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Speaker 1: Now it's time for Cannabi's Talk one on one with Blue,

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Speaker 1: Joe Grundy and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot brothers

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Speaker 1: in Law with special guests Shooky and Adam. Listen how

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Speaker 1: they went from doing the eight Clap of U C

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Speaker 1: welcome to Cannabis Talk one on one. My name is Blue.

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Speaker 1: Alongside of me is the world famous Joe grind Hello

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Speaker 1: and the pop brother at law Craig Wasserman. Go went

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Speaker 1: in for the pop brothers out law. That's right. We

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Speaker 1: have an amazing show for you guys today. I am.

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Speaker 1: There's no feeling unless you're gonna do something for your

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Speaker 1: much of shots fired here, you mean you talk a

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Speaker 1: lot of you do that right now? You didn't respond?

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Speaker 1: Good job. So there it is, guys, Joe tell us

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Speaker 1: what's one on the show. Well, first off, thank you

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Speaker 1: guys all for listening to the podcast Cannabis Talk one

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Speaker 1: We greatly appreciate it. And for those who call in

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Speaker 1: hundred for twenty nineteen eighty and just real quick. That

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Speaker 1: was in English, Craig, was it in Spanish? Oto zetta,

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Speaker 1: zetto quatro zetto zetto blue And in Russian wound those

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Speaker 1: I don't know where's Koala when we need her? You

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Speaker 1: at Cannabis Talk one on one, Pot Underscore Brothers, Underscore

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Speaker 1: at Underscore, law Marks at wast Law, Craigs at wast Law,

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Speaker 1: Dog Blues at one Christopher Wright, and I am at

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Speaker 1: Joe Grand fifty two. And our guests today are two

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Speaker 1: cats that are lawyers out here in southern California. Shookie Greer,

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Speaker 1: I hope I said that right? Shift And Adam Burger

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Speaker 1: did I say that right? And am I the only

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Speaker 1: one that gets extremely hungry when you say Burger? Of

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Speaker 1: course I am, because I'm the fattest one up here.

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Speaker 1: But their attorneys at law you can find them online

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Speaker 1: at Burger Greer dot com Real hard company right there.

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Speaker 1: Let me think at him use his last name shook,

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Speaker 1: did Adam? You get the first one? Alphabetical? Alphabetical, you're

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Speaker 1: giving it that to him. That's fine. I'm fine with that.

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Speaker 1: the four letters on our website. That makes it simple,

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Speaker 1: Is there another you're starting? Is there another organizam Jewish organization?

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00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 1: Because I think I've someone invited us to one, but

427
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: I thought it was but it was last year and

428
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: I we couldn't make it. I don't know if there's

429
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,399
Speaker 1: another one, not that I know of. J c A

430
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,640
Speaker 1: is to my knowledge, the only active Jewish cannabis organization

431
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,199
Speaker 1: that exist. Now, can I be a part of that?

432
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 1: Since I'm Puerto Rican, of course you're Puerto Rican jew.

433
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: In fact, we encourage more diversity. I think it's great though,

434
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 1: the referral word of mouth, other than falling into Instagram

435
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: a few years ago. I mean, it's thirty three years

436
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: of word of mouth. Yeah, we don't do any advertising.

437
00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much love in this industry. There's

438
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: so much connection between the people involved. We're finding that

439
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 1: our hands are full just and that's where we wanted

440
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: to give you as love because of hearing what you

441
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: guys have done. And I caught window you guys from

442
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 1: somebody else that mention you, and I looked at the

443
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,720
Speaker 1: event and looked at the things. I was like, these

444
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: are some cool brothers. I like what you guys are

445
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,960
Speaker 1: doing in the Jewish community, let alone abroad and seeing

446
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, I heard of some pro bono stuff that

447
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: you guys are doing. So keep doing what you're doing

448
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: because the word of mouth is spreading, and that being said,

449
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: when that word of mouth spread to your home, I

450
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 1: want to start with you, Adam, Oh mom, guess what

451
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,720
Speaker 1: remember shookie, the guy that you met. Yeah, we're gonna

452
00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: start a a cannabis firm as we're eating mats of

453
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: all soup. Uh did the soup fly everywhere? I mean,

454
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: what the hell was that talk? Like? So? I have

455
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: a wonderful, loving, but worrying Jewish mother. Uh, and I

456
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: love her to death, but you know she's and rightfully

457
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: so she gets very concerned and worried, and she wants

458
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 1: the best. So she was. She was worried. She was nervous.

459
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 1: Part of it was because I was taking such a risky.

460
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: I was taking such a risk, like leaving my comfortable

461
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: law firm job. I was working at a phenomenal firm.

462
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: I it was a great experience, um. And I was

463
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: leaving that for a new venture with a lot of unknowns.

464
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: So part of her concern was what's going to happen?

465
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: What if it doesn't work out? You're leaving a comfortable job,

466
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: a comfortable salary, all that. Um. The other part was

467
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: the cannabis part. She wasn't. She was kind of nervous

468
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: about that. UM. And I understand that my dad is

469
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: is very chill. He was also concerned. But I don't

470
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: think as you smoke weed. No, I don't, not that

471
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 1: I know of. He would not that I know of,

472
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: but um, he's you know, he should try and get

473
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: him to smoke. The beautiful thing is they both trust me. Yeah,

474
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,239
Speaker 1: that would be that would be fun. The beautiful thing

475
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: is they both trust me very much and my judgment. Um.

476
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: So I had a lot of discussions with them and

477
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 1: explained to them that, you know, cannabis is a legitimate movement,

478
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: especially that it's legalized in a vast majority of now

479
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: now we can say a vast majority of yeah, so so, um,

480
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, I explained to them that the way we're

481
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: going to do this is in a very ethical manner.

482
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: We're only going to be working in the legal industry

483
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: representing licensed operators. Um, you know, we are opposed to

484
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 1: representing anything in the black market. That gave them a

485
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: little comfort knowing that, you know, we had some good

486
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: judgment about it. So now they're accepting of it, and um,

487
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: you know, I'm an adult. So even if they weren't,

488
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: I would, Yeah, like you care about their blessing, you know.

489
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: So you if someone came to you was running a

490
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,959
Speaker 1: black market store and they get busted and rated for sales,

491
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: possession all that stuff. Do you represent them? I think

492
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: that's what I think. We wouldn't. We wouldn't necessarily help

493
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: them with their contract. Correct. You can. You can represent

494
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: the individual once they get in trouble, but you can't

495
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: represent the business like we did exact in the day

496
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: when we had cooperatives. Yeah, that's a law. You can't

497
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 1: help somebody do an illegal operating. So we have people

498
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: come in and they and they might be doing something.

499
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: We tell them you should not be doing this. It's illegal.

500
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: It's illegal if you do this. But if you want

501
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: to retain us individually so that if something happened to

502
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: you during the year, you know, we're here to represent you.

503
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: But we can't represent you. We can't represent your business

504
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: or anything anything to do with that business, only you.

505
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: If should something happen and I'm curious, shook you. What's

506
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: the story for you when you went home and told

507
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: them that you're big question? Uh, you know you're not

508
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: like Adam. First of all, I can tell right, Adams

509
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: a bad guy compared to some of my other friends.

510
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: Adams a wonderful guy. You gotta parse out the use

511
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: with the with the representation, right, being a cannabis lawyer.

512
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: They're very supportive of um. They see it as a

513
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: growing industry and that is an exciting opportunity for me

514
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: to make a lot of money and showcase my skills. Uh.

515
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: The youth they're not so happy about. I haven't really

516
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: had a direct, frank conversation with them about my use

517
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: or perhaps the extents of it. But you're going online

518
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: and spoke. He's gonna be a shocker when there Yeah followers,

519
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure I can certainly reckon ment it to them.

520
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: They'll be very proud. Yeah. Um, But I think that,

521
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, like everything, that the thoughts around it are

522
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: changing and the ideas of yesterday are no longer the

523
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: ideas of today, and even people from the older generation

524
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: like my parents are getting understanding a little bit more

525
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: that this is really akin to alcohol, and this isn't

526
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: a kin to some of the other drugs that are

527
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: scheduled one substances. Um that it's okay, it's okay, and

528
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: it's maybe it's a vice, just like caffeine is a vice,

529
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: but it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going off the rails.

530
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: And it could be another vice called medicine when used properly.

531
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: Look at this anecdotal evidence of all these people. It's helping,

532
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: from the seizures to the epilepsies, to the cancers, to

533
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: the migraines. You know, even if even when they call

534
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: an adult use sweet. But there's someone smokes weed and

535
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 1: they're all bellow in the corner and somebody goes, that's

536
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Like I could see what people

537
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: mean when they say it you're using one of when

538
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: there's some people that get so high else and they're

539
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: on the couch, like when you smoke that, you know

540
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: something different than being in the corner. No, on the

541
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: corner of Craig. Joe's right there. There are people that

542
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: abuse everything, so there's gonna be and those are the

543
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: people that people think too much about when they use that.

544
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: What I'm saying to you've done it too. I never

545
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: abused it, but you took those edibles one time and

546
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: what happened That wasn't abuse, that was stupidity. Well, then

547
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: some people are stupid sometimes that's different. But part of

548
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: the education curve Craig is not knowing exactly, especially if

549
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: you're new to cannabis and you come into it and

550
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: you just go, well, I'm gonna smack down this whole

551
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: you know, bang bar. But that's different than abuse, Like

552
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: you gotta make the distinction between you know, uh, finding

553
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: your dose, you overdo it, a little bit overdo it?

554
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: Who overdose and don't know? That's my point, But that's

555
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: that's not abuse, but abuses the alcohol abuse and go

556
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: and get a three martini lunch every day and you're

557
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: drunk off your as abusing when you when you you

558
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: know, a a whole candy bar like he's saying, and you

559
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: can't come back and function at work. I've But I'm

560
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: not saying why offensive listening about you? This is about

561
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: the nation that's listening to us, I know, And I'm

562
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: trying to dispel that. Really the you can't abuse abuse

563
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: cannabis example, you can? How can you say? Yeah? I mean,

564
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying that's how it could be looked at like

565
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: your mom instance, Yeah, I mean your mom is looking

566
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: at like, oh, these people who smoke cannabis, they can

567
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: I'm imagining, which I know other people like my neighbor

568
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: for instance, Oh, these people use cannabis and they get

569
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: lazy they do this, And I say, those are lazy

570
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: people like you say, Craig. My point behind that is

571
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: think of how the other side is looking at it

572
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: and thinking it, and then you'd be like, yeah, I

573
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: can see how you think that way when you see it.

574
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: What did you guys think shooking at him. Well, everybody

575
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: knows what happens in college with alcohol. Everybody knows that

576
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: college kids and alcohol. Sometimes he's a little too little

577
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: lived on Gaily. There you go. So I've I've been

578
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: around Gaily plenty in my time at U c l A.

579
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of abuse, as we call it.

580
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: But is that really abuse? I mean, that's just experimenting

581
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: and figuring out what the dosage is, what the appropriate

582
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: uses of it is, so that by the time you

583
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: get out, people don't drink twelve beers before they start,

584
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: and if they and alcoholic and then they then they

585
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: then you get into being abuse. So cannabis is gonna

586
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: be the same way. I mean, somebody who doesn't read

587
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: a label on a candy bar and eats four servings

588
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: before they realize the're only supposed to take one they're

589
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: that's just stupidity. That's just you just didn't read the

590
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: label right. And that's the thing with edibles is with

591
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: the delay, you know you forty five minutes later, I

592
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: don't feel anything, Well, let me grab let me eat

593
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: other cookie. Or they taste really good, so I'm gonna

594
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: eat three of them because they're delicious. That's just stupidity. Well,

595
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: but but there's also the guy that that eats five

596
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: of them because he likes that high. And that guy

597
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: right there just sometimes it's just too high. And because

598
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: he enjoys that much of a dose, that guy is

599
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: abusing it, you know what I mean? And so I

600
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: totally you say, no, no, I I totally agree with that.

601
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: Just you know. The difference is this, most people that

602
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: I know of is a generality, Well you smoke who

603
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: smoke weed? And there's a lot of people who smoke weed.

604
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: If weed gets them to the point where they can't concentrate,

605
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: they can't do stuff if they smoke. Everybody I know,

606
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: I talked to you, No, I can't. You know, we'll

607
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: be somewhere here you want to hit. No, I only

608
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: do it at night. No, No, I I can't do

609
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: it when I work. I can. It does whatever to me,

610
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: but I'll do it later afternoon at nighttime. So most

611
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: people aren't gonna take that thousand milligrams during the day

612
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: unless they're just a lazy ass who's gonna eat an

613
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: edible or smoke weed or even drink. They're just lazy

614
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: in the first place. And those who do are the

615
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: ones we're talking about. So great point. Now look at

616
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: the ones that do do that and still smoke in

617
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: the daytime and then don't function right or don't do

618
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: their job properly. You can't blame it on the drug.

619
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm blame it on the person who smoked it. I'm

620
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: blame me the person and they did the wrong thing.

621
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: And that's what gets the bad look and image for cannabis.

622
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I know people that that that smokes. That's why that

623
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: they don't even pay attention to anything they're doing throughout

624
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: the day. They just smoke weed all day. And I'm like,

625
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to be around that all the time.

626
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: And I know that that's what they do. They're out

627
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: there and they think it's fun and and a lot

628
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: of times, you know, if you're not educating people on that,

629
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: hey there is a miss uh miss representation of how

630
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: much you can ingest. Then you know, didn't they don't

631
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,719
Speaker 1: know that? They know they know they're abusing it, like

632
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: you just you can't just smoke weed all day. It's

633
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: not it's not are actually in defense for them. They

634
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: don't know they're abusing it because they think it's OK.

635
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: Or you can. Let me say this, you can't if

636
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: you can handle your I don't think that hand lazy,

637
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: but something are lazy. We're gonna lay around all day anyways,

638
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: they happen to smoke weed. We someone makes every appointment

639
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: that they make Monday through Friday. Right for one week,

640
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm here at my nine o'clock meeting, my twelve o'clock meeting,

641
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: and the next week they woke up and waked and baked,

642
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: and then they were late to that one meeting. I'm

643
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: asking you that you can't go theory giving you the premise.

644
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: I'm giving you the premission at the premise. Let me

645
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: ask you, Adam and Shooky. Let me ask two good, young,

646
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: smart lawyers. If Adam, I missed my appointment, same scenario.

647
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: I'm at my appointment every day Monday through Friday. Then

648
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: the next week I started smoking weed, and I miss

649
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: every appointment. I'm late to one. I don't miss every appointment. Complete,

650
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: You're not my attorney Normal lawyer Norman Judge. I'm making

651
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: your mouth right now. I'm talking to Adam Burger. Adam,

652
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: so in this situation, somebody does that, what would you

653
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: say was the problem. It's hard to draw conclusion because

654
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: you could have UM good lawyers. I mean, I think, uh,

655
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: the cannabis could exacerbate the prior tendencies, or it could

656
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: be UM, it could be totally caused by the cannabis

657
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: said that that if they never smoked. Have you seen

658
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: that pattern that I've described in life in scenario situations?

659
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: So you have, so you can agree with what we're

660
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: saying that you've seen this anecdotal evidence. Thank you. So

661
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: you've seen it in your life. That's all I'm trying

662
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: to say to this jerk off. I've seen it myself too,

663
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: So I just I just get so frustrated trying to

664
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: make you say, oh, I've seen it, and I don't

665
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: know why I want to prove a point? Do you

666
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: so bad? And I don't know why you do what?

667
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: We get so piste off. Right now, you're listening to Shook,

668
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: Shooky Greer and Adam Burger, attorneys at law UM part

669
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: of the I j c A, which is International Jewish

670
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: Cannabis Association and your website Burger Greer dot com and

671
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: that's where you can find him. Man. So we'll be

672
00:33:47,440 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: right back after this break. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk.

673
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: One oh one, Joe, what do we got going on

674
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: this second? Oh? I love you. We just want to

675
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: thank Pitt, Peanut, Jennifer and Elvis for all your hard work.

676
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. As we're sitting here with

677
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: two lovely lawyers. These guys are great. Thank you Adam

678
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: for agreeing with me. Now, Craig just puts you on

679
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: his ex Christmas list. He's not buying you know this guy,

680
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: he's never celebrated. Did you ever celebrate that? Craig growing out?

681
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: He celebrates Christmas? Right, I'm talking about the other one.

682
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: What's it called Hanka Hanakah? Thank you? I don't know

683
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: why I forgot he married Sagagen Hanaka were two things

684
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: just off my radar. I feel terrible today. One of

685
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: your business, None of your business if you ever sell

686
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: at hanakah? Did you never know? I don't know. I

687
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: try to ask you about your Jewish heritage, you get

688
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: all mad at me. Sometimes it's now time to do

689
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: the High five though, with these two great guys, Shook

690
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: You Greer and Adam Burger, attorneys at law from Burger

691
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: Greer dot com. I'm gonna ask you, guys, Adam, let's

692
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: you answer first and then Shook You you you answer right answer.

693
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the same question as we go back

694
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: and forth from the three of Us. Okay, Question number one,

695
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,959
Speaker 1: how old are you the first time you smoked weed?

696
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: And where'd you get it from? Adam? So, I think

697
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: I was sixteen or seventeen. Uh, probably seventeen because it

698
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: was close to my senior year of high school. And

699
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: I got it from So I went to my buddy

700
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: Michael's house. He lives in the valley uh San Fernando

701
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: bol No, he lives in Studio City, or he used to.

702
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: That's what his family was. Parents were gone for work

703
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: for the day or something for the day. So I

704
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: went in his backyard and um, our two other buddies

705
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: from high school, Um named Sam and Aiden came over

706
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: and um smoked. Everyone else had been high before, accept

707
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: me Um and Uh they smoked me out. They were

708
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: determined to get me blazed like crazy the first time.

709
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: And actually, actually I'll never forget. It was a memorable

710
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: first time because what happened was, Um, we walked over

711
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: to this pizzeria nearby called Pagliacci's, and they have on

712
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: one side of the restaurant as a pizza area where

713
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: they served the pizza, and on the other side as

714
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: an ice cream and milkshake area like the dairy section,

715
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: and UM, I straight up asked if I could get

716
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: a pizza milkshake combined because I couldn't make up my mind.

717
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: So I don't remember what he served me, but I

718
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 1: remember the question, and Uh, it was a good, good experience.

719
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: What about I was eighteen, I was in Baltimore, Maryland,

720
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: which is where I grew up. UM, and it was

721
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine. We rolled the joint in the

722
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,720
Speaker 1: car and then we spent about an hour driving around

723
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: with me just yelling and screaming at him about how

724
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: is it possible that he could be driving like this?

725
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: This is no, under no circumstances should you be driving

726
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: like this? And he knew you should have been a lawyer.

727
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: That's when I knew Number two, what is your favorite

728
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: way to use cannabis? I'm a joint guy. I mean

729
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: to be honest. I don't smoke that much anymore. Um,

730
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: but when I do with a joint, I've never been

731
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: into bonds. I also like tinctures lately, Like I liked

732
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: adding a little bit to my tea, you know, like

733
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 1: a nice CBD with some THHC oil, or it's something

734
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: in my tea at night, or it's under the tongue

735
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: sublingual is nice. It's a good idea. I'm gonna do

736
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: that to my wife. Actually, you know that put that

737
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: in her tea. You just made me think of that.

738
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah, kind of Well, she does

739
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: it every night anyway. She does it, thinks to every night,

740
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: brown the tongue. But she drinks tea sometimes too, So

741
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: I think I want to tell her put it in

742
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: her tea. A good call with telling her without telling you. Now,

743
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: I tell her, I mean she's down. She does it

744
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: every night anyway, So maybe I let her double dose.

745
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: I won't tell her and then let her do the

746
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: tin and see what she does. What about you, shirky uh?

747
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Joints also, um, Typically after the kids are down, my

748
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: wife and I'll go outside and onto our balcony and

749
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: smoke a joint. That's our little ritual, and that's been

750
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 1: my thing. I was a glass man for a long time.

751
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: But with the kids around, you can't just have a

752
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: big bong sitting on a shelf somewhere. It's what's this, dad,

753
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: that's a bubble maker. Yeah, that's my little brother found mine.

754
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: That's what happened. What's that bubble maker? Well, let me

755
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: blow bubbles. Were you listening to the High Five on

756
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one on one with Adam Burger and Seth

757
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, shook eat Greer. Right, let's see the right alright,

758
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: question number three of the High Five craziest place you've

759
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: ever used or smoked cannabis? Adam? Honestly, it's so, I

760
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean what I consider crazy is like

761
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: being at a music festival, because music is amazing when

762
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: your when your stoned and um. For me, that's crazy,

763
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: like just being like with the energy and the crowd.

764
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: So I'd say like Coachella. Probably. I know that's like

765
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: a lame answer, but answer yeah. I mean there's no

766
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: wrong answers. There's never wrong or lame ones. Yeah, thank you, Okay,

767
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: exactly what you look like a Seth though shoe on

768
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: your foot, key in the door shook um. I consider

769
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: the craziest place to be the riskiest to the rule

770
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: breaking place. And so for that, I would say on

771
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: an airplane with the vapan, not with not with the

772
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: real joint. But I mean, you know, they tell you

773
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: you can't have any batteries, you can't have any vape

774
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: anything like that, and and wull times that I haven't

775
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: followed that rule. Smoked, both in the bathroom as well

776
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: as just in my seat. I mean, the beautiful thing

777
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: about a vape is that it's basically no smell. I mean,

778
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: if you're a real vape user, you can recognize the

779
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: smell of a cannabis I by But if you're not,

780
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: such as the people who are usually around me on

781
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: the plane, so then they don't pick up anything. On Sunday,

782
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: I was smoking on the plane. Did you really? On

783
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: the way? Horse? Lawbreaker? Question number five for Shookie and Adam,

784
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: what is your go to munchies after you get high? Pizza? Pizza, pizza, pizza,

785
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: both of you, Pizza, Little Caesars, pizza, bagels and cream

786
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: cheese always that's hard whatever, guess some bagels and freaking

787
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: pound locks can tell the devils of work tell a deli.

788
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: If you could smoke cannabis with anyone dead or alive,

789
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: who would it be? Jimi Hendrix and I want to

790
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: jam with him afterwards, I played guitar. Yeah, I didn't,

791
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: didn't come on any talent. Show him off. Moses, Why

792
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: that's our first Moses? Why Moses? Oh well, Judaism is

793
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: a big part of who I am, and the whole

794
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: Jewish story is founded on the story of Moses at

795
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: Mount SINAI uh, which is just following Moses at the

796
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: burning bush, which is his first vision of God. And

797
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: some say that that was a cannabis induced experience story.

798
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he laughing, He's walking in the desert, he's

799
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: shepherding his sheep, sees something fire going on over there.

800
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: It goes over to investigate. All of a sudden, he

801
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: starts seeing visions and God is talking to him. But

802
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: who I never heard the maybe he was smoking beforehand

803
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: though I never heard that part. They never taught us

804
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: that at well. I mean I think that the burning

805
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: USh if it was a cannabis bush and it was burning,

806
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: and the story goes that the bush was burning, but

807
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't getting consumed. And I mean, if you think

808
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: about a big cannabis plant burning as like the you know,

809
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: the big buds are slowly making their way through it, right,

810
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: it would take a long time for a tree like

811
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: that to burn. And then if you're just all of

812
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: a sudden from never smoking before it, inhaling a bush

813
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: worth of cannabis, you might meet God too. Yeah. Right,

814
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: so I mean the story kind of checks out. So

815
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean for me, I like it too. I just

816
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: wanted to, Like you do you elaborate on your interpretation.

817
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: It's just your interpretation originated. It's around you. You can

818
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: find it. I mean, people talk about it. It's it's

819
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,359
Speaker 1: a common interpretation within the Jewish cannabis world, of which

820
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: I'm a big part of that. That's kind of the

821
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: backstory of what was going on there. I mean, cannabis

822
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: and Judaism are connected through thousands of years. It was

823
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: recently discovered as part of a temple ritual the archaeologists

824
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: founded in Jerusalem, as part of the substances that they were,

825
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: you thinking, part of the temple. So there's a century

826
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: So there's the Yeah, I mean we're talking years ago,

827
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: and so that's a long history throughout which there's all

828
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: this you know, intertwined as you're so connected to the

829
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: Jewish community. I mean, are you getting any inside information

830
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: of what's going on in Israel with all the research.

831
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 1: I think Israel's ahead of the game with the research

832
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: they're doing out there. Yeah, I feel like that country

833
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: is just beyond like wow, one of the US. It's crazy. Yeah,

834
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: you can't even smoke weed there, but you can still.

835
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: So I was in Israel for five months from March

836
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: three this year until August. Corona in Israel. I went

837
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: there for two weeks and end up spending five months

838
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: there because we decided Israel is going to do a

839
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: better job with the virus than America has, and frankly

840
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: that was correct. Um. Cannabis used in Israel is very prevalent.

841
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: Everybody's smoking all over on the street at the time.

842
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: They like spliffs, they like to mix it with tobacc um.

843
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: That's the m O over there. Um. But so Israel

844
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: has decriminalized, but it's still goal and there are bills

845
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: being passed through the Cannesse that through the Congress of

846
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Israel right now to give it full legalization. So it's

847
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: kind of like it was here as far as everybody

848
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: smokes it. Just wasn't legal pretty much pretty much, and

849
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: you know from but they're so ahead on science there, science,

850
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: So Dr Rafael maschul Um, I would be remiss if

851
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: I didn't give him a shout out. Was known as

852
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: the godfather of cannabis, synthesized and identified th HC and

853
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: CBD back in the sixties and then has been at

854
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: it for fifty years, and just earlier this year discovered

855
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: a more stable form of the th HC molecule that

856
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: has the potential to really become a strong medicinal benefit

857
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: in the typical Western medicine way of using pharmaceuticals by

858
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: isolating a molecule and mass producing it. So weed is

859
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: too unstable to do that, but he's discovered a synthetic

860
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: variety that and I'm my science is very basic, but

861
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: that has the potential to be able to be made

862
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: into a real pharmaceutical product. So it's really exciting stuff

863
00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 1: coming out of Israel. Dr Rafael and he c H

864
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: O U L A M and Israel as well. He

865
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: is Tel Aviv University. Look at you coming with some

866
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: knowledge like that? Again, Yeah, I hit him shook. What else, man, is?

867
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: What else did you learn out there? I'm curious. You're

868
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: out there for four plus months, I mean the first

869
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: time there. No, I've been there many times. I spent

870
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: a year there studying after high school. I spent a year.

871
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: They're studying after law school as well. Um, Israel's and

872
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 1: the Jewish world is a big part of who I am. Um,

873
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: that's the Motherland. I mean, let's just face it, right,

874
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean that's how where you went there to go

875
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: get really in touch with your roots. And I've always

876
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 1: wanted to go. I wanted to see where Jesus walked.

877
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that my whole life. Like it's

878
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: so inspiring because you go through the hills and the

879
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: nature of Israel, and Israel's a beautiful country. Um, and

880
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: you're literally walking on the same stones as Jesus, as Abraham,

881
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: as Moses. They do they have tours like that. I guess, yeah,

882
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: you know those tours. Those tours are hurting because of Corona.

883
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: They could really use some additional business. So everybody out

884
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: who's listening, I encourage you get a group together, go

885
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: to Israel, take a tour, check out the nature, check

886
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,479
Speaker 1: out the beautiful sites that Israel has to offer. Because

887
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: it's a fantastic place and you feel it too. It's

888
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: not you know, I love Utah and you know Montana

889
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: and the beauty that you know, California and the United

890
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: States has to offer. But there's something different about doing

891
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: it in Israel because you feel it on this I've

892
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: never heard anybody come back from Israel and say that

893
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: wasn't that trip wasn't great. I don't know. I don't

894
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 1: think we should have spent that much. I've never heard

895
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: one person say, what's the weather like out there? And

896
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: in the summer and cold in the winter. And it

897
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: depends on where you are in Israel. I mean, it's

898
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: got desert in the south and mountains in the north,

899
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: so it's in the entire country is actually only the

900
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: size of about New Jersey, so it's really really small.

901
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: It's it's it is. If you could visit it all

902
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: in a couple of days, absolutely, yea, that's all. I think.

903
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: How many hours from the twelve hours north north to south,

904
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: one hour east to west. It's fantastic. Man, thank you

905
00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: guys for coming on the show. Appreciate you guys having

906
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: I think act you guys want to plug. I think

907
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: you've covered a lot of ground we appreciate it. It's

908
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: great to be Yeah. I mean, I think the one

909
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: thing that people are listening is to organize, talk to

910
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: their friends, spread the word. That's the way we're going

911
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: to really make big changes in this country is if

912
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: people get together and talk about it, Educate people, you know,

913
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: don't be afraid, you know, fight back against that stigma,

914
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, and the world a better place. What I

915
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: would add to that is, Um, you know, this November,

916
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of measures on various ballots

917
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: in different states that are going to either legalized medical

918
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: or adult use. So turn out to vote, you know,

919
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: get out there. Um, this is historic. The tide has

920
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: really changed in this country. So, UM, make your voice heard.

921
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: We need to flip the We need to flip the Senate.

922
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: We need to flip the Senate. We flipped the Senate.

923
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 1: We're very very close to getting it off the schedule

924
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: list and making it fair to come. With Joe Biden's

925
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: cannabis reform, I remember you said you're gonna do some

926
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: research on it, can you please? I will thank you.

927
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: I have to call him out on the show, but

928
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: he kept saying it right now, out of all the

929
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: out of all the people who could run. Joe Biden

930
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: was not the one for cannabis. Joe Biden was was

931
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: instrumental in the bill Clinton making the criminal penalties severely

932
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: worse in the nineties, and he hasn't really changed his

933
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 1: policies towards drugs at all. And then the Democratic Party

934
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: refused to put it as policy on their platform, which

935
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: was very very discreted. And then they picked Kamala Harris

936
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: who put thousands of people in prison in California. Yea,

937
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: she was doing her job at the time. Though when

938
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: you look at that, I hear that and I go

939
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: that she was doing her job. The other guys like Joe,

940
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: he was doing their job, their job, their job. You know,

941
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: she was a prosecutor. Me they prosecuted of of um

942
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: people at the time that we're breaking the law of color.

943
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: But they were breaking the law color not color white

944
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: and disproportionately impacted people of color. And the they got

945
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: to her, it was, you know, her making it law.

946
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Just don't start on this one. I want to test

947
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: you on you know, because now that we've made you

948
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: an honorary lawyer, there's a phrase that we're missing here,

949
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: which is prosecutorial Thank you that's my interpreter, Well, that

950
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: was my next one. But prosecutorial discretion I was thinking of.

951
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: And the fact is that even as a prosecutor, you know,

952
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,800
Speaker 1: you're faced with somebody who broke the law, did something illegal,

953
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: and you could throw them into jail according to the rules,

954
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: but you could also think of it as a human

955
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: being who made a dumb mistake and has the ability

956
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: to change. And how is this man's future gonna look

957
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: if they are introduced to the hardened criminals that he'll

958
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: meet in jail, or if he's put into a rehab program,

959
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 1: or will have mentorship and ability to which they didn't

960
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: do with which they didn't That's exactly what the argument

961
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: that I'm glad you're back, you know, because honestly that's

962
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: exactly my take on it too, is is is that

963
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: where was the education like you see you know African

964
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: American or or you know Hispanics coming in, Asians what

965
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, I had Americans, whatever the races, it really

966
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But they were just slamming them in jail.

967
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: Why because because of capital you know, and not and

968
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: they could have took the same taxpayers money and and

969
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: and helped these people with cannabis, you know, with with

970
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, drug addiction, with that which came far too late,

971
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, when they started to open up rehabs and

972
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: things at that nature. And it finally has been back

973
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: on that same track, and it seems like they're trying

974
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: to throw it right back into the old ways, which

975
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: is a reset. And I'm afraid of you because about

976
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, people should go to maybe rehab. They shouldn't

977
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: go to jail, but maybe rehab, or shoot him in

978
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: the But as far as the abuse goes, I don't

979
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: think you were around Joe when we interviewed the abuse

980
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: and the addiction specialists and the rehab specialist, and I

981
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: point blank asked him, have you ever detoxed a alcohol

982
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: or any kind of drug abuser that only had cannabis

983
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: in their system? Never? Never in place? It's you, I

984
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: think you're right. Don't say I think you're right, but

985
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, And and going on to say about miss

986
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: Harrison's uh, you know, at the time, I think it's

987
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: a double edged sword because if she did let all

988
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,919
Speaker 1: these people of color go, she would have then been

989
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: blamed for, oh, she's just letting these Mexicans, only making

990
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: them go to rehab. I think it's a double leedged sword.

991
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: I wish you would have done it. Don't get me wrong.

992
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying prosecutors and you can you know, the attorneys

993
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: can back me up on this. They have a lot

994
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 1: of discretion. And when you're in the courtroom and you're

995
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: negotiating with a d A about what kind of deal

996
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: you're going to create, they have the ability to put

997
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: things like community services, like making sure that they finished

998
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: their college like and if she does that, I'm saying,

999
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 1: then she would have been hit with oh she's being

1000
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: too nice to them rather than putting them in jail.

1001
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: I agree with that, Cannabis. I'm just saying that's what

1002
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that that's what would have been better than Trump.

1003
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: We all agree on that, yes. And on a final

1004
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: note about it, about Kamala Harris. Recently, she's come out

1005
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: with a lot of pro legalization positions. She's she's sponsored

1006
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: the more act Um. She's been in favor of protecting

1007
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: banking institutions from federal prosecution that provide financial services to

1008
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: the cannabis industry. I mean, so so right, So I

1009
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: mean there's some cautious optimism because yeah, she has that

1010
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: history that we've just been discussing the past few minutes.

1011
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: But over the last I want to say, a year

1012
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: or two, she's um, she's been much more pro legalization

1013
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: and ending prohibition. So um, I remained somewhat optimistic, but again, um,

1014
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: who knows? Who don't have any other choice? Who knows? Right? Yeah,

1015
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: we don't have a here's your numbers? Which one do

1016
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: you want? Curtain numbers or curtain number B. Shookie and Adam,

1017
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for being on the show.

1018
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