Speaker 1: All right, welcome to episode fifty two The Bobby Cast
Speaker 1: here with Luc Lair, who is and I said this
Speaker 1: before you're here, like you're the the upper one of
Speaker 1: songwriters here in Nashville. You don't have to comment on this,
Speaker 1: you don't want, but you know that was go. You
Speaker 1: know the top dude percent of American rich people. You're
Speaker 1: that of the songwriters in town. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: right at this very moment in time that can change
Speaker 1: quickly that when did that happen? Again? I don't have
Speaker 1: any notes here, so I twenty one number one. It's close,
Speaker 1: just because I had one last week. Okay, what was
Speaker 1: last week? Luke Bryan, Oh Flask? Yeah, I haven't heard
Speaker 1: that yet. Oh you don't hear Flask. I'll play it
Speaker 1: for you a little bit because I was gonna so.
Speaker 1: And that was Luke's six number one from that record,
Speaker 1: which is a whole two guy right now, it's a
Speaker 1: wholeful can you hear him? Yeah? Still, Luke, Hey, there
Speaker 1: you go. We had we had an actually met until
Speaker 1: the A C M. S. Yeah, the first time that. Uh,
Speaker 1: I guess we physically had run into each other. Uh So,
Speaker 1: congrats on that's that new number one, thank you does
Speaker 1: it by Okay, here's a question for you. These things
Speaker 1: move so fast, now fast, it moves so fast, especially Luke, Bryan,
Speaker 1: Luke or Blake, Yeah, the the the A Listers. Again,
Speaker 1: is that frustrating for you as a writer, because again,
Speaker 1: you're not making as much if it flies up the
Speaker 1: chart so fast. Well, no, it's not frustrating because with
Speaker 1: a guy like that, And first of all, there are
Speaker 1: no guarantees. But if Luke Bryant at this point in
Speaker 1: time puts a song out, it's you're pretty much guaranteed
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a hit. With other new artists, you
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it can be a longer ride
Speaker 1: and a better, better payout possibly, but with a superstar
Speaker 1: it's you're never I'm not frustrated with that. That's just
Speaker 1: part of the game where if Luke cuts it, you
Speaker 1: know what's going to be about a thirteen week or
Speaker 1: maybe Yeah, right now, that's true, Like Luke does that,
Speaker 1: Blake does that. They're about four or five people who
Speaker 1: really like they're going to be hits and they're gonna
Speaker 1: fly up the chart and then here comes the other one.
Speaker 1: That's the only reason Luken puts six songs out on
Speaker 1: a record because they move so fast, but they didn't
Speaker 1: if it was ten years ago. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 1: gotta get onto the next record because it just you know,
Speaker 1: the label can't sit on a on an album for
Speaker 1: that long. They need new product. But yeah, with Luke,
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't have time to get in there
Speaker 1: and he can't record fast enough. Are you the hardest
Speaker 1: person to book a right with? In town? No? You
Speaker 1: say that fast? You don't think you are. Who who's
Speaker 1: harder to book with you? Um than you? Probably Ashley
Speaker 1: Gory And I mean there's probably a lot of other ones.
Speaker 1: But someone like Ashley. I mean that guy now, I
Speaker 1: will say he writes more than I do. He'll he'll
Speaker 1: write two or three times a day. Still, I mean
Speaker 1: it's someone like that. It blows my mind. Um, I
Speaker 1: can't do it. I just don't have I'm just not
Speaker 1: that good. I can't do that at one time of
Speaker 1: day is like perfect for me. And honestly, ideally I
Speaker 1: would write three, four at the most times a week.
Speaker 1: And how many of those songs if you write four
Speaker 1: songs in a way, how many those songs ever actually
Speaker 1: see the light of day? I mean, if one of
Speaker 1: them did, that would be amazing. But it's not even that.
Speaker 1: Is it like a race horse that has one the
Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby, and like he's a help on other horses, right,
Speaker 1: And it's like one of the horses is probably going
Speaker 1: to be a nice horse. It's probably genetically it's probably
Speaker 1: going to be a very fast horse, but all of
Speaker 1: them aren't. But you're gonna get some real powerful horses
Speaker 1: if you if you would you say that, you're like
Speaker 1: basically the what was that movie with Toby Keith McGuire,
Speaker 1: I used the Sea Biscuit of songwriters. I mean, Rodney
Speaker 1: Clawson is probably more of a stud horse than I am,
Speaker 1: but Toby Keith, yeah, the Toby McGuire, Yeah, so Rodney
Speaker 1: class is more of the I mean, here's the thing,
Speaker 1: like you know, and and where I'm at too. I'm
Speaker 1: fortunate because I do get to write with the other
Speaker 1: writers that are having the current hits on the chart.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like this perfect timing where you're
Speaker 1: writing with everybody that has stuff going on, so you're
Speaker 1: constantly raising the bar. Now I try to write with
Speaker 1: new people too, because at some point you just write yourself, right,
Speaker 1: out of the game. But if you don't get new
Speaker 1: fresh ideas. But my odds are a lot better right
Speaker 1: now than they were ten years ago. So uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: I have I have all of your your number one's here,
Speaker 1: and you know, we get spend an hour going over
Speaker 1: each song. I guess let's start with the very beginning,
Speaker 1: and we'll start with your first ever number one. Talk
Speaker 1: about that one? Which one? Was? It? So small? Carry Underwood?
Speaker 1: Carry Underwood? And um it was. I mean, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: She had just come off an album that was like
Speaker 1: Sol ended up selling like seven million records. I had
Speaker 1: zero hits. So for me to get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: work with her before that second record, when everybody in
Speaker 1: town was trying to write with her, how does that
Speaker 1: happen then? If you have zero hits and carries Carry? Well,
Speaker 1: A couple of things happened with that. First of all,
Speaker 1: I was I'm friends with Hillary Lindsay and we wrote
Speaker 1: songs together and carries like you know, Hillary is like
Speaker 1: the go to writer for Carrie Underwood, So I had
Speaker 1: already been writing with Hillary. And then there was also
Speaker 1: a publisher in town who I worked with named Chris Oglesby,
Speaker 1: and He was at the time really helping introduce Carry
Speaker 1: to the songwriting community, so I had him on my
Speaker 1: team as well as someone like Hillary. And then she
Speaker 1: had heard a couple of other songs that I had
Speaker 1: written that she liked enough to give me a shot
Speaker 1: to write. When you go on with someone like Carry
Speaker 1: for the first time and you're green, you're you're green
Speaker 1: as far as hits and zero hits? Are you super
Speaker 1: overly prepared and are you a little nervous walking into
Speaker 1: the room that she's gonna think what did I get
Speaker 1: myself into? Absolutely? And I still go that way, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely, Hillary and I got together the night before
Speaker 1: and try to come up with as many ideas to
Speaker 1: throw to her as possible. And the thing is, Carrie
Speaker 1: can write too, But you don't want to go in
Speaker 1: there and say, hey, I wonder what's gonna happen today.
Speaker 1: You want to have stuff like here's the title, here's
Speaker 1: a like this song is going down the road. Um,
Speaker 1: but yes, it's nerve racking and for sure really nerve
Speaker 1: wracking then. And it's still that way when you get
Speaker 1: with like a big artist, because you don't it's always
Speaker 1: I think that those insecurities that we all have. You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want them to think I suck and I don't.
Speaker 1: I just want to come up with something. Walking into
Speaker 1: a room with blank was the most intimidating you'd ever felt.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Brett Michaels, No, Um, have you written more?
Speaker 1: Brett the nicest guy, so nice and like full of
Speaker 1: energy and like you just want he wants to hug you,
Speaker 1: and you they're like, okay, I'll hog you back. I
Speaker 1: mean that was That's the funniest thing. I literally went
Speaker 1: on Twitter kind of as a joke but kind of
Speaker 1: not because like my kid's self was like a huge
Speaker 1: poison fan and um, I literally like at Brett Michaels,
Speaker 1: you know, would you ever? You know, if anybody knows
Speaker 1: Brett Michaels, you know, I'd love to write a song
Speaker 1: with him. And I swear the next day I get
Speaker 1: a call from Brett Michaels on my He's like, hey man,
Speaker 1: he got my number from like a like a newspaper
Speaker 1: writer or something. I can't remember who may have been.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember. Such a nice guy, so nice,
Speaker 1: positive makes you feel like remember Brett too, And I
Speaker 1: was like, oh boy, like am I because for me,
Speaker 1: I'm a guy that doesn't like to me people that
Speaker 1: they really because humans are human and the bad thing
Speaker 1: about humans being human is we're all faulted in a
Speaker 1: flaw and we put our heroes in this place where
Speaker 1: they don't have faults and flaws. Definitely, Brett was awesome.
Speaker 1: He really lived up to the hype and he's just
Speaker 1: to speaking of you know, a lot of energy. I'm
Speaker 1: just like crazy. But who um, yeah, okay, so we'll
Speaker 1: take right off the alf Who else did you want?
Speaker 1: Somebody called you said hey, we want you to go
Speaker 1: right with and you're like, oh, okay, Snoop Dogg? What
Speaker 1: you wrote with? Snoop? I did just me and him.
Speaker 1: I did a panel with him out during like Grammy
Speaker 1: Week out at the at the Roxy and Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: it was like a B and I panel where so
Speaker 1: they had different writers from difference. This would have been
Speaker 1: three years ago. Yeah, and um, so we're there. It's
Speaker 1: like a noontime thing and it's all like aspiring songwriters
Speaker 1: and producers and then it's like me from that, I'm
Speaker 1: like the country guy and uh bust of rhymes. Snoop Dogg,
Speaker 1: b O B and David Hodges, and um, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm like big hip hop fans, so like this is
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. Snoop is gonna be there. So
Speaker 1: my wife Beth, who is my manager and publisher and
Speaker 1: basically runs everything. After the show, she goes, hey, I
Speaker 1: think I think I got you a day to work
Speaker 1: with Snoop. I was like, no way, So I go back.
Speaker 1: I go backstage after the show and um, she's in
Speaker 1: this dressing room with I swear like a like just
Speaker 1: this huge on this dressing room table, huge amount of weed.
Speaker 1: And it's just funny seeing my wife in that setting
Speaker 1: just talking to these guys and like just like doing this,
Speaker 1: like getting the smoke out of her face. And she
Speaker 1: told me after I was like, no, it's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He'll cancel. Why would he want to work with me?
Speaker 1: He doesn't, you know. But it happened. I went out
Speaker 1: to l A for it was supposed to be two days.
Speaker 1: They canceled one day and so I worked with him
Speaker 1: for about three hours and we did a song. It's
Speaker 1: never been released, but you got the memory, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I have it, like I can listen to it and
Speaker 1: you have one of my buddies did a story on
Speaker 1: Snoop once and he doesn't smoke a lot of weed,
Speaker 1: but he smoked Snoops weed. Yeah, he doesn't remember like
Speaker 1: he did. He remember waking up in his car and
Speaker 1: he was like, well, I don't know what happened like
Speaker 1: that because I'm I'm also a huge hip hop fan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, do you tell me everything?
Speaker 1: So and he was like, Snoop offered me some weed
Speaker 1: and that's about all I remember. Man. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I think I probably got like a contact time, but
Speaker 1: I've I've been sober for over ten years. So I
Speaker 1: was like, even Snoop wasn't worth messing it up. But
Speaker 1: I did have an amazing experience and we were. But
Speaker 1: I was really going back to what you're saying, I
Speaker 1: was really nervous going into that because I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: he gonna think? You know? But he was. He couldn't
Speaker 1: have been nicer. He was actually a lot of times
Speaker 1: the artist you're like, when are they going to show up?
Speaker 1: He was there before I was. He was so professional,
Speaker 1: like you get to see him do what he excels at.
Speaker 1: And he literally got out the yellow legal pad and
Speaker 1: I had written this chorus and I played that for him,
Speaker 1: and then just I had a track and so he
Speaker 1: wrote the verses. We didn't really collaborate. That's kind of
Speaker 1: how in hip hop alot it works. It's not like
Speaker 1: you sit there like, well's let's talk about It's like no,
Speaker 1: it's more freestyle. And but I see him just writing
Speaker 1: on these sheets of legal and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was somebody who's video and this didn't He didn't keep paper.
Speaker 1: He wrote on it that have been whenever a picture
Speaker 1: of it you're taking made that a different road here
Speaker 1: because you talk now it was busted fat by then
Speaker 1: he was he was w WF. I mean he was
Speaker 1: he was this okay, so he was muscular. Now he's
Speaker 1: just really fat. He looks bad. It's not good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Busta was I mean Buster, I was the first
Speaker 1: guy that I remember my childhood that went super fast,
Speaker 1: super fast. Yeah, like you had like super Sonic and
Speaker 1: stuff that, you know, But Buster for me, you know,
Speaker 1: whenever it was put your hands, you know, I was.
Speaker 1: I never anything like Bustle from my life. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't even know what he's saying about,
Speaker 1: like it, yeah, exactly. It sounded cool and and Buz
Speaker 1: even though he's fat, I I want to bet award
Speaker 1: life and he's still I guess body ties on fact rhyme. No,
Speaker 1: it didn't change his lips. And b O b is
Speaker 1: like the craziest multi instrumentalist. Yeah, he's super talented, super centric.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah he's he's not. But you know, to be creative,
Speaker 1: you gotta be nuts. Yeah, and he's nuts, but he's
Speaker 1: so musically gift and I you know what, I I
Speaker 1: did hip hop and pop radio for a long time,
Speaker 1: so I had to meet a lot of these guys,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the studio session would go like this,
Speaker 1: let's go in the studio, we'll get high. We'll just
Speaker 1: play a play a beat, you know, we'll throw some
Speaker 1: some bars over it. Like we like that one, Let's
Speaker 1: do another one. But Bob was like guitars tracks. Like
Speaker 1: it was like for a hip hop guy, that's that's different.
Speaker 1: When they see you pick up a guitar, they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: what is this? But like, yeah, he is like that.
Speaker 1: I try to go to Atlanta like at least once
Speaker 1: or twice a year, and I've have gone down there
Speaker 1: to work with Bob and with Future and none of
Speaker 1: these songs have come to fruit shi as far as
Speaker 1: coming up. But for me, like I don't even care
Speaker 1: because I'm just like a kid at that point. It's
Speaker 1: like there's no expectation of like, oh I have to
Speaker 1: come up with their next single or and it's just
Speaker 1: so much fun if like my goal is to like, right,
Speaker 1: you know, get a song on the hip hop charts
Speaker 1: at some point that Future stuff that that's that's cool
Speaker 1: because Future is like the I mean, Snoop Bust even
Speaker 1: b O b is a half a generation back at
Speaker 1: this point. Um you know Airplanes and Magic that that
Speaker 1: whole record, you know, um Bob. But this is you know,
Speaker 1: yeah that that's been a bit. But like Future right
Speaker 1: now I is doing it. He is, and it's he's
Speaker 1: one of those guys too. Like some of the stuff
Speaker 1: I hear him like like am I just out of
Speaker 1: the Like then I start feeling old and like is
Speaker 1: this good? But then I'll hear something like why do
Speaker 1: I want to listen to that? Again? It seems so
Speaker 1: dumb at first, and then you're like why do how
Speaker 1: do they feel about you? Though? Because here you come
Speaker 1: in You're like me, we're just pasty goofy guys. You know,
Speaker 1: I think there's something almost that there's just something and
Speaker 1: it's almost disarming about it. It's not like I'm coming
Speaker 1: in trying to be them and you're not competing, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not in the grind every day like with all
Speaker 1: the other producers there. So it's it's I think it's
Speaker 1: just like a kind of like it is for me.
Speaker 1: It's a different experience for them, and they're just intrigued
Speaker 1: by the Oh, he plays a guitar, he knows Luke
Speaker 1: Brian or whatever. You know what I mean, Do they
Speaker 1: really know that anything about country? Because not much. I
Speaker 1: mean some of them might, but I it's funny. It'll
Speaker 1: be You'll talk to a couple of guys in that
Speaker 1: world they're like, yeah, man, I know Rascal Flats and
Speaker 1: which cool you know. But it's it's just so interesting
Speaker 1: because like something like you say, someone current, you know,
Speaker 1: they might be like and they're in their own bubble
Speaker 1: much as we are, Like we're a big old bubble
Speaker 1: that sometimes we don't that we can't even see outside
Speaker 1: of Autely and luckily for me, I get to tour
Speaker 1: and meet a lot of that keeps me somewhat like
Speaker 1: normal ish, because I'm not normal in any way whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But I get to go with me a lot of
Speaker 1: people that listen to music, and I get to see
Speaker 1: what they like. And um My, the b O B
Speaker 1: thing and I hear Bob is great because I write
Speaker 1: and have written a bunch of like comedy stuff and
Speaker 1: songs with Christian Bush. And they share a studio space
Speaker 1: in Atlanta because Christian lives in Atlanta. Oh, I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's I've been to that one. Yeah, they're like
Speaker 1: right down the hall from each other. That's cool. And
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Speaker 1: let's let's do some carry stuff. So last name you
Speaker 1: wrote this one? Would you write this way? Carrie and Hillary,
Speaker 1: we actually wrote that the day after we wrote So Small, which,
Speaker 1: so you do two songs? Did you? Were those the
Speaker 1: only two songs that you wrote in those two days? No,
Speaker 1: we ended up writing I think we wrote one other
Speaker 1: songs that didn't end up making it onto the record.
Speaker 1: When you okay, let's let you finish those three songs,
Speaker 1: are you like we can? I felt pretty good about
Speaker 1: these three or this one or these two? Like did
Speaker 1: you know kind of well that's well. The thing is
Speaker 1: I hadn't had any hits. I knew that like last
Speaker 1: name sounded more hit ish, but I knew I really
Speaker 1: liked So Small, Like I felt something we played it.
Speaker 1: When you're sitting in the room with just the guitars
Speaker 1: and the two of them are singing it together, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, this is amazing When Hillary Linday can sing
Speaker 1: with Carrie, Oh yeah, Like that's the crazy thing about
Speaker 1: her is that she can sing with like I mean,
Speaker 1: with that level. No, it's it's amazing, And I just
Speaker 1: felt lucky to be in that room, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So you cut those two? I got you recorded? Are
Speaker 1: you write those two? Um? When do you get back that, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're actually gonna put these on a record, because that's
Speaker 1: first before single, Like, let's say we're actually gonna cut
Speaker 1: these songs, um, I mean it was it wasn't too long, um,
Speaker 1: because I remember we wrote this in like February, and
Speaker 1: the first single came out, I want to say, in
Speaker 1: June or July, which is still a little bit of time.
Speaker 1: So what was the first thing? One of you? It
Speaker 1: was so small, man, when you get that call that
Speaker 1: it's the first thing on the record and it was
Speaker 1: my first single, and I remember, I mean I was
Speaker 1: literally right down the street here at this condo I
Speaker 1: told you, um that I lived in, and I just
Speaker 1: remember exactly where it was when I got the call,
Speaker 1: and it's like this surreal moment. It's like wow. As
Speaker 1: a kid, you dream of writing songs and like want
Speaker 1: something on the radio, and this song is going to
Speaker 1: be on the radio. And it's Carrie Underwood, who just
Speaker 1: came off the biggest album of the year or whatever,
Speaker 1: and this is starting her next Your first single was
Speaker 1: Carrie's first single from that record. Ever, Yeah, when you
Speaker 1: get your very first check, because they started, they drip
Speaker 1: in and they hit. When you get that first writing
Speaker 1: check for a number one song, it's not that big, right,
Speaker 1: The first one the very first, very firstly takes it
Speaker 1: takes a long time to get paid out. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know the exact but it's an apex a year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's probably like, yeah, probably a year, and then there's
Speaker 1: a couple of big quarters and then it starts dwindling off.
Speaker 1: But I'm always intrigued by people when they say songs
Speaker 1: either fell out of them in like thirty minutes or
Speaker 1: took days and days. For example, Shane McK and I
Speaker 1: was talking about how they did body like a background
Speaker 1: it took weeks. Yeah, well, you know, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of that that's Sam's process. He you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's not wrong, it's just a different I mean
Speaker 1: obviously that that song is massive, but it might not
Speaker 1: sound like something that they spent days and days on.
Speaker 1: But yeah, every song is different. So what song was
Speaker 1: like backbreaking for you to ended up being this hit?
Speaker 1: You're like, I can't believe we get we finished it
Speaker 1: because it was just like, what in the world, Well,
Speaker 1: you know, a song and I haven't had one that
Speaker 1: I've spent days and days writing, but it's taken a
Speaker 1: long time to get to like and this is after
Speaker 1: this big build up here and be like, what, that's
Speaker 1: like the dumbest song that her but hill Billy Boone.
Speaker 1: Literally Craig, Yeah, Craig Wiseman and I got together and
Speaker 1: we were grinding on this other idea all day, like
Speaker 1: just and this is like a real testament to Craig
Speaker 1: Wiseman's work ethic because I tried to leave that right
Speaker 1: like three or four times, and finally, at like five
Speaker 1: o'clock five pm, he goes, man, let's just just try
Speaker 1: something else. Just let's just do something else, and he's like,
Speaker 1: just do one of your crazy beatbox things. I was like,
Speaker 1: and we started with that riff and he's literally just
Speaker 1: being dumb, like yo bab that bob blah boma. We
Speaker 1: just got a reaction and it's like you gotta pay
Speaker 1: attention to that in the room, and we just started
Speaker 1: laughing like what could this be? And so it turned
Speaker 1: out like I was rapping on the verses and then
Speaker 1: he sang the chorus and so they ended up pitching
Speaker 1: that to Blake and he heard it and he loved it.
Speaker 1: But he's like, you guys, gotta put a melody on
Speaker 1: the on the verses. So we went back in not
Speaker 1: like it's this amazing melodic song, but we put a
Speaker 1: melody to it. But that song, literally it wasn't one
Speaker 1: of those we had this title like I want to
Speaker 1: write a song called He'll Billy Bone. Like No, it
Speaker 1: was just being in a room all day and corner
Speaker 1: and yourself on a certain idea not happening, and then
Speaker 1: just not overthinking anything and writing something fun. And um,
Speaker 1: That's happened other times too, But that's like the main
Speaker 1: example I can think of by your hip hop influence.
Speaker 1: And I say that for a couple of reasons, and
Speaker 1: just as to see you can kind of know a
Speaker 1: little bit of my backstory. At one point in my life,
Speaker 1: I signed a hip hop record deal really so it
Speaker 1: didn't last long, but but you did, but I did,
Speaker 1: And you know, as you started talking, I'm just like, man, okay,
Speaker 1: how in the world did that happen? Like, because for me,
Speaker 1: I literally grew up in a black town and so
Speaker 1: all my friends listen hip hop, that's what I had.
Speaker 1: And then I went grunge in the nineties while all
Speaker 1: in Garth, and but that's where my hip hop influence
Speaker 1: comes from. Like what about you? For me, I mean
Speaker 1: I grew up in a small very small town in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: and it was a white town. But I mean, I think,
Speaker 1: like a lot of other people my age, I just
Speaker 1: and still I listened to everything, you know, country. I
Speaker 1: really connected with country music, I think because I could
Speaker 1: literally could relate to the lyrics. But the music I
Speaker 1: loved and go to school dances and that it's not
Speaker 1: it was hip hop, and like all my friends, it
Speaker 1: was like it was like listening to nineties country and
Speaker 1: nineties hip hop, and it's that is through all of
Speaker 1: my music. Like I just love both of them. Lyrically, obviously,
Speaker 1: I relate to country music, so it's it's easy for
Speaker 1: me to write that in the sense that it's authentic.
Speaker 1: But musically, I mean, my first tape I ever had
Speaker 1: was this is a hip Hop but it was Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson Thriller, and from there it just I just like
Speaker 1: popular music. And it's refreshing to hear someone actually say that.
Speaker 1: I think everybody feels it, but people are scared to
Speaker 1: say it. It's true, and I mean, I have so
Speaker 1: much respect for that. I know. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'm you know as much as some people, but
Speaker 1: I know the history of country music and I and
Speaker 1: I love it, and I but this is who I
Speaker 1: am and this is how I grew up. So it's
Speaker 1: pretty authentic, you know, the way I write. And I
Speaker 1: love very traditional country music and I love a lot
Speaker 1: of current stuff. And I think that's why I actually
Speaker 1: have a job. Uh best rapper alive right now? Oh man,
Speaker 1: I mean probably it's probably Eminem. I was gonna say
Speaker 1: the same thing, and you know what, we're two white
Speaker 1: guys saying a white guy. But here's what I did.
Speaker 1: I said that on the radio one morning. I'm like
Speaker 1: on my country morning show. We're talking to hip hop,
Speaker 1: and I said, I think I'm a guy's rapper alive,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm white guy, and you're gonna go,
Speaker 1: you're a white gupic and a white guy. So I
Speaker 1: called Charlemagne, the guy who has the hip option best
Speaker 1: friends in the world, and so I called him and
Speaker 1: he they were on the air um in New York
Speaker 1: do the Breakfast Club and I was like, hey, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm saying Eminem's best rapper and we'll put them on
Speaker 1: the like straight up. I was like, you can tell
Speaker 1: him an idiot, and I'm just a white guy saying
Speaker 1: a white guy and he says, oh, there's absolutely argument
Speaker 1: eminem'ing rapper alive. You know, they're about three or four
Speaker 1: people that you could say it's the great rapper alive,
Speaker 1: but Eminem's When Emine comes on a track, it's not
Speaker 1: your track anymore. No, it doesn't. And you're literally captivated.
Speaker 1: How many other like a lot of guys have great
Speaker 1: flow and it sounds cool, but he literally says something
Speaker 1: with those lyrics, and you're you're just like drawn into
Speaker 1: the story. A lot of times I'm like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to listen to it Naughty by Nature after this
Speaker 1: or something because it's just so heavy. But it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It takes about three listens at times to really hear
Speaker 1: an Eminem song too. Well. He did that. He did
Speaker 1: a song with Big Sean, I'm Big Sean's last record,
Speaker 1: No Favorite, and it was and and the problem that
Speaker 1: the trouble that I got into was there's a political
Speaker 1: message behind it. And I wasn't trying to political message
Speaker 1: because it was like a Coulter and so and Trump.
Speaker 1: But I was just like guys and Big Sean as
Speaker 1: as legit as they get right now, and so what
Speaker 1: I need from no fabs and it comes to this track,
Speaker 1: it's not Big Sean's track anymore, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he's telling the engineer Keith Luke, and I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: done after sixteen days or whatever. It was. The same
Speaker 1: happened with Loway and when it was when and and
Speaker 1: and somebody else was on a track and later yea,
Speaker 1: fuck you looking that hater. I saw him eyes like
Speaker 1: a nass raper and the style changes. Why to copy
Speaker 1: my swag like a cheating classmate, I'll be the last
Speaker 1: phase you see when you pass, when you get your
Speaker 1: fucking nass created like a mass paper. So ahead of
Speaker 1: my time, Laten and I'm early my ages reversting. I'm
Speaker 1: basically thirty, amazingly stirty, Zaney and Birdie, brainy and nerdy,
Speaker 1: blatantly dirty, insanely perverted, raping and scurvey. They blame me
Speaker 1: for murdering Jamie. Lee. Curtis said, I put a face
Speaker 1: in the furnace, beating with a space, then a piece
Speaker 1: of furniture, a bo thermis may be disturbing. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is prince worthy, but I'm urinating on Bergie. Sad
Speaker 1: Number eighty one Shirley I'm turning into the air, and
Speaker 1: her name is the rapt state of emergency, the planets
Speaker 1: having panic attacks. Prady's returning. Matter of fact, I'm maybe
Speaker 1: deserving up a pat on the back like a Patriot
Speaker 1: Jersey wall inexplicable stomach crowd from the pit of it,
Speaker 1: like fucking Terry. You're hidding despicable, dumb, damn ridiculous tongue
Speaker 1: is fast, shoot up at the fucking mouth like a
Speaker 1: missile of thundercloud under pound. Just to pull the trigger
Speaker 1: this gunner sound and you'll get a bad the digital underground.
Speaker 1: He's not even into it yet. He's got to really
Speaker 1: gets stretching right now. He's just stretched up a damn
Speaker 1: polk cutter, a sandal, a cando, butter, a candle, rubber piano,
Speaker 1: a flanno that sucker, some hands butter, a panto, a
Speaker 1: manhole cover, hand over the mouth and no smother tramper
Speaker 1: ran over the tramp with the land road, but the
Speaker 1: band the lambo hummer and rod dunna go hand don't
Speaker 1: nut n go ramboat cutter make an example cover that's
Speaker 1: Santra plano and to Lando Hanna put on the land
Speaker 1: no wonder I am so stufforn the Manti had no
Speaker 1: government and don't the command, don't command, don't want it.
Speaker 1: Trump's a bitch. I'm making hop pando under its deldre.
Speaker 1: I'm meeting him in l a white bronco like outway speeding.
Speaker 1: I'm about to run over a chick del ray c D.
Speaker 1: And there's just so much nuance in there too that
Speaker 1: you I know, I'm like what broncat shell a helium,
Speaker 1: leaving him pale face, medium size, well straight, treating him
Speaker 1: like a self meet c D. I'm climbing Hell's gate, bitch.
Speaker 1: I'm like your problems self meat meaning someone else's self
Speaker 1: baiting needed because I'm make and make you hear that
Speaker 1: you go. That's and that's not even the same eminem
Speaker 1: from three years ago, much less, he continues to get better.
Speaker 1: That's wild, and as a rapper in a young man's game,
Speaker 1: he continues to still be better than Yeah, how how
Speaker 1: are you still like the freshest thing you know that's
Speaker 1: not supposed to be how it works? Yeah, I posted
Speaker 1: and I'm saying by this song like guy crushed because
Speaker 1: there's a line about Trump, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't even care about that, Like No, you weren't like, like,
Speaker 1: get off my nuts, man, That's what I'm just all
Speaker 1: I was doing was saying that nothing, there's nothing like this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like he's in his forties and I mean he can
Speaker 1: sit down with the future and teach him a lesson. Still.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so it's amazing we're doing talking about country
Speaker 1: music here. That's what. Yeah, that's what I get on
Speaker 1: the radioto like I get in trouble from my station
Speaker 1: programing rectors because I'll just go off talking about whatever
Speaker 1: and They're like, well, you don't like you talking about
Speaker 1: other kinds of music. But is that is that because
Speaker 1: of the way everything still has to be because I
Speaker 1: would think, listen, it feels like listeners now are But
Speaker 1: that's why I do it, because we're humans, and my
Speaker 1: listeners are humans, and no humans have just a bunch
Speaker 1: of country music. Gonna listen. That's it. And And what's
Speaker 1: the like typical country demographic now, because I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be forty next year and I grew up listening
Speaker 1: to everything, so it's something you know, and it's the
Speaker 1: demographic let's say forty and under. Even older than that.
Speaker 1: We had Napster, we had everything that allowed all these
Speaker 1: influences of the people that are making music now to
Speaker 1: be influenced. And so that's why you're hearing music on
Speaker 1: all the different directions because for the first time music
Speaker 1: was able to spread like that, instead of it being
Speaker 1: regional or having to be chipped in a box or
Speaker 1: your parents only giving it to you, you could just down.
Speaker 1: I would go to bed in the door. I'll be
Speaker 1: in the door and I would go, what letter do
Speaker 1: I like L? Let me download every song that starts
Speaker 1: with L while I go to sleep on Napster for free.
Speaker 1: And you know, that's how it was, and that was
Speaker 1: the wild wild West. Now it's just a wild West
Speaker 1: as we figure out how songwriters get paid, you know,
Speaker 1: with Spotify and title and iTunes. Yeah, it's it's changed
Speaker 1: so much. I used to get so excited for Tuesdays
Speaker 1: to go out and music. That's what us that that
Speaker 1: was crazy. Tuesday used to be the day said of Friday.
Speaker 1: But even now you can't. It's like now it's like
Speaker 1: Friday morning. Pick the phone up, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: what's new that I can just go? Do you have
Speaker 1: a problem to like what is your thoughts on? Full out?
Speaker 1: Like twelve song albums now. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 1: a place for it, but I but the reality is
Speaker 1: that with just listening habits and I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I think it's rapidly going away because people want
Speaker 1: new and even I do, like I want to hear
Speaker 1: I like hearing it together, but I also am ready
Speaker 1: for like what's the next thing, because part of that
Speaker 1: is just that whole instant gratification. But but now just
Speaker 1: because it's so easy to do that, because in the
Speaker 1: past there was a reason for the twelve album or
Speaker 1: or the one album whatever a year cycle. But now
Speaker 1: it doesn't cost any extra to put a song up online,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I just think that I think
Speaker 1: it depends on the artists. But as far as young
Speaker 1: new artists, there's not a whole lot of reason to
Speaker 1: just try to make one album a year or two
Speaker 1: every two years. Like I like to have you put
Speaker 1: out twelve songs. Some of them just get missed because
Speaker 1: we're like, oh, yeah, you know, I don't like that
Speaker 1: one right immediately, right the second I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: the next one, like like I mean, if it's a fourlum,
Speaker 1: I like ten songs that's what I like. Four like
Speaker 1: John Mayre doing four songs at the time and making
Speaker 1: me wait for another month so I can love those
Speaker 1: four and then we love four more. That's true. And
Speaker 1: it's all changing. It's I mean, it's changing from the
Speaker 1: last five years. It's dramatically change. My gosh. Yeah, it'll
Speaker 1: be interesting to see. How about Let's man, you have
Speaker 1: so many songs here some of them. Let's see what
Speaker 1: would I like to hear about? Uh, this one here
Speaker 1: because Shane mcinally was in talking about this one right
Speaker 1: rather Shane, So that's done that again? Is that really that?
Speaker 1: You let me hear that? Let me see that blue
Speaker 1: Jane Bay in the USA. Yeah, yeah, that's off the demo.
Speaker 1: So okay, tell me your story of this song, because
Speaker 1: it's always interesting to hear my story. Okay, I mean
Speaker 1: how I remember. Yeah, it's always because all the stories
Speaker 1: are true, but it comes from so many different directions. Um.
Speaker 1: So from my recollection of this was Rodney Clausen and
Speaker 1: Shane McNally and I got together over at my little
Speaker 1: office studio, and um, I think we were working on
Speaker 1: something else, but I picked up this bass guitar I
Speaker 1: have that's actually my friend Barry Dean, who's another great
Speaker 1: writer in town here, and I just started playing the
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom, but I didn't sing that in tune,
Speaker 1: but you know, basically kind of the riff, and we
Speaker 1: kind of wrote that to bait at the base, so
Speaker 1: I was I'm playing that, and then Shane and rod
Speaker 1: and he started doing it, so that was kind of
Speaker 1: our groove, and we're like, this feels good. We wrote
Speaker 1: from what I remember, the verse, we didn't have a title,
Speaker 1: wrote the verse and got all the way up to
Speaker 1: the the final line of the what rhymes with the
Speaker 1: give me a kiss ryland Stone American what is this?
Speaker 1: And finally I think, I don't know if Shane or
Speaker 1: Rodney said, I don't think it was me said American Kids,
Speaker 1: and we're like, it's like you're so into it, like
Speaker 1: is that good? And then it's like yeah. And then
Speaker 1: the post, I think is what kind of takes it
Speaker 1: over the edge, you know, went up and it's just
Speaker 1: this chant. And from the time we wrote that, I
Speaker 1: felt really strongly about that song like this, I feel
Speaker 1: like this is one of the best songs I've written
Speaker 1: a long time, and we just couldn't get anybody to
Speaker 1: get on it. Um. I know it was on hold
Speaker 1: for like McGraw, so we a little Big Town was
Speaker 1: the story that Shane was saying. And he was on
Speaker 1: an airplane. Yes, oh yes, this is right. Yes of
Speaker 1: Shane was you know, of course the circles he runs
Speaker 1: and he's on an airplane with Kenny Chesney. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I played this. I put the headphones on Kenny and
Speaker 1: played this and he's like, I'm cutting that. And then
Speaker 1: it was on hold for Little Big Time. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many different people who are pitching these songs.
Speaker 1: You're just hoping somebody likes it. I'm like, hey, who
Speaker 1: you know who wants it? Because I really believed in it,
Speaker 1: um And I think at the time, from what I
Speaker 1: my understanding was that a Little Big Town was into it,
Speaker 1: but somebody in the camp wasn't really like it wasn't
Speaker 1: like a full on. Whether it was a couple guys
Speaker 1: in the band who weren't into it, or producer or label,
Speaker 1: but it didn't sounds like a for sure thing. They're like,
Speaker 1: we like it, you know, but but Kenny's like, I
Speaker 1: want to cut that. So as a writer, you get
Speaker 1: in these situations, and you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: relationships that you have to take care of that's I
Speaker 1: try to stay out of. I'm not as good about
Speaker 1: pitching my songs to artists because I worry about getting
Speaker 1: in these situations even though I should just like email
Speaker 1: the song and I've tried to do a little more,
Speaker 1: but that was that was a little bit awkward, but
Speaker 1: you know, it obviously worked out. And I think that
Speaker 1: Kenny really like when he says he wants a song
Speaker 1: and believes in it, Like I really do appreciate that
Speaker 1: he just goes and does it. And it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: going if he says I'm going to cut this, he
Speaker 1: will to be fair. Talking about Shane Circle, Shannon I
Speaker 1: did fly on Southwest together to Boston. That was the
Speaker 1: first time he flew coach in a long time. That was, well,
Speaker 1: that's the Bobby Circle. I've never flown on a private
Speaker 1: jet that I'm like, I gotta meet some I gotta
Speaker 1: meet some people with twenty plus number one. Eric Church
Speaker 1: called me once. He's like, hey, man, you ever fly
Speaker 1: on private jet? I was like, no, he goes you
Speaker 1: want to? I was like, yeah, he goes, Well, tonight
Speaker 1: we're going something, but I literally couldn't. It was like
Speaker 1: something like my mom was coming into I can't remember
Speaker 1: what it was. I was like, and so I called Eric.
Speaker 1: When he got back, I was like, Hey, how was that?
Speaker 1: He goes, Uh, I'm gonna change man with Eric. I
Speaker 1: mean you brought some monsters like Talladega. Yeah that's a
Speaker 1: career song for someone talking about this one. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is you know. Eric is one of those artists too.
Speaker 1: I mean he isn't. If he wasn't being out there
Speaker 1: being a superstar, he would be like me and be
Speaker 1: on music row writing songs for other people. Because he's
Speaker 1: he's first and foremost a songwriter. He thinks like a songwriter.
Speaker 1: He he obsesses over songs ideas. Um, we were on
Speaker 1: a bus in Albany, New York, and um he I
Speaker 1: can't remember. I think it was Daytona. One of the
Speaker 1: races was on the TV and Front Lounge and it
Speaker 1: was on mute and he was like, man, I kind
Speaker 1: of want to write. He's friends with Marty Smith, who
Speaker 1: does He's on ESPN and does all the commentary for
Speaker 1: NASCAR as well as a bunch of other stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: but um, he's like I want to write something like
Speaker 1: about He's like, not a Nascar song, but just that feeling,
Speaker 1: that camaraderie that those fans have. And I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up watching Nascar really, um, but I related to it
Speaker 1: in the sense that like country music concerts. So we
Speaker 1: used to go to this place in West Virginia called
Speaker 1: Jambree in the Hills and it's happens they still they
Speaker 1: call it the super Bowl of country music and it is. Man,
Speaker 1: it is a it's have some good people watching, but
Speaker 1: it's just country music fans and we would do that.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like a tradition with my buddies.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of being inspired drawing from that.
Speaker 1: But he's like, I want to write this song, um,
Speaker 1: And so I think we kind of were singing day too,
Speaker 1: like some different things, and then he's like, damn day
Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, and it had and
Speaker 1: it had the emotion. It wasn't like this cheesy I
Speaker 1: don't know, but we wrote that. I felt really good
Speaker 1: about that song and we wrote We wrote it probably
Speaker 1: two years before that album came out, so that was
Speaker 1: I didn't even know if it would ever see the
Speaker 1: light of day because so much time had passed, and
Speaker 1: you've written so many songs, but I guess he always
Speaker 1: had that one in his back pocket and knowing he
Speaker 1: wanted to put it out, whether Eric you wrote or
Speaker 1: for Eric. These are I have a bunch of Eric
Speaker 1: Church songs. Are like when you're going to a jam
Speaker 1: song like this there, you're like, all right, we're going
Speaker 1: out tempo, We're gonna jam it. That that was feeding
Speaker 1: off the energy we were. We were in North Dakota.
Speaker 1: He was playing some armory or something and it was
Speaker 1: literally negative nine degrees. So I'm out in the crowd
Speaker 1: and there's it's not even like bleachers, It's like a
Speaker 1: one level room. I go out to front of house
Speaker 1: and I just noticed, and I don't know what the
Speaker 1: whole you know, keg set up was at this place,
Speaker 1: but people had red solo cups just walking around and
Speaker 1: holding them up, and like just in my head, I
Speaker 1: just hear this like real sing like all I wanna
Speaker 1: do his boodha, drinking my hand. It just kind of
Speaker 1: kept running through my head. So I went back to
Speaker 1: the US and when he got off the bus, I
Speaker 1: was out there with him and another writer in town,
Speaker 1: Michael Heeney, who has written a lot with Eric. I
Speaker 1: get off the butt or he he comes off stage,
Speaker 1: he's like literally pulls his ears out and he's like sweating,
Speaker 1: like pumped up from the show. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I just got a line and I didn't even know.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'll and I just played the
Speaker 1: three chords. All I wanna do is put a drink
Speaker 1: in my hand. He's like, I love it. Let's write that.
Speaker 1: We wrote that whole song right there in the front lounge.
Speaker 1: We were writing the verses so fast that his wife
Speaker 1: Katherine was None of us were keeping track of lyrics,
Speaker 1: so she's like, typing down, we just hit record on
Speaker 1: garage band or whatever, and he's she's typing down all
Speaker 1: the lyrics we have, and it just it was just
Speaker 1: kind of this repetitive there's a lot of words in
Speaker 1: that song for being such a simple like because the
Speaker 1: choruses all changed and we had so many different versions.
Speaker 1: Of course, is I still like if I played at
Speaker 1: the writer's and I have to look at the lyrics.
Speaker 1: But it was that one I felt really strongly about,
Speaker 1: just because it was just so up and party and
Speaker 1: I was like, his fans were week out if they
Speaker 1: hear this song and U that ended up being his
Speaker 1: first number one, so that was really exciting. You mentioned
Speaker 1: it took two years for Talladega, Like, what's so long?
Speaker 1: It's because sometimes you write a song and I guess
Speaker 1: it just sits. My song ever surprised you because it
Speaker 1: came back to life out of nowhere. You're like, WHOA
Speaker 1: what in the world? One that surprised me because again,
Speaker 1: it's not a I wouldn't necessarily consider this a work
Speaker 1: of art. But Gonna by Blake Shelton. First of all,
Speaker 1: that's about the most forgettable title I've ever heard in
Speaker 1: my life. But I get an email and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: Blake Shelton put gun on hold this so much time
Speaker 1: had passed and just how unmemorable that title was. Me.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't. I don't think that's my song
Speaker 1: because I didn't recognize the title. And I was like,
Speaker 1: so I went back into dropbox. I was like, oh, gosh,
Speaker 1: I did write this song with Craig and I was
Speaker 1: like when I heard the chorus, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny how songs were because like you
Speaker 1: might think, oh, this song is whatever, but the second
Speaker 1: like an artist, it's interested in it, or it gets
Speaker 1: to be a single stars climb on the chart, like,
Speaker 1: oh this is pretty that's pretty good. I'll start liking
Speaker 1: it a little more. How what was the time like
Speaker 1: from when you wrote it until they put it on?
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't crazy long, but I bet I
Speaker 1: bet it was four years, which nowadays that is a
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, you hear these stories of like
Speaker 1: a song after ten years or something, but those are
Speaker 1: so rare because people are so of the moment um
Speaker 1: and and and even like the demos that we do,
Speaker 1: they get dated pretty fast. So, like I listened to
Speaker 1: old songs of mine, I'm like, oh gosh, and some
Speaker 1: of them may be okay, but but they just sound bad.
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Speaker 1: let's let's do like this song here for John Party.
Speaker 1: I mean it, and I like John a lot like John.
Speaker 1: I like John a lot. So I I said, like,
Speaker 1: this was it. This is the song for him, this
Speaker 1: is what this is what has made John, and it's
Speaker 1: going to make John a star. You got another one
Speaker 1: he just hit too, but this was it, man, you know,
Speaker 1: think about this or John. Here's the thing. I've been
Speaker 1: a fan of his music for a long time, and
Speaker 1: I was a big fan of the first record, and
Speaker 1: I've never had the opportunity to work with him. And
Speaker 1: I literally seeks him out because I I loved his
Speaker 1: first album so much. It was like so country, but
Speaker 1: there's just a thing. It's not just like a throwback thing.
Speaker 1: He's unique artist. And so I seeked him out and
Speaker 1: tried to get a day to write with him. And
Speaker 1: it was awesome because John is one of those guys
Speaker 1: he comes in with his guitar and he sits down
Speaker 1: and starts playing. He's got the swagger and and just
Speaker 1: starts mumbling. You're like, this is the jam. Like he
Speaker 1: can say anything. And so the situation with John, a
Speaker 1: lot of times I let him drive, like musically and
Speaker 1: I just try to make sense of some lyric and
Speaker 1: but he had that title head over Boots. I was
Speaker 1: like that, dude, that's awesome and that's you. And at
Speaker 1: the time, he's like, man, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: can do some of this other music that these guys are,
Speaker 1: you know, current whatever they call it, broke country or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I was like, well, you don't have to, like
Speaker 1: just do yourself, you know, and hopefully it'll connect. Because
Speaker 1: I was like, if it connects, you've got that lane,
Speaker 1: and like then people are chasing you, then you've created
Speaker 1: the new lane. And that's what that California record, that's
Speaker 1: what he did. He really did, is that he took traditional,
Speaker 1: a traditional vocal and put it with slightly progressive, a
Speaker 1: sonic sonic sound, and it was like everybody traditional was happy,
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, hey, I love the news sound
Speaker 1: was and I was like, he's the unifier right now.
Speaker 1: It's it's amazing. I mean another thing with John, I
Speaker 1: remember I was out on the road with Thomas Rhett
Speaker 1: and John was opening a couple of these club dates
Speaker 1: for him, and I just remember being in the backstage
Speaker 1: and just here, like John was out there playing in
Speaker 1: these grooves coming through the wall, so all you're hearing
Speaker 1: is like the low end, and I'm like, dang, that's
Speaker 1: like all his songs feel so good. I'm like I
Speaker 1: want to be part of That's like my neighbors not
Speaker 1: trying to go to bed. I was like, God, why
Speaker 1: don't you I can't even hear the good parts of
Speaker 1: the song. I try to get to bed at night,
Speaker 1: and all next door it's like I live in a house.
Speaker 1: I don't live in an apartment. That's so annoying, and
Speaker 1: like you have to move again again, and my other
Speaker 1: place flooded downtown. It's so I'm not I can't find
Speaker 1: anywhere to live. Dude, you were you were? You lived
Speaker 1: out of town right, Well, first I moved to Brentwood.
Speaker 1: I lived down there because security reasons, like there was
Speaker 1: add some issues and guns and people threatening me whatever.
Speaker 1: I My job was like, this is where you need
Speaker 1: to live. They moving in this neighborhood and it's and
Speaker 1: for me, I felt safe because uh La Vox are
Speaker 1: like four houses down. CARRY lived like eight houses. Now.
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody's nobody cares about me, but nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna bother me because these people. They're worried about these people.
Speaker 1: I moved from there because I just couldn't driving it.
Speaker 1: It was it was forty minutes and I was traveling,
Speaker 1: so I moved downtown and I got the condo. It's
Speaker 1: very super safe, all these codes, and there were two
Speaker 1: units on the top. And the neighbor was working on
Speaker 1: a waterman. He just just bought the place, and the
Speaker 1: place like the eight hundreds, right, So it's not somewhere
Speaker 1: you go and start knocking down walls, hit a waterman,
Speaker 1: busted it, flood of the entire building. Millions and millions
Speaker 1: or the dons. I still I still own it. I
Speaker 1: can't get into it. I can't run it. I can
Speaker 1: do nothing right now, at least into front of two months,
Speaker 1: because it's been almost a year. I've just so I
Speaker 1: had to move again. Dude, I need to write some
Speaker 1: new hit songs. I can just have like all these places.
Speaker 1: You've got a good view up here, up here of cranes.
Speaker 1: I see a lot of cranes outside t s try video.
Speaker 1: It's every weird. Do you ever think we shouldn't reference
Speaker 1: things that aren't country and song? Is that ever a
Speaker 1: question where you're like, should we or shouldn't we talk
Speaker 1: about guns and roses? I mean, I never for once
Speaker 1: questioned that because everybody listens to the country now listen
Speaker 1: to guns and rosides. I mean, I think I've been
Speaker 1: to the concerts and I agree with and and I'm
Speaker 1: on your side of this too, which is at times
Speaker 1: been the downfall of my career. But I wonder if
Speaker 1: you're writing a song to ever pull out and you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: what if you put a little Wyne reference in here?
Speaker 1: But you're like, you know what, maybe we shouldn't do that,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll scale it, but you don't have to worry.
Speaker 1: I haven't really thought a lot about it, honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, maybe Bette Midler might not be
Speaker 1: what we're going for, but you never know, what do
Speaker 1: these songs? Can we talk about hill Billy Bone and
Speaker 1: it kind of happening? What this song just fell out
Speaker 1: of you? And you're like, man, that shouldn't have been
Speaker 1: that easy. Take a Back Road And that's a jam, dude,
Speaker 1: And it's one of my favorite songs I've made, Take
Speaker 1: a Back Road. So yeah, Red Akins, who I mean
Speaker 1: when I was in high school, I mean I literally
Speaker 1: sang songs of his in the Talent show d Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, And I was like, oh, I'm writing with
Speaker 1: Red Akins this first day, first time, we ever wrote,
Speaker 1: and he said he had that title. I thought it
Speaker 1: was first like right a dirt road and we're like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, and so changes to take a back road.
Speaker 1: It just felt good and we both could write those
Speaker 1: lyrics all day because we it's like where we both
Speaker 1: grew up. And even though he's from Georgia and I'm
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, Goddamn, I forgot feld. It looks like do
Speaker 1: you ever feel the opposite now where someone's coming into
Speaker 1: a room with you and you can just tell the
Speaker 1: pet of five a little bit? But I always try
Speaker 1: to I always try to make people feel comfortable. Like
Speaker 1: I'm never like, hey, I know it all, and like
Speaker 1: because I don't, I'm just like, I hope I get
Speaker 1: just as nervous a lot of times writing with a
Speaker 1: new person because I know they probably think, oh, he's
Speaker 1: written all these hits, he has the secret how to do,
Speaker 1: and I literally don't. I'm just like, it's the same
Speaker 1: approach writing songs now, the same way that I did
Speaker 1: before I ever had hits. So it's you you feel
Speaker 1: that a little bit, But I'm I'm always trying to
Speaker 1: make people feel comfortable. Tell me about an instance where
Speaker 1: this new artist comes in, you don't know him. Someone's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you gotta check them out, because, like you said, you
Speaker 1: try to find, you know, the fresh shirt with the current,
Speaker 1: and because fresh keeps you fresh. Absolutely, some new artist
Speaker 1: comes in you're like, okay, i'll let me, and it
Speaker 1: turns out they their household dame. Now like who is
Speaker 1: someone that came in? And you were like, I wonder
Speaker 1: and it turns out like bam. I mean, the first
Speaker 1: the first thing the name that comes to mind is
Speaker 1: Marion Morris Um as far as a new I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think who else Marion walks in and his first
Speaker 1: thing mat her. You're like, okay, there's something here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just like she's super talented. And you know,
Speaker 1: even before that kind of who's become a big pop
Speaker 1: and I haven't had any hits with her? Was I
Speaker 1: wrote with Megan Trainer and she's in Nashville. I just think, oh,
Speaker 1: this is she's got the number this week by the
Speaker 1: Way Country Radio. Oh yeah that's right, Yeah, gosh, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: But she's so talented and I didn't even when I
Speaker 1: met her, didn't even know like, oh she's going for
Speaker 1: the artist thing. I just thought this is a really
Speaker 1: good writer. We wrote something cool. She's really talented. Next
Speaker 1: thing I know, they're like, yeah, Magan Trainers in l
Speaker 1: A and she got it. L A. Reid signed her
Speaker 1: like what you just don't see it coming? And then
Speaker 1: which is cool. It's her second number one counter song too,
Speaker 1: because I think she she wrote the Rascal Flats on
Speaker 1: maybe um, I like to sound it one of their
Speaker 1: newer ones her and Shay wrote together, Yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: Jesse Fraser or something. Yeah, that's right. She's got a
Speaker 1: couple of pop songs, and I bet these are songs
Speaker 1: she wrote back when she was like kind of in
Speaker 1: the Nashville scene, like writing just writing songs like there's
Speaker 1: something here, like you could tell, well, I could tell
Speaker 1: she was talented, but I didn't know she was going
Speaker 1: to be a superstar. You just don't know. But like
Speaker 1: who else? I mean, I feel like I've written with
Speaker 1: a lot of people before they blew up bred Eldredge. Um,
Speaker 1: it's weird now like I'm at the age where there
Speaker 1: are starting to I didn't write with Luke Brian before
Speaker 1: he got big, but we both kind of came to
Speaker 1: town around the same time. A real quick funny story
Speaker 1: about that is so Luke, you know, had hits as
Speaker 1: a couple of hits as a songwriter before he you know,
Speaker 1: made it as an artist, Like good Directions, Belly one
Speaker 1: for him. Yeah, So Luke and I just remember going
Speaker 1: to this guy's house who was a fairly established songwriter,
Speaker 1: and I had zero cuts, no hits, no cuts. But
Speaker 1: this guy was like, I was like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: He likes he's gonna take a chance on me and
Speaker 1: write with me. So I get into this co write
Speaker 1: and we get about halfway through the song and he goes,
Speaker 1: so when I mean when when his capital talking about
Speaker 1: putting your record out? And I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: he thinks I'm Luke Brian and he did. He thought,
Speaker 1: just like do I look like an artist? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I was like and then I felt weird for him.
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I say, like, not only
Speaker 1: am I not Luke Bryan, I nobody, I have no hits.
Speaker 1: I don't. The guy ended up being really nice about it,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, because we were like kind
Speaker 1: of the two Luke's INTI this is not the guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I don't, but I just I look I
Speaker 1: told Luke that story he gotta kick out of it.
Speaker 1: But with Luke, I got a few here for you.
Speaker 1: I see you, see you fast. It's it's by the
Speaker 1: way you grats again. Is it still listen frankly talking
Speaker 1: after the tenth or twelve or eighteen, it's still awesome? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's so awesome. Is it still so awesome? Though? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean where is it pressure field where it's more
Speaker 1: of a relief that you did it again because you're
Speaker 1: expected to. Yeah, it's it's weird because I still feel
Speaker 1: a pressure, but not like like once you have one
Speaker 1: number one song, you're a number one songwriter and no
Speaker 1: but literally nobody knows or cares how many number ones
Speaker 1: you have, except like maybe you like you know that
Speaker 1: people don't know, and then people like so and so
Speaker 1: has so many number ones. But it's like on what chart?
Speaker 1: You know. It's like like I'm and I'm kind of
Speaker 1: like you know, and a few years from now, what
Speaker 1: charts or what? You know? What I mean, that's just
Speaker 1: so different. But it's it's weird because there is a pressure,
Speaker 1: but it's you're just happy to be in the game,
Speaker 1: like getting a still getting a cut on a new
Speaker 1: artist or a big artist is still super exciting for me.
Speaker 1: Like that is part of what keeps me doing it
Speaker 1: because it is like a challenge and it's like a game.
Speaker 1: You're like, Oh, I've done this, I want to I
Speaker 1: want to do it again. Um, what's the deal with you?
Speaker 1: Mentally that you go to bed at night? Do you
Speaker 1: write down Okay, I may want to do this tomorrow
Speaker 1: or do you do most of the work in the room,
Speaker 1: Like where does that? Well? I know who I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be working with that week, so I usually I like
Speaker 1: to get to my right like two hours before I
Speaker 1: work with anyone, so I can either work on ideas
Speaker 1: or if it's an artist, kind of think in my mind,
Speaker 1: where where would I see him going next? Because what
Speaker 1: do I have to offer here? Um? I don't honestly
Speaker 1: at night, once I leave there, I'm not. Uh, it
Speaker 1: pretty much leaves me. I pretty much separate it. And
Speaker 1: then I'm a morning person, so I get inspired in
Speaker 1: the morning. Who are your everybody's in a ever is
Speaker 1: getting a little pat group? You know Natalie and becomes
Speaker 1: in She's in the Brandy camp. You know, um Ross
Speaker 1: came in and you know Ross and Urban and now
Speaker 1: working on a lot of stuff together. But Ross would Dart.
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's got there. Who are your people? You know? Um,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've run in a couple of different circles.
Speaker 1: But my people are like writer wise, are like our
Speaker 1: people that Creative Nation like, especially like Barry Dean and
Speaker 1: Natalie Hemby. They're like two of my best friends. And
Speaker 1: so as far as artists, I mean, I had a
Speaker 1: pretty good run with Carrie. You know, maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: to work with her again. We haven't worked in a while. Um,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I run like I'll do like
Speaker 1: John Party. He and I are kind of I think
Speaker 1: on a I mean, we've only had the one hit,
Speaker 1: but like we're gonna We're starting to write some new
Speaker 1: stuff that I'm excited about. I've kind of been in
Speaker 1: the Eric thing a little bit. I just kind of
Speaker 1: move around like whoever wants to. I'd be on everybody's
Speaker 1: camp if they want to work. Yeah, I mean, And
Speaker 1: the thing is, I really, I truly am a fan
Speaker 1: of lots of different kinds of music. I'm not like,
Speaker 1: oh I don't I can't stand that now. If there's
Speaker 1: something that I'm just not really into, I'll be honest
Speaker 1: and just try to, you know, not do it if
Speaker 1: I if I, if I just don't genuinely like someone's
Speaker 1: music or something, I'm not gonna even if they're a
Speaker 1: huge star, I'm not gonna try to just get in
Speaker 1: there because there's so many things I do. Like you
Speaker 1: mentioned Natalie and now it's awesome, like she's so much fun,
Speaker 1: and you know, she came and we talked, and she again,
Speaker 1: you guys share some you share some songs, a lot
Speaker 1: of other folks that come in, and she told the
Speaker 1: story about his song. I'd be curious to hear your
Speaker 1: version of this song. Well, okay, so she and Barry
Speaker 1: and I wrote this and we're always curious what version
Speaker 1: because now it's been a few years. But the way
Speaker 1: I remember writing this song was Natalie came over and
Speaker 1: she and Barry and I were just be us and
Speaker 1: she was telling the story about she and I had
Speaker 1: written an album cut from Miranda a song called fine Tune,
Speaker 1: and her publisher or somebody had heard the song through
Speaker 1: the wall and I was like, Hey, what's that song
Speaker 1: that I heard like that you wrote pontoon. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's called fine Tune. She's telling Barry and I that story.
Speaker 1: So of course we're all like, we got to write
Speaker 1: a song called pont because it just it just was
Speaker 1: too good of like, gosh, that sounds like a good
Speaker 1: country song, and did you expect it to be? Like
Speaker 1: when you finished it were like, is this too goofy?
Speaker 1: Is just the word pontoon is kind of goofy. So
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of just started with like a
Speaker 1: really simple almost just a quirky little beat, like just
Speaker 1: silly almost that m M. And and so Barry and
Speaker 1: I literally like, Natalie, what would you say, like if
Speaker 1: you're trying to write a song called Pontoon, Like, what's
Speaker 1: the first thing? She's like, back this bit up into
Speaker 1: the A and we're just died. We're like this is amazing,
Speaker 1: Like if that's all the songs said literally on the demo,
Speaker 1: I like put that into a sampler and like for
Speaker 1: the whole interest, like back but bat bat bat bat
Speaker 1: backed it bit but but bat backed it just because
Speaker 1: I thought it was so funny. We wrote that and
Speaker 1: and again kind of like hill Billy Bone, like we
Speaker 1: all reacted to it. It made you feel something. It's like,
Speaker 1: as writers, that's what you're trying to do, whether it's
Speaker 1: a sad song or just something fun, like you just
Speaker 1: wanted you wanted to kind of just catch your ear
Speaker 1: and like what And I knew that, like, some people
Speaker 1: would hate that song, but I I felt deep down
Speaker 1: that if it got at least a chance to get heard,
Speaker 1: that it could react. You know, I knew and some
Speaker 1: people would hate it. So we got um a few people,
Speaker 1: like I think Dirk's had it on hold. It's when
Speaker 1: Kicks Brooks made his solo thing. I remember getting the
Speaker 1: email it's on when I was like, awesome, you know, um,
Speaker 1: but really like that was like the that song was
Speaker 1: the perfect storm because a little big town believed in it.
Speaker 1: Their manager, Jason Owen was just like, I'll bet my
Speaker 1: career on the song. And I'm thinking, gosh, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I do. I wrote the song, but with
Speaker 1: Jay Joyce produced. It was just at that time too,
Speaker 1: And it still sounds like so cool on the radio.
Speaker 1: It's just so unique with their Yeah, but I mean,
Speaker 1: it's silly how big that song. Whenever you wrote motor
Speaker 1: Boat and Yeah, were you like Vince Vaughn, Yeah, were
Speaker 1: you like want the couple meanings to this? Obviously do
Speaker 1: you know, wedding crashers. Yeah, that's what I mean. We're
Speaker 1: thinking about, um, you motor boate something big. But but
Speaker 1: I mean it was just another one of those parts
Speaker 1: in the song that we're just like we have to
Speaker 1: because we remember thinking trying to rhyme that like like
Speaker 1: in the ocean or like no, you don't take a
Speaker 1: pontoon of the ocean. Then I don't even remember who
Speaker 1: said the motor boat. But we're like, I was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, in the time, like dude, they say, can
Speaker 1: you say that on the radio, But it's like, it's
Speaker 1: actually a boat unless you saw that movie, no one's
Speaker 1: thinking of you know, there's a funny story you gotta
Speaker 1: if you have you done this with Lorie McKenna, I
Speaker 1: have not. I know Laurie well, but she if you do,
Speaker 1: ask her about when she first heard that song. Mike
Speaker 1: make a note. Natalie told us to how when they
Speaker 1: went out and they were gonna buy they went to
Speaker 1: buy a boat and the guy was like, and she's like,
Speaker 1: can you imagine, I mean, only in Nashville, what are
Speaker 1: the odds? That's funny? So uh, I mean you still right,
Speaker 1: every every five days a week, four days a week
Speaker 1: four three to four. I mean I'm I work every
Speaker 1: day because a lot of times I'm working, like I'll
Speaker 1: work on demos from songs have already written, or try
Speaker 1: to start new ideas for who I'm going to work
Speaker 1: with the next week. My ideal would be to write
Speaker 1: like three days a week and then the other two
Speaker 1: days work on tracks and ideas are finishing up demos,
Speaker 1: produce a little bit. Do you walk down the street
Speaker 1: and there'll be someone who's like, Hey, luc Lair, I'm
Speaker 1: a new songwriter. Can I get this? Can I work with?
Speaker 1: Has it happen too much? Not a lot, but in
Speaker 1: Nashville it happens t s. A agent really hit me up,
Speaker 1: like the same dude two times, like he didn't even
Speaker 1: remember me. He came through. He goes, I know who
Speaker 1: you are, and I was like, he goes, man, I
Speaker 1: really like your songs. I was like, oh, thanks man,
Speaker 1: And then like literally two weeks later, it's like he
Speaker 1: forgot he said that to me, goes, I know who
Speaker 1: you are. What has anyone ever stopped you said hey, hey,
Speaker 1: can I write with you? Like just randomly from the street. No,
Speaker 1: that's usually comes through Twitter and Facebook, which I can't
Speaker 1: imagine the stuff you get. You can't because it DM
Speaker 1: hit me upen the d M. For me, it's never
Speaker 1: and you know I write super songs and comedy songs
Speaker 1: and stuff, but it's always play my song. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. And the weird thing for me is
Speaker 1: I've probably done that to you. The weird thing for
Speaker 1: me is is I can't a man. A weird thing
Speaker 1: because I'm I have a record deal, because you know,
Speaker 1: we have a band. I mean, look, you talk about
Speaker 1: all these charts. We have a number one comedy album,
Speaker 1: like there's so many charts. Yeah, but that's amazing, but
Speaker 1: I'm not now at number one leg though that's a legit.
Speaker 1: That's not like the I won't mention whatever, but it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's somewhat legit, like that's a real chart and
Speaker 1: so but it's since I'm writing music and I write
Speaker 1: stand up, I can't listen to things because I can't
Speaker 1: even subconsciously pick and try to pick up things because
Speaker 1: I don't want to actually write it and they get sued.
Speaker 1: But then again, I'm supposed to be listening for things.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to bring new music all the time. And
Speaker 1: it's just this weird place and like I go every
Speaker 1: people handing me CD, I can't touch them. Do you
Speaker 1: do you have to do that where people like yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like no, and it's and it is true. I
Speaker 1: mean yes, you're kind of like, I don't know that
Speaker 1: I need to be listening to this, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just you're in a position that where you are having
Speaker 1: chart success, like it's nerve wracking. Like when I'm writing
Speaker 1: a song and I start really liking it, I'm like, crap,
Speaker 1: am I on another song? Because I have it has happened,
Speaker 1: like I've been writing like this is awesome, Like oh crap,
Speaker 1: that's whatever hit by Edge Sharon or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, you're always trying to come up with something unique,
Speaker 1: but it's you do think about that stuff. Is it
Speaker 1: impossible figuratively to write a new love song? No, yes,
Speaker 1: it feels that way. And then you hear one You're like, man,
Speaker 1: they didn't like why didn't I think it? What's this?
Speaker 1: What's the song you've heard in the past few years
Speaker 1: where you like, God, I wish I had written that
Speaker 1: song because it's so freaking good. Oh my gosh, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a quite a few. That's the thing when
Speaker 1: people are like, yeah, music now sucks, I'm like, no way.
Speaker 1: I listened to nineties country and there are some really
Speaker 1: bad songs then too that I actually loved. But but
Speaker 1: like when I heard Blue Ain't Your Color, I texted
Speaker 1: Hillary lindsay, I was like, this song, like it just
Speaker 1: I listened to Keith's record and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: that thing just jumped up because we didn't think Keith
Speaker 1: and your Thing. I was like, dude, that it wasn't
Speaker 1: a single, wasn't his first single. And I was like,
Speaker 1: Blue ant College my favorite song on the record, the melody,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's so good, and I felt I really
Speaker 1: felt that way with Humble and Kind. I just thought
Speaker 1: it's just such a unique way to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just so simple, but just to say humble and kind.
Speaker 1: You don't think of that as being like a easy,
Speaker 1: like conversational song. But the thinking about with that song too,
Speaker 1: because I was so Tim and I were sitting in
Speaker 1: my office like an hour before was going to do
Speaker 1: something and he's like, it wasn't this this first single,
Speaker 1: Humbling Kind? They weren't gonna lead with that off of
Speaker 1: I think it was damn cutching music, and he was like,
Speaker 1: there is this song on this record called Humble and
Speaker 1: Kind that's just gonna change the whole game for me.
Speaker 1: And at the time, like he's talking about album cut, Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't really care, you know what's out? Who knows
Speaker 1: people talking ABOUTBM cuts all the time? And and but man,
Speaker 1: was he write about that song? Was so and she
Speaker 1: sorted by herself. It's amazing. I mean, she really is
Speaker 1: one of the best. Um and tim you know, he's
Speaker 1: he is one of those artists who is such a
Speaker 1: good song person. If you look at throughout his career,
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, he may have had a few misses,
Speaker 1: but just at the right time, he will find a
Speaker 1: song that everybody's like, dang it, why didn't I get that?
Speaker 1: And it may have been pitched to a lot of
Speaker 1: other people, but he he knows, he's he just knows songs.
Speaker 1: And you know, you go see his concert and it's
Speaker 1: like hit after hit that are not just did he's
Speaker 1: he has those, but he has the just song of
Speaker 1: the years in there too. It's pretty amazing. The cool
Speaker 1: thing about mcgral to me is that when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, he was awesome I'm an adult. He's still
Speaker 1: the same awesome. It's not like he's a novelty actor.
Speaker 1: His longevity of being relevant it's really amazing. It really
Speaker 1: like him and Chesney both. Oh, it's it's both of
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean right now me being a music
Speaker 1: row Nashville songwriter, those two guys are like the first
Speaker 1: two people you try to get songs to. It's not like,
Speaker 1: well they aren't really you know, it's it'd be cool
Speaker 1: to have the cut, but no, those are you want
Speaker 1: like you're just take your best stuff to them and
Speaker 1: hope they want it. I just remember turning on my
Speaker 1: radio and Mountain Pine, Arkansas and listen to Tim mcgrawl.
Speaker 1: You know when the first time I Don't Take the Girl,
Speaker 1: I was like, my mind, my I'm I'm what like
Speaker 1: this is that they can do this in songs like
Speaker 1: I've like went to the whole roller coaster of emotion
Speaker 1: in this song. I was like, wow, you know Indian
Speaker 1: laws before that then don't Take the Girl And I
Speaker 1: was like this, Tim McGraw's awesome, but still Timergaw, a
Speaker 1: song will come on now like this, timmercaw is all
Speaker 1: it's like the same, like who can last that long.
Speaker 1: It's so hard. This business is so hard. So when
Speaker 1: somebody actually does it, it's gosh, you gotta respect it
Speaker 1: because I don't know. And he's better in better shape
Speaker 1: than every new artist too. Yeah, like Tims got that.
Speaker 1: Whatever I'm gonna do, I'm gonna and so is he's
Speaker 1: gonna work out. Yeah, So well, look, I appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming in. Man, It's like it's like the Queen of England.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, yeah, this little suthing you wrote
Speaker 1: back in the the Game show era of the seventies,
Speaker 1: Wink Martindale, You and Wink Martindale, but this together, it's
Speaker 1: the jam on. It's probably made a lot more money
Speaker 1: than I appreciate you coming in And uh yeah, you
Speaker 1: just loot layered on Twitter. You don't tweet that much though, No,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm more on the Instagram now, but because I
Speaker 1: look for a tweet and don't tweet that much, I
Speaker 1: haven't tweeted deal. I was like, hey, dude, and then
Speaker 1: I hear I responded to that. Its like eighteen days later,
Speaker 1: and I was like, he was always on that lukelar
Speaker 1: delay plan. He does it. I don't even know. I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You know what's funny is one because
Speaker 1: I started this and it's all about for me. I
Speaker 1: love songwriters and I love talking about how the concept
Speaker 1: and the craft and what didn't work out, and so
Speaker 1: you know, we started this thing, you know, months and
Speaker 1: months months ago. I think it was you know, Caitlin Smith,
Speaker 1: and she's a friend of mine, and it went for
Speaker 1: whatever and I'd be like, hey, so and so came
Speaker 1: in and they're like, oh, well they came in. Well
Speaker 1: I want to come in. But because you decided to
Speaker 1: come in, because one always makes another. And I don't
Speaker 1: know who it was that they got you to come in,
Speaker 1: but who who was it that was like, Hey, that
Speaker 1: that's that's not so terrible. Was there anybody for you
Speaker 1: that said that? No, he I think Mike just well,
Speaker 1: that's very kind of you. But so Karen Fairchild, who
Speaker 1: I'm friends with, but I wasn't gonna really ask her
Speaker 1: to because it's like there's this fine line of friendship
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't even ask my come on
Speaker 1: the show. And I could. I could text him, I
Speaker 1: could text Luke and Dirk all the time and be
Speaker 1: like hey, but I don't because there's you want to
Speaker 1: have that free space of just being humans. But at
Speaker 1: the A c M. Cara's like, I'm Luke's doing your show.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to do I'm coming to your house to
Speaker 1: do the Body and I was like, that's what it took,
Speaker 1: Like Luke Lair's gonna come. She's like, yeah, it's it
Speaker 1: must be legit up. Luke's coming and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, whatever it takes. Karen, so really good to
Speaker 1: see it. Thank you for coming. In episode fifty two, Wow,
Speaker 1: Luke laired and thanks again to Blue Apron one hundred
Speaker 1: flowers for sponsoring this. And you know by the music,
Speaker 1: I just buy the music. That's how these guys eat, right,
Speaker 1: and eventually you'll figure this thing out. One of my
Speaker 1: best buzzes like always up at Capitol Hill Lead Miller
Speaker 1: like fighting for songwriters and we sit and we obviously
Speaker 1: we're coming from different places, but he's like one of
Speaker 1: my true, tr true friends, and he's like, let me
Speaker 1: tell you why I hate you. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, and I'm like, dude, I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: I don't run radio. I just get the check, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, let's feed these guys. So by the
Speaker 1: music like all right, we're gonna go, We'll see you
Speaker 1: next time here Episope fifty two of the Bobby Cast
Speaker 1: and over h