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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace does the name Anna Delvi

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Speaker 1: ring a bell the fake Heiress aka Anna Sorkin, who

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Speaker 1: claimed to be a Russian heiress and worth millions of dollars,

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Speaker 1: But what she did is rip off friends and business

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Speaker 1: acquaintances to the ten of tens of thousands of dollars,

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Speaker 1: possibly up to a quarter million dollars. Well, it ain't

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Speaker 1: over yet. In the last days, the fake Heiress Anna

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Speaker 1: Delvi says she doesn't want to be a quote spectacle. Really,

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Speaker 1: since when she doesn't want to be a quote spectacle

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Speaker 1: with her be dazzled ankle monitor, I mean, is he Grace?

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Anna Delvi, who we believe ripped off friends, acquaintances, and

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Speaker 1: business connections up to the tune of around two hundred

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Speaker 1: a fake Russian heiress. Oh, dear Lord in Heaven now

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Speaker 1: claims wearing her ankle monitor is a quote pain and

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Speaker 1: she's lodging constant complaints about her ankle monitor. The choice

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Speaker 1: is going back to jail Anna Delvi aka and Asorkin,

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Speaker 1: but the fake Heiress tells the new York Post. It's

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Speaker 1: not about style. She just doesn't want to be stared at.

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Speaker 1: Really doesn't want to be stared at. That's all she

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Speaker 1: wants is to be stared at. Delvi again, whose real

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Speaker 1: name is Annasorkin, has been forced to wear the GPS

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Speaker 1: tracker since she was released from US Immigration and Customs

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Speaker 1: to Germany. Every month she has to check in with

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Speaker 1: ICE in New York and she's been a quote real

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Speaker 1: pain in the ass end quote constantly complaining the device

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Speaker 1: is quote not fashionable. I can't believe I'm hearing this.

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Speaker 1: Does it never end with this woman? Now? This is

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Speaker 1: according to the US Department of Homeland Security. But Delvy,

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Speaker 1: who was the inspiration for a Netflix special nine episodes,

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Speaker 1: as I recall that I was forced to watch my

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Speaker 1: eyes were bleeding to prepare to cover the case, and

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Speaker 1: since that, she just doesn't want to be a spectacle

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Speaker 1: that comes with wearing an ankle monitor. Let's refresh our recollection.

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Speaker 1: Who is Annadelvi? Why does she claims she's a fake heiress?

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Speaker 1: Her real name is Annasorkin. Why doesn't she acknowledge she

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Speaker 1: actually has real parents back home in Germany? And how

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Speaker 1: did she rip off New York society to the tune

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Speaker 1: of about a quarter million dollars? Now complaining her ankle

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Speaker 1: monitor is quote not fashionable? What happened? Art aside? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to Inside edition.

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Speaker 2: She claims she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth

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Speaker 2: more than sixty million dollars, but it was a lie.

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Speaker 2: Annasorkin went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels,

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Speaker 2: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention.

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Speaker 1: This woman made national headlines posing as a wealthy woman.

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Speaker 2: Now, the woman known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking

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Speaker 2: to ABC's Debra Rubber.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview.

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Speaker 3: Why are you talking with us?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 5: I would like to show the world that I'm not

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Speaker 5: this downgraedy person that they portrayed me to be.

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Speaker 1: You ask her who she really is?

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Speaker 6: Did she tell you annas organ is a very complicated character.

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Speaker 7: You might believe that Annasaurican is a very gifted, clever

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Speaker 7: wanna be businesswoman or a complete con artist. And there

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Speaker 7: are many people in her way who would tell you

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Speaker 7: that she is the classic con artist.

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Speaker 1: Why can't she be both? Why can't she be a

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Speaker 1: great business person and the ultimate scammer? I see her

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Speaker 1: as both. Take a listen hour cut one from the

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Speaker 1: Vanity Fair special Scandalous.

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Speaker 8: By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvey was a regular in the

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Speaker 8: NYC social scene, frequenting many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs.

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Speaker 8: With an extravagant lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money.

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Speaker 8: Delvy was an enigma that was made for the age

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Speaker 8: of Instagram, always at the right place, with the right people,

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Speaker 8: living her best life, but with no apparent cause for

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Speaker 1: With Me, an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know right now With Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and hosts of Today with Doctor

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Speaker 1: Wendy KCBQ. If you can find her at wendypatrickphd dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Donna Rockwell Special guests joining us clinical psychologists in

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Speaker 1: both Michigan and New York specializing in celebrity mental health

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Speaker 1: on faculty Saybrook University Jim Ellis with a special guest

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Speaker 1: joining US certified fraud examiner, former fed with the FBI.

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Speaker 1: Don't mess with this guy. FBI agent twenty nine years now,

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Speaker 1: private investigator at JKE Texas Private Investigator JKE Texas dot Com.

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Speaker 1: But first, I want to go to a woman I've

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Speaker 1: been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with Fox News Digital.

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Speaker 1: She's a crime reporter and author of a fantastic book

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Speaker 1: At any Cost, Rebecca, who is this woman?

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Speaker 9: Who is this woman? Well, her family came from Russia,

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Speaker 9: they moved to Germany, and I believe her father was

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Speaker 9: actually a truck driver. She did not come from a

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Speaker 9: wealthy family, and she just invented this identity when she came.

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Speaker 10: To New York.

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Speaker 1: Now, her coming to New York was quite a story.

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Speaker 1: So Russian born moving to Germany, the child of a

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Speaker 1: internship that takes her to Paris. From there, the position

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Speaker 1: And then she very simply overstayed her visa, which thousands

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Speaker 1: of people do every year, but none do it in

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Speaker 1: the style of Anna Sorokan. Take a listen to Our

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Speaker 1: cut six our friends at Inside Edition.

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Speaker 11: Is she in a courtroom or at a red carpet event?

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Speaker 11: Annasorrikin is accused of posing as an heiress to live

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Speaker 11: an extravagant lifestyle, But it's what she's wearing to trial

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Speaker 11: that is making headlines. The twenty seven year old defendant

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Speaker 11: showed up wearing a form fitting black dress with a

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Speaker 11: backfire Warren stylist John Karen.

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Speaker 1: Black dress definitely a no.

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Speaker 1: A hyper sexualize her. It makes her appear to be

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Speaker 7: The choker kind of shows to me that she's trying

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Speaker 1: The more sexy she appears to be, it hurts her.

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Speaker 11: Soorkin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to

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Speaker 1: This is not a fashion show. Wow, well you know,

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Speaker 1: but it didn't work. She continued wearing designer clothes to

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Speaker 1: every single court appears. But this goes way back her

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Speaker 1: desire for a lifestyle she could not afford. Started in

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Speaker 13: Anna, who interned at a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed

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Speaker 13: high end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance

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Speaker 13: her lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly

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Speaker 13: The fake heiress reportedly fleees her friend out of sixty

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Speaker 13: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco.

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Speaker 13: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take

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Speaker 13: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance

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Speaker 13: a visual arts center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation.

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Speaker 13: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred

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Speaker 13: and seventy five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just me, but to you Doctor Donna Rockwell

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Speaker 1: joining US clinical psychologist Faculty Saber University. Doctor Rockwell, I

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Speaker 1: don't know very many people except maybe Alois that lives

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Speaker 14: No, I guess we don't really know many people who

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Speaker 14: live in hotels. But it's very posh, isn't it to

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Speaker 14: do that? She might be a eloise poser, I guess,

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Speaker 14: but you know that makes her look really unattainable and

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Speaker 14: like she's got lots of money. So I think people

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Speaker 14: in her situation will do anything they can to look

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Speaker 14: like they're billionaires, not even millionaires.

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Speaker 1: she wasn't just staying down at the Motel six. She

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Speaker 1: was staying at very very expensive and luxurious hotels.

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Speaker 9: Yes, she was staying at eleven Howard Street for a

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Speaker 10: Racked up a.

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Speaker 9: Bill and that tens of thousands of dollars, and that's

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Speaker 9: where she lived here for a big chunk of the time.

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Speaker 1: For the New York You know, it was really interesting

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Speaker 1: that she created this illusion that super rich and super

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Speaker 1: New York society. Until she went and basically invited herself

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Speaker 1: to be on a yacht in a bisa and then

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Speaker 1: stay for another week or ten days. I mean, Jim

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Speaker 1: Ellis you're the certified fraud examiner, former FBI agent twenty

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Speaker 1: nine years. For beat's sake, When you commandeer a yacht

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Speaker 10: A huge bill. And frankly, you know, she probably could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: with doctor Wendy k c b Q. Doctor Wendy, I

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Speaker 1: find it, Wendy Patrick, I find it really interesting that

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Speaker 1: the owners or the people that had rented the yacht

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Speaker 1: really really wealthy Hampton Nights And I got to tell

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Speaker 1: of times for charity when I would be speaking to

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Speaker 1: SAE Wendy. I couldn't wait till I packed up my

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Speaker 1: I know that's right, Nancy.

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Speaker 14: I'm like you.

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Speaker 10: I'm more I'm more familiar with the Hampton in with

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Speaker 1: I was stealing it. Go ahead.

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Speaker 4: responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they probably either.

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Speaker 14: Didn't know or didn't care.

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Speaker 4: Why do I say that, because we've covered so many

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Speaker 4: stories where you do have the ultra rich that are

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Speaker 14: By somebody like Anna, but don't.

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Speaker 4: Consider it in the balance to be worth their while

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Speaker 1: quote doesn't want to be a spectacle. But the fake

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Speaker 1: German heiress Anna Delvey, who once claimed she was worth

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg Netflix multi episode creation Inventing Anna. What is it?

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Speaker 9: It's a show based on her life story, so based

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Speaker 1: So this woman cons she cons big Jim Ellis joining

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Speaker 1: us former fed with the FBI. Have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: How do you untangle a case like this well.

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Speaker 16: She had to fake it until she can make it.

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Speaker 16: case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy defendant even

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Speaker 1: Did you get a thrill from him?

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Speaker 7: I mean, were you satisfied when you got away with something,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, because in my head I never thought that

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Speaker 1: And I just moved on. She taught them into what

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Speaker 14: When we're babies, If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't

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Speaker 14: From others over that period of time, faking it is fraud.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully that was a sound by somebody who's at her trial,

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Speaker 4: because there's no other way circumstantially you can justify that

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Speaker 4: many victims over that.

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Speaker 1: Long period of time, and even now it's still all

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Speaker 1: about her. Take a listen to our friend Emily mate

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Speaker 1: list at the BBC cuts in why do you think

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Speaker 1: so many people believed here?

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Speaker 7: Then?

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Speaker 3: What was it in your personality that could convince people?

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Speaker 14: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I think maybe believed I was smart and I was

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Speaker 5: working on something.

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Speaker 4: That was.

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Speaker 5: That could have like a great potential and that would

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Speaker 5: be successful.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like she has much to do with

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Speaker 5: my personality. I guess like I really believed in myself

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Speaker 5: and what I was doing. I don't know, it's hard

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Speaker 5: to explain. I guess like people just see like I'm

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Speaker 5: talented and I was focused, and I work hard and

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Speaker 5: I could make them a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard and what every time I see

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Speaker 1: AFO or a post of her, she's on a luxury

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Speaker 1: trip or she's shopping at what Well.

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Speaker 14: I think.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of her victims wanted to believe

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Speaker 9: in her success because it meant their success too. You know,

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Speaker 9: she's saying, Okay, I'm going to build this Annadelvy Foundation

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Speaker 9: in Manhattan for twenty two million, and you know, one

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Speaker 9: of the persons, one of.

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Speaker 14: The people she do with the architect.

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Speaker 9: Well for him, you know, he he wanted to be

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Speaker 9: involved in that big project, so he wanted to sort

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Speaker 9: of believe the lie because it would ultimately help him.

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Speaker 9: So I think a lot of it was people wanting

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Speaker 9: to kind of believe it was true because there was

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Speaker 9: an advantage to them.

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Speaker 1: These are just some of the things, and I want

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Speaker 1: to go to you on, Jim ellis that we have

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Speaker 1: uncovered falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it,

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Speaker 1: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one

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Speaker 1: hundred grand after lying to bank reps with CTI, depositing

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Speaker 1: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you

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Speaker 1: know how you flow to check. You deposit a check,

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Speaker 1: you would draw the funds, and then you try to

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Speaker 1: short up from another bad account so that won't fall through,

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Speaker 1: and then another You basically play rop a dope on banks.

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Speaker 1: That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include

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Speaker 1: the money she conned off our friends, never paying them back,

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Speaker 1: theft of services almost a half a million dollars. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money, Jim, Oh, absolutely.

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Speaker 10: It's a lot of money. You mentioned earlier, you weren't

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Speaker 10: sure how she ever worked hard. She worked hard in

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Speaker 10: preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing all those bogus

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Speaker 10: checks and coming up with stories that were plausible but

494
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Speaker 10: yet not too specific. The life of the con is

495
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Speaker 10: hard work, and they do it for the for the power,

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Speaker 10: they do it for the money, They do it for

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Speaker 10: the same. I think she solved the banks as her

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Speaker 10: potential savior. You know, you think of of like Elizabeth

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Speaker 10: Holmes with Sarnos. You know, was she a genius or

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Speaker 10: was she a scam artist? You know, if if Sorkin

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Speaker 10: was able to produce all these phony documents and convince

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Speaker 10: a bank to lend her twenty two million dollars.

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Speaker 1: So why explain that to us, mere mortals? What do

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Speaker 1: you mean produce phony documents and convince big banks to

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Speaker 1: learn her a lots of money?

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Speaker 10: Sure it happened. You know, she apparently was really adept

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Speaker 10: in Adobe photoshop. I mean she was taking documents and

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Speaker 10: altering them to convince the bankers that she had Swiss

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Speaker 10: bank accounts, that she had trust documents, and she had

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Speaker 10: lawyers and CPAs or accountants over in Europe, and it

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Speaker 10: was going at least to a certain extent, probably till

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Speaker 10: it hit the underwriting department, the people in the back

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Speaker 10: of the office who make sure everything's all the boxes

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Speaker 10: are checked. It was it was painting a picture of her,

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Speaker 10: of exactly who she was claiming to be. And I

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Speaker 10: think if she she probably she possibly could have felt

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Speaker 10: that if she was able to land that loan, in

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Speaker 10: her mind, she probably was going to pay all those

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Speaker 10: people back that she had scamped her in her mind.

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Speaker 10: It's in her mind, and she may have we don't know.

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Speaker 10: She's kicking the can down the road. She's getting her

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Speaker 10: next victim, and when that, when it comes time to

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Speaker 10: pay them back, she'll worry about that later. It's never ending.

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Speaker 10: I mean, it's what brings down every ponzee scheme in

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Speaker 10: the end. And this wasn't a large scale ponzee scheme.

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Speaker 10: But you know, some of that money she scammed through

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Speaker 10: those phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and

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Speaker 10: the loan she got from City National Bank, she used

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Speaker 10: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels

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Speaker 10: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and

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Speaker 10: maintain that illusion.

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Speaker 1: Well, Jim Ellis, I guess what you're saying is she

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Speaker 1: would pay back the hotels to the extent that she

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Speaker 1: could get them to allow her to stay there for

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Speaker 1: even longer. I mean, what does it mean to Kyda check?

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Speaker 10: Well, to kaya check? And it's a lot harder nowadays

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Speaker 10: than it used to be because the float, which is

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Speaker 10: the time that the check is deposited in the one

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Speaker 10: bank and actually clears in the originating bank, it's so

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Speaker 10: much shorter. But you you basically taken a check and

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Speaker 10: you present it to a bank that you know is worthless,

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Speaker 10: or it may appear it has funds, but by the

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Speaker 10: time that check is presented for payment to the originating bank,

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Speaker 10: there aren't any.

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Speaker 1: Fund crime stories with Nancy Grace. In addition to whining

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Speaker 1: about her ankle monitor being unfashionable and a quote spectacle,

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Speaker 1: Delvy also has filed a bid to end her quote

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Speaker 1: draconian house arrest, claiming she has suffered quote severe emotional

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Speaker 1: distress and stress in her four thousand, two hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars a month New York apartment. Who is she

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at GMA Good Morning

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Speaker 1: America in New.

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Speaker 16: York City, Jury Finding, Social Life and asaur again a

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Speaker 16: so called SOHO grifter guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny,

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Speaker 16: attempted grand larcity, and theft of services.

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Speaker 13: The jurors obviously believed our point of view and followed

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Speaker 13: our logic and acquitted her for the top charges.

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Speaker 1: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of

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Speaker 1: the other charges.

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Speaker 16: Sorgan was acquitted of two charges, including the most serious,

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Speaker 16: attempting to steal more than one million dollars from City

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Speaker 16: National Bank.

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Speaker 1: Jay re Mecca Rosenburg joining us from Foxy's Digital explaining

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Speaker 1: the split verdict. What was she convicted on and on

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Speaker 1: what was she acquitted?

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Speaker 9: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty

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Speaker 9: million dollars loan.

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Speaker 1: Which was one of the top charges.

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Speaker 9: That was the attempted grand larceny, and she was acquitted

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Speaker 9: of stealing the number kind of varied, but around seventy

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Speaker 9: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she

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Speaker 9: invited her best friend at the time, Richard Deloshwan to Morocco,

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Speaker 9: where they stayed in the seven thousand a night riodd

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Speaker 9: in outside Americash and at the end of the trip

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Speaker 9: she stuck her with the bill. She persuaded her to

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Speaker 9: put the entire show on her credit card and she

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Speaker 9: would pay her back. So those were the two main

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Speaker 9: counts she was acquitted on and then she was convicted

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Speaker 9: in she was convicted in the chartered plane incident.

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Speaker 1: Right, well, let me let that side. Canra Becca Eisenberg?

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Speaker 1: The chartered plane incident? What was that?

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Speaker 9: So it was called Blade is the company, and she

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Speaker 9: persuaded them to fly her without paying up front to

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Speaker 9: a Berkshire Hathaway conference in Omaha and basically was like,

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Speaker 9: I'll pay you later, and they thought she'd paid them

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Speaker 9: later and she didn't. And that was about thirty five

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Speaker 9: thousand dollars. It was a chartered flight.

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Speaker 1: A chartered flight incident. Okay, so she ends up going

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Speaker 1: to not just jail, but to wrike her. Is anybody

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Speaker 1: on the panel familiar with rikers? Okay?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, just my reputation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to go there unless you have

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Speaker 1: to take a Listen to Anna Sorokan speaking to our

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Speaker 1: friend Debora Roberts at ABC.

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Speaker 3: Dorekan says she's paid for her mistakes, her time behind bars,

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Speaker 3: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Writers Island, jailed,

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Speaker 3: some of it in solitary confinement, you're being held in

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Speaker 3: Rikers one of the most frightening jails in the country.

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Speaker 1: What was that like for you? Were you terrified in a.

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Speaker 5: Way that was therapeutic?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a therapeutic I.

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Speaker 5: For example, use the time, like to read a lot

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Speaker 5: and to write.

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Speaker 3: You've heard that, you've said that it's the prison's kind

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Speaker 3: of a waste of time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, taking a person, straping them off everything, putting them

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Speaker 5: somewhere where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate.

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Speaker 5: So how is this supposed to help someone who already

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Speaker 5: had to reach to life of crime?

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Speaker 1: And that tells me right there that Anna Delvy aka

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Speaker 1: Anna Sorokan learned nothing from our time behind bars, Wendy

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Speaker 1: Patrick nothing.

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Speaker 4: It also tells us that she is admitting that she

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Speaker 4: resorted to a life of crime, which contradicts everything she

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Speaker 4: said before the trial and even in some interviews after

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Speaker 4: the trial. She knew because she wasn't working, as you

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Speaker 4: pointed out several times, there was no way she was

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Speaker 4: going to be able to repay these loans. But sitting

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Speaker 4: through the trial, sitting.

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Speaker 14: In Riker's Island prison therapeutic.

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Speaker 4: You have to wonder whether she received special treatment. We

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Speaker 4: don't know one way or the other, but it is

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Speaker 4: very interesting that her attitude apparently hasn't changed.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure she got special treatment because she had managed

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Speaker 1: to convince everyone that she was a celebrity that deserves

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Speaker 1: special treatment, you know, Rebecca Rosenberg. I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: understand the not guilty on the sixty grand she ripped

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Speaker 1: off from Rachel Delighth Williams. What was the jerry's thinking.

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Speaker 9: Well, I spoke to a couple full of jurors after

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Speaker 9: the verdict and they kind of felt that in the end,

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Speaker 9: Rachel came out ahead, even though it was this like

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Speaker 9: really stressful situation for her where she had put the

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Speaker 9: payment for this trip on her work visa card and

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Speaker 9: just you know, it was a sum of money that

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Speaker 9: was greater than what she earned.

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Speaker 1: As a salary.

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Speaker 10: But eventually, you know, she did.

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Speaker 9: She did end up with I think her book advance

639
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Speaker 9: was three hundred thousand dollars. I don't know what she

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Speaker 9: got paid from HBO. So I think that they just

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Speaker 9: didn't feel that bad for her.

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Speaker 1: But why because why do they not feel bad for

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Speaker 1: Rachel Williams.

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Speaker 9: Because she was also using Anna Soroken. You could say

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Speaker 9: like she, you know, it's sort of weird, like she's

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Speaker 9: going out with Anna all the time, and Anna it's

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Speaker 9: always paying for absolutely everything. You know, I personally wouldn't

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Speaker 9: feel that comfortable if I was going out with somebody,

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Speaker 9: even if they were much wealthier than me, with them

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Speaker 9: flitting the bill every time. So I think that was

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Speaker 9: kind of their reasoning.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what happens immediately when she walks

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Speaker 1: out from behind bars ar cut fourteen, Inside edition.

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Speaker 3: If you walked out of prison a free woman, high

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Speaker 3: on a it was the first thing you did that.

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Speaker 5: Brought me my phone, So I got on social media.

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Speaker 6: She came out of prison and immediately sat down to

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Speaker 6: do this interview with us, and immediately went on social

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Speaker 6: media and immediately started to resume kind of a glamorous life.

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Speaker 1: So the first thing she does is on social media.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you, doctor Rockwell, the same thing.

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Speaker 14: And tell of you, doctor Gray, that she didn't feel

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Speaker 14: all bad about one thing through this entire event, that

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Speaker 14: there's a lack of conscience, and that she was loving

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Speaker 14: the spotlight and she couldn't wait to get back into it.

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Speaker 14: As I say, it's an addiction. It makes the hormones

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Speaker 14: flash in your mind, you have do fan. Your brain

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Speaker 14: comes alive with your own image, and you love it,

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Speaker 14: you salivate over it. And that's what happened to Panna Sorkin.

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Speaker 1: Jim Ellis certified Fraught Examiner, are now with his own

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Speaker 1: firm JKE Texas dot Com. Jim shopaholics or people that

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Speaker 1: get a thrill out of buying things. I think Anna

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Speaker 1: Sorokan aka n Anna Delvey got a thrill of some

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Speaker 1: sort of this fake life she was leading. Do you

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Speaker 1: think someone like her can turn over a new leaf

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Speaker 1: or is this just who she is?

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Speaker 10: Well, that's a good question. I mean, I always hope

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Speaker 10: I did.

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Speaker 1: Say what you hope. Jim Ellis, you investigated so many

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Speaker 1: con guys, what do you think they don't stop?

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Speaker 10: I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately got back

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Speaker 10: on social media. And I agree with doctor Rockwell that

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Speaker 10: it was for the endorphin rush of getting that hit,

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Speaker 10: of getting that fame and putting out that projection. But

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Speaker 10: I think it's also a certain aspect that is rebuilding

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Speaker 10: her stature so that she can now see where she

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Speaker 10: can get her next meal ticket from. But who in

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Speaker 10: the right mind would want to work with somebody that

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Speaker 10: just got out of prison for defrauding hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 10: of dollars from the people she was closest to.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, this woman apparently has no shame. Instead of

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Speaker 1: trying to pay back her victims, she's whining about her

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Speaker 1: bedazzled ankle monitor. Well, with this woman, it never ends.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,