1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this the 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It's Thursday. If 10 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: you're hearing this as it comes out, which means it 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: is time for our weekly listener Male segment, where we 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: hear from the best part of the show, you and 13 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: your fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to go to some 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: strange places. We've got some follow ups in the situation 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: ongoing in New Brunswick. We have We're we're gonna hear 16 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: from someone going under the handle Mr Tin Mouse, and 17 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: we're also going to investigate a local mystery. Not only 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: are we going to investigate this mystery, but I believe 19 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: it's fair to say we are going to solve it 20 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: to a degree. And this is maybe where we begin today. Guys, 21 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: Matt Noell, have you all heard of the Oculus Temple? No, 22 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: but it sounds spooky and cool and I'm excited to 23 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: hear about it. Oh. Yes, I have heard it. I've 24 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: seen it. I am in it right now. I'm pretty sure. 25 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: Yes to state I feel left out. Oh you'll, you'll, 26 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: you'll be there. You'll be there very soon, my friend. So, 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: I didn't mean that to sound as scriptic as it 28 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: perhaps did. So. Yeah, this has nothing to do with 29 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: the Oculus E R Console, which I'd love to hear 30 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: everybody's thoughts on that. More on that in a second, because, 31 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: as you know, I have some reservations about it. But 32 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: let's start with this voicemail from Anonymous. Hey, there, guys, 33 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: a long time listener. You can use my voice on 34 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: the podcast if you want to. So, I'm listening to 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: today's most recent listener mail, and uh, honestly, there's been 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: something I've been wanting to call you guys about for 37 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: a long time. It's called the the Oculus Temple. It's 38 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: in Damascus, Oregon. Um. I've been there myself, but I 39 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: don't want to sound biased about it. I would love 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: it if you guys would do some research and talk 41 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: about it on the pod. Hopefully, uh, hopefully you guys do. 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: If not, that's fine. I have a great rest of 43 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: your day. Love the show and can't wait to hear 44 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: more episodes. Okay, I love this sort of stuff, Thank 45 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: you so much. Full disclosure, this caller did use their name. However, 46 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: we did not get permission to use their names, so 47 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: we're airing on the side of safety there. That's just 48 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: that's just the general policy we have. First things first, 49 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: I had never heard about this. This reminds me of 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: the Steelcase pyramid. This reminds me of our earlier conversation 51 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: about that mysterious church's chicken. You guys remember that one. Yeah, 52 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't ring a bell from me. Mysterious church's chicken. Yes, yeah, 53 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: the one that was and then wasn't all of a sudden, 54 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: And yes, there was the whole thing, a spooky church's chicken. Well, 55 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: it's like a chicken spoiler sounds spoiler for the excellent 56 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: television show Fringe. Spoiler alert three to one. Maybe that 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: church's chicken was from a different universe just to the 58 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: left of ours. But here's the deal. I'm pretty sure 59 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: George sent us that message. I'm pretty sure So here's 60 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: the deal. If you go to Damascus, Oregon, you're if 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: you don't live in the area, it's quite possible that 62 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: you've never heard of this place. It's it's pretty small, 63 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: the populations like ten thousand, eleven thousand and change, and 64 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: it is home to a very very strange building. Is 65 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: something that's been like, you know, we asked about this 66 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 1: all the time. What are the local legends in your 67 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: neck of the Global Woods. This one is often called 68 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: the Temple of Oculus Anubis, and it's it's named after 69 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: the Egyptian god of embalming, which is already kind of 70 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: a flex. But the name itself is a little misleading. 71 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: No one knows whether it's actually a temple. UH shout 72 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: out to Shout out to reporting on outfits like UH 73 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: drive vibin dot com with Kyle and Olivia Brady. They 74 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: said something I quite enjoyed where they pointed out that 75 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: if you're looking for Damascus, Oregon, you are finding it 76 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: sort of in the middle of two other towns, Happy 77 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Valley and Boring. There are people who live in a 78 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: town called Boring. I would love to hear what that's like. 79 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: It's right next to Weed California right now, and it's not. Yes, 80 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: and it's not that far from Portland's right right right? 81 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: Is it really next to Weed California? No, I don't 82 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: mean weed is an upstate. That weed is in northern California, 83 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. So it could it could be. 84 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: It could be. It could be. And you know, if 85 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: you think about the size of the universe, then everything 86 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: on Earth is right next to everything else. But you know, man, 87 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: you always put it a positive spin on things. I love. Thanks, man, 88 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: Let's try to put a positive spin on this. So 89 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: if you are in Damascus, Oregon, you are going to 90 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: share about this place. People call it a temple, but 91 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: nobody really knows if it's a temple. They know that 92 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: there is a large front gate with some ancient gold 93 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: symbols on it, and there is also visible from the room, 94 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: visible from outside the property. There's a statue of the 95 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Egyptian goddess Segment, who is often depicted as a lioness. 96 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: You'll also see identical stone pyramids. This became a subject 97 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: of a lot of speculation, especially especially in the online 98 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: age of independent digging for mysteries. A lot of the 99 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: stuff people said about it made me think it was 100 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: pure speculation, you know what I mean, Like maybe someone 101 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: visited the town, they saw the gates, they had pre 102 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: existing opinions about Egyptian folklore and religion and mythology, and 103 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: then they just sort of styled on it, which is 104 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: how how many conspiracy theories work. That's why it's one 105 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: of the most amazing forms of new folklore. That's also 106 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: why you could call it a very American type of art, 107 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: which I also read somewhere. Anyhow, there is a little 108 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: bit of a i would say credible investigation into this 109 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: anonymous and it hinges on the story of an eye doctor, 110 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: a guy named Dr Dean Elton Neil, and his son 111 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Curtis Neil. This was one of the only things 112 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: that we could find reported in an actual paper rather 113 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: than you know, just like creepy pasta on Facebook or 114 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: people making weird guesses. So here's the deal with the 115 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: Neil family. There were a lot of articles that came 116 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: out about this missteve rearous property, and I want to 117 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: shout out a place called criminal Vocal dot media. You 118 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: can find it on by Keats Ross. Keats Ross spent 119 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot of time figuring out what actually is going 120 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: on here, and back in two sixteen they publish an 121 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: article called the Temple of Oculus Anibus solved and in 122 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: this I don't know if this will be disappointing to 123 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: some people or if it will be um kind of reassuring, 124 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: but most of the crazy ideas are pretty easily debunked. 125 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: There's not a bunch of cannibals in this small town 126 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: eating people in some like Egyptian themed house party. There's not, 127 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 1: I know, I know, But there's also not some kind 128 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: of see as far as we know, there's not some 129 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: kind of like secretive theatrical Illuminati eyes wide shot Kubrick 130 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: esque society a d frolicking out there. But there is 131 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: this family and it appears that they just really like 132 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: Egyptian decor. We're gonna speculate on this bit and respectful way. 133 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: The the thing is there, there was actually conspiracy here 134 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: and it was real. Uh that place I mentioned earlier 135 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: when I said a newspaper media outlet published about this. 136 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: Oregon Live connected the dots when they ran a piece 137 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: that read Iclinic manager convicted in huge healthcare fraud, puppet 138 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: of father or partner in crime. That's referring to the Sun. 139 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: Anthony Curtis Neil. He was prosecuted for health insurance fraud 140 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: through the Neil family uptometry business, and that was located 141 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: up the way in Gresham, Oregon. He had embezzled this 142 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: is the Sun about two point five million dollars over 143 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: the course of decades. And the question that prosecutor supposed 144 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: was whether he was a rogue actor on his own 145 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: or whether this was the work of his father, like 146 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: his dad told him to do it, using him as 147 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: a proxy. And a lot of the money that they 148 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: embezzled went to build this compound, which was as of uh, 149 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: several years ago, it was still unfinished. And I just 150 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: thought it's interesting because it's a really big place. It's 151 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: a thirty five thousand square foot house, and it was 152 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: built for the son apparently to live next door to 153 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: his father. And they had tunnels on this compound that 154 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: connected the son and father's house. Uh. They also had, 155 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: like of course those weird statues. They had a hell 156 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: of pad at a tennis court, because why not. But 157 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: can't you also this is my question, it's just the 158 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: design question. Can't you also just have a helipad that 159 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: can turn into a tennis court when you put up 160 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: a net. I think it's an unnecessary flex to have 161 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: both of those. It does feel that way theoretically. Yeah, um, 162 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: but yeah, there are some videos you can find online 163 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: of people who have broken onto the property and taken 164 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: footage of this place. And when when Ben says thirty 165 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: five thousand square foot house, he means it it's there. 166 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: It's completely unfinished, but there. It's It's giant. It looks 167 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: like cavernous rooms that almost feels like, um, it was 168 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: going to be a cathedral of some sort eventually, but 169 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: made out of stone and metal um rather than I 170 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't even know how to describe it. 171 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: It's creepy looking. And there's also weird footage of those 172 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: purported tunnels that you described, Ben. Yeah, yeah, And the 173 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: credible research we found seems to indicate that those tunnels 174 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: are part and parcel of the thing, but we haven't. Matt, 175 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: You're absolutely correct. There's a series of pretty great urban 176 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: exploration videos from people who have broken in, but we 177 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: we still are very scarce on facts, which is why 178 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: I think Anonymous wrote to us an Anonymous let us know. 179 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: By the way, if you are the source of some 180 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: of those videos. So here's the problem with this story. 181 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: This becomes a true crime story because the Neil family 182 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: at divisions in the ranks, and the son, Anthony Neil, 183 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: had a lawyer who was defending him in the case 184 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: regarding this embezzlement, and Anthony Neil's attorney said that first 185 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: Neil is on the autism spectrum and that he had 186 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: been terrorized by his father, and that his father had 187 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: done awful, unclean things like repeatedly assaulted Anthony's mother when 188 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: she was alive. That Anthony had been himself assaulted by 189 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: a family acquaintance. The father knew of this and didn't 190 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: do anything to protect his kid because he was worried 191 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: it would tarnish his professional reputation. Uh. Yeah, he also 192 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: was forcibly restraining people. Uh. The problem is that there 193 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: these aren't just wild unfounded claims on the son's spot, 194 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: because there is a nineteen seven restraining order that the uh, 195 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: the wife had taken out against Dr Neil. This guy, 196 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: Neil the elder, died in twenty He had never gone 197 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: to court, never had any consequences for these alleged crimes 198 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: financial or the violent crimes you just described. However, the 199 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: judge in the son's case did not by these arguments, 200 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: or at least did not think they absolved him of 201 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: criminal activity. So he was sentenced four years ago with 202 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: a year in federal prison, and then he had to 203 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: pay millions of dollars to insurance agencies, to the I 204 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: R s and so on. The judge said, quote, you 205 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: are not dumb. You were certainly under the thumb of 206 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: your father, but you knew right from wrong, so you 207 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: do have culpability. Also, this was stood up. The judge 208 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: said that the father, Dr. Neil, was quote about as 209 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: evil a person as you can imagine, especially involving his 210 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: disabled son. So this thing does have a real and 211 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: disturbing story behind it. The building still stands, but there's 212 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: not public access to it at this point. I'm, you know, 213 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: follow up. Probably I'm on my own to see what 214 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: it's like now. But if you are listening and you 215 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: are located in or around Damascus, Oregon, we would love 216 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: to hear your take. Have you been on the property. 217 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: We will try to preserve your anonymity, of course, what 218 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: did you find? And the thing that sticks with me 219 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: why the Egyptian decor there has to be more to 220 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: this story. Let us know if you can help us 221 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: connect the dots std w y t K conspiracy at 222 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: I heeart radio dot com. We're gonna pause for a 223 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor and then we'll be back traveling 224 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: to New Brunswick. And we're back with something of an update. Um. 225 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: Everyone might remember that we recently on a strange news episode, 226 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: mad I believe, brought to us a story about a 227 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: mysterious ailment plaguing some citizens of New Brunswick and the 228 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: Province of New Brunswick. I believe that's they call it 229 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: there in Canadian terms. And we got an email from 230 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Lady Pharaoh. I think it's Pharaoh. F E r o X. 231 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Do you guys know about a game called Arc? I 232 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: don't know about Arc. Apparently this is a reference to 233 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: that game. I'm sure if it's a board game or 234 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: some sort of M m O RPG, but I'm not familiar. 235 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: But I think it's pretty maybe for rocks as f 236 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: r o X. So it's I believe it's m m 237 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: O and I believe that's one that our buddy Dan 238 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: Harmon played for a bit. Okay, okay, I'll have to 239 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: check it out. I'm always in need for a new 240 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: time sock um not but I I need you know, 241 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: Mad it's funny uh not the dear list too too 242 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: much right away, but I've been really considering getting into 243 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: magic the Gathering Arena by buddy Matt Riddle, friend of 244 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: the show. Are all of our buddies. Matt Riddle is 245 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: a big, big player in that space, and I know 246 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: you are too, So I actually told him about that, 247 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: so he might hit you up, but we're oh there 248 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: you go boom uh So. Lady Faerrox had this to 249 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: say concerning the mysterious disease directly from the perspective of 250 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: She described herself as a concerned New Brunswicker high std 251 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: W I t K crew code named Lady Ferrox. Here 252 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: shout out to the arc players, l O L. I 253 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: was listening to your recent Strange news episode about the 254 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: mysterious neurodegenerative disease happening in New Brunswick and was very 255 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: surprised to hear my home province mentioned This is something 256 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: I had heard about briefly last year, but I had 257 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: not heard the possible lobster angle. Oh, the infamous lobster angle. 258 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: Uh and that really got my wheels turning. First off, 259 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: in that study seems high to me. Um, even as 260 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: a local, I would imagine that more people along the 261 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: coast eat lobster than inland. But I would never guess 262 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: nine of the whole area's population eats lobster on even 263 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: a weekly bay ass. But I would actually guess that 264 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: the older the people you surveyed, the higher the percentage 265 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: would get. This made me wonder what differences are there 266 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: between a regular diagnosis of dementia and the mystery disease 267 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: if the person is old enough to be naturally suffering 268 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: from dementia more specifically Louis body dementia, which has symptoms 269 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: pretty much exactly like what they're describing, Uh, impairing of 270 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: movement and thinking abilities and can even cause hallucinations. I'm 271 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: not mistaken, guys. I believe that's what Robin Williams had 272 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: was suffering from. Correct. Yeah, which it really it's almost 273 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: like a body dysmorphic kind of like a component to 274 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: it as well. It's very very scary and not nearly 275 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: enough known about it. UM. What causes its specifically? You know, 276 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: to from just regular dementia. UM. The letter goes on 277 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm bringing up Louis body dementia specifically because there are 278 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: two people I know who have died of this in 279 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: the last few months alone. How do we know if 280 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,719 Speaker 1: it is something that is naturally occurring in people's bodies 281 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 1: versus an environmental factor if they won't let scientists look 282 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: for what caused it in those identified cases. I tried 283 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: looking for stats on people being diagnosed with dementia and 284 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,959 Speaker 1: our province over the last years or months, but so 285 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: far I haven't found any. Um And you know, and 286 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: this is a small area relatively, so it shouldn't be 287 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: that hard to get this kind of data. Um. That 288 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: was me. Uh, the fact that our provincial government is 289 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: not allowing a deeper look into this, sadly doesn't surprise 290 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: me at all. If you just take a quick peek 291 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: at these stats can websites on causes of death per province. 292 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: In the number of deaths in New Brunswick's Quote Information 293 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: Unavailable section grows at an alarming rate as the year 294 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: goes on, from fifteen in January to five ninety in August. 295 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: And no, we aren't the only province that seems to 296 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: have that trend. But it doesn't instill confidence in thinking 297 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: we were being given all the facts. I'm sure much 298 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: of that is COVID, because our COVID death stayed at 299 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: a nice even zero throughout those months. But it's shows 300 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: that what Ben said is likely correct, that there are 301 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: many more unseen roaches in our kitchen that our government 302 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: doesn't want us to know about. Wow, lots unpacked there. 303 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a big part Matt of the 304 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: story was the lack of transparency around this, right. Yeah. 305 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: Much of the stories about attempting to get a government 306 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: body to investigate it further and you know, to take 307 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: further steps on checking out specific victims. There were a 308 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: couple of families that were quoted in one of the 309 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: articles that they were attempting to have their loved one 310 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: even though they had passed away. Uh, tested for specific things, 311 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: to find out more information to see if this was 312 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: in some way connected to other potential victims. Support of 313 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: this disease, Yeah, yeah, and uh we we postulated that 314 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: the lobster angle was potent, you know, potentially had some 315 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: kind of economic ties with New Brunswick in that entire 316 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: region of North America, if it would have an effect 317 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: on that on the on the fishing business and or 318 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: lobstering the crabbing business. What do you lobster? A lobbying 319 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: different yeah, Ida, but also involves putting things in too true, 320 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: that's too true, too right, as they say in the UK. Yeah, 321 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: this is this is a big deal because one of 322 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: the questions that we posed for that that angle or 323 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: that speculation is why why this is not being reported 324 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: in like eastern Maine, where there are a ton of 325 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: fisheries and lobster outfits. The questions remain unanswered from the 326 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 1: main unanswered imagine main. But the issue here I think 327 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: is that this also encourages further distrust in the Canadian government, 328 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: not just under regional level, but on a federal level. 329 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: Like something as simple as we investigated. We did our 330 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: due diligence and we didn't find anything would go a 331 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: long way to reassuring people. But this is an to 332 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: be clear, everything, everything I'm about to say is true 333 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: and none of it should be taken as a defense 334 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: of the US, which has its own walk in closet 335 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: overflowing with skeletons. Canada, as we found on this show, 336 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: as a government, has historically had a very tough time 337 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: acknowledging uncomfortable facts like the residents schools, or like the 338 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: Highway of Tears. So if you are familiar with those 339 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: sorts of precedents, it's completely understandable to think that there 340 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: may be a cover up or stone walling going on. 341 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: But we have not we have not heard an official 342 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: statement from someone in in the government saying anything really, 343 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: you know, which to me is is distressing. That's definitely 344 00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: shooting yourself in the foot or the claw or the hail. 345 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: But but I think that I think that's a big 346 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: piece of this correct me if I'm wrong. Any anybody 347 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: listening out there that maybe just listen to this the 348 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: previous episode, I believe one of the big pushes was 349 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 1: to get an independent panel of experts to look at 350 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 1: this thing and investigate it, um maybe in conjunction with 351 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: a government investigation, which feels like the best way to 352 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: do it. And also, just keep in mind, we're still 353 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: talking about I think around fifty individuals who have been 354 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: afflicted by this. Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know 355 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: if it's changed since we've recorded it, but I'm assuming 356 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: it's still around that number. So it shouldn't be that 357 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: alarming to everyone. Living in New Brunswick. The only problem 358 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: is it could be something associated with you know, the 359 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: diet of people who live in that area, which would 360 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: be very troubling. Yeah, what do you make of the 361 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: whole you know, stats angle of it all. Is it 362 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: a matter of like truly cover up, is it point 363 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: to that or is it just a matter of a 364 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: small area that is understaffed and that often times, I 365 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: mean there's lag in this kind of reporting. Yeah, I 366 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: mean it's a good question. I think Lady Ferrox or 367 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: Farrow or whatever it is, I just don't know, Ark, 368 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: I've never played it. Um, I think they got it 369 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: right when they're saying many of these unidentified causes do 370 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: point back to COVID and so it's undetermined whether or 371 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: not COVID was the major factor and a death or 372 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: something else in COVID related. I bet that has a 373 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: lot to do with the that stat you're talking about. Yeah, 374 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: COVID deaths at zero that stand out to anybody else 375 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: in the email. There's also, um, you know those cases 376 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: that we're referencing, we're we're using that number because that's 377 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: what was confirmed by New Brunswick Public Health. But as 378 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: as you know, Lady Farrow or Lady Fairrox Uh that 379 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,639 Speaker 1: the roach thing holds true. And I'm glad that point 380 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: stayed with you. There are clearly, at least according to 381 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: the New York Post, there are clear really more suspected cases. Uh. 382 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: And one anonymous source said that it could be as 383 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: many as a hundred and fifty. It was interesting. I 384 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: don't remember whether we mentioned this, but back in October 385 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one, UH, pathologists believe that they had 386 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: identified the cause of at least eight of those quote 387 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: unquote mystery brain disease deaths, and that was Dr Jarard 388 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: Jansen at the University of Ottawa. Yeah, they believe they 389 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: had confirmed eight of them. And they were unrelated, didn't 390 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: have anything, you know, to do with each other. They 391 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: were independent. The big questions came in when individual caregivers 392 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: of people who were suffering from whatever neurological disease it was, 393 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: began showing the same symptoms or worse symptoms than the 394 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: people they were caring for, and many of them were 395 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: younger individuals. Yeah, and the and that's just statistically that's 396 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: pretty unusual. Also to be leer the pathologists. Once he 397 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: claimed he had identify these eight deaths or the cause 398 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: of these eight deaths. Uh. The families didn't all agree 399 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: with his conclusions. I think especially one one victim was 400 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: said to have died due to complications from Alzheimer's and 401 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: the family was astonished and they did not disagree. And 402 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: you know, there's still they're like whistleblowers active on this, 403 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 1: sources that want to be anonymous. We talked a little 404 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: bit about the possible middle factors, but this is an 405 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: ongoing case. Wasn't the whistleblower from like a big health 406 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: um agency or I mean, it wasn't like any but 407 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: it was one of the largest, Yeah, it was. It 408 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: was a very large healthcare provider. If I'm not mistaken, 409 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: they're they're in Canada. So I don't know, it's something 410 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. UM. I don't know that 411 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: there's been any big follow up in the media. So 412 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: thank you Lady Frox for the inside scoop from on 413 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: the ground. So I think there's something that's very intriguing 414 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: to all of us. And I'll have to see where 415 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 1: the lobster angle takes us or um. You know, this 416 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: Louis body syndrome is also very interesting and the idea 417 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: that the symptoms are very similar and the disparity between 418 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: the reporting in terms of the age. So I do 419 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: think there's something to this great theory. Let's take a 420 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: quick break and then we'll be back with another piece 421 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: of mail or correspondence or what have you from you 422 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: the public. And we're back, and we were immediately jumping 423 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,919 Speaker 1: over to a call we received from Mr tin Mouse. 424 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: Here we go. This is my quick story. So I 425 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: went to a wedding a few weeks ago. I'm a 426 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: mat a guy whose father had passed away ten years ago, 427 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: and he worked in the c I A and he 428 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: told me that my dad was a c I A 429 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: message drop So there was somebody that needed the past 430 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: messages to his dad. They dropped him off with my dad, 431 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: and my dad had clearance enough two received the messages. 432 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: And so I looked at my dad's Korean War records 433 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: and one of the main one of the things listed 434 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: for his unit was psychological warfare. So there's a lot 435 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 1: of stories about this, but my dad never once mentioned 436 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: this to me, And it was quite the shock that 437 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: here I am related to somebody who was actually either 438 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 1: in the CIA or part of the CIA. But he 439 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: was so clandestined that I never even knew about it. 440 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: And he passed away years ago. So if they don't 441 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: want you to know, they will make sure you don't know, 442 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: even if it's your dad. Just think about that, Thanks, bye, 443 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: Just think about that, Okay, Mr tin Mouse, I'm gonna 444 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: think about that for a long time. Wow. Just the 445 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: concept of finding something out about, you know, a loved 446 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: one in this case, a parent, a child, a spouse, 447 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: something like that that you never knew until after they're passing, 448 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: and especially finding out something like they were involved in 449 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: intelligence work with the old agency. That's intense. Uh. And 450 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: to find out through a third party, like a random 451 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 1: guy that didn't even know or maybe maybe they have 452 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: to go to a wedding, which is like the worst, 453 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: but at least you you met someone interesting. And one 454 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: thing I think is fascinating here is that Tin Mouse, 455 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: it does not sound as if the person you spoke 456 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: with was able to like provide their own supporting evidence 457 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: other than their word. UH. And psychological war fair or 458 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: a psy op being listed does not necessarily mean that 459 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: someone is UH in the trade. But it sounds like 460 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: ten Mouse is pretty convinced here, and it's not out 461 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: of the realm of possibility. You know, people, people all 462 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: live a thousand different lives in the course of their 463 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: own biological life, and people in general like to be 464 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: good at what they do. So if part of being 465 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: good at what you do is not telling people what 466 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: you do, then you're gonna You're gonna strive for that. 467 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: And the CIA vetting process is pretty intense, so they 468 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: weed out people who would be where they do their 469 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: best to try to, like weed out people who would 470 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: have conflicts of interest or be attention seekers, you know 471 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: what I mean, you don't want Like, if you want 472 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: a good asset or operative, whether long term or short term, 473 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: you're looking for someone who is easy to control, who 474 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: is predictable in their actions and really unassuming. That's one 475 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: of the big things you want. Like we talked in 476 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: the past about how James Bond is a hilariously bad, 477 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: just terrible spy, but a lot of the folks, like 478 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: the Americans, does a great job of this. In the 479 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: realm of fiction. Those are two people who are so 480 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: deep cover that not even their kids know that they're 481 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: working for Russia, and they purposely I think they run 482 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: a travel agency, but they purposely try not to be 483 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: too showy, They try not to be too extroverted. They 484 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: are aiming to be the kind of people that you 485 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: would not think about again the moment they leave the root, 486 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: and that's sort of the art. That's the most important 487 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: skill to have. It reminds me of a little bit 488 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: of Black Widow, the Marvel movie, and the way that 489 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 1: family kind of was embedded and the children barely knew 490 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: what was going on until it was time to kind 491 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: of scoot. Yeah. So I was intrigued by this guy's 492 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: and I gave a call back to Mr tin Mouse 493 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 1: and spoke of him for a little bit. And I've 494 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: got some more information that he's cleared me to share 495 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: with you all. So let's go over some of this um. 496 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: He said he did some investigating into his father's time 497 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: during the Korean War. He was in the Air Force 498 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: and he was assigned to a unit this I don't 499 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: know how to say this correctly. Maybe you guys can 500 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: help me out with it. It's the six sixty seven 501 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: Air Base Group, so six seven th Air Base Group. 502 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: You can find it on Wikipedia. He found it in 503 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: a couple of places, and he's got the insignia and 504 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: the badge from his father, and it confirms that he 505 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: was a part of this group. They it's really interesting. 506 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: They did some weird stuff. We're talking about psychological warfare here. 507 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: It's true. They did all kinds of things. They're leaflet drops, 508 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: h cycle, logical warfare, voice missions, which is again there's 509 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: a Wikipedia entry, so I do I cannot confirm that, 510 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: like what that means. I don't know what a voice 511 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: mission would be. Besides, I'm assuming it just means they 512 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: were broadcasting messages in Korean while in their the air Force, 513 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: so they're probably flying SEE seven and others and other airplanes. 514 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: But it's some fascinating stuff. You can read a little 515 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,200 Speaker 1: bit more about it if you're interested. But for Mr 516 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: Tin Mouse, he was more interested in the concept that 517 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: his father never once mentioned this other guy. He never 518 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: mentioned his work with the agency. He never mentioned anything 519 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: that would make him suspect in any way that his 520 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: father was doing any you know, message dropping or any 521 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: work like this. So he described his dad. He said 522 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: that his father was interested in dentistry, and he was 523 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: going to dental school before he left for Korea and 524 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: before he was deployed, and when he came back. Mr 525 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: Tin Mouse said his father never pursued dentistry again. He 526 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: was into metal detecting. He had all kinds of rings 527 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: and other things in this collection that he had of 528 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: the you know, of the items he'd found while metal detecting. 529 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: And there was this one specific gold ring in his collection. 530 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 1: And I believe Mr tin Mouse. You have to correct 531 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong here, But what happened, my notes 532 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: is that one of those rings that was in his 533 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: collection was made of dental gold. It was melted down 534 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 1: like fillings and another goal that would be used for 535 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: work on the mouth. And if you like, think about 536 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: his interest in dentistry, think about his maybe connection with 537 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: c I A. I don't know about you, guys, but 538 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: it took my mind to wonder if he was maybe 539 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: involved in interrogation in some way, um, which is maybe 540 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: really dark, maybe not true at all, but it's where 541 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:57,240 Speaker 1: Mr tin Mouse's mind went as well. I've got something 542 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: that maybe I think it's important. No, but it's a 543 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: personal note that we need to communicate to you, ten Mouse. 544 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: Just because your dad never mentioned it, don't take that 545 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: as any kind of like remark on your relationship with 546 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: your father. If anything, he was just trying to be protective, 547 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: right and to maintain sort of a firebreak between his 548 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: personal life and the things he really cared about and 549 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: the things that he did doubtlessly from his perspective in 550 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: service of his country. A lot of folks don't know this, 551 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: but North Korean forces got close to winning the Korean 552 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: War for a time. It was not near as like 553 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 1: simplified and sanitized as a lot of public school textbooks 554 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: want people to believe, even if they mentioned the Korean War, 555 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: which they often do not uh And this this outfit 556 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,760 Speaker 1: it was with We do know and has been publicly 557 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: acknowledged by Uncle Sam that the Air Force at this 558 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: time was facilitating at the very least guerilla operations during 559 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: the war. This means they were dropping in partisan or 560 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: proxy forces. They were conducting intelligence gathering activities, and to 561 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,320 Speaker 1: be fair, intelligence gathering activities is such an umbrella term 562 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: it could it's like saying sandwich, because there are hundreds 563 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: of different types of sandwiches, right, millions, thousands at least, 564 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: And this means that intelligence gathering can encompass anything from 565 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: a low altitude cover of night fly over to try 566 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: to get a sense of the enemy forces. But it 567 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: can also include things like interrogation. At this point, we 568 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: just don't know, and for a long time, conceivably for 569 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: for the future, the U s. Public is not going 570 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: to know the full extent of how the sausage was 571 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 1: made there. Yeah, and uh, sons and daughters may not 572 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: know the full extended what their dads did there, as 573 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: was shown by our caller. UM. So yeah, I don't know, guys. 574 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: This is just a really fascinating thing to me. I 575 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: haven't explored the Korean War in the same way I 576 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: have some of the other major conflicts in the US 577 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: has been involved in, And I feel like it's going 578 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 1: to be worth my time and I should look into it. 579 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: You might enjoy if if you want to learn more 580 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: about this, you might enjoy an article by the National 581 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: Interest written by Michael Pett It's called Yes, North Korea 582 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: could have won the Korean War, And this one is 583 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: fairly recent. This came out in Of course, the National 584 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,720 Speaker 1: Interest has its own angle on things, so be aware 585 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: of that when you're reading it. But if you have 586 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 1: an interest in this, and we have some people in 587 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: the audience today who may have been alive during that time, 588 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: who were seeing the fallout the aftermath of this war, 589 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: which has not ended, by the way, it's had a ceasefire. 590 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: There's still lead early beefy um. If you if you 591 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: want to learn more about this, you might be surprised 592 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: by how much attention historians put on the long tail 593 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 1: consequences of this, the effects of it. Like one of 594 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: the weirdest things about a war that never ends is 595 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,080 Speaker 1: the demilitarized zone between the DPRK and the r o 596 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:26,839 Speaker 1: K North Korean South Korea is tremendously bio diverse. It's 597 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 1: nuts because people don't go there, even with the land mines. 598 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: It's a better deal for the animals. And a lot 599 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: of the actually a lot of the propaganda from the 600 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: southern side is about that, about how great the d 601 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: m Z is for biodiversity. Nice silver lining. Alright, well, 602 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: and again with the silver line today. Yeah, yeah, we 603 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,439 Speaker 1: did it. We did We did do it bat and 604 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: we couldn't do it without the help of our fellow 605 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,720 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists. 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