Speaker 1: There was no book on how to escape with crits alive.
Speaker 1: You know, there's no book. You know when it comes
Speaker 1: to even like when they say, why do you even
Speaker 1: stay in there? Because we don't know no other way
Speaker 1: like leaving it and feels like you're dying, they seemed
Speaker 1: to keep themselves alive, you know, especially the chapel mind.
Speaker 2: They make out really so many enemies.
Speaker 1: And status and but you know, I wish I had
Speaker 1: like surrounded by friends that weren't drug dealers and weren't
Speaker 1: on the street, and that they were all like stockbrokers
Speaker 1: and were estay investors. I just wish my dad was
Speaker 1: just worked at a factor.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that we were organized escape like out
Speaker 2: of this kind of unharmed.
Speaker 1: But trying to imagine myself like, you know, spending the
Speaker 1: rest of my life in prison, I felt like I
Speaker 1: couldn't like bring I could. I was so fucked like
Speaker 1: so like I can't say it's secured. It was just
Speaker 1: like this ugly overwhelming family of touching the walls like
Speaker 1: and holding.
Speaker 2: On till iget, Like what what did I do? Like
Speaker 2: what did I just do to myself?
Speaker 1: Hey, it's fifty.
Speaker 3: Cents and I'm Charlie Webster.
Speaker 4: This is surviv and Ol Chapeau, the twins who brought
Speaker 4: down a drug Ward Season two.
Speaker 5: When you've been raised in a life like this, prison
Speaker 5: vibes are something you know well. The twins father was
Speaker 5: in there when they were born and stayed there for
Speaker 5: the first seven years of their lives. Their drug career
Speaker 5: only started because their older brother of my and was
Speaker 5: sent to prison when Jay and Pep was seventeen. They
Speaker 5: did anything to avoid prison life. Only a year before
Speaker 5: turning themselves in, he said he'd rather die than end
Speaker 5: up locked.
Speaker 1: Up a real riskt bullying in my head.
Speaker 2: Than to go to prison.
Speaker 4: Breaking the cycle and giving their own kids a choice
Speaker 4: that they never had a chance at a normal life
Speaker 4: meant choosing to go to prison, the one place they
Speaker 4: spent their lives running from, and came at the cost
Speaker 4: of their own father's life, who was murdered by the
Speaker 4: cartel because of what they did. The consequences of their
Speaker 4: decision were slowly starting to sink in huddled together in
Speaker 4: a tiny cell in the special housing unit the shoe
Speaker 4: of mcc Chicago, with no idea when or if they
Speaker 4: would be free again.
Speaker 1: I haven't made been so called that the war would
Speaker 1: literally have ice on them. And I remember my brother
Speaker 1: and I were so cold that we slept on the
Speaker 1: same bed next to each other to keep each other
Speaker 1: one And I remember the card saying, hey, you guys
Speaker 1: can't do that, and I was like, he's my brother,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Now one of you guys that get up on another bed,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you gets a shot. And I got
Speaker 2: right up.
Speaker 4: A shot is prison slang for a disciplinary infraction, also
Speaker 4: known as a ticket.
Speaker 1: And I was like, they're gonna gets a right up. Like,
Speaker 1: what's the worst thing? I haven't wearing the shoe. You know,
Speaker 1: it's already hard to be living in this in the
Speaker 1: shoe in the hole.
Speaker 2: Now we gotta deal with the cold.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, damn, imagine dealing with the hot, like
Speaker 1: you're just never gonna be you know, it's not made
Speaker 1: to be comfortable, or like the lights are on all night.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta make yourself an eye cover and
Speaker 1: it's just weird thing. I don't understand how that helps.
Speaker 4: Because of what they were doing and the reach of
Speaker 4: the cartel, Pete and j were huge targets. They were
Speaker 4: put in the WHITSEC program witness protection inside prison.
Speaker 1: Sometime we call it phase one, phase two or like,
Speaker 1: but it's not that.
Speaker 2: It's just like witness.
Speaker 1: Protection where you're incurcerated while you're in prison, and there's
Speaker 1: witness protection for you know, when you're free.
Speaker 6: So what's witness protection mean in prison?
Speaker 1: It means that it's just it means that you're gonna
Speaker 1: be safe, but they're gonna add a series of rules
Speaker 1: and you don't get all the privileges that normally like
Speaker 1: normal prisoners get. It's the cost of like being safe.
Speaker 1: They have rules that could be like punishing with like
Speaker 1: disciplinary action, so you c you can't use your name,
Speaker 1: and you can't say certain things. Just you don't get emails,
Speaker 1: you don't get like certain things that could come back
Speaker 1: and people could kind of get a hold of me
Speaker 1: they kind of mind it. Or who you would talk
Speaker 1: to or who you can't.
Speaker 6: Did you feel like you needed witness protection in prison?
Speaker 6: Did you feel like there would have been you know,
Speaker 6: like hits on you in prison?
Speaker 2: I need, oh for sure.
Speaker 1: And one thing like it doesn't matter who you're telling
Speaker 1: if you're a snitch, which is kind of like gronded
Speaker 1: because there's the majority of those people in some way
Speaker 1: somehow cooperating, so I remember it. I would be bored
Speaker 1: sometimes and they'll be like, all you snitches, all you
Speaker 1: wanna die? And I would just sometime I'll argue with them,
Speaker 1: be like, why are you mad?
Speaker 2: Mind your business? I'm I'll be like, why are you here?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Eventually I won the whole shoe over.
Speaker 1: They got tired of what could they do? It's just
Speaker 1: us arguing back and forth, and I just me and
Speaker 1: my brother would make everyone laugh and like if we
Speaker 1: had to do something with our time, like just cause
Speaker 1: you're stuck there sitting there. And then what happened was
Speaker 1: that next you know, some people, some associations start coming
Speaker 1: up to the show, and now they know.
Speaker 6: That we're there, Associates that you'd again like in corporated
Speaker 6: on ended up getting put.
Speaker 2: In this show with you under showing.
Speaker 1: People started kind of finding out like who we were.
Speaker 1: They'll be like, yo, I it is the Twins here,
Speaker 1: Like here's the Twins. I know that I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: survived if I didn't have wines protection.
Speaker 4: With the Twins on the inside setting up their customers
Speaker 4: was going to get suspicious.
Speaker 3: If they weren't there in person.
Speaker 4: Someone needed to do the dirty work on the outside,
Speaker 4: and it couldn't be just anyone, It had to be
Speaker 4: another floorers.
Speaker 3: The FEDS pulled in Jay's wife, Val.
Speaker 7: They asked for my help, and because Jay and Peter
Speaker 7: were no longer on the streets anymore, I assisted them.
Speaker 7: There were certain missing pieces that they needed. They needed
Speaker 7: me to turn in the ledgers. I went to the
Speaker 7: US Attorney's office and took two computer towers full of
Speaker 7: Jay and peters. You know they're drug ledgers.
Speaker 4: VAL's job wasn't just a turn in ledgers and find
Speaker 4: missing pieces. She also had to essentially go under cover
Speaker 4: for the FEDS at the direction of the lead prosecutor,
Speaker 4: Thomas Shakeshaft, even going as far as wearing a wire
Speaker 4: to help convict the twins.
Speaker 1: Customers the customer friend of mine. His name was Kylie Murray.
Speaker 1: He went by the nickname like c Ali. He was
Speaker 1: one of my closest customers we had. He was one
Speaker 1: of my first customers. Kylie was like a big target
Speaker 1: for the DA in Chicago prior to me and my
Speaker 1: brother training ourselves in and they they insisted they wanted
Speaker 1: us to cooperate against them. We had a Lamborghini parked
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and he went and he stole the Lamborghini,
Speaker 1: even though he owed me like five million dollars. The
Speaker 1: fifth came and asked about the car, and they knew
Speaker 1: he had it because I would see the re surveillance
Speaker 1: him and you know, it was our car. And you know,
Speaker 1: once we started talking about that, they you know, they
Speaker 1: wanted us to cooperate against him, and he had owed
Speaker 1: us all this money, and they had asked Val if
Speaker 1: she could reach out to him and give him like
Speaker 1: a face story that my older brother was and continue
Speaker 1: to sell drugs if he would be willing to buy
Speaker 1: on purchason. And Val met up with him and he
Speaker 1: gave her two hundred thousand and she gave him the
Speaker 1: title for the car.
Speaker 4: Kylie Murray, also known as Hollywood, was one of the Twins'
Speaker 4: biggest customers because of the cooperation the Flores family were providing.
Speaker 4: Kylie Murray was one of the many people arrested in
Speaker 4: Kylie's case.
Speaker 3: It was for his part in a cocaine trafficking ring
Speaker 3: worth one point eight billion dollars.
Speaker 4: One night, whilst Kylie was out on bail, he was
Speaker 4: walking home and two men pulled up in a white van.
Speaker 4: They got out, shot him dead, and then sped off.
Speaker 4: Val kept the two hundred thousand dollars that Kylie Murray
Speaker 4: gave her before he was arrested. According to Val, prosecutors
Speaker 4: told her she.
Speaker 3: Could keep it.
Speaker 4: VAL's cooperation with the Feds included a number of sessions
Speaker 4: where she would sit and profit giving the government as
Speaker 4: much information as.
Speaker 3: They wanted in order to help the brother's case.
Speaker 7: I had to sit down with the government, and there
Speaker 7: was different prosecutors there. There were supervisors there, there was
Speaker 7: agents there, and so you have all these different departments
Speaker 7: that are sitting in one room, and everybody is asking
Speaker 7: me questions. And I noticed that when I would bring
Speaker 7: up certain things, it's like they would hush me because
Speaker 7: they only wanted to speak about certain subjects. They didn't
Speaker 7: want me to get into properties that we owned in Mexico.
Speaker 7: They didn't want to know any of that. They basically
Speaker 7: said that they had no jurisdiction over that. And I
Speaker 7: did disclose to them though that you know, I had
Speaker 7: my house in Plainfield.
Speaker 4: Plainfield is a small wealthy town about an hour west
Speaker 4: of Chicago.
Speaker 7: I paid for it with drug proceeds we you know,
Speaker 7: our husband's bought us several high end luxury vehicles that
Speaker 7: we brought over from Mexico, several of them, and I
Speaker 7: disclosed that, you know, we had purchase houses. I disclosed
Speaker 7: everything to them.
Speaker 4: The two hundred thousand wasn't the only money that Vile
Speaker 4: collected from the brother's drip debts.
Speaker 3: There was plenty more.
Speaker 7: There was some money that was collected and we put
Speaker 7: the money away in the house in Plainfield. We didn't
Speaker 7: know where to put it, so we put it in
Speaker 7: the theater room where we had this like built up floor,
Speaker 7: and we kind of just removed the face of the
Speaker 7: facial boards of the floor and we put the money
Speaker 7: in there. Jay's attorney wanted to see me in person.
Speaker 7: He told me that the government wanted some money that
Speaker 7: was picked up in DC and that it was in
Speaker 7: j and Peter's best interest to turn in that money
Speaker 7: because they wanted it and they wanted handed over and
Speaker 7: that that person whoever it was that turned in the
Speaker 7: money would be given immunity. Me and went back to
Speaker 7: the house in Plainfield and we bought these big tupware
Speaker 7: like bins that you would kind of keep in your
Speaker 7: garage if you were keeping like sporting goods or things
Speaker 7: like that that you want.
Speaker 6: To store away.
Speaker 7: So we put all the bulk currency inside those bins,
Speaker 7: which was about I don't know, maybe eight to ten bins,
Speaker 7: and we put those in the suv. And when we
Speaker 7: loaded them in the suv, like the truck was completely
Speaker 7: fool I couldn't even see out of the rear view mirror,
Speaker 7: the side mirrorge just because we had all the seats down.
Speaker 7: And I drove it to the attorney's office, which was
Speaker 7: on the north side of Chicago. When we got there,
Speaker 7: the attorney was in complete like shock, like he didn't
Speaker 7: know what to do. He had no idea that what
Speaker 7: he was supposed to do with all this bulk cash,
Speaker 7: Like he didn't want to be responsible for it because
Speaker 7: it was the middle of the night. So he then
Speaker 7: called the government and let them know that he had
Speaker 7: the money in his possession. At that point, he was
Speaker 7: just saying that they did not want to come pick
Speaker 7: up the money. They didn't want to seize the money.
Speaker 7: So the next day we went to the bank and
Speaker 7: we actually deposited that money at the bank. So it
Speaker 7: kind of looked like a scene from like Scarface, where
Speaker 7: We're walking in with these bns of money and they're
Speaker 7: just counting and going through the money counters and counting it,
Speaker 7: and it ended up being like the four point something
Speaker 7: million dollars.
Speaker 4: The four million dollars was only a portion of the
Speaker 4: full amounts of drug proceeds that was collected by Val
Speaker 4: and other family members.
Speaker 3: Val handed it in.
Speaker 4: To Jay's attorney with the expectation that she would get immunity.
Speaker 7: He let me know that he wasn't going to disclose
Speaker 7: to the government who actually turned in the money until
Speaker 7: he got the immunity in writing, because that they were
Speaker 7: playing games. So at that point I know that he
Speaker 7: was trying to protect me and he thought he was
Speaker 7: doing the right thing by having me turned in that money,
Speaker 7: because that's exactly what they wanted.
Speaker 3: Remember, Val didn't have any protection.
Speaker 4: She was not a part of the witness protection program
Speaker 4: like the twins were. The government made a lot of
Speaker 4: special commodations for Jay and Pete. Not only were they
Speaker 4: allowed to be together in the shoe, they eventually got
Speaker 4: to see their families, something that's highly unusual in WHITSEC.
Speaker 1: So they kind of agreed to allow us to see
Speaker 1: our family and on Fridays for a little while at
Speaker 1: the same place where they're briefing it their headquarters or whatever.
Speaker 2: In the DA office, they had like a.
Speaker 1: Room where they process you know, inmates or or you know,
Speaker 1: people they arrested, and it's like a pretty simple room.
Speaker 1: They probably just take your pictures and fingerprints you in.
Speaker 1: They have like all these little like holding closets, like
Speaker 1: with a little bench, and the door has a little
Speaker 1: people and then they are like in the corner of them,
Speaker 1: there's two bedrooms right next to each other, you know,
Speaker 1: and there's only one entrance to this room. And my
Speaker 1: wife would come and bring the kids, and my mom
Speaker 1: came and my my older brother and val and Jay
Speaker 1: and the boys. And on one of those occasions it
Speaker 1: was around like that Valentine's was like, I'm that during
Speaker 1: the m during that visit somehow like the wake up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I remember that because I remember she word like
Speaker 1: something red or something and I'm carrying my baby. It
Speaker 1: was kind of crowding out whenever my brother and I
Speaker 1: were out of us cell, Like there was a lot
Speaker 1: of agings, you know, so they would like crowded and
Speaker 1: they would like stand by the doorway, you know, and
Speaker 1: I just kind of like they'll be conversaying among themselves,
Speaker 1: and there's like cameras up there too, like in that room.
Speaker 2: So I remember.
Speaker 1: Like she gets up to go make the baby a bottle,
Speaker 1: and the baby like fell asleep in mar on side.
Speaker 1: Put the baby down, so right away she's like making
Speaker 1: the baby the bottle. She's like, we're seeing the bottle
Speaker 1: in the bathroom and I just walked her towards the
Speaker 1: door with it, and I'm watching her like clean the
Speaker 1: baby's bottle and there's no one, like I mean, they
Speaker 1: can't see me from that when they're distracted by talking
Speaker 1: to amongst each other. And I remember just.
Speaker 2: Just walking into the bathroom.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing because there's my mom's there, and.
Speaker 8: You know, I told Peter, I'm like come in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like then I remember just like and then.
Speaker 8: He had the baby, I have the bottles.
Speaker 2: Then just like.
Speaker 1: Just going into the bathroom and means so nervous. So
Speaker 1: like I was like nervous, but I just missed her
Speaker 1: so much. And I remember just like at that point,
Speaker 1: like so what whatever happens happened. And I remember her
Speaker 1: telling me like come on, Pete, like I want to
Speaker 1: have your baby. And I was like, you out your mind.
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I want to have your baby boy,
Speaker 1: And I don't worry. You know, by the time you're
Speaker 1: coming home, you'll be perfect at that age and you
Speaker 1: could play with them. And I was like, you don't
Speaker 1: know what you're asking for. But I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, just in the heat.
Speaker 8: Of the moment, it was like, yeah, I think at
Speaker 8: that point, we're just conversation. We're just conversating at that
Speaker 8: point right there. But I didn't say play with him.
Speaker 8: I said, I'll you know, I'll have another baby, We'll
Speaker 8: have our kids by that time, they'll be grown and
Speaker 8: you know, you'll have you know, a whole weather, you
Speaker 8: have a whole family by the time you come home. Yes,
Speaker 8: And but mind you, you know we're still living on
Speaker 8: that Oh you're gonna get only eight years. We're getting
Speaker 8: in the best situation where you know, he's the biggest cooperator.
Speaker 6: And see's eight years. I thought, I.
Speaker 8: Mean I thought maybe eight eight years maximum. At that point.
Speaker 8: I was like, you'll probably be home in like three,
Speaker 8: four or five years. Like I didn't think it was
Speaker 8: going to even be eight years.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we're just I guess we were
Speaker 1: hoping for the best. Anyways, that moment just was so
Speaker 1: intense and we got away.
Speaker 8: And I was yeah, and then it was super fertile
Speaker 8: at that time because I just had I just had.
Speaker 2: Went for it, so you yeah, so we got.
Speaker 8: Busy, yeah, in in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I believe we got away twice, so there's like
Speaker 2: one more time.
Speaker 1: And I just afterwards, I was feeling, like, what the wages.
Speaker 2: I hope she's not pregnant, you know, And then of
Speaker 2: course she was pregnant.
Speaker 4: It was the neircomers in there, the like remember there's
Speaker 4: a lot of agents.
Speaker 1: It was in like and I remember we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about she was just told me one day, like she
Speaker 1: said something like, are you ready to play with your
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 8: It was like I was. I was already feeling sick,
Speaker 8: and I was like, something's some I'm pregnant. One hundred
Speaker 8: percent I'm pregnant. So I took a pregnancy test and
Speaker 8: then he called and I'm like, I'm pregnant, and it
Speaker 8: was it was a lot of different feelings.
Speaker 1: It was just so like such a shocker, I'm pregnant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we were both afraid, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember just like thinking, Oh, what are
Speaker 1: the that's gonna say?
Speaker 6: Were you allowed to have sex?
Speaker 1: And of course now it became such a big issue.
Speaker 2: I just didn't see I was jeopardizing like so much.
Speaker 6: So when did they find out?
Speaker 1: Show the staff at the prison, no, I have a baby,
Speaker 1: like she knows she was pregnant. They see her, but
Speaker 1: I guess they assumed, like, wait, how long he's been
Speaker 1: in custody something. But I guess they just figured that's
Speaker 1: the way she came, that's the way they met me.
Speaker 2: She's pregnant.
Speaker 1: So I have a legal visit about two thousand and ten.
Speaker 1: I'm signing some papers and they're doing an interview.
Speaker 2: And all right, I see you later. The next morning,
Speaker 2: like at.
Speaker 1: Seven in the morning, they come knock on my door
Speaker 1: like you know, PF give up legal visit. I'm like
Speaker 1: they what are you talking about? Yeah, get dressed and
Speaker 1: I going to see the agent and the prosecutor in
Speaker 1: their same clothes room day before.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the hell's going on? And they
Speaker 2: let me have it. I might ask you a question,
Speaker 2: don't balk your live with me? You have a something?
Speaker 9: I was like, yes, is it yours? I hope so
Speaker 9: what the fuck they let me have it?
Speaker 6: They were so pissed off, say figured it out? Yeah,
Speaker 6: what did they say?
Speaker 1: They made me like be thorough about exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: and and they're like, this is gonna be the most
Speaker 1: embarrassing because you fucking deservera in yourself. And I ain't
Speaker 1: look back, and I'm like I understand how that was.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't say I regret it. I have
Speaker 1: my beautiful son. I can't see like probably who wouldn't
Speaker 1: take the chance that they had it, you know, but
Speaker 1: they were very pissed off, and it just became a
Speaker 1: humongous issue that had people from DC come interview me
Speaker 1: and they're doing a big investigation about it. I like
Speaker 1: to see you I had like somehow bribe someone or
Speaker 1: were they letting me as as a benefit, And you know,
Speaker 1: it was like a big issue, you know, because it
Speaker 1: was against like I broke the rules and stuff and
Speaker 1: all night.
Speaker 2: No I'm like, I'm a man, that's my wife.
Speaker 1: Like, if someone gets the opportunity, I'm sure it's not
Speaker 1: the first time it's happened, it won't be alive. I
Speaker 1: had other issues, you know, like they would call it
Speaker 1: the three Bees, The Bentley, the Baby, and the Billboards.
Speaker 4: The twins became infamous for the three Bees. The Baby
Speaker 4: was just the start next the Bentley.
Speaker 1: It was a birthday, so I would have the car.
Speaker 1: Buying her a cardact that was like buying her buick
Speaker 1: At that time. I had my sister in my battery
Speaker 1: helped me, you know, not at that time. She was
Speaker 1: like trying to help me, and she understood what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do for her, so like, don't worry, I'll
Speaker 1: take care of me, you know. To be honest, it
Speaker 1: was stupid because my wife didn't need a better you.
Speaker 6: Know, why did you want to buy hervetment?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just thought like what could I get at her birthday?
Speaker 1: You know it's coming up. I mean we had ten cars.
Speaker 1: I mean you know we had every car you could
Speaker 1: think of it.
Speaker 6: You got ten cars at that time.
Speaker 1: Still, yeah, did the government not take any of them
Speaker 1: at that point?
Speaker 2: I think no, not yet?
Speaker 6: So what cause did you have?
Speaker 1: We had every issue but you could think of We
Speaker 1: had multiple same rain drawers, like we would buy him,
Speaker 1: you know, two.
Speaker 2: Three at a time.
Speaker 8: I had a little party for my birthday and then
Speaker 8: they were like go outside go outside. And I went
Speaker 8: outside and there's a big red bull on a car,
Speaker 8: and I.
Speaker 10: Was like.
Speaker 8: Shocked and surprised, and and yeah, I was truly missing him, Yeah,
Speaker 8: truly missing him at that At that point, I was pregnant, emotional.
Speaker 1: I mean, the car didn't make no difference to me, honest,
Speaker 1: I was just it wasn't like what you think it
Speaker 1: was at that point.
Speaker 2: You know, like we're more in need of each other
Speaker 2: than a supercar, you know. And I didn't, you know,
Speaker 2: considering the trouble it caused me. And it goes stupid.
Speaker 1: When the government discovered, like that what we did to
Speaker 1: acquire that money, you know, that was going to turn
Speaker 1: over to them.
Speaker 6: All right, So that's why it was a problem.
Speaker 2: No, that was just part of it.
Speaker 1: Like we you know, we spent the money on stuff
Speaker 1: like that, just anything that could hinder you know, you
Speaker 1: as a credible witness.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 2: It's a bad decision.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a bad decision.
Speaker 4: The twins were moved from mcc Chicago to a different
Speaker 4: prison in order to help protect their identity.
Speaker 3: They often moved prisons.
Speaker 4: And we can't always name where they were due to
Speaker 4: witset confidentiality.
Speaker 3: The first two bees had caused a lot of trouble
Speaker 3: for the.
Speaker 4: Twins, but it was the third b the billboards, which
Speaker 4: happened after they moved prisons.
Speaker 3: That was the final straw.
Speaker 8: One bad decision after another.
Speaker 1: I got the billboards, and the billboards was just a
Speaker 1: violation of my security at the time, and yeah, they were.
Speaker 2: Not happy about that. We all paid the price for
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 7: Peter I remember for Valentine's state, he wanted to put
Speaker 7: up things to billboards, two huge billboards on the interstate,
Speaker 7: like when you.
Speaker 6: Roll up to the visit.
Speaker 1: That's so my intention was just a surprise and her
Speaker 1: way home that she sees like a little token of
Speaker 1: my love and appreciation for her.
Speaker 8: And it was a It was the next exit where
Speaker 8: the prison, where the facility was, so.
Speaker 1: They were not small, I guess they were like like
Speaker 1: they had like three hundred feet across like to me,
Speaker 1: like the huge.
Speaker 7: Told them and it said, Philo, marrying you.
Speaker 2: Was the best thing that ever happened.
Speaker 11: And it was black.
Speaker 8: The sign was black with like big red hearts and
Speaker 8: white bright letters, so you kind of it was simple words.
Speaker 10: It was like Mary, you was the best I love you. Yeah,
Speaker 10: you're grateful I.
Speaker 2: Can't wait to spend for everyone.
Speaker 6: With the second one, yeah, it was.
Speaker 8: They were absolutely beautiful, Like I couldn't believe. Like I
Speaker 8: I parked, I parked on the side of the highway,
Speaker 8: and I just like was just staring at them, like
Speaker 8: in tears with my baby, and I was just staring
Speaker 8: at them. And it was we were alone, it was
Speaker 8: we're leaving the visit and we were just there and
Speaker 8: I was just like, look back at my babies and
Speaker 8: I was just looking at the sign, and you know,
Speaker 8: it just.
Speaker 6: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 8: Like Peter's always been romantic, but I feel like this
Speaker 8: gesture was like just like really over over over at
Speaker 8: the top. Oh yeah, I was in tears. And then
Speaker 8: I felt like I felt happy and then lonely, and
Speaker 8: then I looked at my babies and I just felt
Speaker 8: like I wanted him so, I wanted him home so bad,
Speaker 8: and it reminded me of what I felt for him
Speaker 8: as well. And not only did he show me what
Speaker 8: he felt for me, I mean putting these big, two
Speaker 8: huge signs on the side of the highway six months
Speaker 8: for six months, yes, so, and I looked at them
Speaker 8: every time, and I stared at them every time, and
Speaker 8: it just it really made my heart.
Speaker 1: And I think that to be able to show her
Speaker 1: like a beware or to do something because not because
Speaker 1: you can't, because you wanted.
Speaker 11: To, Like it's you know.
Speaker 1: It was one of those moments that I felt like,
Speaker 1: you want to make her feel how special she was
Speaker 1: to me? Well got me in trouble was that that
Speaker 1: they made a big news.
Speaker 10: It was on the news.
Speaker 1: They like a journal I seen them, or they talked
Speaker 1: about them, and they went out to make a story.
Speaker 2: I look what a husband did for his wife.
Speaker 1: Never imagine that the guy with dinner was in prison.
Speaker 1: But later on I knew if the trouble was coming
Speaker 1: when the Seals would come over to our unit and
Speaker 1: be like.
Speaker 2: Who's the guy that put up the billboards?
Speaker 1: Don't forget where they were not they're.
Speaker 2: Not supposed to know you, you know.
Speaker 1: And I didn't put her name out there. I just
Speaker 1: put it, you know. I looked like the man and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's going to be trouble.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 10: It was, it was It was just not for Peter.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that what I thought he would have
Speaker 1: said because of the billboards. My best friend, my brother
Speaker 1: who had spent my whole life got transferred.
Speaker 10: Wow, that's a little bit bigger.
Speaker 11: Huh.
Speaker 4: Pete's very public declaration of love for his wife, Velo
Speaker 4: viv Lopez changed everything. It brought along a fourth b breakup.
Speaker 4: The twins were separated for the first time in their lives, and.
Speaker 8: You know, we all suffered the repercussions.
Speaker 10: We had the privilege.
Speaker 1: It was a privilege granted to it by a special
Speaker 1: privilege because of our cooperation. The department just allowed us
Speaker 1: a lot of identical twins which were now was not
Speaker 1: it was against policy to be together.
Speaker 2: Should we say to give you a special approach? Sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess it was.
Speaker 10: We were together.
Speaker 2: They made an exception for us.
Speaker 10: They made an expect exception for us and put us together.
Speaker 12: We're not supposed to be together, and we're identical twins,
Speaker 12: and they basically told us, don't fuck it out. We
Speaker 12: were punkies, we were salies in the same job in prison,
Speaker 12: and we took it for barn there. But the billboards,
Speaker 12: where's the beginning of like something solid they had? I
Speaker 12: guess he decaid to the bill words and they found
Speaker 12: out and they started investigation. The whole time, they think
Speaker 12: that because who Val is and because who I am
Speaker 12: person I was, they kind of just said it's Ja
Speaker 12: because there was a B on it. And I think
Speaker 12: they're thinking be Low, because they're thinking that Jay Low vow.
Speaker 12: One day in March of that year, March April, they
Speaker 12: come get me to the south four in the morning, okay.
Speaker 10: In wash out them out to you and you come
Speaker 10: down to r D. And I'm like to put on sweater.
Speaker 10: I see that. I look at it.
Speaker 2: When I see that, there's lieutenants.
Speaker 10: There's a couple of guards, and I'm like, man, what
Speaker 10: could he want? And now with my brother, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I'm just like, oh, all right, I go and.
Speaker 1: There's doors right, so as soon as I step down
Speaker 1: in the door, they lock it and I go into our.
Speaker 4: Indeed, R and D stands for Receiving and discharging. It's
Speaker 4: where prisoners a process and identities checked to make sure
Speaker 4: the right person is going to the right place.
Speaker 3: It's the first stop when you arrive and the last
Speaker 3: before you leave.
Speaker 10: He's like, he has my back that actually came with,
Speaker 10: you know, from Mexico. On the table.
Speaker 1: He said, strip start taking my clothes and you know,
Speaker 1: regular check. But he's like, hold on, I need to
Speaker 1: make sure. Let me see your tattoos. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't have tattoos.
Speaker 2: Are you.
Speaker 10: Let me look at your body, like making sure.
Speaker 1: And he has both of our files and he's like
Speaker 1: making sure I don't have my tattoo my neck and
Speaker 1: my chest. Okay, we got the right one. Put in
Speaker 1: your clothes and you have the same. Marshals come get you,
Speaker 1: and you know they roll up with it from cars.
Speaker 1: It's like five in the morning, six in the morning,
Speaker 1: big out rot. I mean, hear what's going on. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you'll find out, don't worry about it. Man, where are
Speaker 1: we going?
Speaker 10: I can't tell you.
Speaker 2: If I could see forward the truck.
Speaker 1: It's a boutpool truck. And I'm noticing they're talking like
Speaker 1: a little bit whispering, like yeah, soll he's not gonna
Speaker 1: be with his brother nomore.
Speaker 10: And I'm hearing them talk and I'm like, that's weird.
Speaker 10: I can hear him saying it's coming up.
Speaker 2: As soon as he said that.
Speaker 10: It's coming up. I know what they're talking about, the billboard. Yeah,
Speaker 10: because I know that it's there.
Speaker 1: I know it's closed by we just left.
Speaker 10: It's coming up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there he's like, yeah.
Speaker 10: What you've been doing lately?
Speaker 1: I kind of look at him like nothing, but I'm
Speaker 1: actually stupid, Like and as we're driving, I can see
Speaker 1: the huge billboards.
Speaker 2: I could see that they're black.
Speaker 10: I could see him in the corner mine because I
Speaker 10: really looked part before he turned, and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 10: I'm thinking about that. They look nice.
Speaker 1: But when he said yeah, so what you've been doing,
Speaker 1: he kind of looked at me. He wanted to see
Speaker 1: my reaction, and I stirred at him. I didn't even
Speaker 1: look at the blue words. I'm looking from the corners.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, not much or other kids said. But
Speaker 1: as soon as he did that, I'm like, shit, they know.
Speaker 1: I didn't think that I was still gonna get in trouble.
Speaker 10: I'm just like, okay, they don't.
Speaker 1: And uh, they drove me to the airport and they
Speaker 1: didn't wanna talk to me about where I was going.
Speaker 1: And it was actually a big jet and uh, they
Speaker 1: kind of waved my way up.
Speaker 10: You know, your chap shop order.
Speaker 1: I kind of waved my way up to the airplane
Speaker 1: and the pilots said, I said, hey, where we're playing?
Speaker 2: Where we're going to?
Speaker 10: He said New York. I'm like, hey, like, why the
Speaker 10: fuck are we going to New York?
Speaker 2: And he like, just just get in. We can't tell
Speaker 2: you anything. Just sit down.
Speaker 10: It was a plane ride to New York to the
Speaker 10: MCC New.
Speaker 4: York, Jay London. At New Accompold, he was greeted by
Speaker 4: a sea of thirty squad cars and a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of marshals. They accompanied him on the forty minute drive
Speaker 4: from the airport to mcc New York, right in the
Speaker 4: middle of downtown Manhattan.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm thinking, I'm going just for a week,
Speaker 1: a couple of days, and I'm going to go back
Speaker 1: to my brother. No, I go to a process. When
Speaker 1: I get there and meet the union managery, I'm like,
Speaker 1: excuse me, man, for how long they're here for?
Speaker 9: For good?
Speaker 10: That hurt me?
Speaker 1: And I was like, but why shakes oh, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, man, I said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: you just got the wrong one.
Speaker 2: That was my brother.
Speaker 4: Surviving l Chapo. The Twins Who Brought Down a Drug Lord.
Speaker 4: Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and
Speaker 4: me Charlie Webster, produced by myself and Jackson McLennan, Assistant
Speaker 4: producer and research support by Katie Hurtz. Edit and sound
Speaker 4: designed by Nico Polella. Theme music and original score by
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