1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,479 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: me Ben, and we're joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: of the week, which means it is time for our 11 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: strange news segment. They're shady stuff going on in the 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: world of fast food. There are mysteries in the hiking 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: trails of the West Coast. And if you are one 14 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: of the many, many people who started make being your 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: own business online during the pandemic a specific type of business, 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: then you may be running into trouble sooner rather than later. 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: It's true. Uh and and yeah we can we can 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: certainly lead with that one um. You might have heard 19 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: of of a site called only Fans, and I think 20 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: if you've heard of it, you probably have associations that 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: you make with that site. The idea is that it 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: is a paywalled um you know, creator driven platform where 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: folks who create stuff can reach their fans directly. Uh, 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: kind of like Patreon, except the content it's all bonus 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: that it's I mean, like in the way the Patreon. 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: You have a product like a podcast or some sort 27 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: of startup or whatever, some sort of project that exists 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: out in the world, and then Patreon uh pays you, 29 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: you know for this product that you do that isn't 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: hosted on Patreon necessarily. But then usually there are tears 31 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: of um extras that you can get to, you know, 32 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: certain levels of contribution as fans well only fans is 33 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: specific like paywalled content made by individuals and sold directly 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: to users. And that association that I'm talking about is 35 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: is pretty much porn um only fans, you know, theoretically 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: could have all kinds of content creators on it, and 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: there apparently is a small community of content creators that 38 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 1: are chefs and yoga instructors and you know, things like that. 39 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: But by and large they have made their money, and 40 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: it's quite a quite a lot of money, in fact, 41 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: billions of dollars off of the backs of sex workers. 42 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: And these include folks that are may be already known 43 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: in UM. In the world of adults, content like porn, 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: porn stars that you know do more, let's say, candid 45 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: videos that are then sold directly to individual users who 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: can subscribe to that person, that creator, that performer. UM 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: and there are ways of you know, doing private chats 48 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and you know, situations that lead you to be able 49 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: to tip uh in all of that stuff. So on 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: the positive side, and what a big argument for the 51 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: positive impact of only fans is that it allows sex 52 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: workers or individuals that are comfortable with this kind of 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: work to make money directly from people that want to 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: pay them money. And obviously there's no actual sex involved, 55 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: it's just you know, videos and chats and things like that. 56 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: UM And you know, you could argue this is very 57 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: empowering for individuals, especially in a world where sex workers 58 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: are often highly stigmatized. UM. I was watching a video 59 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: on the YouTube channel I always shout out here Internet Today, 60 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: and they pointed to a scene in the movie Boogie Nights. 61 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: I completely agree with This is a really good example 62 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: where um Don Schiele's character has decided to get out 63 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: of the porn industry. He has made a good bit 64 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: of money and he decided to get out and he 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: wants to open a stereo shop. So he goes to 66 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: a bank yes for a loan, and the banker, basically 67 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: when he finds out what he's done to earn his money, 68 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: um says, no, we don't associate with your type of 69 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: people from your industry. Let's no matter what degree it 70 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: does or does not affect the situation at hand. Like 71 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: the numerous stories of people who are nurses, people who 72 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: are teachers, people who are working in office jobs who 73 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: get blacklisted or get effectively canceled in their field of 74 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: employment simply because of an only fans account, And that's 75 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: just an acceleration or a new iteration of the old story, 76 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: like somebody finding nude photographs from years ago. I think 77 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: we should be very clear at this point like sex 78 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: work is work, and regardless of somebody's you know, personal 79 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: morality about it, it's very it's very unhelpful, I think 80 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: to stigmatize people. I mean, don't we always don't. People 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: always make a big deal of platitudes like hey, you 82 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: are not your job, don't let your job define you. 83 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't think that should be any different, right, and 84 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: unless it offends me on some sort of like spiritual level, 85 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: unless it helps me get better about myself without doing 86 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: better as a person's Yes, you're bad and you should 87 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: feel bad. You're bad and you should feel bad. But 88 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, the Only fans also like it. You you 89 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: can't even see the content really unless you're a subscriber, 90 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: so it also it's probably a positive thing for you know, 91 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: limiting the exposure. You can't really you can screenshot at 92 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: I guess, but it feels like it's a community where 93 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: people are more or less respectful of the folks they 94 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: follow and don't go passing it around. So in theory, 95 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: if you had an account, you know, you might still 96 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: be able to have a life as a regular person 97 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: and not be not have that follow you into the workplace. 98 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: And uh, you know. Understandably, during COVID they saw their 99 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: profits rise significantly. I believe they made two billion dollars 100 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: last year. It is assumed that we will see that 101 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: pretty much double. But in a pretty shocking turn of events, 102 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: um the leadership Only Fans have decided to essentially ban 103 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: the very content that they are known for and the 104 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: very content that has made them all of this money 105 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: over these years, especially during COVID when folks literally were 106 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: out of work and they needed some folks decided to 107 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: turn to this as a revenue stream. And you know, 108 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: there are a handful of creators on only fans that 109 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: pull in like up to a million dollars a year. 110 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 1: Obviously that's at the very very top end of things, 111 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: but you know, you have folks making fifty dollars a year, 112 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: like the kind of money that would amount to like 113 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: a good salary. So understandably, the folks that are, you know, 114 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: relying on the ability to to get paid for this 115 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: content are kind of freaking out. And it does feel 116 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: like a form of cancelation or further stigmatization of sex 117 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: workers by a company that absolutely profited off of their 118 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: their backs, their literal backs. But it's it's not really 119 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: only fans, or at least their reasoning, right. If you 120 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: see the statement, that's right, that's right, Their statement is 121 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: they they kind of bury the lead. Um, we'll get 122 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: to what the real lead is. But they essentially are saying, uh, 123 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: they he'll just read the statement. We can we can 124 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: dissect it together. Um, it says this in order to 125 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: quote in order to ensure the long term sustainability of 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: our platform and to continue to host an inclusive community 127 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: of creators and fans, we must evolve our content guidelines. 128 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: These changes are to comply with the requests of our 129 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: banking partners and payout providers. Okay, so you could have 130 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: ended it with content guidelines, but then that's the real 131 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: kicker there. These changes are to comply with the requests 132 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: of our banking partners and payout providers. So hence there 133 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: in lies the book unites comparison. UM turns out banks 134 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: and lenders and even payment providers are still kind of 135 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: squeamish about being associated with this kind of stuff, and 136 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: then there are reasons for that, um, you know, understandable reasons. 137 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: There's a really interesting investigative piece that the BBC did 138 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: about underage people, uh using only fans to create content 139 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: and make money. Uh. It's called The Children Selling Explicit 140 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: Videos on Only Fans and it was from May seven 141 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: of this year, and it's by Noel Man after my 142 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: own heart titherer raj and Rihanna Croxford, and it is 143 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: a really really well researched and investigated peace. They went 144 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: in UM and through various means, UM kind of exposed 145 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: some of the let's say, limitations of the age verification 146 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: methods that are in place and and these are some 147 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: of the most serious cases they found UM. One of 148 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: which is schools have shared anonymous reports of pupils using 149 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: the site, including a sixteen year old who boasted to 150 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: her careers advisor about the amount of money she made 151 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: on the site and showed off her quote exuberant spending 152 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram. UM so essentially posted videos underage, bragged about 153 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: it at school to her guidance counselor, and then posted 154 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: flex type things on Instagram of like all the you know, 155 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: fancy swag she was buying with all this money. Um. 156 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: Another one is underage creators and users of the site 157 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: include victims of prior sexual abuse and those with mental 158 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: health issues and suicidal thoughts, according to Childline Counselor Notes, 159 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: which as a UK organization. By the way, only fans 160 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: of the UK based site. I only just recently found 161 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: that out UH. UK police forces say children have complained 162 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: about their images being uploaded to the site without consent, 163 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: and one seventeen year old reported being blackmailed. UH and 164 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: then you've got missing children are appearing in only fans videos. 165 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: According to a US watchdog, which also says it has 166 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: received reports of child sexual exploitation. UM, so those are 167 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: obviously very very serious violations of the terms of use 168 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: of the site and folks being able to kind of 169 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: bypass these age verifications things. The Only Fans leadership says 170 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: all of these were targeted and all of these were deleted, 171 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: and that they have since UM included a much more robust, uh, 172 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: let's say, age verification technique, because some folks were using 173 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: fake ideas or even like a grandmother's passport was used 174 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 1: in one situation. So I'm just trying to show both 175 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: sides of the issue, so understandable. Grandma's passport, the old 176 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,719 Speaker 1: grandma's passport grifts classic, classic grift. I'm just trying to 177 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: show both sides because I think obviously there is a positive, 178 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: you know, for of age consenting adults trying to make 179 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: money off of this type of sex work, and then, 180 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: like you have with any sex work scenario, there are 181 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: going to be abuses of it. I would argue that 182 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: by and large these are like the exception to the rule, 183 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: but I'm not I didn't do this investigative piece, but 184 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: based on what I've read, it does seem like it 185 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: was maybe around seventeen cases and that they did, you 186 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: know up there their security precautions. But it's kind of 187 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: a moot point now because you know they're shutting it down. Um. 188 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: So I don't know that's the gist of the story. 189 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: But I think and even bigger part of the story 190 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: is how much control companies like PayPal and am X 191 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and um, you know, Visa have over literally what we 192 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: can buy. They don't have to, you know, appeal a 193 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: decision that they make to cut somebody off from from 194 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: being a vendor of theirs. Um, they don't have to 195 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 1: do anything. They don't have to make a case to 196 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: any court. They can just say we don't like what 197 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: you're doing. We think it's in poor taste. We as 198 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: a brand don't want to be associated with you. Uh, 199 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: therefore you're now cut off. So you know, you could 200 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: argue that it's the big three here, but which I 201 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: think an online payment it would be Visa, MasterCard and PayPal. 202 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: Is that too much power? Is that essentially a monopoly 203 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: or an olagopoly of some kinds? Um? And and they 204 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: wield way more control. Because I watched a really great 205 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: video on a UK YouTube channel called t l d 206 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: R News I think is what it's called. It's not 207 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: associated with any of the big UK broad casters. It's independent. 208 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: But they mentioned that the only solution to this is 209 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: to start accepting cryptocurrency, and as we know, cryptocurrency has 210 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: its own issues in terms of regulation and regulation to come, 211 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: so you know, it would certainly put a wrench in 212 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: things to a degree, but they would still be able 213 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: to operate under the same model that's making them billions 214 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: of dollars instead of literally kind of pivoting to something 215 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: that is probably going to cause them to fall flat 216 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: on their faces. And if you ask me, um or 217 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: there was another thing that like I think UK governments 218 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: were talking about doing in general, which is like a 219 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: state sponsored type of peer to peer payment service that's 220 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: like a digital wallet. I forget that the acronym it 221 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: was like pd PP or something like that. Um But 222 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: in that case they make the point on this t 223 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: LDR video all these acronyms. Uh, the power is no 224 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: longer with these private companies, but it's with the state. 225 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: So isn't that even worse at scarier? Yeah? The so 226 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: I think there are two questions ass So the first 227 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: is what's the way around those those large, uh somewhat 228 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: monopolistic payment platforms. Unfortunately, there are other, you know, courses 229 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: in the race, but they are very distant, they're much smaller, 230 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: they're not near as ubiquitous, And these platforms, the majority 231 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: of their value is based on how ubiquitous and easy 232 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: to use they are. Right, So, like you could look 233 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: at another country or non western country that may have 234 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: their own payment platform, but with that might come a 235 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: little bit too much government control or overreach, you know, 236 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: if you're looking at an authoritarian country that monitors transactions. 237 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 1: So I'm sure a lot of people in the UK 238 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: would be worried about that. But the the second, I 239 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: guess to answer your second question, at least on my 240 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: end um, and I'm not an expert here. Governments in 241 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: general seem to have a really tough time staying up 242 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: to date with current technology, so much so that one 243 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: of the most successful security strategies of governments is to 244 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: purposely use anachronistic technology. So like, you can't you know, 245 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: bust the water treatment system because it's too old to 246 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: be online and it uses some like very vague old 247 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: testament deuteronomy level version of an OS or what they 248 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: used to do with like nuclear power facilities and things 249 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: like that. You don't want them to be directly connected 250 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: to the wider internet, would yes, air gap exactly? To me, 251 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: the the issue of can one trust a government not 252 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: to abuse it's monitoring power in that regard, to me, 253 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: that secondary to the immediate practical issue, which is could 254 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: a government actually do it? Like could they make something 255 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: that people would want to use? That would be my question. 256 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: I I don't know, Yeah, Matt, what do you think? 257 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely seems like a question that's just 258 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: going to keep having to be asked, you know, moving forward, 259 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Like in lots of other aspects of our lives, it 260 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: is a pretty small handful of companies that hold the 261 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: keys to the kingdom. Yeah, um, And I don't know 262 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: how anyone, even the most powerful military could pride those 263 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: keys from their hands, because they can just hire another 264 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,119 Speaker 1: army to stand in front of whatever building holds the power. Uh. 265 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: But you know, for for me, guys, I'm thinking more 266 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: on the individual level of this story. There's a CNN 267 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: business article that you linked to knowl and in it 268 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: there's a person who goes by Maya on only Fans, 269 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: and she has a really interesting account here discussing how 270 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: over the past really four or five years, all of 271 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: these different companies places online like Craigslist, I think porn Hub, 272 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: several of the outlets were an individual who was trying 273 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: to make a living via this kind of work would 274 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: be able to post things and then make money, right 275 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: the outlets, We're an individual person could make money or disappearing, 276 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: and only Fans is just the next one of those. 277 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: And she's saying, you know, the reason why she isn't 278 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: out doing quote full service sex work right now is 279 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: because she has out an l a like this. But 280 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: if she doesn't, she will have to revert back to that, 281 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: which is far more dangerous personally. I mean, unless you 282 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: are really really cautious and vetting your clients and working 283 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: in maybe a more high class situation, you could I 284 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: think it's still very dangerous because I mean, law enforcement 285 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: tends to prosecute sex workers, uh to a much more 286 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: extreme degree than the John's right clients. And that's because 287 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and that's because of it's almost like a slut shaming 288 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: kind of mentality that is ingrained in like our culture 289 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: and the police, because what why do you think is 290 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: it's the same thing where when you know a man 291 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: she eats let's say, or like a high profile situation 292 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: like that, the woman oftentimes is the one who gets 293 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: humiliated in the press, not the woman who he cheats with, 294 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: but the woman who he cheats on, and she becomes 295 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: pilloried as some sort of you know, oh she was 296 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: jilted you know by this like powerful man and like 297 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: we should mock her and pity her or something. Well, 298 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: it's a it's a matter. It's weird, the dichotomy of 299 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: lionizing a dude for doing this stuff a woman is 300 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: demonized for. But I would I would also point out 301 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: that the stark reality of it is that when there 302 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: are people and we have some people in the audience 303 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 1: who are sex workers, when there is a prosecution of 304 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: something like that, First off, it's already ridiculous because in 305 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: the United States, it's not illegal if you're filming it 306 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: and selling it. It's like, that's what makes it not 307 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: illegal exact cases, and that's just so bizarre. But also 308 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: the people like sex workers who are being prosecuted are 309 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: often in tremendously vulnerable positions, so they can't they may 310 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: not have legal recourse that other people may possess. I 311 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: don't know, but it's just really tough because there needs 312 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: to be some kind of online place for this stuff, 313 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 1: and at some point some company has to be bold 314 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: and just say this is what we're doing. The problem 315 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: is that comes with a whole host of other problems 316 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: that you already outlined about controlling who's using it and 317 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: how they're using it, and you know what types of 318 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: nefarious stuff could find its way onto one of those things. 319 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: But then they have to work directly with whatever banking 320 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: institution and or banking institutions to make it legal and 321 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: and work, and to make it air tight enough for 322 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: those banking institutions comfort level. But I would argue it 323 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: might not even be about that, because it's very similar 324 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: with like marijuana, for example, Like marijuana as legal and 325 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: in many parts of the country now, but a lot 326 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: of those, um, you know, companies have a hard time 327 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: getting bank loans or I've been into several old dispensaries 328 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: that are like chains. For example, there's one in the 329 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: California called Medmen, and they make you like take cash out, 330 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: they make you get cash back and then pay them 331 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: with the cash back. So it's obviously a point of 332 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: sale issue where they can't directly process your at your 333 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: visa so you get charged. It just seems really weird 334 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: and esoteric, like you know what I mean, like really 335 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: like outdated. But it's literally a product of them not 336 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: being able to have direct access to visa master card 337 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: and payment processing because for the same reason, because the 338 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: regulations are still on the fence nationally, they don't want 339 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: to be associated with it. So something to keep an 340 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: eye on. I mean, you know what happens with in 341 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: a situation like this, you know, uh goes down, there's 342 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: a vacuum, and then something usually fills that vacuum. So 343 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 1: I I don't imagine that that the folks that are 344 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: on this platform making their money are like losing their 345 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: minds entirely. Uh. The effect the new regulations don't go 346 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: into affect until October, and there are already other plot 347 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: forms like this that exist that many of these folks 348 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: probably are already on in tandem, which probably just means 349 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: that the audience will migrate to that other platform. It 350 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: was the thing that you guys remember tumbler Um. Tumbler 351 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: was like a blog site that had an interesting format 352 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: and and they also were known for being open to 353 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: pornography or explicit images. And uh, I believe Yahoo bought 354 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: them and did the very same thing that we're seeing here. 355 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: They wanted to get more investment, they wanted to try 356 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: to make into something more palatable, and so they also 357 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: banned the thing that literally made the product that they 358 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: bought what it was. Do you guys think about tumblre 359 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: much anymore these days? Not really? Uh? I know my 360 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: wife liked it a lot when it was around. Well, 361 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: there there was a lot of like, you know, kind 362 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: of cool art c type stuff, and some of it 363 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: happened to be a little bit on the erotic side. 364 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was like hardcore pornography, but it 365 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: definitely aired on the side leaned more towards the like 366 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: kind of titillating type stuff. But um, somebody keep an 367 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: eye on It's interesting how much control these institutions have 368 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,360 Speaker 1: over literally everything we consume. Um. And then we talked 369 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: about a lot, and we will talk about it more, 370 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: I have no doubt. But in the meantime, we're gonna 371 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: take quick break to hear from a word from our sponsor, 372 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with more strange news. All right, 373 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: welcome back. We are going to get pretty serious here 374 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: for a few minutes. Uh. This one. The story is 375 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: coming out of California, and it is about a very 376 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: tragic event, an event that is unsolved as we record this. 377 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: On the August I'm gonna read from the Mercury News. 378 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: Here's the headline, missing Northern California family of three found 379 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: dead in remote hiking area identified. This was written on 380 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: August nineteen of this year, so not long ago at all. 381 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna read a bit from this. It was, 382 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: uh is written by the Associated Press and put into 383 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: the Mercury News. It says a northern California family of 384 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: three that have been reported missing was found dead Tuesday 385 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: along with the family's dog on a hiking trail in 386 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: a remote area of the Sierra National Forest. People who 387 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: were looking for the family discovered the vehicle, the family vehicle. 388 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: It was parked at the Sierra National Forest, and not 389 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: that far away they found the bodies of John Garish, 390 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:33,360 Speaker 1: Ellen Chung, their one year old daughter, and their dog Um. 391 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: They were found near a place called Devil's Gulch. And 392 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: this is a Mariposa County that was according to the 393 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: sheriff of that county. Now here's the thing. When the 394 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: family was initially discovered, the cause of death was not 395 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: immediately known and it wasn't easily discernible, so you know, 396 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: people were trying to figure out what the ha happened. 397 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: There's no you know, if you're if you're a crime 398 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: scene investigator, nothing jumps out as in, that's obb see 399 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: why one or more of these people expired. Um especially 400 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: finding the dog and the one year old also dead, 401 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: makes it extremely puzzling that there's no signs. So on 402 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: the nineteenth or right around that time, investigators there in 403 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: Mariposa County are hit with a mystery like what the 404 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: heck happened? And of course speculation begins because we don't 405 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: have answers what could possibly kill an entire family while 406 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 1: they're hiking. The first thing you may think about is 407 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: the heat. You've heard this, You've experienced this, no doubt, 408 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: depending where you live on this planet. Everywhere, but particularly 409 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: in the Western United States, there have been heat waves 410 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: where it gets up to a hundred degrees very easily, 411 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: sometimes a hundred and five on that day when they 412 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: were found, when they you know, perhaps died. It had 413 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: reached a hundred and nine degrees fahrenheit, which is not good. 414 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: But investigators found that there was water. They were carrying 415 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: water with them when they were hiking, because they were 416 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: on a hike as a family they like to do 417 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: that they were prepared. That doesn't seem to be the cause, 418 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: at least as of right now. And as the reporting 419 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: continued up until today on the twenty three, all kinds 420 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: of things, possibilities have been put out there. One that 421 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: I thought you guys might be interested in, one that 422 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: piqued my interest at least, was the concept that there 423 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: was an algae bloom on a nearby river or within 424 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: a nearby rivers system that perhaps could have contributed to 425 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: their deaths. And I had never heard of that as 426 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: a thing that could potentially be fatal to say, an 427 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: entire family just out of the blue, Like that sounds 428 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 1: like a red tide type situation where it can be 429 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: like toxic or something, or what's the deal with the 430 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: algae bloom? Well, I learned a little bit about it 431 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: from the BBC from an article they posted titled poison 432 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: algae may have killed California family, police say, And it 433 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: does say that the nearby waterways were being tested for 434 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: any some kind of toxic algae bloom that may have occurred, 435 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: because uh, not that long ago these same waterways did 436 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: have a toxic algae bloom. So I mean that very well. 437 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,719 Speaker 1: Maybe the answer to the questions here and that's it 438 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: and mysteries over terrible tragedy. That's what happened, but perhaps not. 439 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know much about toxic algae blooms how 440 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: they would actually kill a whole family like that. Do 441 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: you know anything about that, Ben, Yeah, just the brief 442 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: part of it. And this is from the California Department 443 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: of Public Health along with Sierra National Forest. It's weird 444 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: because algae bloom, I think for some of us might 445 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: make you think of a flower blossomy. Right, Uh, it's 446 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: not super different. Uh. This can happen with cyanobacteria and 447 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: then several kinds of different algae. And what happens is 448 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: when they bloom, they're growing out of troll at an 449 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: unprecedented pace. And this happens when water is warm, stagnant, 450 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: or slow moving, and it's full of stuff that maybe 451 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: is not the best for us to drink a ton of, 452 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: but is awesome for algae like nutrients like nitrogen and phosphorus. 453 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 1: And when they when they grow that quickly, they become 454 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: too dense or they can use up the existing oxygen 455 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: in the water and that's when they start to release gases. 456 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: So you could you could be poisoned by the gas 457 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: admitted by this algae bloom. It's not like it's not 458 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: like a swamp thing moment where something rises from the 459 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: muck and then physically hits people, because then you would, 460 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: like to your point about what the investigator said, you 461 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: would see things like contusions, bruising, broken bones, broken highoid bone, 462 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: if they're getting choked. So what this sounds like is 463 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: more like um quite possibly asphyxiation um or or poisoning 464 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: in general role from the inhalation of those gases and 465 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: that like if you mixed ammonia and chlorine or something 466 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: like that and you created something, they would create a 467 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: chemical reaction that creates chlorine gas that would kill the 468 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: hell out of you. Just so, yeah, it reminds me 469 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: of those exploding lake stories. Remember about that on the 470 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: African continent, because when those those were dangerous, I think 471 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: one killed thousands of people and that wasn't an algae bloom. 472 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: That was just a concentration of carbon dioxide that blue 473 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: that created this gas cloud. But this gas cloud caught 474 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 1: people unawares and it took their lives as a result. 475 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 1: So it seems like a strange a culprit is an 476 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: algae bloom. May sound like it seems plausible, doesn't it. 477 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, again, we're not experts on this, No, 478 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: we're not. It does seem like it could be that. 479 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: There are a couple other things that are being put 480 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: out by places like the Washington Post. You can read 481 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: about this story everywhere right now. Things like a nearby 482 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 1: cave system somehow, in one way or another released you know, 483 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: gases again, maybe anything from from rad on to carbon 484 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: monoxide to just other gases that are escaping a cave 485 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: system because of some small collapse or some release of 486 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: gas that generally wouldn't happen on a regular basis that 487 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: would cause the immediate area or maybe a depressed area 488 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: from an elevation standpoint of where they were in to 489 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: cause it to like fill up with gas and push 490 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the oxygen out. If it's a heavier gas, 491 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: that's a possibility That's really all I've seen as how 492 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: it could have happened because of the state in which 493 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: everyone was found. Right now, the dog is going or 494 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: was maybe is going through a necropsy. There's going to 495 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: be toxicology reports coming back in the next you know, 496 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: several days week, so we will hopefully find out more. 497 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: And one last thing from the Washington Post here, This 498 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: was just an extra bit of detail that I hadn't 499 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: seen before. This is posted today. The twenty three says 500 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: a couple of their baby and their dog died on 501 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: a California hiking trail and officials don't know why. And 502 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: it's just a little more detail, saying that the father, Garish, 503 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: was sitting. He was in a seated position, The baby 504 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: and the dog were near him and chung. The woman, 505 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: his wife, was found further away, not that far but 506 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: up the hill. To me, that reads, maybe she notices 507 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: something is wrong with either the dog, the child, somebody, 508 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: She feels something is wrong with herself and is trying 509 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: to get to higher ground, but she doesn't make it. 510 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: That's to me what it says. But I I have 511 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: no idea. Ben. You you found something about actually identifying 512 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: algae blooms can you tell us about that. Yeah, this 513 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: is something that could be helpful hopefully to anybody who 514 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: you might find themselves in the same situation. What could 515 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: surprise you is how quickly this stuff could become dangerous 516 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: if you're if it is nolge bloom, and if you're 517 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: around it at the wrong time. So the California Apartment 518 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 1: of Public Health says that first, you can notice something 519 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: odd about the color. It may appear as though paint 520 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: is floating on the water. Fellow color deficient people, this 521 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: is why you use the Buddy system, because you, like me, 522 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 1: may not know that is brown or red color in 523 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: the water, coloring to the water, but it could also 524 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: be green or blue. And uh there there are a 525 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: couple of other things you can you can tell just 526 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: by um what mac would call an ocular assessment. There 527 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: you go ocular assessments by yourself or a buddy, you 528 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: know what. Let's say, let's use Buddy system for everything, 529 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: every instance where you need to identify toxic algae balloons 530 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: just to get a second opinion. Yeah, I'd like to 531 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: have somebody else in the restroom, you know, just in case, 532 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: because there's toxic stuff that goes on there. Well, I mean, 533 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: we're also living in a dangerous world, fellas. I think 534 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the buddy system is probably just in general, a good policy. Yeah, yeah, 535 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: especially especially unfortunately in Atlanta specifically these days. Uh, that 536 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: there were a couple of other indicators, right, that people 537 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: could use to tell whether there was potentially toxic algae 538 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: in water. Yes, you also want to look out for 539 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: cloudy water. Hmm yeah, cloudy water easy to tell, right. 540 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: I've started to think maybe we live in a dirty 541 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: part of town. Yeah, because get any river or lake 542 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: in Georgia, slash in near Atlanta, and that's what it 543 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: looks like. Dude. I recently saw some clear water before 544 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: I came back, and I thought it was dirty because 545 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: I realized it was so clear I could see the 546 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: ground under it, and I thought, oh, that's what That's 547 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: what water is supposed to look like. Yeah, that's when 548 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: it's not just the almost colloid consistency um that is 549 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 1: really important. The other thing is smell, Just to point 550 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: that out. If you're by a stream or something, or 551 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, in my backyard down where the little creek 552 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: is and it smells awful, not great, it doesn't mean 553 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: it's a toxic algae. Bloom, but probably just standing water 554 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: or something gross like that. Yeah, but you just have 555 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: to be careful because it really depends on elevation a 556 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: lot of times. So where you are, and if there's 557 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: a pocket of say like in a in a toxic 558 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: algae bloom, a pocket of carbon monoxide, or like in 559 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: any of those other instances, that CEO will just pool 560 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: basically Eric can pool. So you just have to be 561 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: super careful of that stuff. Doesn't Doesn't this almost remind 562 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: you of like the twist ending to like ned Garland 563 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: post story or something like you think they're looking for 564 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: the murderer the whole time, and then at the end 565 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: it turns out it was like a monkey with a 566 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: razor or like a toxic algae blue like a twist. Yeah, 567 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: for mystery novel, right, Yeah for sure. Also, just really 568 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: quickly because I had this question, I just took it 569 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: upon myself looking up. Matt, you mentioned a neck cropsy 570 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: on the dog, and maybe folks already know this, but 571 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. Uh. Neck cropsy and autopsy are essentially the 572 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: same thing. But neck cropsy is parlance used to refer 573 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: to digging, up, exhuming, and examining an animal specifically humans 574 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: are still about themselves. We need our own word. This 575 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: is an autotopsy. Uh no, don't do an autotopsy. Who 576 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: an autotopsy is? That? Is that what you take apart 577 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: a car to figure out? Yeah, well it's not working. 578 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: I was thinking more of in the sense of an autobiography, 579 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: so it's like that makes way more sense. Yes, I 580 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: always thought that was one of the I don't know 581 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: how realistic it is. I know what has happened in 582 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: the real world in the past, but I always thought 583 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: that was one of the most badass things you would 584 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: see in action movies where someone does some sort of 585 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: self administered surgery bites down on a wooden spoon. Yeah. 586 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Like yeah, sometimes while they're giving a speech to like 587 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: the person they just met earlier at the mall or whatever, 588 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: and they're like fighting down. They're like stobbies by the clips, 589 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: I need you to run the foot locker exactly. Good teeth, 590 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: gritted yowl is always a good a good move um 591 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, and the stitching it up. Also, the part 592 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 1: that always gives me that I don't like needles, But 593 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 1: the part that always makes me internally cringe is when 594 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 1: they pour the alcohol on it. You know, and you 595 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: know like, actually this is not a spoiler at all, 596 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: but if anyone's seen or plans to see, uh, the 597 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: New Quiet Place movie, there gnarly injury that takes place 598 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,360 Speaker 1: in that and requires said self serry, not self surgery, 599 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: but real close and the part where the liquid gets 600 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: poured on it is a just absolute gut wrenching screen. 601 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,239 Speaker 1: You could do it. This has nothing to do with 602 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: analogy Bloom and this tragic, tragic death, But I've always 603 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: been curious, Um, do you guys think Matt Noel doc 604 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: that if you were required to, you could take one 605 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: of those syringes and stab yourself with it, you know 606 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 1: where the ones where you have to like get into 607 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,279 Speaker 1: your chest in the Yeah, do you think you could 608 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: do it? It's into the muscle, right, It's not like 609 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: a vein. You gotta literally just shove that thing into 610 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 1: a muscle. If I'm not mistaken, let me check to 611 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: make sure. You know a step self and chest with needle. Well, 612 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: that's that's like the pulp fiction scenario, or you're trying 613 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: to restart somebody's heart. There are there are situations where 614 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: if you have a real bad injury, you might need 615 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: to dis injected into the surrounding muscle tissue rather than like, 616 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure, there are intramuscular injections like say, 617 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: for um diabetes and things like that. Yes, yeah, like 618 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, people administer um insulin to themselves aside dramatic thing. Well, 619 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,240 Speaker 1: I just looked with not super heavy research, to be honest, 620 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: and it appears that in the idea of ejecting medication 621 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: straight into the heart is a movie myth. According to 622 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: Scott at Gizmoto, it is garbage. He seem yeah, yeah, 623 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: not having his first name on that really persuades me. 624 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of hat if you just have 625 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: to know him bout his first name. But well, I 626 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: guess it's it's better that we, the four of us, 627 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: don't know whether we could do it, because it would 628 00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: be a bad idea. Yes, just leave you with this 629 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: last thing. According to the Fresno B no signs of trauma. 630 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: According to CNN, no suicide note or indication that there 631 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: is something intentional that occurred while they were out hiking 632 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: the cause their deaths. It is a mystery. Hopefully you 633 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: will have answers soon, And dang it, it's just a 634 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: terrible tragedy that this occurred, and we can only hope 635 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:17,239 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen again ever, especially anytime soon. All right, 636 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: right to us if you hear anything, and we will 637 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: tell you how to get in contact with us at 638 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,879 Speaker 1: the end of this episode. For now, we'll be right 639 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: back after a word from our sponsor and we have returned. 640 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: But before we move on, Matt, I just uh, you know, 641 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: I wonder how many mysterious deaths like that occur each year, 642 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: you know, because it again, to Knowle's point, it does 643 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: have this troubly mysterious aspect to it. And I hope, 644 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, with thoughts with the survivors. And I'm gonna 645 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: I think we're all gonna keep an eye on the 646 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: updates from the autopsy here, because if we don't know 647 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: what happened, then we have no way of preventing it 648 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: from happening in the future. So I was just something 649 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: on my mind, dear, you know, or break our last 650 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: story for today folks. Before we record the three of 651 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 1: us kind of we usually get together and we think like, hey, 652 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 1: what how should we present this? And that's why you 653 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 1: sometimes hear us say, Okay, we're gonna finish with a 654 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 1: light one because we did some heavy stuff. What did 655 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,720 Speaker 1: you call it, Matt, A good sandwich? Serious sandwich? Serious? Sorry, 656 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: serious sandwich. Let we call it like a muffletta. That's 657 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: a serious sandwich. Yeah, mufflettas are so good. It's so 658 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: weird that people are against them. Uh. Sorry, I just 659 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: don't like it. Okay, that's right. It was you. It 660 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: was you. Afraid he doesn't like all of salad, which 661 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: I understand. I used to be really squeaky about alive 662 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: based products in my older age. I have gotten much 663 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: more cool with it. But I only like it in 664 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: certain situations, and that is as a topping, and that 665 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: muffletta is what's up. I feel kind of add because 666 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: now I think Nolan I both genuinely forgot. I was 667 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: remembering a mufflettic conversation where I was surprised it was you, 668 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: But you know what to eat their own to exactly exactly. 669 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: I try at least one per year on and you 670 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: went to the good place to write in the place 671 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: that's known and famous for mufflettics, Central Grocery, Right. Did Uh? 672 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: Don't feel bad, man, I think a lot of people 673 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: have foods like that. Like I'll be. This is kind 674 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: of dumb to admit. I don't understand why I try it. 675 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: You know, you're in situations where it's like you're supposed 676 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: to drink some wine and I'll sit there with a 677 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: glass in my hand, but I feel like a tool. 678 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: I don't know what I don't. I don't know the 679 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: difference between, you know, the really fancy stuff and the 680 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: really cheap, and science proves there's not that much of 681 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: a difference. Sorry, smiles. I don't either. I drink white 682 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: wine out of a box because I like the way 683 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: it makes me feel and I find it refreshing. I 684 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: put put ice cubes in it because I'm trash. I 685 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 1: like red wine though, for cooking. I like to put 686 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 1: a red wine in my ragou if I'm making like 687 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 1: a nice set spaghetti bolonets or something. I read wine 688 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: is a lovely thing, nice red wine in it or whatever. 689 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: For anyway, So how do we segue this? Gents? We 690 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: are talking about food, right This is this is an update, 691 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 1: a bit of an update to something we've talked about 692 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,480 Speaker 1: a few times on this show. Yes, yeah uh. In 693 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 1: the past, we, like the rest of the denizens of 694 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: the Internet, made fun of McDonald's ice cream machines. This 695 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: joke has become so ubiquitous that people have it started 696 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 1: to reach the level of hack comedy, almost like airline food. 697 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: Come on, right, it's not so good, Right, it's not 698 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 1: so good. Some people walk different at the mall. Foot 699 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,879 Speaker 1: else what else? Socks? How was the where do they go? Where? 700 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: Where do they go? Exactly? Exactly? And so the interesting thing, 701 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: and I think this was this was something we touched 702 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,960 Speaker 1: on previously in Strange News, is that there is sand 703 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 1: to all the complaining about this. The McDonald's ice cream machines, 704 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,760 Speaker 1: which can make both milkshakes and soft serve, are pretty 705 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: much broken a ludicrous amount of time, so much so 706 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: that in our previous segment, which I think you did, no, 707 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: there was nap created that would tell you in pretty 708 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: close to real time which machines were or were not 709 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: working in McDonald's across the United States. I think it 710 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: was like crowdsource the way, like the Ways app will 711 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 1: allow you to say is there a cop at this 712 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: intersection as they are disabled vehicle, and then you can 713 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: say yes or no. I think this one probably was 714 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: a similar grid where if you're in the proximity of McDonald's. 715 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,480 Speaker 1: You're supposed to check in on them and then give 716 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: a R and A and so a view all these 717 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: little icons on these maps that would show you, like 718 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: which ones were out of order, And it was comical 719 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 1: ben the degree to which they were very much not 720 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: in order. And it turns out, it turns out that 721 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:17,200 Speaker 1: that itself is a genuine conspiracy, which I was not expecting. 722 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody else was expecting this, But 723 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,800 Speaker 1: the argument and the mystery of McDonald's ice cream machines 724 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: has escalated to a new level. People are filing restraining 725 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: orders over this. Here's what Here's what happened. The truth 726 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: of the matter is that the ice cream machines that 727 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: are used in McDonald's, at least across the US, if 728 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,240 Speaker 1: not the world, are all the same type of machine. 729 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: They're manufactured by the same company. There's something called a 730 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: Taylor C six O two digital ice cream machine. This thing, 731 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: this Taylor contraption, is in these McDonald's because the franchisees 732 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: are legally required to only have that machine. Furthermore, that machine, 733 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: which is notoriously complicated and fragile and finicky, can only 734 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: be serviced by a technician who is certified by Taylor 735 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 1: and Taylor has a deal with management of McDonald's. In fact, 736 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: there are allegations that part of this deal came about 737 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: because members of McDonald's management, whether pastor present, had a 738 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: lot of stock and Taylor. So what we're really talking 739 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: about past the fun memes, which are great and I'm 740 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: sorry I called them a hack comedy. That doesn't mean 741 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 1: it's bad. I laugh at them too. Write the past 742 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: the memes, though, this is a very serious conversation about 743 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,239 Speaker 1: something known as the right to repair, which is just 744 00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: going to get more and more um controversy shoal and 745 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 1: more of a hot issue as the years go by. 746 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,879 Speaker 1: It's something that we've encountered before. We talked about planned obts, 747 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,200 Speaker 1: lescens It's something that we encounter before we talked about like, um, 748 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,439 Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was us a few years ago. 749 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 1: We're talking about trying to fix our iPhones on our 750 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: own or androids. If you guys ever attempted that. There 751 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,080 Speaker 1: are little videos and walkthroughs and how to do it. 752 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: You gotta have tiny little tools, I think, some proprietary tools, 753 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: but it can be done. I mean, the folks that 754 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,040 Speaker 1: have those kiosks at them all are basically just like 755 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,360 Speaker 1: self starters that figured out how to do that and 756 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: made a little business out of it, but they're not 757 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: like certified apple people. Yeah, and we see that civilization 758 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,480 Speaker 1: is moving away from an ownership society in general to 759 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: a service society. Right, it's not impossible to say that 760 00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: in the future, you might have a car that is 761 00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: free but supported by ads. See's sitting a self driving 762 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: car and you just have to watch advertisements the entire time. 763 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: I don't know how the business model works. They're gonna 764 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,960 Speaker 1: have to figure out a few things there. I can't 765 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 1: really name the book, Gosh darn it. It It was a 766 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: really cool book by this futurist guy, and he was 767 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,239 Speaker 1: kind of predicting all of the like escalations of our 768 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: like crowdsourced models of things. And one of them went 769 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 1: so far as to be like, you don't even own 770 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,760 Speaker 1: furniture anymore. You kind of like pay a pay ah, 771 00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, you subscribe to a service that gets you 772 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,680 Speaker 1: what furniture you need, will occasionally switch it out. Or 773 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: maybe you don't own your clothes. You just like wear 774 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: them around until you don't like them anymore, and then 775 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,440 Speaker 1: you get new ones, but you're not actually ever buying it. 776 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,399 Speaker 1: You're just paying a monthly thing. And that's the same 777 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 1: with video games. You know, you don't have the actual 778 00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: disc anymore. In theory, if the whole system went belly up, 779 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,759 Speaker 1: you might not actually own that at all. Or e 780 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,440 Speaker 1: books right when when Amazon fold of all books nine 781 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: from the contol that was not on their irony was 782 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: not lost on the internet on that one. So here's 783 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,520 Speaker 1: what happened here, here's what's been happening with McDonald's ice 784 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: cream machines. So they're they're a pain, right. You hear 785 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: farmers complaining about this in the US too. They might 786 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: have a piece of farming equipment, you know, attractor or something, 787 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239 Speaker 1: and they would totally be able to fix it. They 788 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,000 Speaker 1: would just need to have access to a way to 789 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: understand the error codes the machine is giving them. But 790 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,919 Speaker 1: because of various proprietary measures, they cannot fix the thing 791 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: that they purchased. What's happening with the McDonald's machines is 792 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,560 Speaker 1: that each one cost eighteen thousand dollars and the restaurant 793 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:35,040 Speaker 1: owners don't get to know how they work. Basically, so 794 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: if anything goes wrong and a lot of stuff goes wrong, 795 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: they have to call in one of these people. They 796 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,160 Speaker 1: have to pay that person to come in, by the way, 797 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 1: it's not free. And then the idea is that this 798 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,399 Speaker 1: somehow results in a kickback for for some faction of 799 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: the fast food empire at play. So there are these 800 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: two folks, Melissa Nelson and Jeremy O'Sullivan who started thinking 801 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,520 Speaker 1: of a way to get around this, and they began 802 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: selling something they created which they called kitch k y 803 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: t c H. So you can install it inside of 804 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: this tailor ice cream machine, you connect it to your WiFi, 805 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 1: and then it tells you what's going on. It tells 806 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: you what the purpose lee of two codes on the 807 00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,799 Speaker 1: machine mean, and then that lets you know how you 808 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 1: can fix it. So the device lets you see what's 809 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,560 Speaker 1: going on in this thing that you again own, and 810 00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: then it'll suggest trouble shooting solutions and keep uh and 811 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,800 Speaker 1: and keep track of what could be a larger problem. 812 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 1: You know what that reminds me of, been um thinking 813 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: back to your car stuff days. Those little boxes that 814 00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: they can hook up to the electronics on a car 815 00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: that reads the codes that like their literal codes that 816 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,319 Speaker 1: you as a layman would never know what the hell 817 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,400 Speaker 1: they mean. But there's like a database they keep up 818 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,239 Speaker 1: with and they know which manufacturer makes the car are 819 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 1: and they can interpret it and it could be something 820 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: that you, as a novice, could probably figure out, but 821 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: it just might be something you would never know unless 822 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,120 Speaker 1: you hooked up that. I think that's very much like 823 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 1: what this is. And it's like a little diagnostic reader 824 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: kind of thing that reads these different like sensors or whatever. Yeah, 825 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: that's a great comparison. Yeah, that's the in a vehicle. 826 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,640 Speaker 1: That's the O B D two ports which you can 827 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: you can plug in and you can get code readers 828 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: for it, and they are all kinds of neat little 829 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: things you can do with it, up to and including 830 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,759 Speaker 1: hacking a car and taking control of it if you're 831 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:37,120 Speaker 1: clever and also somehow sneaky enough to sit in the 832 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,239 Speaker 1: backseat of the car and not get caught. Yeah, or 833 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,960 Speaker 1: sometimes in the front, depending on where it is. My 834 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,640 Speaker 1: older vehicles, it was always right there in the front 835 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: driver's scene. You can access it. But that was the thing, 836 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,719 Speaker 1: though there's no way to do it like remotely yet officially. Yeah, man, 837 00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,719 Speaker 1: I saw your eyes light up though, And this ice 838 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: Cream Diagnostics that you well, the I love that we're 839 00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,359 Speaker 1: talking about cars in this way because I really think 840 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:08,480 Speaker 1: this whole thing has a lot to do with the 841 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,839 Speaker 1: car industry, especially when you you know, we've talked about 842 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: it before when we were discussing new cars and buying cars. 843 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: A company, let's say a Mazda dealer, he cheers to you, Mazda. 844 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: They will make a certain amount of money selling new vehicles. 845 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: But the way they'll really make their money because they 846 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: you know, they make a certain amount on top of 847 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 1: whatever the manufacturers prices for that vehicle. The way that 848 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: dealership actually makes money is by having that person that 849 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: just drove away with a new or used Mazda is 850 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: going to agree as a part of that purchase to 851 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,319 Speaker 1: only bring their Mazda back to this service center. Is 852 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: that there actually our exclusivity agreements that get you some 853 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,239 Speaker 1: kind of special deal or I would never agree to that, 854 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: right if you just did. I mean, we have in 855 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,360 Speaker 1: and out of network healthcare in the US. That's but 856 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: it's only up to a certain um period of time though, 857 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: right once your warranty runs out, then all bets are 858 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,040 Speaker 1: off and you can do whatever you want. Is that 859 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: the deal? Yes? But here's you pay for a certain 860 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 1: amount of time, like life, certain life of the vehicle, 861 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: right in many of those deals. But what the you know, 862 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: and I'm not I don't own a car dealership. What 863 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,040 Speaker 1: the dealership banks on is that you become so accustomed 864 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,920 Speaker 1: to taking your Masda to their Masda dealership that when 865 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,680 Speaker 1: it's time for some small change, you just go to 866 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: that Masda dealership because it's what you do now, and 867 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,440 Speaker 1: then you hopefully buy your next car from that same 868 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,200 Speaker 1: Masa dealership too. They've got you in the family. It's 869 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,359 Speaker 1: an easy kind of routine. I remember, now, I bought 870 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: a car to a a dealership. It wasn't new, but it 871 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,279 Speaker 1: was so far away from me I never would have 872 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: taken it there in a million years. So I'm I 873 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: think I got a certified pre owned car that was 874 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,560 Speaker 1: like you didn't have very many miles off. I don't 875 00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,279 Speaker 1: think that was part of the deal, but I can 876 00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,959 Speaker 1: certainly see how that makes a lot of sense because 877 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 1: also in the mind of the consumer, they're the experts. 878 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,400 Speaker 1: They're the ones that made the car, you know, so 879 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 1: therefore who better to work on it than the experts. 880 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,440 Speaker 1: If I'm going to pay anybody a hundred and fifty 881 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: dollars for an oil change. You know it's gonna be 882 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: the same people who ripped me off last I just like, 883 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,279 Speaker 1: I just liked Rod so much. He gave me such 884 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: a good deal, uh, such a good rate. Right, yeah, 885 00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean this is a big thing, and I think 886 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,120 Speaker 1: you're You're absolutely right, Matt. First off, not we're not 887 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: accusing dealership of any kind of untoward activity, because that 888 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,239 Speaker 1: that is just familiarity. And I'm not saying that dealerships 889 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: are ripping people off. In fact, there are, like there 890 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: are tons of fantastic mechanics at dealerships, and they choose 891 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,919 Speaker 1: to work at those dealerships when they could have gone 892 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 1: somewhere else. Certainly limits your options to shop around, though, 893 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,359 Speaker 1: and to find the best price. You can maybe leave 894 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,280 Speaker 1: that it is. It is a bargain with definitive pros 895 00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,920 Speaker 1: and cons. But also this is part of a new reality. Increasingly, 896 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,600 Speaker 1: automobiles are especially the ones that are more on the 897 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:10,719 Speaker 1: bleeding edge of technology, like the newer electric vehicles, new 898 00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 1: or hybrid vehicles. Those aren't really things the average person 899 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 1: can work on in their home garage. And this is 900 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,960 Speaker 1: also happening with phones. It's also happening with ice cream. 901 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,239 Speaker 1: If you've ever cracked open maybe a laptop to do 902 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: some repairs, you know that mac book can be notoriously finicky. 903 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,279 Speaker 1: To wrap this up, and I do want to keep 904 00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: an eye on this, There is what Andy Greenberg over 905 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: at Wired called a cold war between Kitch and McDonald 906 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: no pun left behind, no wordplay left behind. And what's 907 00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,640 Speaker 1: going on now is that so Kitch got in trouble 908 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,319 Speaker 1: with Taylor because they felt like they were taking this 909 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,840 Speaker 1: proprietary information or they were they were breaking a profit 910 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,959 Speaker 1: system that kind of tax the franchise ease of these 911 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: fast food places, arguably because you know, just like the 912 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,760 Speaker 1: dealership example, Matt use, they're locked in. They can only 913 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,000 Speaker 1: go to this one source, even if they know how 914 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,280 Speaker 1: to repair a thing. So Taylor, the manufacturer of these machines, 915 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 1: hit back with a really weird objection in court. Uh, 916 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: they said, you can't if you're a franchise eve McDonald's, 917 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,440 Speaker 1: you can't use these kitchen devices because they can cause 918 00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: quote serious human injury death by ice cream machine, or 919 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 1: may mean by ice cream machine. Matt's nodding like, yeah, 920 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:44,960 Speaker 1: it's it's a tragedy. Those things, those things turn and 921 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,879 Speaker 1: turn for a reason, that's true, and sometimes they could 922 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:53,080 Speaker 1: turn and churn on you. So earlier this summer, Kitch 923 00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,440 Speaker 1: one a legal battle against this company Taylor, and a 924 00:53:56,560 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 1: California judge issued a temporary raining order against the company 925 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,000 Speaker 1: because apparently the bigger the bigger dog in the fight, Taylor, 926 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 1: had acquired one of these kitchen Solution devices and they 927 00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,720 Speaker 1: were trying to reverse engineer it and build their own 928 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: version of the same thing. So every time you get, um, 929 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,520 Speaker 1: it's a good mcflurry, every time you get a mcflurry, 930 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,160 Speaker 1: or every time you you know it gets some delicious 931 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,239 Speaker 1: ice cream from McDonald's and machines working, you are, in 932 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,600 Speaker 1: a way a by standard on a battlefield, right that's 933 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: taking place at fourteen thousand locations or something like that 934 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:42,680 Speaker 1: across the US, tens of thousands across the world. Uh, 935 00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: And that might be the thing, you know, that might 936 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,360 Speaker 1: be the thing that makes you think I should have 937 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 1: gone to Blubadubba is the best? Um Ben This rang 938 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,320 Speaker 1: a bell for me from a story that I thought 939 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: I may have heard on public radio, and I just 940 00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,320 Speaker 1: confirmed that I did. In fact, here it um Apparently 941 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,319 Speaker 1: in states and Congress are looking at something called right 942 00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: to repair legislation uh this year. Um. Also, this is 943 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,160 Speaker 1: something that's happening globally and it is largely spurred by 944 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,360 Speaker 1: the isolation of COVID nineteen lockdowns. Um. The you know, 945 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: people are really getting tired of having to send their 946 00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,280 Speaker 1: crap back the manufacturer because then you're at the mercy 947 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,400 Speaker 1: of the manufacturer. You don't know how they don't have 948 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: any Uh, there's no requirement they guarantee how quickly you'll 949 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: get your stuff back. You'd much more likely try to 950 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,319 Speaker 1: give it a go yourself, and with YouTube and you know, 951 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,839 Speaker 1: manuals and all of that. Uh, it's certainly something within 952 00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,200 Speaker 1: the realm of possibility. But because of exactly what we're 953 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,640 Speaker 1: talking about, ben, a lot of the types of tools 954 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: and diagnostic things, they are kept on lock by the manufacturers, 955 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,839 Speaker 1: so they're essentially they have you over a barrel. And 956 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: this legislation that's being looked at would seek to prevent 957 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:58,399 Speaker 1: manufacturers from keeping those proprietary tools from the public. And 958 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, there are arguments that companies will have against 959 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,840 Speaker 1: what we will call the right the right to repair. 960 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,839 Speaker 1: And then you know, like anybody who's thought, boy, I'm 961 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 1: sure getting ripped off because I can't. I don't have 962 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 1: the ability or the wherewithal to fix the thing that 963 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: I paid for. You can see how this could be 964 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,839 Speaker 1: an immensely frustrating situation, but we wanted to give you 965 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:28,279 Speaker 1: an inside look at ice cream conspiracy. You know what 966 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,600 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear from someone who has had experience 967 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,520 Speaker 1: fighting for the right to repair something. I mentioned farmers 968 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,919 Speaker 1: earlier to their horror stories about farmers trying to say, 969 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,759 Speaker 1: let me, let me fix the thing I own. I 970 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,920 Speaker 1: know what's wrong with it, I know how to fix it. 971 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,239 Speaker 1: Your system won't let me. 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