WEBVTT - #52 - Luke Laird 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:03.720 All right, welcome to episode fifty two The Bobby Cast 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.800 here with Luc Lair, who is and I said this 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:13.160 before you're here, like you're the the upper one of 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.120 songwriters here in Nashville. You don't have to comment on this, 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.239 you don't want, but you know that was go. You 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:19.720 know the top dude percent of American rich people. You're 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.520 that of the songwriters in town. I mean, I guess 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:26.040 right at this very moment in time that can change 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:28.960 quickly that when did that happen? Again? I don't have 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:35.000 any notes here, so I twenty one number one. It's close, 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:38.360 just because I had one last week. Okay, what was 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:43.160 last week? Luke Bryan, Oh Flask? Yeah, I haven't heard 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:44.920 that yet. Oh you don't hear Flask. I'll play it 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:46.519 for you a little bit because I was gonna so. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:49.080 And that was Luke's six number one from that record, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.120 which is a whole two guy right now, it's a 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:58.600 wholeful can you hear him? Yeah? Still, Luke, Hey, there 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:00.680 you go. We had we had an actually met until 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.320 the A C M. S. Yeah, the first time that. Uh, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.760 I guess we physically had run into each other. Uh So, 0:01:08.240 --> 0:01:10.840 congrats on that's that new number one, thank you does 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.280 it by Okay, here's a question for you. These things 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:17.399 move so fast, now fast, it moves so fast, especially Luke, Bryan, 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:22.720 Luke or Blake, Yeah, the the the A Listers. Again, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.399 is that frustrating for you as a writer, because again, 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.560 you're not making as much if it flies up the 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.640 chart so fast. Well, no, it's not frustrating because with 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.720 a guy like that, And first of all, there are 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.640 no guarantees. But if Luke Bryant at this point in 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.640 time puts a song out, it's you're pretty much guaranteed 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.039 it's gonna be a hit. With other new artists, you 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.679 don't know. I mean, it can be a longer ride 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.080 and a better, better payout possibly, but with a superstar 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.960 it's you're never I'm not frustrated with that. That's just 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.280 part of the game where if Luke cuts it, you 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.080 know what's going to be about a thirteen week or 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:02.960 maybe Yeah, right now, that's true, Like Luke does that, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:06.320 Blake does that. They're about four or five people who 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:09.200 really like they're going to be hits and they're gonna 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.799 fly up the chart and then here comes the other one. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:13.720 That's the only reason Luken puts six songs out on 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:16.720 a record because they move so fast, but they didn't 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:19.560 if it was ten years ago. Yeah, I mean you 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:23.640 gotta get onto the next record because it just you know, 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.440 the label can't sit on a on an album for 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:29.280 that long. They need new product. But yeah, with Luke, 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.960 I mean, he doesn't have time to get in there 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.000 and he can't record fast enough. Are you the hardest 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.600 person to book a right with? In town? No? You 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:39.160 say that fast? You don't think you are. Who who's 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.320 harder to book with you? Um than you? Probably Ashley 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.600 Gory And I mean there's probably a lot of other ones. 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.040 But someone like Ashley. I mean that guy now, I 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.080 will say he writes more than I do. He'll he'll 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.040 write two or three times a day. Still, I mean 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.160 it's someone like that. It blows my mind. Um, I 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.480 can't do it. I just don't have I'm just not 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.639 that good. I can't do that at one time of 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.640 day is like perfect for me. And honestly, ideally I 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:10.680 would write three, four at the most times a week. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:12.600 And how many of those songs if you write four 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.320 songs in a way, how many those songs ever actually 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.320 see the light of day? I mean, if one of 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.919 them did, that would be amazing. But it's not even that. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.080 Is it like a race horse that has one the 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:28.000 Kentucky Derby, and like he's a help on other horses, right, 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:31.440 And it's like one of the horses is probably going 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:35.360 to be a nice horse. It's probably genetically it's probably 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.680 going to be a very fast horse, but all of 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.800 them aren't. But you're gonna get some real powerful horses 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.400 if you if you would you say that, you're like 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:48.320 basically the what was that movie with Toby Keith McGuire, 0:03:48.920 --> 0:03:52.440 I used the Sea Biscuit of songwriters. I mean, Rodney 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.080 Clawson is probably more of a stud horse than I am, 0:03:55.120 --> 0:04:00.680 but Toby Keith, yeah, the Toby McGuire, Yeah, so Rodney 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:02.920 class is more of the I mean, here's the thing, 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:05.200 like you know, and and where I'm at too. I'm 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.480 fortunate because I do get to write with the other 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:10.920 writers that are having the current hits on the chart. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.600 So it's kind of like this perfect timing where you're 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.720 writing with everybody that has stuff going on, so you're 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:21.520 constantly raising the bar. Now I try to write with 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.280 new people too, because at some point you just write yourself, right, 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:27.240 out of the game. But if you don't get new 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.920 fresh ideas. But my odds are a lot better right 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.320 now than they were ten years ago. So uh, I mean, 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.840 I have I have all of your your number one's here, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:39.640 and you know, we get spend an hour going over 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.960 each song. I guess let's start with the very beginning, 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.320 and we'll start with your first ever number one. Talk 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:47.679 about that one? Which one? Was? It? So small? Carry Underwood? 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.960 Carry Underwood? And um it was. I mean, here's the thing. 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.200 She had just come off an album that was like 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.240 Sol ended up selling like seven million records. I had 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.200 zero hits. So for me to get the opportunity to 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.440 work with her before that second record, when everybody in 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:06.599 town was trying to write with her, how does that 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.480 happen then? If you have zero hits and carries Carry? Well, 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:13.000 A couple of things happened with that. First of all, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.799 I was I'm friends with Hillary Lindsay and we wrote 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.200 songs together and carries like you know, Hillary is like 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.320 the go to writer for Carrie Underwood, So I had 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:24.799 already been writing with Hillary. And then there was also 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.240 a publisher in town who I worked with named Chris Oglesby, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.000 and He was at the time really helping introduce Carry 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.479 to the songwriting community, so I had him on my 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.880 team as well as someone like Hillary. And then she 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.480 had heard a couple of other songs that I had 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.880 written that she liked enough to give me a shot 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.240 to write. When you go on with someone like Carry 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.080 for the first time and you're green, you're you're green 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:52.440 as far as hits and zero hits? Are you super 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.600 overly prepared and are you a little nervous walking into 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.680 the room that she's gonna think what did I get 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:00.880 myself into? Absolutely? And I still go that way, but yeah, 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:04.400 we definitely, Hillary and I got together the night before 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:06.960 and try to come up with as many ideas to 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.160 throw to her as possible. And the thing is, Carrie 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:10.839 can write too, But you don't want to go in 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.159 there and say, hey, I wonder what's gonna happen today. 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:15.960 You want to have stuff like here's the title, here's 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.440 a like this song is going down the road. Um, 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:23.360 but yes, it's nerve racking and for sure really nerve 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.320 wracking then. And it's still that way when you get 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.239 with like a big artist, because you don't it's always 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.919 I think that those insecurities that we all have. You're like, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:33.080 I don't want them to think I suck and I don't. 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.600 I just want to come up with something. Walking into 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:41.880 a room with blank was the most intimidating you'd ever felt. 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:49.080 Oh man, Brett Michaels, No, Um, have you written more? 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:53.680 Brett the nicest guy, so nice and like full of 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.760 energy and like you just want he wants to hug you, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.000 and you they're like, okay, I'll hog you back. I 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.800 mean that was That's the funniest thing. I literally went 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:02.920 on Twitter kind of as a joke but kind of 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.159 not because like my kid's self was like a huge 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:10.040 poison fan and um, I literally like at Brett Michaels, 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.920 you know, would you ever? You know, if anybody knows 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:13.920 Brett Michaels, you know, I'd love to write a song 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.760 with him. And I swear the next day I get 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:19.280 a call from Brett Michaels on my He's like, hey man, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:22.640 he got my number from like a like a newspaper 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.080 writer or something. I can't remember who may have been. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.800 I don't even remember. Such a nice guy, so nice, 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.720 positive makes you feel like remember Brett too, And I 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.520 was like, oh boy, like am I because for me, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.000 I'm a guy that doesn't like to me people that 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.880 they really because humans are human and the bad thing 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.200 about humans being human is we're all faulted in a 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:45.880 flaw and we put our heroes in this place where 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.640 they don't have faults and flaws. Definitely, Brett was awesome. 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.400 He really lived up to the hype and he's just 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.800 to speaking of you know, a lot of energy. I'm 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:59.800 just like crazy. But who um, yeah, okay, so we'll 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:01.800 take right off the alf Who else did you want? 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.200 Somebody called you said hey, we want you to go 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:08.560 right with and you're like, oh, okay, Snoop Dogg? What 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.240 you wrote with? Snoop? I did just me and him. 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:15.440 I did a panel with him out during like Grammy 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:20.440 Week out at the at the Roxy and Hollywood, and 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:22.400 it was like a B and I panel where so 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.760 they had different writers from difference. This would have been 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:30.520 three years ago. Yeah, and um, so we're there. It's 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:34.319 like a noontime thing and it's all like aspiring songwriters 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.640 and producers and then it's like me from that, I'm 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:43.200 like the country guy and uh bust of rhymes. Snoop Dogg, 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:47.600 b O B and David Hodges, and um, I mean, 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.000 I'm like big hip hop fans, so like this is 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.800 I can't believe it. Snoop is gonna be there. So 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:57.120 my wife Beth, who is my manager and publisher and 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:01.080 basically runs everything. After the show, she goes, hey, I 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.160 think I think I got you a day to work 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.400 with Snoop. I was like, no way, So I go back. 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.880 I go backstage after the show and um, she's in 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.679 this dressing room with I swear like a like just 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:17.559 this huge on this dressing room table, huge amount of weed. 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.920 And it's just funny seeing my wife in that setting 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.040 just talking to these guys and like just like doing this, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:25.960 like getting the smoke out of her face. And she 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.079 told me after I was like, no, it's not gonna happen. 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.680 He'll cancel. Why would he want to work with me? 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.679 He doesn't, you know. But it happened. I went out 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.000 to l A for it was supposed to be two days. 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.040 They canceled one day and so I worked with him 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:41.160 for about three hours and we did a song. It's 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:45.280 never been released, but you got the memory, yeah, and 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:47.040 I have it, like I can listen to it and 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:50.959 you have one of my buddies did a story on 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.720 Snoop once and he doesn't smoke a lot of weed, 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.280 but he smoked Snoops weed. Yeah, he doesn't remember like 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.680 he did. He remember waking up in his car and 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.360 he was like, well, I don't know what happened like 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.320 that because I'm I'm also a huge hip hop fan. Yeah, 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:09.600 and so I was like, do you tell me everything? 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.720 So and he was like, Snoop offered me some weed 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:18.440 and that's about all I remember. Man. Yeah, I was. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.120 I think I probably got like a contact time, but 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.720 I've I've been sober for over ten years. So I 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.040 was like, even Snoop wasn't worth messing it up. But 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.920 I did have an amazing experience and we were. But 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.160 I was really going back to what you're saying, I 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.160 was really nervous going into that because I'm like, what's 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:39.000 he gonna think? You know? But he was. He couldn't 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:41.640 have been nicer. He was actually a lot of times 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.400 the artist you're like, when are they going to show up? 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.119 He was there before I was. He was so professional, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.040 like you get to see him do what he excels at. 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:52.560 And he literally got out the yellow legal pad and 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.160 I had written this chorus and I played that for him, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.200 and then just I had a track and so he 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.640 wrote the verses. We didn't really collaborate. That's kind of 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:02.679 how in hip hop alot it works. It's not like 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:04.920 you sit there like, well's let's talk about It's like no, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:08.400 it's more freestyle. And but I see him just writing 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.160 on these sheets of legal and I was like, I 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.559 was somebody who's video and this didn't He didn't keep paper. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:18.600 He wrote on it that have been whenever a picture 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.760 of it you're taking made that a different road here 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:22.839 because you talk now it was busted fat by then 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:27.640 he was he was w WF. I mean he was 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.400 he was this okay, so he was muscular. Now he's 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.600 just really fat. He looks bad. It's not good. Yeah, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.319 And Busta was I mean Buster, I was the first 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:42.040 guy that I remember my childhood that went super fast, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.640 super fast. Yeah, like you had like super Sonic and 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.800 stuff that, you know, But Buster for me, you know, 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:51.120 whenever it was put your hands, you know, I was. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.680 I never anything like Bustle from my life. And I 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:54.920 was like, I don't even know what he's saying about, 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:58.959 like it, yeah, exactly. It sounded cool and and Buz 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:00.720 even though he's fat, I I want to bet award 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.200 life and he's still I guess body ties on fact rhyme. No, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.960 it didn't change his lips. And b O b is 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:12.840 like the craziest multi instrumentalist. Yeah, he's super talented, super centric. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:16.000 Oh yeah he's he's not. But you know, to be creative, 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:19.160 you gotta be nuts. Yeah, and he's nuts, but he's 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.959 so musically gift and I you know what, I I 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:23.600 did hip hop and pop radio for a long time, 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:24.800 so I had to meet a lot of these guys, 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:27.160 and a lot of the studio session would go like this, 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.640 let's go in the studio, we'll get high. We'll just 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.360 play a play a beat, you know, we'll throw some 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.480 some bars over it. Like we like that one, Let's 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:39.240 do another one. But Bob was like guitars tracks. Like 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:43.679 it was like for a hip hop guy, that's that's different. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.880 When they see you pick up a guitar, they're like, wow, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.800 what is this? But like, yeah, he is like that. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.760 I try to go to Atlanta like at least once 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:54.480 or twice a year, and I've have gone down there 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.079 to work with Bob and with Future and none of 0:12:58.160 --> 0:13:00.600 these songs have come to fruit shi as far as 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.640 coming up. But for me, like I don't even care 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.959 because I'm just like a kid at that point. It's 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.120 like there's no expectation of like, oh I have to 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:10.120 come up with their next single or and it's just 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:14.720 so much fun if like my goal is to like, right, 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:16.720 you know, get a song on the hip hop charts 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.480 at some point that Future stuff that that's that's cool 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:23.880 because Future is like the I mean, Snoop Bust even 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.760 b O b is a half a generation back at 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.280 this point. Um you know Airplanes and Magic that that 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.520 whole record, you know, um Bob. But this is you know, 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.680 yeah that that's been a bit. But like Future right 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.960 now I is doing it. He is, and it's he's 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:39.520 one of those guys too. Like some of the stuff 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.520 I hear him like like am I just out of 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:43.319 the Like then I start feeling old and like is 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.199 this good? But then I'll hear something like why do 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.800 I want to listen to that? Again? It seems so 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.360 dumb at first, and then you're like why do how 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:52.240 do they feel about you? Though? Because here you come 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.040 in You're like me, we're just pasty goofy guys. You know, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.040 I think there's something almost that there's just something and 0:14:00.160 --> 0:14:02.760 it's almost disarming about it. It's not like I'm coming 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:08.360 in trying to be them and you're not competing, right, 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.080 I'm not in the grind every day like with all 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.959 the other producers there. So it's it's I think it's 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:15.559 just like a kind of like it is for me. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.160 It's a different experience for them, and they're just intrigued 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.760 by the Oh, he plays a guitar, he knows Luke 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.080 Brian or whatever. You know what I mean, Do they 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.880 really know that anything about country? Because not much. I 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.360 mean some of them might, but I it's funny. It'll 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.400 be You'll talk to a couple of guys in that 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:38.280 world they're like, yeah, man, I know Rascal Flats and 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:41.840 which cool you know. 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All right, so how about this, 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.800 let's let's do some carry stuff. So last name you 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.680 wrote this one? Would you write this way? Carrie and Hillary, 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.520 we actually wrote that the day after we wrote So Small, which, 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.480 so you do two songs? Did you? Were those the 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.480 only two songs that you wrote in those two days? No, 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.240 we ended up writing I think we wrote one other 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.480 songs that didn't end up making it onto the record. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:04.960 When you okay, let's let you finish those three songs, 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:06.920 are you like we can? I felt pretty good about 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.239 these three or this one or these two? Like did 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.280 you know kind of well that's well. The thing is 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.320 I hadn't had any hits. I knew that like last 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:18.000 name sounded more hit ish, but I knew I really 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:20.359 liked So Small, Like I felt something we played it. 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.720 When you're sitting in the room with just the guitars 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.840 and the two of them are singing it together, it's like, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.840 you know, this is amazing When Hillary Linday can sing 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:30.160 with Carrie, Oh yeah, Like that's the crazy thing about 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.479 her is that she can sing with like I mean, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.760 with that level. No, it's it's amazing, And I just 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.240 felt lucky to be in that room, to be honest. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:43.479 So you cut those two? I got you recorded? Are 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.600 you write those two? Um? When do you get back that, Hey, 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:50.000 we're actually gonna put these on a record, because that's 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.240 first before single, Like, let's say we're actually gonna cut 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.920 these songs, um, I mean it was it wasn't too long, um, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.560 because I remember we wrote this in like February, and 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.960 the first single came out, I want to say, in 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.360 June or July, which is still a little bit of time. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.200 So what was the first thing? One of you? It 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.480 was so small, man, when you get that call that 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.480 it's the first thing on the record and it was 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.960 my first single, and I remember, I mean I was 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.280 literally right down the street here at this condo I 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.040 told you, um that I lived in, and I just 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.320 remember exactly where it was when I got the call, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.320 and it's like this surreal moment. It's like wow. As 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.680 a kid, you dream of writing songs and like want 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:28.560 something on the radio, and this song is going to 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.040 be on the radio. And it's Carrie Underwood, who just 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:33.560 came off the biggest album of the year or whatever, 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:38.359 and this is starting her next Your first single was 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.520 Carrie's first single from that record. Ever, Yeah, when you 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.880 get your very first check, because they started, they drip 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.600 in and they hit. When you get that first writing 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.560 check for a number one song, it's not that big, right, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.240 The first one the very first, very firstly takes it 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:58.399 takes a long time to get paid out. Yeah, I 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.240 don't know the exact but it's an apex a year. Yeah, 0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:05.240 there's probably like, yeah, probably a year, and then there's 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:07.720 a couple of big quarters and then it starts dwindling off. 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:10.920 But I'm always intrigued by people when they say songs 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:12.960 either fell out of them in like thirty minutes or 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.800 took days and days. For example, Shane McK and I 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:18.720 was talking about how they did body like a background 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:21.560 it took weeks. Yeah, well, you know, and I think 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.680 a lot of that that's Sam's process. He you know, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.800 it's it's not wrong, it's just a different I mean 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.560 obviously that that song is massive, but it might not 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:35.359 sound like something that they spent days and days on. 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:39.520 But yeah, every song is different. So what song was 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.600 like backbreaking for you to ended up being this hit? 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:43.800 You're like, I can't believe we get we finished it 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.760 because it was just like, what in the world, Well, 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:50.440 you know, a song and I haven't had one that 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:53.320 I've spent days and days writing, but it's taken a 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.400 long time to get to like and this is after 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.960 this big build up here and be like, what, that's 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.600 like the dumbest song that her but hill Billy Boone. 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:07.320 Literally Craig, Yeah, Craig Wiseman and I got together and 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.920 we were grinding on this other idea all day, like 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:13.879 just and this is like a real testament to Craig 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.720