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Speaker 3: dot com. Good morning, everybody, Happy Tuesday. We have an

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Speaker 3: amazing show for everybody today. What do we have, Crystal,

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Speaker 3: indeed we do.

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Speaker 2: In fact, we're a little late getting started here because

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Speaker 2: a bombshell just dropped from Vanity Fair with this interview

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Speaker 2: with Susie Wiles. She's in all kinds of stuff. Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has the personality of an alcoholic Jadevance, the conspiracy

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Speaker 2: theorist Elon Musk is on drugs, the put the cases

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Speaker 2: just spend some time digesting that and inserting into the show.

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Speaker 2: So we will get to that in the latter part

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Speaker 2: of the show. A lot of the other stuff to

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Speaker 2: get to as well, though we're horrific details the murder

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Speaker 2: of Rob Reiner. His son has been arrested, possibly that

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Speaker 2: he will be charged today. We also have Trump reacting

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Speaker 2: possibly imagine, and actually facing some Maga backlash. We've got

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Speaker 2: some I guess you can't call it exclusive, but we've

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Speaker 2: got some audio from Emily's radio show where Trump voters,

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Speaker 2: three time Trump voters, were calling in and saying they

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Speaker 2: were disgusted by what he had to say about Rob Reiner.

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Speaker 2: So kind of an interesting one that seems to have

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Speaker 2: broken through to a lot of people, even his own voters.

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Speaker 2: We also have some new details about the shooter, the

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Speaker 2: Their Fox News is launching their own war on Christmas

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Speaker 2: Cash Mattel is doing an interview while there's a mass

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Speaker 2: an interesting choice. We're going to talk about that aforementioned

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Speaker 2: Susie Wiles's interview and want to Bead Rojas is going

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Speaker 2: to join us to break down the presidential election in Chile.

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Speaker 2: They just elected a far right leader, kind of a

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Speaker 3: Ryan really wanted to get into it yesterday, but I

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Speaker 3: with Rob Reiner. Not only the case, but Trump's comments

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Speaker 3: me considering all the things Trump has said in his career, Crystal.

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Speaker 3: But this does seem to be much of a bigger

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Speaker 5: the afternoon, LAPD responded to a residence the residents of

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Speaker 5: Rob and Michelle Reiner, located in West Los Angeles Division.

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Speaker 5: At that location, they found two deceased adults, a male

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Speaker 2: And we're getting some more details from the LA Press

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Speaker 1: It was like violating the very natural.

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Speaker 2: how can you be friends with this person who's so

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Speaker 2: different from you. He's like, listen, those are just political differences.

434
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Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking about what this man meant to me

435
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Speaker 2: in my life. Laura Ingram posted an interview that she

436
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: had done with Rob Rydner where she said, you know,

437
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Speaker 2: I ran into him and we had a very amicable,

438
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Speaker 2: you know, friendly exchange where we don't agree on things,

439
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Speaker 2: but it was a fine conversation, and he immediately agreed

440
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Speaker 2: to come in studio and sit down with me and

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Speaker 2: do an interview. So I found that noteworthy too, that

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Speaker 2: those Fox News personalities were approaching things in that manner.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I think there's something to what you're

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Speaker 2: saying here. So I'm gonna put a ten up on

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Speaker 2: the screen. There's some polling that came out from NBC News,

446
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Speaker 2: where Trump's strong approval with his base has fallen. Oh sorry,

447
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Speaker 2: this is a saddle throw to it in just a second.

448
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Speaker 2: And even though there's still overwhelming support for him among Republicans,

449
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Speaker 2: you have a little bit of erosion, and then you

450
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Speaker 2: specifically have erosion between you know, the story of Trump

451
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Speaker 2: and his superpower has always been he may not have

452
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Speaker 2: majority support, but man, his people are ride or die

453
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: and they freaking love the guy that has really eroded.

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Speaker 2: So when you couple together all these factors, you've got

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Speaker 2: number one, you just had the Charlie Kirk assassination and

456
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 2: Republicans who hated the way. You know, people on the

457
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Speaker 2: left who were critical of Charlie right after he was dead,

458
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 2: they found that horrible. I mean hundreds of people got

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Speaker 2: fired for comments they made about Charlie Kirk, even comments

460
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Speaker 2: that weren't like celebrating his death, but were just saying, hey,

461
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Speaker 2: here's what he said in life, and I don't like

462
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Speaker 2: the legacy that he stood for. And so you just

463
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Speaker 2: had that whole moment. On the right, you had a

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Speaker 2: number of people in camput A nine. This is Jack

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Speaker 2: Pisobik up on the screen a number of right wing

466
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Speaker 2: influencers who before Trump comes down, is saying, see how

467
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Speaker 2: much Morley's have morally superior we are. You won't see

468
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Speaker 2: people on the right celebrating the horrific murder of Rob

469
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Speaker 2: Ryer and his wife. Compare that to the left reaction

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Speaker 2: to Charlie Kirk's murder. And of course after that Trump

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Speaker 2: comes in and says, this thing. Jack is still coping

472
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Speaker 2: over this, but whatever. So you have that dynamic. You

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Speaker 2: have Rob Reiner being this just well known figure that

474
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Speaker 2: had all of this sort of cultural cultural relevance to

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Speaker 2: people in their own lives and really meant something to them.

476
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Speaker 2: And then you have Trump, lame duck duck people already

477
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: dissatisfied with a lot of things in his administration. One

478
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Speaker 2: of the callers on Emily's show said, you know, it's

479
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Speaker 2: not like things are going that well, and then for

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Speaker 2: him to say this, you know, it's just like horrible.

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Speaker 2: So let's go ahead and take a listen to a ten.

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Speaker 2: This is Harry Enton breaking down some of that polling.

483
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Speaker 1: Strongly approve of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is twenty twenty four Trump voters in March

485
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Speaker 3: it was sixty six percent.

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Speaker 1: Look at where we are now.

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Speaker 8: It's just fifty percent of twenty twenty four Trump voters

488
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Speaker 8: strongly approve of them.

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Speaker 1: Look, Trump voters still.

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Speaker 12: Like Donald Trump, but they don't love him as much,

491
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Speaker 12: and that means there's a permission structure to actually.

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Speaker 1: Go against them.

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Speaker 3: And that is exactly what you saw in Indiana and Soccer.

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Speaker 2: The other thing that poll showed is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they ask people Republicans, do you identify more as a

496
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Speaker 2: maga Republican or more as a traditional Republican. Throughout the

497
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Speaker 2: Trump era, the consistent trend has been you have that

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Speaker 2: more Republicans who identify as maga Republicans. Those numbers also

499
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Speaker 2: shifted dramatically where I'm not sure if it was quite

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Speaker 2: a majority yet, but it was basically fifty to fifty

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Speaker 2: between people in the Republican Party who said I'm a

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Speaker 2: Maga Republican and who said I'm a traditional Republican. And

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Speaker 2: that in and of itself is a huge political shift

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Speaker 2: in people's political identities.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, I mean, I've hammered that home, haven't

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Speaker 3: I talking just about I'm like, yeah, you may lose maga,

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Speaker 3: but that's not who voted for you in the election.

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Speaker 1: That's not how you win a popular vote.

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Speaker 3: I do think to that straight comment about things not

510
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Speaker 3: going so well, it kind of says everything. You know,

511
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Speaker 3: people are very understated in the way. Nobody necessarily has

512
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Speaker 3: a totally coherent political ideology. It's very rare for people

513
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Speaker 3: to think deeply about politics. They generally just observe external conditions,

514
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: either through media their own life, kind of fuse those

515
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: together and that's how they just feel in the moment, right,

516
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Speaker 3: And that's how people can have so many contradictory beliefs.

517
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Speaker 3: But I have to believe that the material way that

518
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Speaker 3: things are going in combination with Ryner, I mean, let's

519
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Speaker 3: also think back to a core case that Maga made

520
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four. A core belief was I could

521
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Speaker 3: sure you some mean tweets right now, and the thesis

522
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Speaker 3: behind that was that these Rhiner esque comments are fine

523
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Speaker 3: as long as other things in the country and my

524
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Speaker 3: own life are going fine. Now, when you have it

525
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Speaker 3: when things are not fine, that's when you know, you

526
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Speaker 3: start to notice a whole lot of different things, right,

527
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Speaker 3: And I think that's what it ultimately comes down to. So,

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Speaker 3: for example, part of the reasons that Biden's gaffes or

529
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Speaker 3: his age or any of that hit home so hard

530
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Speaker 3: for people was that things were not going well under

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Speaker 3: his administration, like we've had ailing and old President's potentially

532
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Speaker 3: even going senile right in the past. But as long

533
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Speaker 3: as you feel like things are going fine, you're like, yeah, whatever, right,

534
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people. People will can overlook anything.

535
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 3: People can overlook Bill Clinton in a sixty percent approval

536
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: rating whenever he left office, despite all the Lewinsky bullshit. Yeah,

537
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: the s and P five hundred was high. So the

538
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: rich people were happy, and most people they're you know,

539
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: average income and all that had been going up for

540
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Speaker 3: over eight years, and they say, yeah, whatever, Okay, Yeah

541
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Speaker 3: he lied about his affair with Monald Lewinsky, so be it.

542
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Speaker 1: That doesn't actually affect my life all that time.

543
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: But and this is the reverse, is that when you

544
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: have that dominating your life, politics and you feel as

545
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 3: if it's not just a distraction, but it's one that

546
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Speaker 3: I mean, look, no one has ever made the case

547
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Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is a man of a true moral

548
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: character or in any way not a narcissist. But there's

549
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: something where, at the end of the day, one of

550
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 3: the core things about politics. People have always pointed to,

551
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 3: is that metric about cares about people like me? And

552
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 3: it's pretty obvious, like Trump has never really cared about

553
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: people like you. But you know a lot of people

554
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 3: can think about that or rationalize that if they want to.

555
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: In this moment, it becomes so obvious where ninety nine

556
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: point nine percent of the human population is like, oh

557
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 3: my god, like what a horrific just what a tragedy, right,

558
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what most people would think, That's how

559
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: most people would react. Then you combine that with you know,

560
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 3: the effect that this person's art has had on your life,

561
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: inspirational or you know, I mean, look, it's sappy and

562
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: all that, but like when Harryman said, like these are

563
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Speaker 3: iconic movies, He's like, you know, you walk around New

564
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: York or whatever, and you're like, that's what you think.

565
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's cringe, but that's what I did.

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Speaker 3: That was my only connection to the city prior to

567
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 3: being you know, prior to being there, and so that

568
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: was important. And so you have all those like little

569
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: moments and then you see something like this or you're

570
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: just like, who would do this?

571
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: Who would do this?

572
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: On top of Venezuela Israel, Epstein, and then the economy,

573
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Speaker 3: the single and the most important one.

574
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. It broke the up and

575
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Speaker 1: the ballroom.

576
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Speaker 4: I mean, that's all the things for the ball We

577
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Speaker 4: were true, You're right.

578
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: We were surprised really broke through to people because it

579
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: was such a symbol of like, this is the shit

580
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Speaker 2: you're focused on. You're building out your multi hundred one

581
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar ballroom and that's what you're paying attention

582
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: to while I can't afford groceries and we're headed into Christmas,

583
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: Like what is happening with this? But you know, I

584
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: mean I think with Ryan or two, like Americans love

585
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: their celebrities. That's a good, big part of the reason

586
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: why Trump is in the White House is because we do.

587
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 4: We love our.

588
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Celebrities, and it's something I am in a sense, I'm

589
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: a little bit. So I could have seen Trump going

590
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: in another direction because Trump does understand that relationship that

591
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 2: Americans have to their celebrities, and so I could have

592
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: seen him taking a different approach. But ultimately, you know

593
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: his instincts for if you're an enemy, you know, doesn't matter,

594
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: live dead, whatever, Like like I'm I'm never gonna be nice.

595
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 2: I will never forgive, I will never forget, I will

596
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: never never be cordial. That is just not something that

597
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: he will ever overcome.

598
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: And actually, Susie.

599
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Speaker 2: Wells, we'll get to this later, had a little bit

600
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Speaker 2: of something to say about that in this crazy interview

601
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Speaker 2: that she gave to Vanity Fair.

602
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you know, I also think that the

603
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: Charlie kirkping can't be understated, right, because we did live

604
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: through kind of a moment where people are like, hey,

605
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: like we need to have a set amount of discourse

606
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: when somebody dies, even a controversial figure, somebody overtly political

607
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: like Charlie Kirk, And there was literal state power, there

608
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: was an entire ecosystem dedicated to enforcing this type of

609
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: norm and then immediately.

610
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Speaker 4: Over six hundred people got fired.

611
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think some of them deserve to be fired.

612
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Speaker 1: I think that's fine.

613
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Speaker 3: And it's one of those though, where you can't hold

614
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 3: that opinion and then also look at Trump's comment and

615
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: not say anything. So there's also I mean, that's only

616
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: what ninety days, It hasn't been that long since he passed.

617
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Speaker 3: It's only been a couple of months, so this is

618
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Speaker 3: still fresh in a lot of people's memory, and you know,

619
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Speaker 3: you got to remember, for people who aren't overtly again political,

620
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Speaker 3: let's just say like kind of right leaning ish, they

621
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Speaker 3: found the Charlie Kirk thing horrifying for the murder, and

622
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Speaker 3: I think some of them took it seriously. What people

623
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Speaker 3: were saying, We're like, yeah, it's horrible, we should and

624
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: celebrate anybody's murder, anybody's death. And so then to explicitly

625
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 3: then turn around and do it, you know, from the

626
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Speaker 3: President of the United States himself, is shocking, I think

627
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: for anybody who took those types of ideas seriously. But

628
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 3: I think finally, really what it is to me is

629
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: Trump the magic sauce, whatever it is that has held

630
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: him together for ten years, That old Donnie always wriggled his.

631
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Speaker 1: Way out, and I think he will.

632
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: You know, legally, I'm not saying that, you know, the

633
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: walls are closing in or any of that. I just

634
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: think his specter of untouchability is starting to fall apart.

635
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 3: It's been that way for a couple of months, but

636
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: this one that you know, it's the stuff like this watch.

637
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: I always assumed, I go, look, people just don't care.

638
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: I don't get it. Never will not. My cup of

639
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: tea never has been for how somebody who can operate,

640
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: you know there at the highest level.

641
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: I was like, but you know that that's me being

642
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 1: out of touch. But maybe not.

643
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: Maybe's people are starting to you know, kind of surface

644
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 3: back to reality. Maybe it was just ten years of madness.

645
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, but this very clearly has broke in

646
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: the paradigm.

647
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Speaker 2: Well, you and Ryan played a sat from him yesterday

648
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Speaker 2: where he was talking about bringing the troops home from Sarah,

649
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Speaker 2: how that workout anyway? And it was from what like

650
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen somewhere in there.

651
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: I have the cat behind me now and I was like, wow,

652
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: he looked so much more alive. He his color was different,

653
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: like he It really brought home for me just how

654
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Speaker 2: much he has aged over the past number of years.

655
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, I don't think that can be

656
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Speaker 2: discounted here either. When you're talking about whatever his magic sauces,

657
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 2: he's kind of losing it.

658
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he is, he is.

659
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Speaker 2: I mean, the vigor is not there, the sense of

660
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 2: where the American people are isn't there. You know, even

661
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Speaker 2: maybe the like whether or not he cares what people think.

662
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: He's he's old, he's you know, not going to be

663
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Speaker 2: around forever. And you know, as you've become older, you

664
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Speaker 2: kind of you lose your patience, you lose it was

665
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Speaker 2: your self restraint. All of those things happen as people age,

666
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Speaker 2: and so I think that's part of it too, is

667
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Speaker 2: just like, you know, he's an old man and he's

668
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: really starting to show it.

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Speaker 1: You might be right.

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Speaker 3: You know, what did we always say under Biden? You

671
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: revert to the me. You know, you kind of revert

672
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Speaker 3: to the mean of exactly who you are. And it's

673
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: a stressful job no matter what you know ornery, even

674
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 3: if you don't even work that hard, it's still hard.

675
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Speaker 3: It's just difficult job. It's the hardest job in the world.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. Again, I fully don't know.

678
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Speaker 3: I think this is one of the most interesting political moments,

679
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Speaker 3: just sociologically, that I've seen in quite some time, because

680
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: never I never see you know, normal Trump voting women

681
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: be like.

682
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Speaker 1: I'm so disgusted by this. I never see that.

683
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 3: It's always I mean, come on, you've met these people

684
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 3: too in real life.

685
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: It's always like what about ism or the left and.

686
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Speaker 4: Whatever, fine or like I don't like it, but I

687
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 4: like it. But there was no butt with this.

688
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean, by and large, it was like, I don't

689
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: like it, period, period, end of story.

690
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 4: This is a major disappointment and he needs to do better.

691
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. So interesting in its own right.

692
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: Turning down to you the Brown University shooting and the

693
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Speaker 3: hunt for the suspect after two students were tragically killed

694
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Speaker 3: in circumstances that we still do not yet understand. Ryan

695
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: and I covered the FBI's failures yesterday with the release

696
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: of a so called person of interest. The name was

697
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: leaked to the news media and it was a huge

698
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: screw up by the FBI. Trump On now under fire

699
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 3: by Cash Btel's handling of the case, defending Cash Hotel

700
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Speaker 3: and actually casting blame on the local police department.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 13: Has Cashptel told you why it's been so difficult for

703
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Speaker 13: the FBI to identify.

704
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Speaker 4: Who the shooter is?

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Speaker 6: Well, it's always difficult. So far, we've done a very

706
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 6: good job of doing it with Charlie, with you know,

707
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Speaker 6: the various times this has happened. They've done it in

708
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Speaker 6: the pretty much record time. But you didn't really have

709
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Speaker 6: to ask the school a little bit more about that,

710
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 6: because you know, this was a school problem. They had

711
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Speaker 6: their own guards, they had their own police head, their

712
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 6: own everything. But you'd have to ask that question really

713
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 6: to the school, not to the FBI. We came in

714
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 6: after the fact, and the FBI will do a good job,

715
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 6: but they came in after the fact.

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00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Came through after the fact, talking casting blame there on

717
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Speaker 3: the local officials. I mean, remember, look, I mean I

718
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 3: do think that the local officials haven't necessarily handled themselves

719
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Speaker 3: the best here.

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Speaker 1: But let's be very clear.

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Speaker 3: The FBI is the one who screened that so called

722
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: person of interest. They're the ones who touted it on

723
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: social media as if it was some sort of victory.

724
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 3: Now speculation remains about who leaked the name of that individual,

725
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: who again we are not going to say his name.

726
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 3: This is a you know, decorated US Army veteran member

727
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: of the Honor Guard whose name was besmirched in the

728
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: public life, dissected disgustingly, I would add, as a result

729
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: of their handling. And by the way, just in case,

730
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: I know, we'll get to that in a bit, but

731
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,720
Speaker 3: the current director of the FBI has an interview airing

732
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Speaker 3: today with his girlfriend about their love story and how

733
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Speaker 3: they met on Katie Miller's podcast. Yes, I know it

734
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 3: was probably filmed earlier, but I'm sorry, just not really

735
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Speaker 3: what I think that the director of the FBI should

736
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: ever be doing out there in public. I mean, it's disgusting,

737
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 3: it's shocking, and I think that this does highlight just

738
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: the sheer amount of incompetence within this bureau and it's

739
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 3: law enforcement and how they continue to tell us how

740
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: these are the best in the brightest, and we are

741
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Speaker 3: watching a shooter who has now escaped justice for more

742
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 3: than forty eight hours. Brown University, a campus which has

743
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Speaker 3: now reportedly have been papered in eight.

744
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: Hundred cameras crystal.

745
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: Very few clear photographs of the person of suspect that

746
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: have been released yet to the public. Here is that

747
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: specific question being posed to local officials last night at

748
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Speaker 3: a newscast.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 14: Ron University is the most camera ridden, most preconscious piece

751
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 14: of real estate for r Island, and yet there seems

752
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 14: to be little or no video evidence outside of that clip,

753
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 14: you know, respecting the investigation, is there a lot more

754
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 14: video that we're just not able to see yet because

755
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 14: of the ongoing investigation, or is there simply no video.

756
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Speaker 13: So we shared with you the other day, is what

757
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 13: we have that we could have shared, and then we'll

758
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 13: continue to again. We're continuing to collect evidence as we speak.

759
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 13: We have detectives out there trying to continue to define

760
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Speaker 13: So I don't want to tell you that there's no

761
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Speaker 13: more video because we might find something within the next

762
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Speaker 13: few minutes. So so yes, it's possible.

763
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Speaker 1: But what we gave you is what we have.

764
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Speaker 3: We're giving what we have. What we have is not

765
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Speaker 3: very much. Right now, let's go and put the video

766
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 3: up here, guys, please on the screen, just to show

767
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: you some of the video that's been released. I mean,

768
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 3: this is I'm sorry, like I can't really see anything

769
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: here about what's going on with this suspect is leaving campus.

770
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: It appears we do have I think a little bit

771
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: more that has been released there from the FBI and

772
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 3: some images which we can put up here on the screen.

773
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 3: Just a couple other images that were released here a

774
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: mass individual wearing a sweatshirt with a beanie. Kind of

775
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: difficult to see any of the facial features. But you know, honestly,

776
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 3: the video, the images that were released in the aftermath

777
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: of Tyler Robinson of the Charlie Kirk assassination were much

778
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: more clear and obviously led to his apprehension very quickly

779
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: in the immediate aftermath. So there are some crazy questions

780
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: here that are being asked here about the ability of launch,

781
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: What is the purpose of all of these eight hundred

782
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Speaker 3: cameras and of ring and of AI did crime detection

783
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: and all of that when we're days now after this

784
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: shooting and there's still nothing yet been released allegedly. Remember

785
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 3: these have they have the most sophisticated technology for cell

786
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: phones and for all of that, and ultimately they've got nothing.

787
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got video coming out from the scene

788
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: crystal of them, you know, like canvassing of different buildings

789
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: that are nearby. But it does not look in any

790
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 3: way like they are close to apprehending us. Up we

791
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: hope that they are. If you do see something, if

792
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 3: you recognize that person, call the FBI, call local police.

793
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: We hope that you do in this person is brought

794
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: to justice. But you can't help but just spotlight the

795
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: failure of the FBI here two back back high profile cases.

796
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Speaker 1: Total failure and to.

797
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 2: Your point, I mean, if we're going to live in

798
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: the palanteer mass surveillance state, the least we could get

799
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: out of it is some like, you know, effective crime

800
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: fighting here, right, I think that's the bare minimum we

801
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: could ask for. And look, they're probably going to find

802
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: this guy. Probably there's someone out there who will see

803
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 2: these images and you know, the like he's a kind

804
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: of a grofy guy.

805
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 4: They'll recognize the body type.

806
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: They'll say, I've seen that guy, you know, with that

807
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 2: that particular fleece, Like this may triger something for someone.

808
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: That's what happened with Luigi Mangioni, That's what happened with

809
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson. So I think I think we will probably

810
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: end up capturing this guy. But yeah, to be this

811
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: many hours later and still have so little to go on,

812
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 2: and then to go back to what Trump was saying there,

813
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Speaker 2: First of all, it sounded like he was blaming like

814
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: not even the local PD, like the campus security, like

815
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: they're the ones who are supposed to be doing some

816
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: like national or international manhunt.

817
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Speaker 4: Preposterous.

818
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Speaker 2: Second of all, the FBI was perfectly happy to wrap

819
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Speaker 2: their arms around this and claim that this was all

820
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: their victories. When they thought that they had the killer

821
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 2: in custody, and now that the whole thing is a

822
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: shambles suddenly, Oh it's the local PD's fault. Like just

823
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just total incompetence, completely shambalic. How many

824
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: times have we had these situations unfold? Or with the

825
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: shooting of the National guardsman in DC, remember Cash came as, oh,

826
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Speaker 2: we have a suspect custod No, you were looking for

827
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Speaker 2: the suspect. We're looking for the suspect. No, you actually

828
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: have that one, that one you actually have. It's embarrassing.

829
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Speaker 2: And then you couple on top of that, apparently what

830
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 2: he's spending his time doing is sitting down for this

831
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: interview with Steven Miller's wife to talk about his love life,

832
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: like what is going on? And uh, you know, of

833
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: course Cash's image already has been completely destroyed by his

834
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: handling and being the public face of the Epstein Files

835
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: cover up, so just you know, really covering himself in

836
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: glory here.

837
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I look again, the girlfriend interview. Can you imagine

838
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: Jaggar Hoover sitting down in the middle of I don't know,

839
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: the Kennedy's that were the hunt for who's the bank robber?

840
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 3: John Dillinger and he's like, let me tell you about

841
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 3: my well, I mean secretly.

842
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 4: Well, there were a lot of there was a lot

843
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 4: of interest in his love.

844
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I was.

845
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,959
Speaker 1: I mean maybe maybe it was true.

846
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: But just imagine him sitting down or Robert Muller, right,

847
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 3: Robert Muller sitting down for an interview about his Catholic

848
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: relationship or something.

849
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Speaker 4: Christopher Ray.

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Speaker 2: I mean they ended up hating him, right. Can you

851
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: imagine the way mag I would have melted down if

852
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 2: he was out there, I mean married, like about his

853
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: love life. I think when she met his wife or whatever.

854
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: Like it's not about man, It's like, we should melt down.

855
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 4: This is crazy, this is crazy, ridiculous.

856
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: I can't live like this.

857
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: And he's of course using all these public resources to

858
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: fly around to her, like singing at the wrestling event

859
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: and whatever, and it's.

860
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Speaker 4: Just just unreal.

861
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: And I do wonder, you know, I feel like every

862
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: time Cash gets liberal press criticism it helps to keep

863
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: him in the job longer. But I have to think

864
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 2: Trump is to the extent Trump cares about anything at

865
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 2: this point, I have to think he's looking at this

866
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: guy and going like, I don't know, I don't know,

867
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Speaker 2: and you were saying, Oh, I think we have this.

868
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Speaker 2: Actually B five up on the screen. I guess Bongino

869
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: was back to angsting over whether or not he's gonna

870
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Speaker 2: stay in his job.

871
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 4: This is from Fox News.

872
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 2: Deputy FBI Director Dan Bongino will decide about his future

873
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 2: at the bureau in the next few weeks. He's already

874
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 2: been sort of sidelined because I don't know if you

875
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: guys remember, he already had one of these like I'm

876
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: going to just leave for the weekend decide what my

877
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: future is going to be. He so he's already been

878
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: kind of like sidelined and sort of replaced by someone

879
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: else in his position. Of course, he still technically has

880
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: the job. So anyway, we're back to angsting about Dan

881
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: Bongino and what his future path is going to look like.

882
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 3: Look, I'm making fun of some of this, but this

883
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 3: is not a joke, right. You know, two people lost

884
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: their lives. Let's go to quick before. Up here on

885
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: the screen, you have two students. I mean, these kids

886
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 3: were in the prime of their lives nineteen twenty years old.

887
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 3: You have Ella Cook and I hope I say this correctly.

888
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: Mohammad Aziz Umurazakov identified as the two killed in Brown University. Apparently,

889
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: you know, at least one of them. They weren't a class,

890
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 3: they weren't even necessarily supposed to be in, just you know,

891
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: two students. They had big dreams.

892
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: One I think Ella, you know, she was involved in

893
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: Republican politics.

894
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: Muhammad disease. He you know, wanted to be a doctor.

895
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 3: You know, look it's his Brown University is one of

896
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: the toughest universities in the United States to get into.

897
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: They really, you know, they were going places. At least

898
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 3: that's what the people around them said. And that is

899
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: why we're supposed to not have FBI directors who go

900
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 3: on podcasts to talk about their love life.

901
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: This is serious business.

902
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 3: This is something that you've been entrusted by the public

903
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 3: to take seriously and to do. We've given you extraordinary powers.

904
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: You're supposed to work on our behalf. You're supposed to

905
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: keep us safe. And when people perpetuate, you know, horrific

906
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: crimes like this, you're supposed to catch them.

907
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: You're supposed to catch them immediately.

908
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: And it's not about tweeting out pictures about how great

909
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 3: of a person of interests about doing the job, bringing

910
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 3: a prosecution and bringing justice because there's a couple of

911
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 3: families out there who are broken. And so that's what

912
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: I think makes me really sick about this entire thing

913
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: is that, you know, this, this has consequences. And it's

914
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 3: funny to laugh at the girlfriend podcast and all that

915
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: and the clear obsession over public image and the damage

916
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: that the Epstein file is handling and all of that

917
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 3: has had. But it's just like the Epstein case, it's

918
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: not just a case that we're talking about. These are

919
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 3: you know, little girls who were victimized, right, you know,

920
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 3: by wealthy, powerful people, and it was used potentially on

921
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 3: behalf of state actors, but ultimately the real victims.

922
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: Right.

923
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 3: So yeah, I feel repulsed honestly about this because you've

924
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: got these two families probably desperately checking the news, just

925
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: want to know what happened.

926
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: The worst possible thing just happened.

927
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: To them, and how many more who were injured who

928
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: are in the hospital right now, and how many more

929
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 2: psychologically traumatized. And meanwhile, you have you know, an entire

930
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: school community, an entire town that's like, am I safe?

931
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 12: Here?

932
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 2: There's a mass shooter who is still on the loose,

933
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 2: and they have no idea where this person is. And meanwhile,

934
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: you know, the President of the United States is saying

935
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: it's not really our problem, and Cash Rettel is doing

936
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: sit downs about his girlfriend and his love life. You just,

937
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you just can't make it up. You cannot

938
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: have influencers in like these positions of power.

939
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 4: It's utterly, utterly insane.

940
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: We also wanted to talk a little bit about some

941
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 2: Republican response to the attack at Bondai Beach in Australia.

942
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: Another just horrified, absolute tragedy unfolding. They're the number of victims,

943
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: you know, people there to celebrate Hanukkah, just absolutely horrific.

944
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: And the response to that from some on the right

945
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: has been just, I mean, I don't even know what

946
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: to say. I can put this up on the screen.

947
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 2: Tommy Tuberville, senator from Alabama, gave a whole floor speech

948
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: about how you know Muslims are terrible and evil. Just

949
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: En masks not you know, individual people with radical ideology

950
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: known all Muslims. He says, Islam is not a religion,

951
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: it's a cult. Islamists are not here to assimilate, They're

952
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 2: here to conquer. Stop worrying about offending the pearl clutchers.

953
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: We've got to send them home now or it'll become

954
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: the United Caliphate of America. We also have Vicki Palladino,

955
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: who is a councilwoman. She represents Staten Island in New York,

956
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: and she says, and keep in mind New York, a

957
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: city with millions of Muslims, including now the mayor elect

958
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: of the city. She says, we're in the midst of

959
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: a global jihad the likes of which the world has

960
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: never and we cannot ignore it. We need to take

961
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: very seriously the need to begin the expulsion of Muslims

962
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 2: from Western nations, or at the very least the severe

963
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: sanction of them within Western borders. The administration needs to

964
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: begin developing a formal legal framework for the denationalization process

965
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: and get it over with before we end up with

966
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: another nine to eleven or worse. Enough is enough now.

967
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: I do think that she ended up deleting that tweet.

968
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: But then of course we've got Randy Fine, who you know,

969
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: always covering himself in glory, so more just disgusting commentary

970
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 2: from him saying that, you know, all Muslims must go

971
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 2: diversity is not our strength. And nine to eleven wasn't enough.

972
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: October seventh wasn't enough. Muslim immigrants are attacking and killing

973
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: non Muslims in America wasn't enough. So remember Saber, how

974
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: how Rashida sale was censured for just saying, you know,

975
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: in the context of like Palestinian liberation from the river

976
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: to the sea, Palestine must be free, and she was

977
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 2: censured by Congress. Now you have people who are out

978
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: and out calling for the expulsion of all Muslims, whether

979
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: they're immigrant or non who are completely demonizing an entire religion,

980
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 2: and there's very very little pushback here. But the most

981
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: important thing that I wanted to highlight so that people

982
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: understand what's going on outside of just being thoroughly disgusted

983
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 2: by this open bigotry and how much this is just

984
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 2: accepted now in the Republican Party and in the mainstream

985
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 2: is Ryan and Dropsite covered how the Israelis had done

986
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: a bunch of testing about like, Okay, what do we

987
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: do to get people back on our side, And the

988
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: thing that they found was the most powerful was to

989
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: stoke anti Muslim hate, to stoke Islamophobia. And so this

990
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: is a sort of desperate. I see it as a

991
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: desperate and concerted strategy to try to get Republicans in

992
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 2: particular back on board with Israel being our great ally

993
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: and you know, oh, we've all got to like link

994
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: arms and fight the bad Muslims together. That's what this

995
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 2: is really at its core, A bottom his cords about

996
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: hatred and bigotry and all of those things, But this

997
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: is also sort of a desperate strategy to get people

998
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 2: to stay in line with Israel being on our side

999
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: and you know, and us sharing the same enemies.

1000
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 4: So we've got to.

1001
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,799
Speaker 2: Support them no matter what and give them whatever they want,

1002
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: no matter what.

1003
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: Right.

1004
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: I mean, by the way, you don't even just need

1005
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: drop shout out to drops out or not. They didn't

1006
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 3: do anything wrong. But you know, read the Charlie Kirk

1007
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: letter that he sent to Benjaminett and Yahoo.

1008
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: It was released for everyone to see.

1009
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 3: He's like, you guys are losing support to way to

1010
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 3: combat that is to demonize Islam.

1011
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: Charlie was doing a lot of that right before he died.

1012
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: I took took notice of it, and because I you know,

1013
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: know what's going on. You could see very clearly in

1014
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: what direction, and you know, I've I've talked about this.

1015
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. They genuinely seem.

1016
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 3: To believe that you are allowed to group in the

1017
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: actions of a fe individuals and decide that that is

1018
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: representative of the entire ethnic religious faith, and that thus

1019
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: that will never backfire on you, even though that is

1020
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 3: literally the hard and soul of the you know, their

1021
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 3: cause that they've decided to fight with everything they have

1022
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 3: anti Semitism. I have no idea how you cannot think

1023
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 3: that openly normalizing this type of rhetoric and a framework

1024
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: of looking at the world is not going to come

1025
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: back and bite you in the ass. We talked about

1026
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: this during the whole Nick Fuintes Piers Morgan thing right.

1027
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 3: Nick is very honest actually about that worldview and how

1028
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 3: he can and then apply it to Jewish Americans or

1029
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: to Jews more broadly. But they seem to think that

1030
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 3: you can have it both ways. You actually cannot if

1031
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 3: you're going to let this out in terms of Pandora's box.

1032
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: And that's honestly why I find so disgusting about it,

1033
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: because you know, you say it's about hatred and bigatory.

1034
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I don't even I think they're

1035
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: so cynical that they're just willing to say anything, you know,

1036
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 3: to defend their pro Israel.

1037
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: Cause I'm not even sure if they really believe this stuff.

1038
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: It's really just.

1039
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: I think Randy Fine probably does.

1040
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: Randy probably does, Tommy Tupperville, many of the other so

1041
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 3: called influencers and others are just looking at the memo

1042
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 3: of this.

1043
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so.

1044
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: And I mean, look, I'll have I'll happily talk culture

1045
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: with anybody anytime of the week. But I can't sit

1046
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: here and then pretend, you know, because I can't sit

1047
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 3: here when I know that this is in the service

1048
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: of a support of a country which has a right

1049
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: to rape protest, I can't, right because I'm like you

1050
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 3: guys literally had protests about the right to rape. You

1051
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 3: have openly a government which wants to celebrates the murder

1052
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: of women and of children and of max expulsion of

1053
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: a population. There is no moral equivalence or there is

1054
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 3: no sorry, there is no like moral superiority that if

1055
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 3: anything right now right, things are trending a little bit

1056
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: in the other direction in terms of who has power

1057
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 3: and actionalizes it, let's say, on the world stage.

1058
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

1059
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 3: I mean that's my personal view of this, and I

1060
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: do just think it's really gross, how cynical and how

1061
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 3: open it is out there, and ultimately, you know, for

1062
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: Jewish Americans, I think this is just the worst thing

1063
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 3: that you can do. I really do. It's like, if

1064
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 3: you guys want to engage in this, you are not

1065
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: going to win. People are going to start thinking explicitly

1066
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: in ethno religious terms, and you know, they talk noticing

1067
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: is something that's like a meme right out there.

1068
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: They'd apply that to Muslims.

1069
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, fine, then you know it's like, you

1070
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 3: guys really want to quote notice about support for Israel.

1071
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: And about lobbying and about.

1072
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 3: Pushing you know, certain agendas when you're in power, Like

1073
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: it's just not going to work out for you. I

1074
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: choose to look at the world in terms of individuals.

1075
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: I think it should too, and it's just and allegedly

1076
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: that's a promise of America, but they don't want that,

1077
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: And yeah, I think this will.

1078
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: I think this is a.

1079
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: Catastrophic mistake for the Jewish community and for Jewish Americans.

1080
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, that's that's what they've decided to

1081
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: push at the very least, the pro Israel part a contingent,

1082
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 3: let's say, and uh yeah, I think they're going to

1083
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 3: rue the day that they wanted to normalize this type

1084
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 3: of rhetoric.

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00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: I keep thinking back to Laura Lumer, who you know,

1086
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: describes herself as proud islamophobe and certainly backs that up

1087
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 2: in all sorts of ways, going back and forth with

1088
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: someone on Twitter, and she says to them, you're a Muslim,

1089
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: and they come back with your a Jew. And basically

1090
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 2: the you know, and and so basically what the zion

1091
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 2: Is like, the right wing pro Israel supporters and you know,

1092
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: Israeli officials themselves are hoping is that they can win

1093
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 2: that debate, that they can come out on top and

1094
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: convince people that it is worse to be a Muslim

1095
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: than it is to be a Jew. But buying into

1096
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 2: because I mean, Israel is it is an ethnos nationalist,

1097
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: Jewish supremacist state. That is the best rock political ideology

1098
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: undergirding the entire project. That's why you have apartheid, that's

1099
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: why you have ethnic cleansing, that's why you have all

1100
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: this concerns about you know, the demographics, and that as

1101
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: some existential threat.

1102
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 4: So that is their view.

1103
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: They have a fundamentally they have a fundamentally ethno nationalists

1104
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 2: and ethno centric racialist view. And so their bet is

1105
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: we can convince at least the American right. I think

1106
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: they've given up on the left, but we can at

1107
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 2: least convince the American right that the Muslims are worse

1108
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: than the Jews, and therefore you gotta stick with us.

1109
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: That's the bet they're making. Good Luck, good luck with that,

1110
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: good luck with embracing an overtly racialist, identitarian worldview and

1111
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 2: not thinking that that is ultimately going to come for

1112
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: Jewish people. I think it's a horror. And I mean

1113
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: we've seen throughund history like what the you know, what

1114
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: people reach for, like the old horrors that people reach

1115
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 2: for with regard to Jewish people when you have these

1116
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: overtly racialist identitarian project So in any case, that's what's

1117
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: going on with the Republicans. And I do want to

1118
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: say too, you know, for all these media figures Jake

1119
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: Tapper and Dana bash and whoever else who had absolute

1120
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: multi day meltdowns over Rashida Talib, embracing equal rights from

1121
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: everyone and you know, doing rally chants and now have

1122
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 2: very little to say about Randy Fine and Tommy Taberville

1123
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: and Vicki Palladino, like we see you, we see you,

1124
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: we see what's.

1125
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 4: Going on here?

1126
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: Interesting?

1127
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what's look this is there was a

1128
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: core project about rejecting identity politics right throughout the entire

1129
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: last decade, and I think a lot of people good

1130
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 3: faith believe that.

1131
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: I certainly did.

1132
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 3: I was like yeah, I was like, wow, this is

1133
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: really horrible, Like this is bad, it's leading.

1134
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: You might not have seen this. We may want to

1135
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: cover it on on Thursday.

1136
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: There's a viral essay in a magazine Compact, which one

1137
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 3: writes for, and it's about this explicit regime within a

1138
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 3: lot of elite companies over the last a decade or

1139
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: so fifteen years where they decided to explicitly say, let's

1140
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: not hire millennial young white men.

1141
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: And the essay has gone very viral.

1142
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: It's actually very selective and interesting because like boomer white

1143
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: men got to keep their jobs, but it was much

1144
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: more directed. But like you look at how much rage

1145
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: that can you know inspire? I think not only the

1146
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 3: people who were discriminated, let's say, against themselves, but to

1147
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: what mindset and what ends that that can bring. And

1148
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 3: these people seem to just think that they're going to

1149
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: win this like immediate term war where they're just going

1150
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: to convince people that only Muslims, let's say, are dangerous

1151
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: look out for their own agenda and have you know,

1152
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: dual loyalties or anything. Again, Okay, I mean, you cannot

1153
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 3: put that cat back in the bag period whenever it

1154
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: becomes an outright view of explicitly looking at things like

1155
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: in terms. I mean I saw it recently. I don't

1156
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 3: forget exactly who it was. Was like what's wrong with

1157
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 3: the whites only immigration policy? It's like, okay, I know,

1158
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: you know if it's one of those where, uh, then you.

1159
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 12: Cannot complain Australia had a white's only immigration policy and

1160
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 12: that it's a shame that they got and they got

1161
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 12: rid of it because they didn't want to appear racist.

1162
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 4: So that is actually racist and that they should go

1163
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 4: back to it.

1164
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: So let's then let's do to the logic.

1165
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: So if you lose then and you're an opponent, and

1166
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 3: you lose and a opposing government decides to make an

1167
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 3: overtly racial view of immigration, how can you complain how

1168
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 3: could you possibly complain And so yeah, we are going

1169
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: to write what are you going to do about it?

1170
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 3: We beat We've decided to go in a different director.

1171
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: You can't bitch and complain about that. You can't by

1172
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: the way Australia had. You know, I'm not a great

1173
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 3: fan of Australia. I think the way they handled COVID

1174
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: was a disaster, et cetera. I have my disagreements with

1175
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 3: the government all of that. I think the one of

1176
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 3: the best immigration systems in the world. They have one

1177
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 3: of the high They have high merit based immigration for

1178
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: a long period of time, significance amounts of a similary.

1179
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: If our country looked more like Australia, I'd be a

1180
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: hell of a lot happy. But of course there's like this,

1181
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: They're like, well, it's just not why. I'm like, well, okay,

1182
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: if that's the world that you guys all want to

1183
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 3: live in, well then don't be surprised when that also

1184
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 3: just be not just used against you. You know, they

1185
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 3: talk about you know, white genocide or anything like that.

1186
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, but people might just end up embracing

1187
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: that fully. And you can't complain because the entire theory

1188
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 3: let's say around merit based immigration or any of that

1189
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: was we evaluate people as individuals, and Australia explicitly said

1190
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: we evaluate people as individuals and their ability to contribute

1191
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: to our nation, to our culture, and to make us better.

1192
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 3: And that's actually why they've had more of a successful

1193
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 3: immigration story than any western country in the world.

1194
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: And that's why when.

1195
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 3: I saw that, I was shocked by it, because you know,

1196
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: first of all, extrapolating a single incident is always a

1197
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 3: little bit ridiculous. You're supposed to look at things in

1198
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 3: the aggregated and more broadly and listen, it's to Australians

1199
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: to make their own decisions.

1200
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: It's not my country.

1201
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 3: You guys do as you would like purely as an

1202
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: outside observer. Though anytime you start to make overtly racial arguments,

1203
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: I just think, you know, first of all, don't be

1204
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 3: surprised when it's used against you. And second, you need

1205
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 3: to consider the thirtieth, fortieth, fiftieth order consequences of what

1206
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 3: all of that is going to look like. And I

1207
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 3: don't think that they are. I think that they just

1208
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 3: have no idea what they're playing with.

1209
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 2: It's also just like a larp and a fucking fantasy,

1210
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: Like we live in a multi ethnic country and that

1211
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 2: just is and it is a bedrock part of what

1212
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 2: America is. That it's not this like blood and soil project.

1213
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: It is a created thing, Like we came here, we

1214
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: colonized it, we created it based on these, you know,

1215
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 2: certain ideals which we have never fully lived up to.

1216
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: But that is what it is. And I was thinking

1217
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: about this aur like, you're from Texas. Texas is a

1218
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: majority minority state. Does it feel like it's not American?

1219
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: Does it feel like it's been you know, destroyed? In fact,

1220
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 2: it still votes very conservatively and the you know populations

1221
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: that are there are you know, very into integrated into

1222
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 2: American society, et cetera. I just, you know, it's disgusting

1223
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: and it's cruel and it leads to horrific things. So

1224
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't want to downplay it, but I also want

1225
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: to say, like, you're not getting your you know, white's

1226
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: only country that's it's not happening. You're not getting your

1227
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 2: repeal the Nineteenth Amendment because we don't like the way

1228
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: the women are voting.

1229
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 4: It's not happening.

1230
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: It's childish to pretend that this is like a real

1231
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 2: outcome that you're going to be able to effectuate.

1232
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 4: So in any case, long way of saying.

1233
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 3: I'm looking at Archexas, I didn't realize actually that it

1234
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 3: has fully flipped. So it's forty percent Latino, forty percent

1235
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: non Hispanic white, such a funny term, twelve percent black

1236
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: and five to six percent Asian, one percent Native American,

1237
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 3: and then three.

1238
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: It was like six sixty percent I mean percent minority.

1239
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 1: I was growing up there, Yeah, I knew a lot

1240
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: of guys who were.

1241
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 3: But see, that's kind of my point is that looking

1242
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: at things overtly racially is gross, Like that's not the

1243
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: point a truly about it at all.

1244
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: And that's fine if people want to do that.

1245
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: Again, I don't think it's going to work out for you,

1246
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 3: and I don't think it's necessarily correct. It's also just

1247
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: the way that you try to back engineer like greatness

1248
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 3: and let's say officially tied let's say to racialism is

1249
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: not one which first of all, like you just said,

1250
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: you're going to get the outcomes that you want us explicitly,

1251
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 3: because a lot of it is just like LARPing. But

1252
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 3: two also really ignores I mean this, you know, we

1253
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 3: were talking about this. Remember if the Fuenttez Pierce thing.

1254
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it would be insane to go back

1255
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 3: and to tell real Heritage Americans that some of the

1256
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: vanguard of their cause would be Italian Catholics. That would

1257
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: be unthinkable, literally unthinkable. They would be like, first of all,

1258
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 3: a person's not white and they're godless.

1259
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: That's how they used to think about.

1260
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: In fact, I would remind everyone when real Heritage Americans

1261
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 3: got the chance to enforce immigration policy and to vote

1262
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 3: an election, they explicitly rejected a guy named al Smith

1263
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 3: because he was a Catholic, and there were carts tunes

1264
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,959
Speaker 3: about Romanism across the entire country, and they shut down

1265
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 3: immigration for like forty five years because they were sick

1266
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 3: of a bunch of in.

1267
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: Their words, non white Irish.

1268
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 3: And Italians and Slovenians coming into the country and dirtying

1269
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: it up.

1270
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: That's what they thought about.

1271
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I mean, it's just ridiculous to see

1272
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: people who are the descendants of those people then claim

1273
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 3: you know that. I mean, it's fine. Look, you can

1274
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 3: say your ancestors have been here long.

1275
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1276
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: You could say that you know longer than me. I

1277
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 3: don't necessarily think cast and bloodlines should be one that

1278
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 3: we should determine our tear in society. In fact, I'm sorry,

1279
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm going along, but I feel strongly about this because

1280
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 3: my family is from a culture of India, right, and

1281
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 3: Indian culture is heavily They don't want to admit it,

1282
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 3: but it's true, is heavily cast based, which is not

1283
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 3: something that you can control. The most old world bullshit

1284
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: in the world is the idea that because of who

1285
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 3: your grandfather was or what you were born into, should

1286
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 3: determine the fate of your entire life.

1287
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: Right.

1288
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 3: That's almost an explicitly Western and American thing, which we

1289
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 3: say you leave that behind, you come here, and you

1290
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 3: embrace a certain set of ideals.

1291
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: I think that's great, you know, I really do.

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Speaker 3: If anything, a lot of my criticism of some of

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Speaker 3: the Indians here now currently is that they're not leaving

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Speaker 3: a lot of that bullshit behind, and I.

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Speaker 1: Think that they should.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I just you know, to see it renormalized

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Speaker 3: more recently in an American context, which I have, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's like, oh, my family's been here for four generations.

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Speaker 3: I think that's phenomenal. I have a great veneration for

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Speaker 3: all of our history. And you know, venerating that is fine,

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Speaker 3: but you know, than to tear in terms of what

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Speaker 3: that means explicitly for like who counts or not. You're like, well,

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Speaker 3: and especially when we're talking about only citizens here, not

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Speaker 3: even just people who are if we're talking not when

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Speaker 3: we're talking about non citizens. We're talking about people who

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Speaker 3: are explicit citizens of the United States of America. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm that just seems to me. You know, they people,

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Speaker 3: these are the biggest critics of third world ism. That's

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Speaker 3: the most third world bullshit that you can ever do.

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Speaker 3: It really is great point. And I tell you this

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Speaker 3: to someone whose parents are from the Third World. When

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Speaker 3: I go over there and you see the cast oh

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Speaker 3: my god, it drives me nuts, nuts when people talk

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Speaker 3: about cast and who's marrying who and oh that's violated.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it repulses me. Repulses me. And so

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Speaker 3: that's the last thing that we need over here. It's

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Speaker 3: just very antiquated old world ideology, which but again it

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Speaker 3: doesn't breeds. You know, white nationalists love to talk about

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Speaker 3: India's you know, all failed problems.

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Speaker 1: I blame that.

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Speaker 3: That's a big part of the reason why is the

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Speaker 3: explicit class culture same in the UK, they have huge

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Speaker 3: class problems about ascendency and the ability to do it.

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Speaker 3: Let's leave it all behind people. But yeah, that's just

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Speaker 3: one man's vision of the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking, I responded, I was kind of trolling,

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Speaker 2: but I mean not what I said, But I was

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Speaker 2: also kind of being intention provocative. On Twitter, someone shared

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Speaker 2: this like, oh, whites were eighty percent nineteen twenty and

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Speaker 2: or this percent now and blah blah blah, and I

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Speaker 2: was thinking about that. I was like, what does that

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Speaker 2: even mean, because the definition of white is not even

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Speaker 2: the same over those years. Like in my own household

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Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty, I am literally the only person in

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Speaker 2: my household that would be considered white.

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Speaker 4: So like, so much of this is just meaningless garbage anyway,

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Speaker 4: But in any.

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Speaker 2: Case, obviously it has yea like see the miller who's

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Speaker 2: leading a bunch of this bullshit, Like when his family

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Speaker 2: came over here, they were not considered white as they were,

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Speaker 2: you know, Jewish refugees from what is now Belarus, and

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Speaker 2: yet you think that you know, this should be some

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Speaker 2: blood and soil white at no nationalists you're leading this

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Speaker 2: White's only refugee policy anyway, I find it. I find

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Speaker 2: it disgusting, I find it counterproductive. I find it fundamentally

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Speaker 2: anti American, And I also think that as a project

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Speaker 2: to doom to fail. And these people have convinced themselves

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Speaker 2: that the American people agree with them, and I think

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Speaker 2: that that is wrong. In fact, I think, to your point, Sager,

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Speaker 2: what we saw in the backlash to Woke and the

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Speaker 2: identitarian excess of the left is proof that the American

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Speaker 2: people really do believe in like aspiring to that colorblind

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01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: vision at core. They like that idea and that concept

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Speaker 2: of I think so too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if anything, overtly kind of embracing any of

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Speaker 3: this is the worst possible argument you could ever make

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Speaker 3: about at least again, just one man's opinion. But I've

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Speaker 3: taken a look at a lot of the polling, and

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Speaker 3: I've thought a lot about what went wrong with immigration

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Speaker 3: agenda here of the Trump administration, and I do genuinely

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Speaker 3: think that so many people thought about a universalist language

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Speaker 3: of control about their border and a very idea of

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Speaker 3: we need to know who's in our country, it does

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Speaker 3: seem unfair. Again, in my opinion, you can disagree that

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Speaker 3: people get to come here illegally and just work and

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Speaker 3: just decide that they get to stay here.

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Speaker 1: I think that's wrong. I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: agreed with that.

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Speaker 3: However, however, and this is what people don't seem to understand.

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Speaker 3: When you enacted in a way which has been described

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Speaker 3: as performative cruelty, which you know, it probably hits it

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Speaker 3: a little bit on the nose, but when you also pairrot,

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Speaker 3: let's say, with racial language, which is now more increasingly popular,

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Speaker 3: not just from the government necessarily, but from a lot

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Speaker 3: of the commentariat, and it becomes to be viewed as

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Speaker 3: that way that is not the same as the universalist

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Speaker 3: kind of idea of control which led many Latino Americans,

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Speaker 3: Asian Americans. You know, this is one of the most

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Speaker 3: non white Republican coalitions in American history, which I think

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Speaker 3: Libs should sit with right about what that means, also

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Speaker 3: about who can and come in with that. But it

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Speaker 3: can also be something that falls apart whenever it's enacted

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Speaker 3: or at least viewed necessarily in this way. So I

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Speaker 3: know we went very off track, and I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 3: I do think it's important. I do think it's important

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Speaker 3: for people to kind of understand the broader motivations about

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Speaker 3: all this topic of Islam. And I'm not some big

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Speaker 3: defender of Islamic culture. I don't want it, don't like it,

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Speaker 3: had lived underneath it, hated it. But I'm also not

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Speaker 3: a dupe to see what this exactly this is being

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Speaker 3: used for right now, and that's why I would say

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Speaker 3: everybody's eyes should be a little bit open right now