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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Professor Penn Podcast. David Penn, your host,

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Speaker 2: We have a guest in studio today of someone who

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Speaker 2: Steve was a candidate in the twenty twenty four cycle.

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Speaker 2: That's being a Republican.

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Speaker 2: Republicans involve themselves in civic life, and I think something

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Speaker 3: Got away from our principles.

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Speaker 2: We got away from our constitutional principles, and from our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I got involved in To be fair, I

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Speaker 2: You know, I felt I felt the poll too. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Because as I get farther in the story, you'll find

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Speaker 2: Let me get out of the way.

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Speaker 2: And I look at you and I say, Steve, I

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Speaker 2: That's what those conventions are all about, is disincentivizing the

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Speaker 3: Right, And I still didn't fully understand what was going

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Speaker 3: the principles that it was founded on. In the intent

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Speaker 3: behind the constitution, most people have no clue, even in

433
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Speaker 3: the Republican Party, right. So that was my focus, no

434
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 3: intention to run for office. In fact, my wife was

435
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Speaker 3: very supportive of everything I was doing with the constitution,

436
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Speaker 3: classes and stuff, even though I didn't have I was

437
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Speaker 3: running a business. We had five kids, we adopted three.

438
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 3: Our lives were pretty busy, right. But the one line

439
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: in the sand was you're not running for office of

440
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Speaker 3: any kind. We're talking like local county commissioner or anything

441
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: any level. And I was fine with that. You know,

442
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: we were in a place that it didn't make sense.

443
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: And you talk about faith. Some will find the reason

444
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Speaker 3: why I ran to be crazy, kooky, made up. I

445
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: don't care whatever. I'm going to tell you the truth.

446
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 3: This is why I ran I would be out working

447
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 3: at the time I was doing the lawn care business

448
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 3: brain fertilizing lawns, running that i'd be out working. And

449
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 3: I just had this this pit, this this feeling that

450
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: I that I had to run for that office, specifically

451
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 3: that congressional seat. It wouldn't go away. And I had

452
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Speaker 3: no idea why. I had no aspirations, didn't want to.

453
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Speaker 3: That's not where you start. You don't start at that level, right,

454
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Speaker 3: None of it made sense. So I just prayed about it, said, God,

455
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Speaker 3: if this is what you want me to do, I

456
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Speaker 3: I guess I'm willing. I don't want to, but I'm willing,

457
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Speaker 3: But you're going to speak through my wife because I

458
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Speaker 3: hadn't even mentioned.

459
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Speaker 2: It to her what I was thinking, you were struggling

460
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Speaker 2: with this.

461
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Speaker 3: I didn't evention it to her because I knew how

462
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Speaker 3: she felt about it, and she's she's amazing, and she

463
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Speaker 3: would have been supportive and would have been like, well,

464
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Speaker 3: you know, if that's what you need to do, on

465
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Speaker 3: behind you, But yeah, I didn't want to put that

466
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Speaker 3: on it. Right.

467
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Speaker 2: Well, she'd already created a boundary.

468
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Speaker 3: Right, and and I didn't want I didn't I didn't

469
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Speaker 3: want to put that on her. You know, that wasn't fair,

470
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Speaker 3: and so pray to bout. I said, God, if you

471
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Speaker 3: want me to do this, speak through her. And so

472
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Speaker 3: we're sitting in the living room two weeks later, not

473
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Speaker 3: even two weeks later, and we're talking about it. They

474
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 3: just got through the I think that was just after

475
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Speaker 3: the governor election, talking about stuff, and she just looked

476
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Speaker 3: at me. She goes, you know what, I think it's

477
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Speaker 3: time you need to run for office. And I went wow.

478
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Speaker 3: I mean she said that. She goes, looking back, and

479
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 3: you look like he'd been had by a truck. I'm like,

480
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 3: I felt I had been hit by a truck, you know.

481
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Speaker 3: So so it just started out this journey where it's like,

482
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Speaker 3: all right, we'll just keep we don't know what this means,

483
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Speaker 3: we don't know what the purpose is, we don't know

484
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Speaker 3: what the outcome is, but we'll just keep going through

485
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: open doors until that door gets shut, and just try

486
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Speaker 3: to be obedient in it.

487
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Speaker 2: I think that just let me book down. You said

488
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Speaker 2: something that I think is really critical. We don't know

489
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 2: God's plan and we don't know what I don't know

490
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: what my place is in the plant, so I try

491
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: to stay away from figuring stuff out. Now at this

492
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: point in my life, it's not always but yeah, well

493
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 2: I just try to figure out what do I got

494
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: to do today? And when I you know, this idea

495
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 2: and people are going to say, well, well, wait a second,

496
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: maybe Boyd's a schizophrenic. I mean, because people are going

497
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 2: to say, maybe depends a schizophrenic. Well, I'm going to

498
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 2: tell you. Having a relationship with the Holy Ghost is

499
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: like going on down to the batting cage and hitting fastballs.

500
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: First time you get in the cage, you're not going

501
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: to hit the ball. You got to stay in that

502
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: cage and keep practicing. The requirement is upon me to

503
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Speaker 2: make myself available. God's always available, you know. It's me,

504
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: my arrogance, my sin that creates that separation. So when

505
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: we really want to find out, like you're leftist in

506
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: your listening and you're going, nah, these people suck. Hey,

507
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: let me tell you, just as a matter of self exploration,

508
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: like the Marines be all you can be. Wouldn't you

509
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: like to know whether or not this is true? Because

510
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: this guy, he's a straight shooter. He doesn't seem like

511
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Speaker 2: a you know, he's very soft spoken, doesn't seem like

512
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: a crazy I am a little bit wilder, but I

513
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: run a business, I've got kids. I'm you know, grounded

514
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: in reality, and that this is part of my life

515
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: and it's part of your life. We can talk about.

516
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Speaker 2: And I feel sometimes sorry for people that don't believe.

517
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: So easy for it would be for them to discover

518
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Speaker 2: a relationship with the most High God if they put

519
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: their arrogance down. You got to empty your cup. They

520
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: say this in the in Asia. If you want to

521
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: learn something, you got to empty your cup first. You can't.

522
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 2: How can you pour more into the cup if the

523
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: cup is full, got to empty it out first. You

524
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: got to start with you know what, Maybe I'm missing something.

525
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time. You're an expert on

526
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: half the story. That gets you a C minus at best.

527
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: You're missing well, they say that half the story's never

528
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: been told. Right, So when you say you had that

529
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 2: and then you had the awe of Lord. If you

530
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Speaker 2: want me to do this, speak through my wife. And

531
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Speaker 2: you're sitting there less than two weeks later, and your

532
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: wife is saying this to you, which is a reversal

533
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: of her previous boundary. You must have been flored.

534
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: I was floored. And I'll say, you know, I got

535
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: asbout as clear of a answer as anyone's going to get,

536
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 3: you know, outside of the audible voice. Right. That doesn't

537
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 3: mean I accepted it right away. You know, I'm still

538
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: fighting it. I mean I don't want to take that on.

539
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to do it right.

540
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means.

541
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Speaker 3: Right, And so I still thought it. I still questioned it,

542
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: but it was just confirmation after confirmation it's going to

543
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: get beat over the head. So I finally just surrendered

544
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 3: and said, all right.

545
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: You didn't know what the plan was, but you woke

546
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: up that day and she said, I think you should

547
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: run for office. Had a you had a mission suddenly,

548
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: right that you didn't know you were going to have, right.

549
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: In My faith carried me through that. But also a

550
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 3: quote from John Quincy Adams was really I just had

551
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: to remind myself not every day, like every hour of

552
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: every day, right, was his quote? Duty is ours? Results

553
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: are gods?

554
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: Say that again, place.

555
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 3: Duty is ours, results are gods.

556
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: We don't know the plan, right, He's just said it right.

557
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: There, and win or lose, it didn't really matter if

558
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: we're if we're doing what we're supposed to do.

559
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: We don't know what the plan is and how everything

560
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: fits together and what it means and how we're building forward.

561
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: Of course, if we have faith, all things function for

562
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 2: good right.

563
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you that that mindset of you know,

564
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 3: win or lose, that's not what matters. It's how we

565
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: do it. That's not real popular in the political world.

566
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: You know, that's just very very appropriate. There's a woman

567
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: that was quoted in the Star Tribune today, Kelly Fanton,

568
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, there's a group of people that say,

569
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 2: you know, winning, it's the only thing, and they don't

570
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: like it when I say, no, if we went through lyon,

571
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: we didn't really win. You know, we just had a

572
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: North Star they call it the north Star Forum was

573
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 2: run down here by the Star Tribune, the very even

574
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: handed Star Tribune, and they were talking about the future

575
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: of the Republican Party of Minnesota, and they had Zach Duckworth,

576
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: Julia Coleman, and Tim Polenti on a panel and it's

577
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: on you can go see it on YouTube, and both

578
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: Tim Polenti and Zach Duckworth talk about the trick is

579
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: to appeal to the base of these crazy ass mag

580
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: of voters and appeal to the centrists and the moderates

581
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: so that we can get a trick. They actually said it.

582
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 2: It's on it's on video. They actually talk about the

583
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: importance of tricking people to get elected. Not something you

584
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Speaker 2: ascribe to.

585
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 3: No, No, I think that's uh, frankly, why we keep losing.

586
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: We agree about that. See we've never spoken before. Isn't

587
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: it great to find a kindred spirit? That's just great?

588
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 3: Well, David, you haven't. I had so many people that

589
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 3: I know supported voted for me that didn't agree with

590
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: me on of what I believed in, but they wanted

591
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: genuine They wanted real, They wanted someone who's willing to

592
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: have a conversation, simple as that. And I think I

593
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: think that's a bigger majority of the population we than

594
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: we realized.

595
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: Tanner, didn't we just have a poster on that talked

596
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: about authenticity. Yeah, that both of them did bearish. Mark

597
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: Mitchell and Richard Barris from Rasmussen. Then Richard Barris, they

598
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: both talked about how authenticity is the most important thing

599
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: right now.

600
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: Especially in the younger generation.

601
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: That's exactly what they said. They said that the younger

602
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: people have had it with the trick, they're looking for

603
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,479
Speaker 2: real And so you tried and I was there. I

604
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: went to some of your events. I saw you're very

605
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: soft spoken, very straight ahead. You just wrapped it out

606
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: this is what I believe, which was great. But while

607
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: you were doing that, this this, you made this commitment

608
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 2: to run. This must have been what twenty.

609
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: Three, Yeah, it would have been early twenty three.

610
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: And at that time you were a were on a

611
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 2: bpou or a delegate. What was your status in the

612
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: party at.

613
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: The So I was a I was a CD seven delegate,

614
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: a local delegate. Was not in the local BPO leadership

615
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: at that time. We had great, great options at that time,

616
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 3: but I primarily again was I was delegate, but I

617
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: was primarily focused on education stuff.

618
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: So you popped up and you said, here I am,

619
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: you're an educator. I did the same thing down here

620
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: with the masterclass. I was doing the same thing. What

621
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: is this constant? Where did they come from? What did

622
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 2: the people think when they wrote it? What were they

623
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: trying to accomplish? Let's discover what it is to be republican.

624
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 2: We were doing the same thing. We didn't even know

625
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: each other, I mean, because we both saw that the

626
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: party and the party participants were lacking in some fundamental

627
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: pieces about what we were espousing to be. You know,

628
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: it's not a social club or a party members. Being

629
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: a Republican is a lifestyle. It's a philosophy of life.

630
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: And you are trying to spread that to young.

631
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 3: People in an American I mean this is it's for

632
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: everyone to get back to understand the principles of why

633
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: we what we were founded on, how we ended up here.

634
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: And then also it helps you understand too, how we

635
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 3: how we ended up here, how we are, what we

636
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 3: are today as a nation, how far away we are

637
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: from those basic basic principles.

638
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: And I have a very simple diagnosis for that. It's we,

639
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: the people are ill. We've fallen away from what made

640
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: us great, which was our faith and our adherence to

641
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: the philosophy of republicanism. People don't know this, but you know,

642
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: every state is promised in the Constitution a republican form

643
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 2: of government. That's never been tested in court. But if

644
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: we keep going down this communist pathway, someone's going to

645
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: test it.

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00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: Well.

647
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you if you get away from the basic

648
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Speaker 3: the basis of truth for the argument, we can have

649
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: an argument over how to carry that out, how to

650
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Speaker 3: how to govern from a agreed upon basis of truth,

651
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,240
Speaker 3: a moral compact if you will, right, But once that's gone,

652
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Speaker 3: how do you how do you debate with someone? How

653
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: do you dialogue with someone? How do you govern with

654
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: someone that there is no basis of truth? It's all relative.

655
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 3: I mean that's where we I think, that's where we

656
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: really if you talk about Marxism, I mean, that's the

657
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: essence of it, right.

658
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Speaker 2: Well, the the the two philosophies, republicanism and Marxism, I

659
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: look in them as twins. They're twin philosophies, twins they

660
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: have the same mother and father. And the mother and

661
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: father of Marxism and Republicanism is the tyranny of feudalism.

662
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Both political philosophies emerged in Europe in an effort to

663
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: throw off the unholy rule of the church and of

664
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Speaker 2: the kings and queens, the hereditary rules of colonial the

665
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: colonial powers England, France, Spain. I mean, this was tough

666
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: to live there, because if you are a common person,

667
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: you are inventory. And somebody said, hey, wait a second,

668
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: these people get diseases and die, what is this. They're divine?

669
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Speaker 2: They're not divine. That's a scam. Okay, So the Republicans said,

670
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: everyone is a sovereign, we're all sovereign. That's a high

671
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: bar because it's a lot of personal responsibility. The Marxist said,

672
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,479
Speaker 2: that's a scam. Nobody's sovereign. People suck. So the two

673
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: philosophies are both wrecking balls for feudalism republicanism. And if

674
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: you're a Leftist and you're listening, it'll make you the

675
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: king or queen of your own life. You want to

676
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 2: stay at Marxist, you're just going to trade out one

677
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: group of unholy rulers for another. Only in Republicanism can

678
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: we be free. And you tried to teach that to

679
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: young people and you got caught up in the thing.

680
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: You had the pull, I had the pull, and all

681
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: of a sudden found yourself. I'm running to become a

682
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Speaker 2: US congress person right.

683
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Speaker 3: Well, And then just to kind of play off that

684
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 3: little bit too, it's also the recognition that those rights

685
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 3: that we have, that sovereignty that we have, doesn't come

686
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: from us, doesn't come from a government.

687
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Speaker 2: That's why the Marxists is the way they are. They

688
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 2: don't believe in God. They think God is a scam.

689
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Speaker 3: So of course, can you lose your value of life

690
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Speaker 3: as well?

691
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Speaker 2: You know, And that's where that is the fight that's

692
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 2: being had right now. And what you said is how

693
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Speaker 2: do we even talk to people who have a different

694
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Speaker 2: worldview and a different framework of things about humanity and

695
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: thinking about the nature of the universe. And I'm going

696
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Speaker 2: to say, very lovingly.

697
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: Well, we have to remember when we're having those I

698
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: get to ask this a lot when we do, especially

699
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: like youth events and stuff, is like, how do I

700
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: talk to someone that acts this way? You know, in

701
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: the wake of what happened to Charlie Kirk, right, you know,

702
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 3: he was a he was a model for having that

703
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: dialogue in that debate, without giving up, without giving in

704
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 3: holding the truth, but also doing it in a respectful

705
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Speaker 3: and loving manner. Right. My thing for them is it's

706
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: not always the person you're talking to that you're going

707
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Speaker 3: to reach And again, duties ours, results are God's, it's

708
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: not your. It's not on you whether that person is

709
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 3: convinced or not. But sometimes you got a whole other

710
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: group of people watching that dialogue. So if that's why,

711
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: we have to watch how we deliver the message, and

712
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: you're convincing others in that same debate.

713
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Speaker 2: I'm, for the most part on accent on the podcast,

714
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: I try to model respect and for all the people

715
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: that are going to listen to this now, many of

716
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: whom don't like me and don't like you. Hey, you're

717
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 2: welcome to come here. I mean, when I'm doing my

718
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 2: solo podcast, I'm a political educator. I'm going to tell

719
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: it like it is. But when I'm interviewing, you know,

720
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Speaker 2: I want to highlight each person, give them the respect

721
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Speaker 2: that they're due. Listen to me. I have to agree

722
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: with people. Just don't come in here and lie to me.

723
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Speaker 2: Come in here and lie to me. I'm gonna light

724
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: your ass up because I know when you're lying. You know,

725
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: I can feel it. And sometimes it's not about fields,

726
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Speaker 2: you know, I just know because I you know, I

727
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 2: have the experience that the education to know. And I

728
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Speaker 2: think you ran into some of that that backstabbing in line,

729
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Speaker 2: didn't you.

730
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, I think prevalent everywhere, but it's it's

731
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 3: also prevalent in our in our own party.

732
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Speaker 2: Well, that's really what I want to get to, And

733
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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you why. If you feel set up,

734
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: you can just take us in a different direction. But

735
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Speaker 2: I see that the party, led by its current cherry

736
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: Alex Pleckish, is trying to divert our Atta as if

737
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Speaker 2: the past has fallen away. What happened to you up

738
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Speaker 2: in CD seven, what happened to Royce White statewide? The

739
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: Michael Broadcorp Story, all this stuff. You know, it's like

740
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be ancient history, like it went away,

741
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: Like we're talking about the future of the party. But

742
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: the same people, I mean, you're still alive, kicking, and

743
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: you know you're right here, you're laying it out there.

744
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Speaker 2: I mean, Royce is running and the same people that

745
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: worked against you and Royce and other candidates around the state.

746
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't just you and Royce. A lot of people experience this,

747
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: you know, where the party would work against an endorsed candidate,

748
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: try to pervert the endorsement process. You know, these people

749
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: are still in the party. It's not like it's gone.

750
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Speaker 2: So for me, this particular broadcast is really about reminding

751
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: people all over the country, all over the world, how

752
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: perverse the professionals really are and to what lengths they

753
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: will go to hang on to power, not to serve

754
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: the common good. It's not about the common good. It's

755
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 2: about power and their personal benefit from being in power.

756
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Speaker 2: And I think you ran into that. Am I right?

757
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: Or am I wrong about that?

758
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean unfortunately, there's people that have their entire

759
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 3: identity wrapped up in their position in the party, even

760
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 3: if it's a volunteer position. Right, myself, my idmnity has

761
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: nothing to do with the party.

762
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Speaker 2: Me too, what you know, we've never spoiled. I think

763
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 2: this all the time. Why do these people cling to

764
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Speaker 2: volunteer positions that are ineffective? And what they're ineffective in

765
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Speaker 2: what they do? I mean, they don't even get the

766
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: joy of effectiveness. And I'm thinking, why do you care?

767
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: Why do you hate so much? What are you hanging

768
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: on to? Any other? That's in art?

769
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: Well?

770
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Speaker 3: I get you know, they talk all the time about unity,

771
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: and my question is always, okay, but to find what

772
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: we're unifying around? And the answer is always I've been

773
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: told multiple times my belief is that the Republican Party, conservatism, whatever,

774
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: we're joined by, excuse me, we're joined by a shared

775
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 3: set of views, principles, values, beliefs. Right, That's what makes

776
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 3: you or should make you a Republican or a conservative right.

777
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: I've been told over and over that, look, the only

778
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: purpose that the Republican Party has, the only reason we exist,

779
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 3: The only thing we should be doing is just electing

780
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Speaker 3: Republican candidates. That's our only function. And to me that

781
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 3: makes no sense when I talk about as a Republican party.

782
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: If we say we believe these things, we should also

783
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: be spending time convincing, espousing these beliefs, teaching, bringing other

784
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 3: people into the beliefs, the set of beliefs, right, and

785
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: really that that next step of electing Republicans takes care

786
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 3: of itself if we're actually doing the.

787
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Speaker 2: Job of building a community exactly, building a.

788
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 3: Community, unless, of course, you don't want them to hold

789
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: those people elected to those set of beliefs, you know,

790
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 3: that's then that's a whole different story. Right. But they

791
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: look at me like I've got a horn grown out

792
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: of my head when I say, well, in a off here,

793
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: why don't we spend time educating? Why don't we spend

794
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: time teaching people about what we truly believe. Why don't

795
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: we spend less time talking about how bad the Democrats are? Obvious, right,

796
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 3: spend less time just talking about how bad they are?

797
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: And more time talking about what we do believe and

798
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Speaker 3: what our plan is and actually inspiring people to.

799
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Speaker 2: Join clarifying what it is we believe, which we seem

800
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 2: be confused about that. That really is the core of

801
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: the disagreement in the Republican Party is we don't agree

802
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: anymore about what it is to be a Republican. And

803
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: you know President Trump, you know, he's shifting around out there.

804
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to get a good mooring. So

805
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: I say to people all the time, they go, did

806
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: you see what Trump did? No? Did you hear what

807
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: Trump said?

808
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: No?

809
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: Why I have no effect on President Trump. He doesn't

810
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: know my name, he's never going to know my name,

811
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Speaker 2: and he even less cares about my opinion. But in

812
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: my local precinct, my neighbors, I can affect my local neighborhood.

813
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: And that is what Republicanism in our Constitution is meant

814
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: to engender a sense for the common good. What can

815
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: I impact locally so that I can build that community

816
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: and coal less a set of beliefs. And look, you

817
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: and I I mean you know this. You and I

818
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: have not really spoken like this, and you just go,

819
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm amazed by it. I mean, I look

820
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: at it as this is just me. I look at

821
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: it as miraculous because we've never had this in depth conversation,

822
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: and everything you're saying. On my own independent pathway, I've

823
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: come to very similar conclusions thus far in the conversation.

824
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Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem. Too many people get their beliefs

825
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 3: about things politically, at least from their candidate, instead of

826
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Speaker 3: knowing what you believe, understanding it, and choosing candidates based

827
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 3: on those beliefs. It's been flipped. You know. You can

828
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 3: see it if a candidate flips their belief on something.

829
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Speaker 3: They say one thing and then start doing another. All

830
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, their team now believes that way or

831
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Speaker 3: excuses it, rather than holding to those principles that we

832
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 3: said we believed in. And so I guess it's no

833
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 3: different than in a tree where you're getting your piefs

834
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: from your pastor rather than you know, a relationship with

835
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Speaker 3: Jesus yourself and being in the word yourself. I suppose

836
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 3: it's the same type of thing. We're just intellectually lazy

837
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Speaker 3: all the way across the board.

838
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Speaker 2: Maybe, But I said, the problem is not our politicians.

839
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: We have a sickness in the people and the sickness

840
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: is reflected and projected externally. Yes, sick people, we get

841
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: sick candidates.

842
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 3: Well, we're getting exactly what we deserve.

843
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: You get the government you deserve. Who said that? Somebody

844
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: said that.

845
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, I was just thinking that. It's

846
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Speaker 3: Adam said that. I can't think it was. It was

847
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 3: one of those one of those incredible founders. Yeah, you

848
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: should know theft on my head. You get the government

849
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: you deserve, and what what do we have? Okay, So

850
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 3: what happened? You know, because.

851
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Speaker 2: This this idea for me about what happened to you?

852
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: I really don't know. I only know the broadest of

853
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: outline through rumor. And I would like to really get

854
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Speaker 2: it on the record for all the delegates that are listening,

855
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: in all the Minnesota voters that are listening, all the

856
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: voters all over the country, because I'm gonna tell you

857
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: down in Texas, Okay, Texas, which I know a lot about.

858
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the Republican Party of Minnesota, only with money.

859
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know it's like this, this is going

860
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: on everywhere.

861
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Texas has problems, that's for sure.

862
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: Right, So we can use your case as an example.

863
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 2: I would like to learn it as an example of

864
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: what happens when a outsider gets the calling to fulfill

865
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: his mission to pursue the common good and be in

866
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: civic life, and you just go about it and you're

867
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,959
Speaker 2: just not corruptible. You know, you're just going to say

868
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: this is what I believe, and if people come to

869
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 2: me and I win, great, and if I don't win, great.

870
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: As soon as you say that, that scares those Republicans.

871
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: That's a very frustrating candidate for people in power, one

872
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: that doesn't.

873
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Royce says the same thing may Egos, and Royce

874
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 2: just said it to someone. I was witnessed to it.

875
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: Mago is not tying up in winning and losing. I'm

876
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 2: just what Royce says, which I think is super cool.

877
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to hold the principle and try to move

878
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 2: people towards the principle. But I'm holding the principle. Tell

879
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: the story. So you you jumped up, you said you're

880
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: going to run what happened, Well.

881
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 3: I believe it or not, it's not a real welcome

882
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: thing for people to jump in and create a challenge

883
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: within the party. I think you're probably aware of that.

884
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 2: I am.

885
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 3: You know, you would think that we would welcome debate,

886
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 3: we would welcome competition. Being that we are conservatives and

887
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 3: you know, understand business and those types of things, you

888
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 3: would think we would welcome that chance to sharpen. But

889
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 3: that certainly wasn't the case with a lot of people.

890
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 3: They It was right off the bat, it was just

891
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: an indignant nature that well, how dare you challenge? How

892
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: dare you?

893
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: And you run challenging Congresswoman Michelle Fischbach, who is still

894
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: the congresswoman from CD seven. I have to ask because

895
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: when I read what Alex Plekish writes about her, because

896
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: he just endorsed her in a letter to all the

897
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: delegates before we even had a party process. And I

898
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: got this letter and I thought, Alex, what are you doing?

899
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: Who told you to do that? Did you come up

900
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: with this abomination on your own? Or has somebody got

901
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: their thumb on you now, because it was a very

902
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: bizarre letter to get the party endorsing a sitting congresswoman

903
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: who has to be candidate again in twenty six and

904
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: seeing the party's back in her, and it's like, what

905
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: kind of a scam is that? So you know what,

906
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 2: I only read the because you know I'm interested in

907
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: my own neighborhood. I only read the broadest outlines about

908
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: Michelle Fischback. Why did you challenge her? What was it

909
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: a about her? I'm really if you don't want to

910
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: get into the weeds about it, I get it, But

911
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: I want to know what is she doing that she

912
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: couldn't even be endorsed in her own endorsing convention, because

913
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 2: that was the result we'll get to. She couldn't get

914
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: the endorsement from her own party. It was tied if

915
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: I remember correctly. Why Why was there so much resistance

916
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: to her?

917
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 3: You know, And I'm not going to get too far

918
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: into the weeds on Fishbock, but would people I get

919
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: asked that question a lot, and it's really hard and

920
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 3: you might understand it, maybe you don't. I think from

921
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: understanding the story I told about why I decided to run,

922
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: it was never about Michelle Fishbock. Okay, it was never

923
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 3: about it. Like, yes, there are things I can point

924
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: to and say, I think a representative should spend more

925
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 3: time in their district actually interacting and being available and

926
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 3: taking questions and being accountable people. I think that's an

927
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 3: area of that Chinese A growing Now she's been better

928
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: at it last go around. I like to think that

929
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: we had an effect on that, right. I think it's

930
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 3: such a solid red conservative district. We should have a

931
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: rep from that And this is what I would talk

932
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: about this, We should have a rep from that district

933
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 3: that's willing to push that envelope, that's willing to be

934
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: bold on these issues. Lead in Washington, be outspoken, take

935
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: some of those tougher stances because you're you're secure. Yeah

936
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 3: you're not, you know. And they always like to point

937
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: back to Colin Peterson. How and we finally got away

938
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: from Colin Peterson. And you know, there's a lot of

939
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 3: credit to go around as to why Western Minnesota turned red,

940
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: but really what happened in Western Minnesota was the Democrats

941
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: walked away from Western Minnesota. You know, the Democrat Party

942
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 3: now is not the farmer Democrat Party of you know

943
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 3: twenty years ago. Right, they walked away. They're not getting

944
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 3: it back unless they if they get smart and moderate,

945
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: they could get some of that back. I still do

946
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: believe we have to be careful about that. But you know,

947
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 3: especially culturally, they went so far left, so extreme, that

948
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 3: doesn't fly in Western Minnesota. You know, again, it's just

949
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: not about farmer and labor anymore. Really, the Republicans would

950
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: become the party of the working class. Right, But it

951
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 3: was never about shellfish book. It was about this is

952
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: what I believe, this is what I feel called to do.

953
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: We putting a pressure on. It's too easy to get comfortable.

954
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. You could take our

955
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: best congress person, our best senator. I think they should

956
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: have a challenge every time keep your shirt right. But

957
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: we'd boil everything down to money in the party, and yeah,

958
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: we need money to win, you know, But I would,

959
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 3: I would. I would argue that authenticity and a message

960
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: is more valuable in the long run and sharpening. We

961
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 3: see what happens in Washington when you get comfortable, right.

962
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: I think your argument is compelling that if you're in

963
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: a R plus twenty district or R plus ten, I mean,

964
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it's convincingly rad Republican.

965
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 2: It gives you an opportunity as the representative to port,

966
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: like you said, push the envelope of the ideas, and

967
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: that's not happening.

968
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 3: Yes. At the time, January sixth was a big issue, right.

969
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: We had people being prosecuted in prison for years. Was

970
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: there anyone in Minnesota on a federal level talking about that?

971
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 2: No, of course, not not a chance. There was nobody

972
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,479
Speaker 2: talking about election integrity either, right, so.

973
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: We did an election integrity the issue of life. I'm

974
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 3: heart extremely pro life. It's a core issue for me. Right,

975
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 3: I'm told by you know, party stalwarts don't talk about that, don't.

976
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: We need to stop talking about life and abortion because

977
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 3: that's why we're losing. That's not why we're losing. It's

978
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 3: because we suck at talking about it that we're losing.

979
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: We're not getting the right message out, We're having we're

980
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: having arguments about how many weeks it's okay to kill

981
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 3: a child. You've already lost at that point, you know.

982
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 3: And again it's education, right, and so so I just

983
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: if we can get number one involvement. That was a

984
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 3: key part of our campaign was involvement, getting new people involved.

985
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: That is, in fact, that is one of the main

986
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 3: criticisms I got during a campaign. Now get this, I

987
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: might have to repeat it for you. One of the

988
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: main criticisms I got was how many new people we

989
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 3: got involved?

990
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: Tanner got to kick out of that one from the

991
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 2: cheap seats.

992
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: Yes, because all these new people you're bringing in next

993
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 3: year when you're not around anymore. If you lose, they're

994
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: not going to be here. So we got all these

995
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: new people, we got entertained and find jobs for. But

996
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: if you go away, they're going to go with you.

997
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: They're not going to stay involved. We've seen it before.

998
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because you push them out.

999
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 3: And so I said, I said, that's up to you. Right,

1000
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: if you inspire them with a reason to stay involved,

1001
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 3: they'll stick around. But if you if you the person

1002
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: that helped them get involved, if you put your foot

1003
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 3: on them, kick them out, and they see a dysfunctional,

1004
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 3: corrupt process, Yeah, you're probably right, they're probably not going

1005
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: to be involved.

1006
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: How about just not having any of its for these people,

1007
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: never inviting them, never reaching out to them. I mean,

1008
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: I see this down here in CD three. Cycle after cycle,

1009
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 2: all these people come in with like the Gensen people

1010
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 2: came in. I pigeonholed a couple of them and got

1011
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: them involved, but there was lots of them. They came

1012
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: in for specific reason. They wanted to get Scott Chanson

1013
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: the endorsement. The party didn't reach out to any of

1014
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 2: those people. They didn't want them I mean they did

1015
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: never called them, they never had events for them. I mean,

1016
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 2: when you go to we have this thing down here

1017
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: in CD three, it's called pines and Politics. Pines and Politics.

1018
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 2: Do you have that up in CD SEF that's their

1019
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: big thing down here, Pines and Politics. You go to

1020
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: the Pines and Policy, it's the same thirty people every time.

1021
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no new people in the average age

1022
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: of these people is four hundred and sixty two year old.

1023
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,720
Speaker 2: So you know, my whole thing is getting in new people,

1024
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 2: and I'm going to bookmark that. We're going to come

1025
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: back to that. So you brought in they criticized you

1026
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 2: brought in all these new people. You were new, you

1027
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: were challenging an incumbent. It wasn't really about her. I

1028
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: get that, which is really new information for me. You'd

1029
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 2: been asked called upon to do something. You weren't focused

1030
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: on her. You were focused on what you were supposed

1031
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: to do. And your comment also that in a very

1032
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly read district, you can press the envelope, and obviously

1033
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 2: that was to me from the outside. It doesn't seem

1034
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 2: like a shelf fushbox is pressing the envelope of Republicanism.

1035
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 2: Just that's just the way I see it. In fact,

1036
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: we don't even hear from her. She seldom makes the newspapers.

1037
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 3: I made Start Tribune a.

1038
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 2: Lot, Yes you did, Yes you did, you.

1039
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: Know, but a little sidetracked here. In many ways, the

1040
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 3: Start Tribune was much fairer to me than many people

1041
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 3: in our own park.

1042
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 2: Or that's saying a lot. Say that one more time

1043
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: so everybody in the cheap seats can hear this one.

1044
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 3: The Star Tribune was much fairer to me than many

1045
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 3: people in our own party.

1046
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 2: What happened in the party. Can we just get a

1047
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: little of the blood out on the tracks?

1048
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're going to get me in trouble, probably this

1049
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 3: will be uh.

1050
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: No, But you know these people are still around waiting

1051
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 2: in the weeds with their knife. Sharpen them up. I

1052
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 2: get the knife in the back all the time, you know.

1053
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like, and I'm just a delic I mean,

1054
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm just a guy. I mean I didn't I haven't

1055
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: stepped forward to run. I haven't felt that poll yet.

1056
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: But I'd like to hear what happened. I mean, did

1057
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: the nitty gritty of it so? And does it tie

1058
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 2: into the outer tail fiasco. Is that really ated to that.

1059
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: That was definitely a part of it. And so that's,

1060
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: you know, the first the first issue is the fact

1061
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 3: that I did. There's a call an endorsement pledge. When

1062
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: you run, they want you to sign a pledge that

1063
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 3: you would honor the endorsement and drop out of the

1064
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: race if you're if your opponent is endorsed, if your

1065
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: opponent is endorsed, don't.

1066
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: Go to a primary. Don't cause a primary, because it's

1067
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: a waste of party resources.

1068
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 3: Got it, yep. And so I refuse to sign that

1069
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: pledge for a couple of reasons. And I voiced these

1070
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: reasons right from the beginning. I was honest about it

1071
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 3: from the beginning. Number One, the endorsement process hasn't been honest.

1072
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: It only affects those that are new to the process. Right,

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00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: So we have too many times where someone wins an

1074
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: endorsement against an incumbent. Almost every time that incumbent still

1075
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 3: runs the primary and get supported by the party in

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00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: different ways.

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 2: Could be a house race, could be a state senate race,

1078
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 2: could be a national race. But it's over and over

1079
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: and over again, over and over again.

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00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: They've proven it that it's the endorsement doesn't really matter.

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00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: Unless we win. Unless we win, endorsements matter for us,

1082
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 2: but not for you.

1083
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 3: So the endorsement process is great when it's done right,

1084
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: but it wasn't being done right. So there was that.

1085
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: There was the Autertail County fiasco that just continually wasn't addressed,

1086
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, and they had issues with delegates up there

1087
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 3: through their CACUS people being added to a list, you know,

1088
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 3: a basic fixing of an endorsement in a state senate race,

1089
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: full disclosure. A good friend of mine, Nathan Miller, is

1090
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 3: one that was affected by that as a state Senate candidate.

1091
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 3: And so that's still I mean CED seven. You know,

1092
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: in the state party, they kept saying, wow, there's nothing

1093
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 3: we can do. You know, this is their own issue.

1094
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 3: They need to take care of it. Well, it just

1095
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: can continue to get kicked down the road and kept

1096
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 3: getting worse and worse because there wasn't a stand on

1097
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: like this was done wrong and this can't happen right.

1098
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: And so that was still in the works. So those

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01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 3: delegates the biggest county in the district. Now I have

1100
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 3: to understand for those that aren't familiar CIT seven, it's

1101
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 3: thirty seven counties. It's the entire western third of Minnesota

1102
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: minus a couple counties at the bottom. It is a

1103
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: massive it's one of the I want to say it's

1104
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 3: the second largest district geographically outside of full state ones.

1105
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 3: I think there's one in Texas that's bigger, and I

1106
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: could be wrong on that, but it's it's one of

1107
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: the biggest districts geographically. But the largest delegation is from

1108
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 3: Ottertek County, thirty seven delegates out of you know, I

1109
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: don't remember the exact number. Four.

1110
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: Hey Tanner, when we put up the description for this podcast,

1111
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 2: could you put the link in to the podcast that

1112
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 2: we did on otter Tail, Yes, because we did an

1113
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,520
Speaker 2: entire podcast and really that was a big controversy where

1114
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 2: people were seated as delegates and then were unseated. Right,

1115
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: And what I think I'm hearing you say is, had

1116
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: the original delegates that won mean their viability, you might

1117
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 2: have been the endorsed candidate at the CD seven convention.

1118
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: And we don't know for sure what how that turns out,

1119
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 3: but the fact is that it's almost ten percent of

1120
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: the entire delegation is from one county. That those seats

1121
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 3: aren't settled in a in a manner that should be

1122
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 3: done correctly. We're going to hinge the endorsement on that.

1123
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 2: Do you feel maybe you can't answer this, do you

1124
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: feel that the problems that the outer Tail delegation suffered

1125
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 2: was specifically designed to maintain Michelle Fischbach as the endorsed candidate.

1126
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: There's factors there. Absolutely, Yeah, they knew that it hinged

1127
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 3: on that be I don't think it started out that way,

1128
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 3: but they saw the they saw.

1129
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 2: The on the wall.

1130
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 3: So the progress we were making, yep, and uh, we

1131
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 3: had a lot of support in Ottatoi County, right, So

1132
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 3: that was that was.

1133
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 2: That was ten percent the overall congressional delegation over the

1134
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 2: most the delegation to the CD seven convention was ten

1135
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 2: percent of the delegates and they were unseated by the

1136
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: Republican Party of Minnesota for reasons that we can cover

1137
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: in that podcast that Tanner is going to put in

1138
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 2: the description. I people want to go back and do

1139
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: the history because if you're in Minnesota, and I'll tell

1140
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 2: you if you're out of state, hey, this is going

1141
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 2: on in your state. So it's really helpful to understand

1142
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: how these people are clinging the power and the lengths

1143
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: they will go to cling to power. And I nobody's

1144
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,439
Speaker 2: ever told me this, but I always suspected that part

1145
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 2: of the motivation front seating those delegates was to pervert

1146
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: the endorsement process in CD seven. And that is a

1147
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: stunning thing to hear.

1148
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 3: And it's and it's what I what I hesitate to do,

1149
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 3: and it's hard not to do when you've been through stuff.

1150
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 3: But I try not to assume intentions, and so I

1151
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: try to go on concrete evidence, facts, hardcore stuff. Do

1152
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 3: I fully know what the intention of all the dysfunction

1153
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 3: on that is?

1154
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,880
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't matter what the intention was. The facts

1155
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: are it mattered, you know, I say this all the

1156
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: time incompetence evil. It doesn't matter to me the results

1157
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: of the same. So it doesn't matter. The outcome was

1158
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: a ten percent of the delegates, a large percentage of

1159
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: which would have supported you were unseated. That's the reality

1160
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 2: of what happened.

1161
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that was a factor.

1162
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: And let me just say, in a red district, whoever

1163
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 2: gets that endorsement is likely to win. If the primary,

1164
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: did Michelle Fishback sign the primary the pledge? The pledge

1165
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 2: not the primary.

1166
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 3: You just signed it initially, yes, huh.

1167
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: Of course there's more to it.

1168
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: But the final factor in the reason I didn't sign

1169
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: it was that are And this is still going to

1170
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 3: be a controversy, but it's it's pretty cut and dry.

1171
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 3: If you ask me the chair of the District seven,

1172
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 3: who the chair would oversee the entire convention the endorsement

1173
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: Craig Bishop, Now I have. I have absolutely nothing against Craig.

1174
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: Craig is a nice guy. We've gotten along. He's been

1175
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 3: you know, he was he was never nasty to me

1176
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 3: and any any any factor. But the bottom line is

1177
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: he worked on the congressional staff of Michelle Fishback.

1178
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have that throughout the state. It's a little strange.

1179
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: It's a little strange. And so you have a an

1180
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 3: employee on the payroll, on the payroll, not of And

1181
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: now they'll say, well, he doesn't he does. That's a lie.

1182
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't work for a campaign, true, doesn't work for.

1183
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: Her camp, works for the congressional.

1184
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: Let's just be honest about it, right, So you have

1185
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 3: an employee of in her congressional office that is overseeing

1186
01:05:56,560 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 3: the endorsement process, and he wouldn't re accuse himself from that, David,

1187
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:05,880
Speaker 3: that's plain. It's not right. And so I'm like, I'm

1188
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 3: not signing into an endorsement process that's run by an

1189
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 3: employee of my opponent.

1190
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, isn't it. We got that

1191
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: down in CD six. Also, we got somebody down there,

1192
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: mister Benson, same thing, working for mister Amber. And then

1193
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 2: you aggregate all these people up into the hierarchy of

1194
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 2: the party. And then I thought the people were supposed

1195
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 2: to run the party. I thought, in my naivete my

1196
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 2: childlike heart, I thought it was a party where the

1197
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: people could come, the citizens could come to practice the

1198
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 2: art of politics. Little did I know, as I was

1199
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 2: told by Alex Plackish, knock on doors and lick stamps

1200
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: and put them on envelopes. We don't care what you

1201
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: think about politics. We don't do that here. That's why

1202
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 2: I call Alex on my podcast, mister we don't do

1203
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: that here, Mister Sutter, I call him mister. We don't

1204
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: need any more Republicans. I got one more of the

1205
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: three stooges, a guy named Larry Frost. He told me

1206
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: history didn't matter. I call him mister history doesn't matter.

1207
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: Like the history of our faith for example. Interesting, that's nice,

1208
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: isn't it. These are the people that run the show. Mister.

1209
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: We don't need any more Republicans. Mister, we don't do

1210
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: politics here. And mister history doesn't matter. And if you're

1211
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 2: in Minnesota and you're a citizen and you're hearing this,

1212
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: the only way this changes is if you feel the

1213
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 2: poll and you get involved. To save your country, you

1214
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 2: got to go to caucus. You got to be active,

1215
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: because if you're not, this is Steve Boyd and David

1216
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 2: Pink cannot change this. We're just here as educators to

1217
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 2: show the way for you to get involved, cause if

1218
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: you don't do it, Hey, I hope you like communism. Yeah,

1219
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: you know generally what they do when communists take over,

1220
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: go look at the history. The first thing they do

1221
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 2: is they round up all the Christians and kill them.

1222
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 2: That's what you know. If you go look at back

1223
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: at the Russia, what happened when the Bolsheviks got into control,

1224
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 2: They just killed all the Christians that they could. Certainly,

1225
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: all the Christian hierarchy, the priests, the ministers dead, all

1226
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 2: of them dead. Right. If you like that kind of thing,

1227
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: just stay home and watch Monday night football. It's great,

1228
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 2: go ahead, I digress.

1229
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, So that's uh, that was the main thing.

1230
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't sign that, so that that caught

1231
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 3: a lot of grief throughout the throughout the party structure

1232
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 3: that I wouldn't sign the endorsement pledge and you know,

1233
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 3: perceived that would go to primary if if I didn't

1234
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 3: get the endorsement. So by that, we didn't get the

1235
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,920
Speaker 3: lists of the delegates. And I knew that, and I

1236
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 3: made that decision, right, that was the thing.

1237
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 2: If you want, well, they wouldn't give you the delegate

1238
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 2: list because you wouldn't sign.

1239
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: The plage, right, And that's the that's the agreement. And

1240
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: you know that was the rule at the time. So

1241
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 3: I accepted that.

1242
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:53,839
Speaker 2: Where did that rule come from from the party itself?

1243
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, the state party party by laws, right, and it

1244
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 3: would be in the district party. I don't think the

1245
01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,880
Speaker 3: congressional district congressional district. And I didn't fight that, you know,

1246
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,519
Speaker 3: it was that's that's and I made it.

1247
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 2: You were honest, And.

1248
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 3: I know this is going to hurt me, but I'm

1249
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 3: standing on principle here that that I'm not going to

1250
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 3: just play the game. You know, And that was the

1251
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 3: thing the whole time. I'm not going to play the game.

1252
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 3: I was told all these times, all these people, this

1253
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 3: is what you have to do. You know. Yeah, it's

1254
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 3: against your principles, but hey, if you want to win,

1255
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 3: this is what you got to do. I don't want

1256
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 3: to win that bed, you know, So so we justized

1257
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 3: that Biblical what profit is a man to gain the

1258
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 3: world and lose his soul? Right, Well, here's the thing, David.

1259
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,719
Speaker 3: If if I made that compromise at the very beginning

1260
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 3: of my campaign and then expect to go to Washington

1261
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 3: and hold my principles, are you kidding me?

1262
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 2: You didn't have any principles, but you made the one.

1263
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 3: You can never make the one.

1264
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:57,799
Speaker 2: It's a slippery slope.

1265
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 3: You can never make the one, no matter how. And

1266
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: that's the way I looked at it. And now it

1267
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 3: would have still been almost impossible to get there and

1268
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 3: not get sucked in somehow. Yeah, that was the thing

1269
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 3: I was most worried about. The main reason I didn't

1270
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 3: want to go because I didn't want to become what

1271
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 3: I was running, you know against in principle. But so

1272
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 3: we just pushed forward. And you know, if you you

1273
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 3: understand the process. Not everyone does understand the process, but

1274
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: you you know, you go. Your first step is to

1275
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 3: try to convince all the I still ran for the endorsement,

1276
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 3: and that was part of the controversy to you, well,

1277
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 3: why if you're not going to sign endorsement pledge or

1278
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,120
Speaker 3: not honor it, why are you running for It's like

1279
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 3: because everyone runs for it, even if you know cons

1280
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: that's the thing.

1281
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: It's just the race.

1282
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I knew that had I signed it and

1283
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Speaker 3: I won the endorsement. Dudes, does anyone actually think that

1284
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,320
Speaker 3: Fishbok was going to drop out and not go to primary.

1285
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 3: Let's be honest with ourselves.

1286
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Speaker 2: She would have right right, We got the same thing.

1287
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: I just set into these governor forums. Field, Parrish and

1288
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 2: Jensen both said that they're not going to sign the pledge,

1289
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: and you know, come on, Senate. I mean, the day

1290
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: after Royce won on the first ballot, the whole hierarchy

1291
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: of the party said no. They're still saying he's no good.

1292
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 2: There's an article in the Tribune today. That's why we're

1293
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: having you're here. It's great to get to know you.

1294
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: I have an agenda. I want to unmask these people

1295
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 2: because they're still here perverting the political process so that

1296
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 2: my children have to go off at fighting endless wars

1297
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: and we go broke. I mean, it's the same people.

1298
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 2: Nothing's changed. It's just a lot of yeah, y'all, we're

1299
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 2: doing great this time. We're going to win this time.

1300
01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:45,599
Speaker 2: Who's gonna win? What are we going to win? That's

1301
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 2: what I'm asking myself. Who are we sending forth.

1302
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: Well and consistently sending out more and more vanilla candidates,

1303
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 3: less and less conservative candidates, more appeal to the middle candidates,

1304
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 3: over and over, trying to win, going away from our

1305
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: principles a little bit more every time, to try to

1306
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 3: go and appeal and win rather than actually just.

1307
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: Oh the principles. Who comes to us? Right? So you you,

1308
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 2: and I'm going to call it a four leg race.

1309
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 2: First leg, get the call, Second, get the endorsement, Third

1310
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 2: get the primary, fourth run of the general. So you

1311
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: got the call. Kind of a miracle story in my opinion.

1312
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,559
Speaker 2: Now you're working towards the endorsement. Can't have the list

1313
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 2: of delegates. So what happened?

1314
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 3: We worked our tails off. We had a we had

1315
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 3: a volunteer force of up to three hundred people at

1316
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,639
Speaker 3: any at at the peak of it, and we had

1317
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 3: a team at every convention, county convention that would allow us.

1318
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 3: Some some we were banned from.

1319
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, wait a second, some of these county conventions, some

1320
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 2: of these local political units had their local convention and

1321
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 2: they didn't you to come and have a table and

1322
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,559
Speaker 2: didn't allow you to speak. Yes, well that's very nice. Yes,

1323
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: that's so republican.

1324
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:09,839
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, you know, because we didn't sign the endorsement pledge.

1325
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,880
Speaker 2: Well, there's always a reason why we get to give

1326
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: up our Republican values.

1327
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 3: So we worked hard. We had we had a team

1328
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,759
Speaker 3: at every single convention to either speak on my behalf

1329
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 3: or I would speak if I could. We did. We

1330
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 3: over one hundred and fifty in person events, whether parade, whatever,

1331
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:34,840
Speaker 3: over the whole time frame of things. But we worked

1332
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 3: our tails off. We cobbled together our own list based

1333
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 3: on meeting people and trying.

1334
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 2: To on who the delegates were, trying to figure who.

1335
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 3: The delegates were, do our best to reach them. I

1336
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 3: would say, we couldn't reach, didn't have an idea who

1337
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,799
Speaker 3: About thirty percent of the delegates were going to the convention.

1338
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 2: That's tough.

1339
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:58,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that severely handicaps you. So final push into the convention,

1340
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 3: the speech, you know, do the whole thing. And as

1341
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 3: you mentioned, we uh, we ended coming out of there

1342
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 3: without an endorsement made. She had a she led, but

1343
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 3: you need sixty percent of the delegates to get the

1344
01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 3: endorsement and neither of us reached that threshold. So we

1345
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 3: went out of the convention with no endorsement and onto primary.

1346
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:29,480
Speaker 2: Do you have any relationship with Michelle Fishbacker at the time, No,

1347
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: no conviviale. Did you debate her?

1348
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 3: No, no debate, no debate.

1349
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,519
Speaker 2: She would debate you. Oh that was nice. Yeah, did

1350
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:39,599
Speaker 2: you ask for a debate?

1351
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 3: We did nothing, would nothing. We didn't press it too

1352
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 3: hard to be to be perfectly honest, we went after

1353
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 3: a few times, but we appeared at the Farmfest forum

1354
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:54,959
Speaker 3: on the same.

1355
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 2: Hey, Noreen, when you're watching this, if you'd like to

1356
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: bring Michelle in here all debate her. Love to don't

1357
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 2: know or it could be a great conversation. Why don't

1358
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 2: you send her on down and Rebut mister Boyd instead

1359
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 2: of leaving this in the void, you know, leaving Boyd

1360
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 2: and the void. No, we want Boyd on the field.

1361
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: I want you on the field. There needs to be debate,

1362
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 2: particularly when we're iron sharpen than iron. We want to

1363
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:25,520
Speaker 2: ask questions. You're reflecting the sentiments of many of the delegates,

1364
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 2: many of the constituents in your district, and none of

1365
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 2: that ever got aired out. Basically, it was you were

1366
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 2: they tried to ignore you, is what I'm getting from that.

1367
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really the That was really the thing

1368
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 3: that just I think, try to pretend it just didn't.

1369
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 3: We weren't there and that was fine. You know, we

1370
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,520
Speaker 3: got a lot of a lot of media coverage considering

1371
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:54,360
Speaker 3: uh worked really hard, got right to the people, and

1372
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 3: got a ton of signs out there. All that type

1373
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 3: of stuff just kind of a combination of your traditional

1374
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 3: you know, door knocking, getting the signs town to town.

1375
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 2: Bark, door knocking in a in a in a district,

1376
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: the size of CDs sethah and I think, wow.

1377
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 3: I think we door knocked. I should should have the

1378
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 3: number in my head. I was over twenty thousand doors.

1379
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 2: How did you feel about that door knocking? Was it?

1380
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,280
Speaker 2: Was it fruitful work? Yeah?

1381
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:26,560
Speaker 3: I mean I think especially when I could do it myself.

1382
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 3: I tried to get out there as much as I

1383
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 3: could myself, and just having those face to face conversations.

1384
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,600
Speaker 3: Number One, people were kind of shocked to have a

1385
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:37,920
Speaker 3: congressional candidate on their doorstep, which it's kind of sad,

1386
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 3: but we would. We kind of did a an approach

1387
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 3: that it didn't yield the results I was really hoping for.

1388
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 3: And maybe that's just because of the climate that we're

1389
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 3: in and how far we've gotten from involvement. But we

1390
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 3: would go door knock at town and then have an

1391
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 3: event in that town a few days later, so we'd

1392
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 3: be not only door knocking but also inviting them, you know.

1393
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,840
Speaker 2: So that was knock knock, knock, I want to invite

1394
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 2: you to the event. That's very smart. That's a great

1395
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 2: tactic if you're listening and you're running or you're building

1396
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: your own constituency, Knock knock knock, I'm here to invite you.

1397
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:17,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to use that in W three PB.

1398
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 3: And it's it's really challenging in a district the size

1399
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: of CD seven.

1400
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: It's not in W Hey let me tell you now,

1401
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 2: mister Boyd was running for a national office. What you

1402
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: want to run for is to get elected in your precinct,

1403
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,719
Speaker 2: your neighbor, who you need to appeal to is walking

1404
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 2: distance from your front door. Please understand what mister Boyd,

1405
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 2: what Steve just said. He said, go knock on your

1406
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 2: neighbor's door and say, you know, I want to bring

1407
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:46,959
Speaker 2: you to Caucus, and could we go out for coffee

1408
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: and invite people out. I mean, that's a that's a

1409
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 2: good tactic.

1410
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 3: Well, and sometimes you know, we had two hundred people

1411
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 3: and sometimes we had three. And frankly, it was find

1412
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 3: either way to me because I always felt like whoever

1413
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:02,479
Speaker 3: was supposed to be there was there.

1414
01:18:03,120 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: You're a better man than me, Gunga. Do you know

1415
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:08,919
Speaker 2: I look at our numbers and when we're doing local politics,

1416
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: the numbers go down, which you know, I hope you're

1417
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: hanging in here, audience, because nothing is more important than

1418
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 2: electing you know, authentic Republicans to office. And we're telling

1419
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:23,639
Speaker 2: a story here now about what happens. So you're out there,

1420
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,720
Speaker 2: you're burning the shoe leather, you're holding the events. One

1421
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty events, knocked.

1422
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 3: On twenty thousand dollars on our vehicle.

1423
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,799
Speaker 2: Fifty thousand miles. If you need tires, if you're driving

1424
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,839
Speaker 2: fifty thousand miles a year, you can go to Target

1425
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: dot Com. See now, I'm trying to get better at

1426
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 2: this because this is how we pay for this stuff,

1427
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: and we're not paying for it yet. Target dot Com.

1428
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: Everything you need in tires. Here's a candidate drove fifty

1429
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 2: thousand miles. If he needs tires, Steve, you go to Target.

1430
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 2: You can find me best price, will put them on

1431
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: right by your house. The price is right, the service

1432
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 2: is great, one hundred percent guarantee, and you get to

1433
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 2: support the movement. That's why we're doing this here, and

1434
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 2: that's why we're asking you to buy your tires at

1435
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 2: tire Get. Okay, back to the hunt plug. Thank you.

1436
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 2: Thank fifty thousand miles of driving. That's a set of tires. Yeah,

1437
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 2: you bought a set of tires, didn't you not?

1438
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: We did not for me? No, I did.

1439
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: Next next time, next time, call me please. Okay. So

1440
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: we're closing on the U yeah primary.

1441
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 3: And frankly, I think we owe a lot of the

1442
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 3: success we had to the people. We had so many

1443
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 3: people involved that spent you know, like our core team.

1444
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 3: I didn't have a political team. We had we had

1445
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 3: a lot of people that believed in something. I had

1446
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 3: one I had a consultant, that I had met through

1447
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 3: Patriot Academy. He helped with some of the ins and

1448
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 3: outs of the political system. I had a young man

1449
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,879
Speaker 3: who was the governor of the Patriot Academy Leadership Congress,

1450
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,799
Speaker 3: came up from Texas and lived here for the summer

1451
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 3: really to help with the door knocking and organizing the volunteers.

1452
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 3: And he he made a whole lot less money than

1453
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 3: he could have stayed home, and he was engaged in

1454
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,320
Speaker 3: getting married that August. In fact, I think he got

1455
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:05,120
Speaker 3: married three days after the primary. I mean, and that's

1456
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 3: the type of sacrifice we saw because they belied in something.

1457
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 3: You know, he didn't have to come up here and

1458
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 3: work for pennies on the hour comparatively, but he understood

1459
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 3: the constitution, he understood what needed to be done, and

1460
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 3: weo a ton to him. He came up. We had

1461
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 3: a local team of people that and then throughout the

1462
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 3: district we kind of organized by area and we went

1463
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 3: to each county, you know, BPOU meeting that would let

1464
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 3: us talk to the talk to the people there. And

1465
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 3: I will say most counties were gracious. Whether they agreed

1466
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,760
Speaker 3: with it or not, most of them understood that it's

1467
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:43,440
Speaker 3: an open, open competition and we're glad to have options.

1468
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 3: Wasn't the case everywhere. So we just leaned in where

1469
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 3: we where we could and then get to the convention

1470
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 3: and yeah, come out without the endorsement and run the primary.

1471
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 3: So it was just it was a just work your

1472
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 3: tail off. I don't know how many parades, I mean

1473
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 3: some socause we did five parades in a day.

1474
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 2: I'll wanted to take you to recover from this venture

1475
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:06,640
Speaker 2: into the extreme.

1476
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 3: I'll let you know.

1477
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: That good, let me know that's great, because you.

1478
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 3: Know, I mean honestly, yeah, I mean there's there's definitely

1479
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: a lag where I just didn't want to do anything

1480
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,519
Speaker 3: and you know, remotely political for for quite a while.

1481
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 3: And I still I still struggle, I'm gonna be honestly,

1482
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 3: I still struggle to be involved in party.

1483
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 2: Stuff, just because of the way you were treated, more.

1484
01:21:34,040 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 3: Or partly maybe you know, the futility it seems at

1485
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 3: times of.

1486
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 2: I have the same thing I did. I mean, I

1487
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: just ran for a party office and I got that

1488
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 2: feeling like this is just futile dealing with these people.

1489
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: And I have a party office and well maybe not

1490
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 3: after today, but.

1491
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 2: No, that's but tell Brett Tell Brett to come down,

1492
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:58,799
Speaker 2: let him take the heat. Yeah, you know, but Brett,

1493
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:02,520
Speaker 2: Brett Busman, your wife, this, come into the Professor Pen podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're friends. You're more than welcome here. You know, we

1495
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 2: want all the people to come here. And because really

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Speaker 2: what I am seeking, just so you know, I am

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Speaker 2: seeking unity. I'm seeking unity with all these people. And

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you why. You've got to be a really

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01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 2: pernicious actor to not unify with the base of the party.

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Speaker 2: When you see that in Minneapolis we're going to have

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01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 2: a socialist mayor here very shortly, very likely that the

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01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,919
Speaker 2: Democrat Party, as you were saying, it's not the Democrat

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01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:38,879
Speaker 2: party of our fathers and our mothers. It's quickly becoming

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01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: a socialist party. It's catering to the young people where

1505
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: our party is not. That's why it's so great to

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: hear you were working with young people, because you see

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01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 2: what the age of the Republican Party is when you're

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01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 2: out doing these events. I mean, it's just awful. But

1509
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 2: you go to a if you go into this Democrat

1510
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: socialist camp, it's young people, people Tanner's age, because they

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01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: don't get anything out of free market capitalism. Because we

1512
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 2: don't have free market capitalism.

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Speaker 3: Right, but that has changed, especially young men. We have

1514
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 3: a huge opportunity to capitalize on if we're gonna do it,

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Speaker 3: if we're gonna actually get serious about it. Young men

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01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 3: are the most conservative they've been in decades, you know,

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01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: but we're not giving them anything to join.

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01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you we had we had the Mark

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01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 2: Mitchell on from Rasmussen, and he tried as much as

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01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 2: he could to dispel that as not accurate, that his

1521
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 2: polling tells him that young people are overwhelmingly atheist, overwhelmingly socialist.

1522
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 2: And we've got this example from Turning Point, which was

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01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: like gathering in everybody that was gatherable, so to speak.

1524
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:54,680
Speaker 2: But he actually said something that was rather terrifying that

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01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,800
Speaker 2: in that young age. Cohort I think it was what

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01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 2: nineteen to twenty ninety said eighteen to twenty nine, there's

1527
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:09,799
Speaker 2: more people that self identify as LGP, LGBTQ plus than Catholic.

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01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,960
Speaker 2: So we do have a foothold in there. But then

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01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 2: when we have young candidates, and I would have to say,

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01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 2: you still qualify because you're only a young rolled by comparison,

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01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: you're still a young candidate. You didn't get any support.

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 2: Le Royce white, half black, half Mexican and thirty four

1533
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: years old. Now he's not the right guy. Come on,

1534
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: who are these young people going to relate to? You know?

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01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: And I think it's critical that we break back as

1536
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 2: a party tactically and organize to work with these young people.

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01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,839
Speaker 2: We just don't do it. I mean, the party itself

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01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 2: has no initiative that I can see to get out

1539
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 2: and work with the inner city, the urban where we

1540
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 2: lose the elections stay wide is in the cities. Nothing

1541
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 2: going on there, nothing going on with the young people.

1542
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 2: And then a cohort and I have to ask you

1543
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 2: a question because maybe you got your finger on this pulse.

1544
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 2: There's this sentiment rolling around that lots of Christians don't vote.

1545
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 2: Do you believe that that's true?

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01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah? Wow, yeah, absolutely. We have two factors there. You

1547
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 3: have the lie of what separation of church and state means.

1548
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of Christians that believe that we

1549
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:44,519
Speaker 3: shouldn't be involved in politics, enforced by a lot of pastors. Thankfully,

1550
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 3: we have a lot of really good, vocal pastors that

1551
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 3: are dispelling that now. But so you have that, and

1552
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 3: then you have I mean, what is there currently if

1553
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:58,799
Speaker 3: you just if you look at Minnesota as an example,

1554
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 3: what is there when they're telling you, don't talk about life,

1555
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 3: don't talk.

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01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 2: About this is the party.

1557
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 3: This is the party. We're talking about things like that,

1558
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 3: What is there for them to jump on board with.

1559
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 2: I tried to explain that the Stan Hamilton and Rod

1560
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: current right down here in CD three were this idea

1561
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 2: is being promoted right in my district. And I said, Rod,

1562
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: great idea, you can go cater to CD three. You're

1563
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 2: going to strip out of the party. For every one

1564
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 2: new person you get, ten are going to turn their

1565
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 2: back on you. Because there's a lot of people that

1566
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 2: view Republicanism as faith kind of together. Rod, do you

1567
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: get it? Of course they don't get it. You know

1568
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 2: why they don't want to get it because they're progressives.

1569
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 3: Well what I got called a Christian nationalist during my

1570
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 3: entire campaign because I made faith forefront, because I said, look, guys,

1571
01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,960
Speaker 3: you need to understand I'm not talking about making law,

1572
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 3: about making you believe or or worship the same way

1573
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 3: I do. I'm talking about if I'm going to represent you,

1574
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 3: you should know who I am. And this is what

1575
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 3: guides me. This is the foundation I draw from, and

1576
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 3: so I'm going to tell you who I am. And

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, I think one of my favorite moments of

1578
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 3: the campaign was the headline from the Star Tribune. Now

1579
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 3: this this piece was supposed to be kind of a

1580
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,759
Speaker 3: hit piece, I think, but the headline was Steve Boyd

1581
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 3: wants to make America Christian again.

1582
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 2: I remember that, and I'm like, yeah, they get it.

1583
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 3: They finally get.

1584
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 4: It, not by force, but by example, by you know,

1585
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 4: and taking our We have this mindset in the church

1586
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:47,759
Speaker 4: many times, I think now it's Christians that we're supposed

1587
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 4: to make Lord God.

1588
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 3: Lord of our life in all these areas except for politics.

1589
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 3: That's supposed to be separate. That's separation of church. And

1590
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:00,640
Speaker 3: it's like, no, we're supposed to take our values, our worldview,

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01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 3: which is a biblical worldview hopefully, and apply it to

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01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 3: all areas of our life. That's would be what's guiding us.

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01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 3: They don't understand worldview, or we don't want to talk

1594
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 3: about it. That might be what's guiding us. But we

1595
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 3: certainly don't want to talk about it because then that

1596
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 3: would be a violation of church and state, right, And

1597
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know, the history of separation

1598
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 3: of Church and state. Where that came from. Most people

1599
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 3: think it's in the constitution. That's how sad that is.

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01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I think a lot of Christians are

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01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:30,599
Speaker 3: not voting.

1602
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we have these cohorts. We have young

1603
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 2: people not being systematically educated by the party because the

1604
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: party's just here to win, not to educate. We got

1605
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: the urban centers which are complete. There's nothing going on

1606
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 2: in the court urban areas. And I'm out here in

1607
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: CD three and they're beating their chest like something's going on,

1608
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 2: but really nothing's really going on in fact, In fact,

1609
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 2: we've got three elected officials three there's twelve Senate districts.

1610
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 2: We have three House members, that's it. In CD three.

1611
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 2: Two of them are getting ready to trade my gun

1612
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 2: rights away. You know, Andrew Myers, Andrew, I hope you're listening.

1613
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 2: Saying that you're going to use artificial intelligence to determine

1614
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 2: who can and cannot open own a gun. You couldn't

1615
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 2: get any more world economic forum than that. You couldn't

1616
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: get farther away from the Republican Party than saying you're

1617
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 2: going to use artificial intelligence to determine freedom. You're not

1618
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 2: a Republican fly right. Andrew, you have a chance to change.

1619
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,520
Speaker 2: See this is what I think. I think these professionals

1620
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:46,840
Speaker 2: will fly right if we make them. If they're more

1621
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 2: afraid of the leftists in their district than they are

1622
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 2: their base, they're going to go cater to the people

1623
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,680
Speaker 2: that they think it's elected them. You know. And we

1624
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,679
Speaker 2: got these people in the you know, they they don't

1625
01:29:57,720 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 2: stand to the principle. They move to someone else's principle.

1626
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 2: That's what we're talking about here. You're saying, I'm.

1627
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 3: Switch out everyone. You just have to turn the pressure different.

1628
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,720
Speaker 2: I want the constituents of Andrew Meyer and Daniel to

1629
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,840
Speaker 2: go to stand up and say we don't we understand

1630
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 2: that guns can be misused. We understand it. It's a

1631
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,840
Speaker 2: mental health problem. Why did the constitution I'm going to

1632
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 2: ask you, mister boy, Steve, why do we have gun

1633
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 2: rights in our constitution?

1634
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 3: In your opinion, it was instituted for protection from a

1635
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 3: tyrannical government.

1636
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 2: And you people are trying to disarm me. Okay, try

1637
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 2: it and find out what happens to your career. It

1638
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 2: wasn't for hunting, no, it was That's exactly correct. And

1639
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 2: these people are perverting this and if I ever have

1640
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: felt more strongly about this issue under the circumstance of

1641
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,120
Speaker 2: we're going to use artificial intelligence.

1642
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,360
Speaker 3: The beast where the beast come from the.

1643
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 2: Beast to determine who can and can't, and you're going

1644
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 2: to make me defense and then I'm going to play

1645
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 2: on my podcast Thursday, President Biden said, oh, you know,

1646
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 2: you know, if you guys are talking about AR fifteen's, hey,

1647
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: if you really want to defend yourself against the government,

1648
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 2: you need an F fifteen. That's from a president saying

1649
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:28,560
Speaker 2: they're going to deploy the military hardware against the citizens.

1650
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 2: So really give up your guns, surrender. You're you're outmatched.

1651
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:38,760
Speaker 2: That's not the point. The point is philosophically, ideationally, spiritually,

1652
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 2: we're sovereign. That's the point. We're Republicans. So Andrew, Andrew,

1653
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 2: you're a Democrat or fly right, and you'll have my support.

1654
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 2: It's very simple. See, this is where we got to

1655
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 2: get to with these people that are professionals, because they

1656
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 2: are interested in winning, they're not going to hold to

1657
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 2: a principle and then lose with dignity. They're going to

1658
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 2: chase foreign gods. And this I cannot abide because my

1659
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:15,160
Speaker 2: ass is on the line, and I know what happens

1660
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 2: when communists take over. They kill people like me. Why

1661
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,080
Speaker 2: do I know that Because I got a whole family

1662
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 2: full of people that are buried in the Ukraine that

1663
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:28,800
Speaker 2: were killed when communists took over, and I know their

1664
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 2: stories and I know how they died, and I know

1665
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 2: who killed them. So, if you're wondering where I found it,

1666
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 2: and where did I hear it and where did I

1667
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: read it? My grandfather told me. Now, I guess you

1668
01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,840
Speaker 2: could say my grandfather lied to me, lied to me,

1669
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,599
Speaker 2: told me a story to manipulate me. I was about

1670
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 2: five years old, six years old, said why would why

1671
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 2: would my own grandfather lie to me about how his

1672
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters died and why they died. I don't

1673
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 2: think so. I think that's oral tradition. So I have

1674
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 2: it seared into my soul. What happens when godless ideologies,

1675
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 2: when materialist ideologies, when Darwinist ideologies prevail and crowd out

1676
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 2: the philosophy of republicanism?

1677
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 3: Well, and how do you think our founders came up

1678
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:22,479
Speaker 3: with what they did because they had witnessed what happens

1679
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 3: when you don't have these protections, right.

1680
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 2: And they just try to protect us. Sheep dog, where's

1681
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:30,320
Speaker 2: the sheep dogs? Well, you're a sheep dog. So I

1682
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 2: got a question for you. Then the podcast, What do

1683
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 2: I have to do to encourage you?

1684
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 3: I think I know where this is going to get

1685
01:33:42,680 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 3: you back.

1686
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 2: In the game, because you're building a brand, and obviously,

1687
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you got I mean, think about

1688
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,759
Speaker 2: what Steve said. He's got two kids, three adopted five kids,

1689
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 2: a wife, a family. That's a full time job right there.

1690
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 2: He's operating his business life. He's got a faith life.

1691
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 2: He's on CD seven, he's practicing Republicanism, he's civically involved,

1692
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,439
Speaker 2: he's already giving all akin. But you got a brand

1693
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 2: up there, brother, you got a brand. We're short. We're

1694
01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: short good people. In fact, I know who a lot

1695
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 2: of them are. There aren't that many. They're just I'm sorry.

1696
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:23,879
Speaker 2: If you're listening to me and you're in the Congression

1697
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 2: and you're in the legislative delegation, and you think I'm

1698
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 2: speaking against you, I am speaking against you. But here's

1699
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 2: what I believe. If your constituents would get involved, you'll

1700
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 2: fly right and I'll love you because you know you're

1701
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 2: a professional. It's your career. It's not my career. It's

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01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 2: not Steve's career. It's not Royce White's career, it's not

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01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 2: Mike Wiener's career. We're doing this because we felt the poll,

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01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 2: the call to save the country at this very critical moment.

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01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 2: We would like you to also feel the poll. It

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01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:00,400
Speaker 2: might start by going to church, might find it there. Start.

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01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:01,799
Speaker 2: It's a good start, right.

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01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 3: Look, we find one that's preaching truth.

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01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 2: That got start somewhere right. Anyhow, Steve, it's great to

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01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,519
Speaker 2: have you in. This is the first time you and

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01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 2: I have had a chance to talk. What just about

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01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 2: the way I thought it would go, except that we

1713
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 2: had so many spiritual awakenings in common without any We

1714
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 2: didn't take a class together. It just happened. Why is that.

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01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 3: I believe it's because we're looking at it from a

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01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:34,600
Speaker 3: principal base rather than a strategy base. So when you

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01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 3: start with a principal, you're going to get joined on that.

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01:35:37,400 --> 01:35:40,519
Speaker 2: You're going to be pulled forward into something you didn't

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01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 2: really know what got into.

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01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 3: And then to answer your question, how do I get

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01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:48,920
Speaker 3: you to It's not up to you or me, and

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01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 3: my would be my answer to.

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01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:56,879
Speaker 2: That I'm going to sit here patiently, then Tanner, Uh,

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01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 2: do you have social media? Steve? Are you on social media?

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01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 3: I am not as active as I probably should be.

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01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,479
Speaker 2: Would you like to share any of your coordinates with

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01:36:05,560 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 2: the audience?

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01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:09,920
Speaker 3: They can certainly on Facebook, they just look up my

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01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 3: name Steve Boyd. Somewhat on Instagram as well, but I

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01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 3: haven't used it as much as I probably should.

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01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 2: So well, I'm ferocious on acts as much as I

1732
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,839
Speaker 2: can at prof pen podcast. And one of the tactics

1733
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 2: that we're doing is we're putting together a digital army

1734
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,880
Speaker 2: on acts. It's much bigger than it was a year ago.

1735
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: It needs to be hundreds of thousands of people coordinated

1736
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: and reposting and supporting each other. There's also and I

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01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,280
Speaker 2: sent you a link to this, there's a new group

1738
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 2: on Thursday nights at seven thirty pm in Minnesota called

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01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 2: Minnesota Speaks. It's a great place for Minnesota citizens or

1740
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 2: if you're a mold state, just to see what's going on.

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01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 2: You know, it's a place people come to talk. When

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01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 2: I go in there, I get very controlling about strategy

1743
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 2: and tactics. It's good to talk about issues, but we

1744
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 2: know what the issues are what are we Yeah, what

1745
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 2: are we going to do about it?

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01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 3: There?

1747
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:10,679
Speaker 2: See there's the warrior. Yeah. So Minnesota Speaks is out there.

1748
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 2: Those of you who are into the precting strategy can

1749
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 2: find Dan Schultz on on Acts. He's running spaces on

1750
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:22,160
Speaker 2: Tuesdays and Friday nights. Sometimes hundreds of people show up.

1751
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, no issues, only strategy and tactics about

1752
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 2: getting involved in politics. Thank you to Dan for doing that.

1753
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,800
Speaker 2: Free People Radio needs your help. Go to the store,

1754
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:37,439
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01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:39,160
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01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 2: political operation. And you understand what that is. Ye. So

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01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 2: I want to thank you for coming in. Thank You're

1758
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 2: always welcome to come back when you're down here in

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01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 2: the cities. Great to see it, Tanner, Thank you very much, sir.

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01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,839
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