WEBVTT - Becoming Letterboxd Users: with Liz Purchell 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.240 These filmmakers, the ones that really cared and were really 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.400 trying to do good work. They were using sex as 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.600 a way of exploring these ideas of gay liberation. We're 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:13.120 still arguing about the merits of promiscuity versus monogamy or 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.279 you know, polly relationships or you know, I only have 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:19.680 one partner, Like, none of this stuff is new, and 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.000 I think people don't realize that. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:30.000 It wasn't an AMC, so I unfortunately am a loser. 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:33.320 I did not see Dune Too at AMC. I thowt 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:35.560 at one of the you know, just one of those 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.600 off label theaters, and I loved it. 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.280 It was fucking amazing a theater that only serves like 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:49.240 doctor like not fuck, what's the off brand, like mister Pib, 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.760 Like like Doctor Spicey or something like that, like all 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.880 those like, well, mister Pib is the off brand. But 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.640 there's an even offer offer off brand of a Doctor Thunder. 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:02.640 It's called Doctor Wait, no, I think that's the off 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.800 brand Mountain too. I think my parents bought Doctor Thunder 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.280 one time and I was punching holes through the wall, like, Mom, 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.800 fucked up. I thought you loved me. Go back to 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:20.679 the store now and real Mountain mob. Yeah, but yeah, 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:21.440 you love Dune. 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:24.000 Yeah, I fucking loved it. So I went in a 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:27.840 whole Dune journey this weekend. I watched Obviously, I went 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.160 back and rewatched the first one. 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.680 You said you watched the mini series too, right. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.320 Well, I didn't watch the mini series no, but then 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.720 I watched the David Lynch mm hmmm, absolutely terrible. Well, 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:41.440 you know what, one thing I will say about the 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:44.040 David Lunch, one thing I will say about the Dame 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.560 absolutely terrible. It wasn't absolutely terrible. The visuals were actually stunning. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.000 But one thing I will say about the David Lynch 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.520 is it was really really fucking good at explaining the 0:01:53.560 --> 0:01:56.280 plot to me. Because if you don't understand what the 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.280 fuck is in Dune, go and watch the David Lynch one, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.720 because they are like reading it to a baby. 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.760 That's one of my problems with it is that it's 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.680 weird for a David Lynch movie on a lot of reasons. 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:11.000 But yeah, one of them being that David Lynch doesn't 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.760 explain things like that's like very key to like his 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:19.440 artistic process. Yeah, but in this movie he's just explaining 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.440 everything to you the whole Well, time. Have you read 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.360 the book? No, I have, and I can't read. Actually, 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.560 in the book, there's a lot of like each chapter 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.000 will be like from like someone's like perspective, and there 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.320 will be a lot of things where you like hear 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.200 like what's in their head. Like there'll be like something 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:37.520 in italics that's like and the Emperor thought that was 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:43.000 gay and yeah. So that's why in David Lynch's doing 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.920 there's so many scenes of like like it just like 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.120 hearing like someone's like thoughts, you know, which is weird. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.560 It doesn't really work for me, but that's why it's there. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:59.040 The worst part for me was the combat. I absolutely 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.560 hated those shields. Oh, I like the shield. I thought 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.119 I thought his idea for the shield was kind of cool. Honestly, 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:07.440 it was doing too much for me. I was just 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.120 like it was of its era. I thought it really was. 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:16.080 I think it's definitely overheated. I would agree with honestly 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.160 a lot of the criticisms, and I would also agree 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:23.359 that it's very will say it's outside of Lynch's wheelhouse 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:27.079 and every way possible. I would agree it's his worst 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:31.160 movie as well. But I don't think it's like I 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.160 don't know. I don't think it's terrible, Like it's cool. 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:36.440 It wasn't terrible, But I do agree with what you 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:39.600 told me, and you said that it gets bad once 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.560 they get to like the Fremen village. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.440 Yeah, once they get to the seat, it's like it 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.280 all falls apart. It all falls apart because they're just 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:48.720 rushing to the end at that point. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:49.360 Yeah. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:53.440 Yeah, the DNI did it a much smarter way by 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:59.000 trilogy having Yeah, well the first book is like two 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:05.360 books technique, and yeah, it ends more or less where 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.640 the first movie ends and ends more or less where 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:14.280 the second movie ends too, And also same with these 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:18.240 two new movies. The book. The second part of both 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:23.000 of them really feels like or the first part really 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.360 feels like just like a long exposition dump to get 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.359 to the second part, where the second part just has 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:33.080 all these payoffs, like like that's when you actually get 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.479 to like ride the worms and see like fight and 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:36.720 like cool shit like that. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.400 It was so Yeah, I just want to know how 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:41.240 they got off the worms. I just wish that they 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.599 would have shown that, because are they tucking and rolling? 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:44.640 Is that what's going on? 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:48.720 They're just like they've had its head they're like, oh, 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:50.520 I don't I don't know. Actually I don't remember if 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.640 they explain that. I think they do. I think they 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.599 like slide down it somehow okay with the hooks or something. Well, 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.479 I went down another rabbit hole this morning. In the way, 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.240 I wanted to ask you one more thing about it. 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.760 What did you think of Austin Butler? Which one is 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:12.239 that guy? He's the freak ass the freak ass Billy 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.799 Corgan from a Tool music video that is so funny. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.880 Oh my god, that is the fun Yes, do you 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.920 not know who that is? Yeah, well you look up 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.440 a picture of him. Let me see right now. He's 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.200 one of the hottest men that I've ever seen in 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:27.719 my life. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:29.279 I mean I thought he was hot looking like a 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:37.560 freak he played Elvis. Oh wow, he's super hot. Yeah. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.800 He's a very funny person too, because he's very weird, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.440 like he's he's really weird in interviews. He's really like, 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:47.200 I don't know, he's just a very like truly like 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:53.400 weird little guy. But he's like beautiful in every single way. Yeah, 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.080 I don't know. I thought his role in it was 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.800 so fun like him, he was so I loved. 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:03.120 The kiss the kiss between him and where they where 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.000 he kissed him and I was like, oh, that was 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:06.960 kind of gay, and then like he kissed him back, 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:08.480 and I was like, oh, that's a realer guy. 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.760 No, I'm kidding. Well, you know this is interesting because 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.000 a long time ago we were talking to some trans girl. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.760 I don't remember who it was, but she was asking us. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.840 She was saying like, yeah, I love sci fi and 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.520 I think Sam was like a dueler Dune because Sam's 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:28.200 like an obsessed with Dune. And she was like, no, yeah, 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.440 She was like what's that? And I was like, how 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.520 do you not know what you just said? You're obsessed 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.080 with sci fi? Like how do you not like, how 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.720 have you never heard of Dune? That's crazy? But she 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.880 was like is it queer? I was like, it's and 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.280 I definitely has some like gender stuff. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:45.560 Eda. 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:48.280 I mean, but if you need the media, you consume 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.320 to be queer, like kill me? No, I agree, you 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.479 know what I mean. But I do think that's an 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:58.800 interesting question because part was Paul. But Paul is like 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.320 non binary code very because. 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.599 Oh, and isn't his dad like a eunuch in the book? 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.160 Where am I making that up? Okaysky made that up. 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.480 I want to talk about Hodorowsky in a second. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:16.000 Oh, I haven't watched that Hoskis too well, his dad 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:20.040 has a penis. Oh, okay, okay, No, there's a documentary 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:21.200 called Hodowski's Do. 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:23.280 Yeah, I watched it this morning. I want to talk 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:27.400 about it. So I at five o'clock in the morning, 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.600 when my dog was shitting blood out of his bee 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:35.760 hole and throwing up on my linen duvet cover, I 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.120 got up and I started watching Howderoski's Dune and it 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.800 blew my fucking socks off. Okay, this movie, the fact 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.040 that it was never made is so infuriating, and it 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.160 really just comes down to the fact that, like Hollywood 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.240 didn't trust Howtorowski to direct this huge movie. They gave 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.920 it to David Lynch later on. But the crazy thing 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.880 was is that he put together this entire team of 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:04.240 like artists and producers and and people that later went 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.080 on to these other productions like Alien and fucking Dune, 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:13.280 David Lynch's Dune and made it what it is. And 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.160 the thing that I wanted to talk about the most 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.720 that really blew my mind was do you know who 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:21.040 the Emperor and the Princess were supposed to be in 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:22.360 Holderowski's Dune. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:31.400 Oh take a guess, crazy Spanish speaking crazy person. Fuck uh, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.959 Javier Malay and Penelope Cruise. No, you have to think 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:43.960 of the era of the era. I don't know Gloria 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:45.400 Estefan and. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.480 I don't know is going to be played by Salvador 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.520 Deli and the Princess was going to be played by Amandlayer. 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:55.280 And if you know anything about me. 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.839 You know that I'm waiting the trans woman. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:05.840 Well, Janie, that's controversial, okay, because she, yes, is probably 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:10.800 definitely most likely a trans woman. She's never officially. 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:11.839 Yeah, people say that about me too. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:18.400 Yeah, she never officially come out, but so for all 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:19.480 we know, she's a sis woman. 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:19.959 Bad. 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.679 She was in the documentary. She like she like spoke 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.040 in the documentary. She was interviewed. It's really good. You 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:26.679 should watch it. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:28.559 I don't really like Kodowski. 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.920 It's oh my god, I actually thought we were gonna 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.320 I it's not I actually likes I have a complex 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.280 feelings because I enjoy The Holy Mountain. I think it 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.840 has a lot of cool visuals in it, but it's 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.400 I rarely say this about movies because I generally like 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.680 stuff like this, but it is very like I hate 0:09:50.800 --> 0:09:53.240 using this word, but it's like it's very weird for 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.680 the sake of being weird, and it has a lot 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.840 of stuff in it that I just know is like 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.439 just there to be like weird. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:06.360 And make you feel uncomfortably. Yeah. That being said, I 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.080 think there's a lot of cool shit in it that 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:11.160 I do like, but I just think he's up his 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.040 ass a little bit. And I also don't like that 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.640 he filmed a little literal like rape, like an actual 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:20.240 rape in one of his movies. I think, Yeah, in 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:22.520 the movie El Topo, there's a rape scene and they 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.760 like didn't like tell the actress like what they were 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:25.319 about to do. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:26.080 End. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.120 Yeah, it's really gross. It's really fucked up. So thank 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.079 you for educating me on. Yeah, I don't like him 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.679 for that. I think that's really bad, the same reason 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.840 I don't like Bertuluci. I think I think it's gross, but. 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.079 Actually explains a lot about he actually in the documentary 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.960 because he's still alive and he's interviewed in the documentary. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.120 He's made some he's made a few movies in like 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:48.160 The Two Thousand Tons. 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:53.080 Yeah, I will I will say he's not my favorite 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.000 Spanish speaking director. That would go to the one who 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.000 uses red and everything. What's his fucking looking? 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.120 Oh my god, I'd tie me up, tie me down 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:06.199 and volvert that guy Pedrama Dovar. Yes, and he's got 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:10.040 that new movie with We talked about the skin I 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:13.599 live in with Hassa. I think, yeah, okay, anyway, or no, 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:16.640 we talk about it with Liz, I think yeah, yeah. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.560 Well, you know what, this has been a fun little 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.760 ramble down dune, dune corner. We had a duney corner, 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:26.280 dune lane. Should we talk about about what we're getting 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.920 into today and who are guests is? Since we just 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:33.240 mentioned her, yes, I would love to. Liz Prischelle is 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:40.679 a queer film historian, film preservationist and you'll probably hear 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.600 me say a lot of this again in like a second, 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.080 but she's awesome. She was someone I followed on letterbox 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.800 for a long time. I really wanted to have her 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:52.280 on because we love movies here and this is a 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:58.040 very very heavy movie centric episode with a very very 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:02.280 knowledgeable guest. So I I highly recommend any any movie 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:02.920 heads that like. 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:04.199 Listening to us. I think this is going to be 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.200 a treat for you. She's going to give you a 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:11.200 lot of good education, a lot of very good recommendations. 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.560 And this is a really fun one. Hell yeah. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:17.199 Finally, it's the episode we've been leading up to. It's 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:23.560 our Letterboxed episode, the big gay Letterboxed episode. So Michael 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:29.000 becoming letterbox Users. Okay, that's the title of the episode 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:44.120 right there. Well, everybody, enjoy our conversation with Liz Perschelle. Well, 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.800 we're very excited about our guest today. Please welcome to 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:47.199 the pod. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:47.679 Everyone. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:51.760 We have Brooklyn based queer film historian, programmer, filmmaker, and 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:55.880 creator of Ask Anybody. Her name is Liz Perschelle. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.200 Hi, Liz, how are you doing good? 0:12:59.240 --> 0:12:59.800 How are y'all? 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.600 I'm good. You're like the fifth person from Brooklyn we've 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.120 then this is just interviewing people. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:08.800 Yeah, now, this is just the Atlanta Interviews Brooklyn podcast 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:09.880 quite literally. 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:12.240 I mean I was thinking going into this, I I 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:15.319 think it's funny to be on a podcast about transness 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.480 in the South, given that I just moved to New 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.160 York two months ago, you know where, from Austin, Texas, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:22.199 and I'm from Campil, Florida. 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.920 So you've got you're a person of Southern experience. 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:28.360 Yeah, I had shared trauma. 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:33.600 Yeah yeah, I mean in like the show description it 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:36.760 says that, like you know all that, but since I 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:40.840 joined the show, we've really like derailed what this show's 0:13:41.040 --> 0:13:43.960 supposed to be of. I single handedly of derailed like 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.840 all the like seriousness of what this show is supposed 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:50.320 to be about. So all her Twitter shooters, now, yeah, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:55.839 it is just me interviewing my Twitter followers. But yeah, 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.040 so it's it's not really like I mean, me and 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.920 Carmen do like to talk about like local stuff and 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.360 like I don't know that that kind of but I 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.200 feel like at this point like we've covered it, like 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:08.800 we I feel like there's not too much to say 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:13.560 about like harrowing religious trauma of like living in the 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.240 South and stuff like it's like we get it, you 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:18.240 get it. I need to beat you over the head 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:19.320 with uh. 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.000 That's the stuff that gets the grants and the sponsorships. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:27.080 True. Actually, actually, can you cut that out and replace 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:27.560 it with me. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:34.600 Saying please, Atlanta is so bad. All these non binary 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:37.040 baristas are so mean to me and. 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.920 Made no one, no one has any rights, help us, No, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:46.760 I got too many rights anyway, Hylas, how are you doing? 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.200 How are you doing. That's good. Good. Well, I've been 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:55.760 following your letterbox like almost like since I started my own. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:15:00.000 You actually put me onto a movie that I really 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.040 loved that I know you're a big fan of called 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.560 Lady Terminator. And yeah, I don't know. I just I 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.280 wanted to talk to you about like movies, tran stuff. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.360 I don't know, we keep it kind of loose around here. 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:16.520 Do you want to maybe introduce our audience to what 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:16.920 you do? 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.640 Sure, I do a lot of different things. My day 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.960 job is I work at the American Genre Film Archive, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.920 which in and of itself does a lot of things. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:30.320 We have a physical film archive collection of about three thousand, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.760 thirty five milimeter film prints. We restore films, We release 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:38.040 films on home video on Blu Ray, and we also 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.480 distribute films that we own and also that other home 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.360 video labels have the rights for. So if you go 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.760 to see say Donnie Darko and a movie theater that 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.680 comes from us, if you go to see just about 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.640 any old horror movie in a theater, you'd probably. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.680 Even the plaza. Yeah, I was gonna ask have you 0:15:56.720 --> 0:15:59.360 been to Atlanta before? I have? 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:02.360 I mean, growing up in Tampa, I was in Tampa 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:03.920 and to I was I think like twenty six. 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:05.200 I'm so sorry. 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.440 I'd always I know I'm saying, I always have to 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:11.880 either go to Orlando or drive all the way up 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.760 to Atlanta to like to shows or movies or not 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.440 even a Savannah. I've never been to Savannah. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:23.080 Now really for the first time. I love Savannah. It's 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:27.400 exactly like the way the movie May December like portrays it. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:31.960 Like everyone is very everyone in Savannah is very weird. 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.600 Like it's a very weird place. But it's it's cool, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.640 it's it's it's a little clear too. It is there's 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:43.240 a lot of like gay little like uh Art Savannah 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.440 College of Art and Design kids, and also night clubs 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.680 and stuff like that too. But yeah, we don't need 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.840 to talk about Yeah no, I just asked that because 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.560 in Atlanta we have the Plaza Theater, which is where 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.360 I'll go to a lot of like featured in Doctor Sleep, Yeah, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.400 featured in the film Doctor Sleep, where there's a lot 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.040 of I don't know. They do a lot of very 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.280 like cool like showings and stuff and like restorations, and 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.639 they play a lot of cool like thirty five millimeter 0:17:08.760 --> 0:17:09.359 prints of stuff. 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.920 They played Dracula last year visit. I was fucking what's 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:19.720 not brom Stoker, Francis Ford Copola. Francis Ford showed up too, Yeah, 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.600 brom the Stoker showed up. 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.239 Francis Bord Coppola is kind of doing that thing that 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.840 like Kanye did where he like it's just like taking 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:33.840 up a residency like in Atlanta, like filming his new movie. Literally, No, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.159 I actually I actually know someone who's like working on 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:41.000 that movie. And uh, they said there was someone that 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.840 like got like hit by like a car or something, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:45.879 and like they filming in Georgia. 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:48.520 I don't know, they like really like fucted her over, 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:49.600 like really badly. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.480 I don't know. I don't know enough about it to 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.679 like go on like a full tangent about it. But 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:55.680 did he shot? 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.080 You're saying, fran you wait, hold on, what's that you said? 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:59.800 Francis Ford Coppola shot somebody? 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:03.040 She was driving the car. 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:11.640 Yeah. Yeah, they're making a movie about Caitlyn Jenner. They're 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:15.720 making speed Racer with Caitlyn Jenner. I'll get you there 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.760 in a jiffy, kid. Yeah, herb be fully loaded. Oh 0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.200 my god, Kaitlyn Jenner just derailed. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:23.879 I mean if you want to see the best Kaitlyn 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.760 Jenner thing. I would just say, watch Can't Stop the Music, 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:31.119 which is the Village People biopic, which trandition. She is 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.600 the co star, she is the male. She is the 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.280 male like romantic like lead of the movie. She's the 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:38.280 Village People's lawyer. 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.520 Oh my god, that is so fucking cool. Watch that. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:44.840 Thank yeah, I do have to watch this. Thank you 0:18:44.840 --> 0:18:47.919 for putting us onto this awesome. We talked about we 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.640 bring up Caitlyn a lot on the show. I think 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:54.040 I think every trans podcaster just always has Caitlyn on 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:54.440 the brain. 0:18:55.119 --> 0:19:01.440 I just want to say about Can't Step the Music. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.080 I mean, you think of the Village People, they're gay icons. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.040 What is the Village People movie is gonna be like, 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.520 it's gonna be them hanging out. It's gonna be fun. Yeah, 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:12.280 it's actually about the straight people who created the Village People. 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.639 So it's kind of like the Bohemian Rhapsody movie. 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:20.040 It very much is, yeah, because the guy who produced 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.480 it was like, I'm gay, but we cannot make a 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.480 twenty million dollar gay movie. So we have to make 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:27.840 to sell the Village People just like straight America. So 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.680 we have to turn them into like friends to children. 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.160 So they try to so that that movie. They're trying 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.320 to like present the village people in the most like 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:38.480 hetero way they can. They try to make them straight. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:42.159 They all have girlfriends, the leather daddy, yeah yeah, but 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:47.520 they all have such straight jobs firemen like cop. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:50.920 So the first half of the movie it's them trying 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:52.240 so hard to be straight. And then when the village 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.919 people all get in the same room together and they 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:56.200 are finally the village people, it just becomes the gayest 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:59.919 fucking movie ever made. The YMC A musical number will 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:01.879 shot at a y m c A and it is 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:06.640 this like celebration of masculinity, Like they're trying to roticize 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.280 Caitlin Jenner, like doing like exercises in swimming and diving 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:13.840 and playing basketball and short shorts. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:17.120 And that's so cool. Got to watch that. Yeah, we're 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:18.160 adding that to the list. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.679 I mean, this is a big day for beauty translated 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.880 because we talk about movies a lot on the podcast 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:25.760 in general. So to have somebody who's a queer film historian, 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:28.760 big day for us, big day for us. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:34.040 Here, Yeah for sure. Shit, Uh, is there is there 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:35.959 anything you guys are like working on now to like 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:40.960 restore or anything, like I don't know, like what's what's 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:42.800 kind of what's kind of going on in your world 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.719 in the world of queer film restorations and stuff. 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.639 Well, we have something that we just acquired fairly recently 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.680 that I can't really talk about, but it is a 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:55.280 very exciting trans movie from the seventies that I'm excited to. 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:57.640 Okay, get back out one. 0:20:57.960 --> 0:21:02.120 Of course, I wish it was my reckin Ridge. 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.040 But I remember a long time ago we like I 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:09.240 mentioned something about how like I don't know, we've talked 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.600 about like like like representation and movies and stuff like that, 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.639 and I remember bringing up like how if you're willing 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.439 to just like look a little bit, like there's so 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.760 much like I don't know, there's just so many movies 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.119 like from like throughout the world, Like if you're just 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.240 willing to like look for it, like there's so much 0:21:30.240 --> 0:21:32.840 good stuff out there, Like there's so like I don't know, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.439 like there's probably people like like there's probably young people 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.000 that like get online and talk about like I want 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.800 to see like trans representation and movies and stuff, and 0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:42.760 like I get that, but it's like, how have you 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.239 not like watched like Funeral Parade of Roses, you know, like, like, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.119 how have you not like heard about like in a 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:50.200 year with thirteen moons or like like. 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.000 I mean, I think it's a combination the things. I 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:53.520 think part of it is just that this stuff is 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:57.240 not readily available. When I first saw a Funeral Parade 0:21:57.240 --> 0:22:03.000 of Roses and twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, it 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:04.560 was a very hard film to see in the US. 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.000 It had never been released on home video here. It 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.639 wasn't until it was restored and then like re released 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.320 theatrically and then put out on Blu Ray and then 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:15.560 on streaming that it has become this like canonical queer 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.080 film for sure, even like something like Paris Is Burning. 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.720 That's a film that was like on Netflix for a 0:22:22.720 --> 0:22:24.399 while when I was first coming out like as a 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:27.160 gay guy, like a decade ago, and it was easy 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.160 to see, and then it got taken off a Netflix 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:30.639 and then DVD was out of print, so it was 0:22:30.640 --> 0:22:34.080 impossible to see that unless you had a DVD or 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.919 a VHS or whatever. Yeah, So a lot of it 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.240 has to do with access, And I mean, I think 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:41.800 one of the things that drives all the work I 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.240 do is that I truly think that people want to 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.920 see this stuff. It's just they do help for sure 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:47.640 finding it. 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:52.119 Yeah. Yeah, And I do, like I don't want to 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:55.439 say that, like, like I don't know, I have like 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.280 mixed feelings on like the term like representation, because like 0:22:58.400 --> 0:23:01.440 I feel like it's not you know, the end all 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:05.240 be all of like liberation, you know, like like it's 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:08.800 not the same thing. But I do think I think 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:12.000 we talked about this recently, how like it is like important, 0:23:12.040 --> 0:23:14.520 you know, like it is like I do think, like 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.879 especially fucking Americans, like with how like much we like 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.200 identify with like art and like the content we consume, 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:25.560 Like it is like helpful in like empathizing with like 0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:28.480 experiences that you're like unfamiliar with. 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:33.040 I think, especially with trans I think with trans people especially, 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:36.840 I think there is a power to seeing that people 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:39.640 like us existed seventy years ago or eighty years ago 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.000 or however many years ago. Yeah, and to see and 0:23:42.040 --> 0:23:46.840 to see that, I mean, you know, I guess something 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.879 that I kind of struggle with sometimes is like this 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.320 idea that trans people are brand new or why why 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.479 are trans people suddenly in the news when you know 0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:58.439 there were mainstream Hollywood movies about trans people from the 0:23:58.440 --> 0:24:01.040 seventies eighty yeah. 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.040 Yeah, even before that, Like that's the movie that what's 0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:09.240 his name? Uh? G I the g I like God, 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:11.000 the Christine Story. 0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:18.359 Yes, sorry, yes, Glenda, Yes, who was the guy he 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:19.600 made fit planet? 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:20.080 Edward? 0:24:20.480 --> 0:24:21.120 Yeah? God? 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:26.560 Yeah, yeah, hero famous crossy you know yeah. 0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:27.000 Yeah. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:28.680 One of my favorite one of my favorite things I 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:33.000 discovered last year is I was I've spent a lot 0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.199 of time going through like old cross dressing and like 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.040 trans magazines and newsletters and stuff like that, and like 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.040 when I started getting into that a few years ago, 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:41.320 like I always had in the back of my mind, 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.080 like I wonder if I'll ever find Edwood in one 0:24:43.080 --> 0:24:46.359 of these And I finally did under his under his 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.399 cross dresser named Shirley, including like a letter that he 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:51.919 wrote to the editor talking about how he loved being 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:53.840 a cross dresser and how he felt at ease and 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:55.280 like all these things. 0:24:55.080 --> 0:25:02.520 That's that's iconic. Yeah, I I think like a lot 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.240 of like this is something that really like bothers me 0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:07.919 a lot about, like especially a lot of like newer 0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.480 kind of like trans movies and stuff is like how 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:13.120 I don't know like a lot of the times when 0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:16.760 like people like want to make a trans movie, it's 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:21.280 like or queer movies too. We're just kind of like 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:22.959 now getting to the point where we can just have 0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:27.400 like normal like queer relationships and shit like in movies. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.320 But I think I think trans movies, like at least 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.560 in America, are still like set back a little bit 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:37.760 because like everything is just like this like depressing, like pornographic, 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:42.040 like trauma like movie. Like I like, I don't know, 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:44.720 I don't want to watch boys don't cry, Like, yeah 0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.000 I would. I would rather watch a movie about like 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.399 like this is why someone like Fastbender like means a 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.120 lot to me, because all of his movies, like they're 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:57.359 not really about like the queer experience. They're more just 0:25:57.480 --> 0:26:02.720 like queer characters that are with like melodramatic scenarios that 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.960 like you could apply to pretty much anyone's life. 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:12.000 And I one speak for yourself. My life is pornographic, depressing. 0:26:11.600 --> 0:26:16.720 And yeah that's true, true, But that's maybe why I 0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:18.640 don't want to see that I cry. 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:20.879 Like looking in the mirror every day, Jane, what are 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:24.080 you talking about? I just I would rather like watch 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:28.159 I don't know, I would rather watch like like Funeral 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.520 Parade of Roses is about like so much more than 0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:34.960 just like this trans woman who had a horrible life 0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:37.920 and then was beaten to death. Like I hate movies 0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:40.879 like that. Like that is just so like I don't know, 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:43.960 like I just I never like find myself like wanting 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:46.840 to like seek out something like that. And I feel 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.080 like that is like I don't know, I feel like 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:53.640 that's just like a very uncreative way for like filmmakers 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.720 to be, Like this is how people will empathize with 0:26:56.840 --> 0:27:00.080 these people that are weird. Like it's like if they 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.600 are threatened with violence, then the audience will be like, 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:06.880 oh no, don't kill that very feminine looking man. 0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.480 Yeah. I mean I think the thing like that that 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.840 like really bugs me about a lot of new trans movies. 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.960 And I guess this kind of extends somewhat to like 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:18.679 new or queer movies too, is that so many of 0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.920 them they're not actually about the transperson. They're about the 0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:26.280 person reacting to the trans person movie Mutt about the 0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:29.440 trans guy. And I think Brooklyn. 0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:30.600 And it's not about him. 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.560 It's not about him or his transition or his you know, 0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.240 his life. It's about him coming in contact with his 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.159 ex and his like father and like all these other people, 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.880 and it's about like them struggling to reconcile with him. 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:44.760 It's not about him, it's about them, And I hate that. 0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:47.359 Yeah, well, how do we feel about Monica? That's like 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.280 a newer trans film that kind. 0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:55.399 Of I haven't I haven't seen it. That movie got me. 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:57.880 I really do love to it a lot. That kind 0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.960 of reminds me. I liked this movie, but that was 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.840 also kind of like A Fantastic Woman a little bit 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.560 where like it's more. But I don't know. I liked 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.879 that movie because, like I liked seeing like the way that, 0:28:11.000 --> 0:28:13.919 like as a trans person, like a lot of like 0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:17.600 normal things in life that everyone has to deal with, 0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.600 like can be more difficult like as a trans person, 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.359 like her lover dies and then she's like has to 0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.359 deal with like all the kind of like bureaucratic like 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:29.879 processes of like you know, like inheriting his will and 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:31.800 like dealing with his family and stuff like that. And 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.720 it's something I think that story is interesting because it's 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.760 something that like in a straight relationship and like a normal, 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:42.160 normal quote unquote relationship, it would be a fairly like 0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:47.840 routine kind of experience. So I guess there is stuff 0:28:47.880 --> 0:28:49.640 like that that I find, I find valuable. 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:53.320 If you look at movies, I think your your perception 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:54.960 of trans people is that all they do is stare 0:28:55.000 --> 0:29:01.640 in the mirror and like softly caress fabricks. Yeah it's 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.680 not I have to wake up at six am to 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.000 go to the DMV to try to get my license changed, 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.160 or I have to do electrolysis, or I have to 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:09.120 do laser or. 0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.040 Yeah, yeah, I know. I think stuff like that is 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:15.760 pretty interesting because that is something that like, uh yeah, 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:18.440 that like that that's a side of like the trans 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:22.800 experience that like this people like probably wouldn't be incredibly 0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:26.160 aware of. And yeah, I don't know. I think I 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:28.600 think it's like like I said, like it's like it's 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:33.320 just uncreative to like paint. The trans experience has this 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:39.720 like just really like traumatic, Like I mean, it is 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.280 like traumatic in many ways, but like I feel like 0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.320 there's just so much more to it than just like 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.640 I'm gonna get murdered for being trans. Like yeah, I mean, 0:29:48.680 --> 0:29:51.000 sure that's a thing, but like I feel like there's 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:52.360 more we can talk about it. 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.640 It's overdone. It's like there's enough there's enough film and 0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:57.320 content about that at this point. Like I think the 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.760 movie like for example, Soldiers Carl is a very important movie. 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.560 It is depressing, it is traumatizing, it is horrible, but 0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.280 I think it's a very important movie because it tells a. 0:30:05.280 --> 0:30:08.440 Real who's the guy in that he looks lee pace, Yeah, 0:30:09.520 --> 0:30:11.760 says Calipoernia Adams. Yeah. Yeah. 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.880 And it's just to me, like that's an important movie 0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:16.760 because it's a real story. But yeah, it's like traumatizing. 0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.560 But to an extent, when do we start seeing things 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.440 that are more just normal and like uplifting. 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.280 You see, like in the early two thousands, you could 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.240 have like the L word and like queer as folk 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:39.920 and like just stuff that's like are a normal kind 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:43.040 of like mellow drama but with gay people. Yeah, and 0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:44.640 now it's at the point where like you can have 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:47.840 like I mean, I can't there's so many horror movies 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.160 where it's like it happens to be a gay couple 0:30:50.320 --> 0:30:54.760 and it's like it's not like really related to the plot. 0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:57.600 It's just they happen to be gay because being gay 0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:01.120 is a normal part of life, and that's kind of 0:31:01.280 --> 0:31:04.239 I don't know, that's kind of what I want to 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:06.959 see out of like trans Like that's where like I 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:10.240 would like to inevitably end up where we have trans 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.600 characters that just are trans and it has nothing really 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.400 to do with the stories, just they're trands because people 0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:19.720 in real life are trans, you know what I mean? Like, 0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.480 what's her name? From alien? Would like to have a word? 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:28.600 Yeah, well, I guess there was that like, uh like 0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:32.160 trans mask and on Evil Dead Rise. I thought that 0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.400 was pretty interesting. But you'll know I'm talking about an alien, right, 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:39.960 there's that like seeing an alien the like it's very 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.240 very brief where they look at one of the women, 0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.200 like and it says that she's female transsexual, and like. 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.040 Yeah, I do, I do know what you mean. Yeah, 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:52.920 she's just never mentioned normal Normalize it, you know, right right, 0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:54.240 normalize the aliens? 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:54.800 Yeah? 0:31:55.360 --> 0:32:01.320 Yeah, but what do we get our guest thoughts on that. 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.520 Let's see what let's have to say about it? 0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.360 Yeah, I mean I guess of two minds about it, 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.760 like one, Yes, I'd love to see it more normalized. 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.560 I'd love to see more kinds of storylines and films. 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:17.920 I would love to see more messy trans characters. Yeah, perfect, 0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.640 pretty little angels I'd love to see a trans woman 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:26.080 in a movie for once. Yeah, But at the same time, 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:30.120 I do think there is some power to seeing, you know, 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:34.160 those kinds of basic stories on screen. You know, I've 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.640 seen a lot of movies about transition. There's I Want 0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:42.080 What I Want from the early seventies. There's Cambiota Sexo, 0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:45.560 which is a Spanish movie from the late seventies. There's 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.560 a TV movie called Second Serve, which is about Une Richards. 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:50.560 Second Serve. 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:54.440 Yeah, Oh I love Second Yes Serve. It's about the 0:32:54.440 --> 0:32:56.160 tennis player, tennis player. 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:59.640 Yeah, tennis player Renee Richards played Vanessa Redgrave. So like 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.280 I'm going back to like the idea that like trans 0:33:02.280 --> 0:33:03.640 people were this new thing. It's like, no, this was 0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.000 a TV movie from the late seventies, Like millions of 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:07.720 people saw this. It was a normal thing. 0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.400 But then it's almost like it becomes both sensationalized by 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:13.840 like current modern day media, and then it also becomes 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:19.280 commodified in the sense of like, here's this trans character 0:33:19.320 --> 0:33:21.480 that we're selling you as like a product for you 0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:24.480 to buy. I feel like a lot of Disney and 0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.000 like Marvel and shit like that, Like those nods often 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.440 ring hollow because it's like, Okay, you just want me 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.120 to go see this fucking movie, so you put a 0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:33.120 trans character in it. 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:33.640 Yeah. 0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:35.239 I think that's the thing for me is I want 0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.600 there to be substance for the characters. I want them 0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:39.520 to have something to do and not just kind of 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:40.120 be there. 0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:43.480 I mean, I know people that went and saw the 0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:46.000 New Hunger Games because Hunter Schaeffer wasn't and they'd never 0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.800 seen The Hunger Games before, and I I get it. 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.280 I probably would watch it too. Yeah, but I don't know. 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.120 I guess like I'm not really entirely immune to that either. 0:33:57.560 --> 0:33:59.720 I feel like we're also kind of like dancing around 0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:04.080 the whole like evil trans woman archetype, which is something 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.880 that's kind of like horseshoed back to me to being 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:08.040 really fun. 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:10.919 Well. 0:34:10.960 --> 0:34:13.800 I mean, that is a series that I've been trying 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.520 to that I've been kind of working through mentally over 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:18.319 the past couple of months that I want to find 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:22.520 a venue to do sometime this year. Call it trans Panic, 0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:26.480 and it's five, six, seven, eight. Trans horror movies from 0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:30.640 the seventies, eighties, nineties, Dressed to Kill, Dressed to Kill, 0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:33.560 sleep Away Camp, Homicidal from the sixties, which I love. 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.360 Look this up Fatal Games, which is about trans people 0:34:38.360 --> 0:34:40.760 in sports from the eighties at the slasher movie. 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:45.240 Oh my god, I think of anything more horrifying. Wow. 0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:47.239 And of course Dressed to Kill is like the most 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:50.880 famous one. Of course, that's the well Psycho or Sounds 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:54.399 of the Lambs probably, well, yeah, Psycho too. You talked 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:55.839 about Sounds of the Lambs a long time. 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.360 Well, the funny the funny thing about Sounds of the 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.400 Lambs and Dressed to Kill both of them is that 0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:04.279 both of them were controversial in their first release. But 0:35:04.520 --> 0:35:07.840 the controversy wasn't about the killer trans women in them. 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:11.799 The controversy was these movies are endorsing violence against women 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.080 because because the killer trans woman in Dressed to Kill 0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:22.080 kills Angie Dickinson. Right, Yeah, that means this is a 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:26.080 movie that is like eroticizing violence against women. Our sanso 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:27.840 Lamb is like, this is a serial killer who is 0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:32.719 targeting women, and it is supporting violence against women. It's not, 0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.040 you know, it's not this is bad representation, this is 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:37.640 you know, going to be hurting people. It's no, this 0:35:37.680 --> 0:35:38.680 is violence against women. 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:44.080 That's interesting to me for two reasons because one, like 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:49.440 I mean, isn't like horror as a genre like killing 0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:53.440 women is. It's bread and butter, right, we love our 0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:57.600 screen queens. And Two, like I've always I've always thought 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:03.319 about this with the movie Cruising, like it was controversial 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.120 at the time because like I mean, correct me if 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:09.000 I'm wrong, but like it was controversial because right wing 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.640 people like just didn't want a gay movie, and then 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.919 like gay people were like, this is a horrible representation 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:20.719 of our culture. And I don't know, I just feel like, 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.320 at least with like Cruising, like that one's really interesting 0:36:23.320 --> 0:36:24.880 to me because I don't know, I don't feel like 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:27.600 a movie like that would be I don't know, I 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.160 don't think that would be so controversial now, like from 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.200 like anyone. Really it might be. 0:36:32.120 --> 0:36:34.279 Though, because there's a lot of the gin I hit 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.960 to be gen z I hate to calms, you know 0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:41.280 how they're all against people cruising and having sex in public. 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:47.120 That's why it would be against cruising. 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:54.759 That's two things. One, I'm still waiting for someone to 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.920 make the transversion of cruising where Alpacino has to get 0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:05.239 on hormones. There's a killer trans woman who was on 0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:09.799 the street to New York targeting cisman. He likes to 0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.720 get on hormones and go undercover, join in with the dolls. 0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.240 Winds up in a teaper tea couple with the killer. 0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.200 Before the sergeant can even like finish describing the case, 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:22.839 he's like, I'll get my dress. 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:27.960 I've got him the closet already. Maybe maybe start with 0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.080 some surveillance or summer. He's like already putting on makeup. 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:31.480 Like what. 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:38.240 I'm talking. He's like looking up like voice training videos, 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:40.680 heat from fire, fire from heats. 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:41.399 It's like. 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:43.600 To use. 0:37:45.080 --> 0:37:47.000 Like we caught the killer weeks ago. 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.640 It's like, I will give that movie to someone to make. 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.800 Please make that movie. I think that movie would be incredible. 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:58.200 Yeah, that movie sounds fucking awesome. I would love that. 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.800 But yeah, this is something that I was researching pretty heavily. 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:05.000 Last year. I did this series at the Almo in 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:09.600 Austin called Village of the Damned. The album a draft 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:11.879 house and it was called it's Village of the Damned. 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.080 And it's to bring all this full circle. It's the 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:18.080 four New York queer movies from nineteen eighty. There's Can't 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.480 Stop the Music, which is a village people movie. Yeah, 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.280 there's Dressed to Kill, which is a killer trans woman movie. 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:27.920 There's Cruising, which is the killer gay movie. And there's Windows, 0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.680 which is a movie about this insane lesbian who has 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.640 her best friend raped so that she try to get 0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:36.480 her best friend of fall in love with her. 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:43.360 Oh my forever. Yeah. 0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.160 So the same year you have a killer gay movie, 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.720 a killer lesbian movie, killer trans movie, and the greatest 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:52.239 queer horror film of them all, the Village People straight Wow. 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.480 And it's interesting that, like all those movies were controversial 0:38:55.520 --> 0:38:58.200 in different ways. Gay people hated Can't Stop the Music 0:38:58.239 --> 0:39:01.040 because they thought it was trying to straight. 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.360 Wash the Village People, which it was. It was absolutely. 0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.760 Uh. Lesbian hated Windows because it was a movie about 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:12.239 insane lesbian who is, you know, paying someone to rape 0:39:12.239 --> 0:39:14.640 her friend so that she can get her in her arms. 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.560 Gay people hated Cruising for a couple of different reasons. 0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.239 Like I think a lot of younger people look back 0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.040 at the protests for Cruising and they're like, oh, they're 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:25.680 so wrong, their sex negative or whatever it was. It 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:27.120 was a couple of things. There were there were gay 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:31.399 serial killers targeting gay men in New York at the time. 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.680 The Highway right, Like. 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.160 There's the freeway Killers. There's a Doodler in San Francisco. 0:39:36.160 --> 0:39:37.800 There's a couple of different gay serial killers. 0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:39.239 I'm sorry, and the Doodler. 0:39:39.960 --> 0:39:41.840 The Doodler. This guy is called the Doodler because in 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:44.360 San Francisco he would be hanging out at gay bars 0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.520 and he would offer to like draw a portrait, like 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:48.840 let me let me draw you. I think you're handsome looking, 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.600 let me draw you. Here's the sketch. Now let's go 0:39:51.680 --> 0:39:52.800 over to the beach or whatever. 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.480 And then I mean it's just most serial killers get 0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.440 a name, like the Ripper, the. 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:08.480 Freeway Killer, the Doodler, sights than like the dude. Yeah, 0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:11.400 that's all of these came out in nineteen eighty. 0:40:11.600 --> 0:40:13.520 They all came out in nineteen eighty, which is insane. 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:15.719 That's interesting. 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:19.480 But I think to an extent, the gay community had 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:23.320 a point with the cruising stuff because this was coming 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.080 right after Anita Bryant, this was coming right after the 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:30.840 murder of Harvey Milk. Gay people were increasingly becoming the 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:34.200 targets of gay bashing, and to have this movie which 0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:38.040 they thought would portray them in a bad light. And 0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.120 I should say I've seen like an early draft of 0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.960 the screenplay for Cruising, and it's so much worse. Like, really, 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.759 the protests made it a better movie because they had 0:40:46.760 --> 0:40:48.839 to go back and rewrite some of this stuff, and 0:40:48.880 --> 0:40:50.320 it made it a much better movie. 0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.239 I've seen Cruising a lot. They actually played it at 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.840 Plaza like a few years ago, and I like dressed 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.640 up in like leather year like to go watch it. 0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:01.560 And I remember they like did like a thing at 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:04.040 the beginning, and the girl was like, who here has 0:41:04.080 --> 0:41:06.359 seen this movie before? I was like the only one 0:41:06.360 --> 0:41:10.400 that raised my hand like in like a leather like suit. 0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:15.239 I'm like, oh, this was a bit unnecessary. I'm kind 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.040 of unnecessarily sticking out here, but everyone else is in 0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:18.840 there at leisure. 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:19.359 Like. 0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:20.920 Yeah. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.120 I showed it a few years ago in Austin and 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:25.840 it was the only time I've ever seen someone in 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:27.600 a leather jock strap at a movie theater. 0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:32.600 Oh yow, yes, we would get along, hold on the 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:33.560 fucking seat. 0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:40.360 Just yeah. More thinking about Cruising real quick, like every 0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:44.200 time I've watched that movie, Like, I mean, I didn't 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.520 know that about like the like rewrites and stuff, because 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.239 like it always strikes me that that's like one of 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.759 the most anti cop movies like I've ever seen like. 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:54.279 It people didn't care at the time. 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:58.360 Yeah, yeah, like it is a seriously like uh, I 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.920 don't know, it's such an indictment of the police force 0:42:01.000 --> 0:42:04.880 and like the way that they will like use like 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:08.080 minorities and just like step on them and I don't know, 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:12.440 I just I I find that interesting because like I 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:14.480 didn't know that about like the rewrites and stuff, but 0:42:14.520 --> 0:42:16.279 like it always like struck out to me, like how 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.000 are people like protesting this? This is so just like 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.360 I don't know, this is like my thoughts on the 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:24.120 police force, like horrible, Like yeah, I don't know. 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:26.400 If you want to see the bad version of Cruising, 0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:28.840 it's this movie I showed a few weeks ago in 0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.600 New York called Partners from nineteen eighty two, and it's 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.880 the creators of Lakaje All Fall, which was remade in 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:37.880 the US. It's the bird Cage. It's the creators of 0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:41.800 that saying what if? What if Cruising was a comedy? 0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.600 It's about this. It's about this like macho straight cop 0:42:46.600 --> 0:42:50.520 who has to be with night Rhin O'Neil as the 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.239 like macho straight cop who's partnered with John Hurt, who 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:57.160 is like this mousey, asexual gay cop and as a couple, 0:42:58.120 --> 0:42:58.680 and it's. 0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.440 It's it's it's a rush hour, but with a straight 0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.920 guy and a gay guy. I love that. 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:06.759 I think I might have seen I feel like I've 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:08.680 seen clips from this or something. 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:11.960 I would recommend anyone listening to this watched the trailer 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.600 because I think the trailer is like a perfect, like 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:17.080 horrible piece of art because it's like three minutes long. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.040 It's three minutes long. It opens with a card saying 0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.040 this trailer has been a proof for all audiences, and 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.600 then within thirty seconds, Ryan O'Neill is calling someone a faggot. 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:32.080 Yeah. Ryan O'Neill is very hot too. 0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.400 He just looks uncomfortable and miserable the entire movie, And 0:43:35.719 --> 0:43:37.520 that's why we showed it a few weeks ago. It 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:41.120 was like my edge, lordy, like Ryan O'Neill memorial screening 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.640 to mourn his death. 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:48.160 He died recently. I didn't even know that. Oh I 0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:51.640 love Paperman. That's like, yeah, amazing movie. 0:43:52.600 --> 0:43:56.560 He was a great actor, a beautiful man, a terrible person. Okay, 0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.840 so that's why we celebrated with partners. Yeah, more or 0:43:59.840 --> 0:44:00.960 more and him with partners. 0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:05.600 M huh, something you'd probably rather erase from his CEO. 0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:15.960 Well, something I was going to ask you too, was 0:44:16.080 --> 0:44:17.600 I mean, well, just I guess you were kind of 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.080 well we've moved past it already, but I was just 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:21.800 going to talk about how, like the whole gay liberation 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:26.240 movement pretty much depended on, or at the time, depended 0:44:26.320 --> 0:44:29.600 on like gay people appearing as like normal and like 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:34.440 cis hetero normative as possible. So yeah, I can totally 0:44:34.480 --> 0:44:37.280 see why people were like up in arms about cruising 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:39.759 and like you said, I need a Bryant. That's why 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.120 cruising is cool. Yeah, Like I don't know, it's like 0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.040 it's like edgy. Like now I'm confused though, how did 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:47.960 it get an edit? 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:49.600 Before? 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.640 So people were aware of this film being made and 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:57.439 they demanded like so this is like pre social media. 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.959 That's where I'm thinking, like movies like Sonic and Shit 0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:03.200 Today can get remade. I'm interested to know more about 0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:05.120 that story, Like what do you know about that? 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.239 Yeah, there is a man named Arthur Bell who was 0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.759 a journalist at the Village Voice, and he was the 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.160 one who was basically leading the protests for this and 0:45:14.200 --> 0:45:17.400 someone leaked him an early draft of the script, and 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.839 he read it and like went to the Village Voice, 0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.960 into the Advocate and all these other publications and like 0:45:23.000 --> 0:45:25.759 wrote these pieces saying like, I have read this early 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:27.160 draft of the script, this is going to be the 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:28.879 most homophobic movie ever made. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:29.840 Wow. 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:32.040 And he had a point. 0:45:32.160 --> 0:45:35.640 Yeah, I mean the most homophobic movie ever made. I 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:38.399 feel like that's going to be a hard feat to accomplish. Yeah, 0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:40.680 that's a big shoot a film. 0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:42.520 I will I will say, Carmen, going off with what 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:45.040 you're saying. Something I love about gay liberation stuff from 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:46.959 the seventies is that they were so desperate to show 0:45:46.960 --> 0:45:49.560 that being gay was like a natural, normal thing that 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.040 if you watch a lot of gay documentaries from the seventies, 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:54.400 they will interview people like out in nature to be like, no, 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.640 this is this is natural. This person is like sitting 0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.160 by a lake, they're in a park like this, this 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:01.480 is normal and natural. 0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:05.200 And that trickled down to plant in Today. We have 0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:09.160 plant gays and fucking hiking gays and it's okay, you 0:46:09.200 --> 0:46:12.319 can just be in the house gay, okay. Ari I 0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:16.479 co op Yeah, the ARII co op gaze. You know, Wow, 0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.120 that is funny. And that's like a little bit of 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:22.040 like subliminal messaging in a production there for you. 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.200 Yeah, there's this really great documentary from nineteen seventy seven 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.600 called Word is Out, and the whole the whole thing 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.799 with that movie is that they interviewed twenty six gay 0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:34.080 men and lesbians and it's just bysically them talking for 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.640 two and a half hours telling you their stories. And 0:46:37.360 --> 0:46:39.239 in the woods there's there is one person who's like 0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.600 interviewed by a lake. There's someone else who's like in 0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:43.560 a park. There's all these people and like some of 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:45.319 them are indoors and some of them are outdoors, and 0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:47.000 they're trying to show that like this is a natural, 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:47.600 normal thing. 0:46:48.160 --> 0:46:48.879 That's so cool. 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:50.840 That's you know how they should say, you know how 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:52.719 they should interview us. I should put us in like 0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:57.239 a test tube and like a lab and like I 0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.359 like have like twenty six trans women and has been 0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.480 interviewed and like the most like clinical looking we could 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:05.280 be like we're not natural, we're. 0:47:05.160 --> 0:47:08.920 Free, yeah, or or they make it like look like 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.400 it's just like a normal like house or something, and 0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.799 then at the end it like pulls out and you 0:47:13.880 --> 0:47:18.839 see like we're in like this like an invader type 0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.400 of thing. It pulls behind you can see like and 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.439 the transsexuals were safely behind this one way mirror being 0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:28.600 interviewed through the power of technology. None of the straight 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:31.080 people had to be around them. I mean the. 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.120 Version of that is like when you see like trans 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.360 girls on Twitter whose rooms are just like fucking filthy. 0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:40.160 I'm just imagined. Yeah. The positive representation is to have 0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:41.239 like a nice clean room. 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:47.200 Absolutely. Yeah. I mean my room's not looking too good. 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:47.400 Right. 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:52.000 You didn't turn on the sign either, I didn't. I fuck, 0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.239 You're right for the listeners, I normally do have a 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.680 little neon bar sign behind me, and that's how she 0:47:58.880 --> 0:48:02.640 signifies that she is on air. Yeah, that's that's how 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:04.640 my that's how you know my brain isn't working to 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:07.759 that she's not locked in the bar sign is not 0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:12.240 turned on. Liz, have you seen the movie What Gender 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.200 Am I? From like nineteen eighty or something like that. 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:15.960 This sounds good. 0:48:15.960 --> 0:48:18.440 It's like the documentary Sea. 0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:22.400 Yeah, Oh yes, What Sex Am I? Yeah? I remember 0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.359 I watched that on Criterion Channel a long time ago, 0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:28.359 and I thought it was pretty good. But like there's 0:48:28.440 --> 0:48:31.800 one story in that that has like always like stuck 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:35.520 out to me where this one they're like talking to 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.960 this one guy, and he's like telling a story about 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:42.680 how like uh yeah, like my my whole life, I 0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:45.080 was like cross dressing and I thought I was like 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:47.840 trans and blah blah blah, and then I went to 0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.479 like he describes like all these like hurdles he went 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:55.600 through to get like signed up for like sexual reassignment surgery, 0:48:56.000 --> 0:48:59.560 and he says like and then all of a sudden, 0:48:59.680 --> 0:49:02.040 when they about to put me under, I was like, no, 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:06.000 this isn't right. I'm a man, you can't do this 0:49:06.040 --> 0:49:06.279 to me. 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:09.080 And then it was too late, and I felt the 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.480 gas and I woke up and I didn't have a 0:49:11.480 --> 0:49:13.719 penis anymore, and now I just have to live like this. 0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:19.439 I was like, what the fuck, Like, I mean, it's 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:22.120 like it's hard for me to like have sympathy because 0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:26.560 you went through a lot to get to this point, 0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:29.319 Like at any point you could have stopped, like, at 0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:31.320 any point you could have thought about this a little 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:34.080 bit more until you're going on anesthesia. 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:38.640 Yeah, he was the first turf detrans person. 0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.400 Yeah. Yeah, he was in the New York Times. Yeah, 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.240 like the first one of those like like British women. 0:49:45.400 --> 0:49:48.480 That's like, like it says like I was coerced my 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:52.799 whole life getting my breasts removed, Like what are you 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:57.040 talking about? Like, I don't know, like that that's just 0:49:57.440 --> 0:50:01.080 I Also, I always like you can also kind of 0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:12.319 understand the visceral horror, like waking up and being like, no, oh, yeah, 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.600 that movie's cool. Well I have news for your sex 0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:17.480 change is actually scheduled for this evening. 0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:22.920 Whether you like it or. 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.279 Not, okay, depend depending on the day of the week. 0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:27.120 I'll probably be like. 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.960 All right, I mean that's all. Motivar is the skin 0:50:30.040 --> 0:50:30.480 I live in. 0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:34.480 Yeah, yeah, I know. Do you like that movie? 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:36.920 The first time I saw it, I was like very 0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.760 really into transition, and I went to see the local 0:50:39.800 --> 0:50:42.640 theater and someone was like laughing through the whole thing, 0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:44.799 and it made me feel really uncomfortable. Yeah, And then 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:46.320 like a few months later I found out it was 0:50:46.320 --> 0:50:48.719 a transcirl who was laughing, so like I was. 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.040 Like, okay, I I thought that movie was pretty funny 0:50:52.080 --> 0:50:56.040 and kind of stupid. Honestly, Like I had a lot 0:50:56.120 --> 0:51:00.000 of like straight friends recommend it to me just because 0:51:00.080 --> 0:51:04.840 they know I like movies. Well, yeah, they're like this 0:51:04.960 --> 0:51:07.120 you should watch. This is great. It's really really good. 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.600 And then I don't know, Like I remember they were saying, 0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:12.879 like it's like a really fucked up movie. And then 0:51:13.360 --> 0:51:16.960 when I realized it's basically like it's basically like a 0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:21.040 mad scientist movie, but like his mad scientist scheme is 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:26.640 to uh force feminize someone. I'm like, that's really funny, 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:29.080 Like I can't really take that too seriously. 0:51:29.400 --> 0:51:32.960 Can I recommend another movie? Yeah, a film from the 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:36.239 late sixties by the director of a Christmas Story, and 0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:40.240 it's called Bob Clark, right, Bob Clark. It's called she Man, 0:51:40.360 --> 0:51:45.520 A Story of Fixation, and it's a black and white 0:51:45.600 --> 0:51:48.800 forced them basically like erotic softcore film. 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:53.279 Whoa, this looks hot? Yeah, it's from this Oh this 0:51:53.360 --> 0:51:56.680 looks cool, dude, Bob Clark was a freak. What was 0:51:56.719 --> 0:52:00.480 that guy's do? Yeah, he loved Christmas. He made like 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:01.960 five movies about Christmas. 0:52:02.239 --> 0:52:03.880 He made genius movies. 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:08.319 He made baby geniuses. Yeah, Like Porky's is one of 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.719 like the worst movies I've ever seen. Like that that 0:52:11.040 --> 0:52:14.520 is easily like a contender for like like when people 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:16.160 ask me, like, what's the worst movie I've ever seen? 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.160 That's always one that pops into my brain. 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:21.400 I wanted to ask you about. Well, this is just 0:52:21.440 --> 0:52:23.359 a movie I personally love, but have you ever seen 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:25.680 Southern Comfort? 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:25.919 Wait? 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.399 What is it called? Yeah, Southern Comfort? 0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:31.359 Yeah, not the water able movie. 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:35.960 The documentary, a documentary. It's a really great documentary. I 0:52:36.000 --> 0:52:36.319 love it. 0:52:36.360 --> 0:52:38.160 And that's one that I would love to see back 0:52:38.200 --> 0:52:40.240 in circulation and the in the theater. 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.520 But that's neither here nor there. What is that? It's 0:52:44.520 --> 0:52:47.480 a great about bottom surgery getting comfort and you're no, 0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:51.040 it's a traumatizing, sad It's a very documentary. 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:55.400 It's about this trans man from the South who was 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.000 dying Georgia. 0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.480 Actually, oh gosh, that's awful. 0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:02.839 And no one would give him a hysterectomy to save 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:04.799 his life. Basically, no one would treat him. 0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.920 Yeah, he's like he called over twenty something doctors in 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:11.440 the state. Every one of them turned down because they 0:53:11.480 --> 0:53:13.480 didn't want to work. They don't either want a trans 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:16.400 man in their office or they didn't want to be 0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:19.960 associated at all. It's like, cool, Well that is terrifying 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.520 and depressing. But I think that that kind of falls 0:53:22.520 --> 0:53:25.800 into like I don't know what, like we're saying earlier 0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:28.840 about how like some of these stories like are important 0:53:29.000 --> 0:53:33.600 even if they're I don't know, like like it's on YouTube. 0:53:33.719 --> 0:53:37.000 I don't like watching a lot of like trends like 0:53:37.040 --> 0:53:40.200 trauma porn. But I guess I can like see like 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:42.560 it's actually really cute too, because they actually portray a 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:45.480 lot of tea for tea couples from the nineties, not 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:47.960 portray what am I talking about. They it's a documentary. 0:53:47.960 --> 0:53:50.120 They show a lot of tea for tea couples from 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.120 the nineties and just like that happening here in Atlanta 0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.440 at the time was really cool. There's a scene where 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.320 they go driving to the Southern Comfort conference in Buckhead 0:53:58.640 --> 0:54:02.840 and they drive down onto a past like the fucking 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:05.440 Linux mall. That's kind of funny. 0:54:06.000 --> 0:54:06.480 That's cool. 0:54:07.080 --> 0:54:10.799 Yeah, So it's kind of It's an incredible film. It's 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:14.960 very sad, of course, but I think things are things 0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:17.160 like that are okay because they just make you angry 0:54:17.200 --> 0:54:19.239 and they want you to they want they make you 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:23.320 want things to change, and I think that's powerful. Another 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:26.520 thing I would recommend is a documentary called Transsexual Menace 0:54:26.760 --> 0:54:31.600 by one of my favorite filmmakers. 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.360 About the group. 0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:34.480 Right so it's technically about the group, but it's basically 0:54:34.560 --> 0:54:36.480 using the group as like a jumping off point to 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:40.400 explore you know, transnis in America in the nineties basically, 0:54:41.040 --> 0:54:44.120 and a couple of the people from Southern Comfort are 0:54:44.160 --> 0:54:47.759 in Transsexual Menace. And there's there's a section at the 0:54:47.800 --> 0:54:50.240 beginning of the film which is basically about the Southern 0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:51.160 Comfort Conference. 0:54:52.320 --> 0:54:55.960 Yeah, yeah, which was I mean, I've had this on 0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.840 my watch was for like a long in the movie. 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:05.000 That's hilarious. What nineties fucking trans movie? Was RuPaul not 0:55:06.560 --> 0:55:07.239 yeah for real? 0:55:07.400 --> 0:55:14.919 Forcing her way into have you seen Dressed in Blue? Yeah? 0:55:15.000 --> 0:55:17.680 Dressed in Blue is awesome? Went to it. Yeah, we 0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:19.760 went to a showing of it. There was a wasp 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:20.320 in the theater. 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:22.680 Oh my god, it was I was so scared the 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:27.960 whole time. I was terrible. It was scarier than what 0:55:28.120 --> 0:55:28.880 was on the screen. 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:29.600 My god. 0:55:30.800 --> 0:55:32.520 Okay, I did have to look away during the breast 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:35.200 and plant scene because I was not Oh yeah. 0:55:35.040 --> 0:55:36.960 They got in there. They got in there for real. 0:55:37.160 --> 0:55:40.279 I was not ready for a full on surgery, like 0:55:40.440 --> 0:55:43.000 just out just like a surgery shot. 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:46.120 There's also I've mentioned this this movie on the show 0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:48.440 a lot because a lot of it's in Atlanta, but 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:51.880 Cocomo City is kind of a I don't know, it's 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:55.319 kind of an interesting kind of like sister movie to 0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.759 to Dressed in Blue, because it's like they're both kind 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:01.600 of like trans hangout document memories, you know, like they're 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:05.160 very like and I think I like that a lot 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:08.799 more like I feel like it's less dramatic, like there's 0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.680 less to kind of like hang on too, but it's 0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.360 like really nice, just like I don't know, it's just 0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:17.239 nice seeing girls talking like I don't know, it's it's 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:21.280 nice hearing about like normal kind of like everyday problems 0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:25.120 and stuff, and I don't know, it's very I guess, 0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:27.239 I mean, at least in terms of like Cocomo City, 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:31.080 it's very like I don't know, it becomes very dark 0:56:31.120 --> 0:56:35.319 because like the movie itself is fairly light and you know, 0:56:35.360 --> 0:56:37.480 it's fairly easy to watch, like kind of like a 0:56:38.120 --> 0:56:42.160 hangout Eat documentary. But I mean in real life, one 0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:45.920 of the actress was like murdered like in Atlanta, and 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:49.480 it's like flash god damn. Like just like I appreciate 0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:53.160 that they they they didn't want to do so much 0:56:53.160 --> 0:56:56.160 of the like trauma porn stuff, but like, I mean, 0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:58.879 god damn it, it's incredibly real. 0:56:59.120 --> 0:57:01.759 Like I think that's the best way to get the 0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:07.759 trans representation I mean is through documentaries, right obviously, And 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:12.120 then I don't think people really watch that many documentaries. 0:57:11.520 --> 0:57:17.600 Though, I mean, I love trans documentaries. They're some of 0:57:17.600 --> 0:57:22.200 my favorite things I did. So I have a series 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:24.600 that I've been doing in Austin that I'm still doing 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:28.000 even after I've moved. I've been doing it for two 0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:32.480 full years now, and it's like a queer film. It's 0:57:32.480 --> 0:57:35.160 like a general queer film series, but kind of focus 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:37.720 on like deeper cuts. And something they let me do 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:41.600 is to pair features with shorts. And I've, you know, 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:43.440 over the past couple of years, found all these little 0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:47.680 short films where it's basically, you know, here's we've sat 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:49.240 a trans person down and they're just going to talk 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.240 about their life for ten or fifteen minutes. And sometimes 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:54.560 they show like glimpses of their life or like reenactments 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:58.160 of like things that they've done. But like those shorts 0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:00.760 are always the ones that like get the best reactions. 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:03.040 I've had people come out to these screenings and hate 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:06.160 the movie but love the short and I think there's 0:58:06.160 --> 0:58:09.400 such a power in just having someone sit down and 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.720 just talk and yeah, you hear their experience or you 0:58:12.760 --> 0:58:15.800 see a little bit of their life. And I mean, 0:58:15.840 --> 0:58:17.320 I guess that's the problem I have with a lot 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:20.960 of like narrative films is like, you know, we we 0:58:21.040 --> 0:58:24.439 see trans people on the screen, but we don't really 0:58:25.600 --> 0:58:28.840 what we see isn't really like their real life. We 0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:32.400 see like a SIS person's interpretation of what like a 0:58:32.440 --> 0:58:34.880 trans life is like or what the trans experience is like. 0:58:35.120 --> 0:58:38.480 I would love more trans documentaries that just you know, 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:39.520 sit someone down. 0:58:40.480 --> 0:58:45.600 Yeah. Yeah, those are definitely like my favorite's Like that's yeah, 0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:47.920 that's why I like like Cokona City and Dress in 0:58:47.920 --> 0:58:53.160 Blue so much. So you're gonna love Southern Comfort. Yeah, 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:56.000 I'll check that out for sure. So Liz, I have 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:59.120 well sorry, what was your question? Oh I was I 0:58:59.160 --> 0:59:01.400 was gonna try to piv it to our little game, 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:03.520 but if you have a question, yeah, this. 0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.160 Will be my last to my last little question, then 0:59:05.160 --> 0:59:06.880 we can pivot to the game. I just wanted to 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:11.160 ask you, Liz, what made you want to get into 0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:13.960 into this career field and like why did why did 0:59:14.000 --> 0:59:15.200 you want to do what you do. 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:22.720 For me, it's just a being kind of obsessed with 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:28.840 movies and fascinated by movies and be like wanting to 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.360 help get them out there or help show them to people, 0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:35.680 or I mean, the thing I've kind of built my 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:38.720 name off of is this project I do called Ask Anybody, 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:45.880 and Ask Anybody? Was anybody Buddy, b b U, D 0:59:46.000 --> 0:59:49.960 D Y right, And it was basically just me researching 0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:54.400 and exploring the history of gaye porn. And the thing 0:59:54.400 --> 0:59:55.280 that got me into those. 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.560 Movies is that every night, every night. 0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:01.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, I know, but I mean 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:04.160 this goes into everything we've been talking about. Gay porn 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:08.240 movies in the seventies and the eighties were the only 1:00:08.320 --> 1:00:12.520 way that gay filmmakers could really make gay movies and 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.720 tell gay stories and actually explore like gay ideas in film. 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:21.680 You know, in gay porn we see the first coming 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:24.240 out stories, we see the first gay romances. We see 1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:27.360 gay horror movies and gay westerns and gay comedies and 1:00:27.440 --> 1:00:31.840 gay gay thrillers, gay everything. Yeah, as long as a 1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:34.240 film had like a certain amount of sex scenes or 1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:36.720 a certain amount of cumshots, you could do what you 1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:38.800 could do whatever else you wanted. The sex doesn't even 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:40.200 have to be hot as long as it had sex 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.960 in it. A filmmaker could make a film, have the 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:45.360 money to make the film, get it released, and then 1:00:45.400 --> 1:00:47.840 basically almost be guaranteed to make a profit, and then 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:50.760 be able to make more movies. And then the theaters 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:52.600 that the films would play at were like gay porn 1:00:52.680 --> 1:00:54.840 theaters that were dedicated theaters where you could go any 1:00:54.920 --> 1:00:58.400 day of the year and see a gay movie and 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:01.920 cruise and probably know fucker get fucked. Yeah, And I 1:01:01.960 --> 1:01:04.040 think there's something really powerful about that. And like these 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.600 movies they were kind of a big deal in their time. 1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:10.200 They were reviewed in gay newspapers and magazines, they had stars, 1:01:10.240 --> 1:01:13.720 they had like well known directors, and then over the 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:18.000 past couple of decades, with you know, aids and respectability 1:01:18.040 --> 1:01:21.360 politics and all this stuff, those films kind of just disappeared. 1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:24.080 And ask anybody, it was me trying to like re 1:01:24.160 --> 1:01:27.520 examine these films and see, like, you know, is me saying, like, 1:01:27.560 --> 1:01:29.920 I think there's something here. I think people would be 1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:32.560 into this stuff if they knew about it, and basically 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:35.160 trying to explore that. 1:01:36.000 --> 1:01:38.880 Yeah, yeah, so I think that's what it's like. Uh, 1:01:39.240 --> 1:01:43.320 Like Burt Reynolds and boogeyn Its. But yeah, yeah, like 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:47.560 I want to make actual arts. I think that's very cool. 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:50.800 I've noticed you and some other people. I've seen a 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:53.920 lot of like people reviewing, like a lot of these 1:01:53.960 --> 1:01:55.960 movies have been added to the letterbox recently, and I've 1:01:55.960 --> 1:01:58.680 seen a lot of people like, I don't know. I'm 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.040 glad you kind of explained that because it took me. 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:03.840 I didn't really understand how a lot of people were, like, 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.360 I don't know, even having like interests in a lot 1:02:06.400 --> 1:02:11.320 of these like erotic like seventies sixties like movies. But 1:02:12.320 --> 1:02:16.040 that that makes total sense. Yeah, So I think. 1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:17.920 I think a lot of people when they think of 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:19.440 these things, they think it's just gonna be like an 1:02:19.440 --> 1:02:21.919 internet porn video where it's just fucking yeah. 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:22.320 Yeah. 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:25.720 These film these films had stories, they had characters, and 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:28.200 the gay movies they were so little budget that they 1:02:28.360 --> 1:02:31.960 often shot in like the actual spaces, so these movies 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:34.640 are the only places you can see certain like famous 1:02:34.640 --> 1:02:38.320 gay bars or certain gay porn theaters or there were 1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:40.080 a couple of movies that were shot at New York's 1:02:40.120 --> 1:02:44.080 Cruising Peers, which are now long since demolished. And here 1:02:44.120 --> 1:02:46.360 in this movie you can see a depiction of what 1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:48.320 it was like to cruise the peers. Or here you 1:02:48.320 --> 1:02:49.560 could see what it was like to be at a 1:02:49.600 --> 1:02:52.360 gay bar in the mid seventies, or here's what a 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:55.640 gay porn theater was like. Yeah, and like these filmmakers 1:02:55.680 --> 1:02:58.880 they you know, the ones that really cared and were 1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:01.280 really trying to do good work. I think they were 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:04.960 using sex as a way of exploring these ideas of 1:03:05.000 --> 1:03:08.880 gay liberation. You know, we have we're still arguing about 1:03:08.920 --> 1:03:12.760 the merits of promiscuity versus monogamy or you know, polly 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:15.439 relationships or you know, I only have one part sex 1:03:15.440 --> 1:03:18.680 scenes in films or even sex scenes in films. Yeah, yeah, 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.600 like none. None of this stuff is new, and I 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:24.680 think people don't realize that. And I think with the 1:03:24.720 --> 1:03:27.360 advent of prep, you know, however long ago that was, 1:03:27.400 --> 1:03:30.160 I think there has been this kind of revitalization and 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:33.080 cruising culture and sex culture, and people are I think 1:03:33.120 --> 1:03:35.160 now maybe more in a mindset to look at back 1:03:35.200 --> 1:03:36.919 at this stuff and kind of see the value there. 1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:39.960 And again, this stuff, this stuff was seen as being 1:03:40.040 --> 1:03:43.640 part of gay liberation. You know, sex gay liberation was 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:46.280 sex and to actually make a gay movie that had 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:48.560 a gay story and showed gay sex, which was a 1:03:48.560 --> 1:03:51.080 crime at the time. I think there's something. 1:03:50.840 --> 1:03:52.920 Powerful about that, yeah, for sure. 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.600 And for me, like as I was kind of like 1:03:56.600 --> 1:03:59.000 like as when my egg cracked and I sort of transitioning, 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:02.720 seeing transporn from that time was really powerful to me 1:04:02.800 --> 1:04:05.560 because you know, I think a lot of people nowadays 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:06.840 would look at that stuff and be like, oh, this 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.320 is made for cis people like who fucking cares about this? 1:04:09.360 --> 1:04:12.560 It's gross, it's exploitative. But for me, when I see 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:14.640 that stuff, I'm like, here's like trans women who are 1:04:14.640 --> 1:04:18.160 beautiful and who are like desired, And a lot of 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:20.800 those movies were made by people from like the community, 1:04:21.240 --> 1:04:24.880 and people who were you know, had their hand both 1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:28.440 in the sex stuff but also like drag pageants in 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:31.840 the drag world and magazines and publishing, so you see, 1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:36.360 you know, these like it's clearly made by community or 1:04:36.400 --> 1:04:39.120 people who are like related to community, and I think 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:40.280 those movies are so cool. 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:42.600 Thank you for that. I don't know, I really like, uh, 1:04:43.360 --> 1:04:47.680 I don't know. We're very like discourse oriented a little 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:51.120 little subgroup of people now and I feel like just 1:04:51.280 --> 1:04:54.120 so much of this is like I don't know, just 1:04:54.160 --> 1:04:56.440 so much of this is so like unnecessary when like 1:04:56.440 --> 1:04:58.240 you said, like a lot of these like arguments are 1:04:58.280 --> 1:05:02.080 just very like sick look stuff that like has been 1:05:02.840 --> 1:05:06.680 litigated and litigated long before like tumblr was ever invented. 1:05:07.360 --> 1:05:10.440 And yeah, but I feel like if I feel like, 1:05:10.920 --> 1:05:15.200 by like preserving this history and like like engaging with 1:05:15.320 --> 1:05:17.640 like history and culture in that way, we can like 1:05:17.840 --> 1:05:22.240 maybe hopefully in the future, break some of these like 1:05:22.480 --> 1:05:28.920 cyclical argument cycles. Yeah, and that's what art is all about. 1:05:29.360 --> 1:05:31.680 Yeah, I mean there's there were gay filmmakers in the 1:05:31.680 --> 1:05:34.919 eighties complaining about how, in like mainstream movies, the camera 1:05:34.920 --> 1:05:39.440 would always have to pander the window when people had sex. Yeah, 1:05:39.880 --> 1:05:41.800 very very calmy by your name. It's like, why why 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:45.560 can't we show the people actually having sex or show 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:48.520 show their relationship in terms of the actual sex instead 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:50.400 of having to you know, be very tasteful and not 1:05:51.160 --> 1:05:52.480 have it all be part of one thing. 1:05:52.760 --> 1:06:06.520 Oh I love tastelessness. Yeah, huge fah speaking of tastelessness. 1:06:06.560 --> 1:06:09.240 While if, if, if you still have time for it, 1:06:09.360 --> 1:06:12.200 I put together a little game for us to play. 1:06:12.360 --> 1:06:17.280 Sure would you like knowing knowing knowing you uh from 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:23.640 your letterbox presence. I went I went through UH. I 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:27.080 went through the task of combining a list in a 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:30.760 little game that I call porn comment or letterbox review. 1:06:31.520 --> 1:06:33.360 And I've got a list here and I'm just gonna 1:06:33.400 --> 1:06:37.520 read off some of these statements made by real people. 1:06:37.760 --> 1:06:40.200 Can I just say something real quick? This reminds me 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:42.360 of one of my favorite old school games, which is 1:06:42.440 --> 1:06:43.560 gay Bar or Steakhouse. 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:47.440 Oh, that's good. That's good. That's good. 1:06:47.600 --> 1:06:49.480 And there was there was there was a website called 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:51.680 gay Bar or Steakhouse. I don't know if it still exists, 1:06:51.680 --> 1:06:55.160 but it was like a game of like Longhorn the 1:06:55.240 --> 1:06:59.000 Longhorn or like the Ramrod Is this steakhouse? 1:06:59.760 --> 1:06:59.800 No? 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:02.560 I love games like the first one we played in 1:07:02.560 --> 1:07:06.080 the first episode of the season. We had Domino, Presley 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:10.240 and like her girl group with us, and I found 1:07:10.400 --> 1:07:13.480 a list of all the like saw traps, and I 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:16.680 found a list of just like weird like either sex 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:20.040 positions or like sexual objects. And it was called like 1:07:20.160 --> 1:07:23.760 sex or saw and it was it was pretty good. 1:07:23.840 --> 1:07:25.480 I think everyone had a pretty good time. 1:07:27.200 --> 1:07:30.000 We've been we've been talking about movies to the past hour. 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:31.760 I am a little disappointed. We did not get to 1:07:31.800 --> 1:07:33.800 talk about how trans the Saw franchise is. 1:07:34.160 --> 1:07:38.000 Oh wow. We talked about Saw a lot on and there. 1:07:38.080 --> 1:07:41.640 There was this period last year when I started dating 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:43.880 someone and she showed me all of the Saw movies 1:07:44.120 --> 1:07:46.240 and this was like, right when you were watching all 1:07:46.280 --> 1:07:46.840 the Saw movies? 1:07:47.600 --> 1:07:49.840 Yeah, yeah, earlier friend. 1:07:49.800 --> 1:07:52.240 My friend Vera Drew was watching all the Saw movies 1:07:52.360 --> 1:07:54.240 and like, I knew three other people who are who 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:57.440 are all watching Saw movies and like losing their minds over. 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:00.640 Well, it was because Saw X was covering, so I 1:08:00.680 --> 1:08:02.680 wanted to like brush up on the lore. 1:08:03.960 --> 1:08:06.040 Because I see, I've. 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:09.440 Seen like up until three when I was like really young, 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:13.720 and then I don't know, My like taste is such 1:08:13.800 --> 1:08:15.480 like a bell curve. It was like a lot of 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:17.479 stuff when I thought was really cool when I was 1:08:17.520 --> 1:08:20.840 young that I as I grew more taste, I was like, 1:08:20.880 --> 1:08:24.000 this is stupid, and now like now I've kind of 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:27.240 regressed into like a pre like hormonal state where I'm like, 1:08:27.320 --> 1:08:28.040 this is awesome. 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:32.160 I saw one through three or fine Soft four through six, 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:34.760 Now that's that's no. 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:37.280 Yeah, I saw a lot of people hating on Soft four, 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:40.559 but it has one of the funniest scenes in any 1:08:40.600 --> 1:08:48.080 movie ever when Donnie Wahlberg's headed the eyes blocked is 1:08:48.160 --> 1:08:51.679 one of the funniest, like the truly like fall out 1:08:51.720 --> 1:08:55.160 of my seat laughing moments I've ever had watching a movie. 1:08:55.600 --> 1:08:57.920 The insane transition where the woman is thrown into the 1:08:57.960 --> 1:08:59.920 mirror and the camera goes through the mirror. 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:04.439 And that is so cool. That's I know that is 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:06.080 that is that Saw four as well? 1:09:06.680 --> 1:09:06.840 Four? 1:09:07.040 --> 1:09:09.760 Yeah, oh yeah, dude, that ship is so cool. I 1:09:10.120 --> 1:09:13.160 completely agree. It's very like, uh, I mean, I know 1:09:13.200 --> 1:09:15.439 that one's not directed by James Wand, but that's like 1:09:15.479 --> 1:09:18.040 something James Wand would do, like now, yeah, like in 1:09:18.080 --> 1:09:20.639 like a like an upgrade type movie or something like that. 1:09:20.680 --> 1:09:22.040 One of my projects that have had kind of on 1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:24.880 the back burners, I want to recut the entire Soft 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:27.880 franchise in chronological order and just see how much of 1:09:27.880 --> 1:09:28.920 a clusterfu that would be. 1:09:28.920 --> 1:09:32.599 Oh my god, how much more confusing it would be. 1:09:33.280 --> 1:09:35.680 I didn't really when I watched Saw X and I 1:09:35.760 --> 1:09:40.080 realized that, like I like leaving the theater, my boyfriend's like, 1:09:40.080 --> 1:09:42.680 you know, that's like supposed to be like before the 1:09:42.720 --> 1:09:44.680 events of Saw two. I'm like what. 1:09:46.640 --> 1:09:51.599 So before Saw two he went to Mexico and did 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:54.800 all of the what like, that's kind of easy. Letst 1:09:54.840 --> 1:09:57.840 we forget Saw five. Saw five only exists to show 1:09:57.880 --> 1:09:59.680 how the new character from saft wour was there the 1:09:59.800 --> 1:10:03.000 entire or time and not my least favorite. 1:10:04.320 --> 1:10:07.559 Saw five is my least favorite. That one just feels honestly, 1:10:07.600 --> 1:10:10.360 all the like Hoffman centric ones are are not as 1:10:10.360 --> 1:10:15.839 good for me. He's just such. He's so boring like franchise. 1:10:16.000 --> 1:10:19.360 I like him and Saw Saw six obviously is the 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:22.000 real the real saw heads know that Saw six is 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:26.640 kind of the best one. I mean, seeing like healthcare 1:10:26.680 --> 1:10:29.080 executives get like tortured is just. 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:32.599 That's the incredible because I've been battling and going getting 1:10:32.600 --> 1:10:34.519 my fucking f fs covered by insurance. 1:10:34.640 --> 1:10:36.880 I just hope that the next one, when it comes out, 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:39.880 will have a scene where Jigsaw force someone or Yea 1:10:40.360 --> 1:10:42.719 causes someone to like do their first shot of estrogen. 1:10:44.080 --> 1:10:47.839 You you've been gooning to get to transport your whole life. 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:51.000 You can name all these transport saws off the top 1:10:51.040 --> 1:10:53.679 of your head, but can you cut your dick off 1:10:53.720 --> 1:10:57.559 to save your life? The camera's like cutting like all 1:10:57.600 --> 1:11:00.200 around him. He like picks up the scaff. 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:05.280 You have to perform a perfect vaginoplasty on yourself. 1:11:05.600 --> 1:11:09.479 In front of you are two silicon breast implants. You 1:11:09.640 --> 1:11:12.840 was standing on top of weight. You must have them 1:11:12.960 --> 1:11:15.519 into your skin and sew them back up. 1:11:15.800 --> 1:11:18.000 The key is in your testicle. You must give yourself a. 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:27.439 Working Yeah, there's there's a lot there ship. Yeah. Wow, 1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:31.120 I shouldn't have brought up Saw. This happens every time 1:11:32.080 --> 1:11:34.200 every time. While you guys were talking. 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:36.200 About Saw, I was checking my Instagram really quick and 1:11:36.200 --> 1:11:38.439 fucking Dylan mulvaney started following me, and I was having 1:11:38.439 --> 1:11:41.400 a mini heart attack. WHOA, she was gonna start looking 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:44.040 at me discoursing in my stories, but she didn't. 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:47.799 So, yeah, you better behave. I better behave. 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:51.400 I was discoursing about the fucking lesbian bar drama that 1:11:52.160 --> 1:11:55.280 a bunch of teenagers who have never been to bars 1:11:55.439 --> 1:11:57.639 seem to have a lot of opinions about. 1:11:58.080 --> 1:12:00.880 I have no idea what you're talking about, but we can. 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:02.880 I feel like we can put a pen in this. Yeah, 1:12:02.880 --> 1:12:05.719 we can put a pen in it. Sorry. Yeah, well, okay, 1:12:05.760 --> 1:12:07.720 go to the game. Okay, you know we. 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:09.639 Made it a full hour. We did not start talking 1:12:09.640 --> 1:12:11.120 about day fabs or whatever. 1:12:11.720 --> 1:12:14.160 No, we yeah, no, we don't. We don't do that. 1:12:15.200 --> 1:12:18.040 There's certain things that on this show that I know 1:12:18.120 --> 1:12:20.360 if I bring up is just going to like really 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:24.320 like I mean, there's just there's certain trans discord stuff 1:12:24.320 --> 1:12:26.040 like we're just talking about discourse a few minutes ago, 1:12:26.080 --> 1:12:30.040 like this is it's so like it's just so toxic 1:12:30.120 --> 1:12:33.040 because like yet, I have my own opinions on things, 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:35.240 but one, like I don't want to like piss off 1:12:35.280 --> 1:12:39.400 anyone that like is ostensibly on my side. And two 1:12:39.800 --> 1:12:42.519 it's just fucking stupid. Who cares. I don't want to 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:45.879 talk about like non binary seventeen year olds on TikTok 1:12:46.000 --> 1:12:48.519 like this. I'm not I wasn't talking. I was talking 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:52.519 about the lesbian bar drama. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Porn 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:53.679 comments or letter box. 1:12:56.040 --> 1:12:59.040 All right, this one reads sometimes you just have to 1:12:59.080 --> 1:13:00.280 bottom your way to the hop. 1:13:01.439 --> 1:13:03.960 I'm gonna say that's a I think it's a letterbox. 1:13:04.680 --> 1:13:06.800 What do you think, Carmen, I'm gonna go with that 1:13:07.000 --> 1:13:09.679 sounds like a letterbox. It is it is. I started 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:12.080 off as an easy one. That is a review for Saltburn. 1:13:12.240 --> 1:13:14.000 Fuck that movie. I knew that I was going to 1:13:14.040 --> 1:13:17.320 be that all right. I love this girl. She's actually 1:13:17.360 --> 1:13:22.200 an amazing actor. Fully believe her characters massive props, porn 1:13:22.240 --> 1:13:23.880 comment or letterbox. 1:13:24.280 --> 1:13:26.280 See porn comment on that one. 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:30.280 I'm also gonna go with porn comment. I started jewel 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:34.320 off easy and I've only I'm only adding one of these. 1:13:34.400 --> 1:13:36.360 But I thought this was an interesting theme when I 1:13:36.439 --> 1:13:38.240 was you need to tell us which porn video that's 1:13:38.280 --> 1:13:41.200 about listen. Oh, I don't know. I did. I did 1:13:41.240 --> 1:13:44.840 make a note when it was straight porn, but all 1:13:44.880 --> 1:13:47.920 the good ones were on straight porn. Because people don't 1:13:47.960 --> 1:13:50.280 really comment on like gay and trans porn. I feel 1:13:50.320 --> 1:13:53.240 like they're a little too embarrassed, a shame of shame. 1:13:53.520 --> 1:13:55.920 Although I did. There is a very running theme. I 1:13:55.920 --> 1:13:57.960 had to look at quite a lot of porn to 1:13:57.960 --> 1:13:59.000 make this list. 1:14:00.439 --> 1:14:03.840 There running thank you for your Yeah, you know, I 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:04.240 do what. 1:14:04.200 --> 1:14:07.920 I can for it's all for the show. There is 1:14:07.960 --> 1:14:11.759 a running theme in a lot of transporn where people 1:14:11.760 --> 1:14:17.720 are like, fuck, I'm gay. Now It's like, you know, 1:14:17.880 --> 1:14:21.680 damn well, you didn't just like stumble in here, like 1:14:21.720 --> 1:14:24.120 you know what you're doing, Like you didn't just trip 1:14:24.160 --> 1:14:29.799 and fall and now you're like, yeah, yeah, you didn't, 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:35.920 just like yeah, anyway, hey guys, quick question. I'm stuck 1:14:35.960 --> 1:14:39.240 in Stars and time. I'm currently in Act three. I 1:14:39.280 --> 1:14:41.880 tried beating the king so many times and even helping 1:14:41.920 --> 1:14:44.599 with friends, but for some reason, the act doesn't change. 1:14:44.800 --> 1:14:47.560 Is there something I'm doing wrong? Any help is appreciated. 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:50.880 This is porn? Huh, This is absolutely porn. And this 1:14:50.960 --> 1:14:53.479 is an interesting theme that I saw where there's a 1:14:53.479 --> 1:14:57.120 lot of people that like to solicit like Reddit style 1:14:57.400 --> 1:15:04.160 video game advice on porn comments. So I only included 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:07.479 this one just to note that there's a lot of that. 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:12.639 There's a lot of people just casually discussing like how 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:14.120 do you tame a horse? And minecraft? 1:15:14.479 --> 1:15:17.200 Are there a lot of porn comments that are like 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:20.120 those YouTube comments were like I'm a thirteen year old 1:15:20.160 --> 1:15:21.920 and I know this is real rock and roll. 1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:30.439 Yeah, I didn't find I did find some that were like, yeah, 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.600 who's still jack into this in twenty three or like 1:15:34.920 --> 1:15:37.840 who's who's busting to this during the pandemic? 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:43.200 Like who in lockdown right now? So, yeah, there's there's 1:15:43.240 --> 1:15:46.439 a lot of solidarity in the in the porn community, 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:50.439 and there's a lot of more like social aspect to 1:15:50.600 --> 1:15:55.400 it that I like. I think that's cool. It's very reddit, though. 1:15:55.439 --> 1:15:58.400 I don't like how red it it is. But what 1:15:58.400 --> 1:16:02.599 are you doing? All right? Uh? They are not getting 1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:07.760 the cleaning deposit back on that cabin. Oh that's I'll 1:16:07.840 --> 1:16:08.639 let you answer first. 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:11.040 I'm gonna go ahead and say that's a letterbox review. 1:16:11.920 --> 1:16:12.360 It's pity. 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:15.439 I'm gonna say the same thing. It is a It 1:16:15.520 --> 1:16:19.639 is a letterbox review for the film Antichrist. I love 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:24.160 that movie. Another Dafoe, Yeah that is I love that 1:16:24.240 --> 1:16:28.639 movie too. All right, rat Now I'm hungry for food 1:16:28.800 --> 1:16:33.040 and cock. It's gotta be porn and it's gotta be 1:16:33.120 --> 1:16:34.280 some type of food. 1:16:35.120 --> 1:16:36.519 I'm gonna say. 1:16:36.360 --> 1:16:41.960 The letterbox Carmen was right. That was pornography. Was it 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:44.880 somebody like getting fucked with food or something? I'm gonna 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:49.599 I didn't like write down. I don't remember that. I 1:16:49.640 --> 1:16:52.800 didn't really write that down. I wrote down the letterbox movie. 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:55.360 It was with the movie. I just wrote porn from 1:16:55.400 --> 1:16:59.840 when it was porn. Uh, this makes me hungry for 1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:03.519 let's see letterbox. That's gotta be a letterbox review for 1:17:03.600 --> 1:17:07.080 the menu. This was porn. Okay, Damn, this was porn. 1:17:07.280 --> 1:17:11.360 All right, you know what love making belongs in the kitchen. 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:12.959 I'm gonna say letterbox. 1:17:13.960 --> 1:17:18.760 I'm gonna say, Okay, you're wrong. Correct. That was a 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:24.599 that was for the movie Tempopo. Oh I didn't. I 1:17:24.680 --> 1:17:29.559 never even popped a boner. That is a letterbox review. 1:17:29.600 --> 1:17:31.560 I bet there's a letterbox. 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:34.559 It's a letterbox for the movie the Gaspard Away film 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:41.479 Love that Sucks? More like? More like enter my ass? 1:17:46.560 --> 1:17:50.439 Is that in a letterbox review? For Interstellar? Uh? It's 1:17:50.720 --> 1:17:58.320 Enter the Void another gas Away film. Excellent cinematography, amazing 1:17:58.360 --> 1:18:01.360 camera work and sound design. Somebody give the actress a 1:18:01.400 --> 1:18:04.080 Grammy or something. Well done with the production. 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:08.840 Porn porn definitely, Yeah, when they don't say the name, 1:18:08.960 --> 1:18:11.040 I tried to like work around that, but that was 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:13.599 a comment I did write down because this person had 1:18:13.600 --> 1:18:14.160 a cool name. 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:19.120 This was Alpha Pussy Assassin. Whoa we need comments on pornhub? 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:19.559 Whoa? 1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:22.640 That was another thing. I had to solicit most of 1:18:22.680 --> 1:18:26.519 these from porn Hub, which wasn't a fan of doing. 1:18:26.680 --> 1:18:29.240 But you know, again, the things I do for the show, 1:18:30.680 --> 1:18:34.680 all right, this one I really like a lot. It 1:18:34.720 --> 1:18:37.040 takes a long time to get into, but that's what 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:39.759 makes it. It's much like the Phil Collins song Something 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:46.120 in the Air Tonight, Letterbox, I'm gonna say porn. That 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:49.800 was pornography. That was that was pornography. They were thinking 1:18:49.800 --> 1:18:54.760 about Phil Collins, what they were dooning. Pussy is just 1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:55.800 not that interesting? 1:18:56.720 --> 1:19:00.880 Is that a letterbox review for Benedetta Liz? 1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:01.760 What do you say? 1:19:02.000 --> 1:19:03.440 I'm gonna go ahead say letterbox. 1:19:04.000 --> 1:19:07.360 Correct. It's for the movie Anatomy of Hell, which there's 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:11.240 another movie that I hate. It's way way too French, 1:19:11.520 --> 1:19:15.040 way too French. Don't like that movie. Life sucks. And 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:17.280 then you come it's so. 1:19:17.360 --> 1:19:19.640 Pity that, like, my mind immediately goes to letterbox. But 1:19:19.640 --> 1:19:20.439 I'm gonna say porn. 1:19:20.920 --> 1:19:23.160 Your mind is on the right track, and it is. 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:27.360 You're right, the pissiness it is. It is a one 1:19:27.400 --> 1:19:30.280 sentence letterbox review. It's for the film the Todd Solon's 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:34.120 film Happiness Wow, which is which is an awesome movie, 1:19:34.960 --> 1:19:39.200 hilarious film, way more come dialogue than initially expected. 1:19:41.960 --> 1:19:43.960 Oh my god, letterbox. 1:19:45.280 --> 1:19:48.479 That is also a review for the film Happiness Wow. 1:19:50.479 --> 1:19:54.759 Uh that movie. Todd Solon's is h such a freak 1:19:54.760 --> 1:19:56.680 he should be put in jail. But he makes some 1:19:56.760 --> 1:19:57.519 cool movies. 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:03.400 All right, Uh, she's a Catholic, she'd be shunned in 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:07.400 the eyes of God. He's going wait, fuck, I wrote 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:08.479 this one weird, fucked. 1:20:10.600 --> 1:20:13.200 I'm just gonna skip this one. It was porn, Okay, 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:19.120 I wrote that one weird. Uh, I'd kill myself if 1:20:19.160 --> 1:20:23.960 I wasn't a part of that fire orgy. Letterbox Yeah, 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:26.600 which mode is that? That is a letterbox for the 1:20:26.640 --> 1:20:30.920 film Ken Part another movie made by someone who should 1:20:30.920 --> 1:20:33.240 be put in jail. That it is not very good. 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:36.599 This one was fucked up. I like, don't like this one, 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:39.479 but uh, I hope she gets locked in a dungeon 1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:43.400 and fed dick and balls twenty four seven, three sixty five. 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:52.320 God the phrase dick and balls. I'm gonna say porn. 1:20:52.840 --> 1:20:56.800 Yeah, this is fucked up. This is a one and 1:20:56.840 --> 1:21:05.160 a half star review for the movie Megans. Really fucking stupid. 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:08.200 This person should be put in jail, Like, for real, 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:09.360 that's horrible. 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:14.400 I did not see one single person smile. 1:21:15.520 --> 1:21:17.400 Porn letterbox. 1:21:17.680 --> 1:21:23.280 This is a letterbox review for the Matrix Reloaded. And finally, 1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:26.200 I feel like this guy wakes up every morning and 1:21:26.240 --> 1:21:29.200 says to himself in the mirror, this is my swamp. 1:21:29.760 --> 1:21:30.679 That's gotta be porn. 1:21:31.200 --> 1:21:31.559 Porn. 1:21:31.920 --> 1:21:35.240 It has to be porn, and in fact it is. Liz. 1:21:35.439 --> 1:21:38.559 Thank you for joining us, Thank you for playing, Thank 1:21:38.560 --> 1:21:41.720 you for playing a game. Do you have anything you 1:21:41.760 --> 1:21:44.599 want to promote? Any any links you want to send, 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:46.879 will obviously keep in the show discribtion. 1:21:46.920 --> 1:21:52.320 Sure early March. I am going to be well On 1:21:52.439 --> 1:21:56.160 March six, I'm gonna be at Nighthawk Cinema in the 1:21:56.200 --> 1:21:59.840 Prospect Park, Nighthawk in Brooklyn showing One of my favorite 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:03.040 movie is Pumping Iron to the Women, which is incredible, 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:06.360 incredible documentary a about like big strong women and b 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:10.080 it's a film that I think has a lot of 1:22:12.560 --> 1:22:14.639 a lot of queer themes. It's about you know, who 1:22:14.680 --> 1:22:17.759 defines what femininity is? What is too masculine for a woman? 1:22:18.320 --> 1:22:23.080 You know what? What? What is? Uh? What is too masculine? 1:22:23.280 --> 1:22:23.360 In? 1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:28.639 What am I thinking? It's a film with big strong women, 1:22:28.720 --> 1:22:29.800 and it's a film I. 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:34.240 Think you can enjoy. 1:22:34.280 --> 1:22:36.320 You can enjoy as a film about big strong women, 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:38.320 but you can also enjoy it as a film that 1:22:38.600 --> 1:22:41.600 has a lot of trans allegory. And it's incredible. 1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:47.479 So yeah, that's great. Yeah, Yeah, go on out go 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:51.880 support our girl. Also, yeah, we can the links to 1:22:51.920 --> 1:22:55.439 your website and everything down there. Follow Liz. She's great, 1:22:55.640 --> 1:22:58.479 very knowledgeable all our movie heads out there. I hope 1:22:58.479 --> 1:23:01.240 you enjoyed this one, and Liz, thank you for joining us. 1:23:01.280 --> 1:23:01.840 It means a lot. 1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:04.559 Thank you, No, thank you. It was a lot of fun. 1:23:13.640 --> 1:23:16.640 So we just shot a music video this week for 1:23:16.800 --> 1:23:20.400 Janie's new song on her new album, East Atlanta Sober 1:23:20.439 --> 1:23:22.960 that comes out pinning. 1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:24.880 This fall a summer summer. 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:29.439 Okay, it's going to why did. 1:23:29.360 --> 1:23:29.920 I say fall? 1:23:30.240 --> 1:23:32.760 I was literally thinking spring and I said fall? Why 1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:34.480 did I Anyway. 1:23:34.200 --> 1:23:38.960 Maybe spring mid spring, early summer. But yeah, new album 1:23:39.000 --> 1:23:42.160 coming out. I have a new single. For all of 1:23:42.160 --> 1:23:45.800 my albums, I want to have like one really really heavy, aggressive, 1:23:45.920 --> 1:23:49.360 like grind corey song on it, and this is the 1:23:49.360 --> 1:23:55.040 one for that. So it's it's very very aggressive, very short, blistering, 1:23:55.280 --> 1:24:01.720 angry political and yeah, so I got a bunch of 1:24:01.720 --> 1:24:05.439 girlies together there to help us tie up an effigy 1:24:05.479 --> 1:24:08.960 of a man and kill him. And yeah, it's great. 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:11.000 I'm very excited about it. I'm very proud of it 1:24:11.040 --> 1:24:13.639 and proud of our director. Shout out to Natasha Riiley 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:17.200 she's nominated for some sort of award right now because 1:24:17.240 --> 1:24:18.160 she's very talented. 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:22.160 But yeah, shout out to her. She's really great. And yeah, 1:24:22.720 --> 1:24:25.320 especially she did our photos. 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:28.920 Yes she did. Yeah, if you've enjoyed our little like 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:32.360 new like promotional like photos and stuff, she did those two. 1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:36.000 So she's very talented. But yeah, it should be out 1:24:36.040 --> 1:24:40.280 probably next week. So maybe by next week's episode, we'll 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:43.120 have it linked in the description for you to check out. 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:46.160 So yeah, keep an eye on the keep an eye 1:24:46.200 --> 1:24:48.760 on the Jaming Danger YouTube channel. I'll link that in 1:24:48.840 --> 1:24:52.080 the description below so that people can subscribe it and whatnot. 1:24:52.680 --> 1:24:58.880 Yeah, yeah, do we have any desperate colors that need help? 1:24:59.120 --> 1:25:01.920 We do have one desperate callers today. 1:25:02.160 --> 1:25:07.600 Let's queue it up, he translated Beauty, recent listener of 1:25:07.640 --> 1:25:11.679 the show love It. I don't really have a problem 1:25:11.960 --> 1:25:16.680 or like a specific question, just wanted to share something 1:25:16.880 --> 1:25:22.360 and get ill thoughts. Uh. So, I was assigned mail 1:25:22.439 --> 1:25:30.439 at birth. I'm currently identifying as non binary, and you know, 1:25:30.560 --> 1:25:34.960 experimenting with like different ways of like gender expression and 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:39.400 YadA YadA. I really learned here to talk about more 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:45.960 here to talk about you know, since beginning to identify 1:25:46.000 --> 1:25:50.960 as non binary, I started to the past couple of 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:55.599 people I dated or hooked up with. That's right, Almost 1:25:55.640 --> 1:25:59.880 all big trans women get which I which you know 1:26:00.080 --> 1:26:00.439 I love? 1:26:00.880 --> 1:26:01.040 Right? 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:06.800 I I think the thing I wanted to get your 1:26:06.880 --> 1:26:10.600 thoughts on was a number of them have sort of 1:26:10.600 --> 1:26:15.599 made comments about you know, unprompted. 1:26:15.160 --> 1:26:17.640 Like I knew it. I knew it was like I 1:26:17.640 --> 1:26:19.519 was about to have. 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:25.720 You considered transitioning you know, your gender? Right? Have you considered, 1:26:25.800 --> 1:26:29.080 you know, taking hormones which you know? I don't I 1:26:29.200 --> 1:26:36.360 take a compliment? Yeah, I mean I don't know magic 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:41.160 shouldn't I do? You know? There are times I enjoy 1:26:41.840 --> 1:26:45.000 I enjoy like, you know, dressing up and like more 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:48.439 fun clothing, and it's kind of nice when like someone 1:26:48.680 --> 1:26:52.040 like calls me like ma'am or something in the street. 1:26:54.840 --> 1:26:55.440 Yeah. 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:57.559 I'm just curious if like this is like a thing 1:26:57.760 --> 1:26:59.320 that you heard about. 1:26:59.200 --> 1:27:01.360 Or oh, we've heard about it, honey. 1:27:01.600 --> 1:27:04.439 I like this question people who have had similar attitude. 1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:05.799 I have some thoughts that I want to get. 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:08.120 Out before you do great work with the show. 1:27:08.840 --> 1:27:11.479 Okay, so first thing, I know that you're new at this, 1:27:11.880 --> 1:27:14.680 Please stop saying assigned to mail at birth. We do 1:27:14.800 --> 1:27:18.320 not need to know that you're a mab afab whatever 1:27:18.439 --> 1:27:23.519 we can tell. Oh my god, it's just annoying, you 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:25.000 know what I mean. The whole point of being non 1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:29.200 binary is to not like establish your sex in every conversation, 1:27:29.320 --> 1:27:30.519 So stop doing that please. 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:33.639 And uh. 1:27:33.840 --> 1:27:36.960 The other thing I would say is we're not changing 1:27:36.960 --> 1:27:39.599 our gender, We're changing our sex, and that's an important 1:27:39.600 --> 1:27:42.160 thing to keep in mind. Hormones change your sex. 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:43.639 We are. 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:48.559 Already i think, confident in our gender prior to that. 1:27:48.800 --> 1:27:52.120 But it really just comes down to, Yeah, if you 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.759 feel like you like being referred to as a woman, 1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:59.120 ma'am moving through life as a woman, and you see 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:03.280 yourself moving through life as a woman, then yeah, I 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:06.479 think that's something that you should pursue. I also don't 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:09.320 think hormones are that serious of a deal where you 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:14.240 need to be, like, you know, super afraid of trying 1:28:14.360 --> 1:28:16.800 them for like a short period of time. I agree 1:28:16.800 --> 1:28:19.479 with that, SOO, yeah, you could try them for a 1:28:19.479 --> 1:28:22.200 period of time and see how that makes you feel. 1:28:22.240 --> 1:28:25.439 If that makes you feel any affirmed, yeah, like in 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:26.280 one way or the other. 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:29.280 I'd say if you give it like six months or so, 1:28:29.600 --> 1:28:32.320 you're not really going to get anything that you can't undo, 1:28:33.080 --> 1:28:35.160 and you'll definitely be able to get like at least 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:38.880 like a taste of like what that experience is like 1:28:38.960 --> 1:28:40.439 and be able to see if you like it or not. 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:43.200 But I will also say that, you know, hormones are 1:28:43.240 --> 1:28:46.600 just one part of it, you know. I mean, I 1:28:46.600 --> 1:28:50.479 would also experiment with, like, you know, presenting if that 1:28:50.560 --> 1:28:52.720 is something that you want to do, because also keep 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:56.840 in mind that being a woman really does not come 1:28:56.880 --> 1:28:59.240 down to the clothes you like to wear. It comes 1:28:59.280 --> 1:29:02.960 down to how you feel about your sex at the 1:29:03.040 --> 1:29:05.400 end of the day, you know, like do I you know, 1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:08.960 and so you can wear whatever clothes you want to wear. 1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:12.080 But I would I would practice with presenting more feminine 1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:15.360 and just seeing how that makes you feel. 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:18.280 I support that as well. I have some kind of 1:29:18.960 --> 1:29:22.960 maybe maybe differing opinions from my lovely co host here though, 1:29:23.080 --> 1:29:29.360 please and that well, for one, I want to address 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:34.600 the uh like the trans people making comments, because this 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:38.439 is the thing that especially lots of younger trans women 1:29:38.760 --> 1:29:42.280 like to do where they do this very like r 1:29:42.400 --> 1:29:46.719 slash egg irl bullshit where they're like, oh, I'm cracking 1:29:46.760 --> 1:29:49.160 the egg. And I also kind of want to talk 1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:53.040 about the twitch streamer thing I don't know. Yeah, yeah, 1:29:53.120 --> 1:29:55.200 we can get into that a little bit later because 1:29:55.280 --> 1:29:56.840 this kind of ties into that in a way. But 1:29:58.160 --> 1:30:02.360 I think, you know, contrary to what our haters might 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:06.679 say about us, we or at least me, for sure, 1:30:08.000 --> 1:30:11.760 I like the idea of people being on binary. I 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:15.320 think it's great. I think if you are non binary 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:19.000 and you are comfortable with that as your label, I 1:30:19.040 --> 1:30:22.080 think that's very cool and I think that's fine, and 1:30:22.400 --> 1:30:26.840 I don't think anyone should try to like change that 1:30:27.160 --> 1:30:30.680 about you if that's something you're very comfortable with. So 1:30:31.680 --> 1:30:32.240 that's why I. 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:36.240 Would say, if you don't, like, if it makes you 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:39.920 uncomfortable that trans women that you're making up with or yeah, 1:30:39.960 --> 1:30:43.160 are saying that too, I think you could you could 1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:45.360 respond with some I think you're well within your right 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:48.639 to respond with some caddie bullshit like oh well, maybe 1:30:48.680 --> 1:30:51.360 I'm happy with who I am or something like, because 1:30:51.840 --> 1:30:56.000 that's not their business, Like that's not someone else's business 1:30:56.120 --> 1:30:59.080 to like be your fucking indochronologists, you know. 1:30:59.560 --> 1:31:02.800 Or you're like your fucking therapist. Yeah, yeah, like I 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:05.639 think if I think again, though, that's like a thing 1:31:05.680 --> 1:31:08.200 that you have to decide. Like, I think you need 1:31:08.240 --> 1:31:11.719 to decide, like, if you're happy with who you are 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:14.960 being non binary, then you should be happy with that. 1:31:14.960 --> 1:31:15.559 That's fine. 1:31:15.800 --> 1:31:18.200 But I always encouraged, like, if that's being said, yes, 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.879 I always encourage people just trying it out if they're curious. 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:23.439 But I was gonna say that too. There would be 1:31:23.479 --> 1:31:26.599 nothing wrong with like identifying as trans for a while 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:30.120 just to try, Like, I don't I don't see anything 1:31:30.160 --> 1:31:32.400 wrong with that. When I first came out, I said 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:36.840 I was like gender queer for like a year, and 1:31:37.520 --> 1:31:39.880 to be honest, I kind of knew I was trans 1:31:39.960 --> 1:31:42.800 like the whole time, but it was kind of my 1:31:42.880 --> 1:31:46.120 way of like dipping my toes in the water before 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:48.760 I like actually like dived into the deep end. 1:31:49.240 --> 1:31:51.960 Yeah, because you have so many like societal pressures to 1:31:52.120 --> 1:31:56.360 be a man, you know, if that's what you're born 1:31:56.439 --> 1:32:00.599 as or whatever. You have so many pressures to be person. 1:32:00.760 --> 1:32:06.599 So really the first step in becoming a trans woman 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:10.320 for us is just like learning to accept that we're 1:32:10.320 --> 1:32:13.719 not those people for anyone, and we have to be yeah, 1:32:13.760 --> 1:32:16.360 who we are for ourselves. For you, Yeah, yeah, I 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:18.760 would also maybe disagree with you a little bit that, 1:32:18.880 --> 1:32:22.080 like this is something I've kind of came around on 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:24.519 like I've always used to kind of be like very 1:32:24.560 --> 1:32:28.080 hardlined about like no, like if you're like taking hormones, 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:31.640 you're like clearly like like trans. But I'm starting to 1:32:31.640 --> 1:32:35.000 think maybe like you can identify as like non binary 1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:35.760 or something else. 1:32:35.920 --> 1:32:40.599 Yeah, I wouldn't call you sis quite, but like I 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:42.320 think if you're if I think, if you want to 1:32:42.400 --> 1:32:45.839 experiment with like hormones and stuff and like consider yourself 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:48.320 like non binary or like like a thin boy or 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:50.880 something like, I mean, as long as you're not like 1:32:50.960 --> 1:32:54.120 being annoying about it, like that's that's fine. I don't 1:32:54.160 --> 1:32:56.479 see anything wrong with that. So I would also add 1:32:56.520 --> 1:32:59.200 like if you want to like kind of keep that 1:32:59.320 --> 1:33:02.800 like identity the label, but also like maybe experiment with 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:10.040 more like physical like you know, hormones, presentation, like voice training, whatever. Yeah, 1:33:10.080 --> 1:33:11.799 try that, like try on different hats. 1:33:11.840 --> 1:33:12.000 You know. 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:16.600 It's it's it's because I definitely relate to like the 1:33:16.680 --> 1:33:20.439 confusion of kind of like when you realize, like when 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:23.519 you get that like splinter in your mind and you realize, like, Okay, 1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:26.960 I'm definitely not like sis. I'm definitely not like being 1:33:27.040 --> 1:33:31.120 comfortable being referred to as male as a man or whatever. Yeah, 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:35.559 and just like having this kind of like culture shock, 1:33:35.640 --> 1:33:38.679 I guess of not being sure like what that means. Yeah, 1:33:38.680 --> 1:33:43.000 Like I definitely like relate to that kind of like confusion, 1:33:43.040 --> 1:33:45.280 and I think that's something that you should like guide 1:33:45.320 --> 1:33:49.600 yourself through. And but I like talking talking with like 1:33:49.640 --> 1:33:51.840 friends and stuff would help. But I think like talking 1:33:51.880 --> 1:33:54.479 with like randos that you like hook up with or 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:57.760 like whatever, like they a lot a get A lot 1:33:57.760 --> 1:34:00.519 of fucking trans girls are like very annoying this and 1:34:00.560 --> 1:34:01.840 they like want to crack. 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:04.120 Your I'll be honest too, can I can I say, 1:34:04.240 --> 1:34:07.080 like I'm sorry, well, just to like play Devil's advocate 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:11.240 here for the trans women, I will say, you know, uh, 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:15.439 just to say, like fucking like fucking trans women does 1:34:15.479 --> 1:34:20.439 not make you trans, you know, and being trans. You know, 1:34:20.840 --> 1:34:23.439 there's other and I can't we'd have to play it back. 1:34:23.479 --> 1:34:25.439 But I can't remember if this person is even necessarily 1:34:25.560 --> 1:34:29.120 questioning their gender or if other people are just questioning 1:34:29.560 --> 1:34:31.080 their gender, you know what I mean. I think they 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:34.240 I think they are a little bit, yeah, because it 1:34:34.320 --> 1:34:37.040 sounds to me more like it's like an external like 1:34:37.160 --> 1:34:43.960 these trans women that you're fucking are being like, hey, 1:34:44.240 --> 1:34:47.639 you know what's going on, And yeah, there are some 1:34:47.680 --> 1:34:50.800 trans women that take a lot of like glory and 1:34:50.840 --> 1:34:51.519 being like I'm. 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:52.240 Gonna crack the eg. 1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:56.320 But honestly, it's like we just need to accept that 1:34:56.360 --> 1:35:00.759 like nobody determines anyone's gender or secon expect themselves. 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:03.720 Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, this is something we've talked about a 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:07.680 lot in regards to like, yes the Kirk. Yeah, that's 1:35:07.680 --> 1:35:12.120 a classic example because it's something that like really goes 1:35:12.200 --> 1:35:18.639 against the kind of modus operanda being trend. Yeah, you're 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:22.200 deciding for someone else, like like that's not like that's 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:25.160 you can't do that, and that's something that I will 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:29.479 always reject. So yeah, I think we can like cover 1:35:29.560 --> 1:35:32.120 our bases here and answer and like help them with 1:35:32.200 --> 1:35:35.400 like the the kind of like either one, because yeah, 1:35:35.560 --> 1:35:39.200 it does seem like it could be like either they 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:42.360 are questioning this and are not sure about like the 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:45.720 external influences, or they're very very sure and are kind 1:35:45.760 --> 1:35:48.880 of annoyed by the external influences. And I think we 1:35:48.920 --> 1:35:51.479 can answer like both of those questions in an honest 1:35:51.520 --> 1:35:55.720 way and maybe that that will help our help our 1:35:55.760 --> 1:36:01.519 dear listener, because I just like try to shut out, 1:36:01.800 --> 1:36:04.840 you know, I think so too. I would also agree, like, 1:36:04.920 --> 1:36:07.200 and this is something that like an annoying, like egg 1:36:07.240 --> 1:36:11.759 cracky trans woman probably would say. But it's true, Sis, 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:16.920 people don't buy and large don't really experiment with like 1:36:17.000 --> 1:36:20.680 hormones or like even think about like doing stuff like that. 1:36:20.960 --> 1:36:24.080 So if that's something that you like are really like 1:36:24.160 --> 1:36:27.200 in your brain wanting to do, I mean, I don't 1:36:27.200 --> 1:36:29.400 know what to tell you, girl, Like that's that sounds 1:36:29.439 --> 1:36:33.360 like it might be something you would be worth trying out. 1:36:33.760 --> 1:36:36.360 It just depends on you know, you gotta just break 1:36:36.400 --> 1:36:39.760 through all those barriers of like I don't know just 1:36:39.800 --> 1:36:41.400 what other people around you expect to you. 1:36:41.920 --> 1:36:43.599 I mean I feel like one of the big things 1:36:43.680 --> 1:36:46.360 is like, oh, like I'm gonna like sterilize myself. But 1:36:46.360 --> 1:36:49.360 it's like it sounds like you're gay already, so I 1:36:49.360 --> 1:36:53.120 mean it's kind of like God already did that for you. 1:36:53.720 --> 1:36:57.080 I mean you can also like you could come in 1:36:57.120 --> 1:36:59.519 a ziplock bag and keep it in your freezer, like 1:36:59.640 --> 1:37:02.920 it's you can always do. I've heard that works. Oh, 1:37:02.960 --> 1:37:06.000 I've got an ice tray full come from when I 1:37:06.040 --> 1:37:11.160 was three at your house. Oh, it's clearly labeled it's 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:18.479 clearly labeled not ice. Something else, sir, it's not ice. 1:37:18.560 --> 1:37:20.760 It's a secret more sinister second thing. 1:37:20.880 --> 1:37:24.800 Oh my god, I'm terrified. I have a friend who 1:37:24.880 --> 1:37:27.080 keeps a fucking dead cat in their freezer, and I 1:37:27.120 --> 1:37:29.760 have a friend who keeps the fucking ice tray of 1:37:29.880 --> 1:37:30.799 com in their freezer. 1:37:30.880 --> 1:37:33.040 This is I don't Actually I do sometimes kind of 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:36.519 wish that I, like save my sperm, but it's a 1:37:36.840 --> 1:37:40.240 very very expensive to do in Georgia. Yeah, don't you 1:37:40.240 --> 1:37:42.920 have to like pay rent on that? Yeah? No, it's 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:46.120 really really it's like a monthly fee or some shit. Yeah, 1:37:46.200 --> 1:37:48.280 I'm not sure. I know that. Like just like doing 1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:51.720 the deposit is like incredibly expensive. It's like, I'm the 1:37:51.760 --> 1:37:52.679 one who's coming. 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:54.080 I didn't want to wait. 1:37:54.240 --> 1:37:56.280 I didn't want to wait. I was like, I'm just 1:37:56.320 --> 1:37:59.000 gonna I'm just gonna start hormones. And I think having 1:37:59.080 --> 1:38:02.599 kids like stupid. I'm just gonna say it. Also, I'm adopted. 1:38:02.640 --> 1:38:03.600 I could adopt. 1:38:03.520 --> 1:38:04.840 Exactly my point. 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:09.760 And also I've come to realize I'm more into like 1:38:09.840 --> 1:38:14.000 long term relationships with men and uh just making out 1:38:14.000 --> 1:38:19.519 with girls because they're pretty. But uh, yeah, can we 1:38:19.800 --> 1:38:22.479 really quick talk about do you know about the twitch 1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:25.880 streamer guy Finn girl be, I don't know. I mean 1:38:25.920 --> 1:38:29.960 she's not. I think I think they're in any pronouns person. So, 1:38:30.760 --> 1:38:34.639 but I think that's an interesting like cultural tie into 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:39.400 this conversation. Yeah, because people for so long have been saying, oh, 1:38:39.439 --> 1:38:41.200 you're an egg, when are you gonna start a hormone? 1:38:41.200 --> 1:38:45.000 Finn's on hormones. It turns out they were six months 1:38:45.160 --> 1:38:47.880 they've been on hormones, but of course they were. If 1:38:47.920 --> 1:38:50.960 you looked at that person, well, I'm with you. Can 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:51.640 I be honest with you? 1:38:52.360 --> 1:38:52.840 Can I be mean? 1:38:52.880 --> 1:38:55.680 For a second, I watched the coming out video and 1:38:55.720 --> 1:38:57.160 I was I'm very happy for. 1:38:57.280 --> 1:38:59.479 I was shocked that they were like Australian or whatever. 1:38:59.840 --> 1:39:03.160 That was hard. I think, oh god, which is like 1:39:03.200 --> 1:39:05.320 even worse. I thought they were America. 1:39:05.439 --> 1:39:08.240 It's like even harder to get HRT and like, if 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:11.320 you're in America, try it out. But anyway, England, it's 1:39:11.360 --> 1:39:13.200 a fucking arduous process to get. 1:39:13.200 --> 1:39:14.479 HRT over there. I'm sure. 1:39:14.600 --> 1:39:17.559 But it's all camera angles. Can I just say with 1:39:17.640 --> 1:39:19.360 Finn it's all that camera angle. 1:39:19.520 --> 1:39:21.639 It is the so it is all this. 1:39:21.600 --> 1:39:24.160 Camera angle and I'm going to hold my my laptop 1:39:24.280 --> 1:39:25.360 up like this. 1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:26.960 That is all it is. 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:32.400 Because when Finn shoots to camera, there was like a 1:39:32.400 --> 1:39:35.040 couple of shots where he she they were shooting a 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:39.080 camera like face on like this, bricky, bricky, bricky. 1:39:39.640 --> 1:39:42.880 Wow. I don't really care about you being means of 1:39:42.920 --> 1:39:46.800 herd because I'll be honest, there is someone I'm fine 1:39:46.800 --> 1:39:50.160 with Finn. There was someone I was aware of on 1:39:50.200 --> 1:39:53.479 Twitter for a long time because they there was a 1:39:53.520 --> 1:39:57.920 lot of this is they they like, yes, like rage bait, 1:39:58.280 --> 1:40:00.280 I want to get to that. But there was lot 1:40:00.280 --> 1:40:04.719 of trans people that were very like annoying about him, Yeah, 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:08.719 because like they were annoyed that this is like I mean, honestly, 1:40:08.720 --> 1:40:10.720 they were just jealous. They were annoyed that like a 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:14.719 quote unquote boy is like pretty and is like using 1:40:14.840 --> 1:40:18.439 that to like get views. And personally, I think that's 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:20.960 something that also goes against the kind of mo o 1:40:21.360 --> 1:40:26.160 of self identifying being trans, like choosing your own you know, 1:40:26.640 --> 1:40:31.360 labels for yourself whatever. But when they started making videos 1:40:31.400 --> 1:40:34.559 that were like I just tricked a bunch of blokes 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:37.800 into thinking that I'm a woman, I'm like, yeah, that's 1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:39.439 fucked up, that's weird. 1:40:39.720 --> 1:40:42.599 That's when I started to I don't care be a fimboy, 1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:46.280 be a Twitter, be a whatever. But the rage bait 1:40:46.400 --> 1:40:50.400 stuff at a time when got trans women are being murdered, 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:52.559 it's just goofy, you know what I mean. 1:40:52.600 --> 1:40:56.479 It's insane. It's goofy. And it shows a really like 1:40:57.520 --> 1:41:01.760 detached level of like privilege of like like not realizing 1:41:01.800 --> 1:41:06.160 that like I'm like making like content off of something 1:41:06.240 --> 1:41:10.560 that like gets trans people fucking killed. Like that's insane 1:41:10.640 --> 1:41:11.320 to me, I know. 1:41:11.479 --> 1:41:13.479 Yeah, And that's when I started to like was like 1:41:13.560 --> 1:41:15.559 I don't know about that. But then I want to say, 1:41:16.280 --> 1:41:19.519 you know, I don't want to be armchair psychologists here 1:41:19.560 --> 1:41:22.000 because that's not our job. But some of that, I 1:41:22.000 --> 1:41:26.320 feel like comes down to like internalized trans misogyny. You 1:41:26.439 --> 1:41:29.080 learn for so long that trans women are so disgusting 1:41:29.240 --> 1:41:33.000 they are the most vile, like worst person, type of 1:41:33.000 --> 1:41:35.720 person that can't consist on the face of earth. So 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:40.040 what do you identify as well, I'll be a finboy 1:41:40.080 --> 1:41:42.719 because that's not quite as nasty, and I'm not saying 1:41:42.720 --> 1:41:43.800 that that's the case. 1:41:43.640 --> 1:41:46.120 But no, I think I know what you're getting a yeah, 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:49.800 like being like, oh, well, I want to like cross 1:41:49.880 --> 1:41:52.200 dress or I want to like present myself like this 1:41:52.240 --> 1:41:55.639 because I like doing it. Yeah, but in a way 1:41:55.720 --> 1:41:59.679 to like kind of like misdirect from like me saying 1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:02.400 that I like this and I'm comfortable with it, I say, 1:42:02.479 --> 1:42:06.120 I'm doing it for a joke. Yes, yes, it's Halloween. 1:42:06.280 --> 1:42:10.160 I I had to dress up as it's like I don't. 1:42:10.960 --> 1:42:12.240 When I went to Alta, we used to have this 1:42:12.280 --> 1:42:14.559 creepy old guy who'd be like, hey, I lost a 1:42:14.600 --> 1:42:17.080 bet with my wife and she she wants me to 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.880 go out this weekend dressed up like a woman. Do 1:42:19.920 --> 1:42:23.560 you do like make up for drag there at Alta? 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:26.960 And I would be like, yeah, you can use makeup 1:42:26.960 --> 1:42:27.840 for anything. Yeah. 1:42:27.960 --> 1:42:30.000 I'm like in my head like cancer, Like I'm like 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:32.639 thinking to myself, like, dude, first of all, you there 1:42:32.680 --> 1:42:34.920 was never a bet. You're just a fucking weirdo and 1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:40.519 you want some type of like yeah wait, yeah that's awesome. 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:41.080 Yeah. 1:42:41.080 --> 1:42:42.639 So a lot of it, I feel like comes down 1:42:42.680 --> 1:42:46.360 to like just like internalized trans misogyny and just like 1:42:46.360 --> 1:42:50.240 a hatred for a trans woman that like I can't 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:51.280 be I can't be that. 1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:55.040 So yeah you know, yeah true, So I guess to 1:42:55.080 --> 1:42:57.639 the club, Yeah, I guess. I guess we can tie 1:42:57.680 --> 1:43:01.320 that back to uh, to the listener's question a little bit, 1:43:01.680 --> 1:43:04.280 assuming there's still like an uncertainty there, which I'm not 1:43:04.640 --> 1:43:06.960 entirely sure if there is or not. That's something you 1:43:07.000 --> 1:43:09.960 have to like also kind of like deal with for yourself. 1:43:10.040 --> 1:43:11.479 Like that was also the kind of part of the 1:43:11.520 --> 1:43:14.080 reason that I probably like that was like a big 1:43:14.080 --> 1:43:15.560 part of the reason why I didn't come out, And 1:43:15.600 --> 1:43:17.320 I would like I would just like cross dress like 1:43:17.360 --> 1:43:21.960 on Halloween or as a joke, because I was you're scared, 1:43:22.120 --> 1:43:24.679 like you're because I'm going to be fucking buffalo Bill, 1:43:24.960 --> 1:43:26.400 you know what I mean? Yeah, exactly. 1:43:27.960 --> 1:43:30.240 Go back and listen to our very first episode together 1:43:30.400 --> 1:43:31.320 when we talk. 1:43:31.240 --> 1:43:33.840 All about that. We've actually talked about a lot of 1:43:33.880 --> 1:43:36.759 those Yeah. So I don't know, I like that question, 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:40.720 and I like this listener. And if you uh, I 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:42.519 don't know, if you come to some sort of conclusion 1:43:42.640 --> 1:43:44.559 or something, I'd like to hear back from you, even 1:43:44.560 --> 1:43:46.519 if we just like play it off, even if we 1:43:46.600 --> 1:43:48.400 just play it off air like I would like to, 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:53.000 I don't know, I care about you. Yeah, yeah, let 1:43:53.120 --> 1:43:57.400 us know how things are going. Yeah, And if you 1:43:58.000 --> 1:44:00.839 are a listener. With any sort of problem, sorry, anything 1:44:00.920 --> 1:44:03.840 that you would like for us to address, you can 1:44:03.920 --> 1:44:07.559 hit our line at six seven eight five six one 1:44:07.800 --> 1:44:10.599 two seven eight five for whatever problems you have. We 1:44:10.640 --> 1:44:13.120 will laugh at you and make fun of you and 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:16.160 say you're week and a failure, just because we love you. 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:18.439 We love you. We'll listen to them, we'll consider them, 1:44:18.439 --> 1:44:20.280 we'll give him a very thoughtful response. 1:44:20.320 --> 1:44:21.840 I think we did great today. I think we gave 1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:24.920 I gave some constructive criticism. I gave some genuine love 1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:26.400 and care and concern. 1:44:26.800 --> 1:44:30.080 Yeah, I was very motherly of Yille. Yeah. 1:44:30.280 --> 1:44:32.799 All right, y'all, thanks for listening to this week's episode 1:44:32.840 --> 1:44:35.519 of Beauty Translated. Catch us next week we're going to 1:44:35.560 --> 1:44:39.920 be speaking with oh h oh erm Yeah, we're having 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:42.040 a real political episode next week. 1:44:42.120 --> 1:44:46.240 Oh yeah, another another smart one. Yeah no, I'm very 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:47.519 excited for next week's episode. 1:44:47.520 --> 1:44:47.680 Two. 1:44:48.240 --> 1:44:52.720 We have josh Aka et Injermentum from Twitter substack. You've 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:55.960 probably maybe heard him do appearances on Chabou Trapals and 1:44:56.120 --> 1:45:02.080 the Hassanabi hasan Piker Broadcast. Really smart political analyst and 1:45:02.200 --> 1:45:06.120 also this one's kind of for the fellas because he's 1:45:06.160 --> 1:45:12.040 a fella fella a cis fella with a penis, and 1:45:13.520 --> 1:45:17.599 he does amazing writing on the world of politics and 1:45:17.920 --> 1:45:22.880 has a great article on trans legislation, and honestly, it's 1:45:23.280 --> 1:45:25.040 it sounds like it's going to be something that's very, 1:45:25.120 --> 1:45:28.080 very depressing, but it might make you feel at least 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:31.559 a tiny bit better about the world of politics and 1:45:31.720 --> 1:45:33.679 trans stuff. 1:45:34.439 --> 1:45:37.439 Actually it made me feel better. I went in feeling 1:45:37.560 --> 1:45:40.760 very doom and gloom, but then at njer Josh he 1:45:40.840 --> 1:45:42.559 put a lot of things in perspective for me that 1:45:42.600 --> 1:45:45.639 made me feel a lot better and really made me 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:48.680 feel just kind of better about not covering all the 1:45:48.760 --> 1:45:52.280 stupid legislation bullshit anymore, because it really is just intended 1:45:52.760 --> 1:45:55.479 mostly to be rage rage bait. 1:45:55.640 --> 1:45:57.680 We cover a lot of stuff in this episode that 1:45:58.200 --> 1:46:01.519 we don't normally talk about. So if you've been kind 1:46:01.520 --> 1:46:04.800 of waiting to hear us weigh in on Florida and 1:46:04.840 --> 1:46:09.040 Ohio and all these presidential nominee yea, all these hell 1:46:09.160 --> 1:46:12.760 places and hell topics, listen next week's episode. Those is 1:46:12.840 --> 1:46:14.559 gonna be a fun one. 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