WEBVTT - Hot Secrets with Ilana Glazer

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Happy New Year, Catherine, Happy New Year, Chelsea. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the new year, you guys. It's the new year. Is

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, are we allowed to like look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>this new year if like we had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>kirkfuff the last couple of years when we were like twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna be so exciting. I saw something on Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>where I saw somebody was saying like, walk into two

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<v Speaker 1>with your eyes open and don't touch anything that you see,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're walking into an antique store. And I was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's uh apropos or apt I should say. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>is a new year. It's an exciting time to be alive.

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<v Speaker 1>It can't be fucking like last year. That that much

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<v Speaker 1>we know for sure. So there are vaccines. Yes, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an omicron variant spreading, but there are vaccines people, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're available to you. They are non discriminatory. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get a vaccine. So if you can get one, do

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<v Speaker 1>it please. That's amazing. And are you based in Whistler

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<v Speaker 1>now you're just like hanging out skiing right now? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I um hanging out skiing and I am basing myself

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<v Speaker 1>out of Whistler so I can catch my breath from

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<v Speaker 1>performing every weekend and I have a lighter schedule and

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<v Speaker 1>I am excited. Yeah, I'm excited to get the party started,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, the skiing party. That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest for today you know her from Broad City

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<v Speaker 1>and her stand up special The Planet Is Burning, which

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<v Speaker 1>is available on Amazon, and from her voter empowerment work

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<v Speaker 1>with her organization Generator, which is how she and I

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<v Speaker 1>really got together. Actually, she is also the star, the

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<v Speaker 1>creator and star a False Positive, which is a movie

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<v Speaker 1>on Hulu. It is a thriller horror about childbirth, and

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<v Speaker 1>they filmed it a couple of years ago, but this

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<v Speaker 1>just came out this summer and while ironically she was

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant with her first baby. So my guest today is

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<v Speaker 1>a Lata Glazier. Yeah, welcome a Lana. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>you and say it's Glazer. Oh fuck, that's a Lana.

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<v Speaker 1>Glazers is like a sort of me who works with

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<v Speaker 1>glass and Glazer is this guy? Okay, And I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>you to know that my last name is actually hand

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<v Speaker 1>Job and everyone's been pronouncing that role as well a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Glazer. That's it. I'm glad you corrected me.

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<v Speaker 1>I do that with Charlie's Throne all the time, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a very close friend of mine, and she gives me

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<v Speaker 1>shit about mispronouncing her name all the time, first or last.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're both ex that's and I told her,

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<v Speaker 1>I go, I don't even think you're pronouncing it right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean. That's how I feel about

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<v Speaker 1>Australian accents. They exactly. That's how I feel about Australians.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are we nerve? Yeah, Nai, I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get that Australian knife for a long time because I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing this imitation of an Australian pilot in my

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<v Speaker 1>stand up, and then I had to toss it because

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get the name because it's like night nine A.

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<v Speaker 1>You are as how the youths are spelling it on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet is that it's rough. Like my voice is

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<v Speaker 1>so great, So well, yeah, I like your voice. It's soothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You should do one of those meditation apps. Oh, I'd

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<v Speaker 1>love it, just for Jews only. The last time I

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<v Speaker 1>saw you, we were at my show in the Beacon.

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<v Speaker 1>You came so kindly. I loved seeing you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>just lit and so empowering. Of course, I missed the

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<v Speaker 1>night before, Sarah Silverman and Amy Schumer and Sarah Cooper.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a damn lineup girl. Oh yeah, that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We were all on. The person we were missing was you,

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<v Speaker 1>but you were sick and you were being responsible because

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of those every time we get six sick,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a COVID scare thing, so we have to be

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<v Speaker 1>even just a little flair. I was thinking about an

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<v Speaker 1>awesome fiftieth birthday party that I missed recently because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like a little rundown, and I was like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>but you gotta do it. It's always been gross to

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<v Speaker 1>show up somewhere a little sick, but now it's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now it is disgusting and wrong. And we were together

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<v Speaker 1>on that night. We went out to dinner with Matteo

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<v Speaker 1>Lane and yeah, I was on my thirty day alcohol light,

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<v Speaker 1>so I got to break my thirty day alcohol light

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<v Speaker 1>with a Lana Glazer and I had an Apperall sprits

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<v Speaker 1>who knew that sentence would ever come out of my mouth? Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>that I was on an alcohol clens and b that

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<v Speaker 1>I broke it with an Apperall sprits so funny, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>not basically like a soccer mom at this point a

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<v Speaker 1>mother though at this point, Yeah, I am a what

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<v Speaker 1>is what are you in the city is a walk

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<v Speaker 1>up mom? Just stairs and stars and stares. I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 1>how long can this last? I don't know, Chelsea h Job,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. The good thing is that, like, as

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<v Speaker 1>long as my form is good, life is a hardcore

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<v Speaker 1>workout in New York City with a baby. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>feeling fit and strong, but I'm also like, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>insane here. It's just insane. I'm looking but I've been

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<v Speaker 1>here sixteen years and uh what a crazy It's just changed.

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<v Speaker 1>The city is so insane and it's like the microcosm

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<v Speaker 1>of everything insanity. Do you think it's wearing you thin?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you saying that you love it? How are you feeling?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean if I love it and I hate it,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like I love it, but I'm also just

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<v Speaker 1>like what you know? The high rises. The rats are

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<v Speaker 1>are full citizens in New York. It's it's bunkers in

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<v Speaker 1>l A. They're crazy. There are rats in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>And they are possums. Yeah, they're large. That is scary

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<v Speaker 1>ship they are. I was staying in l A for

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<v Speaker 1>like five months last year, and whenever I'm in l A,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm haunted by ghosts. I have like environmental issues and

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<v Speaker 1>animal issues, and something always is like happening. And the

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<v Speaker 1>rats were like full woodworking in the walls of the

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<v Speaker 1>places I was staying. Oh my god, it was building furniture.

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<v Speaker 1>It was insane. So staying at a hostel. I was

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<v Speaker 1>staying at a totally lovely house in Laurel Canyon, but

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, oh yeah, Laurel Canyon, the nicest place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>infested with rats. I was like, this place is I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>l A is so itself and its contradictions, but in

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<v Speaker 1>New York they're smaller and more cerebral. At least we

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<v Speaker 1>rolled that's a good way to put it. Yeah, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe and I went to this morning. We're doing this

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<v Speaker 1>out of New York City today. Joe and I went

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<v Speaker 1>to because he had to get his tc A renewed

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<v Speaker 1>t s A to move quicker at the airport. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get his renewed so you could get pre check

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever it is t s A, pre check, t

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<v Speaker 1>c A or the Critics Choice Association. So that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I was talking about. Anyway, we had to go

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<v Speaker 1>there and get that done. And we went in. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we had an appointment, but it was in the bronx,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, let's just walk in. We walk in,

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<v Speaker 1>walk it some walk like a walk into some post

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<v Speaker 1>office around the corner. We walk in, we put his

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<v Speaker 1>name in, and then we go to check and see

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<v Speaker 1>how long it is, and they say it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be two hours. And we were waiting in the room

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<v Speaker 1>and the woman's like, okay, well you can't wait inside

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a walking and like we had been waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty minutes. I go, but we've been here the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time, and she goes, yeah, but no appointments only

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<v Speaker 1>are allowed to wait inside. And we were masked up obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said, okay, so we have to now go

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<v Speaker 1>outside because I asked you how long it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>she goes yes, So we leave, we go get we

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<v Speaker 1>go get Head of Cures together, one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>activities to do with my boyfriend. And we came back

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, okay, appointments have been canceled. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fucking kind of customer service is this? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god. It's like not that I ever have intellectual references,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like Edward I'll be play, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for good Dough and no Exit. It's the two

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<v Speaker 1>references I have from college. I don't know ship, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like you're in a loop and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>an absurdist play. And that's what bureaucracy in New yarpe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the logic behind it. It's like these people have

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<v Speaker 1>an appointment, so they can wait in the waiting room,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't because you're a walking appointment. It's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>little Dr Susie. Yeah, the logic is like really anyway, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>can I say two things T T C A S.

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<v Speaker 1>You just want a critics word for evolution, right, I

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. No, I won one for Best Comedy to

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<v Speaker 1>our People's Choice Award. Yeah, but same thing, right, Well

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<v Speaker 1>the people, I mean that's that's even better no offense

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<v Speaker 1>than the critics. Well for me, and it's all about

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<v Speaker 1>the people. Yeah. I can't be performing for critics. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that. You know that, right, Yeah, but congratulations, thank you, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. All of your winds is so inspiring. I

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<v Speaker 1>love them. Well, I feel the same way about you,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of which, it was a little much I think

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<v Speaker 1>to Joe. That was like Joe Joe Coy, Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just so excited about your guys love and nothing's too

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<v Speaker 1>much for him. He is the king of enthusiasm. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't even ever get it twisted. I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>more specifically about your movie False Positive Love It, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little bit about that and why that

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<v Speaker 1>was important for you to make, because I know that

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<v Speaker 1>was close to your heart, right, Yeah, I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>was like a I can't even believe it got made.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a like fucked up passion project from

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<v Speaker 1>like my core. So I'm actually I'm stoked about it

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm star if you want to talk about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So you were involved obviously in the creative process from

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<v Speaker 1>the outset. Yeah. I I wrote that with my writing

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<v Speaker 1>partner for that film, John Lee, So we wrote that

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<v Speaker 1>script and then I started it and he directed it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like similar to Broad City in that

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<v Speaker 1>it was like something that I saw from conception to birth,

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<v Speaker 1>no pun intended, because it's all about birth and seating.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a very white punk and satirical and

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<v Speaker 1>weird and unique. And what were the most important themes,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you were very passionate how First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>how long did it take you from the start of

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<v Speaker 1>conceptualizing it to actually executing it? Gosh, what year is it?

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<v Speaker 1>My brain is so broken Instagram? Well you have money brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can blame that and COVID and New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Today I blame Instagram. Actually, um, I just played Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>My brain is leaking out my ears. Every time I

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<v Speaker 1>open Instagram. It's just brain diarrhea out of my ears.

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<v Speaker 1>What about when you mindlessly go on TikTok and then

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<v Speaker 1>it plays it at full volume even when you have

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<v Speaker 1>it down on Instagram. If you go on TikTok, everyone

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<v Speaker 1>around you know that you're on TikTok a TikTok. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I make them once in a while, but I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have like a social media person. I have a coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>and producer who helps me, but it's not like I,

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<v Speaker 1>like have a dedicated social media person. If I did.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fun, you know, it's fun to make little things

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a fun creative outlet. But like, I can

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<v Speaker 1>barely handle it on my own, so I make just

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<v Speaker 1>stupid ones randomly. I'm not I haven't invested a whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing in any Yeah, I have a social media team

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<v Speaker 1>because I can't be I can't I feel that that

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<v Speaker 1>way about you. I need somebody to get excited for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I can produce the content. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 1>produce it. I can show up and record it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>like somewhere I want to get too is just have

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<v Speaker 1>that because it's fun and it does reach people. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels good as a fan to like see your

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and be like, hey, Chelsea, you know I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get there, but yeah, my ship's leaking out my ears.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question was how long did it take you

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<v Speaker 1>from the inception a false positive to actually seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>come to fruition. I would say five years from starting

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about it with John Lee to three years

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<v Speaker 1>from writing it to the point of putting it out.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's about the power structures that run the world

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<v Speaker 1>and how they fuck over women, and that happens in medicine.

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<v Speaker 1>That happens, of course on a spectrum from black to

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<v Speaker 1>Asian to white too queer. You know, there's this algorithm

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<v Speaker 1>in the power structures that box people over to different degrees.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's about this white woman in New York City

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<v Speaker 1>who's trying to get pregnant in her husband are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get pregnant, and the medical system, specifically the reproductive

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<v Speaker 1>medical system fox here over in a scary way that

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<v Speaker 1>truly happens. Because the movie is out, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about it. There is a phenomenon that is

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<v Speaker 1>pretty rampant and increasingly being exposed where some fertility doctors

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<v Speaker 1>put their own sperm in their unwitting patients. And because

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<v Speaker 1>es Catherine, thank you for that look, I'm like horrified

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<v Speaker 1>over here. Yes, because of the way the world works

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<v Speaker 1>is that the policymakers protect people, and if the policymakers

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<v Speaker 1>all look like Mitch McConnell, the only people protected or

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<v Speaker 1>Mitch McConnell. So it's technically legal. So some lawsuits have

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<v Speaker 1>happened or but it's been for other ship they have

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<v Speaker 1>to name it as another thing. There's so little research

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<v Speaker 1>about women and reproductive health, and they're so little legal

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<v Speaker 1>protection obviously, so it's like a horror movie that's like

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<v Speaker 1>a satire about like the whiteness and the New York nous.

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<v Speaker 1>And here in New York we think we're so progressive,

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<v Speaker 1>but damn are we pretty backwards in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like income disparity alone tells you how backwards

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<v Speaker 1>a places. And you know, there's the richest people here

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<v Speaker 1>in the poorest people here. So New York can be

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<v Speaker 1>whacked in that way too. So it's a pretty amazing cast.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierce Brosnan is our villain. He's Pierce Prosden is awesome

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie. First of all, I love Pierce Brosen.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't he just the sexiest man alive? Every year? Piers

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<v Speaker 1>Brasson is the sexiest man alive, and he always has

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<v Speaker 1>been and always has been because like the reason that

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<v Speaker 1>he remains Pierce Prosdon is because he is a gentleman,

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<v Speaker 1>like giggling and blushing, a gentleman and an artists and

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<v Speaker 1>just a cool dude. He's like gone through a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of ships, survived it with immediately visible elegance, and is

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<v Speaker 1>just awesome to work with. He is awesome to work with.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I'm going to tell you this this story.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's this shot, Oh my goodness, I am giggling

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<v Speaker 1>and blushing. There's this thing, I have a mask like

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<v Speaker 1>any other school a crushed girls. There's this shot in

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<v Speaker 1>the film where I'm like, it's this real like stylist

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<v Speaker 1>shot and I'm covered in blood, buck naked, and I

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<v Speaker 1>look at myself in the mirror clothed and buck naked

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<v Speaker 1>and clothed and naked. And I talked to Pearce on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone to like talk about getting him to do

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<v Speaker 1>the movie and talking about the movie or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>the first time that I met him in person was

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<v Speaker 1>covered in blood, fully naked. Oh on set, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, bring him in, and that's how I met him.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I think this will be the this

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<v Speaker 1>is the closest I'll ever get, So here you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just done. I was like, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is me? I was. I was covered in fake blood,

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<v Speaker 1>which is almost like Cherry Sarah. So it was a

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<v Speaker 1>little demure and probably very erotic for him. I hope.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's all we can do, is hope. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when you sold this movie based on the subject matter

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, was that difficult to sell or did you

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<v Speaker 1>just sell it's on Hulu? Right? Yeah? We went straight too,

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<v Speaker 1>and they dug it. They're like pretty, they're keen, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they dug it and they were like, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and we we shaped the story with them

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<v Speaker 1>too too. It became that style. We we always were

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<v Speaker 1>aiming at that kind of satire and the tone that

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<v Speaker 1>it evokes. Their great producers, they helped us like shape it,

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<v Speaker 1>shape this world. And what has it and what has

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<v Speaker 1>the feedback been. Have you heard from a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different women now about watching that movie and their own experiences? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is really eerie. How many people, like even just

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<v Speaker 1>in talking about the movie, how they have had similar

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<v Speaker 1>experiences discovered that this has happened to them. So many

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<v Speaker 1>people have told me that this has happened to them.

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<v Speaker 1>If that's who their father is, is there a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>riffs with their mothers who didn't tell them? I think

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<v Speaker 1>I am a to The mothers are like found in

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<v Speaker 1>a way where they're like, did I do this? I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of knew it afterwards. I kind of put the

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<v Speaker 1>pieces together, you know. It's it's so so doctors opting

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<v Speaker 1>to forego the semen that they've been supplied with and

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<v Speaker 1>instead inseminate their own semen into their own patients. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is a thing that is happening. Yes. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>because they like ran out of college student semen or

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<v Speaker 1>they're just like monsters? It's because their monster? Yeah, since

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<v Speaker 1>when does a man, help when you run out of something,

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<v Speaker 1>no college and it's free. So no, it's because they're monsters.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess the people in this position tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be white males, but I can't help. But it feels

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<v Speaker 1>connected to white supremacy to They're like, believe me, my

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<v Speaker 1>sperm is primo. It's like, I don't think so, bro,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think the hardest thing for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people to get around. And I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>all of our listeners are on the same page because

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<v Speaker 1>we have such a loyal fan base, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>the hardest thing to get around. It's like whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned anything, like everything to me is goes right back

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<v Speaker 1>to white supremacy, Like everything in society, even regular, common

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<v Speaker 1>everyday things that happened. You're like, oh, there's white supremacy

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<v Speaker 1>at work. And Joe is always like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. I'm like, you are a victim of

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy, so you should actually be even more tuned

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<v Speaker 1>to this. The thing is as white people, like the

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<v Speaker 1>wool has been pulled over our eyes the most because

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<v Speaker 1>we're the ones meant to uphold the whole system. So

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<v Speaker 1>I find that like, as a white person, and as

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<v Speaker 1>a white woman, it's like I'm like working on this

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<v Speaker 1>bit of like I can't unsee the patriarchy. I see

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<v Speaker 1>it everywhere. I see it in you know, utensils and

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<v Speaker 1>tips and the way people. You know, it's like it

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<v Speaker 1>is everywhere. But it's because we haven't been thrust upon

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<v Speaker 1>the system hasn't been thrust upon us in a particular

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<v Speaker 1>way to see it as kids, you know what I mean. Like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this awesome New York representative cho say in Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 1>whose third generation Brooklyn and he's like twenty three. He is, uh, amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>This young person is filled with light, totally sees the

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<v Speaker 1>whole system and how to navigate through it. Is a politician,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he's he's amazing, an activist term politician. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Mr, Oh, say, how do you see the

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<v Speaker 1>whole system this way? And he was like, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm black, Because at a young age I knew as

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<v Speaker 1>a black person in a black family in a black

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<v Speaker 1>community what the system was doing, you know. But for

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<v Speaker 1>us to be like way and then and then it

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<v Speaker 1>comes later now it's like I feel a delayed response

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<v Speaker 1>where it started when I left home. Basically Smithtown. Phille

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<v Speaker 1>lives in the town that I grew up in. Oh cute,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a cute connection. I mean a real as

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<v Speaker 1>authentic connection behind the scenes here at Chelsea hand Job,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. But you come up against it everywhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>we do need to be reminding ourselves or else it's

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<v Speaker 1>harder to stay like fucking wilful against it. Yeah, yeah, especially,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it is hard because it becomes such as

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<v Speaker 1>feel it feels like you're always arguing, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're always cantankerous, and you are arguing, and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a necessary argument. To be constantly reminding. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a bummer, But it's also necessary to be constantly reminding

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and others around you to look and see like

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<v Speaker 1>through this, through this lens of like the real reality

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<v Speaker 1>of things, even growing up. You know, when I look

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<v Speaker 1>back at the way how bombastic and arrogant I was

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<v Speaker 1>at a young age, everyone just thought I had so

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<v Speaker 1>much confidence and I was so fearless. It was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I just had grown up in a structure where I

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<v Speaker 1>knew I could be the loudest and there was we

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<v Speaker 1>were going to be no repercussions. Did you grow up

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<v Speaker 1>with Jews. Yeah, Jews and Italians, which are basically interchangeable,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was very Jewish, very Italian where which they

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<v Speaker 1>called Bagel Hill for short. On that note, we have

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast is where we give advice. We have real

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<v Speaker 1>people who call in and we're just going to give

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<v Speaker 1>our advice and hopefully these are areas that you feel

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable giving advice in which I know you will. And um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Katherine, should we start with our callers. Yes, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to take a quick break, but after that we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to some collars. Oh, yes, we always have to

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<v Speaker 1>take a quick break. Don't forget about that. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. We're back with a lot of glazer and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take some callers, right, Katherine, Yes, we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Our first submission is actually an email. We actually have

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<v Speaker 1>two collars today, so our first email comes from Natalie.

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<v Speaker 1>The subject is secret job. Dear Chelsea. I'm a forty

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<v Speaker 1>six year old woman who has a great husband, two amazing, smart,

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<v Speaker 1>well rounded kids, and I live a quiet, content life.

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<v Speaker 1>My problem is, before I had kids, I had a

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<v Speaker 1>very active work life, were filled with responsibilities and promise.

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<v Speaker 1>We lived in a large city and I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I was going places career wise. When our first son

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<v Speaker 1>was born, I never really went back to work because

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<v Speaker 1>my husband's job was very demanding and unpredictable, and we

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<v Speaker 1>had no easy childcare option. Fourteen years and a year

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<v Speaker 1>of COVID later, I realized I wanted to start doing

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<v Speaker 1>something outside of the house. Pre COVID I volunteered, so

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to get a job as a school bus driver.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing, Chelsea, I've been doing it for a

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<v Speaker 1>year and none of my family or friends know I

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<v Speaker 1>have this job. I really enjoy it. I love the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Driving the bus is never boring, and it's only three

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<v Speaker 1>hours a day. But I've kept it a secret because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that people will look down on me, like

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't get anything better, or that I'm lazy. All

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<v Speaker 1>my friends have fast paced city jobs but no kids.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an educated woman, and I don't know why I

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<v Speaker 1>care what people think. I guess I could go on

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<v Speaker 1>and get a better job, but being out of the

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<v Speaker 1>job market for so long, I feel I've been left behind. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>my husband has a six week holiday every year, and

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<v Speaker 1>my family's time off together is very important to us,

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess I want your opinion. Am I being

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<v Speaker 1>dishonest with myself about keeping this job a secret and

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to still just be a stay at home mom? Atalie? Oh? God?

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you need to embrace the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>you're driving a bus and you fucking love it. I

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<v Speaker 1>love Natalie so loving it? Then? And also how to

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<v Speaker 1>keep it a secret? Bitch, I'm loving it. I'm loving it.

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<v Speaker 1>And also like her self awareness. I hate the stigmas

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<v Speaker 1>and ship that's like weighing her down. But I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, but oh I'm loving it. Yeah. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, you need to embrace the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>got that job and that you love it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, you're having a great impact on children.

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<v Speaker 1>Is you like what you're doing? Be And then the

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<v Speaker 1>third thing is you're it's part time, so you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to do everything else that you feel like you need

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<v Speaker 1>to do, which is parent you know, not as much

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<v Speaker 1>as you were doing when they were younger, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>as intensive, and you're earning a living like this is

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<v Speaker 1>a home run. All of this. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you are not keeping this from your family, You're keeping

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<v Speaker 1>this for yourself. Is yours? Get Natalie? Yes? Also dare

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<v Speaker 1>I say, if you'd like you sent money for therapy

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<v Speaker 1>to look at why you have the shame because therapy

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<v Speaker 1>is fun. That's just I just love therapy. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think driving a bus is beneath anybody. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you look at it, first of all, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't even need this job, so that that it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like it's the only job you could get. You chose

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<v Speaker 1>this job, and you're doing something that is having a

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<v Speaker 1>positive impact on your community, which is a number one

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<v Speaker 1>the most important thing any of us can do as individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in this fucking country, you know, where people are

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<v Speaker 1>all over the map and so divisive and hate each other.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is a great use of your time

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<v Speaker 1>and you should own it and embrace it, and when

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<v Speaker 1>you want to share it with everybody, do it proudly. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone loves a bus driver as a kid, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was obsessed with my bus driver. That's amazing. I love that,

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<v Speaker 1>Like a brilliant mom is like taking care of these kids.

0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 1>And you're like these days a frontline worker. Really that

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<v Speaker 1>you're that's so important to get these kids to school.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so fun. And you also don't know, Natalie, how

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.280
<v Speaker 1>many people you're going to inspire by telling telling the

0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.160
<v Speaker 1>world how much fun you're having and and owning it

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.919
<v Speaker 1>instead of being shameful about it. Flip the script on that.

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:10.959
<v Speaker 1>Just be like, yeah, I'm cool enough to do this

0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.159
<v Speaker 1>and be confident and secure enough that I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to make excuses for having a job that only you,

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind are judging as not good enough or

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<v Speaker 1>not making enough money. This is a great way to

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<v Speaker 1>contribute while also making a living. So good on you.

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, spread the word when when you feel comfortable.

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I think you should have done it yesterday, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion. You know, just spread it. Spread the gospel

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to other people so they can know that, like, yeah,

0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:37.399
<v Speaker 1>it's not all about how much money you're making, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you don't need that kind of income to

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<v Speaker 1>supplement your household. I know, I don't think it's lovely

0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of retirees do bust driving. You know,

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it's just fun to get your own kids. She's having

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<v Speaker 1>a great time. I think when it's time for you

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<v Speaker 1>to tell your personal community about it, it's interesting that

0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.200
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to keep it from them. That's what I

0:23:57.240 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 1>mean about the therapy, just because it's it doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>to be therapy, but just looking at that is interesting. Yeah,

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.760
<v Speaker 1>problem solved. It sounds like Natalie, So I guess there

0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.280
<v Speaker 1>was no problem to begin with. And we love these

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:11.760
<v Speaker 1>kinds of calls. It's just positive affirmations and then schedattle. Yeah,

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I could see you driving a bus. That sounds fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I I can't. Sorry, I don't know that I would

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<v Speaker 1>operate a vehicle. A lot of that I would trust myself,

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:26.480
<v Speaker 1>but I feel like, WHOA, it would be like a

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.040
<v Speaker 1>little too anxious for it. So prop Tonatalie also on

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 1>operating an enormous like what seven ton piece of machinery

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 1>screenery that's important for a woman and a mom to do.

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty specific ton of reference, seven tons right

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 1>off the bat, she knows how much a bus ways.

0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Pretty interesting, just just throwing it out there. So many talents. Well,

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>our next email comes from Bryson and he is calling in.

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<v Speaker 1>He says, Dear Chelsea, I'm a twenty nine year old

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<v Speaker 1>medical student from South Carolina. I've been in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>up with an amazing man for a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half now. He's the sweetest, most caring person I've ever met,

0:25:05.200 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 1>and I'm so thankful for him. However, my boyfriend and

0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>best friend of ten years have become enemies. When meeting

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:14.639
<v Speaker 1>her for the first time in Orlando over New Year's,

0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:17.960
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend said something negative about her and she overheard it.

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.919
<v Speaker 1>A horrible argument broke out and made the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the trip incredibly awkward. A couple of weeks later, I

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<v Speaker 1>found out that she had uninvited him to her wedding.

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I was supposed to be the man of honor, but

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:33.479
<v Speaker 1>my boyfriend was not allowed to attend. I ended up

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.679
<v Speaker 1>going to the wedding, but since then things have not

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>been the same. We've been through therapy over this situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've not been able to salvage the relationship between

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<v Speaker 1>the two of them. My boyfriend absolutely wants nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with her and has threatened to end our relationship

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>if she remains a part of my life. My best

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:55.160
<v Speaker 1>friend thinks he's controlling and quote horrible. Is it possible

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<v Speaker 1>to fix this so I can have both my boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>and my best friend Bryson? What I love friendship triangle?

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's hard? Hi bright Sondi, Hi, Hi, how are you?

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm good? So excited for you guys. Thanks, We're happy

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:19.479
<v Speaker 1>to be here to help you navigate. Yes, okay, so

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.280
<v Speaker 1>tell us what happened. So it's your best friend and

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:26.680
<v Speaker 1>your boyfriend exactly. Yeah. So we get there and she

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>starts making some like kind of racist comments at the beginning, unfortunately,

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>and he's biracial, so like really sensitive to any kind

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 1>of stuff like that. So, like we're going into a Walmart,

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and she talked about how like, oh, there's always these

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 1>black people hanging out outside of the Walmart and it

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.040
<v Speaker 1>makes her nervous, so like already that's not a great

0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>way to start. And then like this is New Year's Eve,

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>so like we're all having this party at her house

0:26:50.200 --> 0:26:53.560
<v Speaker 1>and we're talking about relationships, and she says something like, well,

0:26:53.600 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 1>you guys have only been together for like twenty minutes.

0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 1>We've been together for almost a year at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like as a night got on, he and

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.399
<v Speaker 1>I were having what we thought was a private conversation.

0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>He shared with me like I can't believe how rude

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 1>she is, Like somebody needs to put her in her place,

0:27:08.200 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad we don't live near her. And turns

0:27:10.960 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 1>out she was in the bedroom and heard everything that

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 1>we said. So she comes like storming out of the

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>house and you know, blows up at him like I

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.399
<v Speaker 1>heard everything you said. Just it errupts. Then they have

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>this like amazing conversation. She's crying, saying like, you know,

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>she's not a racist person. You know, she and him

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>don't have to necessarily be friends, but because she loves

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>me and he loves me, like they need to get along.

0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Everything's fine. The next like three days of our trip

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:38.800
<v Speaker 1>are great. A couple of weeks later is her bachelorette party,

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and she tells me on the trip he's not invite

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to the wedding anymore, which came like a completely like

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere, like why you guys just have this

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.439
<v Speaker 1>awesome you know you made up, Like why would you

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>do this? So she blamed it on COVID, said that

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 1>when her bridal party is having their partners or whatever,

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>AND's like, okay, we'll fine, Like I can get that.

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>So we get to the wedding. Of course everyone in

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the bridal party has a partner. So she lied to

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>me about that, so I was hurt immediately. It was

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>her man of honor, so like I had an amazing speech,

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I was there standing right next to

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>her throughout the whole wedding and afterwards, I just kind

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>of cut ties. More and more time went by, and

0:28:18.920 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>like we started therapy over this, and what we decided

0:28:22.040 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>through therapy was that I need to start pulling away

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.399
<v Speaker 1>from this relationship, like I need to cut contact in

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>order to salvage what I have with him. And I

0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>have a really hard time with that. I really struggle

0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 1>cutting ties with people. And and so we went about

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.840
<v Speaker 1>two months without speaking, and then she finally reached out,

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and I guess because I had, you know, wanted to

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>talk to her for so long, Like when she reached out,

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.959
<v Speaker 1>I kind of reverted back, like it was just like

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>nothing had changed, you know, but still had him over here,

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.160
<v Speaker 1>who was hurting really badly knowing that I was having

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>these conversations with her, because in his eyes, it's like,

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, you're you don't have my back. So we're

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.760
<v Speaker 1>at staying now. We haven't spoken since September. We've been

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.959
<v Speaker 1>best friends for ten years. We used to speaking like

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.120
<v Speaker 1>every day, and it's been really hard because like I'm

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.719
<v Speaker 1>at a really great point in my life. I'm going

0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>to graduate medical school, Like I'm interviewing out all these

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>programs and I want to share all these experiences with her,

0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>and she just bought a house, and I want to

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>hear about her married life and the Survivor Finaleeston and

0:29:20.480 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>we love that, so that's something we always talk about. So,

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:26.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, just not having that in my life has

0:29:26.400 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>been really hard. So I'm just not sure how to

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 1>have both of those. Yeah, you're not the only person.

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people have a problem cutting off ties,

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>have a problem with complex confrontation, so that's not uncommon.

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>But can I just ask you about your relationship with

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.680
<v Speaker 1>your your partner. Would you describe it as a healthy relationship?

0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Does he treat you well? Does he respect you? All

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of those things? He's the most amazing person I've ever met. Like,

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I've dated some scumbags in the past few years, and

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>once he came into the picture, everyone's like, finally, my

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>family loves him. You know, everybody in my life loves

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>him except for her. Yeah, so I'll go first. I

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>think that your friend sounds like she's got some a

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>jealousy issues about your relationship with him, and then be

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:07.960
<v Speaker 1>she's got her own issues if she's making comments like

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 1>that walking into Walgreens or you know, commenting about black

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 1>people like. For you to have a tolerance of that

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>is kind of what you have to just that's your baseline, right,

0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>are you going to be tolerant of that kind of behavior?

0:30:19.800 --> 0:30:22.680
<v Speaker 1>That's the perfect reasoning for you to give somebody the

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>room they need with a nice like email as your

0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>last outreach to her, saying, this is a person in

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.320
<v Speaker 1>my life that is so important to me. This is

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the best relationship, the healthiest relationship I've ever been in.

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I hope that at a certain point in your life

0:30:38.480 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 1>that you will come around to recognize how valuable he

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 1>is to me and how valuable your your friendship is too.

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>But I'm being forced now to make a choice between

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the two of you because of her behavior. It doesn't

0:30:50.200 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>sound like your partner did anything to warrant her acting

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>like this. She through it, and you're not only did

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>she make that comment walking in with somebody who's bi racial,

0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>That comments not except acceptable if you're around a bunch

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 1>of white people, never mind if you're around somebody who's

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>not white, you know what I mean. And then also

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>what she did to you at her wedding by disinviting

0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 1>him and then showing up, that's a real fuck you

0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that's a fuck you to you, you know, And so

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>you're hesitancy about having a confrontation or losing someone when

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody like like that is in your life and kind

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>of just attracting so much negativity. You're used to that.

0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 1>That's a habit for you that you're okay with, and

0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:32.640
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't be. Really, you should have a higher standard

0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>of operation between your friends and what's acceptable to say

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.959
<v Speaker 1>and what's not because regardless of whether you're with this

0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>guy or not, she shouldn't be talking about black people

0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 1>like that. I mean, are you okay with that? No?

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Certainly not. You've gotten away with it for so long,

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>like saying he's off the cuff comments and you know,

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's a racist person, but you know

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>it's not even okay to like say joking things. Yeah,

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and you can put that in the letter. You can

0:31:57.040 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>write her this email and saying all of the things

0:31:59.480 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that you value you about your relationship. And here's where

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you've crossed the line. And I would be willing to

0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>forgive you if you would be able to come to

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>the table and actually say I've done some work on myself.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to actually act like in concert in this relationship,

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>so it's not uneven and one sided, and where she's

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>willing to embrace your partner and also owe him a

0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 1>heartfelt apology. She owes him a heartfelt apology, not not

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:26.160
<v Speaker 1>just saying oh yeah whatever, she has to actually say

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>from her heart, because I'm sure your partner, if he's

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 1>a well rounded individual, would accept an apology if it

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>were heartfelt. The problem is that it sounded like the

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.560
<v Speaker 1>initial one wasn't, and then her behavior after that negated

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 1>any apology anyway. So I just am completely behind everything

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that Chelsea's saying. And I don't mean to just straight

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>up alienate her, but I'm like, that's nuts. To say

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 1>that in a group of white people is like what,

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>But to say that with a biracial person is nuts.

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:57.680
<v Speaker 1>That's just wild to me, you know, and not cool.

0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>And the wedding thing is so hurtful. I just for

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a second one to reflect that is so hurtful, manipulative

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and like gaslighting. I'm like, if I were there, I'd

0:33:09.240 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>be like, am I crazy? That is so gaslighting. So

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a couple levels I'm looking at here where it

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>is so mean to your partner and so mean to

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>you you're her best friend of ten years that she's

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>like fighting for. That is so I mean, honestly low

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>key violent to both of you. That's a lot to process.

0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited by the way you're talking about him

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>and that the rest of your community is so into him.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Look at she smile. I mean, that's like, dude, that's

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I've chills, Like there's nothing better why I'm obsessed with

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I just like Doe Koy. I mean, it's like, dude, like, also,

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>you're becoming a doctor. You need support in order to

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>care for all these people that you're about to care for.

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>So as we get older, the different ears and decades

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 1>that we go through, our priorities shift. And you know,

0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, maybe she was the type of person who

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 1>who was the correct best friend for when you were

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 1>dating scumbags. Maybe she's not the right person for when

0:34:12.280 --> 0:34:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you're dating a gem. And I really like Chelsea's idea

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 1>of an email, just because it gives written boundaries almost

0:34:19.280 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>like legally, it's like, but I said this, you know,

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 1>it's you can't always hold people to you said this.

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>People change, things change, But I like that in an email,

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and I'm what I like about it actually is that

0:34:29.000 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 1>it provides distance. I don't think that being close to

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>this person is healthy. I don't think that you have

0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 1>to be like, I'll never talk to her again because

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, if she feels like family or something. We

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>all have racist family and it's not like, you know,

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 1>you can never talk to them again, and you can

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 1>also interact with them in a way that is health

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>through exercising healthy boundaries. But I'm like, yeah, I wouldn't

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>want her at my wedding if I were you or

0:34:57.040 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>your partner, because that's just not chill and relaxing and joyful.

0:35:00.480 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>There's like something to keep your eye on in mind

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 1>on there, like you don't want any you don't need

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 1>any stains, you know, like you don't need any stains

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:09.760
<v Speaker 1>on the day to day. Yeah. And I would also

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>remind you that, you know, sometimes when you cut off

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a friendship, I know you're viewing it as a loss,

0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:17.719
<v Speaker 1>but it can be a gain, you know what I mean.

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 1>When you set your standards to be higher, you're gaining

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>because you're saying this is no longer acceptable to me.

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>I will not tolerate this behavior from you. I love you,

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>and you can say that would love you know, sometimes

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 1>friendships do exhaust themselves or they have a expiration date,

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and that can be depressing. But you don't have to

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:35.920
<v Speaker 1>look at it that way. You have to look at

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:39.439
<v Speaker 1>it as you're growing, you're becoming less tolerant of any

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of that of that behavior also in service to

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>your partner, like you respect him, and that's showing him respect,

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>like I'm not going to allow you to be treated

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>this way, you know, and that's going to have to

0:35:49.880 --> 0:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>make you feel good. You know, there's no reason it shouldn't.

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Like you're standing up for yourself and you should stand

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.160
<v Speaker 1>up for yourself. Protecting him and protecting your relationship is

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>protecting yourself. Like that just sounds like such a great situation.

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 1>At first, when you said ultimatum, I was like a

0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>But then to hear the actual details, it's like that's

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that's your partner protecting himself and your relationship. He's he's

0:36:14.080 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 1>seeing what's healthy. Yeah, And I don't see it as

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>an ultimatum. I just see it as like a letter,

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:20.360
<v Speaker 1>like a missive of saying, hey, I understand we're in

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>different places right now, so we're going to take a

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.200
<v Speaker 1>time out from our relationship. I'm always here I'm always

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>here for you if you want to come back, and

0:36:26.800 --> 0:36:29.319
<v Speaker 1>you know you feel like you know you've changed or

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>your your behave you know, you'll find the right words

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 1>to describe the situation for what it's worth. Don't over

0:36:34.000 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>like describe the details and the minut ship that's irrelevant.

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:39.040
<v Speaker 1>It's more broad strokes. You know. It's like we've been

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:40.799
<v Speaker 1>friends for a long time. That means a lot to me.

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.799
<v Speaker 1>And I would never disrespect you in this way, or

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I would want to be available for you, Like if

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I said something that would ever hurt your partner, your husband,

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>I would always want to be you know, aware of that,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and I would want to amend or change my behavior

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>become a little bit more clued into what's acceptable these days.

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.680
<v Speaker 1>But as a gay man and as a partner of

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 1>somebody that you love that it sounds like you're going

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>to be with for quite some time. Yeah, you owe

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that relationship more respect than you owe your previous relationship.

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>And at the end of the day, you're coming home

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.279
<v Speaker 1>to him, not to her. You know, it's like you

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.319
<v Speaker 1>define these two people, and when you talked about him,

0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 1>it's like lovely, amazing. The thing I've been looking for

0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:24.880
<v Speaker 1>and when you talked about her, it was difficult overreacting

0:37:25.360 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>kind of racist. And I think when you look at

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 1>it in those basic terms, like like Alana and Chelsea said,

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.399
<v Speaker 1>there's a reason we start to outgrow some of those

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:39.759
<v Speaker 1>relationships at I do feel like it's definitely a growing experience,

0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>like it's time to it's time to grow up and

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of make some of the harder decisions that I've

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:48.080
<v Speaker 1>been avoiding for a long time. This relationship is super

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.439
<v Speaker 1>important to me and definitely one that I see going

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 1>long term. So yeah, I think it's time to put

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.839
<v Speaker 1>on the big boy pants and make a decision like that. Yeah,

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 1>And it's going to bring you and your partner even

0:37:57.520 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 1>closer together because he's going to understand that you're going

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to up up to the plate for him and he

0:38:01.400 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>should know that. You know, that's what a partnership is about.

0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>That she he's got your back. She doesn't have your back.

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>She's shown you that a few times, so you don't

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 1>need to find that out again. Yeah. It's definitely, um,

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, not easy for me, but I'm excited for

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 1>what the future has with us. Yeah, exactly. And I

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>think once you do that, Bryson and your your avoidance

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.560
<v Speaker 1>of conflict will actually diminish. You know, once you get

0:38:23.600 --> 0:38:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the ball rolling and you do it once, all of

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you're like, oh wait, this is good, this

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:29.799
<v Speaker 1>is empowering. This is what I should be able to

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:32.400
<v Speaker 1>do to stand up for myself, my loved ones, my family,

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:38.359
<v Speaker 1>the people that are important. Perfect to meet you. Thank you,

0:38:38.440 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 1>congrats on about to be graduating medical school. That is

0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a huge difficult accomplishment. Good job, Thank you so much.

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Take care. Thanks by Bryson. I was just about to

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 1>add I'm glad that he's going to be graduating medical

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.840
<v Speaker 1>school without her ruining the graduation. It's not that she

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.719
<v Speaker 1>would show up for it, because she sounds like she's

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>so wrapped up at her own stuff. But imagine doing that,

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you give you know, your friend comes down, you

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 1>have this whole thing with his friend. I mean, what's

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>your defense? Like she hears them talking about her, But

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>what's her defense. I didn't say those things. She's he's

0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:12.839
<v Speaker 1>basically talking about what he heard her say, you mean

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:19.239
<v Speaker 1>in the bedroom, and she abuse but and she's like

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like the person that you get super drunk with,

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:25.399
<v Speaker 1>and she's messy and it's funny. And now he's growing

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>up and it's like, sorry, girl, and she's gonna have

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:32.960
<v Speaker 1>a challenging um, you know, good luck to her. Yeah,

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 1>when you're described as abrasive, I mean I I remember

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:38.400
<v Speaker 1>times and when I was younger that being described as that,

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:41.600
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, what people are totally misreading me,

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 1>And it's like no, no, no, you are abrasive. And

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 1>then you have to come to terms with that and

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:48.120
<v Speaker 1>understand your abrasiveness and how that affects you know, like

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.919
<v Speaker 1>your intention or what you're saying isn't always how things

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 1>are digested, and you have to be self aware enough

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 1>to get to get that, and sometimes people don't want

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to ever hear that. And actually to that point, it's like,

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>so maybe she can change, but it's not going to

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:03.880
<v Speaker 1>happen through repeating the behavior or level of relationship that

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>they've had thus far. This change that Bryson is about

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 1>to invoke will probably help her as well. Yeah, absolutely,

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.279
<v Speaker 1>because showing up to a wedding and finding out that

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:14.719
<v Speaker 1>everyone else had the plus one there, it's such a

0:40:14.800 --> 0:40:17.479
<v Speaker 1>funk you. That is such a fuck you. I would

0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 1>have ended that relationship that day and never spoken to

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:25.440
<v Speaker 1>that person. I'm like, I can't stay here COVID. I'm like, no, no, no, yeah,

0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:29.560
<v Speaker 1>nearly nearly. Anyway, we wrapped that up with a nice

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:33.839
<v Speaker 1>little bow. Yeah, this is a tricky one. Our next

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>email comes from Liza. She says, my son's best friend

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 1>is an eleven year old girl who is an open

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:43.399
<v Speaker 1>and proud lesbian, and she's the daughter of my best

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.440
<v Speaker 1>friend of almost twenty years. Our children have been friends

0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 1>for their entire lives. They both were over for Thanksgiving

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 1>and spent the night as they had done many times before,

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>and it was all okay until I got an urgent

0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:59.359
<v Speaker 1>phone call Sunday night on Thanksgiving. My son had forcefully

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>kissed her honor with tongue after being told no on

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.879
<v Speaker 1>a failed attempt. Her daughter is saying he sexually assaulted her.

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Her mom says she is traumatized and never wants to

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:13.920
<v Speaker 1>see him again. I have so much guilt. My friendship

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.240
<v Speaker 1>with my best friend is now in a very weird place,

0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and I feel like shit. Other than therapy for my son,

0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 1>which he is about to start on Tuesday, signed up

0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.640
<v Speaker 1>initially because of school behavioral issues, I don't know what

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 1>to do. What do I do to teach my son

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 1>consent and mend my friendship. Liza. Okay, Liza, that's really difficult,

0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I do. I mean, that is a very difficult situation.

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I think first you have to give your friends some space,

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like and her child some space, and not bombard her,

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.080
<v Speaker 1>not that that's what you're doing, but make sure you're

0:41:44.080 --> 0:41:46.120
<v Speaker 1>giving her the amount of space that it takes you

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>to address the situation, you know, because if you go

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 1>back and you're like, let's fix our friendship, she's not

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:52.640
<v Speaker 1>there yet. And she and she sounds like you guys

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:55.080
<v Speaker 1>have been friends for a long time. You know, this

0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:58.800
<v Speaker 1>is really unfortunate. Obviously, your son does have some behavioral issues.

0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:01.200
<v Speaker 1>If she had told him no before and he did

0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that to her, even if you did that to her

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 1>without her telling him no, that's not acceptable. So you're

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 1>addressing those. You should also get yourself into therapy, you

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, because your parenting obviously can help

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.920
<v Speaker 1>be helped by any sort of child family like an

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.120
<v Speaker 1>MFCC will help you understand what you can be doing

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>to better help your son understand the boundaries and the rules,

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.520
<v Speaker 1>like a Marriage Family Child counsel um, and they can

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>help you, you know, like or a psychologist or so

0:42:29.440 --> 0:42:31.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, a psychiatrist. Whatever you choose to do,

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>m f ccs tend to be more affordable, so you can, like,

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, you just have to understand how you're supposed

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>to direct your child, because that's the responsibility you have

0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:42.839
<v Speaker 1>to take. Putting him in therapy is great, but you

0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>also need to understand what your role is, what your

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:47.920
<v Speaker 1>husband or partner's role is in this dynamic as well.

0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>And then you know, once you've learned and gleaned some

0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 1>valid information and valuable information and you started to see

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 1>a change in your son and he is as sorry

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 1>as he's going to get about this, then you can

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>reach out to your friend and offer an apology. And

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 1>and you know, understand that the little girl may not

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>be interested in seeing him anytime soon, but that you're

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>available if and when she does become ready, that you

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.399
<v Speaker 1>and your son are available to go there, whether it's

0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:19.240
<v Speaker 1>in person, whether it's via email, you know, zoom, whatever

0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>is appropriate and in the moment to actually have a

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.560
<v Speaker 1>conversation when you have information about why he did act

0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 1>like that and why he has started to change. You know,

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think like apologies have that much merit until

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:35.279
<v Speaker 1>somebody's actually done a little bit of work on their

0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>side of things. I have very little, just like only

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.719
<v Speaker 1>an underline that's that's right, And that's like a that's

0:43:41.719 --> 0:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>a hard situation. It's kind of like I've been thinking

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:45.480
<v Speaker 1>of I just had a baby five and a half

0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>months ago, and I've been thinking about families as like onions,

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 1>where it's like the baby and the mother, I mean,

0:43:50.400 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 1>at least in the very beginning, are one, and the

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 1>next layer is the partner, you know, around that that layer,

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 1>and then the next layer is whoever the next support

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 1>layer is. And for your son to get hell, you

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>probably need some support also in supporting him. And it

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:07.440
<v Speaker 1>is your job to support him first and foremost, and

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>then to understand yourself. And I guess that's probably what

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.040
<v Speaker 1>your best friend is doing with their child too, is

0:44:14.120 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>supporting their child, and that's going to take time and space. Yeah,

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and it might be worth just, you know, just to

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>make yourself feel better, you know, to send her an

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:23.560
<v Speaker 1>email saying that these are my points of action, and

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm gonna do, and I'm going to

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 1>give you the space that you need. Obviously, I'm going

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>to try to fix this situation. But I'm going to

0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 1>come back to you when I have something to fix

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 1>it with, so that she knows that you're on the road.

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she's devastated as well, of course. I mean,

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:40.200
<v Speaker 1>nobody wants their little girl to go through that, and

0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to lose their best friend. You guys have

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.399
<v Speaker 1>a friendship. But remember they are kids. These are little kids.

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 1>They're eleven years old, right, that's what she said. Their

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.440
<v Speaker 1>age was, So like, this isn't the end of the world,

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.919
<v Speaker 1>This isn't define your son. This is a great opportunity

0:44:53.960 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>for learning and growth, huge opportunity so that this doesn't

0:44:57.320 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>happen again, and that you raise a son that understands

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>and respects boundaries. Because also, like teaching your son consent

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 1>is a new concept in the mainstream discourse. Of course

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>that's always there, but it's like it's just at a

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>new level right now. So I love Chelsea's point of

0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:14.919
<v Speaker 1>it being a great opportunity, and they are kids, I think,

0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>just something that if you can be gentle with yourself, yeah, yes,

0:45:20.040 --> 0:45:22.240
<v Speaker 1>and please keep us posted, let us know what happens

0:45:22.280 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 1>and how it goes with therapy with your son and

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>with your friend when you do reach out to her

0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>and hear back from her. It's really like so generous

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>to share this anecdote and let it be in the conversation. Yeah,

0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a break and then we'll be

0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>really back. Well. Our last call of the day is

0:45:44.800 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>from Sarah. Sarah says, Dear Chelsea, how do you gracefully

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.840
<v Speaker 1>take compliments? I'm somewhat of a self conscious person who's

0:45:53.840 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>always had trouble knowing what to do when someone gives

0:45:56.480 --> 0:46:00.319
<v Speaker 1>me praise, specifically compliments regarding my son and soon to

0:46:00.320 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 1>be second son. I adopted my fourteen year old when

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>he was young because his parents were not able to

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 1>take care of him. I was with his dad for

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.320
<v Speaker 1>a time and that didn't work out, but my kiddo

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:13.760
<v Speaker 1>stayed with me. When people find this out, they fall

0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 1>all over themselves giving me praise, and I never know

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:18.960
<v Speaker 1>what to say. I want to show I'm thankful, but

0:46:19.040 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>also that that's not really necessary. I take care of

0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 1>my son because it was a need I could fill,

0:46:23.880 --> 0:46:26.719
<v Speaker 1>and it brings me joy. My fiance and I are

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>now adopting another little one in a similar situation of need,

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and I feel so uncomfortable when people pour on the admiration,

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 1>and I just don't know what to say. As you

0:46:35.560 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 1>are someone who helps many more people than me, I

0:46:38.000 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>thought you might have some expertise in this area. Sarah Hi,

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Hi, Chelsea, Hi, how are you? This is a

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 1>Laana Sarah Hi, Alana. I know who you are. I'm

0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:51.280
<v Speaker 1>a fan. Thank you so much for having me today.

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So nice to meet you. Oh, it's nice to see you. Yes,

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:58.360
<v Speaker 1>it's very nice to see you. So you just have

0:46:58.400 --> 0:47:00.719
<v Speaker 1>a problem with people heaping praise on you because you're

0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:06.759
<v Speaker 1>a great mom when you put it like that, No,

0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I just think sometimes like I want to be really

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:14.040
<v Speaker 1>accepting of the admiration, but it feels uncomfortable to just

0:47:14.080 --> 0:47:17.120
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, well, thank you, I know I'm so great,

0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:20.479
<v Speaker 1>Like I really appreciate you noticing. I feel like there's

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:23.920
<v Speaker 1>got to be something that's like makes people understand that

0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:27.879
<v Speaker 1>I really am grateful for them saying that and maybe

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:31.080
<v Speaker 1>more acknowledging that it is something a little bit different

0:47:31.080 --> 0:47:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and their praise really does mean that extra bit. I

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 1>feel like there's gotta be more something to show how

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:38.840
<v Speaker 1>much I care that they're taking the time to show

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.160
<v Speaker 1>that to me. Yeah, well, I think This is so easy.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I'm not great at taking compliments either,

0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 1>but I'm getting different kinds of compliments and you're getting

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:48.200
<v Speaker 1>so that's my own issue. But you just have to

0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 1>flip that little narrative in your head and every time

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.319
<v Speaker 1>somebody gives you that compliment, it's an opportunity for you

0:47:53.400 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 1>to express to them how grateful you are a to

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.400
<v Speaker 1>be in the position that you are, that you're able

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.760
<v Speaker 1>to do this right, that you're able to be joyful

0:48:00.800 --> 0:48:03.160
<v Speaker 1>while doing this, that you're able to have a good time.

0:48:03.200 --> 0:48:05.840
<v Speaker 1>That it's like, this is your purpose in a sense,

0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:07.640
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, It's one of your purposes

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:11.440
<v Speaker 1>for sure. And oh my gosh, I love that so

0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 1>much that just in itself is the best answer that

0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I could ask to give when that someone says this

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:20.839
<v Speaker 1>to me, that to me sounds so much more than

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 1>oh well, thank you, like, oh, this is my purpose.

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:28.000
<v Speaker 1>That actually feels like when people are coming from this

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>heartfelt place that they would feel heard by me repeating

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.520
<v Speaker 1>something like that to them. Yeah, it's that simple, and

0:48:34.560 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 1>just start saying that. You know, you can write down

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.800
<v Speaker 1>three different variations and responses you have and just rotate

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 1>them like it's great to be able to be good

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>at something, you know, it's great to me, and so

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.719
<v Speaker 1>good at being a mother. Like these kids are my

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>life and they're a gift to me, so I'm able

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:51.640
<v Speaker 1>to give them the gift back of being a present parent.

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:53.840
<v Speaker 1>You bet, I'm a psyched to do this. Thank you

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>for noticing you know, all of those things. That's amazing.

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I love those answers, all of them, and you deserve

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 1>all of the credit and congratulations on your people's choice.

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:07.520
<v Speaker 1>The word that is so awesome. Thank you so much.

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Definitely earned it. You're making people smile and making a

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 1>difference all the time to oh, well, thank you, thank

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 1>you for that compliment. Yeah, that means a lot to me.

0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:18.799
<v Speaker 1>By the way, that's another thing you can say when

0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:21.759
<v Speaker 1>people compliment you, that means a lot to me. You know,

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>that's true. That's awesome. Actually, yeah, I tried never to say.

0:49:25.080 --> 0:49:26.919
<v Speaker 1>The one thing I try to always remember is never

0:49:26.960 --> 0:49:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to say thank you mindlessly, Like, you know, even if

0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like I'm at an event and they're all my

0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:33.200
<v Speaker 1>fans are there and they're saying something, you know, it's

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.800
<v Speaker 1>over and over again. Like I don't want to project

0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.200
<v Speaker 1>any sort of getting used to that. Ever, it doesn't

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 1>matter how long you've been doing this. You want to

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.600
<v Speaker 1>just be present for each person so you can receive

0:49:43.640 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>their compliments and look them in the eye and be

0:49:46.040 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>like really appreciative, you know. So that's also something Just

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:51.439
<v Speaker 1>as long as you're connecting with the person who's giving

0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you the compliment and being heartfelt, then it lands. Yeah,

0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. I feel like you're completely understanding where

0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm coming from when I say that, just saying thank

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:04.320
<v Speaker 1>you kind of feels like there's there's something just below

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the surface more that you can make sure that they're

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:12.360
<v Speaker 1>hearing you. So do you do you have trouble accepting compliments? Yeah, totally.

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 1>And I was just thinking, Sarah, like, I mean, I

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 1>get why people like vell for you. You're so sweet

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:22.080
<v Speaker 1>and also like you have such a caring nature about you.

0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:24.760
<v Speaker 1>And I was even just thinking just the like feeling

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.080
<v Speaker 1>it in your body, like really, all you need to

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:28.719
<v Speaker 1>say is thank you. Although it helps to have like

0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>a stable of things that you do actually mean, but

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>it is hard to like feel it. It feels like electricity,

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:38.120
<v Speaker 1>right because it's exciting and you do feel seen and

0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:41.439
<v Speaker 1>then to be like thank you it's it does take. Um.

0:50:41.480 --> 0:50:44.120
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a skill actually to hold that energy

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:47.560
<v Speaker 1>of someone else's so uh, I totally get it. And

0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you're right though, to be like thank you, thank you,

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like you don't want that either, So yeah, it's

0:50:52.960 --> 0:50:56.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of seems like a practice for you in presence

0:50:56.680 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>that you're looking for. Yeah, you keep practicing that, and then,

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:01.880
<v Speaker 1>like you know, after the first three or four weeks,

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be second hat to you. And that's

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:05.960
<v Speaker 1>when you get into good habits. It's so easy to

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 1>rehabituate yourself, definitely, And I do want to make space

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.400
<v Speaker 1>for people just like you're saying to acknowledge that. I

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:15.320
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate them taking that minute to be like, hey,

0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:18.000
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing is kind of different, and so I

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 1>just love those answers and I really appreciate that. Well,

0:51:21.520 --> 0:51:24.239
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much practicing Yeah, oh there there you

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.320
<v Speaker 1>know God, And I missed it because I was busy

0:51:26.320 --> 0:51:30.360
<v Speaker 1>saying thank you, but thank you for calling in. That

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.200
<v Speaker 1>was a very upbeat way for us to wrap up

0:51:32.200 --> 0:51:34.960
<v Speaker 1>our episode today. So we love that always. Thanks to me.

0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:40.719
<v Speaker 1>You n keep killing it, Thanks Sarah, thank you. Okay, Yeah,

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that was a good That was a good last call Katherine,

0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:46.760
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, I know what talk about upbeat. I'm calling

0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>into figure out how to say thank you more and

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 1>more sincerely. I like it was about to faun and

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I was like no, no, no, like stop, um, I

0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>actually like give compliments. That's like part of like one

0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:00.600
<v Speaker 1>issue I have. I give compliments a lot. I mean

0:52:00.680 --> 0:52:03.279
<v Speaker 1>them all, I really do. But it's like it's it's

0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:06.160
<v Speaker 1>also like I need to hold the thing, like I

0:52:06.239 --> 0:52:10.600
<v Speaker 1>just love you and could I could veil, but it's

0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.840
<v Speaker 1>actually important for me to just hold how much I

0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:16.280
<v Speaker 1>love you. So like I was feeling that about Sarah

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:19.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's like it's it's funny holding energy is like

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, we kind of spill over and it's

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:23.680
<v Speaker 1>like Instagram you like and you like and you know,

0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I know what you mean. I'm like not in Instagram today,

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.120
<v Speaker 1>but um, you know, just our world is designed for

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.879
<v Speaker 1>like these like little compulsion check boxes. And I get

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>where she's coming from. Yeah, but I think that makes

0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>you unique, you know what I mean. It's a nice quality,

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>like holding back your affection or being effusive about somebody

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.279
<v Speaker 1>is when it's sincere, which it always is with you.

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.680
<v Speaker 1>I think people can also read that, and I think

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:47.680
<v Speaker 1>that you know, you don't want to like monitor your

0:52:47.719 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>personality in that way. You may think you're over doing it,

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:52.640
<v Speaker 1>but like even you mentioning Joe, I was like, I

0:52:52.640 --> 0:52:54.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't see that at all, you know what I mean.

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>So that's our own personal thing. That's like me always

0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 1>I always had that with inserting myself. That's something I

0:53:00.160 --> 0:53:02.879
<v Speaker 1>should hold back on because it's not necessary all the time.

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 1>But when you're bringing joy and giving somebody props that

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.799
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing ever wrong with that, right, Well, it's like

0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm measuring the balance between I mean, it is always sincere,

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 1>but it's like I don't want it to be a compulsion.

0:53:13.120 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit like you know, just like coming

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 1>all over somebody where it's like you know, like it

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:21.600
<v Speaker 1>also like puts this spotlight on people that as Sara said,

0:53:21.640 --> 0:53:24.440
<v Speaker 1>it is like there's a balance there. You know. It's

0:53:24.440 --> 0:53:26.359
<v Speaker 1>a little bit for me to let them know how

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I feel where it's like for me to walk away

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.799
<v Speaker 1>today like oh, Chelseie, you know there's part there's part

0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>of it for me to hold and just enjoy. Well, yeah,

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 1>I hear what you're saying. Yeah, we're always I know

0:53:37.680 --> 0:53:41.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a constant of self examination, especially if you're you know,

0:53:41.520 --> 0:53:43.800
<v Speaker 1>like to be enlightened or like to think of yourself

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.640
<v Speaker 1>in the process of being enlightened, because we can't say

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.080
<v Speaker 1>enlightened because then we're cooked, and then there would be

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:50.920
<v Speaker 1>no reason to be here. That's right, at least that's

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:54.799
<v Speaker 1>what I keep telling myself. It's true. It's a climb. Well,

0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 1>one last thing, Alanna, do you have a piece of

0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.680
<v Speaker 1>advice you'd like to ask Chelsea about? Yes, you know

0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:05.120
<v Speaker 1>these days as stand up is an amorphous process compared

0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to what it used to be, which was so clear

0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:09.759
<v Speaker 1>you just get out and do it and try. I

0:54:09.800 --> 0:54:14.040
<v Speaker 1>am curious how you are dealing with COVID on tour.

0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious how you know? Are you like you know,

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>are you vaxed all the way such that you're like

0:54:21.120 --> 0:54:22.960
<v Speaker 1>I did all that I can do. I gotta live

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>my life. Are you you know? Here I am with

0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 1>this mask? What what? How are you dealing with it? Well?

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:32.719
<v Speaker 1>I have maccination vaccination requirements at the venues, so if

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:34.880
<v Speaker 1>they're not vaccinated, then they have to get a PCR

0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:36.920
<v Speaker 1>test at the venue. Like in Detroit, that was a

0:54:36.960 --> 0:54:38.400
<v Speaker 1>city I remember we had to start in an hour

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.800
<v Speaker 1>and a half late because there were two hundred people

0:54:40.880 --> 0:54:44.600
<v Speaker 1>online getting getting their PCR tests because they were not

0:54:44.640 --> 0:54:47.399
<v Speaker 1>bad because they were not vaccinated. And is that can

0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 1>you do that no matter what the state? I don't

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 1>know the rules behind that because my my tours with

0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Live Nation, so there are a lot of Live Nation venues,

0:54:54.600 --> 0:54:58.560
<v Speaker 1>all Live Nation venues. It's mandatory vaccination. I'm vaxed, boosted

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.799
<v Speaker 1>and I do meet great though with with people they

0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:03.680
<v Speaker 1>have to have proof of vaccination to come back there.

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 1>We all wear masks. There's no like taking off the masks.

0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, if we say hello, we take a picture

0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of blah blah blah. So you know, you have to

0:55:10.960 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 1>obviously be a little bit safer than you would be

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in your own like home. But it's doable and it's

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.680
<v Speaker 1>worth it. For me, it's totally worthwhile. And once you

0:55:19.960 --> 0:55:22.920
<v Speaker 1>start getting out there, you're going to feel like the

0:55:23.080 --> 0:55:27.279
<v Speaker 1>energy now you know, the stand up, having live performances

0:55:27.280 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>and live crowds, and you are doing a service for

0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 1>people like you are coming to their city and you

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<v Speaker 1>are showing up for them, and they value that. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so ready for it. I miss I miss everybody. I know, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready. I can't wait for your next one hour.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't wait. Yeah, her last hours on Amazon,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, right, called the Planet is burning. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>planet is burning. Yeah. If you If you guys want

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<v Speaker 1>to tune into that too, and don't forget to check

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<v Speaker 1>out False Positive if you haven't seen that, that's on Hulu,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, Okay, so check that out too, and follow

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of Glazer on Instagram. I can't say it

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<v Speaker 1>anymore because sweep and bad mothing at all, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just calling an instrument crown instat Glazier. Thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for having me. This is so much fun. Thank you Allana.

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<v Speaker 1>I always love seeing you. You're always learning always I'm

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<v Speaker 1>always learning from you. I love you, Chelsea hand Job,

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<v Speaker 1>I really love you. And if you'd like to get

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<v Speaker 1>advice from Chelsea and one of her guests, please write

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<v Speaker 1>into Dear Chelsea Project at gmail dot com