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Speaker 1: Tip to Tim. This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I'm Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat. Guess what day

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Speaker 1: it is? Guess what day it is? Hello everyone, It

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Speaker 1: is the third of August twenty twenty two, and it

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Speaker 1: is time for Morning Combat. I am one half of

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Speaker 1: your hosting duo for it today. My name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I join you from the capital of Estatus Nidas right

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Speaker 1: this man. I was gonna call him Elbigotte, but I

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Speaker 1: guess he shaved it off. Look at that. It's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's the it's the it's the What would you call him.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. He's the King of South Florida some

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Speaker 1: shit like that. It's Danny Segura. Hi, Danny, how are you?

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Oh shit, he can't hear me.

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Speaker 2: I thank you for having me. I'm hyped to be

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Speaker 1: a little bit, Danny. So you are currently with MMA junkie.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, Danny, I'm trying to think there's anything else here.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he ever even fought for a title.

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Speaker 1: for a guy who again good record, but not a

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Speaker 1: you about why this news is significant.

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Speaker 2: I think it's significant because he is transitioning into a

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Speaker 2: coach role, although he's been doing it for many years,

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Speaker 2: and honestly, he's become a really good coach, not only

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Speaker 2: how to manage your money, how to like live a

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's that's very important. And you see

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Speaker 2: I think that's super important. And so like all around,

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Speaker 2: he was one obviously and stayed in the UFC for many,

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Speaker 2: at the same time, he's not a guy that became champion.

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Speaker 2: As you said, He's not a guy that was like

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Speaker 2: you know, living pretty well, has a house.

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Speaker 3: Has a nice car. I believe he has a Bronco.

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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, and like, yeah, he's been able to

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Speaker 2: And I think he's sort of a good mentor for

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it. You know, here's the thing that

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Speaker 1: looking at his record he did have. You know, his

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Speaker 1: most notable fights were ones that he in terms of

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Speaker 1: We're ones that he lost. He lost to Bobby Green,

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Speaker 1: and he lost to Morgayen Maswittol. He does have a

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Speaker 1: It's crazy to be like James Cross fought Jamie Varner

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Speaker 1: of course he is. He finished his last fight with

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Speaker 1: He had a good career, But I think what stands

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Speaker 1: he was. I think he's going to be a much

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Speaker 1: sort of showing himself to be where are your best attributes,

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Speaker 1: People are now flocking to him. He now has a

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Speaker 1: to this point, Danny, and what you see is a

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Speaker 1: It seems to me. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, so

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Speaker 1: if I am, by all means interject, but it seems

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to agree, And look, I interviewed Brando

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Speaker 2: Interim Jim. He became history, Like he became the first

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Speaker 2: which people don't really realize how difficult that is given

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Speaker 2: close fight against Davidson Figudello. It's not like we saw him,

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Speaker 2: might have been the first Davison Figadillo fight. James Krause

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Speaker 2: then James Grouse is like, he tells me, he's like

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Speaker 3: Some of the holes that he saw and this and that.

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Speaker 2: And then once Brando Moreno saw this, like dude, this

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Speaker 2: And then once he started taking trips to Vegas James

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Speaker 2: that's why Brandon Moreno, as soon as he left entrom

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Speaker 2: he did not decide to try any other big gyms.

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Speaker 2: He also kind of likes that personalized boxing style training

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Speaker 1: Is there a way to explain the intron gym dynamic

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Speaker 1: to people like us who you've been there, right, you've

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Speaker 1: seen it. You for folks who haven't seen it, you've

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Speaker 2: That was a low gym, But I haven't been to the

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Speaker 2: high right name Lobo gym?

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Speaker 1: Have you been to? So? Have you been to Brandon

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Speaker 3: I haven't, but I'm dying to go.

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Speaker 2: I got to make a trip to Tijuana, but they

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Speaker 2: got tons of good prospects. Mikeel Morales, who fought at

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Speaker 2: everybody that is training in Latin America and can't get

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Speaker 2: that's that's literally the best gym right now outside of

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Speaker 1: M interesting, super crazy. Yeah, So we'll see what happens

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Speaker 1: It's not really related to Kraus's accomplishments per se, but

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Speaker 1: what to make of that, because on the one hand, Danny,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I care all that much either,

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Speaker 1: this way, the appearance of impropriety right at a bare minimum.

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Speaker 1: Like should we care? Is it a story? Where are

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Speaker 2: It's funny how I'm like praising James Scrouse here for

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Speaker 3: Let's just say that. But yeah, it is weird.

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Speaker 2: I think something that kind of takes away a little

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Speaker 2: big deal is that he's not fighting. If you're fighting,

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Speaker 2: I think that's if you're actually going in there, that's

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Speaker 2: maybe oh, I'm gonna you know, just a hypothetical situation.

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Speaker 3: If you're a fighter, you.

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Speaker 2: Could be like, if you're really good, you could be like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get this guy out in the fourth round,

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Speaker 2: because that's the round that you know, the betters predict

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Speaker 2: so then you know, I'll coast and then I'll try

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Speaker 2: to look for finish, et cetera. But since he's a coach, Roy,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit less of that. But

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Speaker 2: still I do get your point. I think maybe it

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Speaker 2: at the same time, there's so many things that should

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, like people just don't seem to care.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: It is a little weird.

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Speaker 1: It's a little weird. A's the way I would put them. Yeah,

436
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Speaker 1: a little weird. All right, let's not move on to

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Speaker 1: the next story here. This is the one that's the

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Speaker 1: anchor event of the weekend. Of course, let me just

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Speaker 1: quickly get your opinion on this a second. This was

440
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Speaker 1: supposed to be Jake Paul fight week right, This was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be Jake Paul versus I Seem Rock Band

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Speaker 1: Junior Madison Square Garden, and it's not. Now we will

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Speaker 1: recovered the story already on yes, or I should say

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Speaker 1: Monday is MK. So Danny, very quickly, your thoughts on

445
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Speaker 1: everything that happened in the disintegration essentially of the event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bummer, because it was Jake Paul's return, and you know,

447
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Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan of Jake Paul, but I

448
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Speaker 2: did like this fight because in this fight I feel

449
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Speaker 2: like he wasn't just fighting he was going to be

450
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Speaker 2: forced to box. In the previous fights, he was just fighting,

451
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Speaker 2: and you know, there's a big difference between actually boxing

452
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Speaker 2: and then fighting. With this one, he was actually gonna

453
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Speaker 2: have to put combinations together. You know, he was gonna

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Speaker 2: have to be in this conversation within the Sweet Science

455
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Speaker 2: that we've never seen him before before. It was just

456
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Speaker 2: like dodge punches and look to land the right hand,

457
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Speaker 2: you know, not a very complicated way to go about

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Speaker 2: this fights and here against the Rockman Junior. Like Rockman

459
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Speaker 2: Junior obviously is in the best boxer in the world,

460
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Speaker 2: but he's a boxer like this guy's out there in

461
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Speaker 2: the Sweet Science. He knows the sport and he's actually

462
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Speaker 2: doing the damn thing. So it is a bummer that

463
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Speaker 2: we don't get to see that next step, that escalation.

464
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Speaker 2: It's crazy how everything fell apart right from the start,

465
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Speaker 2: like it just when Tommy Feerry wasn't able to get

466
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Speaker 2: into the US, they found a late replacement.

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Speaker 3: There was the.

468
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Speaker 2: Hydration clause, like there was already a lot of hurdles,

469
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Speaker 2: and then this kind of just blows up on Jake

470
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Speaker 2: Paul's face. Not the best look. I mean, it's it's

471
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Speaker 2: a crazy situation. But I just hope that whenever that

472
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Speaker 2: he returns, he kind of keeps the same vibe and

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Speaker 2: goes up against the boxer.

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Speaker 1: Lastly on this assuming that Nate doesn't get like his

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Speaker 1: his his. How do I say this? Assuming Nate makes

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Speaker 1: it through the hams Out fight without his you know,

477
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Speaker 1: without the mark, without the markets desire to see him damaged, right,

478
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Speaker 1: they still want to see him whatever that means. How

479
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Speaker 1: big is Jake Paul versus Nate Diaz in boxing? How many?

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Speaker 1: How many buys put it on the line, Danny.

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Speaker 3: That's huge. I mean, I don't think you think like

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Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand.

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Speaker 2: I think you think it.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't think I think you can do a million? I

485
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Speaker 1: think now again, all of these things have to line up.

486
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Speaker 1: It has to be the right promotion. It has to

487
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Speaker 1: be you know, done well in advance. Both guys have

488
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Speaker 1: to do interviews and they have to be you might

489
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Speaker 1: even want to do like a media tour for it.

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Speaker 1: I think under the right circumstances, yes, I could sell

491
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Speaker 1: a million, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. That'd be an interesting fight. I'm

493
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Speaker 2: deffe I'd watch that for sure.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the fights this weekend we have,

495
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Speaker 1: however you want to label it, UFC Fight Night Walker

496
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Speaker 1: versus Hell UFC Fight Night two oh one, UFC on

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Speaker 1: ESPN plus fifty nine UFC Vegas forty eight whatever, we

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Speaker 1: have a card at the Apex now, Danny, the UFC

499
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Speaker 1: has been doing something a little bit interesting as things

500
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Speaker 1: have changed and the world begins to open back up,

501
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Speaker 1: and the UFC goes on the road a little bit

502
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Speaker 1: more right, They're not just going on the road for

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Speaker 1: pay per views. They're now going on the road for

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Speaker 1: fight nights. They were in of course, uh Texas, they

505
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Speaker 1: were in Long Island, They'll be in some other places soon.

506
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Speaker 1: They're gonna be in San Diego for the Cheeto Vera fyight.

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Speaker 1: What's ending up happening is that the Apex is still

508
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Speaker 1: a valuable place for them, but it's it'd be hard

509
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Speaker 1: to argue that the UFC is reserving their best fights

510
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Speaker 1: for the Apex. All things being what they are, you

511
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Speaker 1: do have a decent main event we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about in just a second between Jamal Hill and excuse me, yes,

513
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Speaker 1: between Jamal Hill and Thiago Santos. Nevertheless, what is your

514
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Speaker 1: assessment of how the UFC has treated the Apex of late,

515
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Speaker 1: the card quality there, the card quality this weekend, what

516
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Speaker 1: is your view about how all of that is sort

517
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Speaker 1: of created a tiered system of content.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I think we are seeing this is because clearly the

520
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Speaker 2: cards on the road are better, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are attributing it to the crowd, and I think

522
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Speaker 2: all you see it plays a factor into the fights

523
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Speaker 2: being better, the fighter is getting amped up and all that.

524
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Speaker 3: But if you just look at the cards on paper.

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Speaker 2: The cards outside of the Apex are just much better.

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Speaker 2: And one of the reasons is because at the Apex,

527
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Speaker 2: the UFC doesn't have to sell tickets. So I don't

528
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Speaker 2: think that this card, and all the respect to all

529
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Speaker 2: fighters competing at this upcoming card this Saturday, I don't

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Speaker 2: think you can put that on the road and sell out.

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Speaker 2: So you do have to, you know, put a little

532
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Speaker 2: bit of muscle in those cards that are on the

533
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Speaker 2: road because tickets are a big part of it. So

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Speaker 2: what happens is that for the shows that are at

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Speaker 2: the Apex, we're now seeing, you know, the UFC not

536
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Speaker 2: really put as much emphasis in those cards. So if

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Speaker 2: it's already an Apex card, you know that, okay, main event,

538
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Speaker 2: coming event are going to be good. But then below

539
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Speaker 2: that there might be a few gems here and there,

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Speaker 2: but more or less it's not gonna be a very

541
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Speaker 2: strong card. So that's I think that's the biggest thing.

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Speaker 2: I think ticket sales influence the UFC into actually putting

543
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Speaker 2: more muscle into these cards. So I love the UFC

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Speaker 2: on the Road just because it guarantees us a better event.

545
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Speaker 2: But you know, I don't really dig too much of

546
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Speaker 2: the UFC Apex, to be honest, but it does serve

547
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Speaker 2: a purpose nowadays, with so many cards, with so many

548
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Speaker 2: fighters on the roster who they have to give fights to,

549
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Speaker 2: this is a good avenue to sort of keep the

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Speaker 2: machine rolling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, people complain about the APEX, like it's the APEX

552
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Speaker 1: by itself that's the problem. But I didn't mind the

553
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Speaker 1: quiet fights with not much of a crowd during the

554
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Speaker 1: middle of the pandemic. To me, I don't mind the Apex.

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Speaker 1: What I mind is that if you're gonna give all

556
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Speaker 1: of the very best stuff to your pay per view

557
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Speaker 1: and then some really good stuff to the fight nights,

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Speaker 1: there's just not gonna be on the road. On the road,

559
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Speaker 1: there's just not gonna be much left. Now, with that

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Speaker 1: in mind, let's talk about this main event. Danny Thiago

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Speaker 1: Santos in a two hundred and five pound main event

562
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Speaker 1: against Jamal Hill. Jamal Hill on a two fight win streak,

563
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Speaker 1: Jiago Santos having lost three of his last four. The

564
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Speaker 1: last loss to on Caliov was thorough but boring. I

565
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Speaker 1: think most folks would say there just wasn't much action.

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Speaker 1: He did have a win before that against Johnny Walker,

567
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Speaker 1: but since the fight to John Jones and the time

568
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Speaker 1: off and the surgery and everything else, hard to argue

569
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Speaker 1: he's exactly the same as he was before. In fact,

570
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Speaker 1: he's a pretty big difference. Size up this contest for me,

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Speaker 1: What do you see as the most relevant way to

572
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Speaker 1: look at this fight?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is Jamal Hill is a pretty

574
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Speaker 2: interesting guy in the division.

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Speaker 3: I think Daguo Santos hasn't.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. He hasn't looked great since the

577
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Speaker 2: John Jones defeat. Obviously, he has some really bad knee

578
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: injuries that he had to take time off, but he

579
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Speaker 2: hasn't been the same he He just doesn't fight with

580
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Speaker 2: the same level of activity, doesn't fight with the same

581
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Speaker 2: level of meanness. So I think this is kind of

582
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Speaker 2: setting up Jamal Hill to become an exciting contender at

583
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Speaker 2: Tool five if he's able to pick up a good

584
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Speaker 2: victor here, and remember he'd had that crazy knockout win

585
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Speaker 2: over Johnny Walker not so long ago. I mean, what

586
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Speaker 2: the TOO five division needs right now is names and

587
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Speaker 2: top contenders. So I feel like this is a great

588
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Speaker 2: opportunity main event against a former title challenger to sort

589
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Speaker 2: of kind of propel Jamal Hill into that conversation and

590
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Speaker 2: have him, you know, be set up for future bigger

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Speaker 2: bouts here in the division. So that's kind of what

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Speaker 2: I see here. I think this is Jamal Hill's opportunity

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Speaker 2: to sort of go beyond just being an exciting fighter

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Speaker 2: that gets good finishes here and there, and actually become

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Speaker 2: a contender and become a threat in the division and

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Speaker 2: somebody that we start talking about as a potential future

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Speaker 2: title challenger.

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Speaker 1: Chiago Santos currently sitting at age thirty eight. He'll be

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Speaker 1: thirty nine in January, so he's sort of halfway through

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Speaker 1: it there. Give her take. Not quite a little bit longer. Actually,

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Speaker 1: Jamal Hill just turned thirty one in May. What is

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Speaker 1: your view of the upside of Jamal Hill. You kind

603
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Speaker 1: of got to it. Since he joined the UFC, he

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Speaker 1: won the Contender Series, he had the no contest to

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Speaker 1: klitson Abrady, which was originally a TKO hell for Win

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Speaker 1: overturned after he tested positive for marijuana, which is obviously bullshit,

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Speaker 1: we can be honest about that. Falls it up with

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Speaker 1: the ovin sate pru Win. He did lose to Paul Craig.

609
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Speaker 1: He got finished inside the first to Paul Craig, but

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Speaker 1: then rebounded with wins stoppage wins in the first round

611
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: himself against Jimmy Crute and Johnny Walker. What great handspeed,

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Speaker 1: good boxing. But to your point, as good as he's looked,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's still definitely some not questions, but you know,

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Speaker 1: there's further challenges to answer before we get a more

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Speaker 1: complete picture.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, And before we talk about how BS

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Speaker 2: is the whole no contest for marijuana. I know we've

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Speaker 2: talked about this, you know, media has just talked about

619
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Speaker 2: it for many years, but not that Vegas, not that

620
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Speaker 2: the Nevada Athletic Commission made it. I guess they don't

621
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Speaker 2: test for marijuana anymore. Should they go back and like

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Speaker 2: give all these guys that got their wins overturned to

623
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Speaker 2: one no contest? Shouldn't they get their wins back? Because

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're not testing for it anymore, and they're

625
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Speaker 2: saying it's cool, so you know what's going on, then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they should. I mean, it's fucking bullshit that they

627
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Speaker 1: ever did it to begin with. They don't have any

628
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Speaker 1: way to know if he was actually on feeling the

629
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Speaker 1: euphoric effects of it during the time of the bout

630
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Speaker 1: of the fight itself. So no, the commissions fucking blow.

631
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Speaker 1: We know this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's ridiculous, but yeah, to your point, yeah, I agree,

633
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: like good handspeed, good boxing. I think he's a little

634
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Speaker 2: bit green. He needs a little bit more experience Jamal Hill.

635
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Speaker 2: I see, you know, he's just twelve fights into his

636
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Speaker 2: m A career, so understandably so, but this is a

637
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Speaker 2: guy that again needs experience, and I feel like, above everything,

638
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: he needs victories over guys that have name value, for

639
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: confidence and also just to kind of beef up the

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Speaker 2: record and the resume. And I think this Thiago Santo's

641
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Speaker 2: fight is a great next step. I really like this

642
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: matchup before Jamal Hill, and we'll see how this guy evolves.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's thirty one. We know that let heavyweights

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Speaker 2: or heavyweights usually tend to have longer careers. Usually they

645
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Speaker 2: get into their primes a little bit later into their

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Speaker 2: careers compared to lighter weight classes. So I think at

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Speaker 2: thirty one, considering he doesn't have a ton of experience,

648
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot.

649
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: For Jamal Hill to gain here and to evolve.

650
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: So as of now, I'm not screaming, Hey, this guy's

651
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: title contender, this guy's a threat, but who knows.

652
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 3: Let's wait and see what happens with Jagua Santos.

653
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: Maybe he makes a statement here, and you know, fighters

654
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 2: can evolve greatly in between fights, so he certainly has

655
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: a lot to work with in terms of his athletic ability,

656
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: handspeed power. He just has to add a few things technically,

657
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: I think, and he's up there man.

658
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. In fact, if you look at the rankings, which

659
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: was probably a big driver in how this fight got made. Currently,

660
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: at the time of the broadcast, Jamal Hill sits at ten,

661
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: which seems about right. Thiago Santo's sitting at six. Now

662
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: what's interesting is that Paul Craig is sitting at nine. Nine.

663
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: Greg has a stoppage win Overhill. But my guess is

664
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: that what they're looking to do is they want to

665
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: get some fresh contenders in there, because if you look

666
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: at six to ten. It goes something like this. Six

667
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: is Thiago Santos, who's had a title shot and I

668
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: think is on the downside of his career, could be rough,

669
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: Which isn't to say he can't win on Saturday, That's

670
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: not what I mean. But his best wins are probably

671
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: behind him, is what I think. Dominic Gray is sitting

672
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: at seven, not sure what to do with him, already

673
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: had a title shot. Actually a couple of them. Eight.

674
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: Vulcan Uzdemir got a nice win over Paul Craig's sitting

675
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: at nine, but again Uzdemir already had a title shot.

676
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: Craig is sitting at nine. Then you have Jamal Hill

677
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: at ten. To your point, Jamal Hill doesn't have the

678
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: same experience as those guys. With a win over Santos,

679
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll take the number six spot,

680
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: but it puts some new life into the top of

681
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: that division. With the exception Danny of Jan Belohovitch sitting

682
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: at two. One to five is to share on Calaia

683
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: Rackets and Smith, So Smith's had a title shot to

684
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: share the former champion, Actually you know he has to

685
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: share a blohoe. Yeah, they're trying to get some new

686
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: blood in there is the basic idea they're trying to

687
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: shuffle some new life into there. Jamal Hill at thirty one,

688
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: one of the younger guys. Given that position, it put

689
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: them just outside the top five ish in that space. Conversely,

690
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: if if Santos gets a win, to me, this would

691
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: be his most validating one. Johnny Walker sitting at thirteen,

692
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: if he could beat like a like a surging let's

693
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: put that way, semi surging Jamal Hill, that would shut

694
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: up doubters like potentially you and me or somebody else

695
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: out there who thinks, oh well he can't you know,

696
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: this is the end of it. That would it would

697
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: be a real validating moment to keep his spot hovering

698
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: on the outside of that top five.

699
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, no, for sure, I think that's that's what

700
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: it is. He's looking to prove that he belongs in

701
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: that spot at number six because right now, you know,

702
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Tayle Santo's career, as you mentioned, is a bit on

703
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: a downfall. He doesn't look he doesn't look to be

704
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: the same fighter that he once was. But if he

705
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: loses to Jamal Hale, I think that's a clear indication, like, hey,

706
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: his better days are over because that's a different type

707
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: of defeat, a different type of loss. So this is

708
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: very much guarding his spot and guarding I'm not saying

709
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: he's going to become a title contender with this win,

710
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: but guarding yeah, that spot that like, hey, you know,

711
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: I'm here to compete and I'm still among the top

712
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: ten in the world. Look at this guy that was

713
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: coming up, that was ranked at ten. He couldn't get

714
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: by me. Give me a big fight in the future.

715
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: And for Jamal Hill, is that I think if you

716
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 2: beat him, you get a former title challenger in your record.

717
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: A lot of people saw him beat John Jones.

718
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: I think this opens the doors for the top five

719
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden we're going to start seeing

720
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: him in meaningful bouts that could have big consequences at

721
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: two five for sure.

722
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: No doubt about it. Yeah, somebody who is not title

723
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: shot ready but top contender fight ready. Oh yeah, is

724
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 1: the way I would put that, all right, So our

725
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: co main event is actually maybe the best fight on

726
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: the card. In fact, if you were if you were ranking,

727
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: tell me if you disagree, Danny, if you were putting

728
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: the fights in order in such a way where you

729
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: were putting it like very best fight on paper. First,

730
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: this is what it would be of all the fights

731
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: on the card. Vicente Luke taken on Jeff Neil at welterweight.

732
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: That's the best fight on this card by a mile.

733
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: Neither guy is shot, neither guy is by any means

734
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: potentially even reached their peak. Yet there's some debate over that.

735
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: But where are they? Where is Vicente Luke in his career, Danny,

736
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: and where is Jeff Neil? And why is their meeting

737
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: here significant?

738
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is my favorite fight on the card, and

739
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: I think it'll be many's as well. I think he

740
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 2: sent that Luca is in a similar position to Tiatro

741
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: Santo's not exactly in the sense that you know, he

742
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: looked terrible in his last outing and we're thinking he's

743
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: going downhill. No, I think his better days are still ahead.

744
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: But he does share the same ranking. I believe he

745
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: sits right outside of the top five. He's number six nowadays,

746
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: and he's always been a guy that like he's clearly talented.

747
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: It picks up important wins, but once he needs to

748
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: make that big step and really face somebody against the

749
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: top five, he's come up short, right, this time around,

750
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: it was Bila Muhammed in his last outing prior to

751
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 2: that was Stephen wonder Boy Thompson. And then you know,

752
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 2: he takes those l's and he goes on these long

753
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: streaks until he meets again a top five. Will that

754
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: be the story in the future. I guess we'll find out.

755
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: But this is that, this is that rebound to kind

756
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: of just check Vicente Luke real quick, Like, Okay, clearly

757
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 2: you couldn't get past the top five for now, but

758
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: let's just make sure real quick you're still you know,

759
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,439
Speaker 2: above the pack of the top ten and fighting.

760
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: Here Jeff Neil believe he's ranked number fourteen. I think

761
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 3: that fight serves that.

762
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: While on the other hand, for Jeff Neil, it's, you know,

763
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: an opportunity against one of these bigger guys so he

764
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: can go in the future. Hey, you know, I deserve

765
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 2: a big step up in competition, and certainly a win

766
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: over Vicente Luke would probably be his best, right, Like,

767
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: Becente Luke is an animal.

768
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: Certainly, he's he's super super good.

769
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: And something that I like about Luca here is that

770
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 2: he's always been open to like taking you know, tune

771
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 2: up fights, and I'm sort of throwing the air quotes

772
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 2: here because Jeffio's no tune up fight, but this is

773
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: as close as you can get to a tune up

774
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: fight in the UFC, and I think that's great. I mean,

775
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: usually guys of his position would want to just you know,

776
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: keep in the top and just fighting guys that are

777
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: in the top five are close around.

778
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: He sent that Luca after the big losses.

779
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: He has no problem like going, Okay, let's just get

780
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: some momentum back, let's get some victory back. And yeah,

781
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: I think that's exactly what he's doing in this bat

782
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 2: in this matchup. So I think this is a perfect

783
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: fight for Luca and a perfect fight for Neil as well.

784
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: Dude, I completely forgot because it's so hard to keep

785
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: up with this stuff now in ways that it never

786
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: used to be. But in twenty nineteen, Jeff Neil has

787
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,760
Speaker 1: a unanimous decision to win over Balal Muhammed. I completely

788
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: forgot about that. Number one and number two. It tells

789
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: you a lot of things because Neil's last fight, which

790
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: was a win over Santiago Ponzinibbio, that was nice, but

791
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: it was split. It's a tough fight. Questions about where

792
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: Pons and Nibbia is at in the state in his

793
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: career as well, and then prior to that he had

794
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: lost his rep back to back to Wonder Boy and Magne,

795
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: and the one to Wonder Boy was like I mean,

796
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: extremely one sided by and large. So it tells you

797
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: that like Neil has kind of tripped up a little

798
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: bit and is trying to catch his feet, he might

799
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: be able to continue that process here on Saturday. Conversely, dude,

800
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: balal Mohammed is a guy that I've been wrong about

801
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: ballall more times than I am happy to admit that

802
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: dude has turned into a genuine force. And I know

803
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: the criticisms are going to be, well, his game is

804
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: not all that entertaining, but you would certainly agree, dude

805
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: the law has really turned into a dynamic force in

806
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: this division in terms of giving very good fighters like

807
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: Vicente Luke in their last contest, I believe a really,

808
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: really tough Frankly, I won't say punishing victory, but complete

809
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: certainly in the sense of there was by the time

810
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: they went to the scorecards there really wasn't much question

811
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: about the arithmetic, was there.

812
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Loamahammed has really turned a corner he has losses

813
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: to both these guys here and blah Mohammed is is

814
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: just a really good fighter, and I think, yeah, he

815
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: might not have that many stoppage wins.

816
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: A lot of his fights go to the decision.

817
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 2: But I would say out of everybody at Wiltaway, he's

818
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 2: one of the guys that fights most responsible. He sticks

819
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: to his game plan, doesn't deviate from it, you know,

820
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: minimize his risk as much as he possibly can. I mean,

821
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: the guy really does the best and puts his his

822
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: his tools. He does the best that he can do

823
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: with his tool set. And yeah, it's a guy that's

824
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people doubted him, and a lot of

825
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 2: people I feel like are still doubting him. But he's

826
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: you know, he's picking up the wins and he's on

827
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: his way up and forcing his way up quite frankly,

828
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: because he's on a crazy win streak. And I think

829
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: he's gonna be one of these guys that he's gonna

830
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: have to prove and become undeniable in order for him

831
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: to get a title shot, very much like Kamara Usman at.

832
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: Some point, Yeah, exactly, and tomorrow turned several corners I

833
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: suppose in his career. Yeah, but Jeff Neil, let's talk

834
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: about him for just a second. Other was he's obviously

835
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: had some personal issues in his life, but he's only

836
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 1: thirty one years of age, and again he is coming

837
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: off of win against Ponzinibbio. So let me actually reflect

838
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: on that because I'm where do you like? Okay, let's

839
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: ask it this way. How much can you read into

840
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: that win for Jeff Neil? And I'm gonna ask that

841
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: in a way where Danny, I'm asking you to give

842
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 1: me an assessment of what it means to beat Santiago

843
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: Ponzinibbio in twenty twenty one. What does that win actually

844
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: tell you about Jeff Neil.

845
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that wins important.

846
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: I think he didn't beat the old Santiago Poso, the

847
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: prime Santerra Poncinio, back when he was, you know, headlining

848
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: events when the UFC was really going to South America.

849
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: He headlined in Argentina. Believe he headline as well in Cheetah.

850
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, but that Santiapoco was a top five

851
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: fighter in the world, top five easy. Now this Santiago

852
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: Pincinivo that we see that he came back after this

853
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: crazy bacterial infection that almost cost him his life. It's

854
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: still very good. I do think he's a top fifteen fighter,

855
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: but he's not that top five threat that he once.

856
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: Used to me.

857
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: So I think this is still a very important win.

858
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 2: Like getting by Santa is not easy. The people that

859
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: have done it usually are involved in Fight of the

860
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: Knights and take a good beating in the process, like

861
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 2: it's not easy to get by Santiago Puncinivio. So I

862
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: do put a lot of weight in that victory. I

863
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: think it is a good victory for Jeff Neil, but

864
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's not a victory that claims, hey, this

865
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: guy's going to be the next in line for the

866
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: title shot or anything like that. But I do like

867
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: Jeff Neil, and I remember, like a few just a

868
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, back before he had that lost

869
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: to Stephen WonderBoy Thompson, he was on this crazy streak

870
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: that included that victory over Blah, and a lot of

871
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 2: people are wondering, hey, this guy's on the come up?

872
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 3: Is he the next title contender?

873
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: Lost a step lost to Stephen WonderBoy Thompson a pretty

874
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: dominant decision, lost in Neil Magne who's a complete stud

875
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: and I feel like he's kind of just getting the

876
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: momentum back, and at thirty one, I.

877
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: Still think there's a lot of upside.

878
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: We'll see tough, tough bite about here against Luke, but.

879
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: I think he still has some good fights ahead of him.

880
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll talk about some of the stuff in

881
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: terms of x's and o's on a Friday. There a

882
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: little bit for Luke. I want to ask the question

883
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: this way. If the answer is no, then say no,

884
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: have you given up on the idea of Vicente Luke

885
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: as at least a title challenger as a guy you

886
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: will actually see fight for a UFC welterweight title.

887
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 3: No, not yet, not yet.

888
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: I do understand why people may have those doubts, and

889
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: I think it's fair because again, he goes on these

890
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: really good winning streak against like top fifteen, top ten opposition,

891
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: and once they've put him to take the step for

892
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: a top five, he's come up short. So I understand that,

893
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: and it seems that it's a repeating pattern at discipline.

894
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 2: But the dude's only thirty right now. This is the

895
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: prime of his career. He trains out of a really

896
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: really good gym, Let's not forget his last fight against Ballal.

897
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: That was his first main event ever, that was his

898
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: first five round fight ever. So it just shows that

899
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: even though he does have a lot of fights, there's

900
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: still a lot of experience to be gained, and hopefully

901
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: as he gets more main events in the future, we'll

902
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: start seeing a more complete decente. Luke and I do

903
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: think he's probably better suited for a five round fights anyways,

904
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: just giving how dangerous he is across the entire fight.

905
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: And something that he told me, because I talked to

906
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: him a couple of days ago, something that he told

907
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: me that you learned from the Ballall fight is that

908
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: going into that fight, it was his first time fighting

909
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes, and he wasn't really sure about his

910
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: cardiot because he always swings hard, he always goes for

911
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: the finish, and he thought that maybe there could have

912
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: been a chance that towards the end he could have

913
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: lost some steams, so he kind of held back a

914
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: little bit too much, and he said after the fight

915
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 2: was over, I'm like, dude, I have so much more

916
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: to give, and that kind of heard him as well. Obviously,

917
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: Balal data a fantastic fight too, and I think technically

918
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: it exposedly to certain things, but overall, like I do

919
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: think he can tweak certain things, and giving how dangerous

920
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: he is not only on the feet but on the

921
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 2: ground as well, you do have a threat here. You

922
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: do have a threat. He's got a His takedown defense

923
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 2: is good. But what happens is that when fighters shoot

924
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: on him, sometimes they might not be able to get

925
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: the takedown, but they're able to press him against the cage.

926
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: They're able to control them, and that obviously doesn't look

927
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 2: good on the eyes of the judges, and it costs him.

928
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: So again, a few little tweaks here and there, and

929
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: I do think he can be a legit title threat.

930
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 2: He's also, again one of the younger guys at thirty.

931
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the guys at the top, like the

932
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Bass thirty.

933
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,479
Speaker 3: Four already, So who knows.

934
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 2: It may be a year or two once Kamara, who's

935
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: like thirty six and these older guys that are at

936
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: the top start facing out, he can start coming into

937
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: his own at thirty two, thirty three and be that

938
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: title contender and fight for a title. I think that's possible,

939
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: all right.

940
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: Look, moving down the card here a little bit I'm

941
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: not trying to be the guy that does the cliche

942
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: thing where like I'm too cool for school and let's

943
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: just spend thirty minutes taking a shit on The Ultimate Fighter.

944
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I've been taking a shit on The Ultimate Fighter for

945
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: ten years plus. I mean, I gave up on it

946
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: long time ago, long time ago before. I guarantee you

947
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the people watching or even watching him me,

948
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I just it's not been what it used to be

949
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. But okay, that we've done

950
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: that thing before, I don't really give a shit to

951
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: do it anymore. Nevertheless, Danny, there is something to be

952
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: said where it's not just old, you know, hipster assholes

953
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: like me who no longer watch it. I'm not really

954
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: sure who does now. There obviously is enough of an

955
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: audience because they do it on ESPN, plus they had

956
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: Julianapinia and Amana Nunez as coaches. Fine, if there's enough

957
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: of an audience, great, What can you say about The

958
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fighter At this point? It's just another show, you know,

959
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't I wouldn't go out of my way

960
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: to like clown stuff they put on YouTube, like oh

961
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: Best Knockouts or whatever I see this sort of commensurate

962
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: with that. It has a purpose, not a significant one,

963
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: and that's the end of it.

964
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know why. Honestly, it's still around, to

965
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 2: be quite frank with you, it used to be, and

966
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: I think this is what's hurting. And one like back

967
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: in the day, you know this, like in the early

968
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: two thousands, reality television was everything, so obviously having a

969
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: reality TV show for MMA that was big for the

970
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: fans as well. I think with the demise of reality TV,

971
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: that's kind of hurt the Ultimate Fighter. And also what's

972
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: hurt the Ultimate Fighter is that before years ago, it

973
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: was super hard to get into the UFC. There weren't

974
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: nearly as many events, so the roster was a lot smaller.

975
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: So to get a spot in the UFC was like huge.

976
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: It was huge, and winning the Ultimate Fighter would be like, Okay,

977
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: this guy's entering the UFC, and that sort of had

978
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 2: a whole prestige.

979
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: Around it, just being part of the UFC roster.

980
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,799
Speaker 2: Nowadays, with Contender series and so many fights falling out

981
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: because of COVID, this, this and that, and all of

982
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: a sudden, we get a huge influence and the roster

983
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: is huge, and we get fights every weekend. Now it's

984
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: not as meaningful as it used to be to be

985
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: part of the UFC. So it's like, Okay, you're gonna

986
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: go weeks and go through this entire grueling tournament that

987
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: doesn't really reflect sort of if you will do well

988
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: in the UFC or not, because it's just such a

989
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: vastly different format.

990
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 3: And then at the end you get like a contract.

991
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: I feel like there needs to be something more than

992
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: just a contract because at this point, so many fighters

993
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: get contracts. You know, we see the influx on fighters.

994
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 2: It's huge nowadays, so it has lost a lot of

995
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: a lot of pop. I do think they need to

996
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: do something if they want to keep it around, they

997
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: need to do something to sort of bring it back

998
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: to life a little bit, because yeah, it just doesn't.

999
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Bringing that Frankenstein. There ain't no bringing that Frankenstein back.

1000
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: I mean it is.

1001
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: I think it's done.

1002
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: I think that they can keep it alive, but I

1003
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: don't think they can turn it into something that it

1004
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: was somebody that it was like to your point, like

1005
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: the way I think you even started, the point was

1006
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: exactly right, which was I yes, in two thousand and five,

1007
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: I was twenty five years old, right the middle of

1008
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: my twenties, when you feel like you know you're king

1009
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: of the world in certain ways, even though you know

1010
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,280
Speaker 1: you're not obviously in almost all of them, but certainly

1011
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: tied to your youth, and in two thousand and five

1012
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: that what they were trying was incredibly relevant. Now it's

1013
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: changed over time to adapt to the time, but each

1014
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: new iteration it occupies is typically less significant than the

1015
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: last one. The thing that it was and what it

1016
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: represented is tied to a time where none of that

1017
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: is relevant, and even the adaptations to it only The

1018
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: brand just goes like this, and you can listen. I

1019
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: think they're doing the best they've done. It sounds like

1020
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,399
Speaker 1: nothing but insult standing. They've done the best that they

1021
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: can with this. They have managed the decline softly. That's

1022
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: best case scenario, by and large. Yeah, you get television

1023
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: shows like Jeopardy which lasts for decades. That's not the

1024
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: realistic expectation. You can't that's not a real model you

1025
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: can follow for it to be as round as around

1026
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: as long as it has and still have. At least

1027
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: I can acknowledge some relatively small but some value. That's

1028
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: all that you can do with it. There's no turning

1029
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: there's no turning this car around, so to speak. Now

1030
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: with that in mind, quickly, maybe any any thoughts. There's

1031
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 1: a heavyweight champion or a heavyweight actually is a tournament

1032
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: championship between Zach Pauga I think I pronounce his name,

1033
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: and then the brother of Kamara Usman, Muhammad Usman. And

1034
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: there's a of course a women's flyweight final between Juliana

1035
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: Miller and Brogan Walker. Any thoughts on any of these fights.

1036
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: I think the interesting figure here is obviously Usman's brother.

1037
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 2: I've seen him fight a lot because he fights it

1038
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: out of He used to fight out of Titan f

1039
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: See here in South Florida, and he also had a

1040
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: fight in PFL.

1041
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: But you know, not to this them.

1042
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: But it's also hard right to live up to the

1043
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 2: expectation of his brother. But he's not nearly as good

1044
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 2: as as Kamarrow. Obviously he's a heavyweight, so maybe you know,

1045
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 2: his prime might be ahead of him. But I think

1046
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: he should win this fight against uh Sak Paga, who's

1047
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: actually a light heavyweight moving up to heavyweight for for

1048
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: this tournament, and he's fighting cage warriors before, so we'll see.

1049
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: I think the interesting name is Usman there was see

1050
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 2: he'd be a nice addition to the to the heavyweight

1051
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: roster because you know they need big names. But yeah,

1052
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: I don't have a ton of thoughts for this, And

1053
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 2: let me just say this. Look, the BFL is having

1054
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: like good success with the tournament. What if they did

1055
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: like something fairly similar, but they added like a prize,

1056
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: like you know, half a million dollars a million dollars

1057
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 2: to the winner or sort off, they spice things up.

1058
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 3: Do you really think the Ultimate Fighter is done for.

1059
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: Done for? No again? Do I think there are ways

1060
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: to keep the brand alive? Yes? Yes I do. Do

1061
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: I think that there are ways to make the brand

1062
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: have let's say, two x the ratings they have now? No,

1063
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: not really, I don't see this.

1064
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough.

1065
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: Also in this card, very quickly a heavyweight contest, Augusto

1066
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: Sakaia taking on Sergei Spivak. Kind of guys in that

1067
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: eleven to fifteen range, you know, looking to climb maybe

1068
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: closer to the top ten. You have, I think violence

1069
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: Queen Ariana Lipski taken on Priscilla Catchuera terre cart.

1070
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: There say again, that's the BC's special for sure.

1071
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: No, they're not. They're not American, So I don't know

1072
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 1: how well it works for BC's terrible preferences, But just

1073
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 1: the same. Terrence McKinney's on this one, Maria or Myra,

1074
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: I've never had a pronounce her name. Buenos Silva's on

1075
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: this card against Stephanie Egger. There's a few decent names

1076
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: up and down there for sure. Terrence McKinney actually one

1077
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: more interesting names? Anything else standing out to you about

1078
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: the card? And then we move on Sam.

1079
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,720
Speaker 3: He's fighting, that's interesting.

1080
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 1: That book? Is that still happening? Bro?

1081
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: He he's he hasn't fought, He wasn't He hasn't won

1082
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: a fight in his last past like eight bouts. I

1083
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: think he has seven losses in one draw. I don't

1084
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: know how he's still in the UFC. It's a big,

1085
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: big surprise. Yeah, I mean, what do you think he

1086
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: sticks if he takes a loss here? Do you think

1087
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: he sticks around?

1088
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: I would have said no. I would have said no.

1089
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just to remind everyone this is okay.

1090
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: So he had a two fight win streak when he

1091
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: be marchin Pragneo in twenty eighteen, who literally walked straight

1092
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: into him with his hands down. I mean it's one

1093
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: of the most bizarre UFC finishes you'll ever see. Then

1094
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: Jean Valante, who is you know, I think it's fair

1095
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: to say hittable. Then he fought, he loses to jo

1096
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: Jerio Noghera. Then Jimmy Crue that started in twenty eighteen,

1097
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,320
Speaker 1: then Clitson abray you. Then Ryan Span he had a

1098
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 1: draw against dot Un Jung. Then Julian Marquez, then Wellington

1099
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: termin and then Brendan Allen the last of four of them. Actually,

1100
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I can go yeah. Starting from Span, he

1101
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: gets a he gets a decision lost there, and then

1102
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: dot Un Jong another one. Julian Marquez finished him, Wellington

1103
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: Turman finished him, Brendan Allen finished him. I'll say this, Danny,

1104
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: if he loses, but it's a decision, he might stick around.

1105
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: To be perfectly fucking honest with you, I mean, probably not,

1106
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: but there's even a chance if he gets finished. I'd

1107
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: say there's no chance. I mean, this is this is

1108
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times guys fall off a

1109
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,760
Speaker 1: cliff when they get older. Sam Alvi is currently sitting

1110
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: at let's see thirty six, not the oldest, but whatever.

1111
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: But you know, his situation is where if they start

1112
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: to lose, you're like gonna lose consecutively, let's say, or

1113
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: you know, like in big spots, like you got one

1114
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: win in your last four or something, that's that's that's

1115
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 1: a bad side. And then when that turns into like

1116
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: injury or finishes, that's when you know you're really at

1117
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: the end there. Like for Tyern Woodley's end, it was

1118
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: not nearly as long as this, but he was just

1119
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: went from like lifeless performance, lifeless injury stoppage. That's sort

1120
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: of usually the way it goes. We might be well

1121
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: passed that here with Sam Alvey at this point.

1122
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see.

1123
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know, to be honest, I

1124
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 2: want you even put a prediction on his future with

1125
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 2: the UFC because this whole situation is just so bizarre.

1126
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: But outside of that, I really like Terrence McKinney. I

1127
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 2: know he had a loss to Drew Dover, but even

1128
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: then I thought he looked pretty good in it. He's

1129
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 2: pretty young prospect. I like the upside on him. Yeah,

1130
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: that's that's probably out of the prelims. That's the guy

1131
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: that I'm I'm keeping an eye on Terns.

1132
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: McKinney.

1133
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: All right, next in the lineup here, something you mentioned

1134
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 1: you had introduced the PFL. Let's talk about this very quickly,

1135
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: so CEO of PFL, Peter Murphy told John Morgan something

1136
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: I thought semi interesting, namely quote in New York, which

1137
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: I'll get to that event in a second. I have

1138
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: it pulled up. We will have two fights that lead

1139
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 1: into the four fight semi final fights that are due

1140
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: or die, meaning the fighters who win those fights will

1141
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: secure their position on next season's twenty twenty three roster,

1142
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: and whomever loses, we're going to say, thank you, it's

1143
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: time to move on. Let me set that up one

1144
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: more time. Two fights that lead into the four semi

1145
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: final fights. So the four semi finals are the let's

1146
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: see the light heavyweight between Wilkinson, Monte, Akamededov and Achmedov

1147
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: excuse me in SILVERA. And then they have lightweight ones

1148
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: between Pettis, Stevie, ray Aubin, Marcier and Martinez. The two

1149
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: ones that lead into it. I'm not sure which ones

1150
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: are on the contest they're referring to specifically, but they're

1151
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: taking a little bit more more of a cutthroat attitude

1152
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: on talent retain acquisition and whether or not they want

1153
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: to retain them. You like the move from PFL.

1154
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: I don't, to be quite honest, because what happens, for example,

1155
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: like Jeremy Stevens didn't make the playoffs, right, so what

1156
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 2: happens with him last year? Like Anthony Pettis didn't make

1157
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: the playoffs? What if he fights on a card? Is

1158
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: if this is a rule that's applied to everyone, are

1159
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: they just gonna let go of these like big talent acquisitions,

1160
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 2: is big free agents that they fought for. I don't

1161
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 2: think that's a that's a smart decision, And I don't

1162
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 2: like picking and choosing like, Okay, these fighters are at risk,

1163
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: these fighters are not.

1164
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: You know, there's a famous saying in Spanish.

1165
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard of it in your household, it's

1166
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 2: othos in la camo, those in peaceful Like it's either

1167
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: everyone on the bed or everyone on the floor. So

1168
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 2: it doesn't do a whole lot for me. It's not

1169
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,479
Speaker 2: like I'm now looking forward to these fights. Oh who's

1170
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 2: gonna get cut and not gonna you know, be there

1171
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 2: for next season. I think you just try to get

1172
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 2: the best names and the most interesting names for the season,

1173
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: and that's it. You don't make them sort of fight

1174
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: for it while the playoffs are going on.

1175
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: Might be and by the way, it's it's going to

1176
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: start with New York, which is PFL seven, but it's

1177
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: actually going to apply to Cardiff and London as well.

1178
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: As what Murray told him the cards, these are cards

1179
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: with purpose, meaning every fight truly carence. Of course we

1180
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: have our semi final matchups, but every fight on the

1181
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: card will really matter. So the four fights, the four

1182
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,919
Speaker 1: fighters look at the secular place on the promotions. Twenty

1183
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three roster would be Martin Hamlet and Corey Hendrix,

1184
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: as well as heavyweight matchup between Marcelo Noonez and Dylan Potter.

1185
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, I often do this role. I mean, listen,

1186
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: whatever PFL needs to do and if they have a

1187
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: right to retain guys they want to retain and whatnot.

1188
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: But it's kind of interesting. John Nash brought up a

1189
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: point to me, and it's always remember something like this.

1190
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: Everyone reflects on fighter pay as like the disparity between

1191
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: boxing and MMA, but really it's not there's any an

1192
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: entire posture that everyone assumes that you can see play

1193
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: out in Myria different ways. For example, Danny Brandon Marino

1194
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: wins against KAIKR France on Saturday and they bring in

1195
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: Devison Figuredo to the ring. If you're the A side

1196
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: in a boxing contest, right and you win, you get

1197
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: the final say over who enters and doesn't enter that ring.

1198
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: For example, Danny, you would get this. We had Erol

1199
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: Spence recently on Showtime Fight Yoda Danny's ugas and he

1200
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: beat Ugas. You think there's any fucking chance that the

1201
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: promotion brings in Bud Crawford into the ring without Errol

1202
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: Spence approving something like that, it would never never happen?

1203
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 1: True or false?

1204
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: True?

1205
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So here's what I mean in this way.

1206
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: If the PFL wants to retain these guys or not

1207
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: retain these guys, certainly that is well within their rights, right.

1208
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 1: You can keep guys you want whatever the contract says,

1209
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: if they're up to the job or if they're not

1210
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: your But my only point is they keep framing this.

1211
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, in boxing, the promoters kind of bid

1212
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: to see who they can make an attractive offer to

1213
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: get people to sign with them. In MMA, it's the inverse.

1214
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: It's we control the show and the fighters have to

1215
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: consistently try out to get to come to our show.

1216
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: So I don't mind it in a vacuum and a vacuum.

1217
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: There's nothing at all, by itself inherently bad about it.

1218
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,799
Speaker 1: I want to be very clear about it. But it

1219
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 1: is one of those things where if you ask yourself, yes,

1220
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: there are tournaments in boxing on occasion that do happen,

1221
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: but sort of you know, standard run of the mill

1222
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 1: boxing operations something like this, a promoter would never fucking

1223
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: say it would never even occur to them to say it.

1224
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: I think that's where I come down on this.

1225
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think that's fair.

1226
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see how it plays out, especially like

1227
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: if they have any bigger names that don't make it

1228
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: to the playoffs, Like, are you gonna apply the same

1229
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: rule if they fil like is their job on the line.

1230
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: We'll see definitely interesting. I'll give this to PFL. PFL

1231
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: kind of is a little bit of a disruptor in

1232
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 2: the in the space, just because their their format is

1233
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: so different and they are trying different things. So I'll

1234
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: give them that. I think there is. I think there

1235
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: needs to be a little bit more innovation and see

1236
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 2: what works and what doesn't. Not a big fan of

1237
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 2: this exactly per se, but I do like the spirit of, hey,

1238
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, trying to switch things up and try new things.

1239
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the saddest topic on

1240
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: earth that is really just you know, I realized that

1241
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: the people have buried him, but we've not talked about

1242
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: this on this show. BC's not here, so Danny, you

1243
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: get the wonderful honor of having to walk us through this.

1244
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: The Iranian Hulk is back in the news. God, what

1245
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: a sad sack this This mfor is Sajad Garyb. I'm

1246
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: sure my Farci makes me pronounce that name incorrectly, but

1247
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: Sajad Gharibi, known as the Iranian Hulk, a man who

1248
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: is six foot two with three hundred and eighty five pounds,

1249
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: and if you knew anything about fighting, it would immediately

1250
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: occur to you that he couldn't fight his way out

1251
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: of a wet paper bag. But because Instagram is stupid

1252
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: and the culture around it is stupid, and everyone just

1253
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: sort of looks for it like circus animals and circus acts,

1254
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: this guy got some traction and he was supposed to

1255
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: fight Martin Ford, who is this actor, but he's an

1256
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: enormous man. He's like six eight six ' nine and

1257
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 1: he's jacked as shit, and they had a shoving match

1258
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: for yeah all, Natty definitely got looking that way on

1259
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: eating tapioca and getting a good night's sleep, but neither

1260
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: here nor there. They have a stare down and he

1261
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: shoves the running Hulk, and obviously this guy is a

1262
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, he can barely stand up, right. I mean,

1263
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: this dude probably wakes up with headaches because he can't

1264
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: get a full night of oxygen in his sleep. And

1265
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: people are like, he's going to be a good fighter. Okay,

1266
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: So he gets disowned by his family for looking sad

1267
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: and weak, and a stare down with against Martin Ford,

1268
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: a fight that doesn't happen, mind you, doesn't even fucking happen.

1269
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: He has this boxing match against a dude called the

1270
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: Kazakh Titan, and it goes about how you might expect.

1271
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have the footage or any

1272
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: of the videos. I'm hoping that we do, but we

1273
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: may not. If we do, just roll them on. Yeah,

1274
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: there we go Danny. Look at this shit, bro. I

1275
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: mean this guy is he's literally a guy in day

1276
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: one in the gym at your gym? Is he not?

1277
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's uh, he's terrible.

1278
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 2: And I don't know how this guy became famous, Like

1279
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people, the whole thing before this guy

1280
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 2: actually wasn't like camera and not like edited on photoshop,

1281
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: Like he was just massively like just a huge guy.

1282
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: And people are like, oh my god, the Iranian hope.

1283
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 2: But it was so clear that it was photoshoped, like

1284
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: you can't get that type of body just by working out.

1285
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: But somehow people bought it and it became like a

1286
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 2: whole legend or thing in the NIME community. And now

1287
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: that he's like fighting, because celebrity boxing is like a

1288
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 2: thing now, Yeah, the dude just sucks.

1289
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 3: He's terrible. I mean, it's crazy.

1290
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: Isn't it weird that in MMA we get these characters

1291
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 2: that become like things like even like I know this

1292
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: is vastly different, but like has Bulah, you know, I'm

1293
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: sure you know him. Like there's like these like personalities

1294
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 2: that become famous in combat sports. I don't know why.

1295
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. It's like combat sports, this is

1296
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: the place for them, right because again insiders, people who

1297
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: are you know, are especially fighters and coaches and people

1298
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: who live in the gym, they understand, like I never

1299
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: if you watch one year of MMA one year and

1300
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: that let's say regional and like high level and everything else.

1301
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: What what's one of the major conclusions you might come

1302
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: to for me, Danny? One of them would be, there's

1303
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different body types or different weight classes,

1304
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 1: but in general, the guys who look more like gymnasts

1305
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: even less than that because they're pretty jacked. But like

1306
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: Michael Phelps, the fighters with the physiques, like Michael Phelps,

1307
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: they tend to do better than the bodybuilder types than

1308
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: the big fat types. Then you know, again all different

1309
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: types succeed, but in general, that's your ideal prize fighting

1310
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: body type, you know, give or take is a little

1311
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: bit obviously some changes you would make there too, given

1312
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: that he's just a swimmer. This idea that like some

1313
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: big mammoth motherfucker like this is gonna be able to

1314
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: move and fight, It's like, dude, what the fuck are

1315
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: you talking about? But I'll say this, going back to

1316
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: the Pride days where you had your giant silvas and

1317
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, like crazy guys who had weird physiques and

1318
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: weird looks and everything else that has always been a

1319
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: Ocubona was, Oh he was a Yes, he thought hoys

1320
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: crazy he was. He was legit into sumo obviously, but yes,

1321
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: some guy who looked like some crazy you know, almost

1322
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: like comic book villain or something. There's always going to

1323
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: be a place for them, and there always has been

1324
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: a place with them in combat sports. But it's for

1325
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, the dumbest audience. Let's just be real about that.

1326
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:48,959
Speaker 1: That's who it's. That's who it's really for, the least

1327
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: savvy audience that watched his combat sports. And so, like, dude,

1328
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:58,439
Speaker 1: this was inevitable. This was never gonna go any other

1329
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: way if you lack more like in the way to

1330
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: this fucking guy. Did he cast trouble breathing Danny, I mean,

1331
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: he has trouble fucking breathing. What kind of fighter do

1332
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna be? Probably not a great one.

1333
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: And now he gets to go home after to lose.

1334
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever humiliation he suffered in the shoving match,

1335
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: imagine what he's gonna get now, poor bastard. I actually

1336
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: feel kind of bad for him.

1337
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 2: Say Instagram, because you know they're gonna come after him

1338
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: for sure.

1339
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: What's what's your least favorite part about Instagram? His favorite part?

1340
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: I think it's like probably, I don't know. I would

1341
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 2: say even Twitter is more toxic than Instagram. I don't

1342
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 2: know if Instagram is one of my favorite platforms. Would

1343
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: you say about like the actual content or the actual

1344
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 2: platform itself.

1345
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. I mean more the content.

1346
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: So my least favorite thing are these guys who go

1347
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: to the gym and they do this these circus lifts

1348
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: where like they'll climb some giant apparatus and then they'll

1349
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: do dips, which is fine, but they'll dips would like

1350
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 1: a monster truck tire tied to their hips or something,

1351
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: and they're balancing on the least stable shit imaginable. It's like, dude,

1352
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: I've seen all you motherfuckers who get injured from this.

1353
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: You deserve every bit of it. That shit that this

1354
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: inclination to do stupid circusy shit just for clicks, which

1355
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: is what the Iranian Hulk basically is.

1356
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, for sure.

1357
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: But I would say probably the most annoying thing about

1358
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 2: Instagram and just social media in general, like all these

1359
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 2: like prank videos that like these people pull out that

1360
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: are like clearly faked, that are clearly set up, but

1361
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 2: somehow they blow up and everyone's like tagging everyone, Oh

1362
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: my god, look this is so funny and.

1363
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 3: It's clearly set up.

1364
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 2: Like I would say, like more than half of those

1365
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: prank videos are set up.

1366
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,479
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't know if you've.

1367
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 2: Seen it, Like a guy's walking around and he puts

1368
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: a box over him, and the guys it would.

1369
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 1: You know, like it's a stupid fuck like they're they're

1370
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: at home depot and the box shit and slap him

1371
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: in the ass and being like, hey, why'd you touch me?

1372
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: Like dude, please, Yeah, you're these guys. Well, the good

1373
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: news is, Danny, we may not be able to get this,

1374
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: but there's a decent chance all of those kids or

1375
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 1: guys are gonna win Darwin Awards within you know, five

1376
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: years or less. So take heart that natural selection will

1377
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: weed them from the gene pool, probably sooner rather than later.

1378
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: All right, now, it brings us, by the way to

1379
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: our last and final point here for the top five, Danny,

1380
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 1: which is worst MMA injuries. Let's throw this up on

1381
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: the screen. If you haven't seen this. Boy, do we

1382
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: have an injury for your ass? This is terrible. Now

1383
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: I had the notes here about who this was. Oh, yes,

1384
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: this is Blake Perry. Look at this fucker's nose. Danny,

1385
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: you think it's broken. This happened at A one Combat four,

1386
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: which is actually this is Yuriah Faber show. I believe

1387
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 1: it took place at the Stockton Civic Auditorium in California.

1388
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 1: Easily one of the worst broken noses I've ever seen.

1389
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's Hope there with Mike Perry. For sure.

1390
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: That is gross. That is I saw it on my

1391
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 2: on my Twitter timeline. And the way that ed this

1392
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: was perfectly because they kind of have like the towel

1393
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,040
Speaker 2: over his face and then they just kind of, I

1394
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: do like a big reveal. That thing's is gross. I

1395
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: can't believe they let.

1396
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: Him fight, I know. Did you see the video of

1397
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 1: them putting it back in?

1398
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: No?

1399
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: And I don't want to.

1400
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh, it's fucking awful. It is. And dude, here's the

1401
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: other part too, Like I've had no surgery. I've had

1402
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 1: nasal problems for the last like I don't know, five

1403
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: six years, maybe a little longer than that. You've known

1404
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: that as long as you know me. I've had breathing

1405
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: problems in my nose because I got a bunch of

1406
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 1: damage up in there from years of living like a

1407
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 1: stupid person man trying to sleep or trying to avoid

1408
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,800
Speaker 1: like headaches and like the position you have to like

1409
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: sit when your nose is fucked up. I can only

1410
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: imagine the weeks, probably months of absolute misery he's going

1411
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: to be in even if the nose heels, which, by

1412
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: the way, all the scar tissue and shit is eventually

1413
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: going to have to come out there like that. That's

1414
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: one of the most uncomfortable injuries, even if it's not

1415
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: like you know, it's not life threatening or it's not

1416
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: necessarily career threatening in that way, but like quality of

1417
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: life shit, real bad, real bad.

1418
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, And this was only his second pro fight,

1419
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: And sometimes I like, I know people that are like

1420
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 2: training MMA just for fun, and they'd be like, oh, yeah,

1421
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: I might just do one like bucket list MMA fight

1422
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: is like, dude, I don't know about that, Like unless

1423
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: you're trying to be like a pro fighter and take

1424
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: this shit seriously, like show them that, like, dude, you're gambling,

1425
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 2: you're you're rolling the dice every time.

1426
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: That was his second pro fight. Bro f that how

1427
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: much you think?

1428
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: And hey, you know how much you made for this?

1429
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: Probably a couple grand couple brand.

1430
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I don't. No, dude, I wouldn't.

1431
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: I wouldn't take that for like you have to pay

1432
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 2: me like a million dollars for me to get my

1433
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: notes like.

1434
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: That, yes cash by the way, not like, oh no shit,

1435
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't have to declare to the irs type shit,

1436
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: like I'm taking all what one million of those with

1437
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: me home? All right? So it leads me to the question, Danny,

1438
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: tell me, we watch a lot of violence, you and

1439
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: I and we've been watching a lot of violence together

1440
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: for a long time, right we are. You know, I'm

1441
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 1: an OG in this game, but I feel like you've

1442
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: become one as well. You've been around for a little while. Now,

1443
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: tell me an injury through all of the years of

1444
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: violence that you've watched that kind of stuck with you

1445
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of a fight. I'm talking about some

1446
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: stupid a S car wreck, I mean, in a real fight.

1447
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: What injury really to this day was like, Oh that

1448
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: one was? That one was bad, dude.

1449
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: I think the worst ones have to be like the

1450
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 2: tibia breaks like Chris Wideman Anderson silva.

1451
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 3: Those are by far the worst.

1452
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 2: I mean, they're disgusting, the legs flopping around. I remember

1453
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 2: years ago before that even happened, there was like a

1454
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: really famous kickboxing fight that you would see the highlights

1455
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 2: every now and then float on social media. It's a

1456
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: guy whose leg just wraps around the other guy's leg,

1457
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: almost like if you were kind of using a whip,

1458
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 2: and you just see them fall to the ground and

1459
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: be in so much pain. And then years later we

1460
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 2: saw what happened to Anderson's silva. That to me has

1461
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 2: to be like number one, especially like the one with

1462
01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 2: Chris Widman, were like it snaps and he actually put

1463
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: it back to like plant his weight on it and

1464
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: he just.

1465
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: Kind of collapses. Ah. One gets me all the time.

1466
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 2: I can't I could barely even see it, like you

1467
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 2: see it live and then you're like, nope, I'm not

1468
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: watching that again. But then you always got like the

1469
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 2: Mike Perry one where like the nose is completely destroyed.

1470
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 2: They actually have to remove his bone from his nose

1471
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 2: and now he just has cartilage and he can like

1472
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 2: press his nose flat like I've seen some pretty disgusting shit.

1473
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna that's a pretty bad one too. And then

1474
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: he had to fly home from the rememory. That fight

1475
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: was not like in his backyard. That flight was in Uduguay,

1476
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: so he had to go all the way.

1477
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 2: From piece them.

1478
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 3: Upho's fighting this weekend.

1479
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I'm just saying, man, if you have

1480
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 1: a nose injury or like a face injury where you

1481
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: know the pressure changes can affect like headaches and shit,

1482
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: that's one of the worst fucking ways to go home

1483
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 1: breathing through your mouth. Oh god, fuck all that. It

1484
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: just gives me the hebgb's thinking about it. I'm gonna

1485
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: say the worst injury for me, and it wasn't the

1486
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: one that looked gruesome, like, for example, the one you

1487
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: brought up is a good one where like Silvia gets

1488
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: his leg broken and Corey Hill back in the day

1489
01:08:57,320 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: and the Ultimate Fighter too, or yeah, actually was on

1490
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: the A Fighter but like on one of the Fight

1491
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: night shows. But those are gruesome to like look at there.

1492
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: The ones that kind of stuck with me were the

1493
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: ones that were, like, you talk to the guys afterwards,

1494
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: and the recovery process was you know, months in the

1495
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: in the making. So I'll give you two of them.

1496
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: One when MVP broke literally broke the skull of U

1497
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 1: of Cyborg Santos, right, that was a fucking bad one

1498
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: that I said this at the time, Danny, tell me

1499
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: if you disagree. That is one of those injuries where,

1500
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, like people break their hand pretty routinely and

1501
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: they get cut pret routinely. If people's skulls were breaking

1502
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: that routinely, you couldn't have Mma. It's one of those

1503
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: injuries where if that was something that was regular, the

1504
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: sport would have to be banned.

1505
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure.

1506
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: I mean that is that is that's like close to death, right,

1507
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,520
Speaker 2: Like I I'm not a doctor, but if your skull's collapsing,

1508
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 2: which holds your your fucking brain, Like, dude, that is horrible.

1509
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 3: That is absolutely disgusting.

1510
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 2: That's like that has to be number one injury, right,

1511
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 2: And I can't imagine, like for anybody that's been like injured,

1512
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,400
Speaker 2: I can't imagine like actually like feeling like a giant

1513
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 2: dent in your skull, Like that must be like the

1514
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 2: most like the most stressful, the most worrisome shit ever,

1515
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 2: Like I've had like a hernia. I've had like a

1516
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 2: meniscus stare because of jiu jitsu and that shit sucks.

1517
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 2: But I can't imagine actually having like a freaking hole

1518
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 2: in your forehead.

1519
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 3: That's horrible.

1520
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 2: Also, like your forehead, isn't it supposed to be like

1521
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: the strongest part of your body or something like that.

1522
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: Of your skull. Yeah, I think it's one of them,

1523
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's right. You know, don't they tell

1524
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: you that hunt soccer, you want to head the ball

1525
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: right around where the hairline is like that, that part

1526
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: right there of the crown is typically the strongest. I'm

1527
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: not sure where his was broken, but that one, I

1528
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 1: was like, dude, that is that's real. That's like when

1529
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,839
Speaker 1: a medically like serious in a way. That was alarming.

1530
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: The other one, I'll tell you this one, dude, that

1531
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: that beating that Sage north Cut took to Cosmo al Chandre,

1532
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: that was a bad one. Dude. He shattered his face

1533
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 1: into a fucking like like thano snapped and he's just disintegrated.

1534
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: That's what happened to the bones in his face. Lengthy,

1535
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 1: lengthy process. I think multiple surgeries shit like that, where

1536
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't get the matchmaking, right, you know,

1537
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 1: the matchmakers people like to think the job is easy.

1538
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 1: Action fighter against action fighter. It's a little bit easier

1539
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: in the UFC when you've already got guys who, you know,

1540
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 1: have pretty good chins, pretty durable, pretty talented, come from

1541
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: pretty good camps. Right, You've got a lot of material

1542
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: to work with there that someone at a different level

1543
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: has to make, you know, a little bit more precise calculations. Obviously,

1544
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 1: Sage accepted the fight, so he and his team made

1545
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 1: a miscalculation as well. So it's not just on the matchmakers,

1546
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: but you know, you gotta be honest about that. When

1547
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: the matchmakers fucked that one up, they did, and dude,

1548
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: all of Chandre, I mean, he nearly ended Sage's career. Uh,

1549
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, the fact that he may fight again to

1550
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: this point is I'm gonna say somewhat miraculous. Those are

1551
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: the ones that stick with me.

1552
01:11:58,840 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was about one from uh that's kind of

1553
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: person of that from an interview that I did with

1554
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 2: Riccardo Lamas when he when he fought Kelvin Canner, he

1555
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: suffered a broken job and they had to put titanium

1556
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: plates on his job. I'm a Radio Quick quote quote

1557
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,839
Speaker 2: from the interview that I did uh with Ricardo Lamas

1558
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: and he this is what he says. Quote, my bite

1559
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 2: doesn't feel the same as as it was before. I

1560
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 2: don't think maybe it will ever will. My teeth just

1561
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 2: don't align the way they used to, So it's a

1562
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: little annoying.

1563
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 3: Dude, Like I'm like, are you serious?

1564
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 2: And he would tell me like, oh, there's like this

1565
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 2: clicking sound now, and like my jaw doesn't exactly align. Like, dude,

1566
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 2: these guys like go into the sport and they come

1567
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: out like a different a different person.

1568
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,599
Speaker 1: There's no denying it. Like do you you stay in

1569
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 1: that sport? I mean the fact that Saint Pierre kind

1570
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: of got out, you know, largely intact, is what I

1571
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 1: would say. Largely is you know, the fact that he

1572
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 1: won is amazing. The fact that he can like still

1573
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,679
Speaker 1: have a pretty decent quality of life is the other

1574
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 1: amazing part. If you can win a title, make some

1575
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 1: good money, and come out with your health intact, buddy,

1576
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: that's the trifecta, Right, that's it. You beat the game.

1577
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: If you can do that, you did you you won,

1578
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: But that's very difficult to do.

1579
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, money, health and legacy. If you're able to walk

1580
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 2: out with all of those, Dude, you played the game right,

1581
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 2: You're you're a winner one hundred percent. I mean, I'll

1582
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 2: just mention one real quick. I'm not gonna mention his

1583
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 2: name because this was off camera, but I don't know

1584
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,439
Speaker 2: if this person wants me to mention his name, but

1585
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: it's a famous coach used to be a former fighter

1586
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: and was having neck issues and was telling me that,

1587
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: like basically it was a big reason why he retired

1588
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: because he when he would grop, he couldn't do a

1589
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:43,200
Speaker 2: good grip, and he started noticing like his right side

1590
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 2: of his body go numb because he would go to

1591
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: the gym and try to like lift dumbbells and like

1592
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 2: the dumbbells on his right hand would just roll off

1593
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 2: because he couldn't just do a strong grip. So, yeah,

1594
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: due this sport is brutal.

1595
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: So he so I guess the in that case, his

1596
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 1: central nervous system have been fucked.

1597
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 2: With, I suppose, or maybe it's like a pinch nerve

1598
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: or something. But like he he couldn't make like a

1599
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 2: really hard faced or couldn't wrap a well. And again

1600
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: when he was lifting, like he couldn't really hold onto

1601
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 2: the dumbos. I'm sure there's pt and things to take

1602
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: care of it, but like, that's pretty scary shit, dude.

1603
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: You know, I mean from jiu jitsu. If you can't

1604
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: make a grip, dude, you can't do shit with that thing.

1605
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. You're over. So all right, that's

1606
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:29,799
Speaker 1: it for our top five here. To start the show,

1607
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: Let's do a little game. We're gonna play a couple

1608
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: games here on the light Wednesday. Danny says, we don't

1609
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: have any huge fights this weekend, so let's have a

1610
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 1: little levity in this bitch. Let's play a game that

1611
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: we like to call over under. Let's do it here,

1612
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,640
Speaker 1: bomp out of bomp bump. I think we have a

1613
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 1: graphic for it too. Let's see it there. It is there.

1614
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: It is a little over under. Okay, is that works?

1615
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: We'll read a number out and then Danny's gonna tell

1616
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: us whether he's gonna take the over on that number

1617
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 1: or the under on that number. Now, this one's a

1618
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,680
Speaker 1: little bit unclear, but the number is eighty percent. That

1619
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: is the amount of the If you're thinking about a

1620
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: percentage of things, A fighter says that pisses Dana White off.

1621
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: So when they talk, four out of five things that

1622
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,559
Speaker 1: they say makes him angry are you're gonna take the

1623
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: over or you're gonna take the under.

1624
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 2: I'll take the under. I feel like they Dana has

1625
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: like pretty thick skin. There's certain topics that will irritate him,

1626
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,360
Speaker 2: but more or less, I feel like fighters nowadays try

1627
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 2: to stay away from that. You'll see like the really

1628
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,000
Speaker 2: disgruntled fighters maybe touch up on that, but more or

1629
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: less they stay away from it. And usually the trash

1630
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: talk if it's corny or whatever. If you get guys

1631
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 2: like Henry's a hudo or Kolbe, where Dana's not really

1632
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 2: too fond of what they do, he kind of just

1633
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: brushes that aside.

1634
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 3: I would take the under on that.

1635
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 1: All right. I think it's also less than that. I

1636
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: don't think Dana has thick skin, but I do think

1637
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: that also in general, most fighters are you know, you

1638
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: get the guys like Mark Hunt and who are like

1639
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: fuck everybody, and then you get the guys like Nate

1640
01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: who are on occasion very outspoken, but in general most

1641
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: fighters most of the time they toe the line to

1642
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: be honest with you. So keep that in mind all right,

1643
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: over under. The number is three. The number is three,

1644
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:12,200
Speaker 1: the number of years Amanda Nunez has left in the UFC.

1645
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 1: Are you gonna take the over at four or the

1646
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: under three or less.

1647
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take the under. I think the magic number

1648
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 2: is two here. I think Amanda Nunez was already thinking

1649
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 2: about retiring before. I do think that the Giuliana Pannel

1650
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 2: laws did ignite a fire in her, and she's kind

1651
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: of like, okay, and we saw like a better improved version,

1652
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 2: Like she's clearly taken the sport way more seriously than

1653
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 2: she was maybe in her previous fights. But I don't

1654
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,040
Speaker 2: know if that's gonna last very long. I think she's

1655
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 2: gonna do a couple of big fights, maybe the Valentina

1656
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 2: Shushchenko at some point if Giuliana Penna gets back on

1657
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 2: winning ways a trilogy, but all that will last about

1658
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 2: a couple of years, I think. Tops.

1659
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna take the under as well. Now maybe

1660
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: a little bit more than two, but probably not. I mean,

1661
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: if you think about two, it was that four more fights,

1662
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 1: she had four more camps left. I mean, you know,

1663
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: you never know, it could be one a year or whatever,

1664
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: but you know, give or take probably about two a year.

1665
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: I just don't see her. I don't I just four

1666
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: more times against two. Chevchenko is one you could do.

1667
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 1: They could maybe maybe do a paina trilogy, but I

1668
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 1: don't think there's a lot of market demand for it.

1669
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 1: You know, what the fuck is going on at forty five?

1670
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know. So I guess there'd be like

1671
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: then Aldna fight, which maybe might happen. There's a possibility there.

1672
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 3: And kitlyn Verra are like the two that she hasn't fund.

1673
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: Two other ones. Yeah, and listen and listen. If you're

1674
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: either of those, that's the biggest now of your fucking life.

1675
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: If you're a man in Nunez, that is not the

1676
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: biggest out of your life at all, you know. So. Uh, Now,

1677
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,320
Speaker 1: Dana did say one thing that I think some folks

1678
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: may have dismissed. I don't know how dismissible it is.

1679
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: Let me read the quote to you see what we

1680
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: can do in terms of reaction. This is from Dana postfight. Now,

1681
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: to be clear, Dana did have a lot of positive

1682
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: things to say, but he also said this, and I'm

1683
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: not sure he's entirely wrong. Namely, I think two things.

1684
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: He said, Juliana's tough as nails and her will to

1685
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: win was second to none. She wanted to win. I

1686
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,719
Speaker 1: think as dominant as Amanda was, and she was dominant tonight,

1687
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it was close any way, shape or form.

1688
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,679
Speaker 1: It was a complete shutout. But Dana says she still

1689
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,240
Speaker 1: looked a little gun shy to me, going in against

1690
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: the person who beat you the first time, I could

1691
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 1: see that happening. I mean, it's stupid for me to

1692
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: even say that it was an absolutely dominant performance end quote.

1693
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: Of course, by the way, today is the nine year

1694
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 1: anniversary of aman In Nunas's UFC debut, which is at

1695
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: UFC one sixty three and twenty thirteen against Sheila Gaff,

1696
01:18:35,720 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 1: which she won, of course by TKO of surprise, surprise.

1697
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 1: But Danny any merit in your mind to the idea

1698
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 1: that for as good as she looked, maybe she was

1699
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,160
Speaker 1: a little gunshy.

1700
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually agree with Dana one hundred percent on

1701
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 2: this and my analysis going into this fight, and I'll

1702
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,679
Speaker 2: actually go out and say it, I thought Udjana Pina

1703
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: was gonna win. Was that.

1704
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 3: I think that Noonas was the better fighter.

1705
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 2: But I think that Juana Pagna's toughness in chin was

1706
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 2: gonna take her all the twenty five minutes, was gonna

1707
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: take her through the fight. Amanda Nunas was not going

1708
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: to be able to finish her, and that's exactly what happened.

1709
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,360
Speaker 2: The fight really played out the way I thought that

1710
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,719
Speaker 2: it would. What I didn't expect was Amanda Nuna's cardio

1711
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 2: to hold up. I thought that this was gonna Juana

1712
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 2: Pa was going to make it into a sprint.

1713
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 3: She was going to be winning early, but.

1714
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,280
Speaker 2: The fight was going to come down to cardio versus cardio,

1715
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 2: and we've seen Amanda Nunas sort of fade away in

1716
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,880
Speaker 2: later rounds, so I thought that maybe, you know, Juana

1717
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: Pa was gonna get her ass kicked in the first, second, third,

1718
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 2: maybe fourth or fifth, pick up a stopage win.

1719
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 3: That's the way I thought.

1720
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 2: But a part of what what Amanda Nunas did here

1721
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: was not only half good a cardio, she didn't have

1722
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 2: any issue and sort of make sure, you know, her

1723
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 2: conditioning was on point. But I do think there was

1724
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of fight management, and you saw a

1725
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,599
Speaker 2: lot of times that she had hurt Juriiana Penna, usually

1726
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:57,640
Speaker 2: in her previous fights she would go in there and

1727
01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,000
Speaker 2: and take out the fighter completely. But this time around,

1728
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 2: she knew how tough Juliana Pinia was, and she knew

1729
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,960
Speaker 2: if she really went hand, if she really went killer

1730
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: instinct trying to take her out, maybe there was a

1731
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 2: chance that she would guess out. So I don't think

1732
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 2: she was gun shy. I just think she was better

1733
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: at managing the fight because she still had a pretty

1734
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 2: high output. Is just she kind of made it sure

1735
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 2: to spread that out throughout the fight. That's the way.

1736
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: That's my takeaway from the fight.

1737
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that's wrong at all. I think

1738
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: you're right. And also there's something to be said for

1739
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: like listen, going south Paul in the way she did

1740
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: was clever. It was clever, like it was a and

1741
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: it worked too. You couldn't say it didn't work. It did. However,

1742
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: there's also something and I want to be very clear

1743
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: about this, not cowardly about it, but part of that

1744
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 1: is to disarm Painia. It was to dissuade Painia. There's

1745
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 1: a part of it that is we celebrate for how

1746
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: clever it is and by the way like complicated things

1747
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,360
Speaker 1: can be, that they can be two things simultaneously that

1748
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: the world doesn't work in these perfect neat categories. It

1749
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,439
Speaker 1: is both smart and clever and winning, which is really

1750
01:21:00,479 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 1: the most important part. But also to me, the fact

1751
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: that she didn't really address the things that got her

1752
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 1: in trouble the first time with a dip jab and

1753
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: everything else kind of tells you that there was some

1754
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: lingering concern about it. Like there she was worried about it.

1755
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: So she kind of went to a way that I

1756
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: thought would and it worked slow down Penya for a

1757
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: time and then ultimately create trouble for it. And then

1758
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: she know, she got dropped at gazillion times, but there

1759
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: was there was something built into the strategy, Danny that

1760
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 1: was inherently a shield that was thrown up to protect

1761
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: her and in ways that were somewhat unusual for her.

1762
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: I guess it's the way that I would put that.

1763
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she she definitely I feel like learned and

1764
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people might not want to

1765
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 2: see a trilogy about but I kind of do it.

1766
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 3: Not immediate again, not immediate, But I do think that.

1767
01:21:46,040 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 2: Juliana Penna is one of the fighters that made Amanda

1768
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 2: Nuna's work the most I mean that fight was That

1769
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:55,160
Speaker 2: fight very much reminded me of the fight between Volkanovski

1770
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: and Brian Ortikham, the sense that it was lopsided, but

1771
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: Brian Ortigam made Volkovski work and at some points in

1772
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: time he threatened with like really close obissions, just as Julianabena.

1773
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:06,599
Speaker 3: But yes, it was a one sided beating.

1774
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: I think if Juliana Benya is able to pick up

1775
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: some wins, address a couple things and inspire that she

1776
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 2: can improve and give a little bit of a better

1777
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 2: fight to Amanda Nunez, I'm telling you, when it's a

1778
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 2: sprint and it's cardio versus cardio, I think it could be.

1779
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 2: It could be interesting, but again not immediate, but she

1780
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 2: will have to pick up some wins and show improvement.

1781
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, over under, Danny over under? The

1782
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: number is point five, not five point five. Here's the

1783
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: sort of question as such, the number of pay per

1784
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: views has seem Rockmond Junior will headline throughout the rest

1785
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: of his career. Are you going to take the over

1786
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: at one or higher or the under?

1787
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 3: I think the under.

1788
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 2: You think this fight with Jake Paul happens again, You

1789
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 2: think they rebook it?

1790
01:22:57,640 --> 01:22:59,360
Speaker 1: I think it would take an act of God.

1791
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're gonna go

1792
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 2: and visit something else. And unfortunately, for Rockman Jr. This

1793
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 2: was it. This was his big pay per view, this

1794
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: was his big fight with twelve on one record. I

1795
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:16,920
Speaker 2: don't see him actually fighting the boxers and moving up

1796
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,559
Speaker 2: to a spot where you know, he fights in a

1797
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 2: big paper view.

1798
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, is it possible they could meet again.

1799
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 1: It is possible. It is possible. But this was all,

1800
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: as I said on Monday show, it was all kind

1801
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:34,200
Speaker 1: of rushed because of whatever happened to Tommy Fury, and

1802
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: so they were trying to put it together. It didn't

1803
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: really work. And I don't know that the public has

1804
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 1: a significant appetite to see Hassim Rochmand Junior fight him.

1805
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: Now here's what I thought was gonna happen, Danny. I

1806
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: thought that they again. I said this on Monday Show.

1807
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 1: I can't wait for BC to come back to validate this.

1808
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,439
Speaker 1: I told BC my prediction. My prediction was he was

1809
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: gonna miswait on Friday, the Commission was gonna let it

1810
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 1: go and he was gonna beat Jake Paul. That was

1811
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: my predition. It was all three of those had that

1812
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,840
Speaker 1: happened and he had beaten Jake Paul, depending on how

1813
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: that might have looked, Yeah, there could have been a

1814
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,040
Speaker 1: case for a pretty big rematch there right there. There

1815
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,360
Speaker 1: is a way where that could have gone, where like

1816
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:13,280
Speaker 1: Tyron Woodley, he could have gotten a couple of those

1817
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: out of it. But the way this one fell apart

1818
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: ahead of time, is the public really clamoring for this

1819
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: fight to happen as like the one that has to happen,

1820
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: especially when Nate Diaz is one fight away from being

1821
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: a guy who can just do whatever the fuck he wants.

1822
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: Color me extremely skeptical of that.

1823
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's tons of options. I think Anderson Silva is

1824
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 2: still one of them. They were never gonna get him

1825
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 2: on short notice. Anderson Sola deserves a lot more respect

1826
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 2: and he's definitely not gonna go in there on short

1827
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:44,519
Speaker 2: notice and fight Jake Paul. But now with like with

1828
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 2: this fight off, and now they can actually build one

1829
01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 2: with like a legitimate longer camp.

1830
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 3: I think Anderson Sila's back in that pool as well.

1831
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: Tommy Fury, I think he's always there, even though Jake

1832
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 2: Paul hates on him and says fumble the bag and

1833
01:24:57,000 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: we'll never fight him again, or we'll never get up

1834
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 2: another fight booked again. If they solve the visa issues

1835
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 2: and they're able to get back in the US, I

1836
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 2: think that's a possibility as well. I think Rockmand is

1837
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,639
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the list for a potential fight

1838
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 2: with Jake Paul at this point.

1839
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, all right, Okay, the number is three, three, Danny,

1840
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 1: the number of months until we see Dustin Poirier in

1841
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:24,919
Speaker 1: the octagon again. And by the way, he just tweeted

1842
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: fight news coming soon minutes ago. Three What do you think?

1843
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: I'll take it just about three, so I guess the

1844
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: under I think it'll be a little bit less than

1845
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 2: three or about. I think he's gonna come back pretty soon.

1846
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: And look, things are setting up. If you look at

1847
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 2: the top five of the Lightwood division, all those guys

1848
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 2: are booked except Michael Chandler, So that fights I feel

1849
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 2: like that fight's destined to happen.

1850
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 3: Obviously there's Justin Gage as well, but he just had

1851
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: a no surgery.

1852
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 2: From the guys that are available, Chandler is the only option,

1853
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 2: and Chandler's itching to get back there. I don't know

1854
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: if you've seen his Twitter. He's out there putting like

1855
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: crazy workout videos. That guy is probably one of the

1856
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 2: best athletes, if not the best, at one to fifty five.

1857
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 2: That fight has that happen, and I think it will

1858
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 2: happen before the year's end.

1859
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 1: Completely agreed on all counts, including the workouts of Michael Chandler,

1860
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: which are insane. All right, all right, the number thirty eight,

1861
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: thirty eight, Okay, that's the number. Here is the statement.

1862
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,640
Speaker 1: You're gonna take the over are the under with the

1863
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: number of pro mma wins Andre Arlowski has at the

1864
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: time of his retirement. Now, for folks who don't know,

1865
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: he currently has a thirty four and twenty records, so

1866
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: that would bean four more wins. And by the way,

1867
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 1: he has a fight already lined up August twenty ninth,

1868
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 1: he could have thirty five. So we're saying four more

1869
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: wins before he hangs it up.

1870
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 2: What do you think I'm taking over all of Wow, dude,

1871
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 2: Andrea Alovsky is He's really a marvel. I feel like

1872
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't get the reddit that he deserves because he

1873
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 2: was championed so long ago that.

1874
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 3: People would even forget.

1875
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 2: But the fact that like he's been around the game

1876
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,559
Speaker 2: for so long and has been able to reinvent himself

1877
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 2: go to different gyms. I think that's even I'm not

1878
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:16,000
Speaker 2: comparing it to winning a title, but I think it

1879
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,719
Speaker 2: comes close, like longevity in the game at the top.

1880
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: I mean, you know how hard it is to stay

1881
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 2: at the top with the evolution that this sport brings.

1882
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: Super super impressed. He's developed this style where he doesn't

1883
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: take a whole lot of damage. He's great at managing

1884
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 2: the fight, and he's in great shape. I think he

1885
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: can keep doing this for several years. I see him

1886
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 2: picking up a win here against Lima and picking up

1887
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 2: three more and breaking that.

1888
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 3: I'll take the over, for sure.

1889
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: I've been wrong about Arlovsky in ways I've not been

1890
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 1: wrong about anyone else like I've been uniquely wrong with him.

1891
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna agree with you. I'm gonna take the over.

1892
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: I think he might get to some pretty special numbers.

1893
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Now again, the bottom could drop out. You do recognize

1894
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: it is also possible that at some point this you know, Okay,

1895
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: it's an inevitability there for everyone, the career will come

1896
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:06,600
Speaker 1: to a halt. But what I mean to say is,

1897
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: you know who knows he could suffer an injury and

1898
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: then the whole shit comes apart and God only knows

1899
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: if he gets this number. But his ability to let's say,

1900
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: overachieve in this last part of his career has been

1901
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: I think, nothing short of remarkable. Quite frankly, I can't

1902
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: think of many other guys who occupied you know, he

1903
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: was a champion. He was a champion, and it's still

1904
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 1: kind of hanging on with this unique little blend of

1905
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 1: a game he's got, which is different than he used

1906
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 1: to fight completely.

1907
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. Like reinvention at this point of

1908
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: the game is like fit's mind blowing. You know, certain

1909
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: guys like you can see with Chuck Liddell, like towards

1910
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,920
Speaker 2: the end, like he just wasn't able to change up

1911
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: and you saw him against like I think it was

1912
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 2: Rich Franklin.

1913
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 3: He tried to wrestle a little bit.

1914
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 2: But then he was like, no, I have that, and

1915
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 2: then went wild with the striking dude fighters like Overeen,

1916
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 2: fighters like or Losky that are able to like reinvent

1917
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 2: themselves as late even lolword to Shirah, that to me

1918
01:28:57,640 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 2: is so damn impressive. I'm a huge fan over her

1919
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: low and something also that I like is that you

1920
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: see it with for example, like JDS.

1921
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 3: Like towards the end, the UFC was just giving.

1922
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: Them straight killers, right and God who serial gone curt

1923
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 2: his blades? I mean the guy Derek Lewis, the guy

1924
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 2: was just fighting the very top with Arlosky. I feel

1925
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,439
Speaker 2: like the UFC has a different approach. They like having

1926
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 2: him on cards and they more or less give him

1927
01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 2: like mid tier heavyweights. And I think that's great for

1928
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 2: his longevity. That's gonna allow him to stick around even longer.

1929
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: I would agree with that as well. All right, let's

1930
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: play a game here to close out Wednesday's edition of

1931
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: Morning Combat. We've never done it before. We're gonna try it.

1932
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: We're gonna call it good fan, bad fan. So I'm

1933
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:39,920
Speaker 1: gonna read you a series of statements. These are not

1934
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 1: things that I necessarily agree with. And by the way,

1935
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: I want to be clear about something too, Danny. There's

1936
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: a difference. You would agree. There is a difference between

1937
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: being a good person and a good fan, a good

1938
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: dad and a good dan, a dad someone who's a

1939
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: good fan, a good uh, someone who's financially responsible and

1940
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: a good fan. So keep that in mind. We're not

1941
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 1: asking if you're like the nicest personal role. We're asking

1942
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 1: are you a good MMA fan or are you a

1943
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 1: bad MM fan? If you do the following makes sense. Yep,

1944
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: all right, let's do this. Here we go, Dannis Sigora.

1945
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: Am I a good fan or a bad fan? If

1946
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: I audibly whoo at MMA events?

1947
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:23,680
Speaker 3: Woo?

1948
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:24,559
Speaker 1: Which am I?

1949
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:29,719
Speaker 2: You're either highly intoxicated or you're a terrible MMA fan,

1950
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 2: or a combination of both.

1951
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 3: But no, I'm not for the woo's.

1952
01:30:35,240 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: You get.

1953
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: A good fan sits there and watch the fights, shuts

1954
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: the fuck up, maybe yells when the fight gets crazy,

1955
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:43,560
Speaker 2: but the whole wu, specially of the fight's boring. That

1956
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: to me is like an anti mating call that just

1957
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 2: shouts infertility and bad genes. Not for it.

1958
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 1: It definitely means that you have, you know, genitalia that

1959
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: are totally unfulfilling to any sexual partner you've ever had

1960
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 1: in your life. It's definitely what that means. I would

1961
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 1: also add that, like I think a good fan you

1962
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: can be boisterous and noisy, for sure. Yeah, but like

1963
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, for example, let's talk about this. If you

1964
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 1: go to Ireland and Belletoret does have rocking shows in

1965
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,680
Speaker 1: Ireland UFC two whoever. You know, when the crowd is

1966
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: singing Zombie together in service of something related to the

1967
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: fight in a positive way, good fan. That's a good fan.

1968
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: But to your point, if the actions whatever, and you're

1969
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: just wooing because you're bored or because you want everyone

1970
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: to like look at you, I don't think that makes

1971
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:37,839
Speaker 1: you a good fan. I think you can be loud.

1972
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 1: You got to be loud for a purpose.

1973
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1974
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the woos is the actual noise is the

1975
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: actual you know, call that that just fucks it up.

1976
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can be allowed one hundred percent.

1977
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: Butanova's man, all right, good fan, bad fan.

1978
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I make my significant other watch fights.

1979
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:04,200
Speaker 3: Good good fan. Because I've been there, I think good fan.

1980
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll say this, good fan. You're a good fan. However,

1981
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: if you've been with your like you know, Danny, I'm

1982
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm dude. My ten year wedding anniversary is next month, right,

1983
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, I don't need to make and you've met

1984
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 1: my wife. You know my wife. I don't need to

1985
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: make her watch shit anymore. So I do feel like

1986
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,920
Speaker 1: you can make them do it. But after a little while,

1987
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 1: the proselytization has to stop a little bit fair or unfair.

1988
01:32:33,479 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

1989
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 2: I think it's getting your significant other to start watching

1990
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 2: if they don't like it, Okay, a fair game. But

1991
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 2: you do have a responsibility as a good fan to

1992
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,800
Speaker 2: be like, hey, look this is the good shit. You

1993
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: gotta watch this. You got to give this a shot.

1994
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:48,000
Speaker 2: You got to teach them, Hey, look, this is what's

1995
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 2: going on. This is who he's fighting. This guy's in

1996
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 2: this position. If he wins, this means that that's a

1997
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 2: good fan. If you're trying to introduce your significant other

1998
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 2: to make sort of a power couple MMA power couple.

1999
01:32:58,360 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 2: But if they say no, they don't want to watch MMA,

2000
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. You can't show it down their throats,

2001
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 2: right Like, there's got to be a line. But for sure,

2002
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 2: at least an introductory fight, an introductory event.

2003
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I think you're being a good fan.

2004
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Bro. I lost girlfriends with how many times I tried

2005
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 1: to make them watch MMA. Don't regret it at all.

2006
01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:17,000
Speaker 1: Fuck them, you know what I mean?

2007
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, for sure, especially at least they have

2008
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 2: to tolerate it. You know, there's got to be like

2009
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:24,840
Speaker 2: a low all.

2010
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 1: Right, number three, Good fan, bad fan? I pirate a

2011
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:32,599
Speaker 1: significant amount of MMA events to watch live. Now, listen

2012
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: to the way I worded it. I didn't say everything.

2013
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: I didn't say nothing, but I did say I pirate

2014
01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: a significant amount of MMA fans event excuse me to

2015
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: watch live? Good fan, bad fan?

2016
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 2: I think you're you're a bad fan. I think this

2017
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 2: should be like a low amount, a low amount.

2018
01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: If it's so, what is an acceptable amount of piracy?

2019
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 2: I mean, technically none of it because it's illegal, right,

2020
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 2: But but I do think that Like there's cases, man,

2021
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,560
Speaker 2: like there's a fight and you know you got to

2022
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 2: catch you real quick, all right, whatever do you? Right?

2023
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:11,640
Speaker 2: But like if you're like consistently on a schedule for

2024
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 2: watching fights and you're constantly doing I don't think that's cool.

2025
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 2: And look, if you don't have the money, because it

2026
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:19,519
Speaker 2: is a lot of money, like go to your boys house,

2027
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 2: do a do a little you know, watch party. Everybody

2028
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 2: puts down ten bolts. I think that's doabar, go to

2029
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 2: a bar, go to a bar, get some food.

2030
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 3: There's options for that.

2031
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 2: But if you're out there pirating every fight, or most

2032
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 2: of them at least, I think you're a bad fan

2033
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:35,400
Speaker 2: because if you love MMA and you want to support it, dude,

2034
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:37,120
Speaker 2: you got to buy the paper. Yes, a good chunk

2035
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 2: goes to the promoter, but another one goes to the fighters.

2036
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:42,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I think my attitude is piracy

2037
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: is bad and it's illegal, but it is also inevitable,

2038
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 1: so I'll look the other way on it, in the

2039
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: way you're talking about where if you really don't have

2040
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 1: the financial option anymore and the fight is big enough,

2041
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: not some random like I'm just gonna watch, you know,

2042
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 1: because I'm too cheap to pay for cable or something

2043
01:34:57,840 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 1: like that, but you know something where it's a little

2044
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: hard to get it access to or again, you're working

2045
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: but you only have so much money. Do they do?

2046
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the part about piracy that these MMA

2047
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: promotions just don't seem to realize. In totality, what they

2048
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: ask from their fans in terms of time and money

2049
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: is way more than what other sports ask. It's fucking insane.

2050
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: So like some piracy, Again, it's illegal, and I understand that,

2051
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:24,480
Speaker 1: but they have to know some of it is inevitable

2052
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: given the financial constraints of the world.

2053
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it's expensive to be an MMA fan.

2054
01:35:31,880 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 1: It's fucking stupid. How great. And by the way, like,

2055
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,120
Speaker 1: if you're like us, you know, Danny, I know you

2056
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: watch Boxing two. Yeah, you can say what you want

2057
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: about the design pay per view thing, which by itself

2058
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: is just fucking hilarious. Did you see the price on

2059
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: that fucking pay per view? It's eighty five dollars for

2060
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: Canelo versus Triple G three. Dude, that's fucking When I

2061
01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,519
Speaker 1: first started watching, that was literally double the cost of

2062
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: what you had to pay.

2063
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:56,680
Speaker 2: It's stupid. It's gotten stupid expensive. So uh yeah, I

2064
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 2: understand a little bit of piracy, all right, fine, But

2065
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: but if you're out there like an m A fan

2066
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 2: watching everything constantly, like dude, you got to figure some shit.

2067
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: Out, all right. Number four Good fan, bad fan? At

2068
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: parties or even the workplace, I intentionally bring up MMA

2069
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,960
Speaker 1: just so I can talk about it. Good fan, bad fan.

2070
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 2: I would say that's not even a good fan or

2071
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:24,760
Speaker 2: a bad fan. I would say that's a new fan.

2072
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,760
Speaker 2: I feel like people that have been watching a long

2073
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 2: enough they know not to bring that shit up because

2074
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:31,919
Speaker 2: it's a little weird, right, especially if you're like obsessing

2075
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 2: over it. But you know, man, and I've been there too,

2076
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,760
Speaker 2: like once the like MMA bug gets you, especially early on,

2077
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,640
Speaker 2: and you're just fucking watching fights NonStop and just consuming

2078
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 2: that shit, like sometimes you're a little too passionate and

2079
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,839
Speaker 2: you like, you know, talk to people about parties or whatever.

2080
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I would break the rules in

2081
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,439
Speaker 2: this one. And I would say that's a new fan,

2082
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 2: because bro, I've been there. I'm not gonna say I'm

2083
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 2: better than that.

2084
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: I would agree. I would agree. I think it does

2085
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: reveal not good or bad, but newness. So in a sense,

2086
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: it's actually so here's the thing. It is bad, so

2087
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,720
Speaker 1: to speak, but because it's new, it's forgivable, is the

2088
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,479
Speaker 1: way I would look at that. Right. That's that's it.

2089
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: That seems pretty fair. Okay, let's move along here. Number five,

2090
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:22,240
Speaker 1: good fan, bad fan. I claim to have watched MMA

2091
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: since UFC one good fan, badman.

2092
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 3: Bad fan, bad fan.

2093
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 2: If you claim right, like, if you're out there, like

2094
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 2: you know, puffing your chest like oh you know this

2095
01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 2: and that and you actually haven't, yeah, you're a bad fan.

2096
01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 2: Usually those fans are Usually those fans are even casual.

2097
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, yeah, you know, I've been watching this

2098
01:37:42,760 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 2: shit since they won, Like on them.

2099
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:49,679
Speaker 1: I am just like I I The funniest thing, dude,

2100
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 1: was I used to get callers and they wouldn't even

2101
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: say UFC one, but they would say UFC two. Like

2102
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:56,799
Speaker 1: you know when people get pulled over and the cops

2103
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: like how many beers have you had? And they're like

2104
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,600
Speaker 1: always two, which is like, you know, which is just

2105
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: the idiot's way of confessing the drunk driving because their

2106
01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 1: calculation is quite obvious. They don't want to say one,

2107
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 1: but they don't want to say the exact amount, so

2108
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 1: they kind of hedge it by giving it a little

2109
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 1: bit extra one, But that by itself always gives the

2110
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 1: game away too. UFC two used to be the guys

2111
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:18,439
Speaker 1: who would call into my radio show on Sirius XM

2112
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: who claimed to be watching since again that time and

2113
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,400
Speaker 1: then they would always have complaints about how the fight

2114
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:25,800
Speaker 1: suck and they'd be like when was the last one

2115
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:27,759
Speaker 1: you watched? And like, bro, I haven't watched in years.

2116
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 1: It's like okay, all right, I mean, what are we

2117
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:32,439
Speaker 1: doing here exactly? This doesn't make a lot of sense.

2118
01:38:32,479 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: So to me, I'm going to say, either way you

2119
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: want to slice it, whether you're just trying to flex

2120
01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:40,759
Speaker 1: or you're lying or you know whatever they were in between,

2121
01:38:40,760 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 1: they might be bad fan, bad fan on this IBEU.

2122
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 2: Dude, people have been watching the sport for a long time.

2123
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 2: They don't brag about it. Like it's just like if

2124
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 2: it comes up in a conversation, sure like, oh yeah,

2125
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:51,960
Speaker 2: how long have you been watching it?

2126
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:53,480
Speaker 3: They oh, I actually started.

2127
01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 2: Like X year. But usually like you don't wear that

2128
01:38:56,280 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 2: as a badge of honor, like at least from the

2129
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 2: MMA fans like the good and that I've met, they don't.

2130
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:02,720
Speaker 2: They don't brag about that shit.

2131
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, you know how like the bragging about that,

2132
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 1: it's like, do you know how many years of Saturday

2133
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: nights you've given up with friends to do that?

2134
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2135
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's not the flex you think it is. Hey,

2136
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: yeah number six, Danny number six. Now this one think

2137
01:39:16,760 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: about for a second unless you have like a really

2138
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:24,439
Speaker 1: strong opinion. Good fan, bad fan. I kinda but don't

2139
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: really care about UFC Fighter Pay. I kinda don't really

2140
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:30,800
Speaker 1: care good fan, bad fan.

2141
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 3: I would say bad fan.

2142
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,280
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a sign that you're like a casual, like, yeah,

2143
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck about Fighter Pay. I don't

2144
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 2: give a fuck about these guys like health. Like a

2145
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 2: good fan that actually tunes into the sport. They all

2146
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,760
Speaker 2: want to see these guys make money and be well

2147
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 2: off and be healthy. Shit, they're fucking giving us their

2148
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 2: health for our entertainment. So I think that's a bad fan.

2149
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, I don't know. To me, it's a

2150
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 1: little inconclusive because, like, here's the thing, I would agree

2151
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 1: with you that if you stumbled upon some one like

2152
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 1: you met him and they cared about fighter pay, and

2153
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,479
Speaker 1: they were you know, they were informed about was happening,

2154
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,639
Speaker 1: they had good takes, they were fun to talk about with. Yes,

2155
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 1: that is definitely a good fan. But at the same time,

2156
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: if we're trying to win the fighter pay argument, the fans'

2157
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: interests are heavily aligned with the promoters, sometimes against the fighters.

2158
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,679
Speaker 1: I don't know if winning them over is what we're

2159
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 1: trying to do. We're trying to just win over the

2160
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: power structure and to change it. But like, are we

2161
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:34,960
Speaker 1: really trying to convince fans to care about fighter pay?

2162
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 1: I gotta say, to me, that's not my line in

2163
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: the sand. I actually think you again, I would agree

2164
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,760
Speaker 1: with you somebody who is empathetic, is going to be

2165
01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: a much better fan. But I do think it's possible

2166
01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 1: to be a good fan and not wrapped up in

2167
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: the issue. Am I crazy? No?

2168
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:51,920
Speaker 3: I think that's fair.

2169
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 2: And look, I'm not saying like be out there like

2170
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 2: campaigning and boycotting the UFC and this and that, But

2171
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 2: I think just being in gener of like, hey, being

2172
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 2: aware of the situation and you know, being happy for fighters,

2173
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,320
Speaker 2: you know, making money, making the making the bread. You

2174
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like fans that

2175
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 2: have that mentality, I think those are good fans.

2176
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 1: All right, I'll got a few more of these. Here

2177
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: we go. Good fan, bad fan. I've watched every mm

2178
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 1: A movie, and I think that Warrior is genuinely representative

2179
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:25,760
Speaker 1: and good good fan, bad fan.

2180
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 2: I would actually say that's I'm not a big fan

2181
01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 2: of m A movies, but I would say that's a

2182
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:37,240
Speaker 2: good fan. Tell me why, because I don't know.

2183
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:39,160
Speaker 3: That just shows that you're like passionate.

2184
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 2: And I would say that Warrior is probably the better

2185
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 2: mm A movie, and you know that standard is pretty low,

2186
01:41:46,360 --> 01:41:49,800
Speaker 2: but overall, like MMA movies just are pretty shit.

2187
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:50,719
Speaker 3: They suck.

2188
01:41:51,080 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 2: Boxing movies, on the other hand, there's a few that

2189
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 2: are actually pretty damn good. So yeah, this one, I'm

2190
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:02,760
Speaker 2: a little bit split, but yeah, maybe good all right, I.

2191
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Would agree with good. I don't think MM movies are

2192
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: very good. I think Warrior has definitely some good performances

2193
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:10,479
Speaker 1: in it, and Nulty kills it and Tom Hardy.

2194
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,639
Speaker 2: Kills it to Tom Marty's a great actor.

2195
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: Tom Hardy is a beast I got. I mean, you're

2196
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:16,920
Speaker 1: not gonna hear me. You're not gonna hear Tom Hardy

2197
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: slander on this show. He's a great actor. But the

2198
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:25,040
Speaker 1: movie itself was like it was, okay, here comes the boom?

2199
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:29,160
Speaker 1: Was you know, here comes the boom?

2200
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad those fighters got paid on that on

2201
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:37,240
Speaker 2: that movie. But other than that, it's species.

2202
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: It's BC species all right. Number eight. We got ten

2203
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 1: of these totals, so just three more good fan, bad fan.

2204
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:49,480
Speaker 1: I secretly love watching injury highlights or growing strike replays

2205
01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: from big fights. Good fan, bad fan.

2206
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,639
Speaker 2: I feel like that you're either a psychopath and if

2207
01:42:55,640 --> 01:43:02,840
Speaker 2: he's just the growing strike replays, that you're an MK fan. Yes, yes,

2208
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:03,680
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

2209
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: Yes. First of all, if you like watching dudes get

2210
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: hitting the balls for sure you're an MK fan number one. Secondly,

2211
01:43:10,640 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: I'm calling bullshit on you, Danny. Dude, we have seen

2212
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 1: injury highlights. Go. We just talked about his motherfucker's nose

2213
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: on the side of his face. Dude, I think good

2214
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,719
Speaker 1: fans they can't. There's a part of them that also

2215
01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: is repulsed by a natural human reaction. But those things

2216
01:43:26,280 --> 01:43:29,760
Speaker 1: go viral for a fucking reason. It's because it's because

2217
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 1: hardcore fans know that. You know this. It's not just

2218
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 1: the amount of MMA injuries, it's the unique, weird, bizarre

2219
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:38,760
Speaker 1: nature of them that happens in MMA. I think you're

2220
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: actually a good because listen, here's what I said. I

2221
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:44,200
Speaker 1: didn't say that you proudly brag about it. That would

2222
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,719
Speaker 1: be weird. The guy who's like, I love watching people

2223
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: get fucking maimed, but you know, secretly you kind of

2224
01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:52,679
Speaker 1: dialing that one back and watching the gift and rotation.

2225
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, Danny, I don't know.

2226
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we all love seeing people getting knocked out. Right,

2227
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:04,000
Speaker 2: you can consider that an injury, right, like a good cushion. Yeah,

2228
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 2: you're right, you're right.

2229
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 1: If it's like, if it's like a sad injury, then

2230
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily, you know, I don't mean that altogether. There

2231
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,479
Speaker 1: are obviously, like the cyborg one when he falls and

2232
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 1: holds his forehead. You're like, uh oh, but there can

2233
01:44:18,240 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 1: be cases of it, cases of it where it does happen,

2234
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:24,679
Speaker 1: all right. Number nine, good fan, bad fan. I think

2235
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,439
Speaker 1: Connor McGregor's I shit on bus, but the thing he

2236
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,000
Speaker 1: kept saying to habib Or Colby Covington's nerds and virgins

2237
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:34,800
Speaker 1: jokes are legitimately funny. Good fan, bad fan.

2238
01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:37,599
Speaker 2: See, I'm split on this one because I do feel

2239
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 2: like there's a difference between Connor and Kolby.

2240
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:43,280
Speaker 1: Yes, the question is unfair. I'm not saying it's a

2241
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 1: fair question.

2242
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with good fan, man,

2243
01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 2: because this is part of the sport, right, like the

2244
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,920
Speaker 2: trash talk, the going you know, towards the line and

2245
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:00,559
Speaker 2: sometimes navigating those weird waters like you don't see it

2246
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 2: anywhere else, and whether you like it or not, it

2247
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:07,640
Speaker 2: is part of it. And uh, you know, fancied it up,

2248
01:45:07,720 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 2: fancied it up, I would say.

2249
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:09,559
Speaker 3: Good fan.

2250
01:45:10,920 --> 01:45:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say good fan. I'm gonna say good fan.

2251
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Now you might have the sense of humor of you know,

2252
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: someone who's been hitting the head with a tire iron

2253
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:22,920
Speaker 1: for a solid year. But we're not asking whether you

2254
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 1: have a good sense of humor. We're asking whether you're

2255
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:26,559
Speaker 1: a good MMA fan. I actually feel like it would

2256
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,719
Speaker 1: fit more into the latter, all right, last but not least.

2257
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:30,640
Speaker 1: This one's a bit of a layup, but I just

2258
01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 1: had to include it because I'm trying to think of

2259
01:45:32,160 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: cliche things that fans say or kind of believe or

2260
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:40,839
Speaker 1: what comes up. Good fan, bad fan. I definitely believe

2261
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 1: that by watching MMA but never having trained, I could

2262
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 1: still beat up most people on the street. Good fan,

2263
01:45:50,360 --> 01:45:51,000
Speaker 1: bad fan.

2264
01:45:52,479 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go. I feel like that's most fans, to

2265
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,200
Speaker 2: be honest, but I'm gonna go with bad fan. Dude.

2266
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,680
Speaker 2: I feel like people that really want to make kind

2267
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:04,120
Speaker 2: of have a reality check of like, yo, you know

2268
01:46:04,240 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 2: these people are certainly like some other level. They're not me.

2269
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,040
Speaker 2: But I would say, dude, most people that like watch

2270
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 2: MMA feel like, hey, I feel like I can kind

2271
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:14,200
Speaker 2: of do this, So I don't know. I'm kind of

2272
01:46:14,240 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 2: split on this when I feel like it those percent

2273
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 2: MMA fan base, but I don't necessarily think it's a

2274
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 2: good part.

2275
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: I definitely think it makes you. I definitely feel like

2276
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: it makes you a bad fan or you know, well,

2277
01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: you know what, yeah, bad fan, bad fan, because if

2278
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 1: you watch MMA long enough, this instinct should get weeded out, right,

2279
01:46:38,880 --> 01:46:40,519
Speaker 1: so it could be going back to the other one

2280
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,360
Speaker 1: where it could be newer fan, you know, versus matter good.

2281
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 3: I would say casual.

2282
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 2: I would say casual definite.

2283
01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 1: Casual definite, Like, but the kind of casual where you watch,

2284
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:52,880
Speaker 1: you watch fairly regularly, but you don't watch enough to

2285
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: know like, oh, yeah these are This is a totally

2286
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: different thing. Like watching it doesn't mean shit, you know,

2287
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,800
Speaker 1: you eventually get to that. But this is the kind

2288
01:47:00,840 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 1: where it's like, yeah, man, I see these guys. Those

2289
01:47:03,720 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: guys and by the way, those are the same ones

2290
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: that also go back to the water cooler and it's like, hey,

2291
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 1: you see the fights this past weekend, blah blah blah,

2292
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 1: and just making it all about them that they're connected.

2293
01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 1: They're connected.

2294
01:47:13,720 --> 01:47:14,800
Speaker 2: No, yeah, one hundred percent.

2295
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, that is it for our show today, Danny.

2296
01:47:20,040 --> 01:47:23,200
Speaker 1: If folks want to get more of the Danny Segura experience,

2297
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: what can they do? How can they find the tremendous work.

2298
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,799
Speaker 1: By the way, I should point this out in English.

2299
01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 1: In Spanish, I watch your videos in Spanish more often

2300
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 1: than I do in English at this point, in part

2301
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:36,960
Speaker 1: because I'm trying to work on that. You know, it's

2302
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: my Spanish as shit, but I can listen to you

2303
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: and get better, and in part because I feel like

2304
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 1: you get I've told you this before. I think when

2305
01:47:44,920 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 1: you talk to the Spanish speaking fighters, you get a

2306
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 1: little bit more of their personality when they're speaking in

2307
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,639
Speaker 1: their native language. So either way, where can folks get

2308
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:53,280
Speaker 1: some of your stuff?

2309
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, you can find my English work over

2310
01:47:56,280 --> 01:47:58,879
Speaker 2: at and you can follow me on all social media's

2311
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 2: at Danny Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, and if you're interested in

2312
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:05,840
Speaker 2: Spanish work, whether you're a Spanish speaker or want to

2313
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 2: get better in Spanish, dude, you have no idea how

2314
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 2: many people have reached out like I've been trying to

2315
01:48:09,680 --> 01:48:12,280
Speaker 2: get better at Spanish and because I love MMA like

2316
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,120
Speaker 2: your content is like perfect for that. So if you

2317
01:48:15,160 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 2: want content in Spanish, head over to Avelemo's MMA in YouTube.

2318
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 2: You can find it all over my Twitter as well

2319
01:48:22,240 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 2: if if you don't can't type in the name.

2320
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you want Spanish content.

2321
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 2: Check out Amos MMA on YouTube and interviews analysis whatever

2322
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:29,720
Speaker 2: you want.

2323
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,600
Speaker 1: Oh, we do have one last piece of news to

2324
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:34,120
Speaker 1: react to. I don't want to forget this because Bell

2325
01:48:34,200 --> 01:48:37,839
Speaker 1: Tour announced this live during the show. Danny Belltour announced

2326
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 1: Patricio Pitbull versus Adam Borich for October October. First for that, well,

2327
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 1: I guess that title fight at one forty five. And

2328
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:50,960
Speaker 1: then AJ McKee very quickly, just give me a reaction.

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Speaker 1: AJ McKee is going to stick around and fight Spike Carlisle.

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Speaker 1: Who got to tell you that is close to being

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Speaker 1: a mismatch. Your your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not too thrilled on the Spike Carli a guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember him in the UFC, like he's

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Speaker 2: all right, He's like an athletic dude. But AJ should

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Speaker 2: beat his ass here, to be honest. The Boridge Pitbull fight, dude.

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Speaker 2: I love Borich some Santaforde America Kilcliff. Actually nowadays Adam

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Speaker 2: Borch is an absolute stud and we know what pit

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Speaker 2: will bring, so that fight's actually amazing.

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Speaker 3: I love that title fight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Pitbull versus Borich. Interesting to see McKee

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Speaker 1: against Carlisle, I'll tell you this McKee should not lose that.

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Speaker 1: If he does, that would be quite bad. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll save some of that for Friday's more fuller analysis. Danny,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me on. Remind folks,

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Speaker 1: some merch. I guess we're gonna say, are we doing

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Speaker 1: fan subs? Are we gonna save that for next week? Right,

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Speaker 1: we'll save it for next week. We'll save it for

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Speaker 1: next week. So we'll do fan subs and dead wrong

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Speaker 1: a little bit later. But you can always reach the

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Speaker 1: show Morning Combat. You can see the email right there

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat at gmail dot com. The producers will take

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Speaker 1: a look at it, all right, Danny, great job this week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining me. Check out Danny's

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Speaker 1: work at Ablamos MMA and then of course MMA Junkie

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Speaker 1: as well. For all the English speaking stuff, it's great

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Speaker 1: no matter what language it is in. I appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Have a great time there in Sunday, South Florida.

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Speaker 1: We will have you back on soon and for Malka Showtime, CBS,

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Speaker 1: Sports BC, he'll be back next week. Thank you all

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Speaker 1: so much for watching. We'll talk to you on Friday,

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Speaker 1: and until then, may all of your gains be loyal