1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. We're waiting for Lewis Riddick on loan from ESPNS. 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. We have a new poll question possibility 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Mick Lovin. Okay, will the Las Vegas Raiders finish nine 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: and eight or eight and nine? We are skewing mean today, 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Petty today, everybody's up too late? Yeah, probably so well. 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: Which one's which one's meaner that one? Or more overrated 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Week one performance? James Woodson or Derek Carr? Yeah, pulling. 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: I guarantee you we're gonna get Derek Carr on the 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: show tomorrow. Fritzie, of course, calls for the winning quarterback football. 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: After today's talk, I guarantee we'll have Cardimar. I don't know. 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, after today's talk, we guarantee that we won't 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: have Yeah, Fritzie's always in the middle of a game, 14 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: or it'll be towards overtime. Hey, Derek Carter tomorrow, I'm going, okay, 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: let's see how it ends, and then we're gonna see 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: Derek Carr is not going to end the game and 17 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: go Hey, remind me, I gotta get up really early, 18 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: and I gotta be on the Dan Patrick Show. Yes Club. 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: I like when Fritzie sends a noted three forty five 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: on Saturday after the early college football Hey, do you 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: have to produe it in quarterback? Not realizing that everything 22 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: that happened Saturday could be washed over by Saturday. Oh no, sorry, 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: this is totally mean to talk. Yeah, it'd be some 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: result in the football game. I'll go, Joe Clatt, Joe Clatt, 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: maybe on Monday and I'll go, how about we let 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: the weekend play out there? How about that? Just let 27 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: it slow down a little bit. Dodd's on the phone 28 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: trying to get to Lewis, though he doesn't. He's pretending 29 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: to be on the phone trying to get Lewis Reddy 30 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: because he didn't want to engage. Yeah, yes club, Okay, 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: I gotta really it's always around college football. I have 32 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 1: a really mean college football pallow most disappointing program over 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: the last decade. I think the choices are easy, Okay, 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: USC Texas or Michigan. M pointing because the expectations were 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: became so high. Well, I don't know if the Texas 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: expectations are that high. Michigan because of hardball, expectations are 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: high Texas spends, but they don't get results. I guess 38 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: USC because USC used to be that was a dynasty, 39 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: but it's been a long time. I mean, USC has 40 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: to understand who USC is right now in today's landscape, 41 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's not pretty. But that's why they made this move. 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: It's just you fire Clay Hilton. Clay never would have 43 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: gotten this job. He never would have been the head 44 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: coach if you didn't have the fallout with what happened 45 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: with Steve Sarkisian. I mean a certain things they keep 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: promoting from within, and I think that's where remember Brady Hoke, 47 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: you gotta have a Michigan guy. You don't have to 48 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: have a Michigan guy. You have to have the right 49 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: Michigan guy. You don't have to have a USC guy. 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: You have to have the right USC guy. And Clay 51 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: Helton nice man, but not a head coach at USC. 52 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's the honest truth. And as many times 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: he came on, he was very generous with his time, 54 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: I just it felt like he wasn't a head coach there. 55 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: And there were booze there at the coliseum and you 56 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: get embarrassed by Stanford and all of a sudden, you're 57 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: out after two weeks. Yeah, Paul, Michigan football hasn't won 58 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: the Big Ten since two thousand and four. Brady Hoke 59 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: had eleven and two seasons. Harbus kept them relevant. They've 60 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: had a bunch of ten win seasons and they're always 61 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: in the top twenty. But it still feels like, get 62 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: that Big Ten title and beat Ohio State and then 63 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: it's back. Yeah, Michigan is relevant, but they don't beat 64 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State. And until you do that, you're just not 65 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: going to be on the national landscape. You need to 66 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: be a contender. You need to beat Ohio State. Texas, 67 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: I've never had any expectations for not in a long time. 68 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: And they've had fun quarterbacks and they've had some talent there. 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: I just haven't looked at Texas and went wow. I 70 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: mean since Vince young ye left USC, it always feels like, Okay, 71 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: now they got this quarterback or this wide receiver, this 72 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: running back. I mean, I wonder if they take some 73 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: big swings here. I would if i'm USC. The problem 74 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: sometimes is when you take big swings, if you miss, 75 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: then it feels like, wow, what happened to that program? 76 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: You can't get the guy you want. I mean remember 77 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: when Florida State, Florida was like asking everybody. But you know, 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: there's only a couple of programs like Notre Dame can 79 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: get who Notre Dame wants, or Ohio State could get 80 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: who they want Alabama Nick Saban decides to step down. 81 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few program Clemson where you can go, hey, 82 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: we got a lot of people that would surprise you 83 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: that want these jobs. But USC that hasn't been the feeling. 84 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: But they promote from within, and I think that's part 85 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: of their problem as well. Yeah, I'm a club. We 86 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: were all talking yesterday about how Florida State we still 87 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: think of them as a Florida state from twenty years ago. Yeah, 88 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: and we don't understand why they're not that team. Well, 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: there's Florida State. Texas is like that that there's a 90 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: few that when we grew up, you knew that they 91 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: were great programs year in and year out. You know, 92 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Oklahoma is still a great program year in and year out. 93 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: Texas just isn't. But USC, and I wonder if they 94 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: take a swing, as crazy as this is going to sound, 95 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: and it's gonna sound crazy, does USC go after urban 96 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: Meyer because they from what I was told that they 97 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: made an offer and the higher ups to a certain 98 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: degree level one at Urban Meyer and then it went 99 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 1: all the way to the top and it was next 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: it was vetoed. They did not want to bring in 101 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: urban Meyer into that current culture that everything that's going 102 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: on at USC you take a swing for Urban Meyer. 103 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: I guess you got to at least try. Let's bring 104 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: in Lewis Reddick, the former defensive back and he's the 105 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: analyst for Monday Night Football next week Monday Night Football, 106 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: Lions at the Packers, the Ravens next game Sunday Night 107 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: hosting the Chiefs. The Raiders next game at the Steelers 108 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: on Sunday, and Lewis joins us. Now, Lewis, if I 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: missed the game and you were trying to sum it up, 110 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: could you sum it up? Um? Yeah, just that you 111 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: couldn't put any kind of word limitation on me though 112 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it, It would be a little 113 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: bit longer of of a summary. But what I mean, 114 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: damn yesaw Ian little wild night, this wild night. I 115 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: think the Raiders were once. Really as long as they 116 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: don't have anything unforeseen happened from an injury perspective or 117 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: from a COVID perspective, I think they have the makings 118 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: of a team, especially on the defensive side, that could 119 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: really give them a respectable level of play, unlike any 120 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: defense they've had since maybe John came back. And I 121 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: think that's a big difference. And I think with the 122 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: with the Ravens, I still think I think they're gonna 123 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: be fine. They were playing so so much so, you know, 124 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: at a deficit because of not knowing what the running 125 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: back room would actually look like on game day. The 126 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: offensive line hadn't played very much during the preseason. Got 127 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, they have a new right tackle in the 128 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: middle on the way who you saw really struggled. They 129 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: know now just what they're gonna have to possibly do 130 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: with that. But I still think they're gonna be okay, 131 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: because really, I mean, they're put that game could have 132 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: went either way. So I think they're gonna be fine. 133 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: But I think I think the Raiders could really could 134 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: really have a decent team. They really could. But the 135 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: key is going to be that defense. Is Derek Carr 136 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the guy. Yeah, I've always believed that, and you know what, 137 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: the debate with him or surrounding him for his entire 138 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: career has always been something that's kind of puzzled me 139 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: a little bit. And I know, you know, and this 140 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: started even before like he even got to Oakland. I mean, 141 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: there was always been this. You know. At first, it 142 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: was just a ridiculous Well, you know, his brother wasn't 143 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: very good, and it's like, well, who cares, I mean, 144 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: what does that have to do with him? And then 145 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: it was well, since he struggled with some situations as 146 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: far as throwing the football against pressure and at Fresno 147 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: he's gonna struggle with in the NFL, was like nah, that, 148 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: but see, some of those things followed him when he 149 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: got when he went to the pros. But if you 150 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: look at his career objectively and look at how he 151 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: stacks up against some of the best drawers in the 152 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: NFL in critical situations, whether it be fourth quarter comebacks, 153 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: third down completion percentage, completion you know, completion percentage in 154 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: the red zone, or pasturating in the red zone, this 155 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: guy is right up. He's top five, top eight throughout 156 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: the course of his career and in particular last year. 157 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: And I think he's he's someone who right now is 158 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: so he's so comfortable with what John is doing from 159 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: an offensive perspective. He knows everything about that offense to 160 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: the point where it's like they both will tell you 161 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: he could probably teach it as well as John can 162 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: teach it. That I think you're going to see him play. 163 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: You'll see him play the best football he's played yet. 164 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: And he's going to take guys like Henry Rugs and 165 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: take guys like Brian Edwards who was basically to the 166 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: hero last night, and he's going to make them better players. 167 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: So that's really I think what's next for Derek not 168 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: just how high, how much further he can take his 169 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: game statistically, but how much better he can make everyone 170 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: around him, how much he can elevate the people around him, 171 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: Because that's truly while we really you know, when it 172 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: really comes down to it, that's how we really measure 173 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: greatness at the quarterback position is you know, numbers or numbers, 174 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: and I get it, and some numbers have more importance 175 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: than others, but it's really about how much better do 176 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: you make your team and how much better do you 177 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,719 Speaker 1: do you make the guys on offense as far as 178 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: elevating their level of play. And he realizes that I 179 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: asked him that specific question when we talk to them 180 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: before the Monday night game, and he's very aware of it. 181 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: And I thought, you saw it happen last night, and 182 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: I think you're going to continue to see it happen. 183 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: It's not very often when I could take a highlight 184 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: reel of a quarterback, I could give you like three 185 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: or four or five plays it all happened in one game. 186 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: But I could also give you lowlights of three or 187 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: four plays, and LaVar Jackson had both of those last night. 188 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: Ye what do you make of his performance last night? 189 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: I think, even though he wouldn't say that, he felt 190 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: any added pressure as far as having to play above 191 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: him beyond his own standard of greatness that he's already set. 192 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is he played last 193 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: night like someone who knew that or he felt like 194 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: I had to do something even more spectacular than what 195 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: my normal standard is. And he may have at certain 196 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: points in time gotten careless as far as ball security, 197 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: especially when he was running taken off trying to pick 198 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: up some extra yardage. I mean you saw, I mean 199 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: the two the two crucial turnovers at the Raiders defense 200 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 1: force late in that game were in situations where you know, 201 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: he's the primary ball carrier, he's in traffic and there 202 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: and and that. I mean, it just it cost him. 203 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: It coust him. I think, I think he'll he'll learn 204 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: from that. He'll learn from that, and that won't happen, 205 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: you know, with a consistent level of of occurrence. As 206 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: one he watches the tape from last night to the 207 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: offense itself really finds its identity and really starts to 208 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: develop some cohesion because it doesn't happen. Half of these 209 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: guys have been on the they haven't really been on 210 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the field together all preseason long for different reasons. Starting 211 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: off lamarmous in time because of COVID offensive line. You know, 212 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: they've been shuffling people around, especially in between, you know, 213 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: from guard to guard, and then they didn't play it 214 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: play very much together, you know, all the running back 215 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: injuries obviously the injuries that Wide received with Rashad Bateman 216 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: and Miles Boy could not even really not really being 217 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: available to him. So I think as they all start 218 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: to kind of like get it together from a health 219 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: perspective and start to have some time to practice together, 220 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: and Greg Roman office a coordinator, has an idea of 221 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: exactly how he can best utilize everyone. I think you'll 222 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: see in Lamar's mentality shift from I have to do 223 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: everything to just Okay, now I can just utilize what's 224 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: around me. But last night, there's no question he felt 225 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: like he had to do more than what than what 226 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: was really necessary, any cost them and crucial moments. Were 227 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: you ever in a locker room where you knew your 228 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: starting quarterback was not the right quarterback for you, like 229 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: the Bears situation that Andy Dalton is there, but there's 230 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: part of that locker room that probably says, put in 231 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: Justin Fields, he's the best guy here. How does that 232 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: work in the locker room? Yeah, I've never I've never 233 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: been in that kind of situation with with the quarterback 234 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: position in particular, But I mean you can you can 235 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: definitely just from a from a team perspective and having 236 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: been part of teams in my whole life, and you 237 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: can understand how in the Bear's locker room, there's probably 238 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: there's there's definitely going to be those who feel as 239 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: though Justin needs to be in there right now. There's 240 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: probably a certain set, you know, a certain part of 241 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: the locker room that's a little bit louder than others 242 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: as far as making that point known. And with every 243 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: loss that they you know that they continue to rack 244 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: up and with every touchdown pass that Justin continues to 245 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: throw in or run for it, both in practice and 246 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: in games like he did the other night against the Rams, 247 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: that you know, that silent not really silent, but that 248 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: kind of vocal minority is going to become a vocal majority. 249 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: And Matt's got to be very careful and make sure 250 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: he has his finger on the pulse of that because 251 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: of if he's got to make sure this this season 252 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: doesn't get away from him from his locker room kind 253 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: of like you know, fracturing and splintering to the point 254 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: where he can't recover it and then you know, try 255 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: and make a move to Justin before you know and 256 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: it's too late. He's got to be definitely, he's definitely 257 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: got to be careful with that. Yeah, I just wonder 258 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: if Matt Naggie has that much I'm not going to 259 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: say confidence in his job, but it feels like he 260 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: If you were desperate, then you'd put in Justin fields. 261 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: Then you would attach yourself to your rookie quarterback and say, 262 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: well we don't want to break up that relationship. And 263 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I think they play the Lions 264 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: maybe in week five, and I was wondering if, if 265 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe that's enough time Justin Fields gets in for a 266 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: little bit, sprinkle him in there, and then all of 267 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: a sudden you unveil him in a game against the 268 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: substandard team. But trying to figure out that logic with 269 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: a coach who's on the hot seat, you get your 270 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback. It almost felt like they went with the 271 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: rookie quarterback because I was going to make make you know, 272 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: mean that the coach and GM we're going to keep 273 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: their jobs for a little while longer. Yeah, I mean, 274 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, when you when you try and really you know, 275 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: predict how this would you know, potentially play out. Yeah, 276 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: I could see where you feel that way and and 277 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: how most people would feel that way. And quite honestly, 278 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: I felt, you know, not even knowing that as well 279 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: as I do. I always I thought that, you know, 280 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: at some point in time, like sooner rather than later, 281 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: obviously he would turn to him too, because he didn't 282 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, he's he's a realist. He understand that, you know, 283 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: things are on the line. And that you know, obviously 284 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: if you go with a young quarterback, it could wind 285 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: up giving you more time as far as you're you know, 286 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: the review of surrounding your job status is concerned and 287 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 1: that maybe he would like rush that along sooner rather 288 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: than later. And he has pushed back against that theory 289 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: right from the get go. Dan he has said numerous times, 290 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: and I believe him that he doesn't care about his 291 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: job status. This is really about the short in the 292 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 1: long term development and then sustainability of Justin Fields of 293 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 1: his career that he's trying to safeguard, the safeguard the 294 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 1: young man's career. He doesn't really care what happens to him, 295 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: meaning if he gets fired, he's going to do the 296 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: right thing. He's gonna do right by the kid. And 297 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: that's look. I mean, most people feel though in the 298 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: whole city of Chicago Fields relationship just put him in there, 299 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,959 Speaker 1: and quite honestly, you know, even being as close as 300 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: I am to Matt, I feel he should put him 301 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: in there. But he really does want to see what 302 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton can do. He really does feel as though 303 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: Justin obviously doesn't have there's something that's not making him comfortable. 304 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: Right now to the point where he would just throw 305 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: him in there, especially given the deficiencies that this offense has. 306 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: And look, I respect the hell out of him for 307 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: doing it that way because the the scrutiny and the 308 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: pressure that's being put on him right now to play 309 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: that kid. I mean, you know, it's it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable, 310 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: and he won't. He won't rush it until he fills though. 311 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: That's the best thing for the kids and the heck 312 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: with his own job status. And I respect that great 313 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: broadcast last night with the guys. We appreciate you joining 314 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: us as always and have fun next week in Green Bay. 315 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. That's Lewis Riddick, former NFL defensive back and 316 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: in the Monday Night Booth with Steve Levy and Brian Greasy. 317 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 318 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to 319 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 320 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at 321 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 322 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R, 323 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock Act. Ryan Carchy 324 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: covers usc for the La Times kind enough to join 325 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: us on what has to be a busy day, probably 326 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: busy a couple of days coming up here. Why now, 327 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: why was Clayhelton fired after two games? You know? I 328 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: think it was just made pretty clear and that that 329 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: Stanford defeat, when you're down by more than four touchdowns 330 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter to a seventeen you're supposed to 331 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: be a seventeen point favorite. It was the most lopsided 332 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: loss at the Colleseum to an unranked opponent since two 333 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 1: thousand so, and I think just the general vibe around 334 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: the program, just the frustration of this fan base. There 335 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: are very few fan bases I think that spend three 336 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: years just completely resolute in the fact that their coach 337 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: should be fired and letting the administration know very clearly. 338 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: So I think that was in their heads, of course, 339 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: And I think they just realized that after putting behind 340 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: Clay Helton, putting so many resources and retooling the staff 341 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: and changing the recruiting behind Clay Helton, to see him 342 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 1: come out with just a demoralizing loss that basically showed 343 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: all of the same issues in the last several years, 344 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: I think that was just kind of a breaking point 345 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: for them. Were the expectations for this team. Well, the expectations, 346 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: as they said, have always been to get to a 347 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: Pact FELP championship or to win a PACKFELP championship, And 348 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: you know, I think it was just pretty clear in 349 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: that game that they weren't going to do that. But now, 350 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: you know, it was clear from the statement that Mike Bone, 351 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: the athletic director, put out yesterday that it's kind of 352 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: a national championship or bust attitude as they look for 353 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: a head coach. And you know, they're saying all the 354 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: right things in that sense, but you know, I think 355 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: with Clay Helton, the result, the fact of the matter 356 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: was he was just never going to reach that point. 357 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: I think, you know, this administration came to that realization, 358 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit later than than some other people did. 359 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: I think there's it's fair to quibble with the fact 360 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: that they didn't just take care of this last year, 361 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: but there are other factors involved, namely his buyout. For 362 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: a long time, just given the fact that Lin Swan 363 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: had given an extension to Clay Helton after the twenties 364 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: seventeen season, if they would have fired him in twenty nineteen, 365 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: it would have been twenty million dollars of a buyout, 366 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: so that certainly played a part. That buyouts much smaller now, 367 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: so I think that certainly helps. But at a certain point, 368 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: you just reached that point where fans just aren't going 369 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: to show up and it's going to affect you financially 370 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: in that way too. Yeah, and you go five and one, 371 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, during the pandemic, and you can't fire him then. 372 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: But I was just surprised and your new athletic director 373 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 1: when he came in at least was fair, and you 374 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: would want that in your athletic director, to say, let 375 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: me just see what we have here, to be fair 376 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: to Clay Hilton. I was just surprised that Lynn Swann 377 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: kept him right. That was certainly a sign of the 378 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: fact that Lyn Swan didn't necessarily have the athletic director 379 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: experience that you need when you're at USC And since 380 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: he's left it, it's been kind of clear, even just 381 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: talking to officials in the athletic department who were there 382 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: for both that it's just a stark change in professionalism. 383 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: For whatever you think about the football program, at least 384 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,400 Speaker 1: Mike Bone has you know, quite a bit of experience 385 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to the administrative aspects of the job, 386 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 1: and you know, this will be the toughest test of 387 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: him being an athletic director, and it'll be interesting, certainly 388 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: to see how that search plays out. But Ryan, you 389 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: have so much that's gone on at USC in the 390 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: last couple of years. We have the you know, Operation 391 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 1: Varsity Blues. You have you know, a sexual assault harassment 392 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: lawsuit against a campus doctor. I mean, you didn't have 393 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: fans of the football games. There's a whole lot going 394 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: on here. It almost felt like they couldn't make a 395 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: move like this because they didn't want to add to 396 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: what was already going on. Would that be overstating this 397 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: maybe just some degree, although I do think like all 398 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: of those things play a factor obviously, and I think, 399 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's an interesting sign of where the universe 400 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: city is that at that the leadership at the university 401 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: looks at the pandemic and the obvious deficit and financial 402 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 1: issues that come from that, and they say, you know, 403 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: we still need to get rid of Clay Helton, whether 404 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: whether his buyout is over ten million, whether we're gonna 405 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: have to pay you know, several million more to buy 406 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: out to members of his staff or to buy out 407 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: a new coach. At a certain point, the bottom line 408 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: that's being affected by our football program is important enough 409 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: to make that change. But I do think, you know, 410 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: with Clay Helton, it always helped the fact that he was, 411 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: you know, viewed as a man of integrity. He was 412 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: a consummate gentleman. You never had to worry about just 413 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: ethical issues at least at a program level with Clay 414 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: Helton in charge. And that was the reason why he 415 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: was hired in the first place by Pat Hayden. You know, 416 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: post Steve Sarkisian, Pat Hayden kind of became taken with 417 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, this was a man of 418 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: integrity who would be leading us into a new era. 419 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: We can put this Sarkisian era behind us. Obviously a 420 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: pretty short sighted look at how you hire your football coach, 421 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: and that certainly played out. But I think that when 422 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: you look at the fact that Clay Helton got six 423 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 1: full seasons as the head coach, I think it helped 424 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: quite a bit that he was kind of viewed as 425 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: a man of integrity and people generally liked him, including 426 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: his players, who should be the next head coach at USC. 427 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 1: You know that that's a tough question. I think they 428 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: have a really difficult search ahead in the sense that 429 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: a lot of Boosters want a big splash hire our own. 430 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: Bill Plashki said in his column yesterday that you know, 431 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: they need to go out and hire a guy, not 432 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: that need still needs to prove himself, but that has 433 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: already proven himself, that already has the equity in recruiting 434 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 1: and nationally to sort of instantly hit the ground running 435 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: and make USC that national contender. I'm not sure many 436 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: of those guys are out there. There's a Bob Soups, 437 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: maybe a Chris Peterson, I know, you know, I'm sure 438 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: in the coming weeks their agents will will leak out 439 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: that they're not interested. The obvious choice a lot of 440 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: people have connected is Luke Fickle at Cincinnati because that's 441 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: who Mike Bone hired when he was the athletic director there. 442 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: I'm not so sure that's a sure thing. I think 443 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: Luke Fickle, you know, spent basically his entire life in Ohio, 444 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: in the Midwest. I've heard from some people they're not 445 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: sure whether he would want to go to USC and 446 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: be a part of that kind of la cacophony of 447 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: fans constantly complaining about the program. Now there are a 448 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: lot of other candidates, Matt Campbell, maybe even a Bill 449 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: O'Brien who sort of bring that heft. Maybe they have 450 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: kind of proven themselves a little bit in difficult places. 451 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: I was wondering if you'd bring that up that. I'm 452 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: sure there will be a lot of message board topics 453 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: with urban Meyer in the title over the next couple 454 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: of weeks, But the same issues stand from before when 455 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: when he was talked about, and every indication that I 456 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: gotten from USC officials, from people at the university, even 457 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: not even just in athletics, was to the appetite for risk. 458 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: I'm bringing in a guy who asked maybe questions about 459 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: his integrity in his past. You know, at this current 460 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: moment in our society, I just don't know that that 461 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: administration at the university level has the stomach for that. 462 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin, that would certainly be interesting. I don't know 463 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: if Lane would want to come back, just given the 464 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: way the way things ended. But honestly, everything I've heard 465 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: is that they will open up the search to anyone 466 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: and everyone. For now, they have basically three months to 467 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: conduct it. So that's a lot of time to figure 468 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: it out, but it also leaves less margin for error 469 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: in terms of if you get it wrong, you really 470 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: screwed this up. You had that much time. I'm going 471 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: to throw on another name, and he was just on campus, 472 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: David Shaw. Yes, I mean he wouldn't leave for NFL jobs. Now, 473 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: I wonder if he'd really want to uproot his family 474 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: and all that to leave Stanford when he clearly I mean, 475 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: they've had a rough couple of seasons and you don't 476 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: hear his name anywhere near the Hot Sea. So I 477 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 1: think that's a pretty comfortable situation to be in, although 478 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: fascinating idea. Great to talk to you, Ryan, Thanks for 479 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: joining us. We'll be following what you right. Awesome. Thanks. 480 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: That's Ryan Carchy. He covers usc for the La Times. 481 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 482 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine until 483 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: noon eastern six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, 484 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: and you can find us on the iHeartRadio app at 485 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: FSR or stream us live on the Peacock app. He's 486 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: my Carmen, I'm Dan Fire. We have a brand new 487 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: fantasy football podcast. Called I Want Your Flex twice a 488 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 1: week every Tuesday and Friday, we come up with new 489 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: episodes to not only look back at what happened, what 490 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 1: you need to do at that minute, and also look 491 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: ahead of what's coming up in the fantasy football world. 492 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: That's right, Dan. Every week we're gonna scour the waiver 493 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: wire to find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup, sits, starts, 494 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate 495 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: the competition. Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike 496 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: Carmen and Met Dan Buyer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple 497 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: Podcast and wherever you get your podcasts. Ross Tucker former 498 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman, host of Ross Tucker Football Podcast. He 499 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: hosts the Eagles preseason as their color analyst. He is 500 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 1: a very busy man. He'll be on the call the 501 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Ravens Sunday Night Football in Westwood One 502 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: and he joints this. Now, was that one of those 503 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: that the Raiders won or the Ravens lost? As we 504 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 1: like to ask that question, Ross, oh man, Dan, I'm 505 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: gonna I'll give the Raiders credit because it felt like 506 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: they wanted a couple times so I'll say the Raiders 507 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: won it, but there's no question that Lamar Jackson's fumbles 508 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: were the difference in the game. And it felt like 509 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: the Ravens were really in pretty darn good shape other 510 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: than those fumbles. But that's a big part of it. Yeah, 511 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: that's a big part of Lamar Jackson as a player. 512 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: It's a big part of the football game and the 513 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: way the Raiders played. I was just so impressed because 514 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: I thought there were a bunch of times when the 515 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: Raiders could have laid down. We're gonna lay down and 516 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: the Ravens would take it away. I don't know, I've 517 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: seen the stat there was like eighty times in a 518 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: row the Ravens had won or something like that within 519 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: a fourteen point lead. So give the Raiders a lot 520 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: of credit to come back against a very good defense 521 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: down two scores like that. Are you sold on Derek Carr? 522 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: You a Derek Carr guy? I am sold that Derek 523 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: Carr is a franchise quarterback. I am sold that Derek 524 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: Carr as a starting quarterback. And I think most people 525 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: probably realize now, Dan, you can get into this debate, 526 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: but if you have a top twenty quarterback, and I 527 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: believe Derek Carr is that right somewhere, probably between twelve 528 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: and twenty, depending on how he's playing. I think you'll 529 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: hold on to those guys for dear life, because if 530 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 1: you have one of the worst five to ten, you 531 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: really don't have a shot. If you have Derek Carr, 532 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: you have a chance to go to the playoffs. Do 533 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: you ever go a chance to go to the playoffs 534 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: to win multiple playoff games? Do I think he's a 535 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: super Bowl championship quarterback? Well, I mean if Nick Foles 536 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: won one, yes, if Jimmy Garoppolo should have won one 537 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, then yes, But you have 538 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: to have a really good team around him. Are you 539 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: you're acting like a lawyer here, You're making a case 540 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: for your client. That's what it sounded like. Yeah, But 541 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: like I mean, I guess I don't know. Are you 542 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: passionate about Derek Carr's your quarterback? No? I don't think 543 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: I am, Although you know what I really liked. I 544 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: really liked what he said last night after the game 545 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: about his offensive line, about the defense. He kind of 546 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: he kind of got me passionate about him as a guy, 547 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: maybe more than him as a quarterback. With that postgame 548 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: interview what he said about Zay Jones six am, Derek 549 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: Carr kind of got me fired up after the game. 550 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: You know what, Derek Carr, you know what category he 551 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: goes into, Dan, Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins, a lot 552 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: of these guys, they go into the category of man, 553 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: you'd rather have him than a bunch of other guys, 554 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: but you'd always rather have somebody better, you know. I 555 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: don't know what I think. I started like twenty five 556 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: games Dan in my career, over five whatever how many 557 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: years it was. I got the distinct impression every time 558 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: I was playing that the team I was on would 559 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: really rather have somebody better out there, you know, you know, 560 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: like I didn't lose the game for him, I didn't 561 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: lose the game for him, but they really would rather 562 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: if there was somebody It's hard to watch Derek Carr 563 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: Monday night after you watched the ridiculous throw that Mahomes 564 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: made the Tyree Hill to give the Chiefs that win 565 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: against the Brown It's hard to watch some of these 566 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: guys and the plays they make and not as a 567 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: fan be like, oh I want that, I want that 568 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: guy Cousins is fine cars five, but I want that 569 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: guy for my team. We're talking to Ross Tucker, former 570 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: NFL offensive lineman. We believe he started twenty five games 571 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: in his NFL career. Lamar Jackson, I can give you 572 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: a highlight of unbelievable stuff and then I can give 573 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: you another highlight tape that is bad stuff there. And 574 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: having those two in the same game, you just you know, 575 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: you help your team win, but you help your team 576 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: lose as well. What do you think the Ravens will 577 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: try to get Lamar Jackson to do differently against the 578 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: Chiefs on Sunday night? Yeah? Well, first of all, I 579 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: can't wait for the game Sunday night. It's gonna be awesome. 580 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: It's a huge game. Obviously, there's two things. Number One, 581 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: he just can't fumble like that. You know you cannot fumble. 582 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: But what does that mean? Of course he can't fumble. 583 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: He doesn't, he's not trying to. What it means is 584 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: take care of the ball better. You know, when you're 585 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: in that situation, you're not always going to be able 586 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: to escape. This is not high school anymore, it's not Louisville. 587 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: You're not always gonna be able to make a play 588 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: you can't fumble, and he still misses a few layups. 589 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: So he makes some great throws, I mean the touchdown 590 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: Andrews back of the end zone. He makes them awesome 591 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: throws Dan, but he still misses some layups. And I've 592 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: said the same thing about the Ravens for years now. 593 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: I think that the Ravens are good enough to win 594 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: double digit games, win a playoff game, maybe two, but 595 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: I don't see him going to the super Bowl. You 596 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: gotta win three games to go to the super Bowl 597 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: against good teams, the Chiefs, the Bills, the brown whatever. 598 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: He just doesn't and maybe not just Lamar, but the 599 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: passing game, it's just not good enough converting the layups 600 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: to win three playoff games. Ear. I feel like the 601 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: Ravens are in football purgatory. And I'll give you another team, 602 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Seahawks looked great on Sunday, but I don't 603 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: think they're really good enough to beat Tampa or to 604 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl. I feel like there's some 605 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: teams that are in no man's land where they're just 606 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna go to the playoffs and maybe win a game 607 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 1: every year and then that's it. Seattle in the in 608 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: the NFC Baltimore in the AFC. Okay, but Lamar Jackson's 609 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: twenty four, how much more can he improve with his passing? 610 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: Because it felt like he was really reliant on running 611 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: because they don't have a running game, and maybe that 612 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,600 Speaker 1: led to some of these fumbles. But as far as 613 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: being a pocket passer, because he's gonna eventually slow down 614 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: and he's gonna have to beat you from the pocket 615 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: a couple of times here, well, it's interesting because it 616 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 1: felt like they had him do more of that last 617 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,439 Speaker 1: night than we had seen the last two years, even 618 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: when he was MVP. It felt it was more drop 619 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 1: back passing from Lamar. Honestly, Dan, I think he probably 620 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: has a similar career path to Cam Newton. Now. I 621 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: don't think Lamar takes as much physical punishment as Cam 622 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: did because Lamar is more of a speed runner than 623 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: a power runner. But I wouldn't I would not be 624 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: surprised if they had similar career paths in which Lamar 625 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: has several more good seasons and the Ravens are in 626 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: the mix like the Panthers were for a while there, 627 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: and then eventually you know, the physical gifts are not 628 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: enough for him to be able to have sustained play 629 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: like that in his thirties. You think this is a 630 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: ten year window. Yeah, and what's wrong with that? By 631 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: the way, not everybody great. Everybody's breeze ten years. I mean, 632 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: you have a MVP caliber quarterback for ten years. That's awesome. 633 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: The biggest surprise of Week one was what probably the 634 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,720 Speaker 1: Packers playing that poorly. I mean, I picked the Texans 635 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: to win, so I can't say them. I picked the 636 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: Eagles two wins, I can't say them. I did not 637 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: think the Packers would come out there and play that poorly. 638 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I have no idea why they 639 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: fired Mike Petton. He was They were a top ten 640 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: defense the second half last year. They bring in Joe Barry, 641 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 1: who's never coordinated better than like the twenty eighth ranked 642 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: defense in four or five years. I mean, you know 643 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,240 Speaker 1: how much variance there is on defense four or five years, 644 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: never better than like twenty eighth. And they looked like 645 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: they gave up thirty eight points to Jamis Winston could 646 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: have been more. And then offensively, boy, I know they 647 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: got some old line issues with Bok tri out, but 648 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: they did not look very good, and I'm sorry, but 649 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: Rodgers did not look to me like he had the 650 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: same edge he had last year. I mean, last year Rogers, 651 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: you could almost sense he was out to prove something 652 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,320 Speaker 1: to the world. He was mad about the Jordan Love pick. 653 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: Now he just looks to me like he looks like 654 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: a yoga instructor, like at the beach. It doesn't look 655 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: like he's mad and trying to prove something wrong anymore. 656 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: He looks like he could be my sense you know, 657 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, he looks very zen. I don't know 658 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: if zend's good. Great to talk to you as always, Bud, 659 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: Safe travels and we'll talk to you soon. Sounds great. 660 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: That's Ross Tucker. Ross Tucker the former NFL offensive lineman, 661 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,919 Speaker 1: host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast, and he's gonna 662 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: be doing Westwood One, The Chiefs and the Ravens on 663 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,720 Speaker 1: Sunday night. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 664 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine 665 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: to noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox 666 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Find your local station for The Dan Patrick 667 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: Show at Fox sports Radio dot com, or stream us 668 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,080 Speaker 1: live every day on the iHeartRadio app. By searching f 669 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: s R or stream us live on the Peacock Act. 670 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: Rick Neuheisel, former UCLA head coach and now working for 671 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: CBS CBS College Football Analyst and also coached at Washington 672 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: and Colorado. He knows the Pac twelve. In other words, 673 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: and Rick kind enough to join us explain the timing 674 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: of USC's decision to fire Clay Hilton makes no sense. 675 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Clay had been hanging on in what I 676 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 1: call coaching purgatory for it seems like the last three 677 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: or four years. I mean, he was hanging on like 678 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: that cat was hanging on in Miami. I mean, but 679 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,239 Speaker 1: to do it in week two is a little bit 680 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: questionable because now it puts if you really think Dante 681 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: Williams is a good coach, you put him in kind 682 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: of harm's way because if he does well, the players, 683 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: just like they did for Mario Crystal Ball in Oregon, 684 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,200 Speaker 1: are going to be clamoring he should be the guy. 685 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: And is he really going to be the guy that 686 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: you're going to go forward with? That to me is 687 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: a precarious situation. And if he doesn't do well, you've 688 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: lost one of your best recruiters. What is the upside 689 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: to this. The up side to this is, look, you're 690 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: telling your constituency, the Trojan Faithful, that you're going back 691 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: to trying to be a dynasty. You realize you were 692 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,840 Speaker 1: kind of a fringe player all along during this last regime, 693 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 1: and that isn't good enough. Yeah, I just wondered if 694 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: it was he on that short of a leash that 695 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 1: it was, and I know, losing to Stanford and losing 696 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 1: at home, being embarrassed, and UCLA is starting to rise 697 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: a little bit like I don't know if the tour 698 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: are connected at all. My connecting the dots and they 699 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: shouldn't be connected. I don't think that has much to 700 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: do with it. I think it does have something to 701 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 1: do with that they're getting ready for a new television 702 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 1: deal and they want to signal to the television partners 703 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: that hey, we're SC's going to be a different animal, 704 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,800 Speaker 1: going back to the days of glory quote unquote. Listen 705 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: when Clay Helton went small ball when he hired Cliff 706 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: Kingsbury and then Cliff off to the off to the NFL, 707 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 1: So he had to stay within the same genre. Otherwise 708 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: it would have looked like he was just hiring a name. 709 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: He goes with Graham Harrell. You lose a lot of 710 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,440 Speaker 1: history with USC. I mean this is a place for 711 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:29,880 Speaker 1: ron Yerry, Anthony Munio's, Keith van Horn, Brad Buddy, Don 712 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: mosebar Tony Bisselli. I mean Elijah Vera Tucker was a 713 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: first rounder. But they averaged Dan less than a hundred 714 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,440 Speaker 1: yards of game rushing three yards a kerry last year. 715 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: This they used to be the bullies on the block. 716 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 1: Going down the tunnel at the coliseum with those guys 717 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,960 Speaker 1: in there, You're like, oh my goodness, they went small ball, 718 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: and it was it's not what you do when you're 719 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: a dominant program. Well, give me the state of this program. 720 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,879 Speaker 1: Let's you know, USC needs to be honest with us, 721 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 1: see right. They need to go back to financing their expectations. 722 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,959 Speaker 1: They need to go and that's what Mike Bone said 723 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: in this dismissal letter that he has given them added 724 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: resources they need now to go back and use the 725 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: power that they wield in the world of recruiting. I 726 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't even be shocked if they went and got an 727 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: NFL GM, given all the different ways to amass talent 728 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: now via the transfer portal, go get a bunch of 729 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: nil deals in Los Angeles that are going to be 730 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: readily available for kids that are going to be come 731 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: into the program and go back to being a dominant team. 732 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: The name that I'm going to throw out there, and 733 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if Urban's gonna like the NFL, but 734 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer is the guy that I would be circling. 735 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: But I thought that they he was tops on the list, 736 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: but then it was vetoed by the higher ups that yeah, yeah, 737 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,799 Speaker 1: But the higher ups now have also now seen what 738 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 1: happens when they don't have the guy that they need. 739 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: And Urban's been hired already, so if somebody else has 740 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: hired him, it now makes it easier for you to 741 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,239 Speaker 1: You can see that he's made amends. Blah blah blah. 742 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: Could you see Urban Myra one and done in the NFL? Rick, Yes, Why. 743 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,839 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer is a control guy, and I don't say 744 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: that disparagingly. He wants total control. The NFL athlete is 745 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: a different animal and sometimes his way of doing things 746 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 1: will fall on some deaf ears which will drive him crazy. 747 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:42,399 Speaker 1: Could you call Urban Meyer now for January? You can 748 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,040 Speaker 1: make overtures, you can you can go back channels and 749 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, try to get to his people and see 750 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: if there's any interest. Now, obviously it's only one game in, 751 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: and if Jacksonville has a complete, you know, change of 752 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: course and becomes a you know, close to a playoff 753 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: team or a playoff team, then this would all go 754 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 1: out the window. But if this has the kind of 755 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: season that I don't think is a far fetched idea, 756 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: meaning that it's a three, four or five win team, 757 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: urban Meyer might say, you know what, I'm more of 758 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: a college guy. Okay, I'm going to throw out a 759 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: name while we're throwing out names. Yes, because urban Meyer 760 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 1: can't be one and done in the NFL. Lane Kiffin 761 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: t Sean likes Lane Kiffin. I think too big a 762 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,160 Speaker 1: leap for the Trojan administration to go back there. I mean, 763 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:38,719 Speaker 1: if you're going to do that, why wouldn't you go 764 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: back to sark Right now? Lane Kiffin has this kind 765 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,560 Speaker 1: of aura about him that somehow, mysteriously he can build it. 766 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,440 Speaker 1: But Lane Kiffin does it in the same way. He 767 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: small balls it. He's throwing it all over the place. 768 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: Now they run the ball more than sc does. But 769 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: I still think you need somebody like I tell you, 770 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, Bill O'Brien might be in on this deal 771 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: if he has his kind of year. Luke Fickle, Yeah, 772 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: I think that's the guy. Yeah, Luke Fickle. But the 773 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: question is can he recruit the West coast urban? Trust me, 774 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: Urban's where they're where they're going to try to butter 775 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: their bread. Well, we might as well go all the 776 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: way to the top and go Pete Carroll. Bring Pete 777 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,879 Speaker 1: Carroll back while we're at it, Rick, Yeah, while we're 778 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: at it. I mean, listen and Pete could probably do it. 779 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: But Pete seems pretty happy there in Seattle. Yeah, but 780 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand. You know, they don't keep talent 781 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: in Southern California. They're letting all these great quarterbacks leave 782 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 1: Southern California. You may not you may not get him 783 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,879 Speaker 1: out of high school right away, but you can get 784 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 1: him on the bounce back. That's what Sonny Dikes has 785 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: done at SMU. He's got a bunch of Dallas kids 786 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: coming back to uh uh SMU and their team is 787 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 1: I mean last year they or the first time rank 788 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,319 Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty four. The transfer portal has given you 789 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: two bites at the apple. Now for these kids that 790 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: are from local and like I said, I wouldn't be 791 00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: surprised if you go and get the new model. I 792 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,560 Speaker 1: think is go get a general manager that's going to 793 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,920 Speaker 1: help you look at all these different arenas to find 794 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: talent and amass yourselves with him. One thing USC has 795 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: always been willing to do is let you get players 796 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: into school. So wait, are you still bitter? Does that sound? Yea? 797 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: Then I come off a little bit bitter. Maybe it 798 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,400 Speaker 1: was the fifty to nothing thrashing. I took Dan as 799 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,360 Speaker 1: a matter of fact. You were there, Yes, I was. 800 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: You were there as I was not for the whole game. No, 801 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,600 Speaker 1: that bursafully. Yeah, and I was on the other sideline. Well, 802 00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:51,520 Speaker 1: assess what we've seen so far. UCLA roughs up l 803 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: Sue at home in Oregon, goes on the road to 804 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: beat Ohio State. Is this an anomaly or is PAC 805 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: twelve for real? Those two teams are not anomalies. They're 806 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:05,840 Speaker 1: both physically built. Chip Kelly, I've said many times, should 807 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,760 Speaker 1: have been a Service Academy coach because of his affinity 808 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,000 Speaker 1: for running the football. Schematically, he's ahead of most in 809 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: the run game, and now he's got two bruising backs. 810 00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,479 Speaker 1: That kid from Michigan Charbonnet and the Kid from Duke 811 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: Brown both transfers, again showing you that you can find 812 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: ways to get players they're they're the real deal, and 813 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,479 Speaker 1: if the quarterback can have any kind of year, they're 814 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: going to be in this race all the way to 815 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: the end. The Oregon win was fantastic, beautifully done. It 816 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: maybe more about Ohio States defense than it is about 817 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,879 Speaker 1: Oregon's team. I think we're going to have to wait 818 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 1: and see where they are defensively. They gave up six 819 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: hundred yards of offense and still found a way to 820 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,200 Speaker 1: win because they were able to control it. I'm not 821 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,439 Speaker 1: sure there aren't some better defenses right now that they'll 822 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,439 Speaker 1: see later in the season, in particular Ucla, who looked 823 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,880 Speaker 1: really good against LSU. The worry in the Pac twelve 824 00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: is the bottom half. They're they only power five team 825 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: with three oh and two teams, and in particular Washington 826 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: because Washington is vital to the Pac twelve success as well. 827 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: Always great to talk to you. You make as smarter. 828 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: Thank you, budn See you, Dan,