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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff Mom Never Told You?

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Speaker 1: From how stup works dot com. Hello, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, and I would

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Speaker 1: want like to welcome our listeners at this time to

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Speaker 1: the two part Mom's Stuff explanation of masturbation. And by

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Speaker 1: explanation I mean more of a statistical outlook on who

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Speaker 1: does it, how, everyone, all the time, and whether or

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Speaker 1: not it affects people's sex lives, because that's a big

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Speaker 1: question that is um that's come up from listeners and

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Speaker 1: just from you know, conversations with friends as we get

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Speaker 1: older and people are in relationships and are sexually active

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Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah. Um. There was a twenty ten

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Speaker 1: National Survey of Sexual Health and Behavior study to kick

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Speaker 1: this off with numbers um percent of men and eighty

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Speaker 1: four percent of women between the ages of twenty five

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Speaker 1: researchers do differentiate between masturbating on one's own and masturbating

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Speaker 1: in more of a couple situation, right, But don't think

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Speaker 1: the over seventy set, eighty percent of men and fifty

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Speaker 1: And back to that over seventy set, solo masturbation was

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Speaker 1: reported by more than half who were in non cohabitating relationships,

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Speaker 1: So you know what that means Our grandparents probably masturbated

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Speaker 1: or might be. Right now, I'm just saying, I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna keep staring at you blankly. No, but I think

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Speaker 1: you know, UH good to point out that, you know,

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Speaker 1: even among the elder population, still going on. And this

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Speaker 1: is not a revelation that American adults are masturbating and

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Speaker 1: masturbating on a regular basis. UH. From the nineteen fifty

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Speaker 1: was focused almost exclusively on white middle class Americans. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: majority of folks even back then, we're, um, we're masturbating solo. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of these studies really appeared to break

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Speaker 1: of them were just really men versus women, old versus

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Speaker 1: most awkward revelation of this podcast, this chapter in our

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Speaker 1: and this is coming from uh Columbia University's awesome sexual

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Speaker 1: health site, Go ask Alice. She points out that infants

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Speaker 1: in children, um, while they are not doing it for

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Speaker 1: And Freud, you know, he has something to say about everything,

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