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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. A couple of exclusive items will be featured

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Speaker 1: in today's newsletter. An interview that I recorded with former

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Speaker 1: Steeler linebacker Ryan Shazier. We discussed the journey after his

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Speaker 1: career ending injury, and he talks about his worst day

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Speaker 1: after that spinal contusion. It's a really, really good interview,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate Ryan joining us. Also, we'll take you

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes of one of our rejected calendar pictures,

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Speaker 1: Fritzie and mclovin. They were going to recreate Simon and

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Speaker 1: Garfunkel an album cover there. What happened with that? McLevin.

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Speaker 1: One of us didn't look like the person we were

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Speaker 1: supposed to look like. Either I didn't look like Garfuncle

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Speaker 1: or Todd didn't look like Simon. We were never told

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Speaker 1: which of us did not look the park, which is

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Speaker 1: amazing to me because I think if I had a

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Speaker 1: blond wig on, I look like Garfuncle and Todd is

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Speaker 1: the spitting image of nineteen seventy eight Paul Siley. We

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the process. I'm bummed that they didn't do more

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Speaker 1: with those lovely things. And you made us to Fleetwood

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Speaker 1: mac instead, it's a tod out to wear a dress.

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Speaker 1: Both will be featured exclusively in today's newsletter. Have you

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Speaker 1: seen that Chevy commercial where a guy goes out to

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Speaker 1: the barn or where the daughter gets him restores the

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Speaker 1: old car. Yes, that's not fair. You know that he

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Speaker 1: got such a kick ass car. Yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's like Mary Christmas, Dad, you know, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: what are you getting your dad's seaton? I don't know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe nothing, Maybe a leather wallet okay from FC Goods. Yeah, okay, mclovin,

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Speaker 1: what are you getting your dad? I'm getting him a

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Speaker 1: GMC truck. Apparently that's what happens at commercials, you know,

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Speaker 1: fifty seven thousand dollars truck. Yeah. Does anybody ever? Do

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Speaker 1: you know anybody who's actually gotten like a car with

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Speaker 1: a big bow on it? Really? Yeah? Pull. I know

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Speaker 1: a guy who's a dentist, and to be fair, his

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Speaker 1: girlfriend supported him all through dental school, and once he

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Speaker 1: got his wife like an Audi, a seven pretty expensive car,

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Speaker 1: and he did the bow on the driveway wake her

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Speaker 1: up thing, like just like the commercial. That's but I've

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Speaker 1: never heard of anyone else do that. I bought my

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Speaker 1: wife a pickup truck and old that that fifty three

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Speaker 1: should be pick up. But that was for her birthday

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Speaker 1: but not for Christmas. But no cool. Yeah, Like she

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Speaker 1: pulled in the driveway and I was in the truck

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Speaker 1: wearing a bow. Yes, and nothing else. Yes, that's say, yeah,

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Speaker 1: yeah and nothing else? Yeah, yes, Todd, what about that

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Speaker 1: perfect couple in the snow, Like he gets her a

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Speaker 1: puppy and she gets him like a seventy thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: GMC truck whatever that costs. Oh, yeah, that seems like

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Speaker 1: he see you probably feel a little bad about that

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Speaker 1: he didn't throw some earrings in there, or you should

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Speaker 1: feel bad. I said that about thirty seconds ago. Yes, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I've surprised my wife about four or five times by

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Speaker 1: I bought like an old car and she comes home

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Speaker 1: like in the driveway, Oh, just an old I saw

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Speaker 1: I do it the office away. I buy myself a

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Speaker 1: mcloven and then we have an eye team investigation, so

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Speaker 1: we actually put up which opening do you want? Because

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Speaker 1: it was such an interesting debate the Bears, the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: or the Jags. And the early leader is the Raiders. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just feels like they're you know,

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Speaker 1: at Trevor Lawrence. You know, you're already paying Derek Carr.

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Speaker 1: He's already got his contract extension. Trevor Lawrence is still

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Speaker 1: in the rookie contract. I just don't know if players

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Speaker 1: division that you're in, Like you know that you have

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Speaker 1: potentially the best quarterback in the division. Question is what

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Speaker 1: the Jags are a close second. The Bears, I think

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing this correct, are zero percent, zero zero. Paully

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Speaker 1: didn't even vote for the Bears. Now, I wouldn't take

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Speaker 1: Let's say he eventually leaves for a job like you

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Speaker 1: didn't build that program at Ohio State. It's still urban

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if that's one of those where

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Speaker 1: that Ryan Day would have been a better choice. He

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Speaker 1: make Trevor Lawrence better. All Right, the IT team investigation

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Speaker 1: or report. The motto of our news team is fast

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Speaker 1: and raw is still fast. Let's go to the newsroom,

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Speaker 1: PAULI Fellas you remember, about a year and a half

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Speaker 1: ago or so, when Tom Brady announced he was going

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Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay, we posted on our social media minutes

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Speaker 1: after welcome to Tampa Bay. Hahaha, pretty easy joke, but

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Speaker 1: we did it and then immediately seton got the T

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Speaker 1: shirt guys going and put together a report. I'll put

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Speaker 1: together a shirt. I mean within minutes, right, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: almost immediately within the hour, we had a Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: shirt ready to roll. Now it's sold very well. America

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Speaker 1: wanted the shirt. We fulfilled their what they wanted. And

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Speaker 1: then on April twenty, twenty twenty, the respectable law firm

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Speaker 1: of Latham and Watkins sent us a note about Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady's intellectual rights. It wasn't a note, it was a

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Speaker 1: season desist. There was a season desist. Letter has come

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Speaker 1: to our attention that you were selling T shirts and

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Speaker 1: violation of mister Brady's intellectual rights. While we appreciate your

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Speaker 1: enthusiay and for mister Brady is a recent moved to

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Speaker 1: Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay, we request that you immediately stopped

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Speaker 1: selling unauthorized merchandise. And as you remember the lines, as

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Speaker 1: you know, mister Brady recently announced we'll be joining Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Mister Brady's first name is Tom, and hewhears the number twelve,

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Speaker 1: which will be fair. We knew all those things, not

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Speaker 1: all of us knew it, but okay most of us. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: mister Brady really blah blah blah blah, please cease and desist.

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Speaker 1: You know we listen to them. Yes, fast forward to

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Speaker 1: last night. Tom Brady has that show What's the Man

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Speaker 1: in the Arena? Yes, it's produced by Tom Brady and

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's team, so he owns and operates his show

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Speaker 1: just like the Manning Brothers. Down right. I gotta let

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Speaker 1: a note last night from a producer for the docuse

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Speaker 1: series Man in the Arena, a ten episode ESPN Plus series.

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Speaker 1: This is from them. Hope this finds you well, counting

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Speaker 1: down to the days to the holiday from this gentleman

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Speaker 1: who is a producer on the show. The reason I'm

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Speaker 1: reaching out to you now is in hopes that I

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Speaker 1: can get permission for usage of a clip from The

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show from a June eighteen eighteen, in which

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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick is discussing his thoughts on Julian Edelman's peed suspension.

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Speaker 1: Happened back in the day when Edelman was a Patriot.

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Speaker 1: They send the link to the clip. Blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. Our series is in partnership with the NFL

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Speaker 1: or send me an email regarding this request. Happy to

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Speaker 1: shoot over materials or anything else you want. So they

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Speaker 1: are waiting. They want to use a clip from our

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Speaker 1: show in an upcoming episode, A man in the Arena,

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Speaker 1: but we have to properly give them permission. They can't

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Speaker 1: use it. They're being respectful. Now here's the thing. Are

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Speaker 1: But something happened yesterday. I don't know if it's in

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Speaker 1: conjunction with the letter that you got an olive branch.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you guys judge this. What are you

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Speaker 1: grabbing under your desk? And can I help? What? What

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Speaker 1: the heck? Away? Tom Brady sent me a jersey and

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Speaker 1: it says Dan super Bowl fifty five champs and then

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Speaker 1: it signed Tom Brady. Wow, what I thought i'd be

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Speaker 1: signed Latham and Watkins. It came in the in the

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Speaker 1: mail overnighted yesterday, yes and yesterday at what did you?

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Speaker 1: What did you get that? Dan? What time of day? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Well was when I got home from work, so let's

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Speaker 1: that's smart by tom smart producing what Yeah, the question

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Speaker 1: is can you be bought? Well, what I was thinking

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Speaker 1: is can I get takeaway Dan and then sell this sucker?

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Speaker 1: You know, can make some money here? Can I put

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Speaker 1: It's funny that he sent you to Jersey after one

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Speaker 1: of the worst games of his career. I know, maybe

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Speaker 1: why did he distance himself from that Jersey stinks? Shut out?

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Speaker 1: It's okay, I don't think it's a game worn jersey.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where we are with this, Tommy? Is

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Speaker 1: Tommy wooing you people who get lost in those eyes?

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Speaker 1: ten seconds. Your hair looks good by you? Question Seaton?

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Speaker 1: You may make it because you asked Dan something. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to mclovin. There's a possibility Seaton could get clipped in.

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Speaker 1: Should I put that as a caveat that we need

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Speaker 1: the patriots and what they call them cheaters from back

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Speaker 1: in the day. And the quote is Julian Edeman got busted.

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Speaker 1: AFC North and they might end up winning the division.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the Cleveland

426
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Speaker 1: Browns if they don't make the playoffs, Like, how do

427
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Speaker 1: you assess Baker Mayfield for that next big contract that

428
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of hanging over the franchise. I don't think they're

429
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Speaker 1: going to give him one. I really don't. I mean,

430
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: you know, if you remember after the Lions game, they won,

431
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 1: and he didn't talk to the media the day after

432
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Speaker 1: the game and his wife had a social media post,

433
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Speaker 1: and then even last week when they beat the Ravens,

434
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Speaker 1: he talked about how they were too conservative. He talked

435
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,919
Speaker 1: about internal things like what are you doing? I mean,

436
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Speaker 1: what's first of all, this is the worst he's played

437
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: in a while. But secondly, why is he going back

438
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: to a couple of years ago when he's saying things

439
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: in the media that just don't help the team, internal things,

440
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: calling out the coaching staff when being too conservative. My

441
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: read on it is, I think that the contract things

442
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: bothering him. I think that he's seeing what happened with

443
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen. I think he probably has a feeling that

444
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: maybe the organization doesn't love him, and that's got to

445
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: be hard. I mean, he's always had the chip on

446
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Speaker 1: his shoulder. He walks on at Texas Tech, they don't

447
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: love him, he leaves, he goes to Oklahoma. It's got

448
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,360
Speaker 1: to be tough to be the number one overall pick

449
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: a year ago. He's the toast of the town and

450
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: the Browns are And I think on some level, part

451
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Speaker 1: of this build up is because he's getting nervous that

452
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Speaker 1: they're not going to make him the guy, They're not

453
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Speaker 1: going to give him the long term deal. Yeah. I

454
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Speaker 1: just wonder what the Browns how they assess this. And

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Speaker 1: I was surprised when he talked about he talked about

456
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Speaker 1: something internal and it felt like there was a disconnect

457
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Speaker 1: with him and Kevin Stefanski, the head coach. It feels

458
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: like Baker's involved in all of these controversies. You know,

459
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: it's Odell Beckham, it's play calling, wanting to play. I

460
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Speaker 1: decide if I'm gonna player not. And I think it

461
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: just there's a little too much there for me and

462
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: not enough production that I can put up with this.

463
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: If you give me that and it right now, then

464
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Speaker 1: that's a balancing act that I don't like well. And

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Speaker 1: to add on to that, Okay, they won both of

466
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Speaker 1: those games. To me, Dan as a former player, I'm

467
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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman. Why is he creating drama after wins.

468
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we should be happy we won the game.

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Speaker 1: And yet against the line they didn't score very many points,

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Speaker 1: they didn't talk to the media, and against the raven

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00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: they let the Ravens come back. They had so he

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Speaker 1: says internal things, these are wins. That's the part of

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Speaker 1: it that probably bothers me the most. I was wondering

474
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Speaker 1: about the job openings you got. The Raiders would be opened,

475
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Speaker 1: The Bears are open, the Jags are open. If I

476
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: gave you all three to choose from door number one, two,

477
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: or three, um, I think I think I might go

478
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: Raiders one and that will surprise people. I think Derek

479
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: Carr's a top ten quarterback in the NFL. I mean

480
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Speaker 1: I was impressed by him again last night. You know,

481
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: they dropped a bunch of passes. His old lines not great.

482
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: They typically can't run the ball a lick. He's been

483
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Speaker 1: under pressure forever. I think he's I don't know, the

484
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Speaker 1: eighth ninth tenth best quarterback in the NFL. I'm gonna

485
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with that, right. I mean, I think

486
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Speaker 1: you could say the Jaguars entry point is better because

487
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: anything after urban Meyer will be a positive. They'll be

488
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Speaker 1: patient with you. You have Trevor Lawrence, But I'm not

489
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that Trevor Lawrence is going to be

490
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Speaker 1: a top ten quarterback. I already know that. Derek carr

491
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Speaker 1: Is and they were rolling this year until they had

492
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Speaker 1: the Grooden drama, the Henry Ruggs accident, you know, getting

493
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Speaker 1: rid of our net. They just had a lot of

494
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Speaker 1: drama this year. I feel like, you get a good

495
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Speaker 1: coach in there, you stop the drama. I think the

496
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: Raiders could be a playoff team next year. I mean

497
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: they could be a playoff team this year still. Chris

498
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: Collinsworth brought something up on Sunday Night, and it's that

499
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: dirty secret that if you ask players would you rather

500
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Speaker 1: get hit low or get hit in the head, most

501
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: players would probably say hit me in the head. I

502
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: can lose a you know, I can be out for

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00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: a game as opposed to I can be out for

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Speaker 1: the season. Like Chris Godwin, if I ask him today, Hey,

505
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Speaker 1: would you rather get hit low or get hit high?

506
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Speaker 1: He's gonna say, I'll take the concussion here. The NFL

507
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,719
Speaker 1: doesn't want to hear this, or doesn't want us to

508
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: hear this, but players feel this way, like, Okay, I

509
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: got a concussion. If I get a torn acl, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on this? If I took you

511
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: back to when you're twenty six years of age and

512
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,719
Speaker 1: I said, hey, they can hit you low or they

513
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: gonna hit you up high, well, you know a couple

514
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Speaker 1: of things. First of all, it doesn't have to be

515
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: in either or proposition, right, I mean, you can hit

516
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Speaker 1: a guy high, but not be in the head. You

517
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: know you should the target should be above the knee

518
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Speaker 1: to the shoulder. I mean neither shoulder should be a

519
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: pretty big target range. But ross, let's be fair. This

520
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: is like the strike zone in baseball where they go, oh,

521
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: it's from the knees to the armpits. It's not, it's

522
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: it's it's far smaller than that. And these defensive players,

523
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Speaker 1: if you're playing it and it moves so fast, I

524
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: may accidentally hit you and you know, get fined or suspended.

525
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I hit you in the helmet, I get it I

526
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: can get tossed from the game. It's just they haven't

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00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: the playing fields not level for what a defensive player

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Speaker 1: is allowed to do well. And to your point, Dan,

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Speaker 1: if I played defense, I would definitely air on the

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Speaker 1: side of caution and I would go low. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't want the fine, I don't want the penalty. I

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Speaker 1: would go low. And to answer your question, because they've

533
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: actually changed this rule as of this year, but when

534
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: I was playing, you get out there on a screen

535
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: pass Dan, or you'd pull out to the outside and

536
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: there's a corner or a safety. Those guys would come

537
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: flying up and they would dive at your knees. That's

538
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: what they were taught because they can't go up high.

539
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: If they go up high, you're gonna just grab them

540
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: and throw them. So dbs used to go up my knees.

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Speaker 1: I hated that. I would much rather of them come

542
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: high at me. It hit me in the head. I

543
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: have a huge head. You guys know that I'd much

544
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Speaker 1: rather them hit me in the head than go low.

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Speaker 1: They've actually changed that rule that outside the tight end

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Speaker 1: box they can't go low anymore. And the dbs don't

547
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: really even know what to do if I watched a

548
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: flag get thrown this weekend where there was a five

549
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Speaker 1: foot ten defensive back and he had a six five

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Speaker 1: lineman and he couldn't do anything. He had to basically say,

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Speaker 1: go ahead and steam roll me. He couldn't. He went

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00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: low and he got flagged for that because there's no

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Speaker 1: other place and like, you can't go up top with

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00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: a lineman. No, no, I mean, that's just physics. That's

555
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: not gonna work. What those guys really have to do

556
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: is they gotta just try to make you miss. You know,

557
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: they got a jab inside, pop back outside. They can't

558
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: take you on at all. But they used to be

559
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: taught take the lineman down right there and create a pile.

560
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: Did you ever get knocked out? Never unconscious? And in

561
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: fact when I played, you know, I don't really think

562
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: we thought it was a concussion unless you were knocked unconscious.

563
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: I've seen multiple guys on the field a sleep like

564
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Speaker 1: a baby. At one guy in college at a night game,

565
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: and one time Drew Bledsoe we were playing at the

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Speaker 1: meadow Lands Dan he was laying on like the forty

567
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: two yard line like this, like like like a sleep

568
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Speaker 1: like a baby. And by the way, he might have

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Speaker 1: came back into that game. Now that I think about it,

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure just to tell you how different

571
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: it was, but I do know in hindsight several concussions

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Speaker 1: that I got. But back then it was just like

573
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: you kind of just saw stars and you're like, oh man,

574
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: that was crazy, but you just kept playing. You didn't

575
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: really know that that was a concussion and you should

576
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: say something and you should come out of the game.

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Speaker 1: Most important game for which team tonight Seahawks, Rams, Washington Eagles.

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Speaker 1: Out of those four, who has to win? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would say the Eagles. I would say the Eagles. You know,

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00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: if the Rams win, then they're right there with the Cardinals,

581
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Speaker 1: which is great. But if they lose, they're still going

582
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: to be the five seed in the NFC. Seattle's not

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Speaker 1: going to be able to get back into it. There's

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Speaker 1: too many teams with seven wins. Now for Washington, I

585
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: mean as of right now, We'll see what happens at

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00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: four PM, but as of right now, they have like

587
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Speaker 1: sixteen eighteen guys whatever it is on the COVID list.

588
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: Eagles have to win this game. I mean, the Eagles

589
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: are coming off of a bye, they're playing against the

590
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Speaker 1: team has a bunch of guys on the COVID list,

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Speaker 1: including their top two quarterbacks the Eagles. If they win,

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Speaker 1: then they're seven and seven right there in the playoff mix.

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Speaker 1: Eagles have to win tonight, There's there's no way around it.

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Speaker 1: Always great to catch up with you, and hopefully you

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Speaker 1: get a breather here next couple of days, and I

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Speaker 1: will on Christmas. Thank you, Dan, Yeah, Merry Christmas to you, buddy,

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Speaker 1: And thanks you guys. All right, that's Ross Tucker, host

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Speaker 1: of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. He works for CBS

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Speaker 1: Westwood One. Did the Browns Raiders last night. He's got

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Speaker 1: the Eagles pregame tonight against Washington. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us

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Speaker 1: podcast is called All Ball. We usually talk all basketball time,

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Speaker 1: Doug Gotlieb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts orherever you

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Speaker 1: going back to the Mothership. Steve Young, hald of famer, ESPN,

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Speaker 1: NFL analyst, three times Super Bowl champ. Paulie, do you

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Speaker 1: have the scouting report on Steve from the combine before

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Speaker 1: I bring him on? Yeah? Back in early eighties, Gil

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Speaker 1: Brandt was taking notes on Steve Young. He listed him

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Speaker 1: at six foot even and at six ft and one

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Speaker 1: half in two hundred five. The forty our dash she

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Speaker 1: had from his hand time was four point five five

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Speaker 1: seconds for a forty. Okay, it's bringing Steve Young. Does

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Speaker 1: that sound right? Steve four five five forty seems slow

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Speaker 1: to me? I was faster that in college. Gil Gil

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00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: had a slow watch. Let's be honest. You knew that.

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Speaker 1: And then six foot a half inch. I mean, look

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Speaker 1: at my football card, Dan, it said six two. I

628
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: mean six. If you want to know accuracy, look at

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Speaker 1: a football card. But I've been around you. You're not

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Speaker 1: six two, Steve. Football cards don't lie. You know football.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is football cards is when you're when

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Speaker 1: you're when you start out the league, they give you

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Speaker 1: a sheet, you fill it out and that's what they use.

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Speaker 1: So I wrote down six two because that's if you

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Speaker 1: ask me, am I six two? I would pass a

636
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Speaker 1: lightheaded at your test saying yes, I am six two.

637
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: But Gil Brandt of course thinks that he's gonna, you know,

638
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: shrink me down because I'm you know, I didn't go

639
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: to play for the Cowboys, So whatever did you want

640
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: to play for the Cowboys? Rogers talkback? Who's my hero? Yeah?

641
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean he was Roger. I mean my you know,

642
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: you know all the posters you have in your bedroom

643
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: and Roger was that the action picture of Roger. I

644
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: remember it. And the ball, uh he started to run

645
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: and the ball was out here and you could see

646
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: what I'm left to it. He was writing and his

647
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: hand and his fingers on the on the ball were

648
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: just you could see it perfectly. And I remember spending

649
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: hours I had the ball and I'd put my fingers

650
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: and I'd go, oh, right there, yeah, right there. But

651
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny about heroes. Dan because I remember

652
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, Roger's savak was super influential

653
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: to me. I mean I tried to talk like him.

654
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: I tried to run like him. I you know. And

655
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: and the thing is he didn't know me. And it's

656
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: like people say, oh, I'm not responsible for raising your

657
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: kids or I'm not responding. Well, I'm trying to pay

658
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: it forward for what Roger did for me him in

659
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: my whole life, just because I think that that's that's

660
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: my experience. So Roger was much more than a poster

661
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: on the wall. That was for sure. But did you

662
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: think about if let's say Dallas had the rights, could

663
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: have drafted you, Let's put it that way, would you

664
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: maybe my pass to the USFL. Yeah, it's possible. Yeah,

665
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean I I you know, when Cincinnati had the

666
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: first pick and Sam Weisch came out and told me

667
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: they're going to use me for it. And I had

668
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: John Hadel and Sid Gilman, John Don Klassman who had

669
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: just left the Rams in La and and and I

670
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: could go play right away in La. Gary Zimmerman, my

671
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: buddy that i'd met on the All Star Games, was

672
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna be my right tackle. He ended up being a

673
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Famer. There were so many guys

674
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: that were young and really good players. So I really

675
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: I kind of believe don Klossman and sid Gilman tell

676
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: me that he could teach me how to, you know,

677
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: play quarterback, and that was some big stuff and rather

678
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: than just go sit behind Ken Anderson or whatever they

679
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: were gonna do. I but if it was Dallas, yeah,

680
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that might have won the day. Is there

681
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: a bias against left handed quarterbacks? Yeah, there has to be, Dan,

682
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean just the numbers. I mean, there's

683
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: ten percent of the country is left handed, and zero

684
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: percent of quarterbacks in the NFL or left handed other

685
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: than now two showed up after five or six years

686
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: of nobody. Um, but what's the difference on the field, though, Steve?

687
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: The difference is an advantage. Everything in football is right handed.

688
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Every coach puts up the play right handed, every play

689
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: is run right handed. First. Um, right, everything is right handed.

690
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: So lefty I always felt like, you know, it was

691
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: it was like linebackers would you know they were You

692
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: could see that they were like, well, you know, they

693
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: weren't sure where you know. I was just a little

694
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: bit of an advantage, and I but I remember Mike

695
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: in college. Doug Scobel was my offensive coordinator at BYU

696
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: and a freshman and he didn't know my name. I

697
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: was like eighth string. He saw me like November of

698
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: my freshman year at the end of the season, right

699
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: ran into him and he said, hey, young and I

700
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, he knows my name. And he goes,

701
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, by the way, I don't coach lefties, and

702
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: I was like, well, so much for that. That was

703
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: That's not what I'd heard, and uh, but he was serious.

704
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: But he ended up going to San Diego State a

705
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: month later and Ted Tolner came in to run the offense,

706
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: and uh, and he would and I had I had

707
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: moved a defense because Lavelle owd there was a movie

708
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,919
Speaker 1: over there, because I couldn't coach lefties. Wait wait, wait,

709
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: and you're a defensive bag. For about for about two

710
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: weeks in January and winter meetings, Tom Holmel was the

711
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: defensive captain and he was teaching me how to back pedal.

712
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: And I and because they said, look, you're you're fast,

713
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: you're four or five five, Gilbert, Uh, you could you

714
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: could go tackle everybody. And so I was like, all right,

715
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: I guess I have no choice. And then Tolner came.

716
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: When I was I kept throwing the football because I

717
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: was loving learning how to throw it. Really, Jim McMahon

718
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: had shown me how to how to release the ball

719
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: and really put power on it. I never really learned

720
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: in high school. And then when I learned that, I

721
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: was like, I I just want to throw the football.

722
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I can. It's amazing how it feels and what I

723
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: could do. And I could put it right there, you know.

724
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: And ted Tulner said, why are you Why do you

725
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: move to defense? I go because I'm lefty? Ted Tolder,

726
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 1: what are you an idiot? What do you don't even go? No,

727
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: they told me I couldn't play a quarterback because I

728
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 1: was lefty, and he goes, that's stupid. He went into

729
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: solivelle and then next he said, look, I negotiated for springball.

730
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: For four weeks of spring ball. The first two weeks

731
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna play quarterback and and if that doesn't work out,

732
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: then you can go back to the defensive back. And

733
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: by the end of the two weeks, I was back,

734
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: and I'm Jimmy Mann, and there you haven't so lefties left,

735
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: but there is definite. There has to be dan bias

736
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: against lefties because it's just there's not a round. That's

737
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: just crazy. But I also wonder when you think of

738
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: a lefty, we normally don't think that they have great velocity.

739
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, it feels like they have touch. They have touch.

740
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: You know, Kenny Stabler had touch. No, I'm just saying, well,

741
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: you've got a sample size three you Michael Vick could

742
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: throw it. Michael Vick could throw it, Okay, I got

743
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: you as saying, um, I gotta I mean, look, I

744
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: understand it's like not a fast ball out there, but

745
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: for getting the job done. And I mean Joe Montana

746
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: even you know, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. I mean, there's

747
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: not a fastball in there right now, right So, I

748
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: don't know what you're looking for. The Jeff George, I'm not.

749
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm just a fad ahead of day. I just bias

750
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: as well. I see you've got the You're part of

751
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: the problem, You're not part of the solution. Wow, my apology,

752
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: My apologize. I'm sorry to all left handed quarterbacks out there.

753
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I apologize. You can see I'm not I'm not emotional

754
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: about I don't know, do you you toss the ball.

755
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: When's last time you actually played catcher through the ball?

756
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: Last night Justin Jefferson and Randy Moss. Well, I mean

757
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: like you missed me and Dance and Gritty. I don't

758
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: know what what you do? You watch sports? Dan? What?

759
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were the We're the pre

760
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: pregame show of record, I don't know why you would

761
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: miss that. Which show were you on? Oh you're on

762
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: that Fox show? Yeah, Monday Night, Monday, Monday Night and

763
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: Monday Night. Yes, I can't believe that. That was just disrespect.

764
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: No wonder you hate lefties? I can do. But you

765
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: know why? I know what Montana's doing? Ye? Yeah? Bright

766
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: back to in the corner, you had to come out

767
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: shooting with both guns. You're like, oh, I know what

768
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: could I do? Dogs got me in the corner? Now

769
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: where do I go? I just gotta I gotta fire

770
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: fired hards Like how close did Jim McMahon come to

771
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: getting tossed out of BYU? Not? I mean, I remember

772
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: Lavella was a masterful human being. He he he was

773
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: a he was a phenomenal human. He could he could

774
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: he could see the good in people. He could he

775
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: could work the system them to give people opportunities. And

776
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: Jim McMahon, he I remember him calling in Jim and saying, Jim, man,

777
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: come on, like, if you're gonna throw a party like that,

778
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 1: you gotta do it in Partship, can't You can't do that.

779
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: You can't do it in Pro Bowl, man, you gotta

780
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 1: go to partshit. And Jim's like, yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

781
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, And uh but he just Lavelle saw the

782
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: good and everybody. And Jim had a lot of good

783
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: he was He was a funny, good guy. He was crazy,

784
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: but he was a he was a he was a

785
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: good human and uh be what he was better for

786
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: having him around. So, uh but I did see some

787
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: things I've never seen ever since. By the way, people

788
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: always say, what's the wildest thing you've ever seen in

789
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: your life? Or where were you? Where were you guys,

790
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Like I was in Pro Bowl Utah, and what did

791
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: you see? Uh let's not uh, let's just leave it

792
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: that day that Jim McMahon throw some some crazy stuff.

793
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: So but you didn't go to the parties, did you.

794
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: I popped in. I popped in. I was invited, I

795
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: popped in. It always checked it out. I was checked

796
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: it out. I thought, holy yeah, did you ever You're

797
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: Deon talking about when he first got to the Cowboys

798
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: and Michael Michael Irvin was throwing a party in a

799
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: hotel suite and Dion shows up and he says, Mike,

800
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't do that stuff. I don't live like this,

801
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: and he and he turned around and walked out of

802
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: the hotel room. Dion, you know, Dion is a I

803
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: remember him joining the forty nine ers, and everyone was

804
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: worried about what kind of teammates Dion would be. And

805
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: because you know, no one knew him really well because

806
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: he'd been in Atlanta, and I knew he was a

807
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: phenomenal football player, but I'm not sure about a teammate.

808
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: And he walked in and he said, look, Steve, I

809
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: am a masterclass pr guy, So don't be fooled. I

810
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: know what I'm doing there, but don't ever, don't don't

811
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: pay attention, don't don't get involved in it. I'm going

812
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: to be the best teammate you ever had. And I

813
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: remember that's a heck of a statement, and it was true.

814
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: It was like, just don't pay attention to all this

815
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: stuff going on. I'm gonna take the blood in the

816
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: locker room. I got your back, I'm gonna go I'm

817
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: and he was. He was a phenomenal teammate, very underrated,

818
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 1: uh locker room guy he was. He was an amazing,

819
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: amazing football player and an amazing, amazing kind of athlete.

820
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not just athlete physically, like an emotional athlete,

821
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: like he could be you know, go go do the

822
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: uh Deon thing, and then he could he could you know,

823
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: he could do two things at once. He could be

824
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: a phenomenal, you know, teammate and he could be out

825
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: there doing his you know, kind of marketing Maven stuff.

826
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: But I wonder, though, with the emphasis on offense, if

827
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: if Dion is coming up now, is he a wide receiver? Well,

828
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: what about the kid he just he just got signed it.

829
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what he told him. You know, look,

830
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: I I the same kind of thing. I mean, Deon's

831
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: very influential and he's the kid's gonna play defensive back.

832
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: When it sounds like he's the great, one of the

833
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: great athletes of all time, why didn't he play receiver?

834
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: In fact, I funny you answer that question. Dan. Just

835
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: the other day I was asking my sod myself when

836
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 1: he when he signed the kid. Uh, I'm sorry, I

837
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: remember I can't remember his name, but Hunter. So he

838
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: goes to goes to Jackson State. I mean, I was

839
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: trying to think of how Deon sold him and I

840
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: could I could sit there, I could hear him selling him.

841
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I could hear how good he was, how good he

842
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: would be, and how he could tell him, you know,

843
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: all the things that get him to come to Jackson State.

844
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being the number one recruit going to

845
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: Georgia or Florida State or and they said, no, no, no, no,

846
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to Jackson State. Yeah, I mean that how

847
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: good you went on? All good? Dion is right there. Well,

848
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: it's it's really DSU. It's Dion Sanders University. He's he's

849
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: going to play for Dion and if Dion happens to

850
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: get another job, it feels like that's a package deal. Yeah,

851
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: but it's pretty cool what historically black college is, what

852
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: Dion's doing for those schools. Yeah, I mean it's not

853
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: just one school. It feels like Deon's you know, kind

854
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: of leading the way for ten schools, which is pretty

855
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: I guess I'll make my point for you as I

856
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: continue to talk about Dion, he's quite a quite a human. Um.

857
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,240
Speaker 1: You know, I was watching you break down justin fields

858
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: that he tries to do too much. Oh, now you're

859
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: gonna say you watch the show even though you don't

860
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: even know where. Okay, I see you're going. So I

861
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: did watch that. You did, You did break down justin fields, right,

862
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: and you said that he was trying too hard. Young

863
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: quarterbacks try too hard. What advice would you give justin field?

864
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: The advice I give any what I'll call dual threat

865
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that are good runners who can throw, they've got

866
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: they've got to graduate to throwers who can run. And

867
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: the job in the NFL is to throw the football

868
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 1: in the pocket. How long did it take you? It's

869
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: a process, but it's more of an I'm telling you,

870
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: sid Gilman, we go back to the USFL. One of

871
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 1: the best things he ever did was, you know, i'd

872
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: i'd run around and make plays and you know, run

873
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: for first downs. And he like, what the hell, what

874
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 1: do you do with you? No one knows where you're going,

875
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: no one knows what you're doing. No one stand in

876
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: there and throw the football. And I'm like, what do

877
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: you mean, Stanning, throw the football. I'm not gonna take

878
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: a sack, and you know I can go run around

879
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: and make something happen. What are you talking about it?

880
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: He goes, You don't understand. We call play in the huddle.

881
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: The play matters. Stuff matters. You got to get it

882
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: to get it the full, get the full, measure the play.

883
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: You leave too early. And so one time I ran

884
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: ran around and he's got to irritated. He goes, go

885
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: get a rope. Someone give me a rope. Someone got

886
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: a jump rope or something that was the rain around.

887
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: He goes, he got a rope. He stopped practice. He

888
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: tied my legs together. You know, it was more ceremonial,

889
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But he was like telling

890
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: me what I would want to tell Justin Fields, what

891
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: I would want to tell Michael Vick, which I did

892
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: tell Michael Vick. What I would tell anybody who could

893
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: run around and throw the football. You have to you

894
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: have to be like Mac Jones. Mac Jones is not

895
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: going anywhere. Mac Jones has to figure out a way

896
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: to be a phenomenal, sophisticated throw the football from the pocket.

897
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: And you have to be Mac Jones for some time

898
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: so that you can you know, I'm not saying Mac

899
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: Jones is gonna spectacular. I'm just saying you have to

900
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: be the guy that can't move. You have to you

901
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: have to tie your legs up, as you know, kind

902
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: of mentally, so that you actually are forced to sit

903
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: in there and figure out how to get the ball

904
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: out of the pocket, like out of your hand. And

905
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: I think once you start to learn that game and

906
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: you can run around, that's when the danger really comes.

907
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's when people, you know, I see the

908
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: young uh guys and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes and

909
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: and they're they're getting there and it's gonna you can

910
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: see how dangerous they are. And um, it was funny

911
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. This year. Really the challenge was the league,

912
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: as what happened to us with the West Coast Stoffins

913
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: in the early nineties. It was so far ahead of everybody.

914
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: Defenses finally said forget it, screw it, We're not we're

915
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: just gonna play zone. We're just gonna back up. We're

916
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: gonna give you everything short, but we're not going to

917
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: get beat with you throwing all over the place and

918
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: get people running around or we're spinning around while we're

919
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: not going to do that. We're gonna put twenty two

920
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: eyeballs on the quarterback and we're just gonna wait and

921
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: force you to be patient, force you to not make mistakes,

922
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 1: and we'll force you to go. You know, nine, ten, eleven,

923
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: twelve played drives. You can do it all day long,

924
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: but you got to show the patients. And that's what

925
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: the chief that's what having the Chiefs this year defense

926
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: has said, you know what's screw it. We're not Travis

927
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: Kelsey running all over the place to uh tyree kill

928
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: running d no more. Just back up and force you

929
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 1: to please, you know, be be you know human, Just

930
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: drop it off. And they struggled, Patrick struggle a little bit,

931
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: but they they spaced the challenge. Remember it was it

932
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: late October. They were losing games, or maybe it's a

933
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: middle October, you know, like who Chiefs, what's going on? Well,

934
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: the league said no more, and they had to adjust,

935
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,720
Speaker 1: and then they did, and now the league has no answer.

936
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,280
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs are better today, more dangerous today

937
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: than they've ever been, because they now have all the

938
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: arrows in the quiver that they needed defensively. Go well,

939
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: we can. We have no answer. Now I gotta start

940
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: watching this ESPN stuff. I thinks Steve is really breaking

941
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: some stuff down here. Could you out run Brady right now? Yes? Okay, yes,

942
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: Tom's a good man, a good friend. But Tom. What

943
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: I love about Tom well, I mean, obviously amazing and

944
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: so many things. How do you get started? But one

945
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: of the things I love is when he rarely does

946
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: throw interception a pick six. And Tom is super competitive,

947
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: as you know, like hype, I mean, white hot super competitive,

948
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: but his body turns to try to go clean up

949
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: his mess because he he means to right, and he

950
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: starts to run to do it, and he's like, oh,

951
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: why bother, nobody's that slow that I'll catch him? Forget that?

952
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 1: And I guess, I mean, if we can, I just

953
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: take one minute and tip my cap to the great

954
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, because not only has he done what he's done,

955
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: but he's done it from one spot, Like I didn't

956
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: have to do that. There's a lot of guys that

957
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, and that is it. I

958
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: mean Peyton Manahand to do it from one spot Dan

959
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: Marino had to do it from one spot, Um, that

960
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: is not I would not want to live that way.

961
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: I would playing the playing the playing the position and

962
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: not being able to get around a little bit. Man,

963
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: I just how do you. I just think it's amazing

964
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: what they've done. I want to let you plug what

965
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: you're doing. Uh, you're the chairman of the board of

966
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: Integrity and your gifting employees. Oh you're a good man. Yeah,

967
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: go ahead, so go ahead, give give the plug. No,

968
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it's funny they I have I've transitioned

969
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. Now, I've been in private equity for

970
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: longer than I played football. And one of our businesses

971
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: integrities insurance business and it's called Tech and Sure. And

972
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: what they've done is all that they sit in between

973
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: the carriers and the and the insurance agents with they

974
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: create products for senior living and it's really I mean

975
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: you think you say it's a business, and it's but

976
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: it's a good, cool business. And but not only that,

977
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: it's good people. And Brian Adams runs the business for us,

978
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: and he came to me a couple of years ago

979
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: and he said, Steve, I want to I want to

980
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: give equity to the employees. I want to make them

981
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: owners of this business. And I when he did it,

982
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, because i'd I'd watched the NFL

983
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: for years, Dan, and you can you know this because

984
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: you're older. You're old, You're old enough to remember. There

985
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: was days back in the eighties and nineties where like

986
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: players and owners were like miles apart. Nobody there was,

987
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 1: like I remember nineteen eighty seven when we went on strike.

988
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: I want to say it was the owner of the Giants.

989
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: Somebody said, well, don't they understand the players, we're the

990
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: owners and they're the chattel. And I remember thinking, I

991
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: went to law school, bro, I know what chat is,

992
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: and that's not cool. Like that that does not that

993
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: is not cool. But it was a guy like Eddie

994
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: de Bartelo who finally said, you know what, I want

995
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 1: you as my partner. I want you as a part

996
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: of my family. And then Robert Kraft and and Arthur

997
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: Blank and our guys started to own teams that were like, look,

998
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: I want to build a partnership with players, and in

999
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: doing that, I think the CBA finally kind of caught

1000
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: up to that in the early two thousands. And you

1001
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: want to know why the league is so great today,

1002
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: you can say all kinds of things. I say it

1003
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: is because owners finally gave essentially profit sharing to the players.

1004
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: So when Brian said that to me, I said, that's

1005
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: a great idea, because when people feel like they're owners,

1006
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 1: they they'll they'll do anything because they feel like they're

1007
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: they're actually a part of this. And so he did it,

1008
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: and that's he's I don't know if there's any insurance

1009
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: company in the world that does this, but he started.

1010
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: He gave a fifty million dollars out two years ago

1011
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: to get started on this program. And then we just

1012
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: finished another transaction with silver Lake. You gone Durban, the

1013
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: famous egon Durban and uh and and now those guys,

1014
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: those those employees, fifty five hundred employees now who had

1015
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: a stake in the business have now made one hundred

1016
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 1: and fifty hundred, twenty five million dollars still with their steak.

1017
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're still making and and and so yes,

1018
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: it's a great way to give people a chance to

1019
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: feel that sense of ownership, and it's also a great

1020
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: place for companies. And so I guess the point we

1021
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: came on the show, to be honest with you, Dan,

1022
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: is that people there's a lot of people that own businesses.

1023
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: I suggest highly suggest do you think about making employees

1024
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,399
Speaker 1: owners of your business and start to share? And that's

1025
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: a great It was a good example to me to

1026
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: be honest with you. So there's that's the story. And

1027
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate you. Give me a second to

1028
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: talk about them. It's great to talk to you. And

1029
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to start watching that football program that year.

1030
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 1: You're great, Daniel. I love being on with you. You

1031
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: asked me great questions. I could go on for an

1032
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: hour and laugh with you, and I appreciate it. And

1033
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: so anytime, my best of the family. How many kids now? Four?

1034
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: I remember you remember when you had your first and

1035
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: then I think you said, why didn't you tell me

1036
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,359
Speaker 1: what this was like? Yeah? See you see another thing

1037
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: you kid from me. I wish I had five or six.

1038
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I got you know, I

1039
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: started late, and I mean these kids are amazing. So

1040
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean they're teaching me more. I have a you know,

1041
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: a couple athletes and a couple of ones in music

1042
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: theater wants to be on Broadway. I mean, I was like,

1043
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: all right, you can sing, Michael, how do you you

1044
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: can sing? No one can sing? No one can sing.

1045
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: In my family for generations. I mean, you're new at

1046
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: the ancestory dot com and there's no singing jeans anywhere.

1047
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: There's no connection, but it can sing awesome. Well, hey,

1048
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: great to talk to you again. Thanks and Merry Christmas.

1049
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: Budding night,