in avoiding any outcome that would question the verdict of

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Speaker 9: the initial Alex Murdall murder trial. If Becky admittedly perjured

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Speaker 9: herself in the jury tampering hearing held by Judge Tole,

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Speaker 9: what else could she have lied about?

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Speaker 1: End quote.

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Speaker 2: We wait as justice unfolds and the Alex Murnoch double

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Speaker 2: murder case. Nancy Gray signing off, Goodbye friend,