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Speaker 2: be a good one today. John Middlecoff and I chop

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Speaker 2: it up for almost an hour, but I want to

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Speaker 2: start with the Denver Broncos tonight. You know when Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton came out and took that shot at Nathaniel Hackett,

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Speaker 2: everybody freaked out, WHOA, that's over the top. Baron Rodgers

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Speaker 2: stuck up for his buddy. Sean pay does know anything.

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Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett and the Jets last forty drives one touchdown. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson has taken Nathaniel Hackett's Russell Wilson eighty four

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Speaker 2: passer rating, sixteen touchdowns, eleven picks. Russell now is a

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Speaker 2: one oh four passer rating. It's all the same, dudes,

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Speaker 2: eighteen touchdowns, four picks. Nathaniel Hackett is not a good

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Speaker 2: football coach. Sean Payton's a great football coach. Listen to

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Speaker 2: the passer ratings of Russell Wilson's career from twenty eighteen

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Speaker 2: to on one eleven, one O six, one o five,

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Speaker 2: one oh three, eighty four, one oh four. Try to

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Speaker 2: find the Nathaniel Hackett year. The Jets offense is now

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Speaker 2: the most unwatchable offense. I'll make the argument that Zach

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Speaker 2: Wilson's the least effective quarterback, starting quarterback I've seen in

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Speaker 2: the NFL and maybe in my life. Nathaniel Hackett Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton was right. What you're watching in Denver's amazing. And

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, they've beaten the Chiefs, maybe the best team

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Speaker 2: in the league. The Bills hammered the Jets today and

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Speaker 2: the red hot hottest team in the league in terms

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Speaker 2: of winning Street Minnesota Vikings three weeks in a row,

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Speaker 2: three games in a row. It's it's coaching. It's the

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Speaker 2: same guys, isn't it amazing? That's why you know it.

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Speaker 2: We all know the quarterback leads this league. That's why

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Speaker 2: I never bought into Russell Wilson is washed. It's impossible.

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Speaker 2: You can't go from one O four, one O three,

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Speaker 2: make any there's no historical precedent. So Russell tonight made

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Speaker 2: the throw of the night to Courtland Sutton, who also

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Speaker 2: made a great play. Had that really good? Was it

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Speaker 2: third or fourth down? Little lob over the linebacker was

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Speaker 2: called interference, but caught anyway by the Broncos under heavy,

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Speaker 2: heavy pressure because of Brian Floores as blitz packages for

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Speaker 2: the Vikings, kept dumping it off to p Ryan in

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Speaker 2: the backs, and then new some running himself. I mean,

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Speaker 2: all the Russell Wilson stuff in Seattle's back, the playmaking,

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Speaker 2: the good deep ball, the good decision making. Here's the

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Speaker 2: thing with Russell Wilson. Sean fixed him, or should we

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Speaker 2: say Sean got him back on the freeway, the Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson interstate. This is how he's played at college, Seahawks

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Speaker 2: The other thing to remember, if you go back to

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's real prime, probably four years ago, We've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of new quarterbacks in the league who are

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Speaker 2: ten years. So this was a real team tonight. Minnesota

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Speaker 2: You know, historically there's a reason him under pressure, he's

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Speaker 2: I look at Russell Wilson twenty seven to thirty five,

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Speaker 2: the laterals, the quick screens. But it really is for

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Speaker 2: all this stuff about you know, Sean Payton, it was

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Speaker 2: too much ego. What you were watching is great coaching,

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of you are saying, we'll calling you.

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Speaker 2: You know you like Sean Payton, so of course this

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Speaker 2: is what you think. No, what I like is really

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Speaker 2: smart offensive coaches. That's what I like. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: not getting better. In fact, I'll get into this later,

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Speaker 2: Look at the coaching cultures packers, offensive culture, steeters, defensive culture.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think Russell Wilson would have gotten better

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Speaker 2: this year with just anybody Nathaniel Hackett coaching. But to

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Speaker 2: be able to take Russell last year into Russell this year,

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Speaker 2: the dramatic improvement, I don't think you can do that

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at how quickly Sean McVeigh got Baker

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Speaker 2: At what Kevin O'Connell did with Josh Dobbs who didn't

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Speaker 2: get a practice. Look at what Sean Payton has done

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Speaker 2: to course correct Russell Wilson. I don't think any of

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Speaker 2: this stuff is a coincidence. I don't think defensive coaches

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Speaker 2: can pull that off. Like I don't think Justin Fields

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Speaker 2: I do think it hurts him being with Matty Eberflus.

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Speaker 2: once again, Justin Herbert makes the plays. Brandon Staley can't

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Speaker 2: make the stops as the defensive coach. So it's not

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Speaker 2: that I know Sean Payton and like him, I've been

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Speaker 2: it's after a while it's irritating. But if you look

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Speaker 2: at some of these quick turnarounds by these quarterbacks, it's

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Speaker 2: seemingly all offensive coaches. You could have brought in a

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Speaker 2: they would have won the same number of games or

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Speaker 2: maybe more. That defensive coach would not have taken Russell

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Tom Brady will joke privately, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: and probably publicly to his team Belichick didn't understand anything

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Speaker 2: It's a different world, I find myself. The AFC has

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Speaker 2: got good teams. Started looking at the AFC teams that

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Speaker 2: you know, you got a lot of these teams that

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Speaker 2: it's Chargers, it's Bills. There is so much talent in

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Speaker 2: the AFC. It's just incredible. It really is. Today Arizona,

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Speaker 2: I thought, pretty good team faced an AFC team lost, Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: pretty good team hot faced, an AFC team lost. So

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Speaker 2: the AFC is the superior conference. You're seeing it time

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Speaker 2: and time and time again. This is I felt tonight

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Speaker 2: was the biggest win for Russell Wilson, even bigger than

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Speaker 2: Kansas City, even bigger than Buffalo, because I felt the

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Speaker 2: last drive of the game was so much about Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson's playmaking. It was so much about Russ cooking, you know.

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Speaker 2: Kansas City was about Mahomes second half offense, not watered down,

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Speaker 2: unable to really generate anything. The Buffalo win was about

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Speaker 2: the Bill's mistakes. This game was about Russell Wilson in

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Speaker 2: the second half, engineering several important drives, especially the last

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Speaker 2: one for a touchdown. And I felt like this was

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Speaker 2: as big a win for Russell Wilson as he has

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Speaker 2: had two three years, maybe longer. It felt like Russell's game.

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Speaker 2: That throw to Courtland Sutton that play felt so much

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Speaker 2: like a seahawk played by Russell Wilson. So and again,

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Speaker 2: I don't know as Sean Payton fixed Russell Wilson, or

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Speaker 2: is he just course corrected Russell back to being who

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is, which has always been a minus quarterback,

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Speaker 2: the play calling was at times aggressive. He threw for

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Speaker 2: over three hundred yards. Now it's the Chargers. It is

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Speaker 2: the worst coach defense with Brandon Staley, arguably for their

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Speaker 2: talent in the league. But before we get into Brandon,

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Speaker 2: I do think Jordan Love. I really think we have

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Speaker 2: to acknowledge Packers have done a good job through the

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Speaker 2: they don't pick offensive players in the first round. Love

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Speaker 2: Burrow accurate. That's not what he is. He's not gonna

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Speaker 2: be He's not gonna throw it like Stafford or Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: But Jordan Love. I don't see anything with Pickett. I

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Speaker 2: see something with Jordan Love. What is it?

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Speaker 1: Well, I think when he was coming out you had

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Speaker 1: to look at him like a poor man's Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: His stats weren't very good at Utah State. It was

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Speaker 1: all the raw physical tools. He is much more talented

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Speaker 1: the sideline and he'll overthrow them, right. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, young quarterbacks who haven't played much of the NFL,

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Speaker 2: need five new offensive linemen, probably four. You run the Jets.

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Speaker 2: They whiffed on a left tackle, on a quarterback. They've

426
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Speaker 2: hit on virtually everybody else. As you well know, there's

427
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Speaker 2: two positions maybe three, you can't whiff on. Left tackle.

428
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Speaker 2: Quarterback are way up there. Would you bring Sala and

429
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: Joe Douglas back. They're anemic offensively. They are another defensive

430
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Speaker 2: coach team that looks just out of sync with the

431
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: league offensively. This was embarrassing, this humiliating loss. I mean,

432
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: christ even the Giants one today with Tommy the veto.

433
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Speaker 2: You own good by the way, Yeah, you own the Jets.

434
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Speaker 2: What do you do going forward?

435
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Speaker 1: You don't really have a choice to me, because that

436
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: you went all in on Aaron Rodgers and unless Aaron

437
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: Rodgers wants these guys gone, and it sure doesn't feel

438
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: like that right with Nathaniel Hackett coming on that you

439
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 1: have to roll it over. I mean you're kind of

440
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: beholden to him. I mean some of these there was

441
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: a story that came out today that they're gonna go

442
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: after DeVante Adams in the offseason. Like, let's focus on

443
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: some other priorities here. Let's protect the quarterback. You already

444
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: have a really good wide receiver. Look at Tank Dell

445
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: for the Houston Texas. I found him in the third round.

446
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: We got to get a guy in the mid rounds

447
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: to be your number two wide receiver. You drafted a

448
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: tight end, like you should be able to figure some

449
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: stuff out. Let's invest in the offensive line. I would

450
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Speaker 1: bring these guys back just because of Aaron Rodgers. But

451
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Speaker 1: if this does not turn around next year, they gotta

452
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Speaker 1: go fast. I mean, they might not make it through

453
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Speaker 1: the season. It'd be like if it's clearly not a

454
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: playoff team at this time, to me, they're all gone, because,

455
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Speaker 1: let's face it, I had a guy tell me when

456
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Speaker 1: it was clear that he had drafted Joe Douglas drafted

457
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 1: a lot of really good players. He's like, let's just

458
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Speaker 1: pick seven of them. If six out of seven of them,

459
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, the Garrett Wilson's, the Bectons, the Sauce Gardeners,

460
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: the pass rushers all become Pro Bowl level guys, that's awesome.

461
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: But if Zack Wilson is a bust, we're in trouble.

462
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: And if all those guys are busts and Zach Wilson's

463
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: a player, will get contract extensions and will be viewed

464
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Speaker 1: as big time in the NFL. And while they were

465
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: bailed out a little with the Rogers trade, not really

466
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: because he never got to play and we got to

467
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: see Zach Wilson on display again and it consistently got worse.

468
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: And I think it's easy to be objective with Zack Wilson,

469
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: because this year there's the immaturity, like off the field

470
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: is just quiet. It's just as the player, and he's

471
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Speaker 1: objectively terrible. He doesn't know how to play the position.

472
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Speaker 1: I mean today you could tell right away after the

473
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Speaker 1: first quarter they didn't stand a chance, Like he didn't

474
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Speaker 1: have a chance, no matter what the defense did, no

475
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: matter if they got ten turnovers from Josh Allen, which

476
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: clearly he was going to be pretty locked and loaded.

477
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: He's a disaster and usually don't get bailed out when

478
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Speaker 1: you draft a guy that high. The other thing, Robert Sala,

479
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Speaker 1: I mean you can just I had a take the

480
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Speaker 1: other day when he was coloring his beard.

481
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

482
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: Sawa is a good looking guy in New York, though,

483
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: and I think in the NFL, like for example, Ryan Day,

484
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: another guy in his early forties, clearly colors his beard.

485
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: A little different recruiting looking hip and fresh, Nick Saban,

486
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: whatever colors his hair, Mike Krzyzewski does it. Recruiting is

487
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: a little different in the NFL. No one cares what

488
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: you look like. I mean, Andy Reid has been big

489
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Speaker 1: for twenty five. It's about winning and losing. You cannot

490
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Speaker 1: be focused on some of this stuff when you're losing, Well,

491
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: what do you notice today? Salla shaved that thing off, right.

492
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: It's just like you just got to focus on people

493
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 1: are judging your team, not how you're looking some of

494
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: this other stuff. And I think sometimes the Jets get

495
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: caught up in that, Like when the Giants are good,

496
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: there's never any fluff around them. The Jets always deal

497
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: with all that stuff on and off the field, and

498
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: I think those guys, the story about Aaron Rodgers coming

499
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: back off the Achilles is insane, Like, what are we

500
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Speaker 1: even taught? That's the dumbest story going. He's not coming back,

501
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: He's never been coming back. And obviously they're not even

502
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: going to be in position because they're going to be

503
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: so far out of it by that time to even

504
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: risk it. But I think they got clearly they would

505
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: not have been as bad if he was able to play.

506
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, compared to Zach Wilson is a pretty

507
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: wide gap, but it probably would have been a little

508
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: bit more of a struggle than people like me thought

509
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: it was going to be fair.

510
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they do not have a number two receiver. They're

511
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: average at tight end. Oh line's bad and Hackett, hacketts

512
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: below average offensive coordinator. You know something that I think

513
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: about John, I think about this all the time. A

514
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: friend called me the other day and he said, you know, Colin,

515
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: you got the volume. You're doing well for FS one,

516
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: You're doing well for Fox Sports. Boy, you really got

517
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: leverage here. And I said, if you have it, be

518
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: careful about flexing because people will remember when you don't.

519
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: Aaron too often flexes Alan Lizard. Now you're stuck with

520
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 2: that contract, Aaron. They can't go by Devonte Adams. He's

521
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 2: Alan Lazarre's not worth that money. Randall Cobb can't play Hackett.

522
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: Give me a break. Aaron wants you to know he's

523
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: got power and too often use his leverage. And Brady

524
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 2: had it his entire career in New England. Johnny never

525
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: used it. He never flexed. He went to craft twice

526
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: once on Garoppolo, and I was told even a year

527
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: before Garoppolo, he complained a little bit about Belichick and

528
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: the relationship and that Bill could just be at times really,

529
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: if not hostile, disrespectful. But Brady never used it. By

530
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: the way, Peyton Manning didn't use it anytime. Aaron gets

531
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: an inch of it, he uses it. Lazard is now

532
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: a bad contract, Hackett's a bad coordinator. Wouldn't it be

533
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: nice to go out and buy the best free agent

534
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: center on the market. And I think Aaron's his own

535
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: worst enemy is that I said this. I don't believe

536
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: Aaron will ever matter in the NFL again. And that's

537
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: not a knock on Aaron, it's not. I think coming

538
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: back is a huge mistake and he's better to just,

539
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, like most Jets seasons, let it just, you know,

540
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: put it in the washer, wash it out, dryer. We'll

541
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: see what it looks like in a year. But I

542
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: don't think he'll ever matter again. I do think eventually

543
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: the Bills will go pay seven figures for an offensive coordinator.

544
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: Miami's not going backwards much. They have a really smart coach.

545
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Burrow will come back healthy. Baltimore's Oh was good. You

546
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 2: start looking. Brandon Staley probably out. They have an offensive,

547
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,719
Speaker 2: competent coach. Mahome's going nowhere. Russell, Wilson, Payton are now

548
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: at least viable. They can play. This is my take,

549
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: Aaron will never matter again in the NFL. Am I wrong.

550
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Well, if you want to dive into those four or

551
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: five plays he had before he tore his achilles. One

552
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: thing he always hung his hat on was he had

553
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: like the Drew Brees level accuracy with a big time arm,

554
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: but he could really move before he went down. He

555
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: was not looking like thirty three year old Aaron Rodgers.

556
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: There were a couple of movements where you're like, oh,

557
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: he looks old. He's thirty nine years old. So he

558
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: was not the same physically, and remember coming off a

559
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: pretty shitty year for his standards the previous year. Yeah,

560
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: so this is a guy I think sometimes and I'm

561
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: guilty of this. You just go, oh, eight months, nine

562
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: months recovery, come back, He's gonna be forty years old

563
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: off achilles. That even if the doctors and the rehabs

564
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: are dramatically better now than historically, these are type injuries

565
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: that ruined career. Look at Klay Thompson. The guy can

566
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: barely He's a shell of himself, and he's way younger

567
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: and a much better athlete. And I know he had

568
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: the ACL as well, But I think if you just

569
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: based it strictly on the way you battle back from

570
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: an injury like that, when a huge part of what

571
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: made you a really good player was movement. He's good,

572
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: he's a good pocket player, but movement really separated him,

573
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: made him an all time great player. So if he

574
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: can't really move, what's he just gonna do when he's getting,

575
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, pressured NonStop with that offense? Just throw it

576
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: away time, right? So I think that because one thing

577
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: Brady and Manning always had is that was the only

578
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: way they could play. They could never move, so they

579
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: mastered it from the moment they were twenty four years

580
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: old or hell in college. Peyton was a little bit

581
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: better athlete in college than the game in the NFL.

582
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: But Rogers part of this game was like, screw it,

583
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: I'll just take off right or hang off left, hit

584
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: guys down the field. Well, that's gonna be over. I

585
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: think we have to bank on that being over. So yeah,

586
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say I think the Jets big

587
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 1: picture just have major, major problems. They took a huge

588
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: home run swing, which I can't blame them, they didn't

589
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: have any other options, but it immediately backfired in their

590
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: face when was Achilles ripped and now you're getting a

591
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: guy back now, I think the only thing that they

592
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: got going for him is he gave him money back,

593
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,239
Speaker 1: right that that's seventy five million, wasn't one hundred and

594
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: ten million or whatever it was, right, So financially they

595
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: get a little relief based on that contract that they

596
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: negotiated before the season ever happened. But yeah, I think

597
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: they're in major, major problem. And this, like, what did

598
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: they actually gain out of this year? All these good

599
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: defensive players that are on rookie contra just waste it.

600
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: You're going to go. I mean, they'd be lucky to

601
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: go seven and ten again at this I don't see

602
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: how they win another game.

603
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to talk because I want to

604
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: get into USC football with you and Chip Kelly at

605
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: the end of this thing. But I do want to

606
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 2: talk Lions and Bears. So again, one of my favorite

607
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: bets of the day was the Bears because I think

608
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: the Lions have a game Thursday. I thought they'd look

609
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 2: ahead big win over the Chargers. I thought that, you know,

610
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: and Justin Fields came back, so you know, Carolina is bad,

611
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: and so Chicago's going to get Carolina's pick and it's

612
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: going to be the first pick in the draft. The

613
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: only thing charging because the Giants won today. New England's

614
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 2: the only threat, and Belichick will probably coach his way

615
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: to a win. So Carolina, which is now the Bears

616
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: pick is number one, and they're going to have a

617
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 2: chance to draft Caleb Williams. So I want to ask you.

618
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: And it was interesting because I've called Justin Fields a

619
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: YouTube quarterback. If you just take his clips Sam Darnold

620
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: very much like this, I can give you three minutes

621
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: of Sam Darnold. That's jaw dropping. You're just I could

622
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: go usc to the Jets and you're like, shit, that

623
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 2: guy can play. And then you watch him and the

624
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: slow release, two to three horrible throws. He'll get hit,

625
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: he'll fumble, a little lost to the line of scrimmage,

626
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: and it was it was really interesting. So I had

627
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: the just it was funny, this is how I think

628
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: of Justin Field. So I had the Bears plus seven

629
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: and a half, and when the Lion scored, I thought,

630
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: please take time off the clock, because if you score

631
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: and give Justin Fields a minute, he'll throw a pick six. Well,

632
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: sure enough, he comes out, no awareness in the pocket

633
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: at all, hit, fumbled, ball, gets kicked out. It's only

634
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: a safety. But I was thinking, oh, don't give Justin

635
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: Fields a minute, he will throw a pick six, And

636
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Speaker 2: I think that I think I've always said this about

637
00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: bullpens and baseball. None of us watch as caster. You

638
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: watch your favorite baseball team. There's too many games. You

639
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: can't watch everybody. So a fan knows this team better

640
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: than the media. And how you feel about your bullpen

641
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: as a fan, you're a Giants guy when they go

642
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: to the pen, how you feel regardless of what happens?

643
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: Because you watch everybody watches they're all we all watch

644
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: all NFL teams. You and I watch tons of college football,

645
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: but in baseball, I watch a lot of Dodgers. I

646
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: used to watch Yankees. You right, And when the manager

647
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: comes out in the seventh, how do you feel because

648
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 2: you know that team better than Buster only Tom Verducci,

649
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: Peter Gammons, and with Justin Fields, I feel like a

650
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: bad bullpen. He can make plays, but if you have

651
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 2: to cover a game and he trails, I'm like, oh

652
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: my god, that's the feeling you get when you don't

653
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: trust your bullpen. In baseball, they're gonna draft Kayleb Williams, Right,

654
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: the Bears would draft Kayleb Williams.

655
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think Drake May's really falling off a cliff.

656
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: I got a draft take. We'll get to here in

657
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I I think I saw a

658
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: report from Glazier that said they'd have to be blown

659
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: away to not roll back with Justin Fields like that.

660
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm not Jays knows all these people really well, but

661
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: that just don't believe it, Like Justin Fields is not

662
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: going to be their quarterback next year. One thing I

663
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: learned actually when I got into football and I worked

664
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: for Pat Hill at Fresno State, and he had learned

665
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: this from working in the NFL for Belichick is how

666
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: worthless highlight tapes are, whether it's for an NFL draft

667
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: prospect or recruiting a high school kid, because, like you said,

668
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: you can manipulate it. You can make any guy look

669
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson.

670
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson's highlight tape was amazing.

671
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: You have to watch games and if you just watch

672
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: a couple plays of Fields, because physically he is an

673
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 1: elite talent, right He's big, he's strong, he could fly,

674
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: he's got a big arm. On any given play, he

675
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: can look remarkable. But over the course of a game

676
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: he's just not very good. Now, even today, coming off

677
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: an injury. He had missed a bunch of games, but

678
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: he was not good before he got it injured. And

679
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: now that's a big part of his game, right our injuries.

680
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: This is a guy that gets banged up a lot

681
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: like say this, Kyler Murray similar in the sense of

682
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: physical freaks, right in terms of speed, arm strength. He's

683
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: shorter obviously than he's a good player. Yeah, Kyler Murray,

684
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: when you watch him, if you're a Texans fan, if

685
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: you're gambling against him, keeps you on the edge of

686
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: your seat.

687
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

688
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: And the one thing I saw today is and this

689
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: is why, and I know Mike Lombardi had been saying,

690
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: you bring him back, you risk the contract that if

691
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: you got injured, you don't have a bunch of money.

692
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: To me, you bring him back one because I don't

693
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: know if any of these players in the draft, including

694
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams, will be as good of a player as

695
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: him when he is healthy. He's a legitimate in the

696
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: mix to be a tough seven Kylor quarterback in the NFL.

697
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: We don't like Arizona's infrastructure, their coach, or their owner.

698
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 2: In a division with McVeigh Pete Carolyn Shanahan, he made

699
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: him a playoff team. Kyler can play.

700
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: I texted a couple execs today, I said, what could

701
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: they get for Kyler? They're like, well, they already paid

702
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: the big bonus and a lot of money in the contract,

703
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: because that's how these NFL contracts work. I think easily

704
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: if he keeps playing like he's looked the last couple

705
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: of weeks physically, they could get a first round pick. Yes, Jason,

706
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: what do you think a couple of seconds? So his

707
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: his value, Like to me, Justin Field's value isn't that great.

708
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: He's still because it's his rookie contract's over. He hasn't

709
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: proven that much beside running around like Kyler has proven

710
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: that he can, even to the day against the Texans,

711
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: who are clearly pretty good. He's taking a team full

712
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: of nobody's running around. You're like, Jesus, guy looks good

713
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: second game off an ACL liner, but he plays the

714
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: quarterback position a little more naturally for a running quarterback,

715
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: where Justin Fields his sweet plays are just runs. But

716
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it's in the natural flow of

717
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah and yeah, so I'm with you, I

718
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, I think Drake May is really fallen for people. Now,

719
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: I think the Oregon and Washington quarterback are gonna be

720
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: fascinating evals. They've continued to excel. But I think Kyler

721
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: is really for a guy. A year ago we were

722
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: all making fun of couldn't stop playing video games in

723
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the contract to then getting injured. Listen, men mature later

724
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: than others, like I matured a lot in my late

725
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: twenties early thirties, So to think that Kyler couldn't grow

726
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: a little bit. They named him a captain and I

727
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: first thought, maybe they're just doing that, you know, to

728
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: increase his value. What if they actually kind of like him? Right?

729
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: How many people do you meet that other people have

730
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: told you, like, this guy's not a great guy, or

731
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: this guy's a bad guy, and then you meet him

732
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: and you kind of like him. What if they just

733
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: have good interactions with him. He's playing well, he's done

734
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: everything they've asked him to do, and they just enjoy

735
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray Kyler Murray experience experience. Plus, their head

736
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: coach was around Jalen Hirts for a couple of years

737
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator, so maybe he knows how dangerous

738
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: guys like this are. If I'm guessing right now Kyler

739
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: Murray is a starting quarterback for the years of the

740
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Cardinals next year.

741
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: So we as we pivot back to Justin Fields, my

742
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: takeaway is they're going to have the first pick, and

743
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 2: because they lost again this was a winnable game they lost,

744
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: they're probably going to have the first pick in the

745
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: fifth or sixth pick, so you know there, Eberflus is done.

746
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: That's done. I don't know about the GM, but Eberflus

747
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 2: is done. This is not one of the richer ownership groups.

748
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: Virginia mccaskey's the oldest owner, one of the forest owners.

749
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: She relied on Bill Pollian to hire eber Flues. I

750
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: think he's done. It's gonna be really interesting the idea.

751
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 2: If you're not gonna take Caleb Williams, okay, there's no

752
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: question somebody else will take it, So you could I mean,

753
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: here's where you could say, Chicago goes Okay, we're gonna

754
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: stick with Justin Field. I wouldn't. I think Caleb Williams

755
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: is absolutely better. I think he's more accurate, he's more natural,

756
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: he's equally as athletic. He's a power thrower and he's

757
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: never been hurt and he gets banged around by us.

758
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 2: He's crappy offensive line. So I'm I am. I think

759
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: if Andrew Luck was a ten prospect, he's an eight

760
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: and a half to a nine, Justin Fields was a six,

761
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: I would do it in a heartbeat. Plus Fields has

762
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 2: been in the NFL several years, He's been hurt a lot,

763
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: like a lot. So but my thing is you could

764
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: get for that pick. If you want to keep Fields, John,

765
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: you know you're getting at least two first ye least

766
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: two first.

767
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: I But to me, it makes no sense to not

768
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: start the clock over right because one of the most

769
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: powerful things a rookie quarterback has is the contract. Well,

770
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: Fields next year will be going into year four, and

771
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's not getting some long term contract.

772
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: So even if you got to unload him for a

773
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: fourth round pick to the Atlanta Falcons, who cares? Because

774
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: I think you're playing with house money with the second pick.

775
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: Then who knows. We've seen some of these teams last year.

776
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: The Lions are a good example. They went from like

777
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: six to twelve, picked up an extra high second round

778
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: pick and got their starting tight end. So you can

779
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: utilize that to gain more picks because they did screw up,

780
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: you know, in my mind, trading for Sweat just given

781
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 1: they could have just paid him that contract on the

782
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: open market and use a second round pick. A second

783
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: round pick are so valuable. But with some of their maneuvering,

784
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: maybe they're viewing we could play around and gain some

785
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: picks back if we use that second round pick to

786
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,720
Speaker 1: move back seven spots, you know, to take an offensive

787
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: lineman at twelve and get an extra second round pick.

788
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: So I guess I could see some logic there if

789
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: that's what they end up doing. But yeah, I mean

790
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: I would be stunned. Now. I think the big picture

791
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: question is gonna because it's already been out there, is

792
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: the Eli Manning John elway are they going to demand?

793
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: Are you know that we're not gonna go there?

794
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: We're a long way.

795
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: I think it's a little harder to do when things

796
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: have not gone super well for you as a player,

797
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: even though it's not all your fault. But you look

798
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: back at Eli Manning. It's not like Ole Miss was

799
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: going twelve to zero when he was playing there, right right,

800
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: But he did have the Manning name and his brother

801
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: was already a superstar. John Elway's another example. I mean,

802
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,959
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure what was Stanford like six and six

803
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: when he came out to the pros, So you could argue, yeah,

804
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: there's seven and five. Who cares? I mean, it's just

805
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: the prospect is separate from the program, which is true.

806
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I think Kayleb Williams the way

807
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: this has played out, I thought Drake May had a

808
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: pretty good shot a month ago, but holy shit, he's

809
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: been a lot worse. Yesterday against a Clemson defense, which

810
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: is really good. He just hasn't looked as good. And

811
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: that's that's part of evaluating the prospect is the more

812
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: games you play, the more I get on you, especially

813
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: when you play better teams. Sam Hartman this year transfers

814
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Could this guy be like a second round

815
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: pick because his first couple games looked incredible. They were

816
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: playing nobody. Then they started playing people, and he looked

817
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: like an undrafted free agent.

818
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: By the way, Pennix in a rain storm made a

819
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: couple of huge throws in that game. Husky, Yeah, Husky's

820
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: never had the ball, but Pennix, to me, Caleb's the

821
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: best quarterback I've seen. Pennix throws the prettiest ball. Bo

822
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: Nicks feels like the best leader. Drake May's got talent,

823
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: but you know it's fallen off. So you and I

824
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: both agree we would take Caleb number one if we

825
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: were the Chicago.

826
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: Bears without a yes right now, yes.

827
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's now let's talk some college football. So

828
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: I was thinking about USC and texting some friends, and

829
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: I said, if you go look at college football, let

830
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: me name the six or seven best programs the last

831
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: eight or nine years. LSU, Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan,

832
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly's Notre Dame teams, Clemson, Oklahoma a little bit,

833
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't quite put him in that class. And

834
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: I said, the one thing they all and Oregon, Oregon's

835
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 2: up there, the one thing they've had in common. It's

836
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: not corners and receivers, it's not quarterbacks. They recruit the

837
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: best large men Oregon, as you well know. Penay Seule's

838
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: another example. I've watched Oregon play twice this year. John.

839
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: They are big, they are Michigan big. They are a

840
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: big team. Washington's talented. They don't look like Oregon. Okay,

841
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: USC has not recruited big people when the best recruited

842
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: are in your staff is a defensive back coach, You're

843
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: in trouble. When Pete was there, the best recruiter was

844
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: ed Orgeron right. USC is small, and Lincoln Riley is

845
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: out here calling plays. That's how micro us he has been.

846
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: They have fallen in love with Sark and Kiffing and

847
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: play callers and play designers. USC is compared to Oregon,

848
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 2: is a small football team. And I've watched them over

849
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: the course of the last several years, and I said,

850
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: they're best recruiter. Every college staff has a guy who

851
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: just recruits. He can't coach. He can recruit USC's best

852
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: recruiters a defensive back coach. Don't know how good of

853
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 2: a coach he is. But the guys in the secondary, certainly,

854
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: they've plateau. They don't get better when people look at

855
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: USC's issues. I just keep saying the same thing. And

856
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: I was told this by an NFL coach three years

857
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: ago who was out of work. Briefly I met at

858
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 2: a practice. He goes, they just don't look like Ohio State.

859
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 2: They don't look like Texas. Even average Texas teams were

860
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: big six seven oer line. USC has one defensive lineman,

861
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: Bear Alexander who will play on Sunday. It's rush ends,

862
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: it's two hundred and seventy five pound defensive linemen. So

863
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: my takeaway is Lin's into this wizardry of play calling.

864
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter they had Sark and Kiffen. They've always

865
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: had good play callers. That's Arizona and Jed Fish. What

866
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: makes you a seven eight top ten program is big

867
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: guys up front.

868
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: It hit me yesterday, think about the dynastyes in college

869
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: football right the last fifteen years. Nick Saban defensive guy,

870
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 1: the current one role in Georgia hasn't lost in forever.

871
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: Defensive guy in the two thousands, Pete Carroll defensive guy.

872
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: Watch Michigan. Now, Harbaugh's a former quarterback, but he probably

873
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: wishes he could have played defensive tackle. Urban Meyer was

874
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: an offensive line guy, or I mean an offensive guy.

875
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 1: He was wide receiver coach. But he doesn't feel that

876
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: way right. He feels like a tough guy in the trenches,

877
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: and that's how he built his teams. Bob Stoop's defensive guy,

878
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: and you watch Lincoln there is and I've been saying

879
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: this forever. You are who your mentors are in football

880
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: because when you're young, it really shapes who you are now.

881
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you can't put your own spin on things.

882
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: But he's a Mike Leach guy. Like that's he's a

883
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Mike Leach guy. Saban is a Belichick guy. Kirby is

884
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: a Saban guy, right, I mean think about that, and

885
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: you watched Kyle Whittingham's another guy who has who is

886
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: wired like a tough guy. Who do he work for?

887
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: Urban Meyer What that program has probably I don't even

888
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: think it gets enough respect for they were in the

889
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: whack fifteen years ago and what they have become in

890
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: the past. They've gone to the Rose Bowl back to

891
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: back years because he values the trenches. And when I

892
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: think about those Pete Carroll teams, it was the offensive

893
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: and defensive line, and I mean that's what Pete.

894
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 2: And linebackers physical, big like bruising, blitzing linebackers.

895
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Can you imagine Lincoln having a trio of Ray mel Luga,

896
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews and Rivers they had the

897
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: kid Rivers, Yeah, because because Cush or was it. Matthews

898
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: didn't even start the one year he was a backup,

899
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: And people like this guy might be the best prospect

900
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: and he's the backup. Uh so, yeah, I just can't

901
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 1: even at Oklahoma. His best teams were all fully loaded

902
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: at the skill guys and the quarterback Kyle Baker, mix In,

903
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, Hollywood Brown, Mark Andrews. But defense was the

904
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: reason they couldn't win it. They had, they had a

905
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: they had a championship level offense, but they were soft

906
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: on defense. I don't think you fake that. Well, that's

907
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: who you are, that's what you recruit. It's what you

908
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: see in recruiting. Because he was trained through his first

909
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: ten years of football as a player and then he

910
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 1: went into coaching even before he was done by Leach.

911
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: And what to me that it's kind of like the

912
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: Mike D'Antoni of football. Offense, offense, offense, offense, offense. Well,

913
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: that's never gonna win in It didn't win twenty years ago,

914
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: it doesn't win now because you're gonna have to play Kirby,

915
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to play Nick. You're gonna have to

916
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: play Ohio State or Michigan. Both those two teams have

917
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: NFL guys everywhere.

918
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: Here's something else you never see. Tennessee may lose, but Mike.

919
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: Players are respectful, almost intimidated by the physical presence of Rabel.

920
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Same with Tomlin, same with Dan Campbell. I mean, if

921
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: I said to you who plays hardest in the league,

922
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: I could say Pittsburgh and Detroit. Those players respect that.

923
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 2: Dan and Mike Tomalin are men. When you watch Alabama

924
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 2: when they struggled early this year, they played their ass off.

925
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: They were just incredibly limited at quarterback. Jim Harbaugh's team

926
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 2: play hard USC against UCLA in the biggest game for

927
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: the school in the alumni mailed it in they don't

928
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: respect Lincoln. Lincoln. Lincoln is very twenty twenty three is

929
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 2: like media people. It's treat the player great, and it's

930
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 2: all about the player, and it's all about the play calling.

931
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: I thought the effort by USC was disrespectful to the

932
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: coaching staff at USC. Chip Kelly's on the hot seat.

933
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: That team was high fiving, fist pumping, jumping up and down,

934
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: played with incredible intensity. USC acted like they didn't want

935
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: to be there. And to me, that goes back to

936
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: the coach. If you have limitations. I mean, Chip's got

937
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: some limitations at quarterback right now. There's not a lot

938
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 2: he can do right you and I watch. You watch

939
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: certain teams and you just say, you know, there's limitations

940
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: for Pete Carroll. What is he going to do at

941
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: quarterback when Gino's out and Drew Lot comes in. There's

942
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 2: nothing you can do. If I was a USC administrator

943
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: or a booster like that team, they they didn't respect Lincoln.

944
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: That was an absolutely lethargic effort.

945
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: We talked about it last week. You know my thoughts

946
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: on geographically the fit, I think it's clearly really weird.

947
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a mercenary element because a lot of

948
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: times in college football, when I get a star coach,

949
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: I get him from another program that's not on my level.

950
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: Like Florida got Urban from Utah. USC got Pete Carroll

951
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: he was out of work. Washington got Chris Peterson from Boise.

952
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: It's usually it means a lot to them. Like when

953
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: you look at Kirby Smart or Nick Saban, Ryan Day

954
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: or we're obviously Jim Harball. Their program means everything. Usually

955
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: you don't get Oklahoma to USC, right, you would go

956
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: from I don't know, like in Arizona State you win

957
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: twelve games back to back years and then USC gets you,

958
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: and it means a lot to you watch Lincoln Riley.

959
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: He's there for one one reason only. They gve him

960
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty million dollars. Yeah, and there's an

961
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: apathy to me when you watch the program. I had

962
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: a scout tell me he thinks going to a lot

963
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: of these programs and he's been on the road for

964
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: twenty plus years. The rivalries are not the same with

965
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: all the transferring. It used to be embedded in you, right,

966
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: like a family. You're taught from the moment you get

967
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: into the program and by the time. It's why when

968
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 1: you hear older NFL players in their thirties talk about

969
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: a certain rivalry. If you're Ohio State game, the Michigan gamer,

970
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: you're a Bama guy, the Auburn gamer, duke North Carolina,

971
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 1: it means it was ingrained into them in the moment

972
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: they Now it's kind of become a little which I'm

973
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: for transferring. It's awesome with the quarterbacks, but you're watching

974
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: some of these games. I didn't think it meant anything

975
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: to usc anything. And I mean personally, I know I'm

976
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: not as big a Chip Kelly guy. I don't think

977
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: he cares that much about the program. But like his

978
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: clearly cared more than Lincoln, and two games matter a

979
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: lot to USC people like are their rivals Notre Dame

980
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: and UCLA. Yep, you know, the the Utah game, the

981
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: Oregon game, the Washington game. Obviously, especially Oregon Washington. They're

982
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: better than you. I think people can stomach that. But

983
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: to get be lifeless against those two teams imagic. Being

984
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: the sixty year old guy who's been cutting big checks

985
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: is a big part of the program that those two

986
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: nights a year mean a lot to that individual. And listen,

987
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: I he's not gonna go anywhere because of the contract,

988
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: but I just don't see the fit. I don't see

989
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: it working. And you have to wonder if there are

990
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people like, oh my, because at least

991
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: with Chip right, he's not the amount of money they

992
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: paid him, even though I think he got a contract

993
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: extension whatever last year. It's not nearly on the level.

994
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: I mean, this is like a Jimbo Fisher level on

995
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 1: steroids contract. So you're just kind of got to make

996
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,320
Speaker 1: this work, and it's by you. If I would have

997
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: told you at the beginning of the season that they

998
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: went seven to five, you would have said, well, Caleb

999
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: shatters his leg early on in the season, maybe like

1000
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator gets fired after week you would have

1001
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: said insane, It would have been impossible, like an awful

1002
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: year for them, felt like on paper nine and three right,

1003
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: they didn't beat anybody that they should have been. And honestly,

1004
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: they're very, very lucky to win that Arizona game. They

1005
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: easily could be six and six. Yes, to me, they're

1006
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: much closer to six and sixteen than they are nine

1007
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: and three teen.

1008
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: Yep, Arizona had them. Okay, one more college topic Harball,

1009
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: so the Big ten punishment is done. I do think

1010
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 2: it will be very hard, even at home, even with

1011
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: a superior team, to beat Ohio State without a coach,

1012
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: but it's certainly possible. So the feeling the reporting Bruce

1013
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: Feldman among others on Harball is okay. NCAA punishment is

1014
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: going to be far worse. People are saying he won't

1015
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 2: be allowed next year to be on the sideline, and

1016
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 2: I'll just give you my my take on that. So

1017
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: the LA Chargers will not pay for Harball. They just

1018
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 2: won't stop the Spanosys do. Chicago's a mess. You start

1019
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 2: looking around, Washington's interesting, but they don't have a quarterback.

1020
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: The idea that Harbor says, Okay, I can't be on

1021
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: the sidelines next year. According to the NCAA, I lose

1022
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: twenty scholarships over three years. It's a pretty stack roster.

1023
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: Even with their NFL losses. This is now a completely

1024
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: two team. It's a two team conference. Oregon Washington will

1025
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: be viable. US he's a mess and UCLA is not

1026
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 2: in Michigan's class. And I thought I could see Harbaugh saying, Hey,

1027
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: I got my kids, my dad lives next to me

1028
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: in an arbor. I'm gonna stay here. I did the NFL,

1029
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: I got to a Super Bowl? Is that my legacy?

1030
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 2: Now I'm not. I'm not leaving Michigan. And it wouldn't

1031
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: hurt him if they don't win the National Championship. You

1032
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: can't take it from him. If you vacated wins that

1033
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: never ding Pete Carroll, nobody gives a rip about that.

1034
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: If you don't let him be in the sidelines, I

1035
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: think you and I would agree they'd still win ten

1036
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,919
Speaker 2: games next year. I mean, the key is coaching. That's

1037
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 2: the key that it's the weak, it's the preparation, it's

1038
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 2: not the management. Of a cup. I mean, Harbaugh isn't

1039
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: a guy barking in a headset throughout the course of

1040
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 2: a game. He's not. He's a very much a mentor

1041
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 2: to his He coaches, coaches.

1042
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't call the plays calling. He's a motive. He's

1043
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: a figurehead kind.

1044
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 2: Of right, So like Lincoln Riley's are calling play that's

1045
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: not what he does. In mind takeaways, they'd win ten

1046
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 2: games without him on the sideline. They wouldn't beat Ohio.

1047
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 2: They wouldn't beat Ohio State in Columbus next year. But

1048
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: I think they get Penn stayed at home. The schedule

1049
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: is pretty favorable next year. Your thoughts on they end

1050
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: up either winning the Natty or finishing second. George is

1051
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: playing very well right now. He stays through fairly punitive

1052
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: discipline because he his takeaway is this is my legacy

1053
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: and I'm going to stick it out. I think we

1054
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: all a lot of people believe he's going to the NFL.

1055
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 2: I do not think there's many good jobs. I think

1056
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 2: the Charger is it, and I don't think they'd hire him.

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00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's two things on the big picture

1058
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: with Jim Harbaugh. I do think he's kind of just

1059
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: found his role. You know, Michigan's embraced him finally. It

1060
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: really works. He always kind of has that chip on

1061
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: his shoulder naturally, and now they got it back again

1062
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: when they're playing, and he's built the best team that

1063
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: he's had since he's been there, obviously, and he's gonna

1064
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: have moving forward. He got the kids all wearing the

1065
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: shirts like, it's kind of perfect for him. So yeah,

1066
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think there's a very good chance.

1067
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: And clearly what he means to them for them being

1068
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: this good, it's a twelve million dollars coach. Even if

1069
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 1: he gets suspended, who cares. I know, when you got

1070
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: an elite guy like it does not matter. And clearly

1071
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: they have no chance to upgrade, so they are going

1072
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: to have to throw an enormous contract in front of them,

1073
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: which clearly they already had, and then this came up.

1074
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna change anything. The Raiders would

1075
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: be the one curve ball. But if even today they lost,

1076
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 1: but Antonio Pierce has proven to be maybe I think

1077
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: it's much easier for Mark Davis just to roll with him,

1078
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: not to pay as much and just take a deep

1079
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: breath for a couple of years. Yeah, I think Antonio

1080
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Pierce says like the lead on that job, So I'm

1081
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: with you. The Bears and Chargers would be out short term. Though.

1082
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: This quarterback's making me a little nervous because we all

1083
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 1: annointed him. He looked really good the Penn State game.

1084
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: He's kind of got some twenty nineteen Jimmy Garoppolo vibes

1085
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: right now. They don't trust him. He throw a terrible

1086
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: pick in the Maryland game in the red zone. They

1087
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: didn't have him throw a past the previous week, partly

1088
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: because they didn't need to, but also is this guy

1089
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 1: playing his best football right now? So the way he's playing,

1090
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: do I trust them without Gym on the sideline, even

1091
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: if he is just their motivation style makes me a

1092
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: little nervous. But I do think this is gonna be

1093
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: Jim's finest hour this week. I mean, he's back to

1094
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: the forty nine er gays to the hell of the

1095
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: peak when they beat Pete Carroll is a forty one point.

1096
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: It's not the game, it's what he does leading up.

1097
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get him. That place is gonna

1098
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 1: be going bananas.

1099
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 2: It will be the highest rated college football game. Maybe

1100
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: since USC Tech it could be fifteen millions.

1101
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: Well, I saw, I looked it up. This week. Seventeen

1102
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: million people watched the twenty two game, which was the

1103
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: highest rated game in a decade. So if seventeen million

1104
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: watched last year, I mean, are they getting twenty this year?

1105
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: And that's that's like an NFL Monday night football game

1106
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: or something that's an enormous Yeah, watching football today because

1107
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this all. The Giant should just lose

1108
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: like the Packers, just mail it in. The one major difference,

1109
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, the NBA has really battled the tanking no

1110
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: one takes in the NFL, even the shitty teams give you.

1111
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: The Giants are rolling out Tommy DeVito, who die hard

1112
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: football people couldn't point out of a lineup, and they're

1113
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: playing their ass off against the divisional opponent, the Bears today,

1114
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean, are giving you everything they have against a

1115
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: Lions team that's gonna win thirteen or fourteen games. Listen,

1116
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: we can talk all we want about the product these

1117
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks hitting injured, but at least on any given game,

1118
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: regardless of the opponents, you get everyone's best effort. It

1119
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: may not always result in wins. But there's no like

1120
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: we're just gonna mail it in today, or oh, this

1121
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: guy's not gonna play, or this coach doesn't give a shit.

1122
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: That's not the case with the NFL at all. And that's,

1123
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, a big variable that has helped

1124
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: separate the NFL as baseball and basketball just give up

1125
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: on the season, you know, a quarter of the way in.

1126
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting you said that on JJ McCarthy.

1127
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm not a huge fan. I'm not. I think he's undisciplined.

1128
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily love his personality. If you told me

1129
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,479
Speaker 2: today who I had to pick an order, it would

1130
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:35,439
Speaker 2: be Caleb. I just want to dig deeper on Drake

1131
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 2: may Panix Bonix, the kid at Duke is interesting. Again,

1132
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 2: Let's just wait and see what transpires. I am not

1133
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 2: a JJ McCarthy fan. First of all, he misses some

1134
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: easy stuff. By the way Matt Stafford did today, you

1135
00:58:54,600 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: know they do like he misses easy stuff. But that

1136
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: I don't worry about Harbaugh not being on the sideline

1137
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: against the Ohio State in ann Arbor with this roster.

1138
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: I worry about JJ McCarthy. I'm just not sold on him.

1139
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 2: I just I think he's loose. I think he's a

1140
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 2: little cocky. I think he misses easy stuff. I don't

1141
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan.

1142
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: Well think about this too. The majority of their games

1143
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 1: these last couple of years with him as a starter

1144
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: have been pretty easy, right when you watch Pennix and

1145
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: bo Nix, I mean those guys.

1146
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: Pennix is in wild games every year.

1147
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: But he but going back to Indiana, he has played

1148
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: in games where to just put his team in position,

1149
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 1: he had to be unreal for the most part. JJ McCarthy.

1150
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: Some of these lines, I mean they are beating the

1151
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: living you know what out of just these teams that

1152
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: have no shot the moment they get off the bus

1153
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: against Michigan. So you get in some of these tight spots,

1154
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,919
Speaker 1: it's like, God, does this guy even know what he's doing?

1155
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: And he does not feel as confident, he does not

1156
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: feel as calm. I also think we're too quick to

1157
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: like this guy has to come out. Maybe this I actually

1158
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: just stay in college all four or five years, however

1159
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 1: long he has eligibility. He's still an underclassman. He doesn't

1160
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: have to come out in the NFL. So, like I,

1161
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: at one point in time, people were talking about this

1162
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: guy being a top ten pick. To me, he is

1163
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: not remotely close to that now. And obviously this week

1164
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: is enormous. At some of these playoff games, if he

1165
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: plays in them, we'll be huge. But that Maryland game,

1166
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: and even going back to the Penn State game, what

1167
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: they didn't have him do I think is very reflective

1168
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: of their trust in the guy right now. And you

1169
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 1: can't tell me, and I don't even know like what

1170
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: the you know the parameters are of the suspension, but

1171
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: that Harbaugh didn't text him on at halftime at the

1172
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: Penn State game and said, we're not throwing the ball.

1173
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan, NFC Championship. Do not. They cannot move the ball,

1174
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 1: run the ball every play. Do not let our quarterback

1175
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: screw us and give them a fumble six or a

1176
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: pick six. They are not scoring the ball. And I

1177
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: think it was a little they didn't have a choice

1178
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: this week where they had to have him throw a

1179
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: little bit, and you were just like holding on for

1180
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: dear life.

1181
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: All right, almost an hour. John Middlecoff forummer NFL Scout.

1182
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 2: He's at the volume three and out. He'll be all

1183
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: over Thanksgiving weekend. I will as well, all exciting stuff.

1184
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: As always, my man, we talked to a little Packers

1185
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 2: and Chargers, some justin fields Detroit and Chicago. For the record,

1186
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: got to give Detroit credit. They've lost that game for

1187
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: fifty years. They were outplayed, didn't play well. Fell behind

1188
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 2: the fact they came back and dominate the last quarter.

1189
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: They haven't done that my entire life. Like I said

1190
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: to myself, Okay, this is a different Detroit team. They've

1191
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: lost that game every single time they get out played.

1192
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: It's over. This is a totally different Lions Team's.

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01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 1: Stat of the day. They're eight and two. It is

1194
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 1: the best start for the franchise since nineteen sixty two.

1195
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty two. That's in me shows he at this

1196
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: point in time, is the lock coach of the year

1197
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: right given the franchise that he's taken to be a

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Speaker 1: Even if they end up with a three seed, I

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: don't care. You win twelve plus game for the Detroit Lions.

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01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: What a year, what a game.

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