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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are doing an

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Speaker 1: extra podcast on the disappearance of Susanne Morphew because there's

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Speaker 1: so much evidence happne. So developing very quickly to Chris

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Speaker 1: McDonough and Mike King, what have we missed? Chris, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: So and Saw I have a fun conversation with Jane

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Speaker 1: Mormon and the family. And this is kind of what

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Speaker 1: one of the red flags that really kicked Andy into

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Speaker 1: gear to put this church together. So a call essentially

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Speaker 1: was this very called Jeane shortly thereafter Susanne's smissing and

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Speaker 1: he says, and I quote because I wrote it down.

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Speaker 1: He says, Jean, you know I loved your daughter. Past tense,

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Speaker 1: he says, it doesn't look like she's coming back, but

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Speaker 1: I need you to sign off some guardianship paperwork and

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Speaker 1: Jean's option and says, what do you mean you loved

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Speaker 1: my daughter? And that was really a huge red flag

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Speaker 1: for the Mormon family that kind of kicked him into gear.

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Speaker 1: And at that time he was looking to have some

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Speaker 1: gartnership paperwork signed off by teen declaring her dead, and

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't do it. So this is barrymoreph you calling

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Speaker 1: the mom or the dad of Susanne mom is deceased.

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Speaker 1: Nancy dad is living fighting cancer. The eighty seven year

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Speaker 1: old father. When was that phone call? May I ask

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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonnaugh so English within two weeks after her disappearance.

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Speaker 1: He didn't remember the exact date, but it was during

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Speaker 1: the time he was trying to get a guardnership where

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Speaker 1: one of the other daughter I believe retain an attorney

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Speaker 1: and at some point I believe guardianship was shilling to

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Speaker 1: the daughter would subsequently now has resulted in the ability

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Speaker 1: to show the home. Guys, we were talking about a

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Speaker 1: lot of developments in a Susanne Morephe search. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirty five Andy Morman, and this

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Speaker 1: is Suzanne's brother speaking to our friend doctor Phil. We

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Speaker 1: found the bicycle at the bottom of a Roupne and

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Speaker 1: my brother in law's a really good hunter and an

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Speaker 1: expert tracker, and he thought that maybe Susanne had ridden

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Speaker 1: over the side of that got an injured, disorientated and

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Speaker 1: fallen into the river, and or a bobcat had attacked her. Well,

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Speaker 1: I stood on that bank of that road and I

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Speaker 1: looked down and I thought to myself, No, that didn't happen.

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Speaker 1: There's no blood trail, and if I had ridden a

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Speaker 1: bike over there, it would have been prettalized and my

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Speaker 1: knuckles would have been amburgerized. So no blood, no things

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Speaker 1: of that nature. So I told him, must have very Look,

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Speaker 1: she didn't get taken by a puma. The no mountain

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Speaker 1: line involved here. He actually like he didn't want to

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Speaker 1: hear about but he finally came to the realization that

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Speaker 1: everybody else realized that didn't happen. You know, I can't help,

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Speaker 1: but ask Ellen colorin Crime online dot Com investigative reporter,

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Speaker 1: why is the brother leading the search for Susanne Morphy?

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Speaker 1: Why is it the brother and not the husband? Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I have the same question, not only that, not only

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Speaker 1: why is the brother the one who's the public facing

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Speaker 1: Let's find Susanne Morphey versus husband. Why now? What happened?

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Speaker 1: It's been five months since she vanished. We didn't hear

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Speaker 1: from any of Susanne's family members for the first few

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Speaker 1: months of the investigation, except for the nephew, who has

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Speaker 1: gone completely radio silent since the first weeks she was missing.

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Speaker 1: What made Andy Morman now decide to launch a large

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Speaker 1: scale volunteer search of the same area that investigators had

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Speaker 1: already covered. And why is he now signaling that he

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Speaker 1: might not be on the same page as investigators. What

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Speaker 1: should we interpret from that? I would really like to

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Speaker 1: ask him, what change? Why now? What about it my

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Speaker 1: king profiling evil dot com? Why now with Mormon? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to us, and we were so proud of

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Speaker 1: him for stepping up and doing something that hadn't been

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Speaker 1: done locally. We have the same question that you have.

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Speaker 1: We used the example of Elizabeth smartcase and Ed Smart

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Speaker 1: who was immediately looked at as a potential suspect in

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Speaker 1: front of the press saying, help me find my daughter.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why people do things that they do,

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Speaker 1: but I do like to look at behavior, and that

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Speaker 1: seems odd to me that a brother has to come

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Speaker 1: up three months later when he finds out that according

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Speaker 1: to him that polygraphs were refused and voice stress was

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Speaker 1: my own hands. And we were just so proud to

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Speaker 1: be able to step up and provide support to him

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Speaker 1: when he called us. Climb Stories with Nancy Grace speaking

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Speaker 1: of the brother Andy Mormon. Take listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: forty two. It's Andy on KDVRTV Morning show. A backted Saturday,

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Speaker 1: not Sunday. I don't think she ever got on her bicycle.

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Speaker 1: If you want the truth of the matter, I expect

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Speaker 1: that she was killed and hidden somewhere in the mountains

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Speaker 1: talked to him? What's the relationship there? I have not

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Speaker 1: talked to him. He was invited into the search by

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Speaker 1: Profiling Evil and he did not respond. We ran into

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Speaker 1: him yesterday and he was out hanging trail cams with

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Speaker 1: you know, hey, you're about to step on private property.

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Speaker 1: So we turned around and went back. We did uncover

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Speaker 1: some things on that mountaintop close to the home yesterday

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Speaker 1: that are being processed by CBI and the Sheriff's department,

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Speaker 1: and we hope to find more today. Do you think

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Speaker 1: anyone would want to hurt Susanne? No, I really don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid this is domestic abuse. To be honest with

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Speaker 1: you again, no one has been named a suspect. To

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Speaker 1: Mike King on Profiling Evil dot Com, do I understand

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Speaker 1: Andy Mormon, this is Suzanne's brother, to say he was

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Speaker 1: out leading a search that he found items on the

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Speaker 1: top of a mountain that had been handed over to

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Speaker 1: the CBI called Audiberi investigation, and that during the search

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Speaker 1: they ran into Barrymorephy, the husband who directed them, warned

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Speaker 1: than that they were getting on private property and were

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Speaker 1: turned away. That was the report that we received from

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Speaker 1: Andy directly, and he had first had knowledge of that.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that was impressive about that was that Andy,

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Speaker 1: because of the organized search that he put together, there

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Speaker 1: were like seven hundred people over the course of five

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Speaker 1: days that showed up to search for this guy. That

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Speaker 1: they uncovered pieces of evidence and had people come forward,

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Speaker 1: that testimony was provided and those witnesses were provided to

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Speaker 1: law enforcement as well as several pieces of evidence that

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Speaker 1: they passed on. And so you know, some people who

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Speaker 1: have suggested, well, maybe it wasn't a successful search, and

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Speaker 1: from our perspective, not only did it help Andy with

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Speaker 1: with doing everything he could possibly do, but they uncovered

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Speaker 1: things that law enforcement came out and secured scenes and

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Speaker 1: idea what were the items recovered Mike, Yeah, we do, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and we were asked not to share that, and so

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Speaker 1: that was passed on and law enforcement took that over

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Speaker 1: an item, a personal item near the scene. What item

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Speaker 1: was that, Mike. We've heard all kinds of different speculation,

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Speaker 1: I think somewhere along the line I heard that the

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Speaker 1: was discovered, but frankly, we just don't know. Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to our cut forty five. This is Lauren Sharp

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Speaker 1: Fox twenty one for the first time, responding to allegations

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Speaker 1: There is nothing that I'm hiding. I have given three

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Speaker 1: thirty hours of testimony to the FBI and the CBI.

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Speaker 1: I've answered every question, every single question. Private investigator Dan Corcentino,

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Speaker 1: was a former Pueblo County sheriff and Fountain Police chief says,

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Speaker 1: even if a person is asked to submit to a polygraph,

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Speaker 1: it could be reasonable for that person to refuse. A

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Speaker 1: investigator may offer a polygraph only to have the subject

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Speaker 1: knowing the polygraph is not admissible in a courtroom. So therefore,

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Speaker 1: what's the use of taken it. Also during our call,

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Speaker 1: Berry explained what he called an inconsistency with one timeline

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Speaker 1: in what he told investigators. Quote, it was only because

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Speaker 1: I didn't know the time that I did something a

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Speaker 1: mechanical thing to my Bobcat. I was confused and I

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Speaker 1: he been asked to take a polygraph? Law enforcement has not,

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Speaker 1: you know, confirmed that with us. But I mean I've

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Speaker 1: have been asked to take a polygraph. What about it?

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Speaker 1: Chris mcdonna, profiling evil dot Com. Has the husband been

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Speaker 1: asked to take a polygraph? Yeah? You know, And Andy's

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Speaker 1: whole a very interesting statement from Andy when he showed

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Speaker 1: that with Mike and I he made it. His comment

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Speaker 1: was the CVI had told them that he refused to

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Speaker 1: take a poly and a CVSA. Now only a cop

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Speaker 1: would have said CVSA, because Andy asked me, what is

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Speaker 1: a CVSA, which is a computer voice personnelis test when

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Speaker 1: he was basically the sister to the polygraph. So when

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Speaker 1: can't stress enough that there is no suspect name and

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Speaker 1: that Barrymorephe insists that he is innocent. The house is

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Speaker 1: now up for sale. We'll see what happens with that.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalls. Fancy Grace Crime Story Signing off,

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Speaker 1: gidbye I said