WEBVTT - The Work to Rebuild America 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.440 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:20.480 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody. Pre recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.640 as you know, we are making the sprint, the final 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.920 sprint to midterm elections, and like I have said previously 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:35.720 this week, I need folks to take care of themselves, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.559 their level of anxiety, their level of stress. No one 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.120 knows what's going to happen until it does, so I 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.239 want to be really clear about that. And I have 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.760 always said on this show that poles are poles are poles, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:52.320 and you know, had the polls been accurate, we would 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:54.440 be in a completely different America than the one that 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:58.520 we are living through right now. And so what I 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:02.960 continue to say is is dive into some news, take 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:07.200 yourself out of it, focus on your self care, focus 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:12.240 on your rituals and practices of restoration and rest because 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:14.800 I'm telling you that what we are in for, what 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:24.319 is before us is the very rapidly shifting political and 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:29.600 cultural climate in these United States. And I will tell 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:32.520 you that regardless of whether or not Democrats are able 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:35.840 to hold on to both the House and the Senate, 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.240 breaking with history, breaking with patterns that we know all 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:47.840 too well that the work to rebuild this country and 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:53.760 new is generations. It's generations of work that is going 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:59.680 to go into this. If we lose the upcoming midterm elections, 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.280 if we lose the House and the Senate or one 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:08.520 of them again, the political climate and the culture in 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.320 this country is going to continue to be tested beyond 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:16.519 anything that we have seen before. So I say all 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:20.200 of this to say, folks that it is incredibly important 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:27.040 to know your limitations, right, to not tap out completely, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.480 but to understand and to know your limitations. And also 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.520 what's important. What's important right now is not what's being 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:38.400 said on your television, on any of your screens. What's 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:41.120 important is the actions that are being taken in real 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:45.200 life to either vote early, either vote on election day, 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:48.240 mail in your ballots, and then ensure that the people 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.240 around you. Do not take this for granted. Do not 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.320 take for granted what a phone call can do. Do 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.320 not take for granted what a text message can do. 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.680 Do not take for granted what a face book post 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:03.840 and an Instagram post and a tweet can do to 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:09.720 your own community, and for that community to activate them, 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.280 Tell them what is at risk and what is on 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.800 the ballot right, You don't need to tell them that 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.880 the only reason they need to vote is to vote 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:23.680 against the Republican Party, which is fascist. That is not 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.280 what's going to sell them. Tell them that they are 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.919 voting for medicare, they are voting for social security, they 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.400 are voting for bodily autonomy, they are voting for public 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:37.720 school systems that are going to teach their children the 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:42.160 truth and how to be global citizens and be competitive. Right, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.440 they are voting for stabilized economy. Tell them the things 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.520 that they are voting for when in fact they are 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:53.520 going to vote for Democrats. Coming up on the show today, 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:58.120 we have Delia Coleman, who is the deputy director of 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:03.160 Equal Rights Advocates. We get into a conversation about the 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:08.960 importance of black women and BIPOC, black Indigenous people of 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:14.920 color BIPOC people being uplifted during this midterm but in 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:20.760 every election, because what we oftentimes forget, and by we, 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.560 I mean the Democratic establishment forgets, is who the base 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:29.560 of our party actually is. While Republicans are held bends 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:33.239 on feeding their rabid base any type of red meat 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:39.200 that they can, whether it be homophobia, transphobia, islamophobia, misogyny, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.960 anti blackness. They're all about giving their base what it 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.400 is that they need. The Democrats do not do the same. They, 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.039 as a matter of fact, take for granted that their 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.960 base has nowhere else to go. Well, I'll tell you 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.080 where else the fuck they have to go, which is 0:04:56.120 --> 0:05:00.720 to stay home. And we cannot afford that. Everybody has 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.000 said that we need the historic numbers that turned out 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.000 in twenty eighteen and that turned out in twenty twenty 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:14.160 to turn out this time. Right now, the early voting 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.040 is showing that we are on pace for that. And 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.320 so with the time, the less than two weeks that 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.560 we have, folks, I am urging each and every one 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:28.000 of you to utilize your own platforms to gather your 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:33.080 own people to get to the polls. As I've said 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:39.920 previously on election Day, if you're not doing any physical 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.440 labor in order to bring people to the polls, volunteering 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.080 at the polls, and doing things of that nature, then 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:47.960 I need you not to be sitting in front of 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:52.600 your television screen driving yourself absolutely mad. As they say, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.080 three percent of the vote is in and it looks 0:05:55.120 --> 0:05:58.280 like a Republican is running away with the race. That 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.880 is the quickest way to a heart attack, a migraine, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:06.840 and to a broken television. I'm telling you to do 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:11.800 what you can in the space that you occupy, and 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:18.200 then leave the rest. Just leave the rest, because worrying 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.200 about it, stressing about things that you can't physically change, 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.159 do not change them. But what it does do is 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:30.400 change you internally, and that's what we do not want. 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:37.120 So coming up next today is my conversation with Delia Coleman, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.960 and we are going to talk about Equal Rights advocates 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:46.200 study and research that they've done on Family Voices, a 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.760 mixed method survey of family breadwinners that captures the economic 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.520 reality of black and LATINEX women after two years of 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:59.480 pandemic uncertainty. What their research has found is that nearly 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.440 half of the women's surveyed could not afford all of 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:08.360 their basic needs and cited issues like childcare costs, debt, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:13.440 and workplace discrimination. So we'll get into the findings of 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.600 this research that they have done, and then also Delia 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.080 will offer up other narratives that we need to be 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.560 paying attention to. That and much much more is coming 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.679 up next. Hey, there, I want to tell you about 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.559 another podcast. I think you'll love The Brown Girl's Guide 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:36.760 to Politics, hosted by a Shanty Gooler, the president of Emerge. BGG, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.280 is the one stop shop for women of color who 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.600 want to hear and talk about the world of politics. 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:44.440 Join a Shanty this season as she talks to incredible 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:46.840 women of color who are changing the face of politics 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.400 and tackling some of the most important issues basing the 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.880 United States, from reproductive justice to voting rights, to climate 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.080 change and more. Tune in every Tuesday wherever you get 0:07:56.080 --> 0:08:02.440 your podcasts, Folks. I am happy to welcome to woke 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:06.600 f for the first time, Dlia Coleman, who is a 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:12.480 Deputy director of Equal Rights Advocate and wanting to discuss 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.520 the voices of black and brown women as we head 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:22.920 into mid term elections. You know what's funny is that 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:27.920 I find that in general, well Republicans, in my humble opinion, 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:31.400 don't reach out to women of color at all, But 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.800 when it comes to Democrats, it only seems that we 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:39.160 are important when it's right about that time to vote. 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:44.880 So talk to us about what you have been noticing 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.440 and hearing and why it's important that we need to 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.520 tap in as we're just a few weeks out from 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.320 election day, Thank you so much, Danielle. I'm happy to 0:08:56.360 --> 0:09:01.160 be here. You know, when midterm season runs comes around, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.000 it's always like, oh, we're all on a track, and 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:08.559 we have to get ready, ready, ready, And I think 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.480 other black and brown women, particularly black women, have been 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:18.280 getting ready for the past two years, particularly because of 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.920 the pandemic. The pandemic was a major disruption in all 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:26.040 of our lives, and it of course hit black women 0:09:26.640 --> 0:09:30.440 the hardest. And so what I've been noticing in the 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:34.600 work that I do day to day with equal rights advocates, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:41.680 but also just as a black woman myself. Yes, one 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.120 of the things, some of the things that I've been 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:52.240 noticing is how precarious our position is economically right now. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.400 And so those kitchen table issues which normally come up 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.720 during mid term season. You know, what are those kitchen 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:07.360 tab able economic issues that is at the front of 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:10.760 black women's minds right now. How are they going to 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:15.080 make it? How are they going to provide for their families? 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.280 What do their kids need? What do their families need? 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.079 And one of the things that some of the things 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.920 that we've been hearing childcare as well as elder care 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.720 as a concern. You know, how can they continue to 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.120 provide care for their families. How can they do that 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.800 and keep a job. How can they keep a job 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.920 or grow in that job. How can they make more money? 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:46.840 Because right now the math is not math in income 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.880 is not covering all of the needs. There are so 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:58.920 many external pressures like debt, credit card debt, student loan debt, mortgage, debt, rent, 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.679 all of these things combine to put a vice like 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:12.160 grip on black family breadwinners. And it's just one of 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:15.559 the things that is, you know, at top of mind. 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:22.880 In addition to things like the ongoing the ongoing crisis 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:29.439 in our criminal justice system and the ongoing crisis around 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:36.439 reproductive health. You know, black women are also disproportionately affected 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:42.000 when things like the job decision happen, and so cutting 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:47.920 off that critical access to reproductive healthcare is an issue 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.120 for a great many of us. And so that's that's 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.959 what's circling around my brain right now about what black 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:59.080 women are concerned about. Do you think that when the 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.559 media for in stance and then propped up by politicians, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.200 are talking about quote unquote kitchen table issues, that they're 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:11.080 doing so in a way that delineates the distinctions between 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:15.560 what kitchen table issues mean for white women and what 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.120 it is that they mean for black Indigenous people of 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.840 color right, because I will tell you that I hate 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.880 the term kitchen table politics, you know, kitchen table issues, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.200 because I think that everything is a kitchen table issue, 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.679 particularly for those people that can't afford a kitchen table. 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:37.960 So how how are things different? How do you see 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:41.160 them differently? And how has your reports that you have 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.319 done the research that EARA has done with family voices, 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:49.440 What are some of the things that were signified. So 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.960 our Family Voices research, which just came out over the 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:59.840 summer earlier this fall, was the brainchild of equal rights 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:05.000 advocates because at that time, during the pandemic, people were 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:09.360 talking about black and Latin X family breadwinners, but they 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.280 weren't talking to black and Latin X family breadwinners. And 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.400 that's what we wanted to do. We wanted to talk 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.840 to them, we wanted to listen to them, and we 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:24.040 wanted to understand. We have an educated guess, you know, like, Okay, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.480 we think that these issues are important. We think that 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:32.400 pay is important, we think that equity in the workplace 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.719 is important. Those were assumptions that we had going in 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:42.199 when we dug into this project with this national survey 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.880 talking to Black and Latin family breadwinners across the country. 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.120 Those were certainly important, But what was different was the 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:57.200 intensity around some of these issues, and the intensity that 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:01.079 we saw around childcare, the intent city that we saw 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:06.640 around debt, the intensity that we saw around generational wealth building. 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.720 This was an eye opener for us because what that 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.280 showed us was that there is a context this kitchen 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:17.240 table and your question about you know, are people aware 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:20.360 of different kitchen tables that exist? No, I don't think 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.160 that people are aware of different kitchen tables that exist. 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.320 I think the learning curve, of the learning curve of 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:36.520 America broadly is sadly lacking, especially when it comes to 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:43.520 thinking about how different decisions affect different communities disproportionately. And 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.840 so when I think about the Black community in particular, 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:50.960 and even within the Black community, there are different kinds 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:57.640 of kitchen tables, right. So, how people understand these issues, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:15:02.760 how people hear these issues, how they affect the women 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.800 in these communities is a matter of are you willing 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.400 to listen because what you here might not be what 0:15:09.480 --> 0:15:12.480 you expect, and it might not be what you're prepared 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:17.080 for Luckily, some of the things that we heard, like 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.000 fifty percent of the women that we surveyed said that 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.240 they were struggling to make ends. Me Now, intellectually, we 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:30.240 understand that wages have been depressed for the past forty 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:35.080 years or more, but what we weren't aware of was 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:40.280 the depth of that intensity they've been The women that 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:45.240 we spoke with were so, we're so, how can I 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:50.840 put the word the pressure of that struggle what that 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:56.800 meant for them? We heard a woman say I can't 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:01.880 die because I have nothing to pass on to my kids. 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.760 When we heard that in our and we had focus 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:10.000 groups that we called kitchen table conversations because we wanted 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:15.280 to build a table where our survey participants could gather 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.240 and we were doing this all on zoom, so that 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.040 they could share with one another and see that they 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:26.160 weren't alone and have a conversation about their common experiences. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.640 And it was a deeply rich conversation. And we heard 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.640 stories like this continually. And so what does it mean 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:39.720 to not just advocate for a policy that says, yes, 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:43.600 black and brown women need equal pay, but to know 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:47.239 that if they don't get equal pay, it is creating 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:52.360 mental and economic pressure so large that they feel that 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.800 they have to stay alive in order for their families 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.640 to make it, rather than you know, having enough so 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:07.960 that they can go through healthcare crisis, um, job crisis, 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:13.520 any kind of crisis, confident that their families are taken 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.800 care of. We also heard I just I want to 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:22.080 interrupt for a second, because you know that sentiment from 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:28.160 from from one of your participants just hits so deeply, right, um, 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.399 And I think you know, one of the things that 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:35.560 I find really troubling is that in American society, we 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.880 have mainstream has become comfortable with black suffering and pain. 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.520 So while we know these things to be true, while 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.880 we know that these you know, economic gaps and gaps 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:53.840 in um, in instability and wealth um persist and we're 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.959 created on purpose, how do you utilize the information that 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.800 you have gathered to not say, oh and so here's 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.440 another way, right that that that that black and brown 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.159 women are down trodden. But how do you how do 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.879 you make the case that their plight is a plight 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.880 on our overall success? You know, because I think that 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.800 that to me is where is where the problem is. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.840 We know that black and brown lives in this country 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.199 don't matter right like that is that we are. We 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:28.439 are showcased that every single day. And so how do 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:33.440 you connect you know, the reality of what this participant 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.440 is saying, which I'm sure millions of black and brown 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.600 women can relate to and relate it to the whole, 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.800 so that the mainstream that dismisses us in general realizes 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:49.160 that their struggle is a shared struggle. I love that, Um, 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:54.840 I love that question. Um. Shared struggle is uh something 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:57.080 that we talk a lot about here at r A. 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.880 And when we were having these kitchen table talks with 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:06.000 the survey participants, one of the questions I asked was, 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:10.760 what does the story you want to change about you 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.560 and your community in the media, in public perception. And 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:21.119 by and large, the main story that they wanted to 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:27.160 change about themselves was We're doing everything right. We are 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.280 doing exactly what has been asked of us. We're going 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:34.800 to school, we are working. The majority of the people 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:39.240 that we surveyed had jobs. The majority of the people 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:45.160 that we surveyed were married or partnered. The overwhelming majority 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.680 of the people that we surveyed had kids. Those are 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:54.560 literally the marker of the American dream. Get married, have kids, 0:19:55.200 --> 0:20:00.399 have a home, get an education, do good. These people 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:05.480 are doing good. Black and brown women are doing good. 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:10.920 We believe the dream, and I think what is important 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:16.720 is to not concentrate on the trauma or the poverty, 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:24.040 porn of Oh, here's another community that is oppressed what 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:29.840 we want. I believe that in order to change what 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:34.080 needs to be changed, everyone needs to agree on that 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:38.080 shared vision of what it means to be here. All 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:42.000 of us deserve a chance to thrive. All of us 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.359 deserve an opportunity, and I think that is what the 0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:50.920 crisis is facing us right now. We all need to 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.639 agree that we all deserve a chance to thrive and 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.520 take care of our families, or we don't. That's the 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.320 choice that's in front of us. And the way we 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.360 come at it as an organization is presenting that future 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.560 to the people who have the ability to help us 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:17.199 reach that future. They need to know this is what 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:21.560 our communities are experiencing and if we believe that there 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:26.800 is a path forward, these moms are just as important 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.560 as the top one percent. We cannot have a great 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:34.520 society if we are only thinking about what the top 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:43.320 one percent need. 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Listen to Indisputable with Doctor Rashad 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.640 Ricci on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:29.240 If you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:39.679 so you never miss a new episode. Do you think, Delia, 0:22:39.800 --> 0:22:46.399 that there are more people that are invested in the 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:53.399 oppression then there are people invested in the idea of 0:22:53.600 --> 0:23:00.119 shared struggle. And what I mean by that is I 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:05.320 want people to have deeper empathy, right, like to have 0:23:05.400 --> 0:23:09.480 empathy outside of how things affect them. But what we've 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:12.520 seen over the last three years is that a majority 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:15.080 of people are maybe half fifty percent are in it 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.800 for themselves, right, Like we couldn't get people to wear 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:22.120 a mask, a thin paper cloth right to protect themselves 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:26.360 and also by virtue, protect people around them. They didn't care. Right, 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:32.919 this is a this is a community societal issue. And 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:37.000 so I'm just wondering, like, is there more people who 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:41.600 don't care and are invested in the continued oppression of 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:45.440 said group because they're part of the one percent? Right? 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.720 The one percent only functions if you have a permanent 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:52.880 working class that is desperate, right, that will accept your 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:55.800 low wages, that will accept your lack of healthcare, that 0:23:55.840 --> 0:24:00.240 will accept your dangerous work environments because they are treading water. 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:05.040 Or do you believe that there is there are more 0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:09.680 people who are invested in this significant societal shift, but 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:14.880 we just need to message to them better. So I 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:20.919 am an idealist, and I also read national polls, and 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:25.359 so both of these things together show me that the 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:37.280 average American person actually believes in equality when they are 0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:49.600 presented with questions about economic fairness. Yes, they do believe 0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:54.960 that people need to earn more than a minimum wage. 0:24:55.560 --> 0:25:00.320 They believe that the sub minimum wage is not enough 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:05.160 to get by. They believe that women should be paid 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:11.320 should be paid as much as their male counterparts get paid. 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:20.080 They believe that reproductive healthcare should be available to pregnant people. 0:25:21.480 --> 0:25:26.879 So the majority of the American voters out there actually 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.960 believe in the same things that we believe in. So 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.920 what's the issue. The issue is that the other side 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:40.080 has a really big and really well funded megaphone, and 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:47.960 that megaphone has been loud, constant, and super disruptive over 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:52.959 the past five to six years, and that is a 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:58.360 lot of noise to get through. Now. Is messaging the 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:02.000 only way to get through that noise? No, But I 0:26:02.080 --> 0:26:07.080 do think that messaging does help, and I'm really happy 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:10.719 to see that there have been some significant changes in 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.919 the past couple of years. When I think about the 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:17.240 me invigorated worker justice movement that's going on right now, 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:23.919 and reinvigorated worker justice movement is being led by women, 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:28.240 young people, and people of color. That is not your 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:33.000 granddad's union, are, you know? And that gives me so 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:38.400 much hope, so much fire and the rest of us 0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:43.919 normal everyday people need to take inspiration from that and 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.400 help that along. And so how do we do that 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:51.119 on a community to community person or person level. I 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:56.639 think about what I think about when I have a 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.800 conversation with a grocery store worker, I have to become 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.400 empathetic to their situation. I am not going to lose 0:27:04.480 --> 0:27:09.400 my issue because someone is having a bad day at work, 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.760 because I know, but they're getting paid. They are getting 0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:16.399 paid minimum wage. They have probably been passed up for 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:22.200 promotion multiple times, and so our system it is hard 0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:25.359 to change the system, and there are many, many people 0:27:26.040 --> 0:27:30.760 lined up to prevent us from changing the system. And 0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:33.679 you can't just change a system with one vote. You 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:38.240 need multiple votes. You also need some community and people 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:41.600 power to go with that, and we need to start 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:46.760 telling different stories in the public square about why this matters. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:51.720 There are some fantastic activists out there. When I think 0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:54.840 about the people that we work with who are working 0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:59.040 to change the mind parts and minds around the care economy. 0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:04.880 Why are caregivers important to our society because without caregivers, 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:10.600 women drop out of the workforce. Why is a thriving, 0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:16.480 more robust minimum wage important because without it, women who 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:22.080 work in certain industries get sexually harassed because they're held 0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:27.399 hostage to their economic situation. And so the vision of 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:30.919 this world needs to be one based on liberation, freedom, autonomy, 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:36.199 and opportunity, and everyone deserves that, particularly the communities that 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:40.120 have been shut out of that. So long, Dahlia, last 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:45.920 question for you, what is your singular message to voters 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:51.120 right now who say things like both parties aren't doing anything, 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:55.400 I'm not going to vote, nothing's really going to change. 0:28:55.520 --> 0:29:03.120 Nothing has ever changed, plenty has changed, plenty has changed. 0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:09.040 I personally, which that I could snap a finger and 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:13.239 incremental change could go by the wayside. But I know 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:17.160 that that is not how things work right now. Things 0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:20.800 haven't changed because the numbers aren't working in our favor. 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.040 The margin that we have is too small to actually 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.920 mitigate the barriers that are in front of us. So 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:35.160 first we need to change the numbers voting in order 0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:37.680 to change the numbers. I never look at my voting 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.720 practice as a one shot, a one shot deal that 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:47.000 solves everything. It is one tool in many tools that 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.200 I have available in front of me, and so one 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:55.040 tool is voting. Change the numbers, get rid of the barriers. 0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:04.600 Second tool, hold the new numbers accountable. Most people don't 0:30:04.640 --> 0:30:09.400 even talk to their elected officials, and so if you 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:12.360 don't talk to your elected officials, how do they know 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.720