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Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on.

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Speaker 1: A fantstic, amazing Tuesday. Here's what we're gonna do. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about the media. Jim Acosta did one of

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Speaker 1: one of the grosser things I've ever seen from the media.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty difficult to shock at this point, but he

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Speaker 1: managed to pull it off. We'll talk about that in

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Speaker 1: a moment. We'll make fun of John Cornyn doing exactly

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Speaker 1: what I told you he was going to do. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to some emails. We have heavyweight boxer Ed Lattimore

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Speaker 1: coming up about a half hour from now. It's always

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Speaker 1: cool to talk to those guys, heavyweight boxers, and Ed

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Speaker 1: can actually talk. So many of those heavyweight boxers just

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Speaker 1: don't talk very well anymore. What Chris, Yeah, Chris, it's

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Speaker 1: not healthy be punched in the head for a living.

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Speaker 1: But Ed's wonderful. So we're going to talk to Ed

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Speaker 1: and do all kinds of stuff. Now, I'm gonna play

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Speaker 1: something for you. I could tell you what it is

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Speaker 1: ahead of time, but I'm gonna play it for you. You

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Speaker 1: remember who Jim Acosta is. Jim Acosta was the CNN

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Speaker 1: reporter during Trump's first four years who was always doing

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Speaker 1: the theater kid routine during the press conferences, making it

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Speaker 1: all about him. Just the ultimate theater kid, Just an

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Speaker 1: embarrassing commie human being. He's sat down. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I should say for an interview, but I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what. I'll just play it. Be ready to be

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Speaker 1: creeped out when I tell you what it.

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Speaker 2: Is, Boaquin, I would like to know what your solution

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Speaker 2: would be for gun violence.

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Speaker 4: Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun

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Speaker 4: control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. We need

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Speaker 4: to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure

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Speaker 4: everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture

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Speaker 4: of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea, Joaquen.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to be creeped out?

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Speaker 2: You may.

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Speaker 1: You may want to go start the shower right now,

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Speaker 1: because when I tell you what that was, you're going

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Speaker 1: to need to clean yourself. I'm just warning you. Joaquen Oliver.

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Speaker 1: Joaquen Oliver was one of the students who was murdered

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Speaker 1: by that monster in the Florida school shooting Parkland. You

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Speaker 1: remember that the Parkland school shooting, Joaquen Oliver lost his

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Speaker 1: life to a madman. So maybe you're asking how was

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Speaker 1: Jim Acosta interviewing him and he was spouting off gun

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Speaker 1: control talking points. Jim Acosta interviewed in AI version of

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Speaker 1: Joaquin Oliver, who is dead artificial intelligence. It's not real.

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Speaker 1: It's a computer model, and Jim Acosta interviewed it. He

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Speaker 1: interviewed it obviously for gun control propaganda, so you can

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Speaker 1: be disarmed. Let me play it for you again. Joaquin

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Speaker 1: is not real, Joaquin.

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Speaker 2: I would like to know what your solution would be

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Speaker 2: for gun violence.

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Speaker 4: Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun

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Speaker 4: control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. We need

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Speaker 4: everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture

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Speaker 4: of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you're there wondering how any human being could go

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Speaker 1: to sleep at night knowing they're interviewing AI dead children

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Speaker 1: in order to push gun control. How could you do that?

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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think, what's something I'm majorly passionate

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Speaker 1: about pro life. I'm majorly passionate or about pro life.

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Speaker 1: What if they could create an ai dead baby that

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Speaker 1: could talk to me and say, I wish mommy hadn't

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Speaker 1: have killed me. I would never, in a million years

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Speaker 1: even consider doing something so soulless and creepy and awful

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Speaker 1: and evil in every way. These people do this stuff

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Speaker 1: how they're religious fanatics. They are religious fanatics. I have

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Speaker 1: told you before, if you want to understand how these

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Speaker 1: people really think, you would be better off instead of

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Speaker 1: studying politics or democrats, or reading this book or that book,

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Speaker 1: you would be better off studying Islamic jihad. Radical Islamic jihad.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the terrorists who blow themselves up in

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Speaker 1: that he should go do something terrible. He should go

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of these horrible things, how in the world

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Speaker 1: could anybody justify doing that? How could you think you're

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Speaker 1: doing it for God. That's how communists think about their revolution.

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Speaker 1: They are in a revolution to attack and destroy every

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Speaker 1: they think they are the good guys in this fight,

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Speaker 1: and they will do anything. How could they lie line

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Speaker 1: God wants me to how could you interview an a

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Speaker 1: high version of a dead high school kid. Well, our enemies,

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Speaker 1: the enemies of the revolution, they're armed. You see, they

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Speaker 1: have all these guns. We know we're going to need

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Speaker 1: we have to be able to physically hurt these people.

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Speaker 1: We can't physically hurt these people if they have all

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Speaker 1: of these guns. Therefore, we need to disarm our enemies

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Speaker 1: by any means necessary, and so if it means coming

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Speaker 1: up with an AI model of a dead child in

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Speaker 1: order to push gun control well, that's what the revolution demands.

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Speaker 1: Soulless radical jihattis, It's exactly what they are. Radical jihattis.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do some emails. Jesse, why is Trump

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Speaker 1: suddenly allowing Lindsey Graham to conduct foreign policy? Okay, So

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into the rest of this

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Speaker 1: email because there's a lot of body words that I

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Speaker 1: can't try to win my way through. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna set the email aside for a moment. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that I would say at all that Trump is

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Speaker 1: allowing Lindsey Graham to conduct forum policy. I will say this, Trump,

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Speaker 1: as we've discussed before, is excellent at form policy because

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Speaker 1: he views everything as a business deal or everything that

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Speaker 1: can be solved by doing business. So if you have

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Speaker 1: these two companies, look Cambodia and Thailand, they're fighting each other,

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Speaker 1: what does he do?

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Speaker 1: Hey, what don't we work out of there? We'll just

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Speaker 1: in trade with you and we'll get some things going

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Speaker 1: for you, and let's stop. Put the missile stap, put

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Speaker 1: the guns down, Let's do a deal. Let's just do

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Speaker 1: a deal. Everyone wins. We'll do a deal. We'll be

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Speaker 1: extremely effective. It's an excellent way to conduct forum policy,

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Speaker 1: but it doesn't work everywhere. You know, Iran Israel. I

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Speaker 1: mean I ignored it the night they announced the ceasefire, and

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Speaker 1: Trump got mad, dropped the F bomb about it. They

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Speaker 1: don't know what the beep they're doing. Why is he

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Speaker 1: so mad? He doesn't understand. Hey, I just said, we

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Speaker 1: have a deal. We have a deal. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: give something to you, and you were going to get

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Speaker 1: why are you doing this? We have a deal. There

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Speaker 1: are places that don't want a deal. They're not interested

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Speaker 1: in a business deal or private jets. They're not interested

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Speaker 1: in those things. They're interested in killing each other until

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Speaker 1: one of them wins. For somebody who's used to doing

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Speaker 1: deals his entire life in getting things done like that,

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Speaker 1: that's very frustrating. I when Trump lost it on camera,

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Speaker 1: and he never trashes Net and Yahoo publicly, but he

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Speaker 1: dogged on him by name publicly, and I know they're

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Speaker 1: closed by name. Two people who don't know what the

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Speaker 1: and I got it entirely. Hey, I sent my people

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Speaker 1: both of you are crapping all over it. Don't you

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Speaker 1: want a deal? Some places don't want to deal. That

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Speaker 1: actually leads me perfectly to putin and what he just

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Speaker 1: said before we get to putin American made. American manufacturing

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Speaker 1: is something a lot of people brag about. You know

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Speaker 1: that Berna, b y Rna, the Burna launchers, those compact

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Speaker 1: launchers that shoot the pepper balls and tear gas balls.

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Speaker 1: You know they put those things together in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Do you know that after they had started Burna, they

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Speaker 1: dug in and figured out how to make it all here.

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Speaker 1: That became a passion project. It wasn't all sales, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we want to sell to this private security company. No,

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Speaker 1: they wanted to make it in America. I like American

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Speaker 1: made stuff, and there's nothing more American than Berna. And

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Speaker 1: it will keep you alive, maybe your husband alive, maybe

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Speaker 1: your wife alive. School seasons coming. Are you about to

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Speaker 1: a bad guy? They're legal in all fifty states. You

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about or getting arrested, no permit needed.

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Speaker 1: They'll mail it right to your door. Hey, employers, do

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Speaker 1: you think maybe your employees should have something so when

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Speaker 1: that durrained psychopath shows up to kill everyone, they have something. Employers,

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Speaker 1: b hy Rna Berna dot com. Go get one. We'll

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Speaker 1: be back. He doesn't care if you believe him, but

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Speaker 1: he's right.

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Speaker 3: Jesse Kelly, it is a Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,

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Speaker 3: wonderful Tuesday. Remember you can email the show Jesse at

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Speaker 3: Jesse kellyshow dot com. We got heavyweight boxer Ed Lattimore

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Speaker 3: coming up about ten minutes from now. But along the

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Speaker 3: lines of what we were just talking about, and I'll

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Speaker 3: do some emails. But Donald Trump wants wars to end,

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Speaker 3: and he deserves all the credit in the world for that.

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Speaker 3: When they start, whether or not they started before him

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Speaker 3: or started after he gets here, he just wants to

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Speaker 3: do a deal. Let's everyone make some money, Let's stop

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Speaker 3: the fighting. So what has happened, Just let's briefly go

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Speaker 3: over this again. With Russia, Ukraine, Russia, they have a goal.

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Speaker 3: It's not to take all of Ukraine. But they want

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Speaker 3: specific regions. There are actually four of them they want.

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Speaker 3: They want four regions and they want all of them.

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Speaker 3: They have honestly most of them. They want them. They

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Speaker 1: They're the most valuable regions in uk We're talking warm

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Speaker 1: the only warm water port, valuable resources. Also, the people

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Speaker 1: We don't have to go over the history again, We've

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Speaker 1: done that before, So they're not leaving. Trump keeps trying

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Speaker 1: you have seen or heard about Trump blasting away at India.

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Speaker 1: He has publicly blasted India a couple times over the

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Speaker 1: past couple of days, threatening them with tariffs. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he announced he's slapping a big fat tariff on him earlier.

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Speaker 1: Why is he doing that? Did he just get into

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Speaker 1: some bad Indian food? No, it's not that at all.

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Speaker 1: As if there's good Indian food, it's not that at all. Well,

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Speaker 1: how has Russia been able to keep going? They've been

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Speaker 1: fighting this war for years. They've lost a bunch of men,

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Speaker 1: but they're losing a bunch of equipment too. This is

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Speaker 1: Texas's economy. And I realized Texas's economy is big. But

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Speaker 5: And I want to say I got lucky. I mean

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Speaker 5: I chose the school. I mean, I guess I got

432
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Speaker 5: to chose a poor school, but it was a it

433
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 5: was an educated decision. But I did get lucky in

434
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Speaker 5: the sense that I was born with the agency and

435
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Speaker 5: sense to know that I need to do something different.

436
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Speaker 5: I didn't like change the school thinking it would change

437
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Speaker 5: my life. I just didn't want to be be bullied,

438
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 5: harassed and picked on and then have to worry about

439
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 5: fighting every day. And I wanted to be, like, you know,

440
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 5: in a cool or a less stressful environment. That's all

441
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Speaker 5: it was for me is it's trying to be in

442
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Speaker 5: a less stressful environment. And it turned out to be

443
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 5: easily like in terms of the scope of my entire life.

444
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 5: The best decision I made. It all started when I

445
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Speaker 5: was fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Who is the animal that bullied at Latimore?

447
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Speaker 5: Man? Look, I grew up in a public housing project.

448
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 5: You know, you get bullied. I always hesitate to call

449
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 5: it bullying because one thing you do learn coming up

450
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 5: on My mom instilled this in us really hard. You

451
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 5: fight every time somebody tries to fight, to make sure

452
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Speaker 5: they understand that there's a cost. So you know, then

453
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 5: they're gonna call me names whatever. I'm not gonna swing

454
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Speaker 5: on that. But people didn't really put hands with me

455
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Speaker 5: after the first few times guys tried to put hands

456
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: on me because they had to decide if it was

457
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 5: worth what was gonna come. I didn't know whether I

458
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Speaker 5: want to lost to fight. There was gonna be a fight,

459
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 5: and a lot of guys don't have to taste for that.

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00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 5: That's just but that's psychological. You got to push against

461
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: every thing that tries to push against you to let

462
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Speaker 5: it know you're not gonna go quietly into the night

463
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Speaker 5: kind of deal.

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Speaker 1: He is Ed Lattimore, author of the book Hard Lessons

465
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Speaker 1: from the Hurt Business.

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Speaker 3: Ed.

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Speaker 1: I probably should have asked, because I know you're on

468
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: a book tour right now, but can you give me

469
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Speaker 1: a couple more minutes after the break real quick? I

470
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: want to ask you because there are people listening who

471
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: want to get Maybe they're not going to be Ed Latimore,

472
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: but they want to get in shape. They're may be

473
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: interested in this kind of stuff, how to improve themselves.

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Speaker 1: You got a couple more minutes for that.

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Speaker 5: Oh for you, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Man, appreciate you, brother. All Right, we're gon, we're gonna

477
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Speaker 1: go to break. We're gonna come right back. I got

478
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Speaker 1: a couple more questions for heavyweight boxer author Ed Lattimore

479
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: before before we get to that. You don't have to

480
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: hurt because relief factor is here. That's why, right, Maybe

481
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: relief factor. Maybe it's the cure for the hurt business. Chris,

482
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Look, I can't say. What I do

483
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: know is it's one hundred percent drug free. It's a

484
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: supplement you take every single day that will turn down

485
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Speaker 1: and eventually turn off the pain in your life. The

486
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: things you used to do that you would still do

487
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: if it didn't hurt. What if you're doing them again

488
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: in a month, two months? How much would that better

489
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: your life in every possible way?

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Speaker 4: Go?

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00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Just try it, Just try it, give it three weeks,

492
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Speaker 1: and all I'm asking don't order anymore. If it doesn't work,

493
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: give it three weeks, you will order more. It's miraculous.

494
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Speaker 1: One eight hundred the number four relief or relief Factor

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Speaker 1: dot Com. We'll be right back with that. Hang on,

496
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: you're listening to the ouricle you love this life.

497
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Speaker 5: It's a scream Baby.

498
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Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly's Show.

499
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: I still can't believe the first time we had Ed

500
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: Lattimore on the show, he picks some rap song which

501
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: I actually liked, and now he's playing Fleetwood Mac. It's

502
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: just wild to me. Okay, before we get back to boxing.

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Speaker 1: I understand you are a relatively recent father, and actually

504
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Speaker 1: said something on social media yesterday about how I don't

505
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth. It makes you

506
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Speaker 1: angry at your father. And I've felt this forever that

507
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Speaker 1: I don't understand. I don't understand how you can grow

508
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: up without a father, with a bad father and then

509
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: repeat that psycle. Especially once you hold that wonderful little

510
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: baby in your hands, you can't help but love it.

511
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Speaker 1: Don't you want to raise it and teach it stuff

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Speaker 1: and be there with it. I totally got what you

513
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Speaker 1: were saying.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, I didn't think about my dad

515
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 5: for a very long time. He died when I was eighteen.

516
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 5: He wasn't really around, and it wasn't until I was old.

517
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Speaker 5: My son one night when he's doing what babies do,

518
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Speaker 5: which is cry and be fussy, and I'm just like, man,

519
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 5: this is miserable. But at the same time, I wouldn't

520
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 5: want to be anywhere else. That's part of the gig, right,

521
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Speaker 5: And it's a cool part of the gig. You can't

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Speaker 5: skip that. And I felt that loving protection that I

523
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 5: guess you're you feel. And then I was like, why,

524
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Speaker 5: what What in the world motivated my dad to like

525
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 5: not want to be in our lives and and that

526
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 5: really really bugged me when I started to think about it,

527
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 5: because I hadn't thought about it for for a long time.

528
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 5: I just hadn't and then see and my son, it

529
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 5: was overwhelming. I was like, look, man, I don't even

530
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 5: like going to the store, like because I got to

531
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Speaker 5: be here with you. Oh you know. I try and

532
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: get him to come and still get caught with me.

533
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Speaker 5: He's like, uh sometimes, but right now he's in the phase.

534
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Speaker 5: Was like, hey, he says, I want to stay with

535
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Speaker 5: my min and I'm like, okay, you can, you can

536
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: stay with my but like that's what I mean. It's

537
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: it's a very different feeling for you or rather, you

538
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 5: process old feelings very differently what new experiences, and that

539
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: experience really really brought up some memories that I didn't

540
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Speaker 5: even know. Are some feelings I didn't even know. I

541
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Speaker 5: hadn't get the process.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not about that. Tell his mama to enjoy

543
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 1: his time now, because I'm telling you, as a man

544
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: with two sons, they will slowly but surely separate from her.

545
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: And now I can't get rid of them. They're in

546
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Speaker 1: my back pocket all the time, all right. Boxing and

547
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: people are out of shape. A lot of people are

548
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: out of shape. Look me, I'm not some Greek god either.

549
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: How do they start? Is that something people should be

550
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: interested in? People get older, they don't want to get hurt,

551
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: they don't want to get their head taken off. There

552
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Speaker 1: is there something for normal people in that arena?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure.

554
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Speaker 3: You know.

555
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 5: Look, most people don't fight professionally. They don't fight the

556
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: amateur league. I mean, I tell young men that I

557
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: think you should all at least have an amateur fight

558
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: or two, you know, to see what it's like. But

559
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 5: anyone can can join a gym and learn how to

560
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: throw punchers and get the cardio benefits you don't have

561
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 5: to get in the ring, and what's abody to fight? Now?

562
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Speaker 5: If you do, way more power to you. I think

563
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 5: that's great too. But if you're just looking for a

564
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 5: nice introduction, you don't You don't need to get in

565
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: the ring, you know, or you don't need to fight,

566
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Speaker 5: is what I should say.

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Speaker 1: Ed Lattimore. The book is hard Lessons from the Hurt Business.

568
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Speaker 1: Ed Where can people get it?

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Speaker 5: You can get it anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 5: This is my first book with a publishing house, and

572
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 5: one thing they do great is distribution. Somebody sent me

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Speaker 5: a pre order receipt from Target. I was like, wow,

574
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Speaker 5: I didn't even know you could do that, but yeah,

575
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 5: you can get an Amazon, Barnes and Noble. I read

576
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 5: the audio book myself. I fully understand why they got

577
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 5: to pay people to read books, even their own. And

578
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: it's a long process and it's one of those things

579
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: no one really warned you about about it. But it

580
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 5: was okay, I you know, funny, just funny, quick story. Uh.

581
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Speaker 5: The first we had the schedule for three days and

582
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Speaker 5: by the end of the first day we were we

583
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 5: were pretty far behind because I forgot my glasses at home.

584
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Speaker 5: I'm at that age where I need my glasses to read.

585
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: I can't make a mistakes. I couldn't tell it everything

586
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 5: like bad and bad. But when I brought my glass

587
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 5: the second day, we actually got caught up like and

588
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 5: then blew past it. But it was a good Philly.

589
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 5: So if you read the books, you get to hear

590
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 5: me narrated, which I think is really important for this

591
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 5: type of story to hear the person who wrote it.

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00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: True story ed. I've only written one book, and I

593
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: don't have any intention to write another one. But the

594
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: day too told me to do an audiobook and read

595
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: it myself, and I was so screwed up that I

596
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: read like the first chapter really really slow to where

597
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: I found like that i'd been It sounded like I'd

598
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: been punched in the head my entire life. I couldn't

599
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: sound anything out. I screwed the whole thing up and

600
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: it was miserable. I may end up doing another one

601
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Speaker 1: one day. I'm never reading another one ever.

602
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you like I always thought I thought it

603
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: was funny. When they were like, yeah, we'll pay you

604
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 5: this amile, which is the standard rate. I'm like, I'm

605
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 5: just a regular God, I'm not a voice actor. And

606
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: then I did it, and I said, yeah, you had

607
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 5: to pay me to do that like that, I thought

608
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Speaker 5: I do for free.

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Speaker 3: He is at Latimore Hard Lessons from the Hurt Business

610
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 3: is the book.

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00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, my brother. I appreciate you com back sometime.

612
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: I've always thought I've always thought that would be quite

613
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: a feeling walking towards the ring of a boxing match.

614
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: You know what's going through your mind. I remember George

615
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Speaker 1: Saint Pierre. He was in a boxer. He was a

616
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Speaker 1: big MMA fighter. Corey will remember him. Chris is twelve,

617
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: so he won't unless he started in a comedy. Chris

618
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: wouldn't know. But George Saint Pierre was one of the

619
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 1: great MMA UFC fighters of all time. And I watched

620
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: him do some interview one time and he said, now,

621
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: this is a bad dude. I watched George Saint Pierre

622
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: beat the living crap out of the baddest dudes on

623
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: the planet many many times before, so we're not talking

624
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: a normal person like you or me. It's a bad dude.

625
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: He was doing this interview and he said, before fights,

626
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: I guess one's different. He was so scared every single

627
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: time that he used to fantasize about the building losing power.

628
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: So he didn't go out to fight, and he said

629
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: he would. He would put it into his mind so badly.

630
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: He'd be looking up at the lights, wanting the power

631
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: of the building to go out, so we didn't have

632
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: to fight. What Chris, But that's a very good point, Chris.

633
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: Chris said, do you get nervous walking into a new restaurant.

634
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: That's a good point. It's something I'm so great at

635
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: that I don't feel fear, not the way mortal people

636
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: feel fear when they're walking into a restaurant. I know

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00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I've mastered this. I'm the master at this. The menu whisper.

638
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I practically struck into the restaurant, and I

639
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: know I know that I'll deliver. I will deliver for me,

640
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: I'll deliver for those around me if they use to

641
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: lean on my incredible skill set. So in a way,

642
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: I'm just like a heavyweight boxer. All Right, we still

643
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: have another hour, and we have all kinds of stuff.

644
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: I should probably get to a bunch of emails and

645
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: things about you know what, let's talk about viewership. If

646
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Speaker 1: the media is losing all these viewers, how are they

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Speaker 1: still in business. Let's talk about that. Next,