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Speaker 1: Is this a great game or what?

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Speaker 2: And our special guest today is former Major league catcher

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Speaker 2: Caleb Joseph, who's now an analyst on TV doing the

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Speaker 2: Blue Jay Games. Caleb, this is my son Jeff. He

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Speaker 2: has the same terrible voice as me.

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Speaker 3: Say Hi, hello, Jeff, how you doing?

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Speaker 4: And no, it's a distinct voice and very very clear

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Speaker 4: that you know when you hear that voice, we all

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Speaker 4: know who that is.

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Speaker 1: So Caleb, tell us what happened just now.

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Speaker 5: You're a little bit late to the taping of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 3: You can't make this stuff up to I've never had

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Speaker 3: this happen before.

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Speaker 4: I get to my hotel room, trying to get ready,

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Speaker 4: trying to get prepared nice and early for this show,

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Speaker 4: and I go to use my key. I put the

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Speaker 4: key up against the door and nothing's working. I think

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Speaker 4: I've deactivated it with my phone.

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Speaker 3: It happened.

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Speaker 4: That happens all the time, right, So I take it

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Speaker 4: downstairs and I said, hey, my key needs to be reactivated,

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Speaker 4: and they said, okay, youah, no problem, And she's she's

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Speaker 4: figuring out how to reactivate it. She says, did you

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Speaker 4: see any lights on the door? Did it flash red

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Speaker 4: or any lights and I said no, there wasn't any lights,

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Speaker 4: and she goes, okay, just wait up there, we're gonna

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Speaker 4: send somebody up there. And I thought, uh what, I

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Speaker 3: Like private to a minute.

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Speaker 4: I reactivate, They just reactivate the card, like it's just dead.

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Speaker 4: Just reactivated, you know, that's all I need, Just just reactivation.

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Speaker 3: It's it that comes.

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Speaker 4: Up and he goes, okay, yeah, and he takes apart

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Speaker 4: the door. He takes apart the door, entire door, the

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Speaker 4: door is off the engine. I'm going, what, like, what's

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Speaker 4: going on here? He's doing major surgery on my door.

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Speaker 4: And apparently there's a battery on the part of the

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Speaker 4: door that you have to use your key card, and

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Speaker 4: so he took apart that whole thing. It was like

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Speaker 4: ninety six pieces, looked like a jigsaw pustle laying out

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Speaker 4: on my you know, my floor right here. And so anyways,

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Speaker 4: I was able to get back into my hotel just now.

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Speaker 4: But yes, the battery that really gets the key.

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Speaker 3: Card, you know, started then unlock the actual door. The

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Speaker 3: battery was not working. And I've never had that happen before.

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Speaker 4: We've had cards all the time, but like the actual

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Speaker 4: battery needed to be replaced, which created major surgery.

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Speaker 3: I love that one.

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Speaker 6: I worry now because you know how everybody gets nervous

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Speaker 6: when you see the air conditioning trucks roll through your

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Speaker 6: neighborhood because all of your houses are built at the

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Speaker 6: same time. So now it's like, oh that twenty year mark,

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Speaker 6: everyone's getting their AC change. I bet multiple doors for

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Speaker 6: this poor guy doing surgery.

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Speaker 1: All the batteries are dying.

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Speaker 3: No, he had, he had. He just told me he

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Speaker 3: had has done four of them too.

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Speaker 4: No today, Oh, he's probably probably on call and not

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Speaker 3: He might be sitting at a hotel lot.

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Speaker 1: Caleb, I'm sixty eight years old.

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Speaker 2: We used to put a key in the door in

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Speaker 2: order to open it up, and now we've gone so

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Speaker 1: Now we have these cards, and now we have.

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Speaker 5: To take the door off its hinges so you can

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Speaker 4: So Tim, those keys they had like the little holes

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Speaker 4: in it, right, and you would yeah, I remember those

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Speaker 4: amazing like swiss cheep, like swiss cheap hard just a

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Speaker 1: So good, all right.

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Speaker 2: So before we get to the blue Jays, before we

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Speaker 2: get to the playoffs. I really got to know Caleb

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Speaker 2: Joseph ten years ago when he caught Jeff in the

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Speaker 2: fanless game in Baltimore in two thousand and fifteen. And

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Speaker 2: just to explain, there was civil unrest in Baltimore. No

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Speaker 2: the media. And Caleb caught that game, So tell us

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Speaker 2: because you were great after. What was that like being

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was absolutely unique at that point.

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Speaker 4: Of course, fast forward a couple of years later and

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Speaker 4: And I remember being kind of the first one on

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Speaker 3: Streets that were two hundred and fifty yards away. It

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Speaker 4: I wasn't really thinking that cameras were rolling like there

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Speaker 3: I run on the field and I start signing.

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Speaker 4: Autographs and like waving to people, trying, you know, trying

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to be normal in my own

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Speaker 4: And apparently some people were actually doing their jobs which

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Speaker 3: And I'm out there just.

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Speaker 4: Hoowing, you know, in a way, doing all this crazy stuff.

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Speaker 4: And I would not have done it if I knew

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Speaker 4: the cameras were there, But it was. It was a

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Speaker 4: cool game to be a part of. I remember Jerry

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Speaker 3: I mean he'd be back there and go, but in

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Speaker 4: Going right what And it was like it was I

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Speaker 4: could literally hear Gary Thorne up in the booth saying, well, Caleb,

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Speaker 4: Joseph now.

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Speaker 3: One for his last thirty six and I'm one for

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Speaker 4: My god, I gotta get this together, you know, And

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Speaker 3: Inning went from a nine to about a one and

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Speaker 4: Like it just it turned into a kind of like

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Speaker 2: Was saying, Jeff, I remember Caleb telling me after the

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Speaker 2: the announcements in the press box. Attention press, this is

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Speaker 2: the first time since twenty twelve that the Oriels have

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Speaker 2: scored six runs of the first in Again, he says, wow,

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Speaker 2: that's really interesting, like he's catching the game.

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Speaker 4: Eh oh yeah, No, it was incredible. It was you

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Speaker 4: could hear these in game stats. Shoot, a couple of

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Speaker 3: The Bullsen you're tall.

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Speaker 3: Oh we got a guy warming up. Okay, thanks for

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Speaker 4: And what was funny too, is you know Jeff Samarsha,

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Speaker 4: and very fierce competitor. Well, he was not having a

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Speaker 3: You can see it in the veins sometimes, but like

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Speaker 2: And Jeff Chris Davis hit a homer in the first

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Speaker 2: inning and I'll never forget this, Caleb. It was total

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Speaker 2: sign lets as a guy ran around the bases after

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Speaker 2: hitting the four hundred and twenty foot homer. Caleb, you

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Speaker 2: remember that that must have been the weirdest thing in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you remember the Field of Dreams when the players

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, that's all we heard when Chris Davis

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Speaker 4: We just heard him running about around the basis and

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Speaker 4: great job, because it's echoing.

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Speaker 3: You're like the job. It was just it was so unique,

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Speaker 2: But buckshow all the funniest man in the world's strangest man.

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Speaker 1: Great, this man love him so much.

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Speaker 2: He told me after the game, I didn't have to

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Speaker 2: I just yelled, get Britain up. I mean, that was

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Speaker 4: About, so unique, so wild, and we thought that was

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Speaker 3: So we got there. Yeah you did it before it

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Speaker 1: Yeah you did it before before it was better. Go ahead, Jeff.

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Speaker 6: So, speaking of homers, you hit a homer in five

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Speaker 6: consecutive games. Caleb and I was driving home from my

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Speaker 6: here I am thinking, at what point, you know, back

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Speaker 6: at what point did you feel the pressure or was

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Speaker 6: it always just like.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this would be cool?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I felt the pressure for sure, probably after

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Speaker 4: the third one. This is probably my greatest Major League

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Speaker 4: feet by far. I hit five homers in five straight games,

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Speaker 4: but they weren't all in the same series. This was

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Speaker 4: like four different series as well, because I wasn't playing

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Speaker 4: of the coolest feats of all time.

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Speaker 3: I'm really proud of.

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Speaker 4: I do have to say, the same guy that hit

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Speaker 4: five homers in five straight games has broken one hundred

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Speaker 4: and like twenty five year record of not securing an RBI.

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Speaker 3: In an entire So I want to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Peaks and valleys. We will talk about that season if

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Speaker 4: you want as well, but this is the.

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Speaker 3: One I am proud about.

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Speaker 4: But like highs and loans, that was my career, you know,

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Speaker 4: the heartbeat monitor like that was that was my career.

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Speaker 4: But this five and five straight games was pretty unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Tell Caleb the story about what Adam what Adam Dunn's

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Speaker 2: I asked Adam Dunn, I said, did you get any

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Speaker 5: So I assume Caleb, you didn't, how bad it was,

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Speaker 5: That's not how it works. But teammates and everyone, we're

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Speaker 1: On this, right.

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Speaker 4: Tapping me on the back and they knew, like it

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Speaker 3: It's cool, little bag.

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Speaker 6: And you did clearly. But the difficulty of the game.

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Speaker 1: You would you agree that having this.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no question. I love Bob User and love him

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Speaker 4: Can you not love that guy? And gift of the gaft,

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Speaker 3: Make people like that's my style.

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Speaker 3: But being able to poke fund yourself is important.

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Speaker 1: To get this.

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Speaker 2: Today, October seventh is the anniversary of the day that

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Speaker 7: Bob Youger, you can't make it, he is, Dad, what

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Caleb.

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Speaker 2: So Bob is now trying to tell the fans, hey, look,

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Speaker 1: That's the point.

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Speaker 2: This game is so difficult to play that if you

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Speaker 4: You had to have those guys in the clubhouse that

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Speaker 4: Then you get to the big leagues and you realize, Wow,

446
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,439
Speaker 4: it's really truly all about winning at all costs and

447
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 4: it gets.

448
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 3: Really serious really quick. And to have those.

449
00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 4: Guys that can bring levity to remind us we're playing

450
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 4: a kid's game that is incredibly difficult.

451
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Speaker 3: Those people, those.

452
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Speaker 1: Moments, and Caleb, we don't us.

453
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Speaker 6: We usually complement our guests the episode after, but I've

454
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 6: found in two years of doing this podcast, some of

455
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 6: our best guests aren't with all due respect to Johnny

456
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 6: Bench and cawrip Ken Junior, and the big names are

457
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 6: the Steve Sparks, David Ross, Caleb Joseph. Because some people

458
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 6: are being introduced to Caleb Joseph more than just the

459
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 6: name on the back, or oh I remember, yeah he

460
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 6: caught a couple of years ago. Yeah, because you have

461
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 6: such an interesting perspective. Guys like you are what make

462
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 6: major League baseball great, and you're right win it at

463
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 6: all costs. But damn, one hundred and sixty two games

464
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 6: just start in February and sometimes sure not ending until

465
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 6: if you're lucky, November. We better have some lass in

466
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 6: the clubhouts, or else this is the worst job ever.

467
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 4: I remember twenty twenty, I was with the Toronto Blue

468
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,440
Speaker 4: Jays and the team was heading towards a playoff run.

469
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 4: They hadn't made the playoffs in a while, and they

470
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: weren't really expected to. It was kind of the first

471
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 4: full season for Guerrero, Junior, Bobachett, even a couple of

472
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 4: those younger players, and so they're really starting to take off.

473
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 4: But we hit like a four or five game losing streak,

474
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 4: and I was kind of the class clown of the team.

475
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 4: I was a taxi squad player that year, so I

476
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 4: was active but only for three games, and I was

477
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Speaker 4: around the team.

478
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Speaker 3: But not really. I was sort of like a player coach.

479
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Speaker 4: Well, I get a call from Charlie Montoya and he's like, hey,

480
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 4: we really got to get this team back on track.

481
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 4: You know, only sixty game season, five or six game

482
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: losing streak feels like a fifteen game losing streak.

483
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 3: So he said, hey, like we got to get this

484
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 3: team on track. You know, can you do something? And

485
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I got you.

486
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 4: So, you know, team meeting, right, try not to have

487
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 4: any of those, because that means it's usually not going well.

488
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Speaker 3: Team meeting.

489
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: I think there's maybe ten or twelve games left and

490
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: everything's fine if we just keep moving forward. We can't

491
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 4: go into a nine to ten to eleven game losing streak.

492
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Speaker 4: So Skipper has the meeting, A couple of people say

493
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: something and then you know, of course here I come.

494
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Speaker 3: I was. I'll say this. I was.

495
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: I was barely closed. I did have a very yeah.

496
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: I had some socks on. I had a trap on

497
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: and that might have been it. And I had eyeblacks,

498
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 4: and you know, I was, I was ready.

499
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Speaker 3: I battle gloves held. I mean I was. And I

500
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: came in and I gave the guys a little pump

501
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: up speech and it was, uh, probably centered around one

502
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: classic movie Major League and maybe the Yeah, and I

503
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: was talking in that you know that voice a little bit,

504
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 3: and I was.

505
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Speaker 4: Like, all right, guys, we've had a great season today.

506
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 4: But look, it's not about losing five in a row.

507
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 4: We gotta have some fun out there, guys, you know.

508
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 4: And I was, I was trying to like Canner my inner,

509
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 4: I'm losing his name.

510
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Speaker 3: It's not.

511
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Speaker 1: I know you're talking about it.

512
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 3: It'll hit me in a second.

513
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Speaker 4: See, this is what happens when you play catcher for

514
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 4: ten years and and you're five five years removed. All

515
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 4: those foul balls to the face that feel like Mike

516
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,159
Speaker 4: Tyson punches, they start scrambling your brains up and you

517
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 4: start brown. Yes, Lou Brown, So Lou Brown, and you

518
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 4: know Lou Brown. All right, guys, we won a game yesterday.

519
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,920
Speaker 4: If we win one day, that's called the winning freak.

520
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 4: So like I went in there and tried to pump

521
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 4: them up. I mean, that was like, that's who I

522
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 4: love to be.

523
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 3: That was my goal.

524
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 4: And of course the guys, the guys had an absolute

525
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: blast with it.

526
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: And I set it up at the very end.

527
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 4: We had we had a Japanese player at the very end,

528
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: and so I come in and I do the whole

529
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: thing or whatever, and everybody.

530
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 3: Relaxed out there.

531
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Speaker 4: We're having done, you know, and and does anyone have

532
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 4: anything else to say?

533
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 7: That?

534
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Speaker 3: If you've seen the movie, you know the Japanese players like, okay,

535
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: so I had I had shun Yamagucchi are Japanese player.

536
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 3: I showed him the clip beforehand. I showed him. I said, hey,

537
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: when I say this, I need you to just say

538
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: some crazy stuff in Japanese, all right, very enthusiastic, and

539
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: he was like, I got you, I got you so

540
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: like I so.

541
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 4: Does anybody finished? Like, does anybody got anything to say?

542
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: And shun Yamagucci's like and the whole like the whole

543
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 4: the whole clubhouse went nuts. They loved it because they

544
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: got it, like they got the reference when we went

545
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 4: out and we beat the Phillies and everything was fine

546
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: after that. But just like that little piece of levity,

547
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 4: it may or may not it worked, but you just

548
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: you try and keep the guys loose in like laughing

549
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: and humor alleviates so much pressure.

550
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've talked, we've interviewed managers here Caleb on the show,

551
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 6: and you know, hearing about what some of these guys do,

552
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 6: whether it's in spring training or mid season, just to

553
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 6: kind of lighten it up a little bit. Joe Madden

554
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 6: comes to mind, Dad just things would do in spring

555
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 6: training in order to lighten things up, and players too.

556
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: It's just so important.

557
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 6: Because that community within the clubhouse is everything for a

558
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 6: good team.

559
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: You don't want to be able to hate each other

560
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: out there. You're not gonna win. Absolutely, cayleb, you played

561
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: with your brother.

562
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: Your brother is what a couple of years younger than you, right,

563
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: What was that like playing in the big leagues with

564
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Speaker 2: your brother.

565
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Speaker 4: Outstanding? It was a literal dream come true. My parents

566
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: still ran and rave about it. We were drafted the

567
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: same day that little booger was drafted, three rounds ahead

568
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 4: of me, high.

569
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 3: School draft pick two. You know, like Yankee. You know,

570
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 3: I'm going, ah wow, that's little brother, just totally. Tommy

571
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 3: topped older brother here.

572
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 4: So he was a fourth round draft pick of the Yankees,

573
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 4: and then I was a seventh round draft pick out

574
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: of the Orioles out of college.

575
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 3: And he actually made it to the big leagues before

576
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: I did. In twenty thirteen. He actually made Oh you

577
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: love this, Timmy, you will love this. He made major

578
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 3: league history. Not sure if it's still intact. But he

579
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 3: made major league history on his debut in Cleveland. He's

580
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 3: the first player at that time to dh sorry to play,

581
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: make his debut in a doubleheader and play both games.

582
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: Really at that point, he was the first player.

583
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 4: Most players, as you would as you would think, if

584
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: they make their debut, they're being called up to pitch

585
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 4: or start one of those games, and then maybe they're

586
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: twenty six man.

587
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 3: And then they're out.

588
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 4: He started both games in his debut, played second base

589
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: one game, gave Jeter one of the days off, and

590
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 4: then the second game he played first base and gave

591
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: Giambi a day off, and so he played both games.

592
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 4: Got his first hit off of Trevor Bauers.

593
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: So anyways, he could hit. He was a really good hitter,

594
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: and he made it up before me.

595
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 4: But then had six years in between appearances, bounced around

596
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: a couple of times, and he finally made it back up.

597
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: And yes, it was in Washington. I'll never forget. It

598
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: was amazing, just.

599
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 3: Like, holy crap, like this is actually happening.

600
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 4: It's so hard to get two brothers in professional baseball,

601
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 4: much less in the same league, much less in the

602
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 4: same division, much less on the same team, and I

603
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: just really couldn't believe it was happening. It was great

604
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 4: until I think like the six or seventh inning he

605
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: hit for me, and then I was I was like,

606
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: all right, yeah, you can go like I don't like

607
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 4: this is embarrassing.

608
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 3: Now you're like buck pinch it for him. I was like, oh, like,

609
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: this is.

610
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 6: Like he is getting drafted ahead of you, make his

611
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 6: major league debut ahead of you, and then replacing you

612
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 6: as a pitch.

613
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, humble pie was just I was just shoving it

614
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: in my mind.

615
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: So we have a small family story that Jeffrey reminded

616
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 2: me of. My oldest brother, Andy was the best player

617
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 2: maybe ever to play at Catholic University catcher. My other brother,

618
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: Matt was a really good infielder and he played second

619
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: base as a freshman. So Andy made a throw to

620
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: his freshman brother in a game on a steel play,

621
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 2: and my brother Matt dropped the ball and the guy

622
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: was safe at second even though my cannon armed oldest

623
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: brother made a perfect throw.

624
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: So after the inning, my oldest brother goes to my.

625
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Other brother and says, Matt, if you're going to play

626
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: at this level, you have to be able to make

627
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: that play.

628
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: So Jeffrey asked, did it ever.

629
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: Happen to you anywhere along the line where older brother

630
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Catcher makes a great throw to younger brother at second

631
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: or short and something bad happens. Did that ever happen

632
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: to you?

633
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 3: Hmmm? High school?

634
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 4: Yes, I can remember it like it was yesterday. High

635
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: school baseball game. I think it was a fallball game.

636
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 4: So this this was a little bit of a preview.

637
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: I vividly remember. This was at Brentwood High School, the

638
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 4: same high school that Robbie Ray went to.

639
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: Robby Ray grew up playing a little bit with my brother.

640
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 4: They're pretty much the same age and Brentwood High School.

641
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: It's a fallball game. He's playing second base. He was

642
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 4: a freshman when I was a senior, and I come

643
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: up and fire one down there and he just clanks it.

644
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 4: Guy's safe, And I'm telling you, I was ready to

645
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: ring his neck. The problem is he's a little bit

646
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 4: bigger and stronger than me, so I couldn't really like

647
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: actually say anything to him because I was afraid he'd

648
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 4: go look like like So I kind of like gave

649
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: him the eye, like you you should really catch that

650
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: next time, please hurt me.

651
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: But we had a little chat and I do remember that.

652
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 3: Oh this, you'll love this.

653
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 4: I think I'm not sure if this has ever happened before,

654
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,479
Speaker 4: but we I feel like my brother and I were

655
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: really close many many years ago, two thousand and five

656
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 4: of like making probably baseball world history.

657
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: If I had to guess, two brothers, same game, CYO,

658
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: in the same.

659
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: Game, you and your brother hit.

660
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: So here's the catch.

661
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 4: We we almost did it, and it's it was my

662
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: four tim Tim my brother hits for the cycle. Oh

663
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: this is like in a state championship game as well,

664
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: like a game to get to the state championship.

665
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: Wasn't some random like this was a big game. My

666
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 3: brother hits for the cycle.

667
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: I have triple double homer and I I because we

668
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: run ruled them. I struck out in my last half

669
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: bat and I I couldn't even get a single. But

670
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 4: if if it would have happened, I think that might

671
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: have made like baseball.

672
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: No team has ever had two players hit for the

673
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: cycle in the same game. And if it were had

674
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: been brothers, it wouldn't have just broken a baseball record,

675
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: it would have broken an all time history of.

676
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: Any sport record.

677
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 5: Two brothers and and you blew it by punching out.

678
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's count it. Let's just count it, Caleb.

679
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: I always quiz Jeffrey on the show. So maybe we

680
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: can teach Caleb something here. Jeff, give us four players

681
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: who never hit for the cycle in a major league game.

682
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Oh god, Jeff, Okay, we've been.

683
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 3: All over that.

684
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 6: Okay, uh Hank Aaron never did. Right, I don't think

685
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 6: Babe Ruth did, Willie Mays never never did, and Barry Body.

686
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: Never hit for the cycle a major league game. The

687
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: beauty of the sport, Caleb, Right, I mean we have

688
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: benjam Alina hit for the cycle. He had a dripple

689
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: at Willie Mays never hit.

690
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: For the cycle. How can that possibly be? That is

691
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: so great. The Joseph Brothers almost hit for the cycle

692
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: in the same game. That would have been the greatest.

693
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 3: Caleb.

694
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 2: We love catchers again. My oldest brother was a great catcher.

695
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: I have a strange affinity for catchers. It's the hardest

696
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: position in the world. Jeff Torborg, former catcher, once said,

697
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 2: it's a different breedback there. There's a reason why we're

698
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: the only ones facing the other way. Okay, So, just

699
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: in general terms, Caleb, how much has the position changed

700
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: since you started catching professionally. It's been an enormous difference. Agreed.

701
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 4: Agreed, very much so in not only the the implementation

702
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: of how you're calling pitches, but the stance looks different,

703
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: the terminology is different. And I do think that there

704
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 4: are ways that some of those differences has been good

705
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 4: on catchers, and it's changed a lot. They're they're they're

706
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 4: prioritizing probably different things. Used to be asked a lot

707
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: of times, what are the most important or rank the

708
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: most important pieces of being a catcher? Is it game calling?

709
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 4: Is it framing, is it blocking? Is it throwing?

710
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,280
Speaker 3: Is it your leadership ability?

711
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: So like you have these five kind of tools, and

712
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 4: which one is first, which one is last? And I

713
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 4: would say that probably over the last four or five years,

714
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 4: some of those rankings have inverted and that's how they

715
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 4: want to do it. And I think book Show Walter

716
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: had a great line. It's like, well, if it doesn't

717
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: bother them, then why is it bothering me? Ill it

718
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 4: still bothers me the way that the game is being

719
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 4: played at that position for the most part. But if

720
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 4: it's not bothering them, then why do I care about it.

721
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: I just feel like there's got to be a better important.

722
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 4: Emphasis put on kind of the game calling aspect and

723
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 4: not so much about this framing stuff. You know, framing

724
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: is a very hot topic that a lot of people

725
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 4: want to talk about, and you know, so much of

726
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 4: it is dependent on who you draw, who the guy

727
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,720
Speaker 4: is behind you, who your pitcher is, and who you're facing.

728
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 4: If you've got a guy that's really locating and you

729
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 4: got an umpire back there that is a bit generous,

730
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 4: your framing scores are going to go through the roof.

731
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: And there's there's just no way to really concretely be

732
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 4: able to weave all of those different aspects into it.

733
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 3: So it's hard.

734
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: It's hard to really like jump onto that framing bandwagon

735
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: because one guy that's won one year is thirtieth the

736
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 4: next year, and did he really just forget how to catch?

737
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 4: You know, it might look the exact same, So that

738
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 4: that's a tough aspect of it that I think is different.

739
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 4: But the pitch calling, too, is way different. And that

740
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: is that's why.

741
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 2: I have to Just two days ago at the Rogers

742
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: Center and Caleb told us the story about catching John Duplantier,

743
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: right was at it was that the game. So tell

744
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 2: Jeff the story, correct, tell all the people the story

745
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 2: of the day you caught that kid and what happened,

746
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: and then what happened after the game.

747
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'll make it quick. So John's a very

748
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: athletic young pitcher rookie season.

749
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 4: He's facing the Dodgers, and it's not going very well

750
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: and he is not throwing a lot of strikes. His

751
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: movements to begin with are very very big. Their massive,

752
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: big sinker, big slider, huge split, and so getting him

753
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: over the plate was always a challenge. Well, in Arizona,

754
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: you're kind of giving a card where you had a

755
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 4: couple recommendations for each back, for each count against each pitcher.

756
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: So it's it's broken down. So if a guy has

757
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: four pitches, each count might recommend you two pitches. I

758
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 3: get it.

759
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 4: This is very standard across the league, and this is

760
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 4: very normal. Now Duplantier is walking the house. He's barely

761
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: escaping jams early in the game against the Dodgers, and

762
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 4: you just kind of get this sense and this feeling

763
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: that this is not going to last.

764
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 3: He's really having trouble doing this, and I'm sticking.

765
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: To the card you know, because I'm on a new

766
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: team and I want to make sure that I kind

767
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: of do it correctly. And it's just not going to work.

768
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: I know it's not going to work. He's one swing

769
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 4: away from just giving up the house. He's probably walked

770
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 4: four or five guys in the first two winnings, giving

771
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 4: up two runs. It's turning. The train is about to

772
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 4: get off the track. So I take the wristband off

773
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: and I said, look, I have to get him back

774
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 4: on track. I have to start calling pitches in.

775
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: Different zones to different hitters that are not going to

776
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 3: make sense.

777
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: Because I know that I have to get him on

778
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 4: track with this pitch because that sets up this pitch,

779
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 4: and if I can get him over the baseball, then

780
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 4: that pitch is going to come out and then we can.

781
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 3: Start to go back to what the card does. And

782
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 3: the card is when everything's going right, Well I'm not right.

783
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 3: I have to get him back to right.

784
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 4: And this thing doesn't have an asterisk with small print

785
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 4: at the bottom that says how to get me back

786
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: on track. So I'm using you know, I'm using my

787
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: experience and you know, my my intangibles of hey, he

788
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 4: only has a change up right now, we got to

789
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 4: hammer this.

790
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: I know the card says that change up is a

791
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: terrible pitch. To your name it at that time, maybe

792
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: it's Bellinger, but this is all we have. And I

793
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: like his change up in a bad spot versus the

794
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: recommendation of a slider because everything he's doing is just

795
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 3: doing this and that's.

796
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 4: About to get hit to the moon. I got to

797
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 4: take chances here. Long story short, it ends up going well.

798
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 4: He ends up having a really good game. We win

799
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 4: the game. I get a call the next day, Hey,

800
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: come in, let's have a meeting about this last game.

801
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 4: And I think I'm about to be given the keys

802
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 4: to the city statue.

803
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: You know, I think maybe Luma's protty, you.

804
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 4: Know, because that was probably one of the best games

805
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: I've ever called. This kid was going down a path.

806
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: I was able to steer him back on track. We

807
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 4: won the game.

808
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: You know, modern analytics say wins above replacement or what

809
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: about six million per win. I mean, I was thinking

810
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: I might get a bonus. I think this is going

811
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: to be amazing. That's not what happened. I ended up

812
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: sitting down in a meeting and they showed me every

813
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: single time that I went against the recommendation, and it

814
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: was just.

815
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: A lot of red.

816
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 3: You know, it looked like a you know, it looked

817
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: like what's a wheel of fortune? You know when they

818
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 3: when they miss it, you know, it's just a bunch

819
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: of red accents.

820
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: And so it was not good. And they said, look,

821
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: we we we stick to the RECs here. We're really

822
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: we're really playing the numbers game. And you know, I

823
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 4: just said, hey, like just out of curiosity, you know,

824
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: did you actually watch the game? You know, did you

825
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 4: actually watch the game or or were you just watching

826
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: what I wasn't calling, Because if you would have watched

827
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 4: the game, it would have been very simple to see

828
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 4: that this young, inexperienced pitcher against a veteran lineup was

829
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 4: getting really close to the edge of blowing this game.

830
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 4: And if he blew it, we have to go to

831
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: the bullpen early. His confidence is shot. They were trying

832
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 4: to win that game, right, you play to win the game.

833
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 4: I thought I was going to be given an award.

834
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: I was actually stopped on the wrist because I didn't

835
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: stick with the recommendations. That's how the game, and especially

836
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 4: the catcher position has changed, and catchers now know that

837
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 4: that's part of the gig, and they're trying to find

838
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 4: that balance of satisfying their bosses yet doing right by

839
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: the players.

840
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: Is a very difficult pick.

841
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 2: If you told me two days ago, and wait till

842
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: I tell you the story about Reno. So what was

843
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: the story in Reno, because I don't know it.

844
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 4: So about four days after I had that conversation with

845
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: those guys about du planting, game was sent to Reno

846
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 4: because they said, this is an support, you know, a

847
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 4: type of player.

848
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: We got to get this guy.

849
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: That sounds like something in a yellow Stone show, right.

850
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: And.

851
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, here's a couple of programs while you're

852
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 4: at it, you know.

853
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 3: So end up going down there and I'm not playing

854
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 3: that game. But there's a young struggling pitcher that is

855
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: trying to get back on track. He was a really

856
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: good pitcher of the year before, was.

857
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 4: Picture of the Year for the organization the year before,

858
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: and really getting hammered pretty hard in triple A. And

859
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 4: so he says, hey, can you catch my bullpen? Granted,

860
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 4: at this point, you know, I haven't caught an actual

861
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 4: like minor league bullpen in about nine years. I mean

862
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 4: I had about seven straight years in the big leagues.

863
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: The fact that I was in Reno was unexpected. I

864
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 4: was I was that guy. I was bitter. I was

865
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 4: not happy. And so for a young kid to ask

866
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: me to catch a bullpen at like two, you know,

867
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 4: two o'clock in the afternoon, it was that was a lot.

868
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 4: That was a lot to swallow. I said, okay, fine,

869
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try and help you out because I like you.

870
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna really help you.

871
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: I will catch you and give you my opinions and

872
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 3: feedback on your bullpen. So we go out there and

873
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 3: as we're walking out and I said, hey, what are

874
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 3: you working on today? What are you working on? I

875
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: had called him before and I knew where he was

876
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: at and what he needed to do.

877
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: And he said, you know, I really want to make sure,

878
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: like I have good intensity and I'm not really going

879
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: through the motions here. I want to really make sure

880
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 4: that I locate and you know, get my pitches where

881
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 4: they need to be. I said, perfect, how about this.

882
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 4: How many pitches are you throw on? He said, I'm

883
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: gonna throw thirty pitches. So okay, great, I'll do all

884
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: the hard work. I'll do all the counting. You just execute.

885
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: Let's play a game. Anytime you throw a ball inside

886
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 4: my knees at an acceptable height, I'll give you a point.

887
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 4: Let's see how many points you can get out of thirty.

888
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 4: It's just a location game. So he's talking about intensity,

889
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 4: I'm talking about location. We should have a pretty good

890
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: bullpen that feels like a game, right, Okay, here we go.

891
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: So I get back there before I know it, Here's

892
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 4: ninety different machines going up behind me.

893
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: There's three different machines going up behind him, you know,

894
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: track man, you know, rap Sodo, and I got wires

895
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: hanging on him like he's hooked up to the white.

896
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 3: There's nine iPads by the you know, by the map.

897
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, Like I didn't realize realize I

898
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: was stepping into you know, star trek here. I thought

899
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: we were just throwing a bullpen, you know.

900
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: But uh so we start the bullpen and I mean,

901
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 4: he's got good intensity right out the gate.

902
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: It's great.

903
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: But we end up throwing the bullpen and I'm I'm

904
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: over here, I'm over there, And after every pitch, my man,

905
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: my man's like this, and he lets go with the ball,

906
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 4: and like the second he lets go to the ball,

907
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 4: he's like like right into the right into the iPad,

908
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 4: looking at the numbers, like the pitching coaches. As soon

909
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: as he throws the ball of pitch coaches like you know,

910
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 4: and the iPad was like right face looking at him.

911
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: He'd be like whoa.

912
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 4: And the point was at the very end of the

913
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: the bullpen. I said, he was high five and you

914
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 4: know the guy pitching coach, and everything was all great

915
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 4: on his end, he's hitting his numbers. And we walked

916
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: up together and I said, hey, like, how'd you think?

917
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: You know, how was that? And he goes, oh, man,

918
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: it's so great. It's twenty eight hundred on my spin.

919
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 4: You know, I got twelve vert on this and you

920
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: know I had X y Z elementoped.

921
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: Your depth and drop. And I'm like, all right, you

922
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: know it's good, like great, you know, it's nice.

923
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: Don't really know what any of that means, but great job, man,

924
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: Like I'm glad you feel good about that.

925
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 3: And he's like, what did you think? And I said, well,

926
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: can I be honest with you? And he said yeah.

927
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: I said, this worst bullpen I've ever caught in my life.

928
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: And he's like he was shocked. He said, but I

929
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 3: had twenty eight hundred spin on my fastball and I

930
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: got I got eighteen inches of break on my slider,

931
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 3: and I said, yeah, buddy, I mean that's all great,

932
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: But like you know that game we're talking about, out

933
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: of thirty p you threw four in in in between me.

934
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 3: I said, so, you had great spin, you had great

935
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 3: X Y axis break, you had great ride. Well guess

936
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: what in a real game. You gave up a leadoff single,

937
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 3: you walked the next three guys, you gave up a

938
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: three run homer, and you were out of the game

939
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: by the fourth inning because you four strikes and all

940
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 3: four strikes you through were right down the middle. So

941
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: I can't catch any more of these bullpens.

942
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 4: If you think you had the best bullpen in your life,

943
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 4: and I think it's the worst because you were chasing.

944
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: Numbers and and that was the point of the BLA.

945
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 3: That's when I knew this is just going down the path.

946
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: Buck used to say it. I mean, the game has

947
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 3: passed me by. That's when I knew, like, wow, we're

948
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: literally chasing numbers. My man, my man threw four strikes,

949
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: four strikes in the whole bullpen, and he thought it

950
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 3: was the best ever. Okay, I need I need to retire.

951
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 6: I need to This is so refreshing because you as

952
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 6: a as a young guy still, you know, talking about

953
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 6: how the game has changed, it is refreshing. And you know,

954
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 6: my dad always is afraid to talk about on our

955
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 6: podcast too much. You know this that before and after

956
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 6: the dead ball era because we don't want to sound

957
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 6: like we're too old on the show. And you know,

958
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 6: as you know, Caleb, my dad covered the game during

959
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 6: the dead ball era, so he's been around for a

960
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 6: long time, so it's been a little bit different.

961
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 5: Now.

962
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 6: I have one more question for you, Caleb, and I

963
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 6: haven't had a chance to ask any of our catchers

964
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 6: this that we've had on the show, But when you

965
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 6: go to see your picture at the mound, right, has

966
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 6: there ever been a moment where almost no baseball is

967
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 6: spoken of? I'm talking you go out there and say

968
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 6: you see the girl in the second row? Or hey,

969
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 6: did you hear that new album drop?

970
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 7: Or like truly, who is the.

971
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 6: Picture and what was the interaction that stuck out for

972
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 6: you that you can remember?

973
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, those those were a lot of fun. Now was

974
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: sometimes it just depends on who the player is, and

975
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 4: some guys actually need a certain tone or a certain

976
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 4: key to get them back on track. And then certain guys, honestly,

977
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 4: when it's when it's just not going and you you

978
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: know that you're coming out there to breathe the guy

979
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: in the bullpen to get to give him some time

980
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 4: and everyone knows what's going on. I'm not about to

981
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: walk out there and be like, all right, man, you

982
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 4: know we're just to pitch away. Like that's when I

983
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: would go out there and just be like, you know

984
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 4: that burger that I had come on, that's not settling

985
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 4: very well. I something's gonna happen in the next ten

986
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 4: minutes that's gonna really upset like.

987
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 3: This, anything like anything to just throw off. I've asked.

988
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 3: I've asked some pretty pointed questions to the players that

989
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 3: I can not ask on this on this format, very

990
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: very very personal questions that like that totally throw them

991
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 3: out of the moment. You know, when's the last time

992
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: they had a bowel movement and what.

993
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 4: The stuff like that that just if if you go

994
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 4: so far out of out of the realm of what's

995
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 4: going on, it it it changes their perspective. Yeah, some

996
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: of those were really really good, but you're right, Yeah,

997
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: You're always looking for something as a catcher, depending on

998
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 4: the situation.

999
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: That's the beauty of our of our.

1000
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: Position is because we spend so much time with these guys,

1001
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 4: you learn how they how they are motivated, you learn

1002
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: how they they They can be kind of padded on

1003
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 4: the back and you get to you get to almost

1004
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: be like a therapist at times, and you can really

1005
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 4: create some.

1006
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 6: It's so crazy, Caleb, because Johnny Bench said he said

1007
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 6: the same thing during a game during the Big Red Machine.

1008
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 6: He would ask the same question about bowel movements. So

1009
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 6: it's just unbelievable.

1010
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: That you two.

1011
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 6: I was too scared to ask him that question, Caleb scared.

1012
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: So, Caleb, you mentioned Buck show Walder twice. We we've had.

1013
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 2: We had Buck on last year. Of course we laughed

1014
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 2: and we learned for forty five minutes. It was ridiculous.

1015
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: What you know?

1016
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: Buck wants to asked me when we were teammates at ESB,

1017
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: and he would just look at me out of the

1018
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: blue and said, you ever seen a.

1019
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: Great player who has a lot of freckles? That was

1020
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: the question that Buck asked me.

1021
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 5: I think I've never been asked this question by life.

1022
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: He asked me once, do you ever noticed that Dominican

1023
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: infielders have trouble with pop ups?

1024
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I.

1025
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 5: Had no idea that Dominican infielders had trouble.

1026
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: But he can get so he So what was it like?

1027
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: What was it like playing for Buck.

1028
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: Especially when you were a young catcher and you're you

1029
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: are the catcher for a guy who's a maniacal genius

1030
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: in the dugout.

1031
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you a debut story really quickly. So

1032
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: I go in. We're at the Trup, Go into the Trup,

1033
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 3: set my bags down in the manager's office and he

1034
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 3: shakes my hand. Hey, congratulations, you know, welcome.

1035
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: Just let you know if you can't run the game

1036
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 4: on defense as a catcher and run our staff, I

1037
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 4: don't care if you get a single hit for a month.

1038
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: You better run the staff and run the game plan

1039
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: or you're going back. Message accepted.

1040
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 4: I understand, Yes, Skip, I'll be there, get dressed, first game,

1041
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 4: first day.

1042
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,240
Speaker 3: I'm there. First game. We're playing at the Trump the Rays.

1043
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 3: It is first and third, okay, and the eighth or

1044
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: ninth innings late in the game.

1045
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 4: So the Rays, this was back, you know, many years ago,

1046
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: they could really do a bunch of really unique stuff.

1047
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 4: Ten twelve years ago, I had to come out in

1048
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 4: the ninth thing this first game, first day, I'm there,

1049
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 4: I'm already just not even realizing what's going on.

1050
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 3: Everything's moving so quickly. But looks over and remember when.

1051
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 4: You get to the pig leagues as catcher, you've got

1052
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 4: not so much anymore because of the transmitter stuff. But

1053
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 4: like when you first got there as a catcher, you

1054
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 4: were you had to know so many different sign sequences.

1055
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 4: You know, it's not the same in spring training, and

1056
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 4: like you're you're learning on the spot, Like hey, Buck

1057
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 4: is like, hey, here's my nine signs that you have

1058
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 4: to memorize. Oh, and we're talking about it at six

1059
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: fifty two in the games at seven and it's like

1060
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: nothing's even registering because I'm I'm trying not to have a.

1061
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: Bowel movement in my past for shame, you know. I'm

1062
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 3: like I'm floating, like I don't even know what's going on.

1063
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 3: He's talking about this and this. So it's the eighth

1064
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 3: inning and the game is like on the line, and

1065
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 3: I look over and he's like first and third giving

1066
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 3: me a steel sign and a bunt coverage I got

1067
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 3: not one sign to remember. He's given me two signs

1068
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 3: in one play to remember and he's doing it. Hey

1069
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 3: bunp play double steal. And I was like, okay, no idea,

1070
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: what to do, No idea.

1071
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 4: I just I started making stuff up, started grabbing him,

1072
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: pointing where I thought he was pointing to, got it

1073
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 4: completely wrong. He had to say, here we go, and

1074
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 4: I turned back around and bug goes. And that's when

1075
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 4: I literally heard the voice in my head like.

1076
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 3: If you don't get this right, you were going to

1077
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: be going to Norfolk in about six hours as soon

1078
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: as it's over. So I like locked it back in

1079
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh crap, I think I actually

1080
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: reversed him last time, and so I ended up getting

1081
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: it right, but I'd never forget. Like after that game,

1082
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 3: you know, we win and I'm on cloud nine and

1083
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: everything's good, like you know, I'm walking back with my stuff,

1084
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 3: and he grabs me, know, grabs me. You know.

1085
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 4: I'd come into the the office and he says, hey,

1086
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 4: like great game, great debut.

1087
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 3: You just you cannot mess those signs up, like that's

1088
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 3: very important. And I knew.

1089
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 4: I knew how important it was to our team to

1090
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 4: playing a certain way. But as a rookie right out

1091
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: the gate, like you just you knew you were you

1092
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: knew you were playing for buckshow while like you weren't

1093
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 4: playing for This is a very regimented, serious business. And

1094
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 4: I loved it. I loved it. I absolutely loved it.

1095
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: I love playing that way. I love the structure of it.

1096
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 4: I love the discipline and the accountability. And I thrived.

1097
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 4: I felt like in that environment after day one, once

1098
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 4: I kind of got settled in. But he he was

1099
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 4: the type of manager that when you get to the

1100
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: big leagues as a rookie, you think you know the

1101
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 4: game because you've been playing it for twenty years. You

1102
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 4: sit next to him in a dugout and you realize

1103
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 4: how little you actually know about the game that you've

1104
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 4: watched for your whole life, and you're like, there's not

1105
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 4: really much I can learn. It's just I've seen so

1106
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 4: many baseball games. You sit next to him for one game,

1107
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 4: he sees so much of the intangible, so much of

1108
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 4: the gray points it out, and then you can't unsee

1109
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 4: the game a certain way when you play baseball with

1110
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: Buck or a round Buck. And I was just so

1111
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 4: privileged to be under his mentorship and managerial efforts for

1112
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 4: many years, and it was just so thrilled and honored

1113
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 4: because I look at the game differently and I feel

1114
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: like some of my broadcasting skills are because of what

1115
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: he taught me.

1116
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 2: Caleb, we got to let you go, but we can't

1117
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: let you go until we at least talk a little

1118
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: bit about the twenty twenty five postseason, which has been fabulous.

1119
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 2: Trey Savage pitched the other day. He gave up no

1120
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 2: hits and struck out eleven in five and a third

1121
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: innings in his fourth major league start, fourteen innings in

1122
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 2: his career. And we've asked this question to all sorts

1123
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: of people. How does Caleb Joseph explain that a twenty

1124
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: two year old can go out there not just with

1125
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, but have a presence about him

1126
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 2: like he's Gaylord Perry going out there and absolutely unflappable

1127
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 2: and poised beyond words.

1128
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: How do we explain.

1129
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, still trying to figure it out.

1130
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 4: He is obviously different, and you talk about the intangibles

1131
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 4: and being wise beyond his years.

1132
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: I was really unsure how this whole three weeks was

1133
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: going to come out and turn out, just because you

1134
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: don't know the player. Well, obviously Toronto knows his makeup,

1135
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 3: and that just this shows how important a couple things are.

1136
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 4: Makeup is just vital to your success if you don't

1137
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 4: have experiences. Now, of course, the more experiences you get,

1138
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: the more you just start to kind of lean into

1139
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 4: that and you can use that. But I think another

1140
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: thing too that really helps is his angle. Guys is

1141
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 4: so difficult. It's so much higher and over the top

1142
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 4: that it gives him a bit of a secret weapon.

1143
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 4: It really does. And when you talk about players nowadays,

1144
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: they're constantly talking about being on plane with their swing,

1145
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: so you know the pitches coming in at an angle

1146
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 4: because the pitcher is throwing off the mound. Obviously, most

1147
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 4: guys are talking about getting on plane with their swing. Early,

1148
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 4: I was taught to chop wood, so I have basically

1149
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 4: a chop wood motion.

1150
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 3: Here.

1151
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: Well, if the ball's coming in this way and I'm

1152
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 4: being told to chop wood, I see one intersecting point

1153
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 4: right there. You see what I'm saying, which the hitting

1154
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: zone is is super short, and it's like, no wonder

1155
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 4: I hit two twenty because I'm swinging down the ball's

1156
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 4: coming down and I got too inches to hit it like,

1157
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 4: no wonder I mean, they said to Williams said a

1158
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: slight uppercut.

1159
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: I think the only reason he meant that is because

1160
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,359
Speaker 3: you know, if the ball you're just trying to you're

1161
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: trying to match the plane. So I mean, instead of

1162
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: swinging down, you're just trying to match the plane of

1163
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: the ball if it's higher. So the thing about you,

1164
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: Savage is most guys angle in from home to the

1165
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: plate is kind of right here, you Savage. Because of

1166
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 3: his height and because of how tall he is, that

1167
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 3: angle is so steep. It's almost like he's standing on

1168
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 3: a ladder throwing straight down. So it's so uniquely different

1169
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: that the down angle part of it is so unique. Well,

1170
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 3: if we're so many players now are talking about getting

1171
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 3: on plane with their swing, and it's normally here, but

1172
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: you get you savaged. It's like this that feels like

1173
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 3: straight up and down movement.

1174
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 4: To get a plane, you gotta feel like you're swinging

1175
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 4: straight up, but swing straight up. Now the launch angles

1176
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 4: all messed up, so you don't want to be on

1177
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 4: plane and hitting five balls to center field. So what

1178
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: happens is I think he's got a secret weapon advantage

1179
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 4: because of that down angle that guys have to end

1180
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 4: up swinging more differently than normal because the angle is

1181
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 4: so sense that makes.

1182
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: Sense, doesn't all make sense?

1183
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: Caleb is Alejandro Kirk who looks like that. Now, this

1184
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: kid is a really good player. I want you to

1185
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: tell us how it is that a guy who's short

1186
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: and stocky and doesn't even look like a baseball player

1187
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: his feet even point out kind of like a ten

1188
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: to two on the clock.

1189
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: And he's not just good, he's really good.

1190
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: His backball skills are great, his hands behind the plate

1191
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: are elite. Please tell us how beautiful it is that

1192
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: this game is open to all shapes and sizes.

1193
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 4: It is, Tim, and I love the fact that people

1194
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 4: like that can make a living and really take a

1195
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 4: country by heart.

1196
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 3: Unless you lose your roster spot for that type of player,

1197
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 3: which I did for Alejandro Kirk.

1198
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, one of those things, Tim, twenty twenty, I

1199
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 4: was DFA for Kirk.

1200
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 3: I lost my roster spot.

1201
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 4: You know, I'm still waiting for Canada to thank me

1202
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 4: for my spot.

1203
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: You know, if I wouldn't have so unselfishly let go

1204
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: of my.

1205
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 4: Roster spot, and it's probably not in the position they're

1206
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 4: in so like I'm still waiting for some sort of

1207
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: prize or something. But he at the time we were

1208
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 4: around each other at the time, he very very quiet

1209
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: and rightfully so. I think it was maybe nineteen twenty

1210
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 4: years old, very little English. He's worked really hard to

1211
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: get better his English. His game calling, game planning has

1212
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: just continued to grow. Tim I knew right out the

1213
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 4: gate when I saw him swing.

1214
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: There's just a different feel to a really good hitters

1215
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 3: swing and a path. And let me tell you one

1216
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 3: thing that's for certain.

1217
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 4: Sometimes when you see certain players swing, it appears as

1218
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 4: if they have a slow swing. Manny Machado is probably

1219
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 4: the first guy that I noticed this with that when

1220
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 4: you watch him swing, it really doesn't look that fast,

1221
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 4: like a Mike Trout had this like really fast looking

1222
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 4: so it just it looks fast. Machado doesn't. And the

1223
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 4: reason why is because he gets on plane, like we

1224
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 4: were just talking about so early, So like he's on

1225
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 4: plane way back here in the swing, and then it's

1226
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 4: a rotation through the zone. And so that bat is

1227
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: up here and it starts on plane and then just

1228
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: starts to rotate all the way through the zone and

1229
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 4: the rotation looks slow, but because his hands are so

1230
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 4: tight to his body, because he is on plane, it's

1231
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 4: actually moving exponentially quicker than somebody who's short to it,

1232
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 4: you know, short to it and long through it. That

1233
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 4: little v type of action is actually a little bit

1234
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 4: less powerful and stable and quicker than a tight turn

1235
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 4: in here, like a ballerina spinning. And that's what Kirk does.

1236
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 4: Kirk is that guy. Kirk doesn't look the part. He

1237
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 4: doesn't look like he's gonna be any good. But at

1238
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 4: the second he makes his first move, his back shoulder

1239
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 4: slots down and he's on plane right there, and then

1240
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 4: he just starts to rotate. And the fact that he

1241
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 4: can stay so flat through the zone on pitches that

1242
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: are high, on pitches that are low, he hits the

1243
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 4: back of the ball so often. He hits the back

1244
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 4: of the ball so often it's really impressive. And he

1245
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 4: doesn't chase. He's got this.

1246
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 3: Crazy he's got this crazy skill set in that he

1247
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 3: doesn't chase. Yet when he swings, he barrels it up.

1248
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 3: So it's a very unique combo. And it's been really

1249
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: fun to watch him.

1250
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 4: And look, only baseball can you have Judge Altuve can

1251
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 4: you have a Stanton Kirk type that both both all

1252
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 4: four of those guys are unique, uniquely and equally valuable.

1253
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 2: We can keep you, We can keep you for three

1254
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 2: more hours, but we gotta go because you gotta go.

1255
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 2: We took an hour of your time today. We can't

1256
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 2: thank you enough.

1257
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 3: Jeff.

1258
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,080
Speaker 1: At least he got in the door right right, he

1259
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: got in the door. But it took us fifty five

1260
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: minutes to talk about the Blue Jays.

1261
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 7: And that's the glory of this interview.

1262
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 3: Caleb.

1263
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 6: We're not cutting a moment from it because you were

1264
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 6: fan freakingtastic and I know what a good guy you

1265
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 6: are now, so I'm sure you're gonna go help the

1266
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 6: guy fixing the doors in the hallway because he's got

1267
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 6: about one hundred more.

1268
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 4: Dude, I'll volunteer my time and I can really turn

1269
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 4: that you know that screw driver.

1270
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: Briefly, these are my favorite sentences, Caleb. I'll see you

1271
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: at the ballpark tonight. That's that's when you know you

1272
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:57,479
Speaker 1: got it made.

1273
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 2: Is when you're going to a playoff game and you're

1274
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 2: going to see a bunch of major leaguers and former

1275
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 2: major leaguers.

1276
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: That's where we learn and today, Jeff, we.

1277
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 2: Did exactly what this podcast is about. We laughed and

1278
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 2: we learned that's what we're trying to do here. Caleb,

1279
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: thank you so much. It was a blast.

1280
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: It was tremendous.