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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi, welcome back to Are You a Charlotte?

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Speaker 1: I love my guest today so much. It is Heather Graham.

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Speaker 1: She has an incredible actress. She was on the show

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Speaker 1: Sex and the City in the fifth season, but mostly

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Speaker 1: she's on the show today because she's a superfan and

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Speaker 1: she has so many thoughts and feelings and I have

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Speaker 1: loved her work for so long. She was in to

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Speaker 1: name just a few drugstore cowboy boogie nights, Austin Bowers,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Hangover. I could go on and on

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Speaker 1: and on. Her career has been fantastic and she is

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Speaker 1: a joy. And this particular episode is a thrilling episode.

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Speaker 1: It is called X and the City. It's the end

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Speaker 1: of season two. It aired October third, nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 1: which sounds like I'm making that up, but no. And

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Speaker 1: the funny thing about this one is it's written and

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Speaker 1: dred by Michael Patrick King, who then you know, went

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Speaker 1: on to write and direct the movies and just like that,

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Speaker 1: and we left him very much, and I think it

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Speaker 1: might be one of our best all time episodes. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think it's my favorite episode ever.

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Speaker 1: I think so too. I was rewatching it and one

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Speaker 1: of the things about rewatching, which is interesting is that,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know, when you're in something, you have

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Speaker 1: your own memories, which might have to do with what

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Speaker 1: different things. Right, So I remember pieces of this episode

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Speaker 1: and I didn't remember that they were all together in

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really interesting we're talking about this

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Speaker 2: today because of Robert Redford, you know, and.

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Speaker 1: The way we were I mean that way we.

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Speaker 2: Were seen at the end where you talk about Hubble

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Speaker 2: and all that stuff, and he just died. And of

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Speaker 2: course when an iconic, amazing person, I know.

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Speaker 1: An amazing person, and I have to say, I have

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Speaker 1: that he was eighty nine and he died in his sleep.

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Speaker 2: No, he had a wonderful life. Look at all the

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Speaker 2: incredible things he did.

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Speaker 1: Know what a leader. Yeah, I mean like for us

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Speaker 1: You know, that was who we looked at as He's

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Speaker 1: probably one of my first crushes here, right, that was

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Speaker 1: my first film I ever saw. My Mother is the

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Speaker 1: She took me to the theaters because no one thought

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Speaker 2: Lucky I was not allowed to see like an R

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Speaker 1: I don't even everyone's getting killed and I'm just sitting there.

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Speaker 1: But I was so it's such a beautiful, beautiful film

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Speaker 1: I mean, really what I watched it. I had chills

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Speaker 1: And it was very cool seeing that in a.

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Speaker 2: even think of a show that expressed like, you don't

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Speaker 2: You can just feel good about yourself, wear a fabulous dress,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I think for me as well. You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't have the confidence that the characters had,

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Speaker 1: More like going home home. I was already sober at

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Speaker 2: That get to the celebrating whatever. But yeah, I've always

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Speaker 1: It's like an accomplishment, like where it's accomplishment very much.

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Speaker 1: Like this was like, yeah, we're single and we're fabulous, right,

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Speaker 1: Yes, no, you're absolutely right. I mean there are a

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, I feel now a lot of shows

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Speaker 2: But there's not just like, you know, just like having

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Speaker 1: Right right now, I know, I know, I mean there

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I do think that there was this stress

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Speaker 1: to look at Carrie and beg and this episode where

437
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,719
Speaker 1: is when we learn that he's engaged to Natasha and

438
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,639
Speaker 1: her different struggles with it, and then at the end,

439
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean, we're going to get there

440
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 1: in the rewatch, but the theme of what we're talking

441
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 1: about when she said she refers to you know, your

442
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,560
Speaker 1: girl is lovely hubble, right, which is the callback to

443
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,719
Speaker 1: the way we were and Robert Redford Barbara Streisan and

444
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 1: he says, I don't get it, and she says, and

445
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 1: you never did, right, It is so good.

446
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 2: It's such a good line, right, and you never got her?

447
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't deserve her, Yeah, you know.

448
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

449
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 1: I mean obviously we go through many things later and

450
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,080
Speaker 1: it works out differently, but like in that moment, and

451
00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,080
Speaker 1: he's also wearing this brown suit and I'm like, oh,

452
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 1: I mean I also think and not that she hasn't

453
00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:02,359
Speaker 1: been lauded and awarded, but like Sarah, Jessica is so good. Yeah,

454
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: she's great. I mean the depth, Like in that scene

455
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 1: with him at the end, you know, when she does

456
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 1: say and you never did, she delivers it so lightly. Well,

457
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: it's so relatable.

458
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who hasn't sat around with her girlfriends talking

459
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 2: about a breakup and just feeling confused and.

460
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: Trying to like process it.

461
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,959
Speaker 2: And then just I think the moment at the end

462
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,400
Speaker 2: was her just deciding to feel good about herself even

463
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 2: though that relationship didn't work out and to feel how

464
00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 2: amazing she is and she doesn't need that guy to

465
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,600
Speaker 2: affirm her that she can just absolutely affirm herself basically

466
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: that he didn't even.

467
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: Get her right, you know, like after two years of

468
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,120
Speaker 1: her stressing about him and trying so hard and doing

469
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,919
Speaker 1: this and doing that and trying to get him to

470
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: talk and you know, following him around and you different things, right,

471
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: and then for her to finally go like, oh, yeah,

472
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 1: you're with that beautiful but kind of simple girl, and

473
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 1: you're wearing a brown suit, you know, and I'm amazing,

474
00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, like she is. She doesn't have to say it,

475
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,120
Speaker 1: it's just how it is, right. And then the comparison

476
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: to the Barbari States and Rebert Redford relationship in the

477
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: way we were that we basically say, which I had

478
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 1: also kind of forgotten. That whole scene is super interesting

479
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 1: with all four of us where we're kind of re

480
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: enacting and Samantha.

481
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,919
Speaker 2: Has so she turns and looks at the car.

482
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: I can't believe there's a scene to be but it's

483
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 1: also kind of adorable because it's such an unusual position

484
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: for her to be in, right, but not knowing everything

485
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: about everything, you know what I mean. But I love

486
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: when we're when we're retelling the story of it to

487
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: Samantha and we say, you know, Barbaras is there with

488
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: her curly hair, and she's really complicated, and then he

489
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 1: ends up with the other lady who has straight hairs,

490
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: really simble, which is obviously Charlotte.

491
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 2: That's fine, but yeah, that's just like we know as

492
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 2: opposed to you know, Bridgin moynihan, who is a lovely person.

493
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 2: I know her and I with her. You know, they

494
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 2: didn't develop that character where you really cared about her

495
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 2: or knew her that.

496
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and that's unfortunate so many ways. And she

497
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 1: and I talked about that because I do feel like

498
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of messed up what Carrie did.

499
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they both kind of were so nice

500
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 2: to her.

501
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: No, no, and she didn't deserve that, you know. But

502
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: that's partly why we wanted to have her on just

503
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 1: like that too, to kind of have a like give

504
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,000
Speaker 1: her some credit, you know, that character, of course, And

505
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: I do love Bridget and she played she played that

506
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: character so well. And the thing she told me, which

507
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: was funny, and then we're gonna rewatch the thing that

508
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: she told me. That was funny was she didn't have

509
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: any idea what it was, or they'd give her like

510
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 1: two pages or that she'd come back like they just

511
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 1: call her and say like, are you available and she

512
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 1: say yes. There was no contract.

513
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 2: Wow, So they didn't let her read the whole script.

514
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: That is horrible as an actor, I know.

515
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and look at how she was I know, right,

516
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,400
Speaker 1: like I think she just brought she's.

517
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: Kind of I mean, she's so beautiful and she has

518
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,080
Speaker 2: a real elegance. So if you were dating a guy

519
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: and then he started dating her, and especially if you

520
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: know she's younger or whatever as in the story, yeah,

521
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: that would be so threatening.

522
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: And you know, and also she's just so different. She's

523
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: so cool perfect, there's like a perfect coolness about her.

524
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: You know, she's so perfectly into the waspy world of.

525
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean you can see why, you know what

526
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean, which is I mean it was perfect casting.

527
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: So she's just so good. Yeah, and she brought that,

528
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: which is amazing. All right, let's do this technical rewatch part.

529
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: That was really funny cool Okay, the X and the City. Okay,

530
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: this is fun because a lot everyone has an amazing storyline,

531
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: which is hard to do, really hard with four you know, leads, right,

532
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 1: So we begin I didn't remember any of this. Carrie

533
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: and Miranda are out there. They're at a bodega. They're

534
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 1: debating dish you by the five dollars flowers the last

535
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: three days or the ten dollar flowers that last five days.

536
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: It's all very funny and relatable and real. And then

537
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,679
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Miranda looks down the street and

538
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: see Steve coming with the basketball. It is so adorable

539
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: and like a little child, she turns and she runs away,

540
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: which is so cute. And that's when you kind of

541
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 1: really realize. And again I'm rewatching this whole relationship and

542
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: thinking how incredible it is so beautifully written to Steve.

543
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: Miranda and so lovable, and it's cool how Miranda is

544
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: like she's kind of this like strong career woman. But

545
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: then she has this other side, which is like, you know,

546
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 2: it's adorable.

547
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: Definitely, And I think you really see that clearly here

548
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: because they've been broken up, right, so she's seeing him

549
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: and her response is to literally run with Carrie, which

550
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: is so funny and not Miranda, Like that's kind of

551
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 1: how you know that this is not her regular relationship.

552
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: This is something more, and she's just struggling within, like

553
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: what does that mean for me? You know, because she

554
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: was so rooting for Steve.

555
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: When I was watching the show, Steve, you know, I.

556
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 1: Was not rooting for Steve. You Originally, I don't know

557
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: what I thought. I just thought, like, I just thought

558
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: it was odd. But when I look back on it,

559
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm blown over Number one by how incredible he is.

560
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: And number two is just beautiful writing. They're different, but

561
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: they're complementary, and that's what she needs. She needs some

562
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: grounding and some optimism so sweet, so sweet, it just cuts.

563
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Through her like kind of you know, her tough atitude, her.

564
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: Stick, you know what I'm saying. And I think, like,

565
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,639
Speaker 1: you know, I do feel sad when I look back

566
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: because I know what's coming, which people definitely had a

567
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: lot of feelings about. I know it is sad. It

568
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: is sad, but I mean, sometimes things don't work out

569
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: all right. Back to the episode back. This is the

570
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: funny thing too, about looking back, because we have had

571
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: this joy of getting to create these characters for so

572
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: incredibly long, and it's crazy to think that this aired

573
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine. That is wild.

574
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: I mean, that's so cool that it culturally is still

575
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: people are still watching it.

576
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: It's so true. I have a question. Yeah, so I

577
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: always had a house here in LA and I would

578
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: go to work in New York, and then I would

579
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: come back here to like rest, right and then in

580
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: between seasons. Definitely. And one time I think I was

581
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: at a coffee Bean and Tea Leaf, possibly on Sunset Boulevard,

582
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: and I think you were there, and I think you

583
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: were there with Heath Ledger.

584
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I dated him, and in fact, I think we

585
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 2: might have watched the show together, and I think he

586
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: actually really liked it. I remember us watching it and

587
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: him being like, I can relate to this, because I

588
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know, because sometimes you try to

589
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: get guys to watch it, and some guys loved it,

590
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: but other guys would be.

591
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.

592
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: That's a girl show, of course, but no, I remember

593
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: watching the show with him.

594
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: We were standing there in line and I'm by myself,

595
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 1: and you know that thing like when you're newly famous

596
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, they're famous. You're looking

597
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: at them, but you I think I know about you.

598
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: I like forget that I'm fan, Like, oh, my god,

599
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking to shoot. At the time, you too, were

600
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: just like this ray of light in this coffee bean.

601
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: I do remember that. And you were like kind of

602
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 1: like giggling and touching each other, and I was just

603
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: like like just like like hold it together, like I

604
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: was just you. I wish you would have talked to

605
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: I know, I wish I would have too. It's one

606
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: of those times where you're like, darn, I should not

607
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: have been shy. But also I felt protective, like I

608
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: didn't want to call attention to you because you seemed

609
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: very free, do you know me nice? I was very

610
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: in love with him. Yeah, I know. He's kind of amazing. Yeah,

611
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: I mean, and the two of you looked so similar

612
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: and beautiful. What I'm saying. Yeah, I was just like, wow,

613
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: I'm like bowled over by these people and I have

614
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: to just stand here.

615
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: And I got a lot of cool pictures of when

616
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: I dated him, and I thought at one point like

617
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 2: maybe I should do like a photo album, but I

618
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 2: think people would look I'm not really sure because I

619
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: don't really Then they were like, you have to get

620
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: the family permission. But I have some really cool pictures

621
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: of when we dated.

622
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: I mean, of course you would want to be respectful,

623
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like what an incredible light

624
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,959
Speaker 1: and gift he was and such a sad sad you know,

625
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: too short. His life was cut too short by pure accident,

626
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: which was like horrible and tragic. But do you remember that?

627
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: And I had forgotten. I was going to ask you

628
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: before we started if it was okay, But no.

629
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: No, I feel proud that I dated him. Yeah, yeah, sure, you.

630
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: Had a special so fun.

631
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you guys look so I wish he

632
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: was still alive.

633
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: That would be nice, you know, Yeah, I know it's terrible.

634
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: It's so talented, it is some of these really bright

635
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: lights kind of you know, don't get to live so long.

636
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: You know, if you look at like I do, iconic,

637
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: you know, Jimi Hendrix, Jannis Joplin, you know, different amazing.

638
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh, there's so many artists. Yeah, that's why when you

639
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: think about Robert Redford, it's really amazing.

640
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a long I mean, if you die

641
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: when you're like ninety, that's a good life.

642
00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: And he were to pay.

643
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: You didn't have cancer, you didn't like suffer for Alzheimer's

644
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: or something like that.

645
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: It's so incredible. It's so incredible and he obviously deserves that,

646
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: and I hope he's you know, yeah with the trees,

647
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: totally right.

648
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: I didn't need him once at Sunday, did he. He

649
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: had a little thing around the me too time and

650
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,479
Speaker 2: he had me come and talk about it, and I

651
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: just remember he was really respectful and he has that

652
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: amazing energy where it just feels like he can quietly

653
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: be there, be this presence and you can really just

654
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: feel this amazing energy. Amazing and of course out of

655
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 2: Africa too, that's another amazing Robert Redford, did you want

656
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: to have the funniest thing? I watched it recently because

657
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: I went to Africa for the first time, which, oh,

658
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: by the way, you did that show in Africa.

659
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, times. I was jealous.

660
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: I'm one of the producers I work with. I'm like,

661
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: what an incredible job. You got to go on a

662
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: safari in Africa.

663
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: But you worked with the producer there who was on

664
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: my movie? Yeah lackey, No, no, not the producer there.

665
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: He lives here.

666
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: What's the name again, it's fine whatever, yeah.

667
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, he's yeah, he is.

668
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: But but but no, so I rewatched out of Africa.

669
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: And then I was going back and reading about it

670
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 2: and uh, and I was reading there were these.

671
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Reviews when it came out where they were trashing the

672
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: movie Can You Be?

673
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: And they were trashing his performance, and I was thinking, you,

674
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 2: that's why you can't take any reviews seriously, because it's like,

675
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: you know.

676
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: Oh, yes, that was an amazing performance.

677
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: He's like anconic chacter in that movie, right, and her

678
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: as well, And you know they didn't enough to get

679
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: that part.

680
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: I had to go buy a push up bra like

681
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: turn herself up for Sydney Pollock. What on earth our business?

682
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: So Sydney Pollack has done some great movies incredibly.

683
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying no, but it is.

684
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 2: Hard to learn about do that, you know.

685
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: And that then people criticize Redford.

686
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: Oh and they were talking about how the movie wasn't

687
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: good and criticizing that he didn't do it, and I'm like,

688
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: what are they talking about?

689
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: People are insane? You know, That's actually why I ended

690
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: up having my obsession. I mean, it was the leaping

691
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: off point of me wanting to go and you know,

692
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: then wow, you know, watching.

693
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: That guy, They're like, I got to go to Africa.

694
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: Definitely, and it is. It is. We're going to talk

695
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: about that later. Okay, back to the episode. All right,

696
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: we're on the street, we see Steve. He's adorable in

697
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: his basketball outfit, and Miranda runs off, which is kind

698
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: of funny. So then they go to we all have

699
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: work together. We're having a Basically, we're in the classic

700
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: coffee shop scene. Now we have it established. For a while,

701
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: we were in different restaurants. Now we have our set,

702
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: we're in the scene. Those days would be very long days,

703
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: as you can imagine, so you guys always ate at

704
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: the same restaurant we did. It was interesting, okay, okay.

705
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: Previous to us building our coffee shop set, you were

706
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: in like different a sort of place. But then we

707
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: got our set and we could just be there for

708
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: eighteen hours and film every angle with beautiful lighting. So

709
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: that was great. The big thing that I love to

710
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: think about from this, and I think it's still a

711
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: really big issue, is can people be friends with exes?

712
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: And in general, I think there's also a subtext of

713
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: can you have guy friends as a woman, you know,

714
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: a straight woman. I guess I should say I don't

715
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: know if that matters or or not, but you know,

716
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: and basically Samantha is like women are for friendships and

717
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: men are for fucking just very Samantha, Yes, very Samantha.

718
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: I know, But I mean I personally love my male friends, right.

719
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: I have.

720
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: One of my best friends is a guy. He gives

721
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: me hope and like the whole gender, He's one of

722
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: the nicest, best people I've ever known. He is like

723
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: a brother. I love his wife, I love their daughter.

724
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: So I think for sure they can be friends.

725
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it's important. Yeah, I would go

726
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: in terms of being friends with your ax.

727
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: I think it's possible, but maybe that's slightly more complicated.

728
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: But being friends with the guy likes right, I mean,

729
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: I think, what.

730
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: Do you think X? I think you have to be

731
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: careful that you're being fully honest with yourself about what

732
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: you're doing, right, Like, are you really just hoping that

733
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: you're going to get back together? For me, it would

734
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: be am I still codependently taking care of this person

735
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: interest in which I can totally relate to. Seeing then

736
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: I have to cut that. I don't want to. I

737
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 1: never want to leave anywhere.

738
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 2: What they talk about an episode like why should you

739
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: throw away you spent so much time with this person

740
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: and then it's not working, You're like, and then you

741
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: just throw them away and never talk to them again.

742
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: I know, I agree, I agree, But that's also how

743
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: I've gotten into some not great situations where like I'm

744
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: still on the phone hearing about whatever, you know what

745
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't really have energy for that.

746
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: That sounds bad. Why am I? Why am I taking

747
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: care of this person in motional you know what? An

748
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: occasional happy birthday? You know, that's fine, So glad you're

749
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: doing well. I always want to be civil. I mean,

750
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: there's very few that I wouldn't want to be civil

751
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: to gosh.

752
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: So you're not exactly like Charlotte, no, no, no.

753
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: But I definitely am.

754
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 2: Are you a Charlotte that I am like?

755
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: Half Charlotte? Half care right? Okay?

756
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

757
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Should we just ask you now too, because okay, yeah,

758
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: well I kind of it is sort of.

759
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: When I was younger, I think I did relate more

760
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: to the other characters because I think I was rebelling

761
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: against a traditional upbringing, you know. But I do think

762
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: now that I have incorporated more more Charlotte into my personality.

763
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but when you say other characters. Do you

764
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: mean Samantha, Do you mean Miranda? I mean, I could

765
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: relate to Carrie.

766
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: I think if Carrie is kind of like a romantic

767
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: has like you know, her love life is kind of

768
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: going through all these ups and downs. I could relate

769
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: to Miranda, who's like kind of a career woman, who's

770
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: just like I want to have a career, I want

771
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: to be independent, I want to try to achieve things.

772
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: I want to be self sufficient and related to that, right,

773
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: And I could relate to just I mean, Samantha just

774
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,400
Speaker 2: be I mean, I mean I was never that wild,

775
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 2: but I definitely you know, it was a little wild.

776
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure. What's great about Samantha is that she

777
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: just owns it.

778
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: You know. No, I guess, but an alter ego part

779
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: of me would have loved to be more wild.

780
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,919
Speaker 1: But do you remember your Lenny Kravitz American woman? Yeah,

781
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: it was like so powerful and so in a Samantha vane,

782
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: you know.

783
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 2: No, I think when I grew up, I was a

784
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: nerdy kid, awkward. I was not seen as as pretty,

785
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 2: so I did feel like as an actor, I.

786
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: Was pretending to be this like sexual when.

787
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: In reality I was pretty much just like I had

788
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: boyfriends and you know whatever. But then I felt like

789
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: I played at this other side, which is like this

790
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: sexual art alter ego. Do you know that song called

791
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: alter ego? Yeah, that's amazing.

792
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: No, I do feel like I acted out.

793
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: Like an alternate side of myself.

794
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: What about roller Girl? Right? So that's that.

795
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: That's that right, that's incredible perform I.

796
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: Mean I love that performances. Sometimes I just think about

797
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: you bashing that guy. Oh my god, that was a

798
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: fun scene. Start right. I want to do things like that,

799
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, like we need places to I just had.

800
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: There were two gates we used.

801
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: I donated one pair to the Academy Museum, and then

802
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 2: this other pair was bought by my friend, this guy,

803
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: this super successful director, Mike Flanagan. I'm working with him

804
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: on this new Carry TV show. But he bought that

805
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: the main pair.

806
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: That I wore.

807
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: He just bought them because he owns all this movie memorabilia.

808
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: So he owns like the roller skates and like an outfit.

809
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: It's really funny. He sat me a picture. He's like,

810
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: is this what you were in the movie?

811
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like yeah, and he's like, okay, I'm buying it.

812
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes I wonder, you know what I mean, like sometimes

813
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: because there's like six two two's that supposedly we're all

814
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and I know, yeah, everyone tells me.

815
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: When they tell me that they have it, I'm like, okay, wow,

816
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: because I think Michael Patrick has it. Hanger but okay,

817
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: I know maybe there was more than one Maybee. Who knows.

818
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: But I just had such a flashback of that, of

819
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: that part and the joy of watching.

820
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: That, you know, that was really fun.

821
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean, so yeah, okay, back to the show. I'm distracting.

822
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: You just stopped its greater you're kidding. I mean, it's

823
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: a joy. It's a joy to be having you here

824
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: talking about it.

825
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun, you No, honestly, it's really fun because

826
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how much the show really

827
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: did mean to me.

828
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: So thanks. It's incredible to be part of something that

829
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: means things to people.

830
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is.

831
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: It is the best part of our business for sure.

832
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: It pretty much evens out all the hard anything.

833
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, it does, It really does.

834
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: And we're just so lucky. Okay, So here we are,

835
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: we're at the table. We're discussing, you know. Uh, and

836
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: Carrie says it kind of a deep thing, which is

837
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: what you were just referring to. She says, if you

838
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: love someone and you break up, where does the love go?

839
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: And Samantha says something like to the other girlfriend. But

840
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean really it is a deep question, like if

841
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: you've really spent time with that person and gotten to

842
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: know that person kind of you know, like had a

843
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: really deep exchange with that person, like then it's just

844
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: over bam, like how why? You know? But this has

845
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: also led me down some bad roads. So so this

846
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: I relate to this.

847
00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 2: I really want to hear much.

848
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, part of the podcast, I'm just I'm so back

849
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to the Charlotte part, the part of me, and it

850
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: is kind of what you refer to about Carrie being

851
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: a romantic. She is a romantic too, right in her

852
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: own way, Like it looks different for her than it

853
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: looks for Charlotte. Right, Charlotte is much more of kind

854
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: of what society tells you like marriage, family, kids, puffy

855
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: wedding dress, you know, blah blah blah. I never had that,

856
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: but I do have the romantic side where like it's

857
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: hard for me to let go. You know, I believe

858
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: in love, you know, I'm you know, might beleeve too much,

859
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, when all the signs would be telling me

860
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: like get out.

861
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 2: Like I can go into a fantasy in my head

862
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: and like go, well, you know, not always see reality.

863
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: One hundred percent as can I, as can I, And

864
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's important to be able to

865
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: do that, certainly for our jobs, but I think also

866
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: for life, right, because you can't like kind of imagine

867
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: the possibilities, then it's just hard. Life is hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

868
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: So I kind of have one it in both both camps.

869
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: But sometimes when I'm watching back and I look at

870
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: everyone's point of view, and then those scenes where we

871
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: do all have four very distinct points of view, I

872
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: can kind of go with everybody, you know what I mean,

873
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, oh, yeah, she's right, it's got a

874
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: good point. Yeah. And then I'm like, oh no, she's

875
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: right too. And then I'm like, oh, yeah, we're all right,

876
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: which is kind of good. That's good writing, right, So

877
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: then oh, we have such a great, great shot at

878
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: Sara Jessica. I love to watch the shots of Sara

879
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: Jessica evolve over time of her writing and her wearing

880
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: a sort of different underwear she's so good with her

881
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: body and this one is hot. But it's just a

882
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: beautiful if you look at the beginning of our show

883
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: and then like where it goes visually, Yeah, it's just incredible. Yeah.

884
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: And again that was HBO allowing us and our dps,

885
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: and I remember different directors coming in and kind of

886
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: like upping the game, you.

887
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 2: Know, and wardrobe of course totally.

888
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: But also we had to get more money, you know,

889
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: like when Molly came on, she reminded me that we

890
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 1: had ten thousand dollars for the whole first season. What

891
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: how did you guys do it?

892
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: Don't know, don't know, got a bunch of free stuff?

893
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: We didn't because no one knew who we were and

894
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: what we were doing. The Fendy bag was the first one, right,

895
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: and that was Sara Jessica kind of you know, just

896
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: using her relationships and getting one and then it you know,

897
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: went from there. And she would she would so sweetly

898
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: make so much effort to show it, Like I remember

899
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: doing scenes where she put it on her plate, we like,

900
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: are you sure she's like just till the food comes.

901
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: I remember like the episode that I did that she

902
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: was and she was pregnant and so she was trying

903
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: to hide her pregnant belly with a purse and that

904
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: was hard.

905
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: Because her stomach. It so didn't work because I think

906
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: she brought her her Kelly or Burke or whatever, and

907
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: she she had it and it worked. But then the

908
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: sun would hit and her shadow on the street would

909
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: be pregnant. I know that would of course, of course,

910
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: good for her and good for them for trying. And

911
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: then at a certain point they were like, everybody go home,

912
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: so free obviously, you know. Yeah, and also Cynthia was

913
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: pregnant at that point. Yeah, a little bit later, but

914
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: the same year, so they were like, just go home,

915
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: we'll see you in a year. And it all worked out.

916
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: At the time, it seemed very stressful, but it all

917
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: worked out. Okay. Heather Graham is just too much fun.

918
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: So she's going to continue breaking down Exit the City

919
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: with us. So please come back and hear part two

920
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: with Heather Graham of Are You a Charlotte