1
00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hi friends,

2
00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,319
Speaker 1: Our guest today is someone who has shaped history in

3
00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,560
Speaker 1: ways we know and in so many ways we don't.

4
00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,360
Speaker 1: Who I am just so absolutely enamored by she joined

5
00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,760
Speaker 1: me on the podcast today. I absolutely told her I

6
00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,160
Speaker 1: have a big, fat feminist crush on her. Today's guest

7
00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,640
Speaker 1: is none other than Miss May Crier, an original Rosie

8
00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,559
Speaker 1: the Riveter. May worked at Boeing Aircraft in Seattle from

9
00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,440
Speaker 1: nineteen forty three to nineteen forty five, producing B seventeen's

10
00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,360
Speaker 1: and B twenty nine's. She worked along gold star mothers

11
00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,360
Speaker 1: that had lost sons, widows that had lost husbands, and

12
00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,000
Speaker 1: every woman who showed up to work on those factors

13
00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,240
Speaker 1: lines and help defend our country during World War Two.

14
00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959
Speaker 1: To sit and talk to May about what it was

15
00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,560
Speaker 1: like at just seventeen to understand the threats of fascism

16
00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,560
Speaker 1: and to want to stand up for her country left

17
00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,480
Speaker 1: me almost breathless. And the way that she has spent

18
00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,200
Speaker 1: the rest of her life, through decades and generations of

19
00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:26,560
Speaker 1: social change and progress, to stand up for women and

20
00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,480
Speaker 1: advocate for our inclusion in history books and in the

21
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,000
Speaker 1: halls of Congress. And even in the seat of the

22
00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,360
Speaker 1: Vice President. I am just utterly blown away by her.

23
00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880
Speaker 1: And just last month, May and the other rosies received

24
00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,600
Speaker 1: the Congressional Gold Medal for their service to the country,

25
00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:49,360
Speaker 1: and ough I could just cry. She is just the greatest, guys.

26
00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,720
Speaker 1: So let's hear from this incredible woman about how our

27
00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,000
Speaker 1: history is really not that old and what she thinks

28
00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:08,840
Speaker 1: we have left to do. How are you.

29
00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine now.

30
00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,800
Speaker 1: About you, I'm wonderful it is. It's truly just such

31
00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,840
Speaker 1: an honor to meet you. Thank you so much for

32
00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:17,840
Speaker 1: joining me today.

33
00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,680
Speaker 2: Thank you long to meet you. Well.

34
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,600
Speaker 1: I was reading about your story recently. I saw the

35
00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,600
Speaker 1: articles about you, you know, getting the Congressional Gold Medal,

36
00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,360
Speaker 1: and I just I immediately sent them to everybody on

37
00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,119
Speaker 1: the team at the podcast, and I said, please tell

38
00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,280
Speaker 1: me we can get her. We've got to get me.

39
00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,960
Speaker 2: Thank you. That's such a nice honor. I've worked for

40
00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:51,000
Speaker 2: forty years to get women recognized and now now I'm working.

41
00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,240
Speaker 2: I'm just so proud of what you women are doing

42
00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,640
Speaker 2: and our young girls, and I just don't I'm just

43
00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,440
Speaker 2: like I said, We're just so proud we opened doors.

44
00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,359
Speaker 2: You are the women who are doing it, and we're

45
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,280
Speaker 2: so proud of you. I mean, you can't believe what

46
00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,560
Speaker 2: that makes us feel like when we've seen our ladies

47
00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,079
Speaker 2: sleeping in honor the way you do.

48
00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,360
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so that's so special. Thank you. You know

49
00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,520
Speaker 1: the way I think about it, you you ladies are

50
00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,520
Speaker 1: the ones whose shoulders we stand on because you're to

51
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,680
Speaker 1: your point. They didn't want to open the doors for us,

52
00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,040
Speaker 1: and you all were like, hey, get up here, we're

53
00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,040
Speaker 1: going to go through the window.

54
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,280
Speaker 2: But you know, we did it at a time when

55
00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,919
Speaker 2: we just honored our country with a totally different time

56
00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360
Speaker 2: in our life. Yeah, when we're two was declared every man,

57
00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,880
Speaker 2: woman and child just stepped up and did what was necessary.

58
00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,880
Speaker 2: It wasn't my job or your job. It was our job,

59
00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,240
Speaker 2: our job, and we're very successful. So now when we're

60
00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,440
Speaker 2: getting this Congressional gold medal, I'm just so proud, I

61
00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,440
Speaker 2: said Jan. It has taken a lot of years, but

62
00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,720
Speaker 2: they finally wondered us, and now we're going down in history.

63
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,960
Speaker 2: It's so it's not amazing.

64
00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,040
Speaker 1: It's so special. Wow. Well, I want to I want

65
00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,120
Speaker 1: to hear all about what's happening now, and I definitely

66
00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,440
Speaker 1: want to hear about you, know, your journey and service,

67
00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,280
Speaker 1: but normally with my guests, I like to go back

68
00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,560
Speaker 1: even a little bit farther, because you know, folks who've

69
00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,040
Speaker 1: read about you know that you to your point, you

70
00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,520
Speaker 1: were part of the community that defended our country. You know,

71
00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,720
Speaker 1: you women stepped up in really history making ways, and

72
00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,719
Speaker 1: you've continued advocating for women for the last forty years

73
00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,800
Speaker 1: and really ensuring that you know, this group you were

74
00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,400
Speaker 1: a part of gets its due. I think of you

75
00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,640
Speaker 1: as this trailblazer and history maker and spunky lady who

76
00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,719
Speaker 1: I just have, you know, such a feminist crush on.

77
00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:48,159
Speaker 1: But I'm really curious if you were to look back

78
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:52,800
Speaker 1: and rewind, even before seventeen when you went to build

79
00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:57,000
Speaker 1: fighter planes, if we met you as a little girl,

80
00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, miss may At, I don't know, let's say,

81
00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,800
Speaker 1: eight or nine or ten years old. Were you spunky

82
00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,360
Speaker 1: and bold and outspoken? What was your life when you

83
00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,760
Speaker 1: were a little gal.

84
00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,479
Speaker 2: I was the determined person. I was more less a tomboy.

85
00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,000
Speaker 2: I didn't let things stop me. I just thought I

86
00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,120
Speaker 2: enjoyed life. Now, during that decade of our life, that

87
00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,240
Speaker 2: was a dustball, a great depression to stop.

88
00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,040
Speaker 1: And Where did you grow up?

89
00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,320
Speaker 2: I grew up in North Dakota and it was a

90
00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,880
Speaker 2: very very great time of that was a fourth I think,

91
00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,080
Speaker 2: the probably the worst decade in our history because we

92
00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,440
Speaker 2: had all of these things at one time. The only

93
00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,200
Speaker 2: good thing I came out of that decade is my

94
00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,320
Speaker 2: mother got the right to vote, and I think that's amazing.

95
00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,480
Speaker 2: I should have never taken that long for women and

96
00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:54,080
Speaker 2: get the right to vote. Yes, ma'am, that angers this too, Yeah,

97
00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,280
Speaker 2: oh yeah, but no, I like I loved life. I've

98
00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,000
Speaker 2: always loved life. Well, I guess you know. It just

99
00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,760
Speaker 2: made the most of wherever, whatever you are or whoever

100
00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,400
Speaker 2: you are. I think that's important.

101
00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, in North Dakota at the time, were you were

102
00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,880
Speaker 1: you in a city or were you out in a

103
00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,200
Speaker 1: more rural like you know, farming part of the country.

104
00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,480
Speaker 1: What was what was your surrounding area?

105
00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,000
Speaker 2: Oh? No, very small town, very small along in those

106
00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,800
Speaker 2: days would be about eight or ten miles there would

107
00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,839
Speaker 2: be a small town roughly around a thousand people or

108
00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,320
Speaker 2: maybe a little more, a little less. But that was

109
00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,680
Speaker 2: a way of life back then. You know, at that

110
00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,200
Speaker 2: time Lecktrick was just coming in things like that with

111
00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,680
Speaker 2: such a benefit for after what we'd gone through in

112
00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,320
Speaker 2: the twenties, and a thing first start a little right

113
00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,440
Speaker 2: but no reason life. And I still do even at

114
00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,520
Speaker 2: my age. I still even though I, like I said,

115
00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,039
Speaker 2: I can, I'm slowing down. Nature's making taking care of that,

116
00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,840
Speaker 2: but I'm still working hard for young women and young

117
00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,440
Speaker 2: women like you, young girls. I talk to young girls

118
00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:11,280
Speaker 2: in school. They don't realize what they're capable of. They

119
00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,320
Speaker 2: think the boys sitting next to him, you can do

120
00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,840
Speaker 2: it better. And I make them realize that the doors

121
00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,520
Speaker 2: are open for women now. You can do anything you

122
00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,840
Speaker 2: want if you want to be carpender, if you want

123
00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,640
Speaker 2: to be the president's I'm not sure that you could

124
00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,080
Speaker 2: get to be president right now, but at least the

125
00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,920
Speaker 2: door's open, you know once look at the women in politics.

126
00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,080
Speaker 2: I just love it. Well last election of seeing how

127
00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,680
Speaker 2: many women were elected, I just jump jumped up and cheered.

128
00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. And what a cool thing it

129
00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,560
Speaker 1: must be for you to be able to watch, you know,

130
00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,600
Speaker 1: us getting more representation in Congress, in the Senate. And

131
00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,520
Speaker 1: to your point, you are you seeing this happening now

132
00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:58,280
Speaker 1: and then remembering when when your mom finally got to vote,

133
00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,760
Speaker 1: did you go with her. Did you go to the

134
00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,320
Speaker 1: polls with her when you were a kid?

135
00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,600
Speaker 2: No, we had no. Don't forget that during a great

136
00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:08,640
Speaker 2: depression we were lucky to have a roof over our

137
00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,640
Speaker 2: head and food on then there was nothing else. We

138
00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,400
Speaker 2: just you. We looked out for each other. It was

139
00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,960
Speaker 2: a time in our country we had feelings for each other.

140
00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,560
Speaker 2: We respected everybody, We honored our parents, we respected our flag.

141
00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,960
Speaker 2: When I seen Lethos radicals did in Washington with our capital,

142
00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,360
Speaker 2: I was just stunned because that represents all the things

143
00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,200
Speaker 2: that we grew up honoring. And I just thought, you

144
00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,840
Speaker 2: necessarily have to like what's going on, but you have

145
00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,200
Speaker 2: to handle it in a decent way. That was very

146
00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:41,960
Speaker 2: upsetting to me.

147
00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine having served our country and the

148
00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,480
Speaker 1: way you did, having to watch January sixth unfold would feel.

149
00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it was upsetting and very emotional for me,

150
00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,440
Speaker 1: and I imagine it cuts even deeper for you, given

151
00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,400
Speaker 1: you know all these eras that you've lived through and

152
00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,640
Speaker 1: you've seen us move more and more toward progress.

153
00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,600
Speaker 2: I've lived our seventeen presidents now, and you know we

154
00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,080
Speaker 2: were Lord. We didn't necessarily have to like the person

155
00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,000
Speaker 2: that I've got the office, but we learned that we

156
00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,680
Speaker 2: had to respect the McMahon and the office once they've

157
00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,640
Speaker 2: got it. Now there's doesn't see any respect with the

158
00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,679
Speaker 2: all of fighting that's going on. That's really a shame.

159
00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:24,600
Speaker 2: That's hard for uster.

160
00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,679
Speaker 1: Except yeah, I can imagine you've you've got a lot

161
00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:32,520
Speaker 1: of lessons in wisdom for us. How how did it feel?

162
00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,079
Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about everything you've seen, seventeen

163
00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,680
Speaker 1: presidents and whatnot, you know, it strikes me that you

164
00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,000
Speaker 1: were only seventeen years old when you left home to

165
00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480
Speaker 1: go and work on the you know, in these factories

166
00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,560
Speaker 1: to build fighter planes and bombers and warships. You know this.

167
00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,520
Speaker 1: This was World War Two and you gals, you know

168
00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,280
Speaker 1: you Rosie the Riveters showed up and you did this

169
00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,720
Speaker 1: incredible work which was not only, as you say, important

170
00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,040
Speaker 1: for the country, but it really was groundbreaking for women

171
00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,320
Speaker 1: to be doing these things. Were you recruited or did

172
00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,199
Speaker 1: you volunteer?

173
00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:10,600
Speaker 2: How?

174
00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,040
Speaker 1: How did you decide to go and do this at

175
00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:14,120
Speaker 1: such a young age.

176
00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,360
Speaker 2: No, they were just when school was out. I was

177
00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,960
Speaker 2: seventeen and we decided my sister and I had a girlfriend,

178
00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,640
Speaker 2: decided we go to Seattle for the summer after work

179
00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,200
Speaker 2: at Bowing. We knew they were hiring, and we thought

180
00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,120
Speaker 2: that would be a lark, that'd be fun. We didn't

181
00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,200
Speaker 2: realize that once we started became Rosie the Repters, we

182
00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,040
Speaker 2: just got caught up at what our country needed and

183
00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,040
Speaker 2: we just got all of us just pulled together. There

184
00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:43,600
Speaker 2: wasn't a person that I remember that wasn't willing to

185
00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:47,720
Speaker 2: do what our country needed. I meant so many good.

186
00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,959
Speaker 2: The gold Star Mothers were a good example. That's a

187
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,360
Speaker 2: mother who lost the son. She didn't quit working because

188
00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,360
Speaker 2: she lost her son. She said, I don't want another

189
00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,040
Speaker 2: mother to lose his son because he doesn't have the equipment. Now,

190
00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,240
Speaker 2: that's the strength of the women. Also, there were so

191
00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:10,280
Speaker 2: many widows, widows that lost their husbands and we just

192
00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,800
Speaker 2: just took them under our wing and felt so sorry

193
00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,079
Speaker 2: for him. But they didn't quit. They knew what our

194
00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,200
Speaker 2: country needed. They knew what are men and the men

195
00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,560
Speaker 2: couldn't you know wonder wo were without there, but we

196
00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,360
Speaker 2: supplied them.

197
00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,360
Speaker 1: No, what what I'm hearing you talk about really is

198
00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,080
Speaker 1: community building, and what a beautiful thing to rally around

199
00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,400
Speaker 1: people and hold them up in these times of grief

200
00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,080
Speaker 1: and loss. And you know, I have these sort of

201
00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,160
Speaker 1: mental images of all of you in the shipyards, and

202
00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,800
Speaker 1: I think about these long days that you were putting

203
00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,880
Speaker 1: in and how the mission of it all. I mean,

204
00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,960
Speaker 1: my god, fighting World War two, you know, knowing that

205
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:57,480
Speaker 1: we were fighting the Nazis and this and this horrible fascism.

206
00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,240
Speaker 1: You know, the ties to what you're talking about, what

207
00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,440
Speaker 1: you watched on January sixth. It's not lost on me

208
00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,440
Speaker 1: that that energy is very similar. And what was it

209
00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:12,559
Speaker 1: like then understanding the you know, the size and scale

210
00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,720
Speaker 1: of what we were up against. What was it like

211
00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,240
Speaker 1: to be in the shipyard with all those other women?

212
00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,360
Speaker 1: And were you there all day and all night? Were

213
00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,520
Speaker 1: you working in shifts? Like? Can you clue us in

214
00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,720
Speaker 1: who who didn't get to be there with you? On

215
00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:27,480
Speaker 1: what it felt like?

216
00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,040
Speaker 2: Well? I don't forget when now, what was declared? I

217
00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,960
Speaker 2: remember the date what was declared where Pearl Harbor was bombed.

218
00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,480
Speaker 2: I remember I said, well, my sister was a Sunday.

219
00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,080
Speaker 2: My sister and I had been to him Atinee. When

220
00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,760
Speaker 2: we came home, our foots were setting by the radio,

221
00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,280
Speaker 2: very upset, and we said what had happened? And they

222
00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,000
Speaker 2: said Japan bomb Pearl Harbor. I mean I was a

223
00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,560
Speaker 2: young teenager. I just did there. I don't think I

224
00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,840
Speaker 2: know where Pearl Harbor is. You know, we weren't sophisticated

225
00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,800
Speaker 2: about the rest of the world at that time. As

226
00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,520
Speaker 2: I've traveled with the veterans, I doing tried a lot

227
00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,439
Speaker 2: of traveling now and I travel with these veterans, I

228
00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,760
Speaker 2: find out a lot of them say they didn't know

229
00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,319
Speaker 2: where Pearl Harbor was either. We knew our fleet was

230
00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,760
Speaker 2: out there, but and we had to go to the

231
00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:14,040
Speaker 2: Pathway news in the movie theater to get the news

232
00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,400
Speaker 2: of what it was going on. Like in those islands.

233
00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,880
Speaker 2: I never heard of Midway or Guadal Islands or a

234
00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,760
Speaker 2: Battle Canal. My uncle is in Glaudal Canal. My brother

235
00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,600
Speaker 2: was in Leja Islands. I mean, it was so amazing

236
00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,800
Speaker 2: because you get quite a history too through all of this.

237
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,839
Speaker 2: Now that's just the Pacific and course when Hitler start

238
00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,360
Speaker 2: living and I was only three days later when he

239
00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,240
Speaker 2: declared war, and so now we're fighting two oars over

240
00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,960
Speaker 2: both loans, and we weren't prepared for war. But the

241
00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,000
Speaker 2: nice thing it was is in only small towns all

242
00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,400
Speaker 2: across our country when war was declared, every one of

243
00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,160
Speaker 2: the boys and listen, I say everyone, almost everyone and

244
00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,320
Speaker 2: listened immediately. It just took the heart out of our

245
00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,960
Speaker 2: small towns. And that's why is this girls studholder. And

246
00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,960
Speaker 2: we decided we wanted to move on. That's why we

247
00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:08,400
Speaker 2: decided to go up to Boeing. And you know, it

248
00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,760
Speaker 2: was amazing because at first it was fun. I remember

249
00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,320
Speaker 2: getting my first paycheck. How exciting because you know, we

250
00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,760
Speaker 2: didn't make money during the Greek Depression and we were

251
00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,440
Speaker 2: only going to stay for the summer. But the way

252
00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,200
Speaker 2: it worked out, we all loved it and we became

253
00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,720
Speaker 2: Rosy the Rivers for the rest of the war. Now

254
00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,240
Speaker 2: this is at Boeing in Seattle, Washington.

255
00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,640
Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am. And so when you got to Seattle, was

256
00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,440
Speaker 1: there was there a setup for all of you workers.

257
00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,000
Speaker 1: Were there dorms for you to live in? What was

258
00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,040
Speaker 1: your life like there you or did you have to

259
00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,360
Speaker 1: find housing with the other ladies and figure it out?

260
00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,720
Speaker 2: But I started out my girlfriend that we were going

261
00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,160
Speaker 2: with her foller with in Seattle, that they were setting

262
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:51,880
Speaker 2: up housing. You know, they had to build a lot

263
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,040
Speaker 2: of houses for all incoming and people working there. And

264
00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,640
Speaker 2: so my sister and I went with her just to

265
00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,000
Speaker 2: spend the summer there because their family hadn't moved out yet.

266
00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,480
Speaker 2: But the way it turned out, we loved it. So

267
00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,320
Speaker 2: when their family moved, my sister and I went in

268
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,720
Speaker 2: the rooming a boarding house, which was very common anybody

269
00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,320
Speaker 2: that had a spare room with brethers. There's so many

270
00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,640
Speaker 2: people coming into work in these baggreyes. Well, what they

271
00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,440
Speaker 2: did they took it downtown a two weeks training. They

272
00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,040
Speaker 2: put a sheet a piece of sheet metal, luminum and

273
00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,400
Speaker 2: of ice, and they teach us how to drill, use

274
00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:28,440
Speaker 2: the drill re drill holes. We learned how to rivet,

275
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,400
Speaker 2: and then we learned not about the bucker is the

276
00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,240
Speaker 2: one behind the sheet metal where the rivage the riveters

277
00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,320
Speaker 2: driving that rivet into that metal, and the bucker behind

278
00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,840
Speaker 2: masks the seal that. And then so they have a

279
00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,040
Speaker 2: bucking bar and they seal it with the bucking barn. Wow.

280
00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,000
Speaker 1: And now a word from our sponsors that I really

281
00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:55,040
Speaker 1: enjoy and I think you will too. So when you

282
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,120
Speaker 1: when you got through your training two weeks, you're learning

283
00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,560
Speaker 1: how to use all this heavy machinery. This is clearly

284
00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,160
Speaker 1: at the time something women really haven't been doing. Were

285
00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,680
Speaker 1: there were there a lot of men working with you

286
00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,240
Speaker 1: or were they just all off in the war? Like

287
00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,040
Speaker 1: who all were you around every day? I'm trying. I'm

288
00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,080
Speaker 1: trying to paint myself a picture of what your working

289
00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,320
Speaker 1: environment was like once you got on the line.

290
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:26,840
Speaker 2: It's difficult for people to understand what we're saying. But

291
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,760
Speaker 2: once after two weeks training were right and they're working

292
00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:35,240
Speaker 2: almost huge bombers and sometimes they which was somebody with

293
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,640
Speaker 2: a little more experiences to get you started. But after

294
00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,040
Speaker 2: a while, after you're a bucker for a while, become

295
00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,280
Speaker 2: good enough. You became a riventer, which was nice because

296
00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,360
Speaker 2: now you're working on the outside of the wing. I

297
00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,200
Speaker 2: worked in the wing and the bucker has to be

298
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,280
Speaker 2: on the inside, and sometimes you have to weave in

299
00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,040
Speaker 2: and out of those ribs. To be a bucker, you

300
00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,560
Speaker 2: better be young and not claustophobic, or you wouldn't be

301
00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 2: a mayor. Wow. But you know, it was good because

302
00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,000
Speaker 2: we couldn't hear what the rivetar was doing other than

303
00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,040
Speaker 2: the rip begun. But as we have progressed, we sort

304
00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,679
Speaker 2: of picked up a rhythm. We knew what what did

305
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,439
Speaker 2: when the buck and you know things like that. That

306
00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,439
Speaker 2: worked out well. And of course be at first the

307
00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,120
Speaker 2: men I know. I never experienced it, but some women did.

308
00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,520
Speaker 2: The men resented the women in there. But I started

309
00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,639
Speaker 2: working with the man from Iowa. He was fun it

310
00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,560
Speaker 2: taught me how to be a good riveter, but he

311
00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,040
Speaker 2: also used to tease me, pull tricks on me. Used

312
00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,560
Speaker 2: to send me to the tool crip or something stupid

313
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,479
Speaker 2: and I and tell him I want oh god, They

314
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,000
Speaker 2: left and left their heads off. The man thought it

315
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,240
Speaker 2: was so funny. But we got wise to them pretty fast.

316
00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:49,359
Speaker 2: One day he sent me tool. I wouldn't go, and

317
00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,960
Speaker 2: here was the tool that we really needed. But you know,

318
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,359
Speaker 2: they can only get away with that so much, and

319
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:55,920
Speaker 2: that to it.

320
00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,159
Speaker 1: You can only cry wolf so many times, sir, to.

321
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:04,640
Speaker 2: Do with what's a joke about? To cheat me once? Food?

322
00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600
Speaker 2: Same on you, jake me twice, Shame on me. But

323
00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,240
Speaker 2: we learned fast. And you know, after a while, I

324
00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,280
Speaker 2: realized how good a swim and sometimes were much better

325
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,879
Speaker 2: than the men I know were agile. We could move faster,

326
00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,600
Speaker 2: especially with the smaller rivets. But I don't remember any

327
00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,439
Speaker 2: problems with dealing with the man. Like I said, I

328
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,120
Speaker 2: worked with that man and he made me a much

329
00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,880
Speaker 2: better ril. At times they'd ask him to go out

330
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,520
Speaker 2: and do a special job, and he know he wants

331
00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,360
Speaker 2: me to come with him as a buckler, even though

332
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,280
Speaker 2: I was a ribbler because of experience we had. So

333
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,119
Speaker 2: I thought that was nice. It was a thing of pride.

334
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,080
Speaker 2: Made me feel proud.

335
00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 1: But that he thought, Yeah, to be recognized for your skill.

336
00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,719
Speaker 1: And you know, when you think about working in an

337
00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,240
Speaker 1: environment like that, you have a shorthand with people, so

338
00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,400
Speaker 1: to be able, as you said, to get into that

339
00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 1: rhythm and know what was happening with those machines. And

340
00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:02,000
Speaker 1: I bet that must have felt so cool because when

341
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,520
Speaker 1: you started, you know, to your point, everything was loud

342
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,760
Speaker 1: and dark and you're in these wings and things are

343
00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,920
Speaker 1: you can't hear anybody. And then when you actually start

344
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,399
Speaker 1: to hear the rhythm of the factory, you realize you

345
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,080
Speaker 1: have a new kind of knowledge.

346
00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 2: Well, it's totally different. You get proud of what you're doing,

347
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,879
Speaker 2: very proud of what you're doing. That was so funny

348
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 2: because I worked in like childre the wing and in

349
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,160
Speaker 2: the cell that's where the engine goes, and they were small.

350
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,199
Speaker 2: You had to be pretty small and very naive. It

351
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 2: was a good idea if you were naivy. I look

352
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 2: at it finished B seventeen. That was my love of

353
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 2: the two. I did the twenty nine too, but I

354
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,440
Speaker 2: look at it B seventeen now with at a museum

355
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,480
Speaker 2: or someplace, and I said, oh, did I ever get

356
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:47,880
Speaker 2: in there?

357
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:49,160
Speaker 1: Oh wow?

358
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 2: And you had to be young and an agile to

359
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 2: do these things. That's it was nice to have all ages.

360
00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 2: There was women, older women, really wonderful jobs, but they

361
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 2: were like two that there was nothing stopping us. We

362
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,679
Speaker 2: just don't. It was a time when we were I

363
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: think we all had a certain adopt amount of talent,

364
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 2: and when we went to work, some of those that

365
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 2: were little delicate or think, oh I can't do that,

366
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: they found out that they're probably ended up being better

367
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,920
Speaker 2: than ones who thought like us. We thought we could

368
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 2: do it. So it's just a matter of hanging in

369
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,840
Speaker 2: there and saving our country. It was. It was just

370
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 2: an I can't begin to tell you how I'll talk

371
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: about the greatest generation when they call us the greatest generation,

372
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 2: I'm very proud to follow into that category because there

373
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 2: was a unique time in our lives. We just pulled

374
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 2: together everything that was needed. We did m H.

375
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,680
Speaker 1: I think that's really special, and you know, it's it's

376
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: amazing to think about the history that you got to

377
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 1: see in the way that, to your point, everybody really

378
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 1: stepped up to to defeat fascism. You know, it's when

379
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,160
Speaker 1: we talk about these sort of one hundred year cycles

380
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: in history and we see what's approaching now. There's so

381
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 1: many historians who have published incredible work about the era

382
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 1: that led up to World War Two and the time

383
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: when you were serving. And I really think learning our

384
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: history is one of the most important things we can do,

385
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 1: not to repeat it right. And when I look at

386
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: you and I hear you talk about this, you know,

387
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,159
Speaker 1: it kind of blows my mind when you know, you

388
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: talk about these planes that you loved and you signed

389
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: your name on the five thousand B seventeen the US

390
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: Army made you know, you and all these other men

391
00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: and women who built this plane, and it's like it

392
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I think people in my generation we think of

393
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 1: history as a long time ago and oh, that's done,

394
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: and it's a thing we learned about in a book,

395
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: but it is alive. You were there, and when we

396
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: when we look at it as too far in our

397
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: past to pay attention to the lessons we can be

398
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: doomed to repeat them. That's that's what January sixth was,

399
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: as you you know said earlier. And I really I'm

400
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: very grateful that in this beautiful era of your life,

401
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: when you know you could be spending your time going

402
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,880
Speaker 1: on walks in the neighborhood with your lovely family, you're

403
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 1: out here advocating and talking to Congress and doing this

404
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 1: work so that we don't forget. And I just really

405
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: want to say thank you.

406
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 2: Oh well, you know it's our on. It's so nice

407
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 2: for us to be able to do that. I often

408
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: think about the Great Depression, and you know, we are

409
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 2: a small town that have what they call a call

410
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 2: park that the trains were run by Colin Mobert, and

411
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: they stop the refuel well when they stopped refuel they

412
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 2: call them bums or hoboes, but many of them are

413
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,400
Speaker 2: professional men just trying to find a job. They were

414
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 2: traveling coast to coast, and I can remember them. I

415
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 2: was just a kid at the time. I can remember

416
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: them coming knocking on the door and asking my mother

417
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: if they could do something for something to eat. My

418
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 2: mother would always make them an ache sandwich, and I

419
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: can remember sitting on the step eating that sandwich, and

420
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: they get up and they thank my mother. They're very grateful,

421
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: very thankful. Now, many of these were professional men, just

422
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: traveling to find a job. I think there was I

423
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: think they said there was fifty fifty men for every

424
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: single job at that time, and that's a lot of

425
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: but that was a great depression. And like I said

426
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,479
Speaker 2: with Boweing, when I went to Boeing, I had the

427
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: opportunity jake hands with half arm. No. He was the

428
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: start of five star general of the Army Air. I

429
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: don't know why we were up the platform. I guess

430
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: they were moving the wing to attach it to the

431
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 2: body of the plane. But he went by. He come by,

432
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: and he stopped and start talking to us. I think

433
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: they're about six or eight of us, and he shook

434
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: our hands and he just made a little proud of

435
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: what we were doing. And of course you need that

436
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: little shot in the arm, you need that Ralph feeling.

437
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 2: I never forgot that. And now I get invited to

438
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 2: Pentagon quite often and they'd always say, you're the only

439
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: one to hear right now that is shaking a pap

440
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 2: arms hand. That's a cute thing. But I've been so

441
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 2: fortunate with getting so many beautiful places and flights like

442
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: I had a private tour of Cape Canalvil. They took

443
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: me Air Force took me right up close to that

444
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 2: rocket launch and we Kennalty Space Center. I got to

445
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: meet an astronaut. You know, these are things. You don't

446
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: get these things if you sit in your old brock

447
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: and chair and let the world go by. And I've

448
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: always been I worked for forty years. Another story I'd

449
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 2: love to tell. So many women didn't realize that they're

450
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: full under that umbrella or Rosie the Rivetor, And I said,

451
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, we built that plane, We put that big

452
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 2: plane together, but you built the engine, you built electrical system,

453
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: you built the tires. We couldn't have got that plane

454
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: off the ground had it not been for you. You're

455
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: just as much a part of that plane because we are.

456
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: But because they say Rosie the riveter, or to think

457
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: that if they didn't put rivets in a plane and

458
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: weld in the battleship, they weren't riveter, and that I

459
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time trying to meet people women.

460
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: One lady says, I said, why don't why do you

461
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: say you're not a Rosie she said, all I did

462
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 2: was make change for the navy, or anchor change for

463
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: the navy. How could the Navy function without an anchor change?

464
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: You just didn't realize. He fell onto that umbrow and

465
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: that took him out to bring these women out and

466
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: make them realize that even though they're working in a

467
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: small factory somewhere in the country, their job was just

468
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: as important.

469
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: As ours, because it's all, it's all a piece of the.

470
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: Puzzle, right, Yeah, that's true.

471
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: What a special thing that you've made the sort of

472
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: umbrella of the rosies even bigger. Do you remember when

473
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: the poster was created? Because to us, the Rosie the

474
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: Riveter poster is so iconic, we know, we know you

475
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: girls by that artwork. Do you do you remember when

476
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: that happened?

477
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 2: Now? I remember Norman Rockwells. That's when his came out first,

478
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: and of course it was on Life magazine was all

479
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 2: over when that came out. But that sort of represents

480
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 2: the shipyard of workers more than it does us aircraft workers.

481
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: Not that the difference. I don't mean it makes a difference.

482
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: But when Howard Miller came out with the other Rosie,

483
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: he that was late drmam for a long time because

484
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: he didn't call it Rosie riveter. He did that to

485
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: make women realize, how you know, how how strong they were.

486
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: And when that came out, that was funny because my

487
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 2: husband also worked for Westinghouse, but he worked in Trentoni pisperably.

488
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 2: But no, that funny because we didn't wear pokedop bandanas.

489
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: We had to wear bandanas. But now everything is pokadots.

490
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 2: We look at me. I always put my little scarf

491
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: one when I go on, but that represents a rosie.

492
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: It makes us strong, and said, it's fantastic that that

493
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: came out. Of course, when anything commercial comes out and

494
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: goes like wildfire, which very beneficial, beneficial for us do

495
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: anything I find that I've been working with a great

496
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: cook from Philadelphia, dug Colored ladies didn't get the credit

497
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 2: that we got. They didn't they didn't have everything with

498
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 2: a white women. And so now it was our Congressional

499
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 2: gold medal. We've made sure that all women are recognized,

500
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: and that's nice, and we had we did that ourselves

501
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: with us rosies. We designed the medal. And I said,

502
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: and they have invited me to the Mint to Philadelphia.

503
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: That's such a nice one. They just didn't me not

504
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: too long ago to the strike of the new coin

505
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: coming out the Greatest Generation. That's so cool, me, isn't

506
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: it beautiful? The things that come through all of this,

507
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: you just just work hard enough. But and then another

508
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: thing that I've had some beautiful experiences. And last year

509
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: I was invited with the Greatest Generation group to go

510
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 2: to England. We were and coming back. We came back

511
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: on the Queen Mary and every day they two of

512
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: us would tell our story in our auditorium, and they've

513
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: got a beautiful auditorium. We drew in nice crowd and

514
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: this is so rewarding because they get to hear what

515
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: we the men, and what we did to save our country.

516
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, and tell them we're walking history

517
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: right now. Soon we're just going to be a page

518
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: in the history book. So listen. Might tell them to

519
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: listen to your grandmother, your grandfather, anybody who has information

520
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: on the history. Because once you see it is here live,

521
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 2: it's more understandable is to read about it.

522
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Exactly, because when people get to meet you, they they

523
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: know you. It's one thing to read about people, it's

524
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: another to really know them. And I think acknowledging our

525
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: history by knowing each other is so important, and I

526
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: love I mean, I got to tell you how cool

527
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: I think it is that you do all this advocacy

528
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: work for women. And to be honest, you know, my

529
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: generation does a lot of work to make the world

530
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: see the different kinds of barriers that different kinds of

531
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: people have in front of them. You know, we don't

532
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: all start on the same starting line for the race.

533
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: And one of the things I respect so much among

534
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, my friends who are in the generations above mine,

535
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: is when they really care enough to be clear about

536
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: progress and when people as they age get more and

537
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: more progressive and more and more inclusive. And I got

538
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: to say, may it's the coolest thing for me to

539
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: hear you, this woman who I look up to so much,

540
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: sit from this position and talk about intersectionality. You're talking

541
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: about advocating for women of color who did this work,

542
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: whose photos weren't in the history books. And I just

543
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: thank you for that, because I know it comes as

544
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: no surprise to you. There's a lot of folks in

545
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: older generations who don't want to have to talk about

546
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: what people of color have been through in our country.

547
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: And I think that does a disservice to our history

548
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: need to be too.

549
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: And we do. I My good example one that I

550
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: like to tell. She's moved on now, but when we

551
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: were our young women, you know, there was no place

552
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: for women before. We'll work to others than making beds

553
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: and doing dishes. A few had careers, but usually teachers

554
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: or nurses. But tell we had they would never imagine

555
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: a woman being a policeman or a policewoman in our day.

556
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: And Michelle Outlaw, Danielle Outlaw became the commissioner of Police

557
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: and the city of Philadelphia, one of the largest cities

558
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 2: in our country. Now, she didn't get that by token woman.

559
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: She got a beautiful background. And you know, I love

560
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: to use her as an example because not only has

561
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: she achieved the goal that we could have never gone,

562
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 2: I've gotten, but all she's a lady of color and

563
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 2: modic giants step that is freequality, yes, and company that

564
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: I've met along the way the same way. They're outstanding.

565
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it shouldn't matter, It couldn't matter at all.

566
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: You're right, it shouldn't. But I do think it's really

567
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: powerful when we can look around and say it shouldn't,

568
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: but it does. And we've got work to do, and

569
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: now for our sponsors. I love seeing the way you

570
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: ladies are doing this work together, and it makes me

571
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: curious about something else, because when we talk about all

572
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: these arenas where women weren't welcomed, and women of color

573
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: certainly weren't welcomed. You know this this was an era,

574
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: as you say, where nobody had seen women do a

575
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: lot of these jobs. And I you know, as as

576
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: your young feminist friend, I'm real curious about your husband,

577
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: norm because you are an icon for women's rights and

578
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: you started to blaze that trail in an era where

579
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: people love to use that phrase, Oh, this is a

580
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: man's world. So I'm real curious how you found a

581
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: man who was good enough for you.

582
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget men. We're going to be get men,

583
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: even from that generation. But he had not common sense

584
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: to know that. He sortaty had let me go. He

585
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: wasn't a controller, but men have a certain way of

586
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: controlling without without your realizing.

587
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that patriarchy piece, yeah, yeah.

588
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: But that's there. But you know, he knew I was

589
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: doing all this writing and everything. He just didn't pay

590
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: too much attention because he knew I was going to

591
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: do it anyway. But you know, but I would never

592
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: have been able to, you know, when he died. He's

593
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: been dead now ten years and ten years Untune you've

594
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: lived twenty three. We had such a good life. We

595
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 2: danced our way through life. Didn't mean that we didn't

596
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: ever battles, but we hadn't worked like Cold Wars o

597
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: other than But no, I just wish you could see

598
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: what I've been doing now that I'm by one on

599
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: the road. Uh. And it's just so fantastic for me.

600
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: I just can't tell you the people I've met. When

601
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: we finally got the last I called the nail on

602
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: the coffin for a Congressional gold medal sender, Casey was

603
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: spent and he was speaking of he had my picture

604
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: of the show and how I made the six thousand

605
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: basements during the pandemic. And when he was off the

606
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 2: floor he called me and he says, mate, after all

607
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 2: your years of work, how do you feel now that

608
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: you've got the gold medal? And I said, I'm just

609
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: deleted with that journey getting there was absolutely fantastic. I mean,

610
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: the people I met, it's wonderful. And I can't say

611
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: that I've met anyone that hasn't been really nice and

612
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: good to me, They all, they all seem to cooperate.

613
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: We've got our Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick. Jaggie spears from California. Oh,

614
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 2: I love her, isn't he something? Everything?

615
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: Really something?

616
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: Anytime I went to Washington, she would be right there

617
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: for me. She would inviting me and inviting her friends,

618
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: and no matter where it was that I'm just sister

619
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: or to see her leave Washington, because we need women

620
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: like her.

621
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: We sure do, we sure do. And I'm just so

622
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: glad that you've gotten to encounter all these people. You know,

623
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: when you when you talk about everyone you've met along

624
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: the way, it strikes me that your journey really exemplifies

625
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: that phrase. The journey is the destination.

626
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: It is, it really is, because I'm a people person

627
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: and I can just like with you sovia I don't

628
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: have no problem talking to you. I mean, it's so

629
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: nice because if we're able to communicate and if we're

630
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: not after each other for a while, they're women, when

631
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: they start to rise to the top, they'd be shot at.

632
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody was blame them for this turn that's

633
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: not the case. It was still the case, but not

634
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: nearly as bad anymore a manner, except the fact that

635
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 2: they can if the women is smarter. I always think

636
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: of that. I told him I was invited with John

637
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: Dickerson to do his Women of the Pearl Harbor for

638
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: the eighties anniversary, to do Think with him for that anniversary,

639
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: and the young man that set it up, he was

640
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: telling me how smart his wife was and he was

641
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 2: the smart. I thought, one beautiful thing that the two

642
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: of you admire each other's smart and different ways use

643
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: it together, not above heads, you know. I think that's

644
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 2: young couples get that nowadays, not only other We still

645
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: have a lot of them. Men still want to be

646
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: in power.

647
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that's great advice for us. You know,

648
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: sure in your house with your partner, but I think

649
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: that's really good advice for us in community, like like

650
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: what you gals did you know in the shipyards, If

651
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: you can, if everyone can use their skills and smarts

652
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: together instead of to fight, we we build each other up,

653
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: we build community, we better the country. And you you've

654
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: set such an example of that. And I'm just tickled

655
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: that you guys are being recognized.

656
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 2: When you're speaking about the shipyard, and not that you

657
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: had me speak when when we needed the shots and

658
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: all they had me speak at times. That that proves

659
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: you of people that they they should get the shots,

660
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: because if I can get them, there's no reason you

661
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: can't get them. That kind of thing, you know. Yeah,

662
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 2: it was really work nice. One of the things I

663
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: told like when they would ask me questions, is you

664
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: won't some of you won't wear your masks for five minutes.

665
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: What do you think about these ladies in the shipyard

666
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 2: that had to wear the hoods and carry the welding torches.

667
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 2: They didn't do it for five minutes. They did it

668
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 2: for eight hours a day for years. I say, you

669
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: at least wear the masks. Were if you don't want

670
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: to protect yourself, think about the other people. You've got

671
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 2: to protect other people as well. And that's and that's

672
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: so true. I mean, they didn't realize what the women sacrifice.

673
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 2: We didn't think of the sacrifice. They always thought about

674
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 2: as we wanted to save our country, and we saved

675
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 2: our country. But I get invited overseas so often you'd

676
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: be surprised out The honor first used to be just

677
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: the veterans, but now they include me in with the

678
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: veterans and they treat me just like one of them

679
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: before they say, you know, what did she do to

680
00:37:58,920 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: win the war?

681
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: Kind of everything.

682
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've been getting that at four advice to

683
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: go to Normandy and I've got now I've been invited

684
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: to go back to the Netherlands. I go with this

685
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: one group in New York and they've invited me to

686
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: go back again with them. I get so many invites.

687
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's so amazing. When you travel, you know, around

688
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: the country and around the world to all of these events,

689
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you meet with world leaders and congress people,

690
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: and you know, folks in government and at the Pentagon.

691
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: Who goes with you? Who's your travel companion?

692
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: Now it used to be my great granddaughter. He used

693
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 2: to travel with me most of the time. But now

694
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: she's moved up to vancoover British Combia. She's a smart

695
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: cookie here.

696
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: Oh that's so cool, just like me.

697
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 2: We got the same personality. You don't tell us they

698
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: can't be done kind of thing. Absolutely, But that's very

699
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 2: so important for the young people to realize you don't

700
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: start you don't start running. It takes a long trail.

701
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've been working for about almost forty years.

702
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: Just I didn't have no idea where I was going to.

703
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: I just knew that it wasn't fair that they didn't

704
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: recognize the women. Now I write to anybody, everybodybody would

705
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: listen to me. In fact, it's so funny with this metal.

706
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: Gary Tenise's foundation has helped bring a lot of women

707
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: there to him. Over a year ago and I asked

708
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: him he puts on such beautiful programs down in Washington

709
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: for the men. I wrote to him and ask him,

710
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: why doesn't he include his women in some of his programs.

711
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: I never got any response from me, But now he's

712
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: honoring the women from out there. He's pay him a

713
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: lot of the ways to Washington, and it's so nice.

714
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 2: I never quit right, and I didn't care who was.

715
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: I've got answers from almost all the presidents. I mean,

716
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 2: they're only human too. I love that something so manythings

717
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: that just could sit here and talk to you all

718
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: day about all the things that I've done and I've

719
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 2: experienced with I love.

720
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: Just I love it for you. I'm really curious what

721
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: it felt like, because I know how emotional it was

722
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: for me. I'm curious what it felt like for you

723
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: when the election happened in twenty twenty to see the

724
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: first female vice president of the United States be elected.

725
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I loved it, of course, you know, I didn't

726
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: get really I've always a little bit involved with politics,

727
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: but when the Hambrig was running. But then I really

728
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: got involved as I met Joe Biden, I met the

729
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: Clinton Mill Clinton people like that I really got involved in.

730
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: But then, of course, wherever a woman can step up

731
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: my math form, I just think that's great. I've met

732
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: the oh Amy Wisconsin is Amy.

733
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: Govich, Amy Klobashar. Yeah, she's wonderful.

734
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked her. She's unit's preserved. But I've met

735
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: so many of them, and I'm just so proud when

736
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,959
Speaker 2: I stopped at those women. One of the best times

737
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: we ever had we went to Corey Booker's office that

738
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: was in North Jersey represent him. He wasn't there, of course,

739
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: but they said come back in fifteen minutes and they

740
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: brought a lot of women that served in the Navy.

741
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: Are different things. I think we when we had more

742
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: fun in that office. So this is the things that

743
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: if you, you know, just put yourself up, you can

744
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 2: have so much fun and it's amazing. And I walked

745
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 2: the floors the halls there in Washington a lot, but

746
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: meeting a lot of different people. And it's the personalities

747
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 2: and different personalities reasons why you like this one better

748
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: than that, you know, things like that. I'm one of

749
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 2: these things too. I enjoyed. I was invited to a

750
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: march in the New York Metands State Parade a couple

751
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: of times, and the last time buzz Aldrin was a

752
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: Grand Marshal, And of course I loved the space program

753
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: and so to me that was quint and then let

754
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: me invited to Kennedy Space and were Patrick there for

755
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: me and I got to beat it up in space

756
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: three times. So these are excited to me. They're very

757
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: exciting things to do.

758
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's so beautiful. We'll be back in just a

759
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: minute after a few words from our favorite sponsors. May

760
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: have you seen a documentary film called The Farthest No,

761
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: I haven't. Oh my goodness, you are going to love it.

762
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: I much like you. I just I love the space program.

763
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: And this documentary was made about the Voyager launch in

764
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, and they have all the footage from

765
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 1: NASA and Carl Sagan is talking about, you know, how

766
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: they put the Golden Record together. And one of the

767
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: things I love so much about it is they interview

768
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: all the women who were on the Voyager team. Really

769
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: it is, Oh, it's just so good. You're gonna love it.

770
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: I do. I thought, it's Sally right, you know what,

771
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: the things like that, it's just so amazing. I mean,

772
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: you just don't know. Like I said, when when I

773
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: was down the Patrick Air Force Base, that was the

774
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: week I got a three hour tour, private tour of

775
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: cake and overrow. Yeah, and it was amazing. It was

776
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: in the bumper where that first that first rocket went up,

777
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: how thick the walls were, what they did. It was

778
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: so funny because they kept saying they don't push any

779
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: red buttons. Well, when we came out of that, that

780
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: door was but look, I think about three feet thick

781
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: or something so heavy, and they said, now you can

782
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: push the red button. So I did get to push

783
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: a red button. Wow. But you know, these experiences you

784
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: can't you can't buy anything like this isn't so valuable.

785
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm so fortunate for my age. My

786
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: mother nature is starting to catch up to me. Now,

787
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 2: but I might might right knees, God to give me

788
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: a little problem. But my doctor's telling me I'm really good. Help.

789
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say, may may we all

790
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: age like you and be doing as much for the

791
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: world as as you are. I'm I'm just so grateful

792
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: for everything that you do and the way that you

793
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: advocate for us and for the nation. I am curious.

794
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: You know when you think about this big milestone you

795
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 1: guys are getting your Congressional Gold medal, The riveters are

796
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: being honored, all of the rosies, and you know all

797
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: of the women who, like you said, went beyond just riveting,

798
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: the ones who were, you know, making chains and making

799
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: wheels and building engines. What what do you think when

800
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: you look at the landscape of how things are for

801
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: us in the country today, I'd call you an expert.

802
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: How does your expertise think of what's to come? You know, what,

803
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: what work do you think we need to do next?

804
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: I can answer that with two words, I'm scared. I mean,

805
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: I just think I didn't understand what's what's going on

806
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: in the sense of I agree, if they don't like something,

807
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: you can't you have to can stay the same things

808
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: can't stay the same. We need change, but we need

809
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: to do it in the right way. And when I

810
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: see what's going on, it just scares me because this

811
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: is not our country. This is not the way where

812
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: we fought wars fairly. They're not fighting this fairly. I mean,

813
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: I think it's just terrible what is happening. I don't

814
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 2: understand how people and I hear we go to politics

815
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: and they tell me not to talk politics, but I

816
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: can't understand people that would put a person into office

817
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: that they don't respect. I mean, that was the biggest

818
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: word in the dictionaries, whereas we've just concerned respect. I agree, Yeah,

819
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: I just think that's important. The first you respect yourself,

820
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: then you respect others, and that builds a beautiful foundation.

821
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: And I think that's something that we're missing and we need,

822
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: we need to. It's just everybody's out for themselves and

823
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: their money is ruled the world money and corporations, and

824
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: I hate to see that that's no way the people.

825
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 2: You knew what I mean, just six thousand maths. I

826
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: get the most beautiful letters from all over our country.

827
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 2: Some made me laugh, some made me cry, and I said,

828
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, I said, read this letters. They're the genuine

829
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: American people. They're not the radicals. They climb the Capital building.

830
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: I just wish that every one of those genuine American

831
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 2: people would get out there and help Dave our country again.

832
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: Vote yes, ma'am. I've got better.

833
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: Vote yes, ma'am. Well, that's a big goal for us.

834
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm curious because you do so much for community and

835
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 1: so much for other people. I'm really curious for you,

836
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: my new friend, May, when you think about your year ahead,

837
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: what what feels like a work in progress for you.

838
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's nothing that I can do different

839
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: other than going out there and try to make people

840
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: realize what's important that our country it seemed to have

841
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: forgotten that it's a little thing that up. I mean,

842
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: if everybody's more interested in what they can buy or

843
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: get or what have you suppose he said, why don't

844
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: they try giving? You know, it's not what he said,

845
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 2: not what your country can do for you, what you

846
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: can do for your country. I mean, there's lot of

847
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: truth to that, and I do think that if people

848
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: had just opened their eyes and realize what's happening, it's

849
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: just saying to realize what's what's happening in our community,

850
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: in our world, and our country. I don't think one

851
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: last thing I said, you're getting more ready to move on?

852
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 2: I was. I always love to tell us. When Al

853
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 2: Hitler said that he wouldn't have any trouble defeating America,

854
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: he said because American women couldn't produce. He said, we

855
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: were soft and spoiled. He says, we spent too much

856
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: time on stocking cosmetic and frivolous things. I think Hitler

857
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: and women were made of.

858
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: Yes you did, Yes you did. I think I think

859
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: you showed him exactly where he could shove those stockings.

860
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: That's right. But I really admire men and women that

861
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: in the I went to work for our country. That

862
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: was just the time. Like I said, it was a

863
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: unique time in our lives. There will never be another

864
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: time like that because we forward. Technology has changed our thinking,

865
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: our lifestyle. My younger generation, some of my younger grandchildren,

866
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: they spend half the day with their their heads stuck

867
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: in that cell phone. Yeah. I think that's a terminal mistake.

868
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: But the see imo, they don't, They say, But do

869
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: you know, because I am a liking to use a

870
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: cell phone.

871
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: I trust your opinion on that You've lived a lot

872
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: of life, and I think, I think if there's anybody

873
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: whose advice we should be taking, it's yours.

874
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, you know, like I said,

875
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 2: our life was simple and we were genuine people. I mean,

876
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 2: we didn't have at least problems. Look at the killing

877
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: the kids. No, I don't know if it comes from these

878
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: game programs or what, but they think nothing of killed them.

879
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 2: At the human being, these kind of things we never

880
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 2: see or never grew up with, was a simple way

881
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: of life. And I think because I don't know whether

882
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: to go back to that or not, but I just

883
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: if we start losing respect, we lose them, We lose

884
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: so much.

885
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think if we have you know, hopes

886
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: to write the ship, if you will, it does come

887
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: from trusting the incredible you know examples that folks like

888
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: you have said. And you're right. If we can center

889
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: respect and we can prioritize our communities and our country,

890
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of things will get better. And

891
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: I just can't thank you enough for setting such a

892
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: great example for us and for using time to advocate

893
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: for us, and you know the way that you've fought

894
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: for all the rosies is something that I know I

895
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and so many other women will be eternally grateful for.

896
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: So thank you so much.

897
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for having me on your sweetheart. You're

898
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: beautiful one too, very pretty lady.

899
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for joining me today. And I

900
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: sure hope I get to go to Washington with you

901
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: sometime soon.

902
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I'd love to meet you down there.

903
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: Take you and thank you, darling.

904
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: Thank you,