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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. There's a

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Speaker 2: book called the UFO Bombshell before Roswell, Missouri's nineteen forty

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Speaker 2: one UFO crash and cover up. Author Paul Blake Smith

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Speaker 2: joining us, and I'm getting some emails. Maybe I'll try

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Speaker 2: to get to some of those questions later, Paul, But

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Speaker 2: can you talk about some of the coincidences around this

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Speaker 2: Cape Gerardo incident from nineteen forty one, because it seems

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Speaker 2: like there's a couple of different US presidents that may

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Speaker 2: have passed through there or were made aware of. Can

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Speaker 2: you maybe talk about the connection of the one future

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Speaker 2: president that went through that area before the crash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very strange. But Senator Harry Truman was up

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Speaker 3: for re election in nineteen forty and not supported by

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Speaker 3: President Roosevelt. He wanted another Democrat to win that position,

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Speaker 3: but Harry won anyway, And while he was traveling through

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Speaker 3: the Cape Girardo area, he went south to Farmland near

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Speaker 3: our two airports, and he was there to look them

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Speaker 3: over to see if they were worthy of being approved

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Speaker 3: for fun So he probably passed right through the area

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Speaker 3: of the crash five months before it happened, and in

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Speaker 3: the aftermath of the crash a few years after, Harry

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Speaker 3: Truman was very strangely hand picked by FDR to be

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Speaker 3: US president because Roosevelt knew he was very sick and

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Speaker 3: was not going to make it through his next term.

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Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened. Did knowledge of the crash

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Speaker 3: vault Truman ahead of the line, It's certainly possible. He

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Speaker 3: would need no briefing. He was the Grand Master Freemason

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Speaker 3: of the state of Missouri and FDR was a thirty

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Speaker 3: second degree hardcore Freemason, so there was a bond there also.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, it's fascinating because sometimes celebrities get

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Speaker 2: involved in this too. And I've heard stories about Jackie

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Speaker 2: Gleeson showing interest in crash sites or presidents taking them

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Speaker 2: to show them what's been gathered. So you ever heard

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Speaker 2: of stories where let's say, celebrities get involved, like a

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Speaker 2: Jackie Gleeson for example, in connection to a crash like this.

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Speaker 3: Well, not the Cape Girardo crash, but I have written

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Speaker 3: an entire book that's been signed up to become a

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Speaker 3: future movie called the Nixon Gleeson Alien Encounter. That was

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Speaker 3: February of nineteen seventy three. But there was a celebrity

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Speaker 3: of sorts that knew about the crash. Evidently in forty one,

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Speaker 3: FDR's Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, a very famous man,

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Speaker 3: was at the Washington, DC Capitol Building with his cousin,

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Speaker 3: an Ohio pastor who once again had everything to lose

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Speaker 3: and nothing to gain by passing along this story that

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Speaker 3: they were. Hull swore Reverend Holt to secrecy, then took

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Speaker 3: him down under the Capitol where they saw in a

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Speaker 3: storeroom three glass jars with three dead aliens in them,

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Speaker 3: and boxes of metal debris, you know, as if it

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Speaker 3: was a spaceship that was a piece together or not

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Speaker 3: piece together. Actually the sections were apart and very lightweight

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Speaker 3: in nature. So Reverend Holt went home and told his

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Speaker 3: daughters some time later, and they repeated the story in

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Speaker 3: the late nineteen nineties before they passed away. And so

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Speaker 3: it was an exact match the description of what was

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Speaker 3: kept in this storeroom. And Freemasons like Harry Truman and

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Speaker 3: FDR have a great, great reference, reverence and respect for

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Speaker 3: the Capitol building. So in the days before the Pentagon

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Speaker 3: and the CIA and the NSA, where else would you

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Speaker 3: store these amazing items where they could be guarded by

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Speaker 3: DC police. Capitol Police and the Army had a liaison

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Speaker 3: office down under the Capitol right nearby, so it made

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Speaker 2: Wow, you know, I've heard the stories about Jackie Gleeson,

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Speaker 2: and it's so fascinating that you mentioned that you have

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Speaker 2: other projects, kind of looking at Hollywood and how sometimes

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Speaker 2: go check this out. Let me show you something cool.

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Speaker 2: How come no one ever says that to me, like,

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Speaker 2: let's go check out this really cool thing. No one's

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Speaker 2: ever offered to show me a crash site alien. But

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Speaker 2: Department of War, they're releasing documents, they're putting some videos out.

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Speaker 2: They're saying, draw your own conclusions because they're not drawing

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Speaker 2: their own. But even Vice President JD. Vance said that

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Speaker 2: one of his priorities he wants to go to Roswell

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Speaker 2: with clearance, I would go check this out. I would

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Speaker 2: Air Force Base. I would want to know what's at

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Speaker 2: the archives underneath in Washington, DC. That would be like

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Speaker 2: a top priority for me. Where would you want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah? If they ever contact you, please do contact me.

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Speaker 3: Because I've never seen a UFO or an alien. I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to make anything up. Boy, where would I

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Speaker 3: want to go today? It's tough to tell after all

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Speaker 3: these years where they would be storing this material of

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Speaker 3: the files, photographs, film footage. I just wish we had

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Speaker 3: agencies that are willing to release this. It's disconcerting to

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Speaker 3: know the CIA went into the Department of Homeland Security

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Speaker 3: offices recently they're overseer and just took off, maybe at

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Speaker 3: just stole them from the Department Homeland Security. Supposedly they

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Speaker 3: were related to the UFOs. I don't know if that's true,

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Speaker 3: but if so, that goes to show you the level

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Speaker 3: of secrecy continuing that our government and it's deepest, darkest

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Speaker 3: forms of black ops and state secrets that have been

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Speaker 3: kept for eighty five years. They don't want to give

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Speaker 3: them up. You know. President Trump issued that proclamation on

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Speaker 3: February nineteenth, the exact anniversary date of the Eisenhower encounter

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Speaker 3: and the Nixon Gleason encounter. Coincidence.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, right there's a silver lining to this,

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Speaker 2: because they could have just destroyed these things and no

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Speaker 2: these different letters where they're trying to research and understand

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Speaker 2: the technology, I guess the silver lining is they didn't

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Speaker 2: destroy it because they thought there was some value in

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Speaker 2: studying it. So maybe they still exist somewhere that we'll

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Speaker 2: be able to get it at some point, which, by

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Speaker 2: the way, other presidents were involved. Wasn't there a scientist

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Speaker 2: that wrote a letter to President Reagan? So this would

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Speaker 2: have been I mean forty years after the thing, right.

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Speaker 3: Edward Teller was a friend of Ronald Reagan back in

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Speaker 3: the sixties, and he wrote a letter in the early

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Speaker 3: eighties after Reagan assumed office, and in the letter, here's

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Speaker 3: a sentence. I'll read it directly a minutes. A menace

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Speaker 3: greater than nuclear arm race exists. It does not originate

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Speaker 3: here on Earth, but comes from space itself. A danger

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Speaker 3: was perceived in nineteen thirty nine, only two years before

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Speaker 3: a UFO was captured and Pearl Harbor now, g golly,

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Speaker 3: what was a UFO that we captured two years after

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Speaker 3: nineteen thirty nine. I think that's yet another piece of

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Speaker 3: the puzzle, another confirmation that Cape Girardo was a very

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Speaker 3: real event. It just keeps getting overshadowed by Roswell.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, so we all have the eyes on Roswell,

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Speaker 2: and I think because there's a base there. So in

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Speaker 3: I don't think. So there's a story that someone posted

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Speaker 3: They wouldn't tell me much about it. So I flew

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Speaker 3: think after the war, he said, and the farmer said

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Speaker 3: he wasn't aware of any spaceship crash. However, he was

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Speaker 3: digging a cistern, a big tank to the stall in

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Speaker 3: They couldn't be cut or bent, and they had strange

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Speaker 3: And he said he collected them all and he stored

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Speaker 3: A few years before this young man arrived to question him,

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Speaker 3: with the debris, but this would be, of course solid gold.

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Speaker 3: If someone could bring this forward, it would be proof

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Speaker 3: positive that this really did happen, maybe in a bank

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Speaker 3: vault or stored in somebody's attic somewhere. Someone's got a

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Speaker 3: or a photograph or a report or a diary that

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Speaker 3: he wrote. I'm still mildly optimistic that someone will come

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Speaker 3: forward as the damn breaks and more government files are released,

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Speaker 3: even though it's been mighty slow so far. The film

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Speaker 2: It well, kind of yes and no. I'm impressed that

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Speaker 2: they art releasing something. I like that, but sometimes you

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Speaker 2: look at it and you say, Okay, there could be

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Speaker 2: another explanation for this. You just don't know what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's nothing solid. But I will say that when you're

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Speaker 2: watching something move consistently, they're not balloons in the air

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Speaker 2: like the wind would make it look different if it

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Speaker 1: This looked like.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of things that are looked like it's

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Speaker 2: propelled by something, so people try their conclusions. I think

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Speaker 2: it is kind of neat to see some of these,

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Speaker 2: but it's not the smoking gun that you're waiting for

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Speaker 2: something else. I was going to talk about Cape Girardo.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes you hear about these encounters where there's crash sites

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Speaker 2: and along with it is radiation. So did anyone at

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Speaker 3: I checked the Cape Charton newspapers, they actually have a

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Speaker 3: I haven't noticed anything in particular that is a red flag.

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Speaker 3: I did read one like online comment that there is

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Speaker 3: a radiated area of someone who had a farm in

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Speaker 3: it was just so darn vague. It's an interesting concept

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Speaker 3: that maybe vegetation to this day doesn't grow. But I've

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Speaker 3: checked aerial photos, you know, Google Earth, Satellite Earth, and

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Speaker 3: I don't see anything too smoking, gunnish, if you want

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Speaker 3: to call it that. I wish someone would come forward

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Speaker 3: and say I own the farm where the crash occurs.

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Speaker 3: But the whole world would descend on this farm. So

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Speaker 3: even if I knew the side, I'm not telling anyone.

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Speaker 3: I don't want people's private home and their business trampled

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Speaker 3: upon by sightseers and people digging around in the soil.

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Speaker 2: It would just be madness, right, Okay, I would feel

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Speaker 2: that would be what I would do. I would probably

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Speaker 2: spend a week trying to find anything. Even though we're

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Speaker 2: so many years removed from it. I almost feel like

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Speaker 2: there could be something left there. But you don't want

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Speaker 2: I get that too, right. When I think of Cape Girardo,

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Speaker 2: the first thing as a radio broadcaster that comes to

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Speaker 2: mind is Rush Limbaugh and I know this would have

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Speaker 2: happened before he was born, but is there any evidence

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Speaker 2: that perhaps Rush Limbaugh was aware and knew about this

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Speaker 2: to this influence him at all? This crash slight.

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Speaker 3: Well, I had a pretty good arm as a little boy,

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Speaker 3: so they made me a pitcher in little league, and

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Speaker 3: guy named Rusty Rusty Saw. He was on local Cape

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Speaker 3: Gerardo radio and you know him better as Rush Limbaugh.

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Speaker 3: He was calling the balls and strikes. But he had

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Speaker 3: to leave Cape Girardo to become famous, and he became

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Speaker 3: a syndicated, I think international radio star. And in around

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Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, someone called his live program and asked, Rush,

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Speaker 2: I would believe that because if you're from any place

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Speaker 3: I'm only mildly optimistic. It's like you've had this sorps

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Speaker 3: You know, they've had all this opportunity to censor and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm impressed that they are doing something, because every politician,

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Speaker 2: maybe the government could catch up to research that's already

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