Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's bringing j Millis ESPN college bounsketball analyst
Speaker 1: and in case you forget, he was a very good
Speaker 1: college baunsketball player in his own right. Jay, do you
Speaker 1: remember your first tournament game when you were at Duke. Yes,
Speaker 1: we played in Pullman, Washington, and stayed in Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 1: and so it was not not much of an introduction
Speaker 1: into the glory of the tournament. We were probably felt
Speaker 1: like we were more quarantined and isolated than the guys
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. Right now, who was the best player you
Speaker 1: played against that year? Dead Left Fremp. We played Washington
Speaker 1: at Washington State in the second round. That was back
Speaker 1: before the tournament expanded, so it was nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: so we had to buy. We didn't play a first
Speaker 1: round game. We had to buy into the second round
Speaker 1: and played played Dead Left Shremp and Christian Velop and Washington.
Speaker 1: How'd you do? They beat us by one and Johnnys
Speaker 1: got fouled on a lob and just taken out and
Speaker 1: the referee just looked at him like, we're in Washington.
Speaker 1: How surprised were you? Reaction? To Duke nut getting in
Speaker 1: this year not surprise at all. I thought the only
Speaker 1: shot they had to get to get in in was
Speaker 1: beating Florida State and go into the semifinals of the
Speaker 1: ACC tournament and playing well there. I don't think they
Speaker 1: had to win, but they had to play well, and
Speaker 1: the coronavirus thing having a player test positive took him
Speaker 1: out of it. So I wasn't surprised at all. What
Speaker 1: about the COVID contingency plans of what happens during the
Speaker 1: tournament When the tournament gets started, if a team has
Speaker 1: to pull out, what happens. Let's say it's an Elite
Speaker 1: eight or Sweet sixteen, what happens to that matchup? They
Speaker 1: just moved the other one on. So once the tournament starts,
Speaker 1: everything's locked in. If something happens between now and then,
Speaker 1: they'll take one of the last four teams in order.
Speaker 1: When the last four teams left out, I think Louisville
Speaker 1: was the first one, and they'll they'll just put them
Speaker 1: into that slot no matter what the seed is. So
Speaker 1: if a you know, if a sixteen seed goes out
Speaker 1: because of virus issues and cannot play, then they slot
Speaker 1: Louisville in there, so a number one seed is going
Speaker 1: to be gone. Really, we get Louisville as a sixteen seed.
Speaker 1: That's not fair, that's not fair. But it's just it's
Speaker 1: the only way they can do it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess theoretically you could, you could shift up one bracket
Speaker 1: and and just reseat it, but that that way everybody
Speaker 1: has to redo their scouting and their preparation and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. You're just better off just sticking it to
Speaker 1: one team rather than the whole bracket. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like an airplane flight, like if you miss a flight,
Speaker 1: or if if they cancel a flight, they don't they
Speaker 1: don't just pook everybody on the next one and inconvenience everybody,
Speaker 1: they just didn't convenience that one flight. But are you
Speaker 1: going to have these four teams that are sort of
Speaker 1: in the undecked circle they're quarantining, practicing, ready to go
Speaker 1: just in case that's yes, they're testing, uh and ready.
Speaker 1: They had to notify the selection committee that they're willing
Speaker 1: to go if they're called. I don't anticipate that happening,
Speaker 1: but who knows. There's a lot of things you didn't anticipate.
Speaker 1: But but you know, the conference tournaments. I mean, it
Speaker 1: was some big names with Virginia Duke and Kansas having
Speaker 1: an issue, but otherwise everything went off pretty well. I
Speaker 1: think the I think the biggest issue Dan was there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of trauma there. You know, it
Speaker 1: was one year basically to the day, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you had a few teams drop all, you know,
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours, and it started to feel like
Speaker 1: deja vu all over again a little bit. But but
Speaker 1: you know, intellectually, you knew that this is not that
Speaker 1: big of a deal. I mean, it certainly sucks for
Speaker 1: those teams and their fans and the coaches all that stuff,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't It wasn't anything going to derail you know,
Speaker 1: the conference tournaments and TV and all that stuff. The
Speaker 1: business is going to go on no matter how many
Speaker 1: people you know, have to have to bow out of
Speaker 1: This doesn't feel like there's any outrage today. Normally the
Speaker 1: day after, you know, we're railing again, and so a
Speaker 1: team that got in or seated too high or a
Speaker 1: team that didn't get in, is there any outrage. No.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's because we're just happy to have it. But
Speaker 1: the committee did a pretty good job I mean, there
Speaker 1: were some things that I didn't care for, but nothing
Speaker 1: where you're going really like, are you guys you know
Speaker 1: the balls round right, We've had those in the past.
Speaker 1: We didn't have that this year. So overall, I think
Speaker 1: it was pretty good. And you know, I mean, you
Speaker 1: could cure. There are a couple of things I don't
Speaker 1: like that the committee does usually, and that is I
Speaker 1: don't like it when they put mid major against mid
Speaker 1: major and because you know, one of them loses, and
Speaker 1: you know, that's when you go put any time you
Speaker 1: can put the little guy against a big shot and
Speaker 1: let's see what happens, because that's what people seem to want.
Speaker 1: And it is a television event after all, and they
Speaker 1: know that too. But overall, I thought it was I
Speaker 1: thought it was pretty good and pretty balanced. That was
Speaker 1: the best part of it was there's no region. You're going, well,
Speaker 1: that one's affair and this one easy. They all seem
Speaker 1: seem pretty pretty balanced, which is I think the number
Speaker 1: one thing to do for any committee. Jay Bill, as
Speaker 1: ESPN College basketball analyst, you mentioned this is a TV show.
Speaker 1: I was wondering about this if Zion was still on
Speaker 1: Duke this year and they were thirteen and eleven. Would
Speaker 1: would the committee look at Duke differently if you had
Speaker 1: a Marquis Mussey player like that. Well that's part of
Speaker 1: the problem, dan Is. If Zion or on Duke's team,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be thirty maybe twenty four, maybe twenty three
Speaker 1: and one. Okay, come on, all right, well that but
Speaker 1: that's the issue with them is they didn't have they
Speaker 1: didn't have superstar talent. They had they had good talent,
Speaker 1: and they were just kind of just like everybody else
Speaker 1: this year. They had good players and youth and all that.
Speaker 1: But you know, so with Kentucky and Duke, you know people,
Speaker 1: some people were saying, ah, one and done, it doesn't
Speaker 1: work anymore. Well, it works at Oklahoma State, and it
Speaker 1: works at Gonzaga, and it works at USC. You know,
Speaker 1: they just didn't get the superstars this year and Kentucky
Speaker 1: and Duke usually do. I wonder about, you know, once
Speaker 1: we get done with the one and done, how that's
Speaker 1: going to change what the blue Bloods do recruiting wise,
Speaker 1: or how that's going to affect the mid majors. Do
Speaker 1: you see a seismic shift there that now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Duke's getting the guy who's going to stay
Speaker 1: three years maybe, but they're also going to get they'll
Speaker 1: get the best players anyway, and they'll be more active
Speaker 1: in the transfer market. That's going to be a bigger
Speaker 1: deal going forward. You're going to see players that identify
Speaker 1: themselves as being really good are going to go well. Heck,
Speaker 1: I can go to Duke or Kentucky now and you'll
Speaker 1: see that more often. But I'm not convinced that one
Speaker 1: and Done is going away it. You know, you may
Speaker 1: see other avenues. But if if the NCAA wise is
Speaker 1: up or if the Supreme Court says they have to um,
Speaker 1: players are going to be able to make money. And
Speaker 1: if they can make money, college is going to be
Speaker 1: a pretty good option. What is your philosophy in filling
Speaker 1: out a bracket? Mine is be careful of the upsets
Speaker 1: that you're looking for, because you know, saying the five
Speaker 1: twelve happens, it's picking the right five twelve. And this
Speaker 1: year a lot of the double digit upsets are going
Speaker 1: to be major conference teams that are the double digit seed,
Speaker 1: whether it's Rutgers or Syracuse or Michigan State or things
Speaker 1: like that, those don't seem to be as appealing but
Speaker 1: I don't. I look at who I think is gonna
Speaker 1: advance the team. I think that's gonna advance in the bracket.
Speaker 1: And I don't worry as much about the upsets because
Speaker 1: those are the first weekend fun things. And you know,
Speaker 1: when you start thinking about like a fifteen seed or something,
Speaker 1: two seeds are one hundred and thirty two and eight
Speaker 1: against fifteen seeds, you know, sometimes it seems like, hey,
Speaker 1: those fifteen this team can really play. They can play,
Speaker 1: but they don't win as often as you think. And
Speaker 1: then they don't win a second game. So when you
Speaker 1: start thinking about Florida off Coast or something, that's great,
Speaker 1: but it's happened once, and and you've got to be
Speaker 1: got to be a little careful of stuff that's only
Speaker 1: happened once. Gonzaga's chances here of going undefeated, um, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously it hasn't happened since nineteen seventy six. But given
Speaker 1: everything that's happened, is that on the same level as
Speaker 1: what Indiana did with Bob Knight? Yeah, yeah, I think so. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I think the field is a
Speaker 1: little bit younger now than it was back then. That's
Speaker 1: the only difference between football and basketball. The players now
Speaker 1: are better they've ever been. So if Gonzaga played that
Speaker 1: Indiana team, they drilled them, but the players were older,
Speaker 1: and so that's the only thing that would give them
Speaker 1: more of a chance. It's like if you took you know,
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy two Nebraska Cornhuskers and they played against
Speaker 1: Alabama this year, who do you think win Alabama to
Speaker 1: drub them? But football hasn't changed, the ages of the
Speaker 1: players haven't changed. The ages have changed in basketball. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing that makes it where you could say, Okay,
Speaker 1: the teams of yesteryear would do really well against the
Speaker 1: teams now is because you'd have seniors playing against freshman
Speaker 1: at times you got a surprise team. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be a surprise if you tell me what your
Speaker 1: surprise team is. Yeah, I mean there are a couple
Speaker 1: like the upsets I see are in the West before
Speaker 1: they get their season shut down by Gonzaga. I think
Speaker 1: both UC Santa Barbara and Ohio you are really good
Speaker 1: picks there. Ohio, You's got a player named Jason Preston's
Speaker 1: point guard that is the LaMelo Ball of this tournament.
Speaker 1: He's a triple double guy. The average is about sixteen
Speaker 1: seven and seven and really really talent. He's going to
Speaker 1: be a first round NBA draft pick. And UCSB has
Speaker 1: really good guards. In addition to a fantastic party area
Speaker 1: called Isla Vista, which is a wonderful place if you're
Speaker 1: young and want to have a few beers and enjoy yourself.
Speaker 1: Ila Vista as a place to go. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the first time you played against d Yes right? Absolutely? Um.
Speaker 1: It was at a pickup game in Chapel Hill at
Speaker 1: a place called Woolen. Jim and Uh and we were
Speaker 1: we were the number one ranked recruiting class, and we
Speaker 1: went over to Chapel Hill to play and Uh. And
Speaker 1: after after playing against you, Jordan and those guys, we
Speaker 1: were kind of looking at ourselves, going, I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is gonna This might not have been a
Speaker 1: good decision. And then and then, you know, like people
Speaker 1: would say, hey, did you know in college that Jordan
Speaker 1: was going to be great? Like, yeah, yeah, we did.
Speaker 1: We knew. Um, you know, when you played against him
Speaker 1: and Len Bias and Ralph Sampson, you're kind of going,
Speaker 1: all right, whoever said all men are created? That's ps
Speaker 1: Like that's just not true. I try to tell people
Speaker 1: about Lenn Bias that I you know, he had that
Speaker 1: explosion like Dominique Wilkins type explosion there. But um, but
Speaker 1: he could shoot it too. He was a beautiful jump.
Speaker 1: He was superman like, like we used to call him
Speaker 1: superman because we'd come back to the huddle and one
Speaker 1: of our guys to go, I'm trying to foul him,
Speaker 1: and I can't foul. Did you face Ewing? I did
Speaker 1: in high school. I played against Patrick Ewing in high school.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he well, he probably remembers it,
Speaker 1: not because of anything to do with me. But we
Speaker 1: played at in a like this all star event at
Speaker 1: Pepperdine in Malibu, and one of my teammates, guy named
Speaker 1: Billy Knox, who played at Saint Bernard's High School and
Speaker 1: then went to Saint Mary's, shattered a backboard, uh in
Speaker 1: warm ups, and so that was and then and then
Speaker 1: we wound up playing. So it was it was it
Speaker 1: was fun playing against him. Were you guarding him? Ye
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, he had a good game. I don't
Speaker 1: know if those two things are related. I in a
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about a force in college basketball,
Speaker 1: I love Elijah one, but you know, viewing his presence
Speaker 1: in what he meant to the game, and his coach
Speaker 1: and all of those things, and you know, it's hard
Speaker 1: to describe it to somebody unless they saw it, they
Speaker 1: experienced what Hoya paranoia was all about. Yeah, Hoya paranoia,
Speaker 1: that part of it. And then just how dominant he
Speaker 1: was as a player that you know, back then, the
Speaker 1: center was the feared position, and you know, if you
Speaker 1: were a dominant center, you were the first pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. It wasn't a discussion point. And that's why
Speaker 1: Elijahmah went number one over Jordan or Sam Bowie went
Speaker 1: number two. You know that would never happen today, but
Speaker 1: back then it happened routinely. But when when Ewing dunked it,
Speaker 1: Remember in the title game in eighty two, he was
Speaker 1: goaltending all these shots and the announcers were going, what
Speaker 1: is he doing? And John Thompson knew exactly. He wanted
Speaker 1: to let everybody, you know, he wanted you to let
Speaker 1: everybody know that he was there. They did, and they
Speaker 1: almost won that game. I wonder what Ralph Samson would
Speaker 1: have been like in today's game. It feels like there
Speaker 1: was a Porzingis type feel to him. He would have
Speaker 1: been just as dominant as he was back then. Like
Speaker 1: people forget he was the MVP of the All Star
Speaker 1: Game in five, the average twenty and ten for a
Speaker 1: period of years, but then he got hurt and once
Speaker 1: it was like a thoroughbred horse having bad, bad knees.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. I remember going. I was in Houston
Speaker 1: doing something in the late eighties and I went to
Speaker 1: a game and he was with the Sacramento Kings and
Speaker 1: he couldn't run anymore, and I was It was so
Speaker 1: sad because you know, he was such he was so
Speaker 1: great like he should have been. It was like almost
Speaker 1: like Walton, you know, with his feet, um it diminished
Speaker 1: what he was as a pro. But both of them
Speaker 1: were Hall of famers, Nay Smith, hall of famers on
Speaker 1: their college careers alone. Uh, you know, two of the
Speaker 1: greatest that I've ever played. I think, who did you
Speaker 1: pick to win it all? Yeahza, I think it Zag
Speaker 1: is the best team, UM and Gonzaga in Illinois. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a little bit of chaos
Speaker 1: in the in the first weekend, but I think the
Speaker 1: top teams are pretty strong the one I'm I'm concerned
Speaker 1: about his Michigan because Isaiah Livers has been out and
Speaker 1: if he's not back and then they've got Ella, they
Speaker 1: probably have LSU in the second round. I don't know
Speaker 1: that LSU is going to get beat by Saint Bonaventril,
Speaker 1: though Saint Bonaventure's pretty good. The fighting woad bombs um.
Speaker 1: But I think I think Michigan is the only one
Speaker 1: that that you're going oh man, without Livers, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they could trip up a little bit. Thanks as always,
Speaker 1: Jay will hopefully check in with you during the tournament.
Speaker 1: And my best to the boys there in Bristol. Should
Speaker 1: have been dating last year, Dan. Yeah, a good un
Speaker 1: now now they're going to the n I T I
Speaker 1: know sucks. Yeah, Eastern Kentucky hasn't been the same since
Speaker 1: you left it. Oh my god, you know they have
Speaker 1: been not any good, not any good, Jay, Andy, They've
Speaker 1: been consistent. Thank you Buddin. That's Jay villis a former
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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Let's spring in and spring In. Mike Florio,
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk Live co host. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you make of what we just said there, Mike, but
Speaker 1: we did fill up about four minutes. It allowed me
Speaker 1: to catch up on some text messages, so I appreciate
Speaker 1: that's mclovin being mean to Drew Brees. It wasn't being
Speaker 1: mean to Drew Breese. Look, there are categories like this
Speaker 1: where reasonable minds will differ the thing that impresses me
Speaker 1: the most about Drew Breese. Number one, inch for inch,
Speaker 1: pound for pound, arm strength for arm strength. I think
Speaker 1: he got more out of his God given abilities than
Speaker 1: any other quarterback in the history of the NFL. And
Speaker 1: the statistical things that amazed me the most Dan number one,
Speaker 1: breaking the Johnny Unitis record of consecutive games with a
Speaker 1: touchdown pass forty seven. It stood for so long, unbelievable
Speaker 1: how long it stood. Breeze broke that and extended it
Speaker 1: to fifty four. And also, there had been one five
Speaker 1: thousand yards season before Drew Breese in two thousand and eleven.
Speaker 1: That was Dan Marino. Well, actually Breeze got to five
Speaker 1: thousand before two thousand and eleven. He broke the record
Speaker 1: in eleven. Dan Marino had fifty eighty four in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four. Breeze has five five thousand yards seasons. No
Speaker 1: one else has more than one. Now that's going to
Speaker 1: change with seventeen games and just the way game is moving.
Speaker 1: But just from the standpoint of statistical accomplishment and changing
Speaker 1: the narrative forever when it comes to short quarterbacks, he
Speaker 1: deserves a spot in that top ten, whether it's five,
Speaker 1: whether it's eight, Whether it's ten again, reasonable minds can differ,
Speaker 1: but he's one of the all time grades, and the
Speaker 1: air apparent in New Orleans is going to be I
Speaker 1: think it's Taysom Hill. Sean Payton has set on record
Speaker 1: on multiple occasions he wants Jamis Winston to resign and compete.
Speaker 1: The question is what dollar value can you put onto
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston contract, especially when you're scrambling to get under
Speaker 1: the salary cap as it is, restructuring every contract possible,
Speaker 1: cutting guys that you would like to keep on the team.
Speaker 1: Surely they would have liked to have kept Emmanuel Sanders.
Speaker 1: Some guys you're just going to have to move on
Speaker 1: from that. Hill's making about twelve million this year. Ignore
Speaker 1: the stuff yesterday about the four year, one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty million dollars contract. That's all made up, that's all phony.
Speaker 1: That's explained that though, Mike, because we all looked at it, went, wait,
Speaker 1: what are they doing in New Orleans? Well, we've seen
Speaker 1: this more and more recently, and I think the reduced
Speaker 1: salary cap this year DAN has a lot to do
Speaker 1: with it. Teams are adding voidable years onto contracts so
Speaker 1: they can spread cap dollars. A signing bonus gets spread
Speaker 1: over multiple years, so when you have a guy like
Speaker 1: Taysom who's got one year left on his contract, there's
Speaker 1: nowhere to spread any of the money. So you have
Speaker 1: to do a new contract with voidable years. Voidable means
Speaker 1: fake phony. They're going to go away, the contract disappears,
Speaker 1: so you add four years. And I don't think it
Speaker 1: was an accident that the value was thirty five million
Speaker 1: per year, one hundred and forty million. That's the Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson contract. I think that was kind of an impish
Speaker 1: little wink nod by the Saints and by Taysom Hill
Speaker 1: that they're not going to be getting Russell Wilson or
Speaker 1: even trying to. But that gets presented as four years,
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty million dollars, and it's fake. It's phony.
Speaker 1: It's not real. He's not getting that. But there's people
Speaker 1: out there who see it and they think, oh, they're
Speaker 1: paying him thirty five million a year when they're not.
Speaker 1: It was just a device for creating seven point seven
Speaker 1: five million in cap space that they may end up
Speaker 1: using to keep Jamis Winston will be the top competition
Speaker 1: for Taysom Hill at quarterback. You think Taysom Hill is
Speaker 1: going to be the starting quarterback in New Orleans. I
Speaker 1: think he's got the inside track on the job. He
Speaker 1: passed the test last year when Drew Brees was injured.
Speaker 1: The question is can he stay healthy and counting out
Speaker 1: performed Jamis Winston in a head to head competition. Winston's
Speaker 1: been there for a year. First, Winston has to agree
Speaker 1: to whatever they're offering for him to stay. We'll find
Speaker 1: out afternoon Eastern on Monday, whether or not somebody else
Speaker 1: swoops in and tries to sign him. But Dan, you
Speaker 1: look at it from Winston's perspective, I don't see another
Speaker 1: team that's going to offer him a clear shot to
Speaker 1: a starting job. His best play maybe to take whatever
Speaker 1: you can get in New Orleans, try to secure the
Speaker 1: job this year, win the competition this year, and then
Speaker 1: set himself up for a contract next year. Any news
Speaker 1: on the Russell Wilson front with the Bears offering whatever
Speaker 1: they're supposedly offering, even something that you're not allowed to offer,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, first round picks the next five years,
Speaker 1: which you can only do four years. But we were
Speaker 1: told it was five years, Like Seattle hasn't engaged like
Speaker 1: this is this is a game of tennis, but they
Speaker 1: haven't returned serve here, Mike, Well, I've heard that it's
Speaker 1: crickets right now. As far as any talk about a
Speaker 1: possible trade, that doesn't mean it can't happen. But if
Speaker 1: the Bears are going to do it, they're getting closer
Speaker 1: and close to the point where they have to figure
Speaker 1: out what they're going to do because their Plan B,
Speaker 1: Plan C, Plan D, Plan E, Plan F is going
Speaker 1: to potentially dry up. So you know at some point
Speaker 1: you're going to see the Bears make a move that's
Speaker 1: going to slam the door, just like the Cowboys last
Speaker 1: week with Prescott slams the door. I think the Saints
Speaker 1: doing this restructuring would Taysom help slams the door there.
Speaker 1: Here's the real question that I have because I'm not
Speaker 1: sure the Bears can put together enough of a package
Speaker 1: that would get the Seahawks interest. We know that Mark Rogers,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's agent, has identified four teams Raiders, Bears, Cowboys, Saints.
Speaker 1: Here's the question, are there other teams that he's holding
Speaker 1: back that Russell Wilson would accept a trade to if
Speaker 1: the alternative is staying in Seattle. Could the Panthers make
Speaker 1: a list. Could the Jets, who have that second overall
Speaker 1: pick and four total first round picks over the next
Speaker 1: two years, two of them previously belong to the Seahawks
Speaker 1: before the Jamal Adams trade. Could the Jets be a place?
Speaker 1: Could the Dolphins be a place if it doesn't work
Speaker 1: out with Deshaun Watson. So it makes me wonder are
Speaker 1: there other teams? Were the four just a starting point,
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to take someone who can
Speaker 1: really give the Seahawks an obvious path to a franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback to get this thing done this year. Otherwise, deal
Speaker 1: with the dysfunction for a year and do a trade
Speaker 1: next year, assuming that there is dysfunction. I think the
Speaker 1: Raiders make the most sense out of all this. I
Speaker 1: can get a quarterback in return, because if I'm peaked Carroll,
Speaker 1: I don't want genos like, who's my quarterback here? You
Speaker 1: know Andy Dalton or I mean fill in the blank,
Speaker 1: throw out somebody there. I got to get a franchise
Speaker 1: quarterback of swords, and I got to get draft picks here,
Speaker 1: and that to me makes more sense than the Bears
Speaker 1: do well, and then the question becomes, what John Gruden
Speaker 1: really want to shift from Derek Carr to Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: given what he's going to have to give up to
Speaker 1: get Russell Wilson. You know, John Gruden always wants a
Speaker 1: different quarterback than the one he has, but then the
Speaker 1: opportunity comes to get one, and now, I kind of
Speaker 1: like the guy that I have given that I'd have
Speaker 1: to give up a bunch of stuff to go get
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. You know, Derek Carr's got three years in
Speaker 1: this system. Now he's getting to the point where he's
Speaker 1: comfortable doing what Gruden wants. Gruden has gotten him to
Speaker 1: that level. How long would it take to get Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson to where you need him to be? And on
Speaker 1: the other side of it, too, Dan, when you trade
Speaker 1: for one of these quarterbacks who isn't real happy where
Speaker 1: he currently is, you're inheriting those problems. What if you
Speaker 1: can't protect him the way that he'd like to be protected?
Speaker 1: What happens the next time he's up for a contract.
Speaker 1: He's gonna want to get to forty five million a year.
Speaker 1: Every time he does a new contract, he gets at
Speaker 1: or close to the top of the market. So it's
Speaker 1: not just getting him, it's keeping him. It's an issue too.
Speaker 1: And I just think that even though it's got the
Speaker 1: potential to be an issue that hovers over the Seahawks
Speaker 1: all year long, and any adversity, any issues, any losses,
Speaker 1: any multiple turnover performances, that question is going to come
Speaker 1: up for Pete Carroll, for Russell Wilson, for other players.
Speaker 1: It's the ultimate distraction. But it looks like they're just
Speaker 1: going to try to deal with it for a year
Speaker 1: unless they get blown away by someone and Russell says, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take a trade to that team. Do you think
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, if he goes to a new team, is
Speaker 1: going to stand pat with his current contract given what
Speaker 1: everybody else is making. No, no, no, that's what nobody
Speaker 1: is talking about it. Yes, you're gonna have to give
Speaker 1: up all that stuff to get him, and then as
Speaker 1: soon as he walks through the door, ideally you want
Speaker 1: to get the deal done. I'm not a big fan
Speaker 1: of these contracts we've seen the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: whether it's Laramie Tounsel, Jalen Ramsey, Jamal Adams, you give
Speaker 1: up multiple first round picks for a guy who as
Speaker 1: a contract you're eventually gonna have to deal with. If
Speaker 1: you don't deal with it all the way through the door,
Speaker 1: he has all the leverage as you go forward, because
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do not pay him when you've
Speaker 1: given up multiple first round draft picks to get the guy.
Speaker 1: So we saw the Texans tonsil, we saw the Rams
Speaker 1: arguably overpay Ramsey. We're gonna see the Seahawks potentially overpay Adams.
Speaker 1: I'd want to get a new deal done with Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson on the way in because the thing is over
Speaker 1: the next year or two, it's only going to get
Speaker 1: more expensive. Aaron Jones signing a team friendly contract, would
Speaker 1: you say, Well, the devil's always in the details, and
Speaker 1: the details remain concealed, especially on the first day that
Speaker 1: the news comes out. Look, the Packers could have kept
Speaker 1: him for the next two years under the franchise tag
Speaker 1: at a total payout of nineteen million dollars. My understanding
Speaker 1: haven't seen the numbers yet, but my understanding is this
Speaker 1: four year, forty eight million dollars deal is two years
Speaker 1: nineteen million, and then it's a Packers option for year
Speaker 1: three in year four, Like so many of these deals are,
Speaker 1: it's guaranteed for two years three at the most, and
Speaker 1: then it's a team option every year after that. But
Speaker 1: if they could have kept him for nineteen million under
Speaker 1: the tag for last year and this year, I don't
Speaker 1: know why they'd pay him more than nineteen million to
Speaker 1: sign him to a long term deal, especially when they
Speaker 1: got aj Dillon second round pick last year. What you know,
Speaker 1: Packers fans get salty when I point this out, and
Speaker 1: I don't know whether it's because only Packers fans are
Speaker 1: allowed to say this, but what the hell were they
Speaker 1: doing with their draft picks last year? Could you imagine
Speaker 1: if they had actually invested their first round picking a
Speaker 1: receiver or someone who would have you know, played last year?
Speaker 1: Would that have been the difference in the game against
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers? Would they have gotten to the super Bowl
Speaker 1: and potentially won it? And how can you not be
Speaker 1: questioning what they were thinking about that burning desire to win?
Speaker 1: Now they have a team that's ready to win now, Dan, well,
Speaker 1: they also they draft a quarterback, then they draft a
Speaker 1: running back, right, And you're right, because if I'm Green
Speaker 1: Bay bringing back Aaron Jones's wonder full. I don't have
Speaker 1: a playmaker defensively that you can change a game, and
Speaker 1: my offensive line I still have to make sure I
Speaker 1: shore that up. If you know Tampa is going to
Speaker 1: make another run at this what do you expect to
Speaker 1: happen this week? Any anything big in free agency? Well,
Speaker 1: people are always going to get paid at the top end.
Speaker 1: It may not be as many guys, but the stars
Speaker 1: are going to get paid. This salary cap reduction is
Speaker 1: going to hurt the middle level guys and the one
Speaker 1: position that fascinates. But because we know how important pass
Speaker 1: rush is, there are so many pass rushes available in
Speaker 1: free agency. I think that's why the Buccaneers didn't franchise
Speaker 1: tag Shack Barrett, and I have a feeling they're gonna
Speaker 1: let him walk away because two years ago Dan they
Speaker 1: got him for one year, four million dollars and he
Speaker 1: had nineteen and a half sacks. There are so many
Speaker 1: names out there of guys that you could plug into
Speaker 1: that defense, and maybe they just get another Shack Barrett
Speaker 1: from twenty nineteen instead of breaking the bank to keep him,
Speaker 1: let someone else pay and let him get his reward.
Speaker 1: You could get two or three guys or more to
Speaker 1: a dress other needs on your team than what it
Speaker 1: would be in comparison to pay Shack barretts. So I
Speaker 1: think he gets paid by somebody who just wants to
Speaker 1: be able to hold up in New Jersey and say
Speaker 1: we took Tampa Bay's best defensive player. Meanwhile, Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: is gonna find somebody who dollar for dollar has more production.
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett's in our Brackett challenge as you are as well.
Speaker 1: Do you know anything about college basketb on? Nothing? Okay, nothing,
Speaker 1: you probably do well. I usually know very little. This year,
Speaker 1: it's less than ever before. I'm just gonna I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do, just random flip a coin
Speaker 1: something I'm gonna but I can't do any worse than
Speaker 1: if I actually knew anything. I've tried it that way.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. Thank you, Mike. Great to talk to you,
Speaker 1: See you, Dan, Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday
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Speaker 1: Peacock app. The Georgetown head coach Patrick heuing, my hoy
Speaker 1: is joining us on the program. Coach, how much celebrating
Speaker 1: did you do after the win on Saturday? First of all, Dan,
Speaker 1: it's always great to be on UM. We celebrated a
Speaker 1: lot in the locker room. On the bus ride back
Speaker 1: to the hotel. Uh stayed a little bit. I know
Speaker 1: that my players, they probably stayed up the whole night talking.
Speaker 1: Some of them they took they took turns taking the
Speaker 1: trophy to their to their room. I know they left me.
Speaker 1: I took the ball with being in one of the nets.
Speaker 1: So because I'm I'm getting that put in my office.
Speaker 1: But we had a great night of celebration, and you
Speaker 1: know too for what we have accomplished. But you know which,
Speaker 1: we're saving the entire the rest of the celebration, hopefully
Speaker 1: when we get to the end of this road. Did
Speaker 1: it dawn on you as you're up on the ladder
Speaker 1: cutting down that net that you did that as a
Speaker 1: nineteen year old in the same building. You know, I
Speaker 1: really I didn't think about it. The only thing I
Speaker 1: thought about was that, you know, someone told me that
Speaker 1: on that night. That night was the night that coach
Speaker 1: Thompson got hired at Georgetown. You know, forty nine years ago.
Speaker 1: So that made it even more special, Uh, to see
Speaker 1: how far we have come from him being the coach
Speaker 1: there on on that day and fast forward and all
Speaker 1: those decades later to us and me being one of
Speaker 1: the well the first to win it as a player
Speaker 1: and as a coach. You got that coach's postseason voice.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing, you know it was. It was
Speaker 1: a lot worse on Saturday's starting to get a little
Speaker 1: better now. You know, my players are like, I can't
Speaker 1: hear well, they might say that to you. You know,
Speaker 1: at other times during the coach, I couldn't hear what
Speaker 1: you were saying. Yeah, you know it could be good
Speaker 1: and bad. What was the pregame speech like before you
Speaker 1: played Credon? Uh? You know all all I would say
Speaker 1: before we came to problem, Before we came to New York,
Speaker 1: we kept talking about taking steps. It has been a
Speaker 1: trying year for not only us, but everyone in every sport.
Speaker 1: Shut downs, you know, COVID, people getting sick, all that,
Speaker 1: all of those different things. But once we got locked
Speaker 1: in and you know, we just talked about taking steps
Speaker 1: and it was funny. Leading up to the Big East Tournament,
Speaker 1: we had some terrible practices. So I'm like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna show up and not even compete.
Speaker 1: But they they locked in, they took the steps that
Speaker 1: was needed. They came prepared, and they came ready, and
Speaker 1: we got the job done. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: reading too much into this. I did text you after
Speaker 1: the game. But the security issue when you show up
Speaker 1: and they're checking to see your credential or asking for
Speaker 1: your credential? Um, did your team rally around that? Like?
Speaker 1: Did they know what happened? Um? They were there for
Speaker 1: the first time I got stopped, but I'm sure they
Speaker 1: weren't thinking about it. Uh, you know, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is, Dan, you know, Uh, missus Dolan and
Speaker 1: I we talked about it. It's in it's in the background. Um,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking I'm thinking about now is
Speaker 1: just doing the best job we can do to one
Speaker 1: get pass Colorado and whoever is next. You should have
Speaker 1: worn your Knicks uniform before you played, just just so
Speaker 1: they would know. How do they not know who you are? Well?
Speaker 1: You know. And the second time I got stopped I
Speaker 1: got stopped was um I went to use the restroom. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I came. I was walking back to the Lawecker room,
Speaker 1: and because you know all these different teams in there,
Speaker 1: there's not enough locker rooms. So what our locker rooms?
Speaker 1: They made uh you know, a space right outside of
Speaker 1: the nick the nick on the next locker room, and
Speaker 1: I made it into a locker room. So I was
Speaker 1: walking back from the locker room the yea and the
Speaker 1: lady was like, I need your pass, and you know,
Speaker 1: first I got upset because I'm like, you know, it's
Speaker 1: in the middle of the game. And then I said, miss,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be trying to be rude, but
Speaker 1: you see that that picture that's you're standing right there,
Speaker 1: that's my picture right there, So I shouldn't need a
Speaker 1: pass and not anyway, I'm just going to the restaurant
Speaker 1: to get back to the locker room. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: is what it is. Dan. You know, people make mistakes,
Speaker 1: you know, not everybody, uh know who I am. I
Speaker 1: understand that I've played there a long It's been a
Speaker 1: long time since I played there, but uh, it ticked
Speaker 1: me off then, but it's in the past. He's Patrick Ewing.
Speaker 1: They got Colorado coming up on Saturday. You remember your
Speaker 1: first NCAA tournament game. No, I don't, as it's been
Speaker 1: so long. Um. I remember a lot of them, but
Speaker 1: I don't remember which team or who we played first.
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy playing? I know it may sound strange,
Speaker 1: but sometimes people do things because they're really good at it.
Speaker 1: But did you enjoy it? I love playing. You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because you know, moving here from Jamaica, I
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about basketball. You know, I knew I
Speaker 1: was soccer. I wanted to be the next Pelee. Um,
Speaker 1: so I knew soccer a new cricket because you know,
Speaker 1: Jamaica was one and once colonized by the British. So
Speaker 1: when I moved to America and started playing basketball, I
Speaker 1: was terrible at it. I was I was twelve years old.
Speaker 1: I was six eleven, I mean five eleven. Uh, you know, uncoordinated. Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know I wasn't very good and they would
Speaker 1: laugh at me. It would tease me, you know, one
Speaker 1: which even told me that I would never be anything.
Speaker 1: And so if I listened to those negative, negative things,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have became to put the person that I became.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I kept playing it is because
Speaker 1: I love this game. So much. I didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be an NBA player or anything.
Speaker 1: I just realized that I loved doing this thing that
Speaker 1: much that even if I never became great at it,
Speaker 1: I enjoyed doing it. I'm not going to let anyone
Speaker 1: stop me from doing it. How were you at soccer?
Speaker 1: Were you any good at soccer? I thought I was good,
Speaker 1: but I was twilled. Did you ever talk to that
Speaker 1: coach who said you never amount to anything? I would
Speaker 1: see it when I go back, when I would go
Speaker 1: back to Cambridge, I just I just would remember it.
Speaker 1: But I just left it alone. And you know, when
Speaker 1: you're trying to get through to kids and you have
Speaker 1: kids of your own, right, do you think about what
Speaker 1: coach Thompson was doing? And you know, now you're in
Speaker 1: his position where you're you're trying to relate to kids
Speaker 1: that you're a lot older than. I think you're fifty nine,
Speaker 1: fifty eight years of age. You're coming up on the Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I mean you're you're trying to relate to these kids.
Speaker 1: How hard is that? Yeah? You know, it's it's a
Speaker 1: different era. Um, you know what coach Dobson used to
Speaker 1: do to us, um, I don't think I can do now. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know you talk to him, you know, but I
Speaker 1: do some of the things that he did do I
Speaker 1: still try to do, talking to him about life after basketball,
Speaker 1: talking about talking to him about their education, talking about
Speaker 1: you know, everybody that plays college sport, their dream is
Speaker 1: to get to the NBA. Well, here here I am.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm a person who have been in
Speaker 1: your shoes and have made it to the mountaintop. Everything
Speaker 1: that you're trying to, uh try to get done, I
Speaker 1: have done. So I'm ana walk. I'm anna walking almanac.
Speaker 1: So ask me any questions you want, and you know
Speaker 1: I keep are to tell him if you want to
Speaker 1: be good at anything, anything, any walk of life, if
Speaker 1: you don't put the time in, if you don't work
Speaker 1: ethic work at it, you will never be good. I
Speaker 1: don't care how much talent you have. There's been a
Speaker 1: lot of people who try to make it to the
Speaker 1: NBA with all the talent in the world, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't and it don't work out. So you have to
Speaker 1: make sure that you prepare yourself. Who did you hear
Speaker 1: from that might surprise us? After you went on Saturday
Speaker 1: and made it into the tournament. I heard from everyone.
Speaker 1: I heard from Charles, I heard from Michael, Chris Mullen,
Speaker 1: you know all the other Big East coaches. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was expecting to her from Barack Obama
Speaker 1: or President Clinton. President Clinton always reach out to me
Speaker 1: for my birthday because he's in the George. He's a
Speaker 1: Georgetown a lump. But I was waiting for that, for
Speaker 1: that call. I didn't get it, though. Wait, you didn't
Speaker 1: hear from Barack Obama or Bill Clinton. No, well, I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting. Maybe they're waiting for when we win it.
Speaker 1: I think they're waiting. They're waiting until after this Saturday.
Speaker 1: But when you face Colorado, you should just why don't
Speaker 1: you go into the locker room prior to Colorado and
Speaker 1: just put on highlights of you at Georgetown, just letting
Speaker 1: your kids see, like this is what basketball used to
Speaker 1: be all about. Well, you know, they would probably think
Speaker 1: I'm bragging. All coaches just bragging. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: it was funny. So I'm gonna tell you a quick story.
Speaker 1: So one of my one of my players, you know,
Speaker 1: he comes to me after practice. He's like, uh, I
Speaker 1: think Tim Eagle Helfey would have dominated you back in college,
Speaker 1: and I said, really, are you? Are you what? I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to go get you tested right now? I said, Man,
Speaker 1: are you crazy? I went number one, number one overall
Speaker 1: and Tim is a good, very good player for us.
Speaker 1: But there's no way, heck that he would have been
Speaker 1: able to dominate Wait, so he thinks one of your
Speaker 1: players could dominate you? Right? It was just Joe. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just joking. But he does you know, we
Speaker 1: talked trash to each other, you know, all day long,
Speaker 1: don't you. Don't you wish you were twenty years of
Speaker 1: age for like ten minutes now, Well, I would love
Speaker 1: to be And I don't know about twenty, but I
Speaker 1: say about twenty five. With a type of money that
Speaker 1: they're given out right now, I would definitely get one
Speaker 1: of those three hundred million dollar contracts. What did Jordan
Speaker 1: say to you with your text? Um? He just wanted
Speaker 1: to congratulate me. You know, he and I have been
Speaker 1: friends for so long, and he didn't just call me
Speaker 1: after that game. After every game, he would, you know,
Speaker 1: either send a text or cole Um. You know, I
Speaker 1: want to take my hat off to him because he's
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm coaching. You know, he gave me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be a coach in Washington when he
Speaker 1: when he brought me on the staff with Doug Collins staff,
Speaker 1: And that's when I fell in love with love with
Speaker 1: the love with being fell in love with being a coach.
Speaker 1: So I want to take my I had to him
Speaker 1: and tell him thanks. And I'm guessing, well, I'll ask you,
Speaker 1: what do you think Coach Thompson would have said to
Speaker 1: you after Saturday night? Um, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of different things that would be some
Speaker 1: definitely profanities, but uh, you know, he just say, look,
Speaker 1: we've come a long way. They've been like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're shutting a lot of people up for not giving
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to to be a coach in the NBA. Um,
Speaker 1: you know they think that big people can't coach or
Speaker 1: big people can't think. But just keep on doing the
Speaker 1: things that you're doing, keep on working at your craft.
Speaker 1: And uh, that's the diplomatic way of saying it. But
Speaker 1: there'd be a lot of other things in there, like
Speaker 1: he always said he had a PhD. And profanity. Can
Speaker 1: I get your Big East Tournament credential? That's a souvenir,
Speaker 1: our biggest tournament credential. You know. Uh, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this is it right here? Ah? There you go, Champions,
Speaker 1: Champions T shirt, Champions T shirt? And that is that
Speaker 1: the game ball? Yes it is, Yes, it is. You
Speaker 1: know I told the players that they could they could
Speaker 1: play around with the trophy. I'm taking the ball and
Speaker 1: I'm taking the net. Net is over here as well.
Speaker 1: So all of this will be going into my office,
Speaker 1: put it in a case, and hopefully many more moments there.
Speaker 1: I know you've got a good recruiting class coming in.
Speaker 1: Is the Keim Bays. Did Keim Matomo's son coming into
Speaker 1: Georgetown next years? Done? Yes? Did you Did you have
Speaker 1: to go and recruit him? Did you have to go
Speaker 1: to the kem Bay's house and recruit him? Well, I'm
Speaker 1: fortunately because of the COVID okay, I'm able to go
Speaker 1: to weren't able to go to his house. Since he's
Speaker 1: already signed his let up intent, I can talk about him. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's coming. I'm looking forward to coaching him. He'll be
Speaker 1: He's another one of the joy of Grace, the next
Speaker 1: generation of the Joy of Grace. My son went here
Speaker 1: Alonzo son went here and now the camp Bay's son,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to the opportunity to coach him,
Speaker 1: kick him in his butt, and try to tell him
Speaker 1: that he's better than his dad. So I said, we
Speaker 1: got a lot of work to do to get you there.
Speaker 1: What do you think when you see de Kembay and
Speaker 1: those Guy Coo commercials, I said, it's funny as here.
Speaker 1: I said, boy, the first day I met you, I
Speaker 1: didn't understand a word you were saying. And still in
Speaker 1: the damn commercial, I don't understand a word you're saying. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: not in my house. Yeah, he's such a goof Paul. Hey, congrats,
Speaker 1: say Travels have fun against Colorado on Saturday. Now, I
Speaker 1: appreciate it that I'm here, stuck in my room. We
Speaker 1: here quarantine and so I don't have too much to do.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate. It's always great to be on your show.