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Speaker 2: Martaza Hossain joining us to talk about Tucker's interview with

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Speaker 3: I'm actually going to.

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Speaker 2: Start the show though with the newest tariff announcement, sort

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Speaker 2: of like a Liberation Day two point zero. Trump is

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Speaker 2: unilaterally announcing tariffs on a number of very significant countries.

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Speaker 2: We'll get a little bit of sound from him, from

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Speaker 2: and get to this tariff announcement. So yesterday, about halfway

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Speaker 4: I have the signed letters that went out to both

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Speaker 4: And in the effort of transparency, these letters will continue

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Speaker 4: that's why the President's phone, i can tell you, brings

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Speaker 3: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: That is a little bit of what the official White

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Speaker 2: In any case, one of them reads, this is the

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Speaker 2: one to the Prime Minister of Japan. Dear mister Prime Minister,

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Speaker 2: A has agreed to continue working with Japan despite having

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Speaker 3: And fair trade in all gaps.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, we invite you to participate in the extraordinary economy

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Speaker 2: By far, We've had years to discuss our trading relationship

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Speaker 2: how much even in this area on terraff, the area

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Speaker 2: go ahead and take a listen now to a four,

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Speaker 2: Your president, Do the.

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Speaker 1: Tariff rates change at all on July ninth or do

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Speaker 1: they change on August first?

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about?

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Speaker 6: Tariff rate?

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Speaker 4: Do they change on July ninth or August first.

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Speaker 5: They're going to be tariffs, they're going to be the terrifft.

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Speaker 6: I think we have most countries done by July ninth, Yeah, either.

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Speaker 3: A letter or a deal, but let they go into

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Speaker 2: Very fortunate to be joined this morning by Martaza Hussein

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Speaker 2: a couple of topics here. Great to see you, maas Hey,

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Speaker 9: crime according to the international law because they were off duty.

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Speaker 9: As I said, for our scientists were also killed and

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Speaker 9: assassinated along with their families and their wives and their children.

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Speaker 9: They were also killed, pregnant women, children. They were killed

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Speaker 9: in the atrocities in the attacks of the Israeli regime.

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Speaker 9: Because they wanted to kill one single person, they had

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Speaker 9: to demolish and destroy a whole building and as a

446
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Speaker 9: results of this, a lot of innocent people were killed.

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Speaker 9: That there is a provision for the restarting the talks.

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Speaker 9: How are we going to trust the United States again?

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Speaker 9: How can we know for sure that in the middle

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Speaker 9: of the talks the Israeli regime will not be given

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Speaker 9: the permission again to attack US?

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Speaker 2: So he says there, how are we going to trust

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Speaker 2: the United States again?

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Speaker 3: Which I think is.

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Speaker 2: A pretty reasonable question, given not just this most immediate

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Speaker 2: diplomatic rules, but the fact that previously we had a

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Speaker 2: deal with the Iranians that the first Trump administration backed

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Speaker 2: out of.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Unfortunately, it's been very difficult for the US to

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Speaker 10: engage in diplomacy with Iran for one primary reason, which

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Speaker 10: is Benjamin Netanyahu, And for over a decade now, mister

462
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Speaker 10: Netanya who's been working to insert himself and sabotage effectively

463
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Speaker 10: any sort of meaningful diplomacy between the US and Iran.

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Speaker 10: He sabotaged the Iran nuclear deal, and he himself takes

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Speaker 10: credit for doing that in twenty fifteen or later in

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Speaker 10: the Trump administration deal they'll sign in twenty fifteen, and

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Speaker 10: most recently, the US and Iran, by no means seem

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Speaker 10: to have exhausted their diplomatic talks over the nuclear program.

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Speaker 10: Under the second Trump administration. But in the middle of that,

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Speaker 10: Netanyahho intervened. He launched a surprise attack on Iran. There's

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Speaker 10: conflicting reporting about the level four knowledge that the US

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Speaker 10: had about this attack, but you know, ultimately it was

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Speaker 10: Israeli attacked and it's very difficult to continue negotiations after

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Speaker 10: as the President said, there was this, The Iranian president said,

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Speaker 10: there was this killings and very provocative attacks in the

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Speaker 10: Iranian capital and Iranian nuclear sites, which affected the very

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Speaker 10: subject that the talks had taken place between the US

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Speaker 10: and Iran. So I think that he kind of has

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Speaker 10: the understandable perception that if we the US engaged with

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Speaker 10: the talks with Iran again, which is very plausible and

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Speaker 10: the Irani seem to want to do it, who can

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Speaker 10: guarantee that that Nia won't intervene again. He'll attack, escalate,

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Speaker 10: maybe he'll kill Irani and political officials, and do whatever

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Speaker 10: it takes to avoid any deal taking place with the

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Speaker 10: US and Neuron. And I think Netanyahu's main issue is

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Speaker 10: actually not Iran's nuclear program. I think he just doesn't

487
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Speaker 10: want there to be a deal between the US and Neuron.

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Speaker 10: He wants Iran and the US to remain enemies and

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Speaker 10: the sanctions to stay on and things like that, because

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Speaker 10: that makes it easier for him to achieve his goal

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Speaker 10: of escalating gradually a direct confrontation militarily between Iran and

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Speaker 10: the US, which ultimately leads to regime change or heavy

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Speaker 10: destruction in Iran, even if it requires the US being

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Speaker 10: a war in that country and some point in the future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the nuclear program is largely a pre tax.

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Speaker 2: Not to say they don't care about it at all,

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Speaker 2: but mostly what Nanyahu's interest is in is in Iran

498
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Speaker 2: being a weakened or even failed state because he doesn't

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Speaker 2: want any sort of regional rival power to check his

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Speaker 2: you know, significant at this point, regional ambitions. There was

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Speaker 2: another section I wanted to get your reaction to that

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Speaker 2: I thought was really interesting. You know, as the whole

503
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Speaker 2: debate was unfolding about whether or not we should get

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Speaker 2: involved in a hot war with Iran and what was

505
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Speaker 2: the threat to US interests, et cetera, Routinely people who

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Speaker 2: were in favor of US, you know, getting going all

507
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Speaker 2: in for some regime change operation in Iran, they would

508
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Speaker 2: talk about these death to America chants and say, how

509
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Speaker 2: can you allow this regime to persist when they want

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Speaker 2: all Americans to be killed when they're out there chanting

511
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Speaker 2: death to America. So Tucker actually asked him about those chants,

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Speaker 2: which I thought led to an interesting exchange.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 8: Americans are afraid of Iran and they believe that Iran

515
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Speaker 8: would like to strike the United States with a nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 8: They see video of Iranians saying death to America, describing

517
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Speaker 8: our country as great Satan. What is your opinion of

518
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Speaker 8: that should we be afraid of Iran?

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Speaker 9: I believe that this is a very wrong impression that

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Speaker 9: anybody might have of Iran or the Iranians. I would

521
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Speaker 9: like to remind you that Iran has never invaded another

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Speaker 9: country in the last two hundred years. When they say

523
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Speaker 9: death to the United States, it doesn't mean death to

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Speaker 9: They don't mean death to the people of the United

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Speaker 9: States or even to the officials of the United States.

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Speaker 9: They mean death to crimes, death to killing and carnage,

527
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Speaker 9: death to supporting killing others, death to insecurity and instability.

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Speaker 9: Iranian killing an American have you ever heard that? Or

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Speaker 9: a terrorist that was Iranian and he carried out a

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Speaker 9: terrorist attack against the Americans. Know, it was it was

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Speaker 9: your president who confessed that the Americans created the isis

532
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Speaker 9: in our region and they were responsible for this wrong

533
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Speaker 9: image that is portrayed of religion or the Muslims in

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Speaker 9: the world. This is not death to the American people

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Speaker 9: or to the officials. Death to crimes and atrocities, to

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Speaker 9: to bullying, to to to the use of force and

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Speaker 9: anybody who would like to become an accomplice in the

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Speaker 9: in the crimes perpetrated by others.

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Speaker 3: Maz what did you make of that response?

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean to be clear, it's not a great slogan,

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Speaker 10: to be honest, it's kind of lend itself, to lend

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Speaker 10: itself to negative interpretations. Just space that said, you know,

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Speaker 10: I think it's also important to be aware that in

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Speaker 10: Iran in the past, this slogan of death to X

545
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Speaker 10: thing has been used for many different purposes than Mahmood

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Speaker 10: Amadinajad's political campaigns. Some years ago, I was talking about

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Speaker 10: the price of potatoes and the slogan became death to

548
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Speaker 10: potatoes because.

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Speaker 5: Of the price has been very high.

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Speaker 10: So, you know, it seems like there's some there could

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Speaker 10: be some cultural misinterpretation. But yet you know, still the

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Speaker 10: Iranian government since nineteen seventy nine, and I can go

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Speaker 10: in a long history of the events before that, but

554
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Speaker 10: it's has a defined itself as opposed to being American

555
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Speaker 10: presence in the Middle East, and as a possession said,

556
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Speaker 10: they associate that presence with oppression or war or sanctions

557
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Speaker 10: and all these other negative things not just directed to them,

558
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Speaker 10: but directing others as well too, So they defined themselves

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Speaker 10: in opposition to that ideologically, and you know, it makes

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Speaker 10: it difficult or harder than it would be otherwise to

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Speaker 10: engage in diplomacy of the US, because you have, at

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Speaker 10: least at a rhetorical level and the symbolic level, this

563
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Speaker 10: opposition definitely against the US. And people have actually asked

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Speaker 10: Iranian leaders about this before this slogan, and including the

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Speaker 10: Supreme Leader Alikamani, even Iranians at Baptist and it has

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Speaker 10: been discussed in Iranian television quite a bit, and they

567
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Speaker 10: kind of get the same answer every time, and they

568
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Speaker 10: kind of say it almost like, you know, of course,

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Speaker 10: we don't mean possibility to Americans or to America as

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Speaker 10: a country per se. We're talking about certain bad people

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Speaker 10: in America or certain things that the US is doing

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Speaker 10: in our region.

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Speaker 5: Which we don't like.

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Speaker 10: So you know that people can take that explanation on

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Speaker 10: its face, I still would say that really probably not

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Speaker 10: an advisable kind of slogan to use because for this reason,

577
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Speaker 10: but that's what they mean. I think it's reasonable in

578
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Speaker 10: the sense that there's no US security efficient who think

579
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Speaker 10: that Iran's trying to destroy America or using nuclear weapons

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Speaker 10: against America. It's not a serious sort of contention that

581
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Speaker 10: anyone who follows the subject thinks. But you know, there

582
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Speaker 10: is this historical and rhetorical tension between the two countries

583
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Speaker 10: which has makes it difficult as well to overcome people

584
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Speaker 10: like the Tanyahu were others who like to engineer direct

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Speaker 10: confrontation militarily between the two.

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Speaker 2: You know, there was another point, and I didn't pull

587
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Speaker 2: this particular clip, but there was another point where Tucker

588
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Speaker 2: was asking the President about their nuclear program and whether

589
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Speaker 2: they were developing a nuclear weapon, whether they wanted to

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Speaker 2: develop a nuclear weapon, and he indicated that this was

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Speaker 2: all just an invention of net Yahoo effectively, and the

592
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Speaker 2: Israelisi specifically pinned it on Netanya and said, like, listen,

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Speaker 2: there's a actually religious prohibition against developing nuclear weapons. We

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Speaker 2: have no interest in it. What did you make of

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Speaker 2: that particular comment and that framing.

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Speaker 10: So the current Supreme Leader if Ron has said before

597
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Speaker 10: these issued a edict saying that nuclear weapons are against

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Speaker 10: their values there against our religious beliefs. They are like

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Speaker 10: evil weapons. We don't want to introduce them to the

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Speaker 10: region or use them and so forth. So you know,

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Speaker 10: that is a position that they've taken before and that

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Speaker 10: they've continued to hold. We don't really know in a

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Speaker 10: sense of what that means per se, but I think

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Speaker 10: that's very clear if you look at Iran's behavior over

605
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Speaker 10: the last twenty years, they haven't been rushing to get

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Speaker 10: a nuclear weapon. They could have got a nuclear weapon

607
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Speaker 10: many many times in the past. That North Korea got

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Speaker 10: a nuclear weapons sometime in the last twenty years in

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Speaker 10: the world too. The Iranians have not tried to develop

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Speaker 10: a nuclear program for the purpose of getting weapons. They've

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Speaker 10: done it for a different purpose. They've done it to

612
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Speaker 10: give themselves a leverage for the removal of Western economic sanctions.

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Speaker 10: They never enriched uranium up to weapons grade. They reached

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Speaker 10: it past the grade which is used specifically for energy,

615
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Speaker 10: but they kept it in like a gray zone. They

616
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Speaker 10: never trieved this seriously of the weaponization program in a

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Speaker 10: way that endangered them, Because if you are going to

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Speaker 10: have a nuclear program at all and you're in batteroms

619
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Speaker 10: with the US, you're opening yourself up to scrutiny. And

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Speaker 10: you could either, in my opinion, I think most people

621
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Speaker 10: would agree with this. You either go all the way

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Speaker 10: and develop a nuclear weapon and get it deterned that

623
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Speaker 10: protect you and then no one cant attack you, and

624
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Speaker 10: then you're like North Korea and that people have to

625
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Speaker 10: you will do if they don't like you.

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Speaker 5: Or you can give it up entirely.

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Speaker 10: Getting a nuclear latency, having a program, enriching it but

628
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Speaker 10: not weaponizing it kind of gets you the worst of

629
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Speaker 10: both worlds. Yeah, you cut attacked by the Israelis, you

630
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Speaker 10: have sanctions, you have your Karia and what's mistreating you,

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Speaker 10: but you don't actually have anyclear weapon, so they can't

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Speaker 10: you actually defend yourself or deter people from attacking. I

633
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Speaker 10: think most security experts have assess also that the Israeli

634
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Speaker 10: attack that happened last month would not have happened had

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Speaker 10: the Iranians developed a nuclear weapon, and they may or

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Speaker 10: may not do that now, but their policy, I think

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Speaker 10: the issue is true, they have inside a nuclear weapon today,

638
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Speaker 10: but hasn't really gotten them much. Have they got them

639
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Speaker 10: in a very bad situation? Whereas I said, they have

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Speaker 10: the worst of both worlds.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'm sure they're looking at, for example,

642
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Speaker 2: Libya and saying, well, when you give up even the

643
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Speaker 2: latent threat of potentially developing a nuclear weapon, that's what

644
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Speaker 2: ends up to you, you know, happening to you. So

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Speaker 2: getting rid of it altogether, even if it gets rid

646
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Speaker 2: of this you know, this particular pretext for getting bombed

647
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Speaker 2: and attack, doesn't mean that Israel and the United States

648
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Speaker 2: are going to ultimately leave you alone.

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Speaker 10: Exactly giving up capitulating and doing what the US and

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Speaker 10: wants right now, or what the Israel actually wants a

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Speaker 10: but acceding to a full dismantling of any enrichment capacity.

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Speaker 10: The nuclear program itself. The Libya option, as it's called,

653
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Speaker 10: is not a very attractive option. It's very dangerous, very

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Speaker 10: iran actually, because the what it could be interpreted as is, well,

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Speaker 10: you're capitulating, you're weak, Let's keep pushing our advantage further

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Speaker 10: and let's keep this right. Well, the blood in the

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Speaker 10: water and take it.

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Speaker 5: All the way.

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Speaker 10: So I think that people who say that, well, you know,

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Speaker 10: things can be fine, you give up and we can

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Speaker 10: trade and things like that, it's a very very risky,

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Speaker 10: contentious and dangerous position.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that. I think the Iranians very much.

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Speaker 10: I'm thinking of what happened to Libya and Walmart Kadaffi

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Speaker 10: and so forth when they think of this option. So,

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Speaker 10: you know, I think that ultimately nuclearizing also is not

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Speaker 10: a very attractive option in some ways too.

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Speaker 5: It's very dangerous, it's very expensive.

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Speaker 10: You have to open yourself up to a whole do

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Speaker 10: different range of problems as a result of that. But

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Speaker 10: the Iranians have two very onerous options. It's not really

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Speaker 10: a good option on the table right now. There was

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Speaker 10: the possibility of a mutually beneficial agreement when they stayed

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Speaker 10: and had limited enrichment under international monitoring. The US and

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Speaker 10: the Trump administration initially suggested that they were okay with that,

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Speaker 10: but again there was this Israeli veto. There was a

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Speaker 10: Natannaho veto which took place, which said that no, no

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Speaker 10: enrichment can happen. People in the US who were sort

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Speaker 10: of aligned with the new Conservative Camp successfully inserted that

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Speaker 10: condition into later rounds of negotiation, so they kind of

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Speaker 10: closed off the ability if any enrichment happening at all,

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Speaker 10: or any deal really happening at all.

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Speaker 5: So now there's two options. Which is the Libya option,

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Speaker 5: which would.

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Speaker 10: Probably lead or could lead down the road to more

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Speaker 10: war between the US and Iran, a regime change war,

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Speaker 10: or this nuclearization, which could by a preemptive nuclear attack

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Speaker 10: by Israel or the US to try to stop that,

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Speaker 10: I could have attracted other forms of attack. And then

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Speaker 10: if they do it successfully, you have to modernize the

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Speaker 10: nuclear program. If they expanded, you have to develop it

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Speaker 10: all throughout the country. Look, you're starting in marathon, you're

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Speaker 10: not ending it, and that's very risky as well too

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Speaker 10: and very costly. So I think that, as said, there's

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Speaker 10: two very very onerous options. I think this is very

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Speaker 10: unfortunate that diplomacy was killed in twenty fifteen by Netanyahu

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Speaker 10: and then again more recently in the second Trump administration,

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Speaker 10: because that would have been better for all sides, would

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Speaker 10: have avoided the US war with Iran, and would have

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Speaker 10: avoided Iran having to fight to the US and Israel

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Speaker 10: and all the casualties that have taken place in both

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Speaker 10: sides and the results of that. So, you know, I

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Speaker 10: think that now we're in a much more dangerous and

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Speaker 10: fraud stays in this conflict rendering.

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Speaker 2: Let's go and turn to Naanyahu's visit to the White

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Speaker 2: House yesterday. You know, obviously all that we're discussing with

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Speaker 2: regards to Iran.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the back drop here.

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Speaker 2: Also the continued genocide in Gaza, these daily AID massacres ongoing,

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Speaker 2: you know, ceasefire talks which don't seem to be developing

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Speaker 2: very effectively at this point. That's some of the backdrop here.

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Speaker 2: And let me go ahead and start with this clip

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Speaker 2: of Natna who they're you know, sitting all sitting across

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Speaker 2: from each other at the dinner table, and Netna who

715
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Speaker 2: makes a big show of presenting Trump with these papers

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Speaker 2: where he says he has nominated him for a Nobel

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Speaker 2: Peace Prize.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and take a listen to that.

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Speaker 6: Express the appreciation and admiration not only of all Israelians,

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Speaker 6: but of the Jewish people and many many admirers around

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Speaker 6: the world for your leadership, your leadership of the free world,

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Speaker 6: your leadership of a just cause, and the pursuit of

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Speaker 6: peace and security in which you are leading in many lands,

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Speaker 6: but now especially in the Middle East. He forged the

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Speaker 6: Aram records. He's forging peace as we speak, and one

726
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Speaker 6: country and one region after the other. So I want

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Speaker 6: to present to you, mister President, the letter I sent

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Speaker 6: to the Nobel Prize Committee. It's nominating you for the

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Speaker 6: Peace Prize, which is well deserved and you should get it.

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Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 8: This I didn't know.

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Speaker 6: Wow, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 7: All coming from you in particular, this is a very

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Speaker 7: meaningful Thank you very much.

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Speaker 6: Baby, Thank you for everything you're doing. Thank you. It's

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Speaker 6: a great honor.

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Speaker 2: And if we can put B seven up on the screen,

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Speaker 2: these are images. So basically, at roughly the same time

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Speaker 2: that this whole you should get a Nobel Peace Prize

740
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Speaker 2: conversation is going on. This is the aftermath of tents

741
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Speaker 2: being bombed by Israel on the grounds of a school shelter.

742
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Speaker 2: This was happening while Natan I was arriving at.

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Speaker 3: The White House.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's Israel directly bombing these tenths of displaced

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Speaker 2: palace Estinians, and it's the United States of America that

746
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Speaker 2: is providing both the bombs and the diplomatic cover for

747
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Speaker 2: these sorts of horrors to continue. So it's just it's

748
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Speaker 2: so grotesque. I mean, you almost want to laugh at it.

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Speaker 2: But it's such so grotesque that these two people who

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Speaker 2: are perpetrating a genocide are patting each other on the

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Speaker 2: back like they're these great peacemakers.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, I feel that the Nobel Prize kind

753
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Speaker 10: of became a bit of a punch line ever since

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Speaker 10: Henry Kissinger won it.

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Speaker 5: But this is particularly grotesque. Sort of.

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Speaker 10: The example crystal, as he pointed out, those taking place

757
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Speaker 10: in guys that are right now is so horrifying. It

758
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Speaker 10: really is a genocide, and we're seeing it live streamed

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Speaker 10: in a way which had never seen any genocide in

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Speaker 10: the past, depicted and shown to us in the real time.

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Speaker 10: And I think that in Netanyahu's case, he's being he's

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Speaker 10: being cynical and smart in a way. He's taking advantage

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Speaker 10: of Trump's vanity. And you could see when Trump was

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Speaker 10: given the envelope with the nomination almost responds, you know, auditory.

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Speaker 2: Or create he is created up now he played it

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Speaker 2: exactly right.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you liked it, So you know, ultimately this is

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Speaker 10: an attempt to sort of it's almost depressing, to be honest,

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Speaker 10: the way that personalities can actually individual personalities can drive

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Speaker 10: politics in the sense, and that now knows how this

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Speaker 10: game is played very very well.

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Speaker 5: He's been around in Washington longer than Trump has.

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Speaker 10: Really, he knows how to change manipulate the levers of power.

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Speaker 5: He knows how to manipulate his interlocutors.

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Speaker 10: He knows how to push Trump's buttons, so to speak.

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Speaker 10: So you know, Trump that is not actually the first

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Speaker 10: person to nominate Trump for a Nobel Peace Prizers. The

778
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Speaker 10: Pakistani government nominated him for a peace for a few

779
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Speaker 10: weeks ago, as well to knowing the same sort of

780
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Speaker 10: vanity and the desire for this award that Trump has.

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Speaker 10: And I hope, I'm not very optimistic, but I hope

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Speaker 10: that in some sense Trump lived up through the which

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Speaker 10: he's seeking a Nobel Priest prize and at least the

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Speaker 10: clients to engage in further confrontations, at least the sense

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Speaker 10: with Iran. But you know, respecting that he's doing nothing

786
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Speaker 10: to stop what's going on in Gaza, He's arming it,

787
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Speaker 10: he's green lighting it, he's giving a political cover, and

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Speaker 10: he's also helping you bring it to a more extreme

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Speaker 10: stage where potentially the population of guys that will be

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Speaker 10: expelled from the territory entirely. That's what these really governments

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Speaker 10: saying NOWHO talked about in this meeting as well too,

792
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Speaker 10: And I think that is a very very grotesque and

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Speaker 10: dire escalation of the situation to what you can call

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Speaker 10: full blown ethnic cleansing.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a good segue to the next clip that

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Speaker 2: I have for you to react to, because Trump got

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Speaker 2: asked if the Palestinian relocation plan, also known as ethnic cleansing,

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Speaker 2: which Trump had floated of, Hey, let's get all of

799
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Speaker 2: these Palestinians down of Gaza so that me and my

800
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Speaker 2: billionaire buddies can come in and develop this beach front property.

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Speaker 2: People call it Gaza Lago. Is that still on the table,

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Speaker 2: he was asked, and he actually pitches the question over

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Speaker 2: to Natan Yahoo to get him to respond to it.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that exchange.

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Speaker 5: The city in relocation plans fell along the table. Is

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Speaker 5: there a plan that during any proder and finding fund Yeah,

807
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Speaker 5: maybe one or I let you answer that question, mister.

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Speaker 5: Where a man when he's got to answer.

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Speaker 11: I think President Trump had a brilliant vision. It's called

810
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Speaker 11: free choice. You know, if people want to stay, they

811
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Speaker 11: can stay, but if they want to leave, they should

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Speaker 11: be able to leave. It shouldn't be a prison, should

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Speaker 11: be an open place and give people a free choice.

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Speaker 11: We're working with the United States very closely about finding

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Speaker 11: countries that will seek to realize what they always say

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Speaker 11: that they want to give the Palestinians a better future

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Speaker 11: and those who and I think we're we're getting close

818
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Speaker 11: to finding several countries, and I think this will give

819
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Speaker 11: again the freedom to choose.

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Speaker 6: Palestinia should happen, and I hope that we can secure

821
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Speaker 6: it a close by.

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Speaker 7: And we've had great cooperation from surrounding meaning surrounding Israel,

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Speaker 7: surrounding countryes, great cooperation from every single one of them.

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Speaker 6: So something good will happen.

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Speaker 3: Freedom to choose mas who could object?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know this is the thing. Basically he's seeing

827
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Speaker 5: freedom to choose.

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Speaker 10: But he's the actual variable here is you can stay

829
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Speaker 10: and starve to death and be killed or leave.

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Speaker 5: In that sense, it is not the freedom to choose.

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Speaker 10: It's a duress, extreme extreme duress to try to force

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Speaker 10: people out.

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Speaker 5: What they're doing now is they're trying to concentrate.

834
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Speaker 10: This is the word that they actually use themselves to

835
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Speaker 10: concentrate the population in a very small southern stript and

836
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Speaker 10: I suppose eventually it make life so difficult and so

837
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Speaker 10: hopeless over a long period of time that piecemeal people

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Speaker 10: can be gotten out of there. And I think that,

839
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Speaker 10: regardless of Trump is saying, there's not really any country

840
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Speaker 10: which is going to take millions of people. It will

841
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Speaker 10: destabilize and either countries, people get very angry. They believe

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Speaker 10: in the Two States solutions on paper of these governments

843
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Speaker 10: around Israel as well too, and this will put an

844
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Speaker 10: end to that forever. What they may try to do

845
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Speaker 10: is to try to get you know, a thousand people

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Speaker 10: out here and there over a long period of time,

847
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Speaker 10: and gradually, you know, make pastings so miserable in this

848
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Speaker 10: place that they send them somewhere else in the world

849
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Speaker 10: that may take them. But you know, I don't I'm

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Speaker 10: skeptical that any country, as I said, is agreed to

851
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Speaker 10: take large numbers of people. There've been people floating in

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Speaker 10: the Israeli government sending them to Somami Land or Sudan

853
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Speaker 10: or Congo or other places like this, and this kind

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Speaker 10: of is reminiscent of you know, I hate to use

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Speaker 10: the analogy, but in World War two, the Madagascar plan

856
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Speaker 10: that they Germany out of sending the Jewish undesirable Jewish

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Speaker 10: population and saw.

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Speaker 5: It to the madagas star just send them far away,

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Speaker 5: somewhere in Africa, somewhere far away, someone have to hear

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Speaker 5: about them. That's the way that they're talking about the subject.

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Speaker 10: And again, this is not people leaving under free choic

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Speaker 10: the way that now was framing it. They're trying to

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Speaker 10: give him a choice. You can die, you can starve,

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Speaker 10: your family can be killed.

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Speaker 5: Here, or you can go somewhere.

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Speaker 10: We don't have to hear about you again, and you

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Speaker 10: won't really add anything over there either. But that's your choice.

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Speaker 10: You can die or you can leave. That's epic cleansing.

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Speaker 10: And his framing of it, which seems to portray it

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Speaker 10: in a more benign way, couldn't.

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Speaker 5: Be more further from the truth.

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Speaker 10: That's really, really terrible and monster's thing happening right now

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Speaker 10: and very unfortunate. It's very shameful. I think that the

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Speaker 10: US government is public facilitated. And again, and when Trump

875
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Speaker 10: talks about this, it seems like you've deferred the whole

876
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Speaker 10: policy that Netnago seem that is running the US at

877
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Speaker 10: least policy, because he didn't even get an answer to it.

878
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 10: He just said, well, mister Neiho, what do you think

879
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 10: about that? And let him effectively defying what is the

880
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 10: US policy on the subject.

881
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: He did the same thing when he got asked about

882
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: whether to state solution was still possible, he said the

883
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: same thing. Oh, let me give the question to the

884
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 2: best person in the world to answer that, and pitched

885
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: it over to net Yahoo, who you know, gave some

886
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: answer about how well, of course we'd love them to

887
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: have the you know, ability to govern, but he said,

888
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: we will always make sure that we have the ultimate

889
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: security control.

890
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: So effectively the answer there is no which has been

891
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 3: which is nothing new for.

892
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 2: I mean, this has been his life's project political project,

893
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: is to make sure and guarantee that Palestinians never have

894
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: a state of their own, and he's used any sort

895
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: of tactic that he possibly can in order to effectuate that.

896
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 10: Ocome, Yeah, you said that very well, Crystal. Both two

897
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 10: things those lifetime projects are preventing past and in state

898
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 10: and bombing ran and his.

899
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: Own political power. That would be the third yeah, in.

900
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 10: His own political power, and he's seen in a Trump

901
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 10: sort of like a cipher through which he can accomplish

902
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 10: these goals alongside uh, you know, and that said Biden

903
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 10: was also giving him as much support as he could

904
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 10: as well too. These are both very appliable and supportive administrations.

905
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 5: In the US.

906
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 10: I think the most important thing here is actually in

907
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 10: historical context, you look at Niao's career. He's fanatically wanted

908
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 10: these things for a very very long time. Whatever beliefs

909
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 10: Trump had or Biden had, uh, you know, they're seemed

910
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 10: much more malleable, to seem much more bleeding, you could.

911
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 5: Say, or you know, they did there to a degree.

912
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 10: When you have someone who's fanatically committed to what they

913
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 10: want and they know exactly what it is and they're

914
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 10: absolutely driven to get it, and you have an interlocka

915
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 10: or so on the other side who is unsure even

916
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 10: ten percent, I would bet on the person who knows

917
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 10: what they want getting what they want, and that's net Nyiaho.

918
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 10: In this case, he knows he wants to bomb Merun,

919
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 10: he knows he wants to stop at Palistinian state, expel

920
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 10: the Palestinians. Trump doesn't even know what he wants as

921
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 10: much he differs to net Niyaho even these questions to

922
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 10: the press. So I would expect net Nyaho to win

923
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 10: in this uh innocent scenario to get what he wants.

924
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 5: And I think it's.

925
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 10: Say that net now is almost running these policies in

926
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 10: a way in the US, and it's unfortunate, but that's

927
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 10: what appears to be the case.

928
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Which is not to take away agency or blame

929
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: from Trump because he's the one who's outsourced the policy

930
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: to NETANYAHUO.

931
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 3: But to say that ultimately.

932
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 2: Our interests are not being reflected here whatsoever, you know,

933
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Speaker 2: let alone forget about the interests of Palestinians. That doesn't

934
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: even enter into the equation. It's all been outsourced effectively

935
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Speaker 2: to Natanyao. And actually that's the last piece I want

936
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Speaker 2: to ask you about. Let's put B six up on

937
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 2: the screen here. This is one of these axios reports

938
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: from Barack revied. So you know, this is something that

939
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: has been leaked to him, either from the Israeli officials

940
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 2: or from the American officials. In any case, they think

941
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 2: that they can get Trump to give them a green

942
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: light to attack Iran again. They say that Ronderner Ron

943
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: Dermer told officials in close briefings he came away from

944
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: a recent visit to Washington with the impression Trump administration

945
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Speaker 2: would back new Israeli strikes on Iran under certain circumstances.

946
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Speaker 2: One scenario would be an Iranian attempt to remove the

947
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Speaker 2: highly imbris uranium inside the damaged facilities. Another would be

948
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: if the Iranians are rebuilding their nuclear program. They go

949
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Speaker 2: on to say that Dermer met last week with Vice

950
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Speaker 2: President Jaety Vance, Secretary of State Marko Rubio, and White

951
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: House Envoy Steve Whitcoff, and so I think this speaks

952
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: directly to your point of the Israelis know very much

953
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: what they want to do, and so what they feel

954
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 2: like they can do is create this framework of like, well,

955
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, this is this whole.

956
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: Twelve day war piece situation.

957
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 2: This is great for now, but obviously if Iran goes

958
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Speaker 2: back to building a nuclear weapon, then we're going to

959
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: have to go back in. And then, as we know

960
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: from the last time, the last war with Iran, you know,

961
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: mere weeks ago, there was no actual change in Iranian

962
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: nuclear development. There was just a pretext that was created

963
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: of oh, now's the time we have to go, and

964
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Speaker 2: this is urgent, so there's nothing to stop them again

965
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Speaker 2: from producing some sort of intelligence estimate that oh my god,

966
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: Iran is rushing to a nuclear weapon, not to mention

967
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Speaker 2: that they may well do that at this point, because

968
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Speaker 2: the logic that this war on them from Israel in

969
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: the US has created is one that would lead you

970
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: logically to conclude, I guess I have no choice but

971
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Speaker 2: to develop a nuclear weapon to give myself some sort

972
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Speaker 2: of protection against these maniacs.

973
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Speaker 10: I think the real purpose of this war last month

974
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Speaker 10: was actually not to stop the nuclear program, as really didn't.

975
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Speaker 10: As you pointed out, they still have a problem, and

976
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Speaker 10: they can reconstitute in a year or two. It's not

977
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Speaker 10: a huge impediment. What they really are seeking is to

978
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Speaker 10: make it normal to bombing Iran. They wanted to make

979
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Speaker 10: it like Iraq in the nineties, where the US and

980
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 10: other countries could bomb the country whenever they wanted. They

981
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 10: can gradually weaken the country, weaken its sovereignty, undermine it,

982
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 10: and so forth, such that maybe in ten years from now,

983
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Speaker 10: after that's been done, we bomb Iran all the time,

984
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 10: and we fight them all the time, they can say, well,

985
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 10: we'll just sumergme change, then let's just get it, take

986
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 10: it one more notch further. I think it's about turning

987
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 10: up the temperature gradually. That was the purpose of bombing

988
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 10: Iran in this case. And when they're saying we want

989
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 10: to green light, it's not saying that give us permission.

990
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 10: The whole question was about they're saying, you know, you

991
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 10: need to provide a support the US arms these attacks.

992
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 10: It gives fuel for them, it gives logistics and intelligence.

993
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 10: It's saying that you're committing to being part of the

994
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 10: future operations. It's not just about Israeli. It's about the

995
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 10: work could not have happened without very very intensive American

996
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 10: support at all levels, logistical, tactical, strategic, very very practical

997
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 10: weapons and logistics and so forth. And it's saying these

998
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 10: promises and guarantees I interpret them, is saying that you

999
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 10: will commit to giving us that support in the future,

1000
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 10: because without that, Iran's very far away from Israel. They

1001
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 10: can't really carry out the attacks, they can't really do

1002
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 10: anything they're doing without American, very intensive American backing. So

1003
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 10: I think that now it's basically looping America into a

1004
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 10: forever war with Iran. But he's doing in a slow,

1005
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 10: gradual way, whereas you get the commitments first the original attack,

1006
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 10: then you give commitments for their attacks, and then ten

1007
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 10: years from now, who knows, you could see an aerroch

1008
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 10: type situation gradually developed where the US is forced to

1009
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 10: ultimately do regime change, may put boots on the ground

1010
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 10: and so forth, and none of us ever really knew

1011
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 10: how it got to that point. We won't paying attention

1012
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 10: was happening today. But I think that's when that Neil's

1013
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 10: aim is, and that's what the administration is gradually allowing

1014
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 10: itself to be roped into.

1015
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 2: I think, unfortunately, that looks very likely. All right, Martaza Hussain,

1016
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me this morning helping

1017
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: make sense of all of these things.

1018
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Speaker 5: Thanks Chris,