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Speaker 1: All right, second hour of playing Buck kicks off now.

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Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy is with US of National Review and Fox

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Speaker 1: News twenty plus years Federal prosecutor, Southern District of New York. Andy, Andy,

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Speaker 1: I feel like I haven't talked to you about two days.

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Speaker 1: So what do you see here?

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Speaker 2: Man?

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Speaker 1: I mean, so this one comes down just first, you know,

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Speaker 1: the indictment was posted before it was done. What do

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Speaker 1: you make of that? Is there any issue there that

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Speaker 1: creates for this process? And then just the ninety eight pages,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what sticks out to you? What are your

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Speaker 1: biggest takeaways right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think much of the misfiling or the

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Speaker 3: misspublication by.

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Speaker 4: The clerk's office.

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Speaker 5: I think I didn't either, dead.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we could probably deduce that. That's part of why

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Speaker 3: they stayed so late. They didn't want that to be

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Speaker 4: They wanted to just sort.

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Speaker 5: Of get on with it.

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Speaker 4: But I don't think it'll amount to anything as far

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Speaker 4: as the case is concerned.

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Speaker 3: I just think that, you know, I had an open

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Speaker 3: mind about this because in our system, it's really up

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Speaker 3: to the states to police elections and to carry out elections.

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Speaker 3: So I thought that she would have a better array

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Speaker 3: sort of force a federal election interference case on using

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Speaker 3: statutes that really aren't designed to police elections. And there

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Speaker 3: is you know, I think there is some of that

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Speaker 3: in her indictment, but I think by and large she

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Speaker 3: makes a big mistake going the RICO route. I don't

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Speaker 3: really I know, she says that she's had experience in

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Speaker 3: that regard. I don't grasp here where don't get here

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Speaker 3: reading this that she has a great grasp on what

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Speaker 3: RICO is and why you use it. But it just

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Speaker 3: seems to me that the big hole in her case,

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Speaker 3: and I'm talking specifically about count one, the seventy one

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Speaker 3: of conspiracy, which is the framework she wants people to

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Speaker 4: I think the.

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Speaker 3: Problem that she has is any good prosecutor would want

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Speaker 3: just a plain old conspiracy, like straight line conspiracy is

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Speaker 3: just two or more people agree to do something that

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Speaker 3: is a crime under federal under the penal law of

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Speaker 3: the jurisdiction. And the problem is the objective here of

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Speaker 3: this this kind of rambling group that she's put together

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Speaker 3: not a crime, and that's not a problem. She can

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Speaker 3: make go away by trying to turn the thing into

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Speaker 1: So how much jeopardy do you think Trump is in?

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Speaker 1: And you know what you've given us, I think is

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Speaker 1: right your assessment of the legal realities of this as

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Speaker 1: it pertains to what should be the case. But she's

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Speaker 1: brought this. There's a lot of people, think eighteen other people,

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Speaker 1: including eighteen other people other than Trump. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Trump should be his should his team be concerned? I mean,

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Speaker 1: it feels like he can't get pardoned on this one.

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Speaker 1: At least he can't pardon himself. It's not federal. You know,

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Speaker 1: you wrote the piece right in the New York Post

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Speaker 1: that this one, this one is concerning in terms of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did, and what I said the headline on

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Speaker 3: that column didn't quite match up with what I argued.

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Speaker 4: What I said was it's not so much the.

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Speaker 3: Most perilous threat to Trump as it is the most

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Speaker 3: enduring threat to Trump. And what I don't mean to

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Speaker 4: In that distinction.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not so much the strength of the case.

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Speaker 3: It's the thing you just referred to. If he gets

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Speaker 3: the way that he is confronting those cases. There's an

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Speaker 3: year and potentially beyond, than if a Republican whether it's

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Speaker 4: The Justice Department dismissed.

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Speaker 3: The case or if you know, if he's been convicted

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Speaker 3: in one of those cases by then, if he wins,

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Speaker 3: he can pardon or a Republican president could pardon here.

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Speaker 3: He can't do that if he gets convicted. That's you know,

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Speaker 3: it's not something he can shake off.

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Speaker 1: So how do you think plays out?

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Speaker 1: What does a trial get done before the election? And

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Speaker 1: Trump plus the eighteen how does that play out?

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Speaker 3: I tried, Actually, I was the junior member of the

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Speaker 3: think remains the longest federal criminal prosecution in American history

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Speaker 3: seventeen months. The Pizza connection case was a mafia organized crime,

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Speaker 4: To natural causes, some not, but you know, it's.

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Speaker 3: A The reason the case took seventeen months is if

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Speaker 4: And the other thing here, Buck is that she's indicted

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Speaker 3: You know, those lawyers are going to make like a

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Speaker 4: So her you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Heard her say that she expects to be able to

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Speaker 3: good luck. I don't think there's a prayer that she's

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Speaker 3: I also think that, you know, the litigation is not

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Speaker 4: She's the state DA, Right, But there's.

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Speaker 3: Very little evidence that Trump's involved in that, you know,

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Speaker 1: Andy, I'm just curious. I mean, I think sometimes this,

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Speaker 1: this Georgia case, right, if you were taking over and

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Speaker 1: your mandate in life was anything to get a conviction

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, actually I think it may be worse than that.

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Speaker 3: I think she mainly wanted to indict the case.

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Speaker 1: I'm not just to indict, Okay, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well but because I think you know, we talked about

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Speaker 3: he can't pardon this. The other quirk of state prosecutions.

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Speaker 3: awesome law enforcement power to go after your political enemies. Here,

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Speaker 3: going after your political enemies is good politics in these

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Speaker 3: blue cities, right, And she gets a lot of points

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Speaker 1: Right, She's going for the she's going for the home

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Speaker 3: But the only way she figured she could have could

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Speaker 4: But I don't think you know this is this is

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Speaker 3: This is designed for election campaign.

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Speaker 1: I got you so swinging for the fences here, like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know she didn't bring Jack Smith

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a real risk that they could

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many I mean I was reading

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Speaker 1: many of these counts. But things like, you know, forgery

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Speaker 1: You think that Trump is in Whenever these trials actually happened,

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Speaker 4: Man, it's what's he up to now?

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Speaker 3: One hundred and twenty counts?

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Speaker 1: This was my concern to Andy, because I remember from

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Speaker 1: government days things like official misuse of computer sounds very

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what strikes me about this indictment

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't tell you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Andy McCarthy, everybody, Andy, we'll keep you on

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Speaker 5: Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton. I had mentioned Kemp before the Governor

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Speaker 1: I think about that, I don't buy it right, That

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Speaker 5: Here.

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Speaker 1: We have Bill in Michigan. Bill, what's going on?

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Speaker 6: Not much on my way up to the Hupper Peninsula.

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Speaker 6: And what a perfect segue into my comments is Brian Kip.

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Speaker 4: It's pathetic.

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Speaker 6: It's been going on for too long, and the Republicans,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for calling in. And I do

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Speaker 1: is a lack of understanding of the big picture and

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Speaker 1: who are still desperate on the right for a pat

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Speaker 1: on the head from the New York Times, so to speak.

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Speaker 1: They want to be.

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Speaker 5: What they want.

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Speaker 1: That strange new found respect of some libs of prominence

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Speaker 1: to say, well, he's one of the good ones or

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Speaker 1: she's one of the truth tellers, and then they just

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Speaker 1: use you for a little bit to undermine everything that

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Speaker 1: the right is trying to accomplish in this country, which

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Speaker 1: is really the salvation of this country from the destructive

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Speaker 1: Democrat lunatics. And you start to say, why is it

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Speaker 1: that there's there's no fear among Democrats that when push

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Speaker 1: comes to shove. Democrats won't be there for each other

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Speaker 1: on the really important stuff and on our side.

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Speaker 5: Hmm.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a fair point. I think we see

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Speaker 1: it playing out a lot. Mark in San Antonio's got

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Speaker 1: some thoughts, Mark, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Hi there? Yeah? I actually have been infuriated with a

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Speaker 4: lot of what's been going on with the Democrats of

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Speaker 4: the state all that. However, I finally stumbled across something

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Speaker 4: that I that suddenly helped things make sense and frankly

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Speaker 4: made it easier to predict what they were going to

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Speaker 4: do next. And all. I appreciate everything you've been doing

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Speaker 4: to explain kind of the rationale and the merits behind

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Speaker 4: the legal side and the political implications of what these

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Speaker 4: operatives are doing the DA and all that. I think

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Speaker 4: we need to look at this through the lens of

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Speaker 4: a crime lord and a criminal cartel. And specifically, for example,

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Speaker 4: if you know Christians look at things is you know

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Speaker 4: what would in this case, what would Jesus do? Well?

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Speaker 4: I think we need to look at the same way

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Speaker 4: with the Democrats and the deep state. Is if Pablo

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Speaker 4: Escobar was in their shoes or al Capone picked a

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Speaker 4: crime lord, what would they do if they controlled the

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Speaker 4: ACE office, if they had associates to control of the

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Speaker 4: voting machines, if they had associates to control the media,

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Speaker 4: what would a crime lord do in this particular situation.

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Speaker 4: And suddenly a lot of the things that they've already

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Speaker 4: done seem to make a lot more sense, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of the things that they may do in the

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Speaker 4: future seem to point to very specific things that a

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Speaker 4: crime lord would be more willing to do than everyday Americans.

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Speaker 4: And I would encourage you to kind of take a

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Speaker 4: look at it through that filter, because when you look

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Speaker 4: at it through the through the eyes of a criminal,

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Speaker 4: suddenly a path forward is a lot more apparent, and

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Speaker 4: it's it's a little frightening.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, Mark, thanks for calling in for san Antonio.

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Speaker 1: I do think that as you'll notice something. And I

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Speaker 1: swear I've been a person who for over a decade

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Speaker 1: now has I have been screaming those of you who

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Speaker 1: listen to me. When I was doing a Saturday show,

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Speaker 1: even at The Blaze for Glen Beeck's The Blaze, you guys, remember,

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Speaker 1: I would say, the process is the punishment, the weaponization

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Speaker 1: is underway, and I would rattle off all of these cases,

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Speaker 1: these important cases of Republicans under legal assault for totally

499
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Speaker 1: unjust reasons other than we can take this guy out.

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Speaker 1: We can take him out right now, let's abuse the law,

501
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Speaker 1: let's lie, let's cheat, but we can use the law

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Speaker 1: to take him out. What is the ultimate power that

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Speaker 1: you can see in a place where there is no

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Speaker 1: rule of law.

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Speaker 5: I don't like you.

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Speaker 1: I throw you in prison, because not only do you

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Speaker 1: have a lack of freedom, I mean you're incarcerated at

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Speaker 1: that point, but also there's imputed into that or not

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Speaker 1: just implied, I mean clearly there's a sense of you're

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Speaker 1: the bad person because you're the one who's in prison.

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Speaker 1: You know, if people don't understand the full depth of

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Speaker 1: how corrupted the system has been, or even worse. And

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Speaker 1: I think this is the case in our country. A

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Speaker 1: big part of the American people, now, a big chunk

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Speaker 1: of the American people are on board for all of this,

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Speaker 1: and they want all of this right. So they're never

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Speaker 1: going to see it through the lens of the weaponization

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Speaker 1: of legal process. But I sit here and I put

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Speaker 1: out this challenge. Is what I used to do this

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Speaker 1: original Saturday Squad oss. Some of you remember this I

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Speaker 1: would say, okay, let's think of Republicans who have been

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Speaker 1: unfairly targeted for purely political purposes. Prominent. I don't mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, local dog catcher. No offense to dog catchers,

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Speaker 1: although I do love dogs, hope they're very nice to them.

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Speaker 1: But is that even does that even a job anymore?

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Speaker 1: Are there dog catchers like that's not even a thing?

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Speaker 1: Probably running shelters that are trying to get dogs in

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Speaker 1: the nice homes. Anyway, have this experiment play out. Sit

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Speaker 1: there and say to yourself how many times have they

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Speaker 1: gone after for the last decade they've gone after Republicans.

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Speaker 1: You have Scott Perry in Texas. Look what they tried

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Speaker 1: to do to him for doing his job. You have

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Speaker 1: Scott Walker in Wisconsin. The go google the John Doe investigations.

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Speaker 1: It was stalinist what they were doing. They were not

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Speaker 1: only raiding people's homes at six am to take their

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Speaker 1: computers and their phones and everything. They were then gagging

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Speaker 1: them publicly from speaking about it under a law meant

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Speaker 1: to protect rape victims, but they abused it to go

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Speaker 1: after Scott Walker's team. Under the there was coordination with

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Speaker 1: a pack. Imagine someone shows up at your home at

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Speaker 1: six o'clock in the morning, armed men with guns, long guns, rifles,

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Speaker 1: tactical gear. Bangman bang at the door, knocking on the door,

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Speaker 1: not shooting. You know, we're here to take all your stuff.

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Speaker 1: Why because some Democrat operative politician and prosecutor says that

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Speaker 1: you talk to somebody who talked to somebody who's running

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Speaker 1: a pack. Yeah, that's what they were doing. Chris Christy Bridgegate.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you are the unhappy with

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Speaker 1: Chris Christy. He put that aside for a second. They

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Speaker 1: tried he was at one point a contender. He was

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Speaker 1: at one point tight with Trump, but they try to

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Speaker 1: take him out under a traffic jam that some of

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Speaker 1: his underlings created. Bob McDonald I've been screaming about the

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Speaker 1: Bob McDonald cays, and I said, look, look at this.

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Speaker 1: Prosecuted a possible presidential contender for the Republicans for not

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Speaker 1: actually doing anything. He didn't do anything, accepted gifts. His

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Speaker 1: wife was like, oh, thank you for the rolex from

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Speaker 1: a rich businessman.

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Speaker 5: Go to prison for that?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Obviously Donald Trump rushed a collusion and now what we

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Speaker 1: see with all the cases against them. Ted Stevens exculpatory

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Speaker 1: evidence hidden by federal prosecutors. They knew Ted Stevens was innocent,

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Speaker 1: and they hit it as a matter of fact. This

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Speaker 1: They play for keeps. They have been doing this and

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Speaker 1: setting the I'm probably leaving some off by the way.

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Speaker 1: I know I am, But those are just the ones

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Speaker 1: Who are the Democrats that didn't do anything wrong, but

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Speaker 1: we haven't discussed Maui yet on the show. The devastation there,

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Speaker 1: the fires.

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Speaker 5: We will.

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Speaker 1: We have our friend Will Kine, who spent a lot

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Speaker 1: of time in Lehina or Lehna.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, might be pronouncing it wrong.

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Speaker 1: We spent a lot of who's He's spent a lot

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Speaker 1: I believe he has family who lives there. So Will

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Speaker 1: Caine of Fox News is going to join us, I

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Speaker 1: believe tomorrow on that And like I said, he's on

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Speaker 1: us what's been going on. It's it's you feel terrible

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Speaker 1: for the people there who lost their homes and and

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Speaker 1: people lost their lives I believe almost one hundred of

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Speaker 1: them so far. And then also just you know the

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Speaker 1: devastating fires. You watch this happen, you think of all

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Speaker 1: the places I mean just Hawaii. I mean I've been

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Speaker 1: know things can happen no matter where you are.

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Speaker 5: That's clearly the truth. So we have.

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Speaker 1: Mark in Augusta, Georgia. Mark, what's going on.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to let you guys know how wrong

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Speaker 2: you were about camp. I tried to get through yesterday,

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Speaker 2: but wasn't able to Kim didn't win that election. Stacey

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Speaker 2: All Star Game and then her efforts to defund the police.

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Speaker 2: And she had just kept her mouth shut, she probably

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Speaker 2: would have won. Georgia and Georgia's changed a lot over

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Speaker 2: the last ten years. And one of the main reasons

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Speaker 2: it's Georgia now Lean's Blue is an influx of Northerners from,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the Atlanta metro area. And then the

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Speaker 2: main reason is the Democrat factory located in Athens. The

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Speaker 2: An example is Clark County, where Athens in UGA is located.

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Speaker 4: It's mostly rule except for Athens.

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Speaker 2: Athens in Clark County voted seventy percent for Stacy Abrams

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Speaker 2: and only thirty percent for Brian Kemp, who is from

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Speaker 2: Athens and went to the University of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so when you say Kemp didn't win your

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Speaker 1: I mean obviously Kemp did win the election, and he

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Speaker 1: won it the second time by a lot more than

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Speaker 1: he won it by the first time. It was basically

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Speaker 1: fifty forty eight and twenty eighteen. I think he won

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Speaker 1: by seven or eight points in reelection, so KEMP won

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Speaker 1: by a lot the second time around. And you're saying,

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Speaker 1: Stacey Abams about Canada, Clay's idea is the one about

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Speaker 1: the V. I assume you're referring to the VP. Neither

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Speaker 1: of us think that's going to happen now, so just

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Speaker 1: and it was really more a question of what could

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Speaker 1: Trump do that would help him in a swing state.

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Speaker 1: But I think now the rift between those two couldn't

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Speaker 1: be any more clear, and there's no chance of patching

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Speaker 1: it up. Uh So, Yeah, And I'll and Clay can

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Speaker 1: addressed the VP thing more when he comes on, because

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Speaker 1: that was his idea, and I don't think he doesn't

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Speaker 1: believe that's gonna happen now either. But is Trump gonna win?

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Speaker 1: If Trump's nominee, is he gonna win Georgia this time?

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what That's what i'd ask you, sir.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's basically establishment and republican, kimp has and

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Speaker 2: always that's.

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Speaker 5: Not what I asked you.

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Speaker 1: I said, if Trump is the Republican nominee, is he

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Speaker 1: gonna win Georgia in the next election.

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Speaker 2: I don't know it'll be closing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you, all right. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: Republicans have been winning Georgia. Now they're not winning Georgia

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Speaker 1: for the for the presidency, or at least it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be super close. So that's we got to focus on

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Speaker 1: how we can change that around. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: feud with Kemp and Trump is helpful for the presidential

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Speaker 1: aspirations there.

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Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Even saying who's to blame for it. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: it's not good. I just want us to win, like

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Speaker 1: to find a way to get that to happen. But

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Speaker 1: Dr Shawitz has weighed in on this. When we'll hear

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Speaker 1: some of his analysis coming up here in a few

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Speaker 1: minutes the dirsh and I think some of you are

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Speaker 1: gonna think he's spot on and Trump's gonna get through this.

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Speaker 5: We'll get to that coming up.

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton on the front Lines of

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Speaker 1: Truth