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Speaker 1: Savannah Humoler, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 3: And it's time for another edition of Mickshots as March
Speaker 3: madness turns into April gladness. Wow, the NFL Draft twenty
Speaker 3: four days away. That's right, and we're here to talk
Speaker 3: about it in much much more. Bill Jones, Savannah Humohler,
Speaker 3: who enjoyed some who did some draft scouting at eight
Speaker 3: eight game yesterday. Everson Walls, whose Grambling team was an
Speaker 3: NCAA tournament team this year, very briefly, and Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 3: whose Missouri Tigers.
Speaker 4: Are playing baseball now, okay, Oh, everybody, have a good weekend. Yes,
Speaker 4: I did watch a lot of basketball, some football.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The UFL season began on Saturday in Arlington Stadium. Bob
Speaker 3: stoops Arlington Renegades at Champion Champions.
Speaker 4: I watched the second half of Saint Louis Michigan.
Speaker 3: You saw the sixty four yard field goals to win
Speaker 3: the game. Yes, there's another Brandon Aubrey head the NFL.
Speaker 3: Jake Bates shape.
Speaker 5: We're in good shape.
Speaker 4: Bates his first kick since high school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't even the kicker at he went to Arkansas,
Speaker 3: but he was the kickoff specialist.
Speaker 4: He went to Central.
Speaker 3: Oh I saw that he was from marketas.
Speaker 4: Wait went to Central Arkansas, then went to Arkansas State
Speaker 4: as a kickoff specialist. Never tried anybody. Then he went
Speaker 4: to Arkansas as a kickoff specialist. Never tried a field goal.
Speaker 5: And he's so he kicked it, just didn't kick field goals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, he was a soccer player too, by the way.
Speaker 4: And then first kicking, he lines up his own forty
Speaker 4: six yard line and I'm sitting here going are you
Speaker 4: kidding me? And then here's the kicker, no pun He
Speaker 4: hit from sixty four right after they called time out,
Speaker 4: so he had to do it twice. Wow them and
Speaker 4: he hit both of them.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 4: And they were suggesting that it would have been good
Speaker 4: from seventy did you think that? Yeah, he cleared it, oh,
Speaker 4: right out in the middle.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 4: It was pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: Great.
Speaker 4: I also did some scouting. I believe it was number
Speaker 4: sixty nine for Michigan UH center guard Cole Cabral six
Speaker 4: five three forty. I saw him wipe out two guys
Speaker 4: on one plane. He got off the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 4: took care of the linebacker, then went and got the safety.
Speaker 4: And I said, if that guy's that mean, I need
Speaker 4: him on my team. Now he's only been on practice squad, so.
Speaker 5: There's gotta be some something's wrong wrong.
Speaker 3: Keep an eye on him, but keep an eye usually
Speaker 3: usually for player nothing against the UFL. Yeah, but usually
Speaker 3: something's gone wrong.
Speaker 4: Right right, but you never know.
Speaker 5: Just one time, you never know.
Speaker 4: You never know what Brandon Aubrey shows up right or
Speaker 4: Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 3: That's right, exactly right.
Speaker 5: So well, I had the amazing experience.
Speaker 6: It's this weekend the high school sports magazine McDonald's All
Speaker 6: American Football Team banquet.
Speaker 7: I spoke that really had a good time was Padre Island.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I look darker than that. You
Speaker 7: know now you're still feel in South Padre Ish.
Speaker 3: The McDonald's All America team, I think of basketball for
Speaker 3: the McDonald's. So there's a McDonald's All American Football Team
Speaker 3: team banquet.
Speaker 5: YEP, that's exactly what. It was a coaches convention that
Speaker 5: they had down.
Speaker 6: There, and some of the kids there were actually McDonald
Speaker 6: all Americans.
Speaker 5: Did a good job. Good Joby Rollins was there.
Speaker 6: Nico from the Texans, the wide receiver number twelve, Nico, and.
Speaker 5: Nico is a whole forehead taller than I am. Nicole
Speaker 5: Collins Collins, thank you.
Speaker 6: He's an entire forehead taller than I am. Taking pictures
Speaker 6: with him, thinking what would I do with this guy?
Speaker 6: That's all I could think, What would I do with
Speaker 6: this guy that's the new wide receiver speaker? And he
Speaker 6: left me hanging big time.
Speaker 4: He didn't speak, so you like, and then you had.
Speaker 3: Exactly thanks dude during my speech.
Speaker 6: That's exactly what I said. But we had a good
Speaker 6: time down there. The kids down there are great down
Speaker 6: in the valley as they call it. Uh, you know
Speaker 6: you've got the Edinburgh's, the mccallen's all.
Speaker 3: Down there Far sand One Element.
Speaker 5: Thank you for exactly. They had a kid from far Yeah.
Speaker 4: Really And by the way, Savannah and I did some
Speaker 4: scouting at the Big twelve.
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh he did.
Speaker 8: It was a great I watched.
Speaker 4: The running backs run the forties.
Speaker 5: And what did you see?
Speaker 4: They had numbers on, So if you didn't have a roster,
Speaker 4: you had no idea who they were, right, but you
Speaker 4: can watch it and kind of predict four, five for six, whatever.
Speaker 3: So anybody catch you.
Speaker 6: You give us a number of someone who was the
Speaker 6: best running back in the Big twelve this year.
Speaker 4: Well, he's not in the state.
Speaker 3: He's got school, Ollie Gordon, Texas seven, Texas is not
Speaker 3: considered to be in the Big twelve for Big twelve
Speaker 3: Pro Days and so, which was then I was going,
Speaker 3: could be playing here.
Speaker 4: So they're having the Big twelve Pro Days and Texas
Speaker 4: had their own. So I was thinking, what's the deal.
Speaker 4: I go, oh, they're in the SEC. Yeah, doesn't count.
Speaker 4: Did you see anything that when you peeked.
Speaker 8: In, you know, nothing that really stuck out to me.
Speaker 8: They only had three quarterbacks there. And then I was
Speaker 8: watching some of the wide receiver drills and some of
Speaker 8: the running back drills, but I didn't watch anybody receivers
Speaker 8: that came out right. There were some guys there, some patches. Again,
Speaker 8: nobody that like totally stuck out to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just like you. And then they worked out again
Speaker 4: on Saturday. Friday was interview day. I guess they conducted interviews.
Speaker 6: So so you got nobody that was I can't help you,
Speaker 6: you know, I just this is the.
Speaker 5: Big twelve you're talking about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's minus Texas and Oklahoma.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this is the Big twelve you're talking about.
Speaker 3: But still they're not They're wearing a lot of first round.
Speaker 5: Draft round picks right now. Yeah.
Speaker 3: You mentioned Texas running back from Texas Jonathan Brooks, who's
Speaker 3: coming off in a c L. He would be one
Speaker 3: to keep your eye on.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, there's a lot of people looking at him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so.
Speaker 4: What about their didn't they have a backup guy.
Speaker 5: That was well too?
Speaker 3: Shard Choice is producing running backs at a record setting
Speaker 3: pace there to Shard is the running backs coach at
Speaker 3: Texas and in last year's draft, Yes, in last year's
Speaker 3: draft pretty good. He had the Robinson and Roshawn Johnson
Speaker 3: who went to the Bears. And he also, prior to
Speaker 3: coming to Texas, he was at Georgia Tech.
Speaker 5: And so we can't get rid of him that because
Speaker 5: he coached Gabbs.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and so now he's got another prospect to
Speaker 3: there doesn't appear to be a running back that'll likely
Speaker 3: go in the first round. But Jonathan Brooks of Texas
Speaker 3: is probably the top running back if he was if
Speaker 3: he wasn't coming off the ACL, he'd be sure the
Speaker 3: top running back coming out.
Speaker 4: And was he the one that doctor Cooper did the
Speaker 4: yes surgery?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. So that's a name to remember. Another
Speaker 3: name to remember that Savannah watched yesterday at the AAC.
Speaker 3: Who would that name to be remembered be?
Speaker 8: That would be DJ Burns Junior looked like a d lineman.
Speaker 3: On the court, or he could with the he's already
Speaker 3: what is he listed at? He's six nine to seven,
Speaker 3: but he's probably more like six seven. Yeah, he's not
Speaker 3: six ' nine yeah, and that was the way seventy
Speaker 3: five either. So is he a defensive lineman or is
Speaker 3: he an offensive tackle?
Speaker 4: You know what I just read something. People were looking
Speaker 4: at him as an offensive.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, you want an offensive lineman
Speaker 6: with good feet like that? Uh huh, Yes, I'd say
Speaker 6: offensive lineman, That's what I would say.
Speaker 4: And he's left handed lift tackle. But you know what,
Speaker 4: well we.
Speaker 3: Said last week a week ago. See my sister who
Speaker 3: is a loyal listener to mix shots, although apparently not
Speaker 3: apparently not in the off season, because she texted me
Speaker 3: yesterday and said, this dude for MC State, he looks
Speaker 3: like he could play in the NFL. And I said,
Speaker 3: did you not listen to mix shots last week? We
Speaker 3: talked about him last week that he needed to go
Speaker 3: to the Big twelve pro days and then they would
Speaker 3: have a first round prospect here.
Speaker 4: So when I was reading, I was reading something about
Speaker 4: him today this morning, and how about this for a misprint?
Speaker 4: It said he poured in twenty nine pounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're thinking about.
Speaker 4: Great feet, and I read.
Speaker 5: Could you imagine him pulling around there? Somebody? Could you
Speaker 5: imagine him on the pool?
Speaker 4: Somebody called Jim Nagy, the director of the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 4: to kind of ask about him, and he said he
Speaker 4: got texts from several NFL GMS, assistant GMS and scouting
Speaker 4: director express throing interest in him. If he doesn't go
Speaker 4: to the NBA, I'm sure and they're looking at him,
Speaker 4: probably as an offensive tack which made me think back
Speaker 4: to rayfield Wright. If you remember when he went to
Speaker 4: Fort Fallace State, he went as a basketball and the
Speaker 4: football coach had to basically bribe him to go play football,
Speaker 4: and after his junior year, the Cincinnati Royals drafted him
Speaker 4: in the first round. He was going to go and
Speaker 4: play with Oscar Robertson.
Speaker 5: Is that crazy right? Have you heard them tell that story? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 5: crazy man?
Speaker 4: And he went back because he had promised his mom
Speaker 4: that he would graduate college, so he passed up on
Speaker 4: NBA career as well.
Speaker 5: Let's look at big man, so junior CJ junior DJ.
Speaker 3: What's his name, DJ?
Speaker 4: DJ Burns, who's who is not quite as big as
Speaker 4: his dad, So he's got room to grow.
Speaker 5: Oh, don't say that.
Speaker 6: What you need is when you go to the NFL
Speaker 6: at that size, how long do you think he can
Speaker 6: last on the NBA level? I mean you're talking NCAA
Speaker 6: and he's really dominating, But how long do you think
Speaker 6: someone at that size can last NBA?
Speaker 4: In a gaze?
Speaker 5: I don't think in the season, and it's just a season.
Speaker 6: Well, and especially I'm not trying to diminish his abilities
Speaker 6: at all, but it's tough to get up and down
Speaker 6: the field on an NBA level.
Speaker 5: At that size.
Speaker 6: So everyone is obviously optimistic or pessimistic. Howpy you look
Speaker 6: at it and say that's going to be his next
Speaker 6: choice is coming to the NFL.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny you mentioned that because I watched him
Speaker 3: not only this week, but the previous weekend. In fact,
Speaker 3: they played Texas Tech in the first game in Tech
Speaker 3: couldn't handle not only him but the other post players
Speaker 3: they had. But anyway, so I'm watching him the last
Speaker 3: two weeks and I can't get Oliver Miller out of
Speaker 3: my mind. And as a.
Speaker 5: Matter of fact, this is that's a compliment.
Speaker 3: And Oliver Miller in nineteen ninety at Reunion Arena in Dallas,
Speaker 3: watch Arkansas played Texas in the Elite eight. And I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there yesterday afternoon. It's like history is repeating itself
Speaker 3: here thirty four years later, there's the big oh, Oliver
Speaker 3: Miller playing again in downtown Dallas with a chance to
Speaker 3: go to the Final four. And Arkansas went to the
Speaker 3: Final four back then and now DJ Burns is But
Speaker 3: to your point on I just looked up Oliver Miller
Speaker 3: in his NBA career. He played in the NBA from
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two to twenty ten. No wait a second,
Speaker 3: that's not right, No way, that can't be right. Twelve
Speaker 3: years twenty ten is incorrect. Now he played Okay, he
Speaker 3: played Get This on Oliver Miller. He played ninety two
Speaker 3: through two thousand in the NBA and then he played
Speaker 3: for the I can't even pronounce the name, the Southern
Speaker 3: California Surf, the Gary Steelheads, the Dodge City Legend, Wow,
Speaker 3: Dakota Wizards. The other names overseas I can't pronounce until
Speaker 3: twenty ten. But anyway, there's a picture of him at
Speaker 3: a later in life where he was pushing probably four
Speaker 3: bills and he uh and I'm a suggestion to DJ
Speaker 3: Burns is make sure you stay on stay away from
Speaker 3: the optical machine.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, he's sort of built its kind of strangely. He's
Speaker 4: big from the hips up. His legs are small, are
Speaker 4: not that big.
Speaker 6: That's good, that's why. That's why he's able to maneuver.
Speaker 6: So well, yeah, you're big enough already up top. You
Speaker 6: do need nimble legs. I mean, he's he seems to
Speaker 6: be nimbling.
Speaker 3: So do you think as the Cowboys reported back today
Speaker 3: and other NFL teams report back to work in the
Speaker 3: office today and they're just.
Speaker 4: Over they're doing the same thing, working water cooler, saying
Speaker 4: what do you think about this guy?
Speaker 3: You know? And they're probably having the same conference.
Speaker 6: You've only had two guys that. Two other guys that
Speaker 6: I can think of, Oliver Miller and big Baby from LSU.
Speaker 5: Oh, Glenn Davis.
Speaker 4: Glenn Davis.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's the only two that I mean
Speaker 6: too well. It really Big Davis wasn't nearly as big
Speaker 6: as I don't think he was big as a Miller.
Speaker 4: And he seems to have the nature that could play
Speaker 4: football because he's pretty serious. He's not out there being goofy.
Speaker 5: He's smart well.
Speaker 8: The way he could even block and then push some
Speaker 8: people back, like to get into a certain area that
Speaker 8: he needed, or to make a pass like it looked
Speaker 8: almost like he had the stance to play the.
Speaker 6: Offensive lineman of the most intellectual on the team.
Speaker 5: He would that.
Speaker 4: I spoke with it and doing he was doing well.
Speaker 4: The last thing I heard, he goes, I'm having some
Speaker 4: good days and bad days. But I talked to him.
Speaker 4: So he had surgery on Tuesday. I talked to him
Speaker 4: on Friday, and he was hoping to go home on Saturday,
Speaker 4: but he was already star in his rehab. I said,
Speaker 4: when did you start your rehab? He goes Tuesday afternoon
Speaker 4: Tuesday night, and I said all replacement dual needed. Both
Speaker 4: needs done. So basically the knees are good. He's just
Speaker 4: got to recover from the surgery and you know going
Speaker 4: through the whole deal. Uh yeah, he did it. Nate
Speaker 4: and Frisco.
Speaker 5: Well, Nate, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I heard Nate could dunkle basketball back of the Florida
Speaker 6: and m I believe that.
Speaker 5: I believe it too.
Speaker 6: I heard that from several sources. So could you imagine him,
Speaker 6: I think at the time around two eighty five.
Speaker 5: Dunk in the basketball.
Speaker 4: Larry Allen when he had his tryout at Sonoma State,
Speaker 4: the guy that brought him in, that did the scouting
Speaker 4: and basically got him out of South l A. And
Speaker 4: he told the head coach at Mistate that I got
Speaker 4: this great athlete and I've heard that he can dunk
Speaker 4: a basketball. And the head coach was like, yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: another one of these. So they bring him in. Larry
Speaker 4: shows it up in a all white kind of silky
Speaker 4: warm up suit, right, and the.
Speaker 5: Sister was making an impression assist.
Speaker 4: The coach goes, okay, go show the coach you can dunk.
Speaker 4: He doesn't run. He stands underneath the basket and dunks
Speaker 4: the ball and the head coach goes, yeah, we might
Speaker 4: be able to fight a spot for him on our team,
Speaker 4: and the rest is history.
Speaker 5: That's when you know athletes. Baby.
Speaker 6: Now, when you look at DJ, if I was going
Speaker 6: to compare him to anyone physically, it would be Larry Allen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I was going to do that.
Speaker 6: Of course, he's a little taller I guess than Larry,
Speaker 6: but I would say that interesting.
Speaker 5: Look.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, so what else? We got a few
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes two minute warning before our first
Speaker 3: break here, I've got a hypothetical I'm going to present
Speaker 3: to you in regards to quarterbacks and just a little bit.
Speaker 4: But what else is all by the way, and so
Speaker 4: this will just be some clerical work. But the Cowboys
Speaker 4: off season programs, Phase one will begin April fifteenth, So
Speaker 4: what you see guys doing now is basically volunteer, just
Speaker 4: doing strength and conditioning. Phase one is twelve days, Phase
Speaker 4: two three weeks, and then the OTAs begin May twenty first,
Speaker 4: twenty third. And as a reminder, the Cowboys only have
Speaker 4: two of those three day sessions because they got penalized
Speaker 4: last year for being too rough. I forgot about that, remember, yeah, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 4: somebody complained. So they only you get three you get
Speaker 4: ten days of OTA. They only get to three day sessions.
Speaker 3: Oh so they got penalized like two wars in a row,
Speaker 3: four days or four days, yeah, usually the tenth day, right,
Speaker 3: so they got basically got penalized three days. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: one full week worth because they usually do it.
Speaker 5: No money, just lack of a just took practice.
Speaker 4: I think Mike got fined because if you noticed when
Speaker 4: he did the Coaches Breakfast Day interview and he kind
Speaker 4: of just passing by said oh yeah, I saw Dak
Speaker 4: working out, which he was right this morning, and immediately
Speaker 4: somebody says, well, did you talk to him? What did
Speaker 4: you have to say? And he goes, oh, no, no,
Speaker 4: I just saw him. I can't talk to him. Okay
Speaker 4: about that. I would have made that clear I saw him.
Speaker 5: I didn't talk to Oh good news though, Hey Zeke
Speaker 5: is coming back. Did you hear that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get into that would build teases whatever he's
Speaker 4: getting more.
Speaker 3: There's mutual interest. There's a report out there. There's mutual interest.
Speaker 4: Right, there should be through the Great bron I heard
Speaker 4: he's also costing him six million in dead money.
Speaker 3: You might as well have him here for that.
Speaker 4: Right, he'll play for two or three million, which is
Speaker 4: what he did last year. He paid for three million
Speaker 4: last year. Since we ran down this rabbit hole, had
Speaker 4: fifty one percent of the snaps, rushed for six hundred
Speaker 4: and forty two yards and had fifty one catches for
Speaker 4: three thirteen and two.
Speaker 3: Millions from yards from scrimmage. He had nearly one thousand
Speaker 3: yards last year.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Yeoman's work last year.
Speaker 4: That was and they lost their lead running back demandre
Speaker 4: is it Stevens something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he's still with them. Romandre Stevens. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: but he was injured. He was injured during the season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so, but is better Zeke. I'm telling you Zeke
Speaker 3: is better. I know Romandre Stevenson because he played at
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and there are things that Romandre Stevenson can do.
Speaker 3: Zeke's better running back than Romandre Stevenson. Even now, I
Speaker 3: would endorse it fully. I'm not saying you don't if
Speaker 3: Jonathan Brooks.
Speaker 4: Is there, you know, but the veteran guy.
Speaker 5: I want a veteran guy. That's what I want.
Speaker 4: And his agents and they've got Rico Daldel coming back.
Speaker 4: They're starting to throw chum out there. Everybody's going, oh,
Speaker 4: cowboys are interested. I mean the Cowboys are interested, by god,
Speaker 4: everybody else.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the other thing.
Speaker 4: If and he still lives here from.
Speaker 3: But from Zeke's perspective, one of the main reasons he
Speaker 3: knows that he's not going to Any of the running
Speaker 3: backs out there are not going to command any amount
Speaker 3: of money beyond what Zeke made last year for sure,
Speaker 3: and probably less than that. Why would Zeke go sign
Speaker 3: anywhere else? As long as there's a glimmer of hope
Speaker 3: that he could come back here and.
Speaker 4: He lived those state income tax right so iron Smith,
Speaker 4: Hey that state income.
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Speaker 3: the what's the latest on the situation with Dak and
Speaker 3: the Cowboys?
Speaker 4: Nothing? Uh, they only restructured the five million dollars roster bonus,
Speaker 4: so it saved him like four million dollars. But as
Speaker 4: for a contract, they keep saying, yeah, they want to
Speaker 4: do it, but they're in no hurry. And I don't
Speaker 4: know if that's a negotiating ploy, like we've given you
Speaker 4: an offer that you didn't accept and so we're not
Speaker 4: in any hurry, and if they're trying to put the
Speaker 4: pressure on them to maybe take less or they're just
Speaker 4: not in a hurry to re sign him and let
Speaker 4: them play the final year of his contract.
Speaker 6: It kind of reminds of the last negotiation, except they
Speaker 6: can't franchise him and they.
Speaker 3: And when they wound up signing him to the contract extension.
Speaker 3: It was before free agency.
Speaker 4: And there's a no trade clause too, But go ahead
Speaker 4: with your scenario.
Speaker 3: Well, so we're going to assume nothing gets done on
Speaker 3: the on a contract extension before draft day, right, and
Speaker 3: we don't know where things stand, I mean outside of
Speaker 3: what they're saying publicly, which is that Dak is going
Speaker 3: to be the quarterback here going forward and they just
Speaker 3: have to work something out whatever. But there's there's been
Speaker 3: no talk that Dak would not be the quarterback here
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five, right and beyond. However, you do
Speaker 3: have a quarterback that's going into the last year of
Speaker 3: his contract, and as you pointed out, you can't franchise him.
Speaker 3: He could walk in March. So does that in any
Speaker 3: way change the Cowboys thinking going into the draft this
Speaker 3: year as far as quarterback Now, they do have Trey Lance,
Speaker 3: and we don't know for sure how they feel about
Speaker 3: Trey Lance, although we think they like him and he
Speaker 3: could he's your young quarterback that you've invested in in
Speaker 3: terms of giving up a draft pick.
Speaker 6: Do they like him in regards to being a potential
Speaker 6: starter ords what they can get for?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we may find out if.
Speaker 4: If there's a holdout, are you suggesting.
Speaker 3: Are we or oh, there you go, there's the other
Speaker 3: option there. Yeah, so is there What does that do?
Speaker 3: As far as the draft goes this year it said,
Speaker 3: apparently a deep quarterback draft. Do you ponder taking a
Speaker 3: quarterback considering where your quarterback is contractually right now?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: I think I mean you got to qualified. With you
Speaker 4: talking second day, third day, just somewhere in the draft.
Speaker 3: Let me throw out a Sinnario.
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, that's why I want going to commit.
Speaker 3: And I'm not proposing this, I'm just throwing out a scenario.
Speaker 3: In fact, I think that should be the quarterback here
Speaker 3: for years to come. Okay, but take you back to
Speaker 3: the Kansas City Chiefs in twenty seventeen. They had a
Speaker 3: veteran thirty two year old quarter back named Alex Smith
Speaker 3: coming off a Pro Bowl season in twenty sixteen, and
Speaker 3: they were picking I believe, twenty fifth in the draft,
Speaker 3: somewhere in the same neighborhood that the Cowboys are at
Speaker 3: twenty four and Andy Reid fell in love with a
Speaker 3: quarterback out of Texas Tech named Patrick Mahomes, and he
Speaker 3: and others on the staff there in Kansas City. And
Speaker 3: so when Patrick Mahomes is available at number ten in
Speaker 3: the draft, he decides they pull the trigger and they
Speaker 3: traded their first round pick and a third round pick
Speaker 3: plus next year's number one, the twenty eighteen number one
Speaker 3: to Buffalo to move up to number ten, and they
Speaker 3: took Patrick Mahomes, which now in hindsight seven years later,
Speaker 3: might be the greatest draft day trade in the history
Speaker 3: of football. And maybe I should take the might be
Speaker 3: out of that. That is the greatest draft day trade
Speaker 3: in the history of football.
Speaker 4: When you say train robbery.
Speaker 5: All right, No, U do set? When Tony does set
Speaker 5: when he came.
Speaker 3: Many Super bowls a Tony Dorset win two, one, one,
Speaker 3: one one, How may as Patrick Mahomes one, three, three, Yeah,
Speaker 3: at least three. I think it's the best best draft
Speaker 3: right And by the way, by the way, in that
Speaker 3: same draft, Deshaun Watson went number twelve, I mean, what
Speaker 3: were they thinking in that draft?
Speaker 5: Anyway?
Speaker 3: And Mitchell Trubisky went number two.
Speaker 5: Time.
Speaker 3: So anyway, let me just throw it out there there.
Speaker 3: There's talk that there could be six quarterbacks taken in
Speaker 3: the top twelve picks in this draft. If there is
Speaker 3: someone who thinks that, let's say J. J. McCarthy or
Speaker 3: bow Nicks or whatever is the next Patrick Mahomes. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying they are. But if you think that there
Speaker 3: is a Patrick Mahomes in this draft, would you, considering
Speaker 3: where you are with your quarterback situation right now, would
Speaker 3: you do what the Kansas City Chiefs did in twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen and trade your first and a third and next
Speaker 3: year's number one to go get Patrick Mahomes at number ten. And,
Speaker 3: by the way, you could put the Cowboys in that scenario.
Speaker 3: In twenty seventeen, they drafted Taco Charlton in the first round.
Speaker 3: The third round pick was Jordan Lewis. They didn't. They
Speaker 3: wound up not having a twenty eighteen number one because
Speaker 3: they had to trade it for Amari Cooper later that year.
Speaker 4: How far did they move They went?
Speaker 3: They went like fifteen spots, from from twenty fifth to
Speaker 3: tenth something like that.
Speaker 5: How long did it take for Mahomes to one of
Speaker 5: his first Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: And then Mahomes did not play his first year. Alex
Speaker 3: Smith stayed as the quarterback, and then Alex Smith left
Speaker 3: after twenty seventeen. By the way, Alex Smith was a
Speaker 3: Pro Bowler in twenty seventeen, while Holmes was on the
Speaker 3: bench and just played the last game of the season,
Speaker 3: and then the franchise was his in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 6: So they didn't get with of They didn't do it instantly.
Speaker 6: I mean right, they'd wait till next year.
Speaker 3: The next year, which is what what if Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: was in this draft and the Cowboys decided to do that,
Speaker 3: that would be what the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can take that scenario. I thought,
Speaker 6: based on what you talked about it. I thought it
Speaker 6: happened that particularly no.
Speaker 3: No, and that quarterback sits for a year.
Speaker 5: That's fine, That'd be fine with me.
Speaker 3: So you would, you would if if you felt, if
Speaker 3: you felt like, if you were so sold on one
Speaker 3: of the quarterbacks that you think, this is Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 3: right here, you would trade your first and a third
Speaker 3: and next year's number one to move up to number
Speaker 3: ten to take him.
Speaker 5: He'd better be damn good. He'd better be damn because
Speaker 5: there's but that.
Speaker 3: The Kansas City Chiefs were in the same scenario that
Speaker 3: the Cowboys are right now, and they're just so happened
Speaker 3: to be the greatest quarterback in the history of the
Speaker 3: game per half who they everyone else couldn't see what
Speaker 3: Andy Reid saw And.
Speaker 4: How many of those scenarios did you find that backfire?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, there's one of them.
Speaker 8: Well, my stance on this is we have a quarterback
Speaker 8: right now that has been sitting out since he got here,
Speaker 8: and that's Trey Lance. So let's say a year from
Speaker 8: now in March, dak you know, you have to look
Speaker 8: at different direction. I almost think not drafting a quarterback
Speaker 8: or if you do it super late, six seventh round, whatever.
Speaker 8: But you know, with Trey Lance, who has had not
Speaker 8: a lot of development time to actually play, I say,
Speaker 8: you give him the opportunity to see what he and
Speaker 8: almost do as a backup.
Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to ignore the fact that we
Speaker 6: already do have Trey Lance.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and we have needs in other places for this roster,
Speaker 8: and that's where you utilize the draft. I don't think
Speaker 8: trading up for a quarterback is ideal place to the.
Speaker 3: Fact that you just never know what these guys, whether
Speaker 3: they're gonna.
Speaker 13: Let's let's look at Lance though, I mean, how good
Speaker 13: is he? I think we just need to figure that out. Yeah,
Speaker 13: he could be the next Patrick Mahall.
Speaker 4: I know, I think this preseason is going to be
Speaker 4: very important to find that find out that answer. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they need to see what he can do.
Speaker 3: And by the way, if the Homes had been thrown
Speaker 3: in it had to play that first year, what.
Speaker 5: It may have it could have ruined his career.
Speaker 4: Kansas City ended up, didn't they end up winning? They
Speaker 4: were good that twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, Alex Smith made the Pro Bowl
Speaker 3: in twenty bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I think he was a free eight.
Speaker 2: No, they traded him to Washington.
Speaker 4: And then in Washington got he got.
Speaker 5: Hurt, got Washington, Yes.
Speaker 3: And then he was a comeback player the year in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty in Washington. So, I mean, he wasn't washed
Speaker 3: up in his career at that point.
Speaker 5: But he wasn't Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 4: But they traded a you said he was a Pro
Speaker 4: bowler that year.
Speaker 2: Mahomes made it to the AFC Championship Game and lost
Speaker 2: to Brady.
Speaker 4: His first year, that was eighteen.
Speaker 5: We're talking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, what Chris says that, I want to hear
Speaker 6: that his first year starting, he go, he was ready
Speaker 6: to help.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he went. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Apparently Mahomes in practice was like would carve up the defense,
Speaker 2: and everybody's like, Okay, this is our guy. That's kind
Speaker 2: of why they pulled the trigger on sending the other quarterback.
Speaker 3: Well, they had already decided. I mean, if you're trading
Speaker 3: your first and your third and next year's number one.
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes was going to be the quarterback in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: but they knew they had Alex Smith for one more
Speaker 3: year two and they were gonna.
Speaker 5: So this is interesting. So let's say we need to
Speaker 5: find out about Trey Lance.
Speaker 6: Just like said, Let's say they start putting him in
Speaker 6: there and he's carving up the defense. You know, we
Speaker 6: don't know what's going Yeah, just I mean, then Dak
Speaker 6: hasn't signed yet.
Speaker 5: It makes things interesting. It just makes things interesting.
Speaker 4: So they have three preseason games, right, they've reduced it
Speaker 4: to three. Do you say, okay, we're not playing Dak
Speaker 4: in two of them for sure? Do you give Trey
Speaker 4: Lance the majority of those, knowing you know what Cooper
Speaker 4: Rush can do. Do you say, Okay, we got to
Speaker 4: find out. Which is a tough decision to make because
Speaker 4: you got to have your backup ready. Can he win
Speaker 4: the backup job?
Speaker 3: I don't think it's all about the preseason games. I
Speaker 3: think part of the decision on whether you give them
Speaker 3: the first two games or whatever is what they've already
Speaker 3: seen here time that in the last six months that
Speaker 3: he's been here, and then in the off season program,
Speaker 3: it's the command does he show those types of intangible.
Speaker 5: Well you heard, has he shown it? Has he done?
Speaker 4: Remember, he ended up winning the starting job in San
Speaker 4: Francisco before he got hurt, and that's what caused Perdy
Speaker 4: to get the opportunity to play, right, because he won
Speaker 4: the job and it was like a game or two
Speaker 4: into that year.
Speaker 5: But he wasn't doing that well.
Speaker 4: Well, he never was healthy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying. But the thing is, but.
Speaker 4: They were gonna go with right, right, they decided he
Speaker 4: was the starter.
Speaker 5: And what I mean, I'm comparing him to the Patrick
Speaker 5: mahons scenario. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: He didn't show any Patrick mahone's abilities. And I'm saying,
Speaker 6: since he's been here, what have what's the word, what's the.
Speaker 8: I mean, he's barely had an opportunity to totally showcase
Speaker 8: his skills so far while he's been here, and so
Speaker 8: you know, obviously, whatever the coaches seeing how he's practicing
Speaker 8: out there. You know, they could be looking at him
Speaker 8: and say, hey, you know, we need to develop him more.
Speaker 8: And I think that's going to go into training camp
Speaker 8: this year and then those preseason games. I say, you
Speaker 8: give him some of those games.
Speaker 5: He's we got a quarterback that was was almost MVP.
Speaker 3: He's worked.
Speaker 6: They don't need to look at that much at all
Speaker 6: this offseason. They need to look at that two back up.
Speaker 5: He throws football and he's athletics.
Speaker 4: So I'm forgetting who they played towards the end of
Speaker 4: the year that they needed a mobile quarterback to run
Speaker 4: the scout team the Cowboys. Yeah, what would would they
Speaker 4: have had him do? Tua or Jordan love I just
Speaker 4: remember asking him because I heard that he was running.
Speaker 5: He's going to be that quarterback.
Speaker 3: It's his size six four twenty six sies of he's
Speaker 3: Jordan love Life.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Here's the other thing it's interesting about Trey Lance. When
Speaker 3: you look at the quarterbacks in this draft, a bunch
Speaker 3: of them are like twenty four years old. I mean
Speaker 3: of the first round prospects. In fact, Caleb Williams turns
Speaker 3: twenty three in November. Now, Drake May's younger. He's twenty one.
Speaker 3: Doesn't turn twenty two to August Old. Jaden Daniels, he's
Speaker 3: twenty three. He'll be twenty four on December eighteenth. Yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're a lot, all right, Trey l Trey Lance turns
Speaker 3: twenty four on May ninth. He's twenty three because he's
Speaker 3: just six months older than Jaden Daniels. Okay, basically seven
Speaker 3: months older than Jayden Daniels. Michael Pennox turns twenty four
Speaker 3: on May all right, Trey Lance turns twenty four on
Speaker 3: May ninth. Michael Pennox, who's considered a first round prospect
Speaker 3: in this draft, turns twenty four the day before Trey
Speaker 3: Lance does. On May eighth, he turns twenty four. Bow
Speaker 3: Nicks already turned twenty four.
Speaker 5: Oh he's old, Yeah, we know he was old.
Speaker 14: Well, he's two months he's what but Pennix has too,
Speaker 14: I mean Nicks. Bo Nix is two months older than Pinnix.
Speaker 14: Bo Nix is two months older than Trey Lance.
Speaker 4: What about j J. J.
Speaker 3: McCarthy is young, he's twenty one. Oh yeah, literally, and
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the reasons that JJ McCarthy
Speaker 3: is getting so much buzz wise right now is because
Speaker 3: he's like three years younger than Nix, than Pennix, than
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels. So people think that, Okay, there's this great
Speaker 3: upside because he's so much younger, and.
Speaker 6: That would go I think it's the opposite. I'd rather
Speaker 6: go with in older exactly about coming out of college.
Speaker 3: But so I'm glad we brought this up because it
Speaker 3: could be. Now I'm not saying Trey Lances, Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 3: but the Cowboys right now, you have the equivalent in
Speaker 3: the house right now, the equivalent of Michael Pennix or
Speaker 3: bow Knicks or Jaden Daniels or any of these guys
Speaker 3: exactly had NFL experience.
Speaker 8: He has been here.
Speaker 13: He knows what is going on Jim NFL games.
Speaker 8: At least, it takes longer development time for these other
Speaker 8: quarterbacks coming into the draft to get in here and
Speaker 8: understand what it's like to play in the league.
Speaker 3: Let's just say Trey Lance did what Michael Pennox, what
Speaker 3: bow Knicks did, what Caleb Williams. Transfer. Okay, let's say
Speaker 3: instead of turning pro in twenty twenty or whatever year
Speaker 3: he came out, he decided to transfer from North Dakota
Speaker 3: State instead, and he got the COVID year and now
Speaker 3: he's in this draft. Where would number one? What would
Speaker 3: he have done in his college career? Yeah, I guarantee
Speaker 3: you he would have blown it up. He would have
Speaker 3: the same stats that all these guys have, and he'd
Speaker 3: be right there in the mix and we'd be.
Speaker 5: Talking field you doing the combine.
Speaker 3: We'd be talking about seven quarterbacks going to the top
Speaker 3: twelve pigs instead of six.
Speaker 4: Let me throw this out, since we're talking about quarterbacks
Speaker 4: that get older, how old was Tony Romo when he
Speaker 4: first got his start in two thousand and six?
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to look that up for you, you vamp
Speaker 3: for just a moment.
Speaker 4: And you might even check to see when he became
Speaker 4: the official backup in two thousand.
Speaker 3: His birthdays April twenty first. He was born in nineteen eighty, so,
Speaker 3: and he would have been twenty six and a half
Speaker 3: years old when he became the Cowboys starting quarterback in
Speaker 3: the two thousand and six season.
Speaker 4: And he ended up being the backup in two thousand
Speaker 4: and five, but never really got.
Speaker 3: To play until he was twenty five. Then twenty five, Okay,
Speaker 3: the start back well, yeah, he.
Speaker 8: Was forty, But no, that's that's a good point because
Speaker 8: it's you're looking at these different age groups and categories,
Speaker 8: and you know, it all plays a part in how
Speaker 8: many years these guys have been into the league and
Speaker 8: really what you know, might be the best age group
Speaker 8: that starts fitting into those premier quarterback positions.
Speaker 4: And if you think about it, Romo never established himself
Speaker 4: as Romo until he got to play in some preseason
Speaker 4: and it was like, oh, maybe this guy's got something
Speaker 4: because I remember his rookie year. He couldn't hit the
Speaker 4: broadside of a barn. He was so inaccurate.
Speaker 5: That was plus als. It wasn't crazy about the.
Speaker 4: You know, and and but they kept him as the
Speaker 4: third guy, and then he's going to get cut the
Speaker 4: next year, and then they they, you know, cut Quincy
Speaker 4: Carter got fed up with him, and he would have
Speaker 4: been the fourth quarterback that year had had Quincy Carter
Speaker 4: remained the stuff.
Speaker 3: Stabach was twenty eight when he made his first appearance
Speaker 3: in an NFL game in nineteen seventy.
Speaker 5: It wasn't even starting. You just said eight.
Speaker 3: Game, eight games, three starts in nineteen seventy. I got
Speaker 3: hurt and so he was twenty eight years old then,
Speaker 3: and that season, Craig Morton was the starting quarterback in
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. In seventy one, Stabach took over and
Speaker 3: age twenty nine, won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: When were they doing the alternating possession?
Speaker 3: That was in the seventy one seeds seventy one seed
Speaker 3: and then, no, it wasn't a disaster. No, it wasn't
Speaker 3: a disaster because after that game, a loss to the
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears, Landry had to make the decision to go
Speaker 3: with one over the other. And it was Roger. It
Speaker 3: was Roger. It was Roger, and they were did straight
Speaker 3: games and won the Super Bowl. So it turned in
Speaker 3: to does he just hat trigger, didn't it? That's right?
Speaker 5: I'm interceptions from the bench man.
Speaker 6: I'm still mad about that, right, come on, I don't
Speaker 6: trust him, Damn coach what you.
Speaker 3: Need, Like Randy White.
Speaker 4: Was not an immediate starter, so Staubach would have got there,
Speaker 4: and so nine.
Speaker 3: And also Patrick Mahomes had to wait. There you go,
Speaker 3: and now Trey Lynch is having to wait.
Speaker 15: Also we've got we've we got our Patrick Mahomes right
Speaker 15: here in the house right now, all right, we figured
Speaker 15: it out, all right, So don't draft a quarterback.
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Speaker 5: See you there, good job as always.
Speaker 3: Thank you. One thing about the UFL games I was
Speaker 3: surprised by on Saturday, although I didn't sit there and
Speaker 3: watch a lot, but I did see something. They aren't
Speaker 3: using the kickoff rule.
Speaker 4: That say, it was weird.
Speaker 3: NFL adopt they used.
Speaker 4: The USFL rule. But then I saw towards the end
Speaker 4: of the game they went to the XFL rule.
Speaker 3: Oh they did one time.
Speaker 4: I saw it because they kicked off and they were
Speaker 4: lined up five yards apart from each.
Speaker 3: Other at the forty at the at the receiving team
Speaker 3: five yard line. Yeah, so they did.
Speaker 4: They did use just one time because the other kick off.
Speaker 4: That's why I turned it on. I wanted to see it,
Speaker 4: and they kicked off normally.
Speaker 8: So is it optional that like you can pick which
Speaker 8: how how I would have to.
Speaker 4: Ask somebody else, you know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right.
Speaker 6: I very confused on that because they made a big
Speaker 6: deal about it, and that's not using.
Speaker 8: It, and now it's implemented until this next season for
Speaker 8: the NFL.
Speaker 4: So I saw it would be interesting enough. I saw
Speaker 4: him kicked off normally the one time crazy, but then
Speaker 4: I saw the other way interesting.
Speaker 3: We'll have to get to the bottom of that. I'm
Speaker 3: sure there are people shouting at their podcast, right, that's that.
Speaker 3: It was a case of I need to be more
Speaker 3: like an attorney. When I ask a question, I know
Speaker 3: the answer the answer, so, but we haven't had a chance.
Speaker 3: We talked about it last week and after our show
Speaker 3: last week they implemented it. They decided to go with
Speaker 3: a kickoff rule. So now that it's official, what are
Speaker 3: you thinking?
Speaker 5: What to me?
Speaker 6: Oh, that's right, I sent it to you, but it
Speaker 6: would happen that surprise.
Speaker 5: I sent that to you. I'm the guy as soon
Speaker 5: as we finished.
Speaker 4: Well, they voted it in on Tuesday. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 4: I said. When I answered the question, I said, you
Speaker 4: can listen to mix shots.
Speaker 5: We were all get there.
Speaker 8: See, I needed a visual on it, so producer Supreme
Speaker 8: helped me out and sent me what that looks like,
Speaker 8: just because I needed to visualize how that kickoff would work.
Speaker 4: But oh, I'm I'm for it. The kickoff was the
Speaker 4: most boring thing in the NFL.
Speaker 8: And the owners voted on it. They it was twenty
Speaker 8: nine to three on the vote, so.
Speaker 4: And they needed twenty four to approve it. So it's
Speaker 4: a one year deal. It's temporary. You're going to see
Speaker 4: how it goes. I think it's going to be maybe
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say a lot, but there's a
Speaker 4: lot for the officials to look at, like jumping off sides.
Speaker 4: The kick's got to be between the twenty and the
Speaker 4: goal line, you know, just how the whole thing. No
Speaker 4: one moves before the ball either is caught or hits
Speaker 4: the ground. There's a lot for the officials to have
Speaker 4: to digest on these kickoffs. No longer just looking to
Speaker 4: see that no one's off sides right. And they have.
Speaker 5: More referees on the field than NFL.
Speaker 4: I doubt it probably have less or the same, but yeah,
Speaker 4: they're going to have to be more aware of the
Speaker 4: kickoff instead of just running up. Give them the ball
Speaker 4: to put on the tee and then everybody gets in
Speaker 4: place right and they look for a block in the
Speaker 4: back or a hole on the return that doesn't happen.
Speaker 8: Well, I have just a suggestion, I say, is a
Speaker 8: collective group here. Maybe we all take an outing to
Speaker 8: one of the Arlington Renegades games and we'll check.
Speaker 3: It out ourselves.
Speaker 5: You guys man ruin my reputation.
Speaker 4: We'll sit in the stands. Douglas and I went to
Speaker 4: one of those, the XFL game. It's so fun at
Speaker 4: Globe Light is it stadium? The old one?
Speaker 6: I think The one time I went got awful hot,
Speaker 6: and that was I did not have a good time.
Speaker 5: It was burning up. That was not good.
Speaker 4: Well, what do you expect? You live here for sixty years.
Speaker 5: So should not be football in the summer time?
Speaker 3: All right, I don't have to do more research on
Speaker 3: this UFL case. Yeah, I can't do it during the show.
Speaker 5: All right, I have it.
Speaker 2: If you want it, would you like it?
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 2: So she says sorry, Producer Supreme, It says, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I just lost that.
Speaker 3: Oh you got to keep that tag, Producer Supreme. You'll
Speaker 3: find it. Yeah, give me a second, okay, all right.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, Mickey, what else is on your legal pad?
Speaker 4: Well, I've got a lot, but we're getting close to you.
Speaker 4: It'll take too much time.
Speaker 3: Well, give us a tease for next week.
Speaker 4: Then, so my column on Friday, the Cowboys keep talking
Speaker 4: about draft and develop Steven keeps mentioning that we need
Speaker 4: young guys to step up. So I went through the
Speaker 4: roster to look at all the young guys that they're
Speaker 4: going to need stuff out of right, because they're not
Speaker 4: going to be able to participate in free agency unless
Speaker 4: somebody just comes out of here and signs out of
Speaker 4: the grace of their heart right to take a two
Speaker 4: million dollar deal, which, by the way, on Jonathan Hankins,
Speaker 4: I understand the Cowboys. I mean, he didn't get much
Speaker 4: from the Seahawks, but it sounded like he wanted to
Speaker 4: play for Aiden Dirty because he became the defensive coordinator
Speaker 4: for the Seahawks because they were willing to match that.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't much.
Speaker 5: It's all so yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I was just looking at and we'll just
Speaker 4: tease it with the offensive line. If you're looking at
Speaker 4: young guys that they need to step up, I mean,
Speaker 4: right now, brock Hoffman is your center. I don't know
Speaker 4: where they're going to find a center in the draft.
Speaker 4: You draft a center that high into the first round.
Speaker 3: You drafted Travis Frederick.
Speaker 4: And they did, and it was a a good move.
Speaker 4: Is there Travis Frederick out?
Speaker 3: There is Jackson Powers Johnson?
Speaker 5: Travis Frederick up, He's in the notebook. Why wanted you
Speaker 5: to do this? He brought the notebook. He has no iPad.
Speaker 6: He brought the notebook because that's his only relevance to this.
Speaker 4: Show out the offensive The offensive line needs two starters.
Speaker 4: You neither either a tackle or a guard in the
Speaker 4: center or a tackle in the center.
Speaker 3: All right, so let me as show you would you
Speaker 3: would you? I would? Would you draft an offensive tackle
Speaker 3: at twenty four? And would you trade your second and
Speaker 3: third round pick to move up to early second round
Speaker 3: or whatever to get to get at a center?
Speaker 4: That's that's a high price, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Trying to show up your offensive line?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 3: But in let's say the top center, it is available
Speaker 3: at thirty four, like where DeMarcus Lawrence was picked. Okay,
Speaker 3: and the Cowboys when they went to get de Marcus
Speaker 3: Lawrence in twenty fourteen, they packaged their second and third,
Speaker 3: moved up to thirty four and took Lawrence. All right,
Speaker 3: you've already taken your tackle at twenty four. Now would
Speaker 3: you take your second and third round pick to go
Speaker 3: get that center.
Speaker 4: So the point I was making was, do you have
Speaker 4: somebody on your roster that saves you a second and
Speaker 4: third round Pickay, can brock Hoffman do it? Can TJ?
Speaker 4: Bass play guard? If Tyler Smith moved to tackle to tackle?
Speaker 4: And then you've got to look at well, let's go
Speaker 4: ball and awesome Richards? So can you develop guys to
Speaker 4: take critical spots on your roster? And those are decisions
Speaker 4: that they're going to have to be right at when
Speaker 4: they make it.
Speaker 5: And who was our offensive line coach?
Speaker 3: Mike Slari?
Speaker 4: Mike Silari?
Speaker 5: Can he do it?
Speaker 4: Can he develop these?
Speaker 5: Yes? Can he develop these?
Speaker 4: They like brock Hoffman? Now they got to decide and
Speaker 4: you got to be right. Is he as a second
Speaker 4: year player, undrafted rookie, can he start at center for you?
Speaker 4: And is that better or as good as what I
Speaker 4: get in the draft?
Speaker 5: And so what do you want in the draft? Bill?
Speaker 3: Well, if you would, you like a history lesson on
Speaker 3: Mike Solari and who he's So it was.
Speaker 5: Thank you yes, because he didn't answer the question right. Yeah.
Speaker 3: In Kansas City, Okay, this is going back to nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety seven, he was the offensive line coach with the
Speaker 3: Kansas City Chiefs, and in fact, in ninety nine they
Speaker 3: drafted a tackle, John Tate, with a fourteenth overall pick.
Speaker 3: But in two thousand and two he coached Willie Roafe.
Speaker 3: Willie Roe, a Hall of Famer who he came over
Speaker 3: at age thirty two, Okay, who was a former first
Speaker 3: round draft pick from nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 3: He also on that offensive line, by the way, he
Speaker 3: had Brian Waters starting at left guard, who's a lot
Speaker 3: like Tyler Smith, Okay, and was a six time Pro
Speaker 3: Bowler out of Watsa Hatchie, Texas. And he had others
Speaker 3: on that offensive line where that were I mean, it
Speaker 3: was one of the best offensive lines you could put together.
Speaker 3: He goes to Seattle in two thousand and eight, and
Speaker 3: who was the Hall of Famer that he coached there,
Speaker 3: Walter Jones. Okay. Fast forward, he's with San Francisco Joe Staley,
Speaker 3: six time Pro Bowler offensive tackle who was a first
Speaker 3: round draft pick. He coached there. Then in Seattle Dwayne Brown,
Speaker 3: a five time Pro Bowler, he coached him there, and
Speaker 3: here in Dallas last year a Tyrant and Tyler And.
Speaker 6: Now the only difference is where those round draft picks.
Speaker 6: I want to know what to do, guy, What can
Speaker 6: you do with those guys? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 4: Well, and just remember that in the early nineties, until
Speaker 4: Larry Allen got there as a second round pick, nobody
Speaker 4: was drafted higher than Eric Williams as a third round pick.
Speaker 4: So they took just guys. Nate Newton shows up in
Speaker 4: eighty six, right, ends up being a bowler that day, right,
Speaker 4: Mark Tony shows up in eighty three, not drafted, drafted,
Speaker 4: and these guys over time built one of the best
Speaker 4: offensive lines in the NFL.
Speaker 5: It did not happen right the way. It did not
Speaker 5: happen right away.
Speaker 3: That was before free agency, and so they had time
Speaker 3: they should they should did they that time?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: I think Gogan was maybe a seventh round pick, so.
Speaker 5: And one of the funniest guys ever.
Speaker 4: You just can't have a first round pick in every
Speaker 4: position on your offensive line. You already have, well, you
Speaker 4: have two, right, you had three when Tyron was there.
Speaker 6: And you know the only difference between those guys in
Speaker 6: the nineties and the guys that you have right now.
Speaker 6: The guys in the nineties, they were funny, all of them.
Speaker 6: Had great sensitive humor.
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith has a great personality. He really he might be.
Speaker 5: The only one.
Speaker 6: Everyone else they were so funny to Mark two and
Speaker 6: they was very funny.
Speaker 3: Actually, Nate Newton Hill.
Speaker 5: Let Gogan was out of his mind. That's right. Those
Speaker 5: guys were so.
Speaker 3: We found what it takes to become a super Bowl
Speaker 3: offensive line. Nate, you gotta be somenny.
Speaker 5: Guys. The leader. Nate's the leader.
Speaker 3: Crawford Kerr was funny, Yes he was.
Speaker 5: Kerr was funny. Now he owns a bunch of wing joints.
Speaker 4: Come on, hey, daddy, it ain't me. Instead of the center,
Speaker 4: he turns around and goes say, daddy, it is me.
Speaker 6: Come on, man, I mean that's just off the cuff,
Speaker 6: right off the cuff in the game situation. That's hilarious.
Speaker 6: You can't get you couldn't. You couldn't get that with
Speaker 6: this group out here.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: By the way, if they draft Jackson powers Johnson, he's
Speaker 3: a funny.
Speaker 5: That was the best group.
Speaker 3: Is Jason Kelsey a funny guy?
Speaker 5: Yes, he's hilarious. Halfway off is what I'm afraid of.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 3: I think there's my first round, late first round prediction
Speaker 3: that the Eagles are going to draft this Jackson powers
Speaker 3: Johnson to replace.
Speaker 6: Should you imagine if the Cowboys were doing well, Nate
Speaker 6: Newton was in the suite somewhere and he took his
Speaker 6: shirt off and was drinking beer.
Speaker 5: Could you just imagine that was that was the good one.
Speaker 5: That's a good one. This stuff.
Speaker 4: Gogan fixed Troy Aikman's finger when it dislocated, and then
Speaker 4: get back to the huddle and am goes here, pull it.
Speaker 4: You mean he goes pull it and Gogan pulled it
Speaker 4: back to place Savannah.
Speaker 3: You missed it with the Cowboys in the nineties and
Speaker 3: ever since. Cowboys in the eighties.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they were crazy.
Speaker 3: There were personalities on those teams that we don't see
Speaker 3: to and I'm sure there are personalities on this team,
Speaker 3: but we don't know. We don't we don't get exposed
Speaker 3: to it because we're not in the locker room like
Speaker 3: we were back then, or out on the vestor field where.
Speaker 4: We didn't have the same uh are they're not in
Speaker 4: the locker.
Speaker 6: In the eighties were not that's funny, but you had
Speaker 6: everybody else on the on the team was right.
Speaker 3: I remember going out to training camp in thousand oh,
Speaker 3: it was. It was like one guy after they're all
Speaker 3: great interviews.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, to know what happened.
Speaker 4: He didn't like talking to the media, but he was hilarious.
Speaker 4: He was and he was a jokester.
Speaker 5: He was a prankster.
Speaker 8: He was Sam Williams, he's another one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, Sam Williams.
Speaker 8: He's got a great.
Speaker 4: Person, right, yep, uh, good stuff, which is on my
Speaker 4: list of young guys that need to step up. By
Speaker 4: the way we get to.
Speaker 3: That, is there another common denominator among those offensive linemen.
Speaker 3: Were they badasses too?
Speaker 6: In the nineties. They were bad asses, those guys. They
Speaker 6: were not the nice guys that we had in the eighties.
Speaker 6: We had nice guys names Scott, Come on, these guys, Peter.
Speaker 5: Talk the guys in the nineties.
Speaker 3: So the profile for the offensive lineman that you want
Speaker 3: would be, what the.
Speaker 6: Way that Jimmy Johnson likes his lineman, that's what they
Speaker 6: that's what they should have here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they should keep that here.
Speaker 6: But the ages, everybody was crazy in the eighties except
Speaker 6: for the offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: And the only guy who wasn't a brash well, Eric
Speaker 3: Williams would didn't.
Speaker 5: Say a lot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a badass.
Speaker 3: The other one he was crazy and Larry Allen.
Speaker 5: No, but it was crazy.
Speaker 4: You know when people used to ask me, which one
Speaker 4: of those offensive linemen do you would want with you
Speaker 4: in a dark alley and help, well, it would have
Speaker 4: been Eric before that it.
Speaker 5: Was yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no doubt was he was.
Speaker 5: He was scared. He's a little scared.
Speaker 4: He would never know it because he didn't talk very much.
Speaker 4: God bless his soul.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: Which, by the way, I finally got to watch the
Speaker 4: documentary they did here on Mark tw It was really
Speaker 4: really good.
Speaker 5: I've never seen it.
Speaker 4: It's on the website.
Speaker 5: Check it out, look it up.
Speaker 4: But I did the interview. Yeah, I did the interview
Speaker 4: with his wife and she she was great and gracious,
Speaker 4: but Gogan talked about him.
Speaker 6: I still have I had his stepmaster as of last month.
Speaker 6: But the weekend that he died, we went to see Pono.
Speaker 6: She was getting rid of stuff, you know, it's trying
Speaker 6: to take care of the fans. They gave me a StairMaster. Wow,
Speaker 6: I had the stair master for it still works, and no,
Speaker 6: I just got rid of it. Finally stopped last month,
Speaker 6: for real, it finally stopped last month.
Speaker 5: It wouldn't take. So I was on that thing. God
Speaker 5: whenever that was too like two months ago. Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's really good because and Michael Irvin, I thought, said
Speaker 4: one of the best things he goes. We need to
Speaker 4: remember how he lived, not how he doubt. It was
Speaker 4: a great mm hmm.
Speaker 3: All right, Well that does it for this edition of
Speaker 3: Big Shots. Do you want me to keep filling up
Speaker 3: my green notebook?
Speaker 4: I just want you to get to the bottom of
Speaker 4: that kickoff in the uff?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, what happened?
Speaker 4: Chris went it? No?
Speaker 3: I told him, no, we went We went on a
Speaker 3: tangent in a different direction. Okay, he's got the what
Speaker 3: we needed.
Speaker 2: They're doing a standard one mick, but they're starting on
Speaker 2: the twenty so there's no touchbacks.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so they just pushed back the kickoff to yes,
Speaker 3: the twenty yard I got you.
Speaker 2: So the one crazy change they did was onside kicks.
Speaker 2: You can onside kick or do a fourth and twelve
Speaker 2: from the thirty three yard line.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I like that.
Speaker 2: And if you make it, you keep going. If you don't,
Speaker 2: the other team gets it right there.
Speaker 3: Too much of a thirty three I don't know why
Speaker 3: they picked the thirty three yards.
Speaker 2: I don't know, this is a thirty three yard line? Well,
Speaker 2: probably they have to go twelve yards.
Speaker 4: You got to get to fifty.
Speaker 5: It's easy to judge. Yeah, you know, what's the yard
Speaker 5: line for? I mean, what the com on?
Speaker 3: Well, I guess if you were incomplete, then the the
Speaker 3: receiving team takes over at the thirty three Yes, opposite.
Speaker 3: So that's a fifty one yard field goal.
Speaker 5: And what is that proving to me?
Speaker 3: We really need a time.
Speaker 5: Y'all are losing me. I'm going further far away. We're
Speaker 5: going out.
Speaker 3: Okay, do your research for next week. All right, We'll
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