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Speaker 1: the volume. Happy Monday, everybody. Ovall. If you guys had
Speaker 1: a great weekend, Hope you enjoyed the holiday. We took
Speaker 1: a little break ourselves. We've been off the last five days,
Speaker 1: but it's very good to be back and we have
Speaker 1: a jam packed show for you guys. Today. We're going
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about the summer League debuts
Speaker 1: from Barnie James as well as Dalton connect After that,
Speaker 1: I want to get into the Golden State Warriors. They
Speaker 1: had an interesting weekend. They ended up getting Buddy Healed
Speaker 1: in a sign in trade to replace that Klay Thompson
Speaker 1: type of role of movement shooter off the bench. I
Speaker 1: kind of want to take a look at the Warriors
Speaker 1: off season as a whole right now. With Buddy Held
Speaker 1: in the picture, Kyle Anderson in the picture, of de
Speaker 1: Anthony Melton in the picture, what does a Lori market
Speaker 1: in trade look like? Is it worth it to include
Speaker 1: a guy like Jonathan Kaminga in a deal like that?
Speaker 1: I want to dive into the Warriors off season. And
Speaker 1: then at the tail end of the show, DeMar Derozen
Speaker 1: is now with the Sacramento Kings in a very interesting
Speaker 1: deal that gets three years and seventy four million dollars
Speaker 1: for Damarrow. But since Harrison Barnes to the San Antonio Spurs,
Speaker 1: I actually really like the basketball fit of Derozen with Sacramento.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that, but I ask some
Speaker 1: concerns about Sacramento's roster moving forward that we'll get into.
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Speaker 1: all right, let's talk some basketball. So an underwhelming NBA
Speaker 1: Summer League debut for Brownie James four points, two for nine,
Speaker 1: shooting at a couple of assists, a couple of rebounds,
Speaker 1: and his steel. Before we get into any of the
Speaker 1: actual kind of analysis side of things, I want to
Speaker 1: just kind of give you guys my impression on summer
Speaker 1: league basketball in general. This is I've been to Summer
Speaker 1: League the last two years. I've always watched Summer League
Speaker 1: very closely as an opportunity to learn about these prospects
Speaker 1: as they start playing against other pros. And that's the thing, Like,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say about you know how much
Speaker 1: NBA level talent is on the floor when you go
Speaker 1: to Summer league these are pros. Most of these guys
Speaker 1: were you know, all conference selections when they were coming
Speaker 1: out of whether it was they played mid major basketball,
Speaker 1: they played high major Division one basketball. A lot of
Speaker 1: these guys play professionally overseas. Like this is a good
Speaker 1: amount of talent, right, Like this is a good opportunity
Speaker 1: to see your favorite prospects play against really talented players.
Speaker 1: That said, there is a weird dynamic that takes place
Speaker 1: in summer league that leads to some really ugly basketball
Speaker 1: that can make it difficult to learn about these kids. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, there's a desperation that you see across the
Speaker 1: board that kind of leads to different results on both
Speaker 1: ends of the floor. So that desperation is called I
Speaker 1: want to be an NBA player. I will do whatever
Speaker 1: it takes to be an NBA player. I'm going to
Speaker 1: leave my heart and soul, blood, sweat, and tears everything
Speaker 1: on this floor to be an NBA player. Right And
Speaker 1: while there are guys out there that have deals locked up,
Speaker 1: like Brownie James, like Dalton Kennet, guys that are first
Speaker 1: round picks, the majority of the players on the floor
Speaker 1: in these summer league environments are guys that may or
Speaker 1: may not be on an NBA roster next year and
Speaker 1: more than likely not right. And so that leads to
Speaker 1: a certain level of fighting for your NBA life that
Speaker 1: you see on the court. Now, how does that manifest
Speaker 1: on both ends of the floor. Well, on the defensive
Speaker 1: end of the floor, that manifests with crazy level of intensity,
Speaker 1: ball pressure flying around in rotation, guys sliding their feet
Speaker 1: like they've never slid their feet before, crashing the defensive
Speaker 1: glass like that manifests in a good way on the
Speaker 1: defensive end, but then on the offensive end and manifests
Speaker 1: in poor decision making. So if you're a player that
Speaker 1: thinks you can shoot at an NBA level and you
Speaker 1: get a half decent look at a jump shot, you
Speaker 1: better believe that thing's going up. If you're a guard
Speaker 1: and you want to demonstrate that you can run second,
Speaker 1: second side action at the NBA level, you're gonna be
Speaker 1: coming off that dribble handoff looking to shoot right. Like,
Speaker 1: there are players out there that are natural ball movers
Speaker 1: that don't know how to play basketball anyway other than
Speaker 1: the right way. But when you mix that with the
Speaker 1: other half of the guys on the floor kind of
Speaker 1: hunting their own shot for the sake of trying to
Speaker 1: demonstrate that they can play at the NBA level. It
Speaker 1: just breaks that up. It breaks up the flow of
Speaker 1: the game. Like again, like you'll see a guy make
Speaker 1: a nice driving kick that should flow into another driving kick,
Speaker 1: but he might just jack up a three, or you
Speaker 1: might driving kick and there might be a decent spot
Speaker 1: up look, but instead of taking it, he might call
Speaker 1: for a ball screen and run another action and jack
Speaker 1: up a shot, right, Like, there's just a lot of
Speaker 1: poor offensive decision making. So how do you beat elite, focused,
Speaker 1: energized defense with quality offense And you're just not getting
Speaker 1: that at the summer league level. And so that weird
Speaker 1: dynamic of desperate defensive effort with desperate yet poor offensive
Speaker 1: decision making just leads to a mess on the basketball court.
Speaker 1: So that's the kind of thing that I want us
Speaker 1: to keep in mind as we're watching. Like Bronnie James
Speaker 1: in particular is a good example of this. Bronnie James
Speaker 1: is not going to be a high volume on the
Speaker 1: ball creator, right, Like, what he's going to be is
Speaker 1: on the defensive end. He's going to be a primary
Speaker 1: point of attack defender with length and speed to play
Speaker 1: passing lanes when he's off the ball, and then on
Speaker 1: the offensive end of the floor. He's gonna be kind
Speaker 1: of like what Jalen Suggs does for Orlando. And I'm
Speaker 1: talking about what the idealized version of Brownie James is
Speaker 1: right now. He's not that. But he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: guy as a guard who sets screens on ball handlers
Speaker 1: and pops to the three point line and either shoots
Speaker 1: threes or drives closeouts. He's not going to be a
Speaker 1: guy that runs a ton of offense. He's going to
Speaker 1: operate within the flow with other good basketball players. He
Speaker 1: is a quintessential three and D player who is playing
Speaker 1: at the guard position as opposed to at the wing.
Speaker 1: This is not going to be a guy who's going
Speaker 1: to look good offensively in this type of environment. That said,
Speaker 1: I do have some concerns. The main one is his
Speaker 1: jump shot. And I noticed this when we went to
Speaker 1: the when we saw him at the Draft combine. Shot
Speaker 1: well at the Draft combine, but he was shooting a
Speaker 1: very slow, long load up, kind of a low, kind
Speaker 1: of drawn out release out in front of him type
Speaker 1: of jumper, and I was immediately concerned about whether or
Speaker 1: not when the speed of the game picked up that
Speaker 1: that would be able to translate. I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: it in the long run. I think it's gonna get
Speaker 1: cleaned up. I think Bronni's gonna learn sooner than later,
Speaker 1: Like I've got to be able to rise and fire
Speaker 1: quickly in these situations. There's got to be better energy
Speaker 1: transfer from the floor up through the top of my shot.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna work all of that out. But
Speaker 1: I think on the offensive end at the NBA level,
Speaker 1: he's gonna struggle initially getting that quick release and making
Speaker 1: quick decisions off the catch. That will take some time.
Speaker 1: And I thought you guys saw that in that first game,
Speaker 1: where like even when he would like get to his
Speaker 1: spots in the mid range, he'd kind of like just
Speaker 1: drag out his release a little bit, have a wide
Speaker 1: open catch and shoot three. But it's just kind of
Speaker 1: a long, drawn out release. That's a piece of what
Speaker 1: he does on the offensive end that's going to need
Speaker 1: to be polished up. Right. He ended up knocking down
Speaker 1: one jumper on a pullback dribble, and it was one
Speaker 1: of his quickest and smoothest releases in the game. Because
Speaker 1: he took it a little bit quicker, and I think
Speaker 1: that's something that we'll see him struggle with, I think
Speaker 1: a bit early on. But again, in terms of operating
Speaker 1: within an NBA offense, he will run some second side action,
Speaker 1: obviously by virtue of the Lakers running five out and
Speaker 1: him just getting the ball in those situations. But the
Speaker 1: way the floor is going to be configured, he's going
Speaker 1: to be a quick ball mover and he's going to
Speaker 1: be a guy that sets a lot of picks for
Speaker 1: bigger players in inverted ball screens and then popp into
Speaker 1: the three point line. You guys, know what, remember what
Speaker 1: Derek White did forever with Jason Tatum over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. Right, he's set the pick, they wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to switch it, so Derek White would just pop
Speaker 1: wide open at the three point line. Those are the
Speaker 1: kinds of opportunities that you're going to see Bronni get
Speaker 1: in the long run. So I'm not terribly worried about
Speaker 1: the offensive end for Bronnie in Summer League. On the
Speaker 1: defensive end, you saw a lot of good and a
Speaker 1: lot of bad. Right, he was beating people to spots.
Speaker 1: That first possession of the game, that beautiful job navigating
Speaker 1: the screen beaten the guy over the top to that
Speaker 1: left side of the screen ended up taking that contact
Speaker 1: in the chest. He just got knocked over on that play.
Speaker 1: For the most part, did a really good job containing
Speaker 1: the basketball, keeping the basketball in front of him. He
Speaker 1: got beat on a straight line drive along the left
Speaker 1: wing in the second quarter of that game, but it
Speaker 1: was a botched coverage. This is one of those things
Speaker 1: where if you're watching it and you don't realize what
Speaker 1: the coverage is supposed to be, then you'd think it's
Speaker 1: Bronnie's mistake. But Bronni was guarding the ball on the
Speaker 1: as the player was dribbling the ball at the left
Speaker 1: side of the floor up to the left wing. Bronni
Speaker 1: was guarding him squared up, but then he looked over
Speaker 1: at Colin Castleton and jumped way up on the high
Speaker 1: side on the left side of that ball handler. But
Speaker 1: Colin Castleton had not actually gotten back into his ice
Speaker 1: coverage yet, and so the Bronnie was doing his job,
Speaker 1: which was to funnel him towards the sideline. But since
Speaker 1: Colin Castleton was too slow to get into position, he
Speaker 1: got beat off the dribble and it ended up in
Speaker 1: a layup that's supposed to be one of those situations
Speaker 1: where it's a two man coverage, not a one man coverage.
Speaker 1: So I didn't think that blowby was necessarily his fault.
Speaker 1: He didn't get back door cut in the second quarter
Speaker 1: as well, but then you saw some of his length
Speaker 1: on display. He was able to recover and get a
Speaker 1: deflection in there to knock the ball free and recover
Speaker 1: in time. The guy ended up hitting like a one
Speaker 1: leg fadeaway jumper in his face anyway, but he got
Speaker 1: his length I thought was actually impressive for the most
Speaker 1: part in the game. One of the pull up jumpers
Speaker 1: he gave up in his first quarter shift damn near
Speaker 1: high five to the guy, even though he took some
Speaker 1: contact in the chest, just because he has super long arms.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, like when you talk about Bronnie size,
Speaker 1: he is undersize in terms of height, but he does
Speaker 1: have very long arms, which allows him to functionally play
Speaker 1: bigger on the wing than his height would lead you
Speaker 1: to believe. I thought his biggest weak point on the
Speaker 1: defensive end of the floor was just his strength. There
Speaker 1: were multiple points in that game where he did the
Speaker 1: like that first play I told you guys about where
Speaker 1: he navigated the screen, got over the screen, beat him
Speaker 1: to the spot, but when he took the contact in
Speaker 1: the chest, he fell over too easily. Now that one
Speaker 1: he might have been trying to draw a fout. But
Speaker 1: there were a couple other plays in that first shift
Speaker 1: where guys are getting downhill into his chest and he'd
Speaker 1: beat them to the spot, do his job, but when
Speaker 1: they would hit him in his sternam he would go
Speaker 1: way flying back and one of the times he was
Speaker 1: able to get a decent contest, but the guy still
Speaker 1: made the shot. There was another one where Brody got
Speaker 1: knocked like five feet out of position, ended up giving
Speaker 1: a wide open pull up jump shot. So strength, I
Speaker 1: think is going to be a big one for him
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, just to put on
Speaker 1: another about ten pounds or so of muscle. Because again,
Speaker 1: when it comes to cutting off players at the point
Speaker 1: of attack, there are two phases to it. You got
Speaker 1: to beat the player to the spot, but you also
Speaker 1: have to absorb the contact. Like, if you beat the
Speaker 1: player to the spot, he still has a head of steam,
Speaker 1: he's still going to run into you, and yeah, you
Speaker 1: can try to take charges, but those have a certain
Speaker 1: level of risk that come with them in terms of
Speaker 1: whether or not you're going to get the call. And
Speaker 1: it's just as a dangerous play in general. And if
Speaker 1: he's going to be a guy that's an excellent point
Speaker 1: of attack defender, he will have to be able to
Speaker 1: absorb contact in his chest. And so all of this
Speaker 1: kind of like falls into the same Bronny opinion that
Speaker 1: I've had since the beginning. Is he ready to play
Speaker 1: in the NBA yet? No, He's got to make some
Speaker 1: pretty substantial strides on the offensive end and some pretty
Speaker 1: substantial strides on the defensive end. But I think we're
Speaker 1: all being foolish if we don't pretend like there's not
Speaker 1: NBA tools there. When you watch Bronnie run the floor,
Speaker 1: he's clearly a top tier athlete. When you watch him
Speaker 1: slide his feet laterally, he clearly has the potential to
Speaker 1: be an excellent point of attack defender. You watch him
Speaker 1: jump a passing lane, you can see that his length
Speaker 1: and his speed on those cuts is going to be
Speaker 1: of value. The dude has good touch. You don't go
Speaker 1: into the shooting drills that he's done and knock down
Speaker 1: shots at the rates that he's knocked down shots unless
Speaker 1: you have the touch. He just has to convert his
Speaker 1: touch into a energy transfer form, a smooth release that
Speaker 1: he can get off quickly. At the NBA level, he
Speaker 1: just has to turn his natural ability his touch into
Speaker 1: a translatable NBA jump shot, which will take some time.
Speaker 1: And so all of this comes back to the exact
Speaker 1: same thing. He's got four years in a Laker Jersey
Speaker 1: contracted He's going to be able to take his lumps,
Speaker 1: take some time in the G League, learn how to
Speaker 1: play at this level. He's got a long way to go,
Speaker 1: but I do think NBA tools are there, and you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: Brownie's future is to play alongside high IQ players in
Speaker 1: a small offensive role. That's what he's going to be
Speaker 1: as an NBA player in the long run. That is
Speaker 1: an achievable goal for him, I think with his skill
Speaker 1: set and as far as that role goes, the same
Speaker 1: goes for Dalton. Connect Like in his first two Summer
Speaker 1: League games, a ton of on ball reps and he's
Speaker 1: capable of doing that at a higher level than he's
Speaker 1: demonstrated so far. He hasn't shot well in ball screens
Speaker 1: or in dribble handoffs so far in these two games,
Speaker 1: but he's just not going to be asked to do
Speaker 1: that very often with the Lakers, at least for the
Speaker 1: next two years or so, the two years that Lebron
Speaker 1: James is under contract, and Austin Reeves is on the roster,
Speaker 1: and Anthony Davis is on the right and either D'Angelo
Speaker 1: Russell or some other guard who can take usage or
Speaker 1: wing that can take usage in the D'angela Russell trade
Speaker 1: is on the roster. Dalton connect is going to be
Speaker 1: a Cogni five out system that moves the ball quickly
Speaker 1: and primarily operates with an advantage off the catch, not
Speaker 1: with a live dribble, And so I'm just not terribly
Speaker 1: concerned about that now. Four years from now, whether or
Speaker 1: not Dalton can be a seventeen million dollar player or
Speaker 1: a thirty five million dollar player is going to come
Speaker 1: down to what he can do on the ball. But
Speaker 1: it's just not something I'm concerned about in the short term.
Speaker 1: And I'm just more concerned about Dalton on the defensive
Speaker 1: end than anything else. I did not think he had
Speaker 1: a good start to Summer League on the defensive end,
Speaker 1: just getting out of position, committing fouls. Just still a
Speaker 1: little bit struggling to connect some of the defensive awareness
Speaker 1: with his athletic gets. And again, like Summer League, gives
Speaker 1: you some good info and some useless info, and it's
Speaker 1: tough to sort through, but you know, if we do
Speaker 1: the best we can.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Golden State Warriors for
Speaker 1: a little bit. So the Warriors add Buddily over the weekend,
Speaker 1: added Buddy Yield and Kylie Anderson. So for Buddy Heeld,
Speaker 1: the idea is obviously that he can fill a Clay
Speaker 1: Thompson esque role as a movement shooter off the bench right,
Speaker 1: And that makes some sense because Buddy Heeld is the
Speaker 1: poor man's version of Klay Thompson. Indiana used him a
Speaker 1: little differently. He set a lot of on ball screens
Speaker 1: for Tyrese Haliburton like ghost screens. That was one of
Speaker 1: the most common actions before the Pacers made all their trades.
Speaker 1: It was like Miles Turner pick and pop with Haliburton
Speaker 1: buddyheld ghost screens. Those are like the two primary actions
Speaker 1: that they ran the most. And so Buddy Hild got
Speaker 1: a lot of reps that registered as like a ball
Speaker 1: pick and roll roll man reps because technically he's setting
Speaker 1: the ball screen in rolling, but he's popping to the
Speaker 1: to the three point line. But that technically is like
Speaker 1: an off screen movement shooter type of role. And then
Speaker 1: he did do a lot of work and movement shooting
Speaker 1: situations coming off of off ball screens as well with
Speaker 1: the Pacers now and obviously very small sample size with
Speaker 1: the Sixers, but he did some work in that department
Speaker 1: as well. Now, to be clear, Klay Thompson is better
Speaker 1: than Buddy Healed in every way. Clay got one point
Speaker 1: one points per shot attempt on off screen plays. Buddy
Speaker 1: Heeld got zero point eight nine on much lower volume.
Speaker 1: Clay converted spot ups at one point zero eight points
Speaker 1: per play, Buddy was at one point zero one. Clay
Speaker 1: ran two hundred and eight ball screens and got over
Speaker 1: a point per possession. Buddy ran eighty nine of them
Speaker 1: and got zero point eight nine points per possession. Clay
Speaker 1: ran fifty eight ISOs and got sixty one points. That's
Speaker 1: one point zero five points per possession. Buddy ran eighteen
Speaker 1: and got ten. That's zero point five to six points
Speaker 1: per possession. Clay's bigger, He's got a better ability to
Speaker 1: get to his spots to be an on ball creator.
Speaker 1: Clay is a substantially better defensive player. The one thing
Speaker 1: I'd say that this at this point that Buddy does
Speaker 1: better is he's just a little bit more active on
Speaker 1: the glass because he's faster, So we can get to
Speaker 1: some of those like long rebound type of situations, and
Speaker 1: he rebounded at a higher rate last year than Klay Thompson.
Speaker 1: But Clay Thompson's a better player than Buddy Heal. That said,
Speaker 1: Buddy can reasonably fill that role at a heavily discounted price,
Speaker 1: and that's why this move makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: He is a very natural fit within the Warriors offense. Again,
Speaker 1: when we talk about the Warriors offense, it's five out
Speaker 1: with a combination of like screening passing folkrums and movement
Speaker 1: shooters right the screening passing fulkrams. These are all the
Speaker 1: guys over the years, like Draymond Green, like Kevon Looney,
Speaker 1: like Andrew Bogan. In the early years, Andre Gudala did
Speaker 1: a lot of this as well. You know, these are
Speaker 1: guys that like weren't necessarily dead eye three point shooters,
Speaker 1: but guys that could just be really smart basketball players
Speaker 1: that knew how to make the right reads as they're
Speaker 1: operating in space, that knew how to keep flowing into
Speaker 1: the next action to try to get their movement shooters
Speaker 1: opportunities and then accentuating those guys. Were these movement shooters
Speaker 1: and over the years that's been a bunch of different guys. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's been Stephan, Klay, it's been KD, it's been and Pool,
Speaker 1: it's been you know, some other on ball guys like
Speaker 1: Leandrew Barbosa and Sean Livingston. Right, But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like offensive threats coming off of
Speaker 1: screens and guys who can set screens and then capitalize
Speaker 1: on attention devoted to the guys coming off of those screens.
Speaker 1: Kyle Anderson fits magically into that type of role. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about him in just a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: but Kyle Anderson is just another guy that's a very
Speaker 1: good decision maker, screen and roll guy who operates out
Speaker 1: of the middle of the floor. And then you've got
Speaker 1: Buddy Healed as another movement shooter. And Buddy Heal, by
Speaker 1: the way, also just brings three point volume. He took
Speaker 1: seven three point attempts per game last year combined in
Speaker 1: the two destinations and shot thirty nine percent on them.
Speaker 1: So just kind of adds that influx of three point
Speaker 1: volume to try to replace some of what Klay Thompson
Speaker 1: brings to the table. Now, as I said, like these
Speaker 1: guys have their issues, But I like these additions because
Speaker 1: neither guys should be in their core five man lineup.
Speaker 1: When you look at these views, he moves through the
Speaker 1: lens of being like fringe, like outside of the starting lineup,
Speaker 1: guys who are like your seventh or eighth man. When
Speaker 1: you look at him through that context, they actually make
Speaker 1: a ton of sense. Like Buddy Heeld has his issues.
Speaker 1: He's not an efficient on ball creator. He's at his
Speaker 1: best when he's being set up with an advantage. Klay
Speaker 1: Thompson was a better on ball creator than Buddy Heeld, obviously,
Speaker 1: but he's undersized. He's a mediocre athlete, but he's perfectly
Speaker 1: fine as a rotational bench guard, and he is a
Speaker 1: very natural fit within the offense, which should allow you
Speaker 1: to maximize what you get out of Buddy Heeld. Kyle
Speaker 1: Anderson has his issues. Smart defenses dare Kyle Anderson to
Speaker 1: score the basketball, and he can struggle with that. He's
Speaker 1: a bad jump shooter. He's a mediocre mid range pull
Speaker 1: up jump shooter. He's okay, like just barely over forty
Speaker 1: percent and like hook the floater range, that like kind
Speaker 1: of short range area. He shoots just fifty two percent
Speaker 1: on layups, so like, yeah, he's got his issues, but
Speaker 1: he's an excellent defender with a lot of versatility. He
Speaker 1: was actually the best defender guarding Luca in the Western
Speaker 1: Conference finals last year. He's a really smart playmaker. He's
Speaker 1: actually one of the best assists to turnover guys in
Speaker 1: the league, four point two assists to just one point
Speaker 1: two turnovers last year. Really good decision maker in the
Speaker 1: middle of the floor. He's a quality rotation piece. These
Speaker 1: are guys that as long as you don't need to
Speaker 1: close games with them, they can really help you. And
Speaker 1: on nights when Buddy Heil has it going and maybe
Speaker 1: the Anthony Melton isn't playing as well, Buddy Heel is
Speaker 1: an option there, but you don't need to go that route.
Speaker 1: These are guys that you're not depending on for massive roles.
Speaker 1: You're depending on them in bench rolls, and within that context,
Speaker 1: I really like it. So the Warriors this summer already
Speaker 1: have bolstered their rotation with a quality starter in the
Speaker 1: Anthony Melton, in my opinion, provided that he's healthy, in
Speaker 1: two good rotation pieces. And I talked about this extensively,
Speaker 1: but I love the Anthony Melton's game. If he's healthy,
Speaker 1: he's your starting two guard. And so then you start
Speaker 1: to look at their best lineups and you go, Okay,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry top ten player in the league, de'an Anthony
Speaker 1: Melton bonafide really good, high level starter at the two guard,
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins bonafide, really high level starter at the three,
Speaker 1: and Draymond Green, who's one of the best defensive players
Speaker 1: in the league. That's a good core four to have
Speaker 1: in terms of your core lineups. Now, the question is
Speaker 1: who's that fifth guy. Now, in the short term, it's
Speaker 1: probably Kaminga, right, but Steve Kerr has been on the
Speaker 1: record that he doesn't love the idea of Kamina and
Speaker 1: Wiggins playing together. They are two inconsistent shooters. They don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of feel for the game from those
Speaker 1: two spots. And that's really that's the most important thing
Speaker 1: when we talk about Kaminga is like the fit is
Speaker 1: a little clunky in Golden State, because this is a
Speaker 1: five out offense where read and react and quick decision making.
Speaker 1: Quick quality decision making is vitally important, and that's one
Speaker 1: of Kaminga's biggest weaknesses right now. It's why I love
Speaker 1: the Kyle Anderson Fitz say what you want about him.
Speaker 1: He's an excellent decision maker who will operate well in
Speaker 1: five out as we look at as I talked about,
Speaker 1: through the Warrior's history, that type of player has been
Speaker 1: so very important. Right, So this is where the Lourie
Speaker 1: marketing rumors come in because Kaminga is that fifth guide.
Speaker 1: To me, is the odd man out. He's the one
Speaker 1: guy that like is going to cause that lineup to
Speaker 1: fail reaching the level on both ends of the floor
Speaker 1: that it needs to reach. Now, to be clear, before
Speaker 1: we go any further on LORII, the Warriors might just
Speaker 1: not have enough to get LORI marketed. Like if a
Speaker 1: team like the San Antonio Spurs decides that they really
Speaker 1: want to put their best offer together, they probably win
Speaker 1: that bidding war. So the question is should the Warriors
Speaker 1: consider including Jonathan Kaminga in a potential deal for Louri Marketing?
Speaker 1: And I think the answer is very clearly yes. And
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna make the case for that. Now. I
Speaker 1: have three reasons why. Three reasons why I think the
Speaker 1: Warriors should include Jonathan Kaminga in a deal for Lord
Speaker 1: if that's what it takes. Number One, Jonathan Kaminga has
Speaker 1: All Star upside, but he does not appear to have
Speaker 1: superstar upside. I'm a big believer in Jonathan Kaminga. He's
Speaker 1: like a truly transcendent athlete. Talks about this a lot
Speaker 1: last year, but nobody can keep him in front when
Speaker 1: he makes quick lateral moves out of the high post,
Speaker 1: when he's attacking with a triple threat, or even out
Speaker 1: of the post like that was why he was so
Speaker 1: successful in the post last year. That's why he drew
Speaker 1: so many fouls because he was getting defenders out of position.
Speaker 1: He's an intriguing defender with a lot of upside. I
Speaker 1: like him a little better on the ball than off
Speaker 1: the ball right now. I think he'll have multiple seasons
Speaker 1: as an NBA player where he averages over twenty points
Speaker 1: per game, and I think that he'll probably make an
Speaker 1: All Star team at some point. Jonathan Minga has clearly
Speaker 1: not shown to this point. Is that multifaceted dominance that
Speaker 1: you typically see from foundational superstars right around this point
Speaker 1: in their careers, you see flashes of it, and we
Speaker 1: did not see that with Kamina. In my opinion, Jonathan
Speaker 1: Kminga's absolute ceiling like the best player he could be
Speaker 1: would be what Jalen Brown has become, and that is
Speaker 1: a huge compliment. Jalen Brown just won a Finals MVP,
Speaker 1: But Jalen Brown is somewhere around the fifteenth best player
Speaker 1: in the NBA. That would be an absolute monstrous success story.
Speaker 1: For Jonathan Kaminga. I think it's more likely than not
Speaker 1: that he doesn't get to that level, but that is
Speaker 1: his upside. Jalen Brown is not the franchise cornerstone that
Speaker 1: the guys at the top of the league are. The
Speaker 1: guys like Shay Gilders, Alexander Giannis, Santana Kumbo, Joan el
Speaker 1: embiid Luka, Doncic, Nikola Jokic. Jonathan Kamina has no shot
Speaker 1: at cracking that tier, right And so with that being
Speaker 1: the case, like I don't view him as like a
Speaker 1: can't miss type of asset. Number two Lauri Markinin is
Speaker 1: also not that type of guy. He's also not a
Speaker 1: cornerstone type of talent, but he's much further along in
Speaker 1: his development than Kaminga and he's a much better natural
Speaker 1: basketball fit with the Warriors. Lorii Market is not going
Speaker 1: to be a top ten guy. He's not going to
Speaker 1: enter into conversations with Luka Doncic and Joel Embiid and
Speaker 1: those guys at the top of the league, but he's
Speaker 1: much further along. He averaged twenty five points in eight
Speaker 1: rebounds per game in his last two seasons with the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz, forty nine percent from the field, forty percent
Speaker 1: from three to eighty nine percent from the line, sixty
Speaker 1: four percent true shooting percentage twenty five and eight on
Speaker 1: sixty four percent true shooting. You would be thrilled if
Speaker 1: Jonathan Cominga became that. Lori markten is already that, And
Speaker 1: I know it's not a perfect player comp they're very
Speaker 1: different types of players, but in terms of value to
Speaker 1: a franchise, you aspire that Jonathan Kminga might be able
Speaker 1: to become as valuable around the league or as good
Speaker 1: as as Lori Markinin has been as an NBA player
Speaker 1: the last two seasons. That would be a quality outcome
Speaker 1: for Jonathan. And so you're just getting someone that fits
Speaker 1: more within the timeline. And then he's a beautiful fit
Speaker 1: within the Warriors offense. He's an excellent spot up guy.
Speaker 1: He converted spot up possessions at one point one zero
Speaker 1: points per possession last year. Good movement shooter. He's got
Speaker 1: forty five percent coming off screens last year. That's one
Speaker 1: point one to one points per shot. He's a great cutter,
Speaker 1: he's a great pick and pop big and ball screens
Speaker 1: with Steph Curry that would be deadly. He's a high
Speaker 1: level read and react player in five out. He is
Speaker 1: just a much more natural basketball fit with the Warriors
Speaker 1: than Jonathan Minga. And then the third reason why you'd
Speaker 1: have to include him. You have Steph Curry on your
Speaker 1: team and you're not planning on trading him. So stop
Speaker 1: focusing on what some of these young players can be
Speaker 1: and give Steph as much support as you can because
Speaker 1: you owe that to him, and Laurie allows you to
Speaker 1: do both. Laurie allows you to give real, genuine support
Speaker 1: to Steph Curry in the short term while also having
Speaker 1: an asset for the long term of the franchise. He's
Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. He's got a lot of great
Speaker 1: basketball left in him. If to be clear, if I
Speaker 1: actually thought that Jonathan Kaminga could become a foundational franchise
Speaker 1: cornerstone type of prospect, then I wouldn't even consider having
Speaker 1: this conversation. But he's not like if he's not like
Speaker 1: a perennial MVP vote getter, then then it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: And again I understand from a different perspective, if you
Speaker 1: don't have Steph Curry on the roster, you don't trade.
Speaker 1: Like for instance, if you're the Utah Jazz and you're
Speaker 1: looking for your franchise cornerstone and you have Kaminga and
Speaker 1: you want Lori Markin in, that doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: because Louri Markein is not that guy either. You're better
Speaker 1: off betting on Kaminga's upside and maintaining whatever other assets
Speaker 1: that you have. The Warriors have Steph Curry, the Warriors
Speaker 1: have Draymond Green. The Warriors have a certain obligation to
Speaker 1: try to make this work, and that, to me is
Speaker 1: is where you have to consider this type of deal.
Speaker 1: Here's my last note on it before we move on.
Speaker 1: Lourie gives you a clear five to start and end
Speaker 1: games with Steph, d Anthony Melton, Andrew Wiggins, Raymond Green,
Speaker 1: and Jonathan gaminga clunky, not enough shooting, not enough high
Speaker 1: IQ players on the wing, Steph the Anthony Melton, Andrew Wiggins,
Speaker 1: Lorie Marketing, and Draymond Green. Plenty of shooting, plenty of
Speaker 1: guys that know how to play, read and react five
Speaker 1: out basketball and the perimeter. That five has the upside
Speaker 1: of a championship team. I wouldn't put him at the
Speaker 1: top of that tier, but like I'd put him up
Speaker 1: in the rest of the Western Conference at least I'd
Speaker 1: put him up there with you know, every team that's
Speaker 1: below that Denver, O KC Boston tier. They're just as
Speaker 1: good as all those teams if they get Lori Markin
Speaker 1: in and then anything could happen. Who knows, Maybe Steph
Speaker 1: does get back to MVP level next year and you
Speaker 1: become a championship contender. Maybe you do have the ability
Speaker 1: to make a smaller move on the margins at the
Speaker 1: deadline to push yourself up another level. But Lori Markinen
Speaker 1: is the only guy that can put you into that conversation.
Speaker 1: If you keep Jonathan Kaminga and you go with Steph,
Speaker 1: the Anthony Melton, Anderwiggins Cominga and Draymond, you're a playing team. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. It's possible that Lori Markin
Speaker 1: is just outside of Golden State's price range. But if
Speaker 1: you have to include Kaminga to make a deal like
Speaker 1: that happen. You include it, no question. I'm just personally
Speaker 1: as a basketball fan, I'd love to see all Right,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, let's talk to Marta
Speaker 1: Roze into Sacramento. So the full deal, The Kings get
Speaker 1: Demarta rozen for three years seventy four million, the Spurs
Speaker 1: get Harrison Barnes an unprotected twenty thirty one pick swap
Speaker 1: from the Kings, and the Bulls get Christwarte and two
Speaker 1: second round picks in cash from the Sacramento King. So
Speaker 1: I want to look at this from a couple of
Speaker 1: different perspectives. I want to start by looking at it
Speaker 1: just in terms of the fit. I love the backcourt
Speaker 1: fit for DeRozan and deeron Fox. I'm actually much higher
Speaker 1: on it that most of the people I've seen talking
Speaker 1: about the trade since it happened. I think he's a
Speaker 1: natural fit in the King's offense. The Bulls ran a
Speaker 1: lot of similar five out concepts that Sacramento runs like.
Speaker 1: They run a lot of like Chicago action where Demarta
Speaker 1: Rozon'll be coming off of a pin down in the
Speaker 1: corner into a dribble handoff. They run a lot of
Speaker 1: like other screens that flow into dribble handoffs. They run
Speaker 1: a lot of three man action where they'll like ram
Speaker 1: screen for Caruso to come up and set a ball
Speaker 1: screen and just try to confuse switching. They'll ram screen
Speaker 1: for Vucevich to come up and set screens like. They
Speaker 1: run a lot out of modern five out concepts, and
Speaker 1: he and DeRozan is just gonna naturally be a shoe
Speaker 1: in fit in that King's approach. Now, Sabonas can't shoot
Speaker 1: the way that Nikola Vusovich can shoot, but he's still
Speaker 1: a really natural fit with Derozen as a screening partner.
Speaker 1: DeRozan was one of the best half court shot creators
Speaker 1: in the league last year. One point zero five points
Speaker 1: per possession and pick and roll including passes on over
Speaker 1: twelve hundred reps one point one to five points per
Speaker 1: ISO including passes that was number one out of the
Speaker 1: eleven players in the league to run at least four
Speaker 1: hundred PERCENTERGY one point one to one points per posted
Speaker 1: up including passes that ranked third out of twenty two
Speaker 1: players to run at least two hundred and fifty, so
Speaker 1: he was unquestionably in terms of efficiency, one of the
Speaker 1: best half court shot creators in the league last year.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing in terms of the off ball fit.
Speaker 1: He's still not a great three point shooter, but he
Speaker 1: did have the best three point shooting year of his
Speaker 1: career last year. It was the first time in his
Speaker 1: career he attempted at least two threes per game and
Speaker 1: made at least a third of them. He shot forty
Speaker 1: three percent on unguarded catch and shoot jumpers, one point
Speaker 1: one six points per shot. That was the highest mark
Speaker 1: of his career to this point. If he's wide open,
Speaker 1: he'll knock it down. And so like, I actually think
Speaker 1: that the offensive end is a really natural fit, and
Speaker 1: I think that that's gonna look pretty almost immediately. And
Speaker 1: I think the Kings as a as an offensive team
Speaker 1: in the regular season got a lot better as a
Speaker 1: part of that deal. Now, the defensive end is where
Speaker 1: people are going to be concerned, right. Rozen is a
Speaker 1: guy that like leaves a lot to be desired on
Speaker 1: that end of the floor. You preferably have to tuck
Speaker 1: him on a low usage player off ball, right, But
Speaker 1: I have long thought of deer and Fox as the
Speaker 1: type of guy who has the capability to make an
Speaker 1: all defense team, and that he like if he has
Speaker 1: the energy to really commit to that end of the floor,
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he can be a dominant defender.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. If DeRozan can absorb usage to
Speaker 1: lighten Deer and Fox's workload so that Yaron Fox can
Speaker 1: take more of a two way approach and devote a
Speaker 1: lot of resources to guarding the other team's best guard,
Speaker 1: I think this could work really well. The defensive end
Speaker 1: is only going to be an issue if Dearon Fox
Speaker 1: wants to try to conserve energy on that end of
Speaker 1: the floor. But as long as long as that partnership
Speaker 1: works out to free energy up for Fox to commit
Speaker 1: to the defensive end, I think that could fit really well.
Speaker 1: Where I get concerned about this deal is the loss
Speaker 1: of Harrison Barnes. Harrison Barnes is not a star. He's
Speaker 1: like twelve points per game, although he's always been really
Speaker 1: efficient with the Kings. He's consistently been over sixty percent
Speaker 1: TRU shooting. But he's not a volume score, not a
Speaker 1: lockdown defensive player. But he is a rock solid forward
Speaker 1: in the NBA. I'm actually really excited about his fit
Speaker 1: with Victor wmen Yam and the Spurs. They suddenly look
Speaker 1: like a very competent NBA roster going into next season
Speaker 1: with the inclusion of Harrison Barnes, with the inclusion of
Speaker 1: Chris Paul, Like that, that's going to be a really
Speaker 1: fun team to watch next year. And to put it simply,
Speaker 1: if Victor women yam that plays at a top five level,
Speaker 1: that could be a playoff team that we're looking at there.
Speaker 1: But the Kings are suddenly very thin at forward, and like,
Speaker 1: I like Keegan Murray a lot, but I look at
Speaker 1: him more as a three. Is Trey Lyle's gonna take
Speaker 1: that role? Is there another trade in the work somewhere,
Speaker 1: Because I mean, this was a frontline that already left
Speaker 1: a lot to be desired on the defensive end of
Speaker 1: the floor, and you let go of Harrison Barnes. So
Speaker 1: like again, this move to me felt a little bit
Speaker 1: like robbing Peter to pay Paul, so to speak. But
Speaker 1: I like the backcourt fit naturally, And so my kind
Speaker 1: of view on this at this point is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hold off judgment on the Kings and the Durozean move
Speaker 1: until we see the rest of the offseason, because if
Speaker 1: they can make a move to anchor that forward spot.
Speaker 1: I'll feel a lot better about the fit. I just
Speaker 1: need to see what they do the rest of the summer.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, that is all we have for today.
Speaker 1: Is always, I sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting the show.
Speaker 1: We got another show coming tomorrow where we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: some Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese Rookie of the Year stuff.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some Team USA, and then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be taking a day off for traveling to Vegas for
Speaker 1: Summer League. We're gonna have a reaction to the Team
Speaker 1: USA Canada scrimmage on Thursday morning, and then on Saturday morning,
Speaker 1: we'll have a breakdown of Brownie James's debut, in Donald
Speaker 1: Connect's debut, Alex Sar, all those guys that play on
Speaker 1: opening night in UH in Vegas. I'll have a reaction
Speaker 1: to that on Saturday morning, and then uh we'll go
Speaker 1: into Monday to break down the rest of Summer League.
Speaker 1: That gives you a little scheduling update for the rest
Speaker 1: of this week. As always, I appreciate you guys, and
Speaker 1: I will see you tomorrow.
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