1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 2: Sasha Graham with us, author Tarot Expert, award winning tarot 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: deck creator who teaches and lectures around the world. Her 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: world has been translated into more than twelve languages, and 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: she's the author of thirteen books and tarot decks. Her 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: latest work is called The Magic of Tarot. Sasha, welcome back. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: You're on with our Lisa gar Almost four years. 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: Ago I was and it's so nice to be back 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 3: with you. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 2: How are you. 12 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 4: I'm good, George, How. 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Are you great? Why does it seem that's my impression 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 2: that everybody seems to be talking about tarot cards these days? 15 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: It's white sad. 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 3: Taro has really come into vogue, and I think that 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 3: we can pretty much blame the pandemic for that. What happened, well, 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: you know, people were sequestered in their homes, and I 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,279 Speaker 3: think a lot of peace people that normally had nine 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: to five jobs had an opportunity and free time on 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 3: their hands to explore alternative spiritualities that they had always 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: been interested in and perhaps didn't have time, and suddenly 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: the pandemic gave them the opportunity add in social media 24 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 3: and things like TikTok, and suddenly witchcraft tarot all became 25 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: sort of mainstream. 26 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: How many cards in the tarot deck? Sasha? 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 3: There's seventy eight cards in a traditional tarot deck. 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: And how old is taro? 29 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 3: So we don't know when or where tarot originated. The 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 3: oldest tarot deck that we have on hand comes from 31 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: fourteenth century Italy. Back in the day, those were commissioned 32 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: by wealthy Italian and European families. The same way you 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 3: might commission a painting, you could commission a tarot deck 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 3: and have yourself painted into the cards. But nobody knows 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 3: where it originated. That is lost to the mystery of time. 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 2: What was the original intention of tarot cards. 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: Sasha, Well, again, this is something that's up for question 38 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: because it depends on who's writing the history books. 39 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 4: So the original use. 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: We know that taro was used in northern Europe for 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,399 Speaker 3: card playing, so the fancy cards would be used by 42 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: the royal families, but also there was flimsy printed cards 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: that were used as tavern games just by the general public. 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 3: So taro was definitely used for card playing. And we 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: can only assume because people have always used divination with 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 3: all sorts of things, from reading the clouds to casting 47 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: bones to astrology that, of course, because taro is a 48 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: visual object, people were probably using them for divination from 49 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: the beginning of time. 50 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: Was there any evil attached to it? 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: Well, of course there's always evil attached to something taro 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: if you're using it for divination, right, which is essentially 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,519 Speaker 3: looking into your own future, sort of gathering. 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 4: Your own power. 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 3: Any institution, such as organized religion, that wants to claim 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: that they are the mouthpiece for a higher power might 57 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: say that something like taro is evil, and then you know, George, 58 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: it also depends on who's wielding the cards, do you know. 59 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: It's sort of like a sword, which is one of 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: the suits of tarot. A sword could be used for protection, 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: for decoration, for collection, or it could be used for 62 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: diabolical murder. So it depends on who's wielding the cards. 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: I would say. 64 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: That's very important, isn't it. 65 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 4: Yeah? 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: And it's important when you yourself are looking to have 67 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: a tarot read, and not just a tarot reading, a 68 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: psychic reading, any sort of intuitive reading. It's really important 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 3: to know who you're sitting down with because the power 70 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 3: of suggestion is strong, So you're gonna want to interview 71 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: or really get to know or get good references about 72 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 3: anyone you get a psychic or tarot reading from. 73 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: Do you know the tarot reader Art Russian Garden? Yes? 74 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 2: I do, good guy. So he's on our show quite 75 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: a bit. 76 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: Oh he's wonderful. 77 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: Yuh not me tarot years ago, not that I read it, 78 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: but uh, it's fast. 79 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: Did you take tarot classes, George? 80 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: I did not. I did not. I should usually, you. 81 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: Know, I think I think anybody everybody, I think everybody 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: should if if if, I mean I think that Tarot 83 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: is honestly best used as a personal practice because you 84 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 3: can use the cards for self inquiry, but you know, 85 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: you can also use them to enhance your psychic ability, 86 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: intuitive ability, creative ability, so you know they're good for 87 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: so many, so many things. 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: Do you have a favorite card. 89 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 2: I don't have a favorite card. I was going to 90 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: mention the death card, not as a favorite, but one 91 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: that I don't want to pull. 92 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: Well, the death card is actually pretty fantastic, and I'm 93 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: a Scorpio, so of course I'm going to say that, 94 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 3: and we're moving into the season of death with Halloween 95 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 3: kind of right around the corner. 96 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you take. 97 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 3: The taro literally, which it should not be taken literally. Yeah, 98 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 3: the death card is something that you don't. 99 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 4: Want to see. 100 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: But it's important to remember. The death card is number thirteen, 101 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: comes smack dab in the middle of the major arcana. 102 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: So death is not the ending that most people would 103 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: think that it is. It's actually a card of transformation 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: and almost in a sense, it's the oltist's resurrection or 105 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: they rise to greet up what comes in the following card. 106 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: So death is a real fantastic turning point, sort of 107 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: the lynch pin of what makes life possible. So it's 108 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: actually an exciting card to get in a reading. 109 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: You could also mean the end of an era, right. 110 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it means getting rid of really what no 111 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 3: longer suits you anymore? 112 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Is it take a long time to teach somebody how 113 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: to read Tarot cards? 114 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 4: That's a great question. 115 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: It depends on the person or the student that you have. 116 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 3: In other words, something that unfortunately is predominant with tarot 117 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: students in beginning tarot students is that a Tarot deck 118 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: can be quite overwhelming, and of course it's loaded in 119 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: esoteric history. So students or the general public will often 120 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: come to a tarot class and be terrified of getting 121 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: their interpretation of the cards wrong, and fear is the 122 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: quickest thing that to shut anything down. So if you 123 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: have a student, or if you bring yourself to the 124 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: taro with a curiosity and a willingness to just go ahead, 125 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: look at the image that you're that's in front of 126 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 3: you in the card, and tell the story that you see, 127 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: allow the messages to come through through taro symbolism. It's 128 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: really easy to read tarot cards. So yeah, so as 129 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: long as you're not afraid of getting it wrong, they're wonderfully, 130 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: fantastically easy to read. 131 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: Well, Sasha, if you had ten tarro readers, would you 132 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: come up with ten different things if they were spotting 133 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 2: the same card. 134 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 4: That's a great question. Yes and no. Uh So. 135 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: The interesting thing about tarot readers, and again this harkens 136 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: back to my earlier point about knowing who you're sitting 137 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: down with, you're going to get more of that reader's 138 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: personality than anything else. If ten different readers are reading, 139 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 3: say the deaf card comes up for you, it will 140 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 3: be grounded in the same that they will be talking about. Yes, 141 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: something's ending, there's a transformation, but the way they deliver 142 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: the message is going to be different, but the core 143 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 3: narrative of the reading will probably be the same. 144 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 2: What will a tarot card or cards tell you? 145 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 3: Hm, Well, that Taro tells you. The information of what 146 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: Taro brings forth is entirely based on the question that 147 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: you ask, so they can tell you anything you want 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: to know. And the important thing I always say is 149 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 3: to ask really good questions. Of course, that's why a 150 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: tarot practice, pulling a card a day is a really 151 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 3: phenomenal practice where you can kind of clear your mind 152 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 3: and say, oh, like what do I want to pay 153 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: attention to today to have like the best day ever? 154 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 3: It's a great question to ask, you know. Great Tarot 155 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: questions are grounded in personal power, not asking oh when 156 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 3: am I going to fall in love? But what should 157 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 3: I pay attention to to come into alignment with like 158 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: my highest romantic potential. Questions that kind of put the 159 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: power in your hands, will give you really really positive 160 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: answers that you can take action on, and then you 161 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: really take destiny into your own hands. 162 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: Do you pull the card then ask the question, or 163 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 2: do you ask the question then pull the card? 164 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 4: You can you can do either. 165 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: Traditionally the question is asked before the cards are laid 166 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: out on the table. And again if you're using tarot 167 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: for yourself, it's a really kind of meditative and wonderful 168 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 3: thing to ask the question and allow the shuffling, Think 169 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 3: about the question, think about your outcome, allow the shuffling 170 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: of the cards to kind of put you into that 171 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: intuitive state so that you can receive the best possible answer. 172 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: When we take readings next hour. You want a question 173 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: from an individual nothing to do with medical, right, No, 174 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 2: I'm not. 175 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: A doctor, so I would never give medical advice based 176 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 3: on the tarot. 177 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: How many cards will you pull per person? 178 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: I'll do one card readings now? 179 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: Is that the norm when you do a reading. 180 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 4: Well, it depends. 181 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: If you're sitting down with someone for a good thirty 182 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: minutes or an hour, you would definitely pull and most 183 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: readers would would pull probably a sizable amount of cards. 184 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:08,119 Speaker 3: It's really fun to do keen card Celtic cross readings 185 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: because it's really kind of like it's kind of like 186 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: looking at a scam of the person who's sitting in 187 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 3: front of you. But for time's sake and so that 188 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 3: we can read for as many people as possible, I'll 189 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: just do a one card reading. 190 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: Is it more accurate when the individual pulls their own card? 191 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 4: Not necessarily? I you know the and the accuracy. 192 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: You know it can be as is accurate if the 193 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: reader's pulling the card or if the person is pulling 194 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: the card, and like you asked earlier, oftentimes you can 195 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: and this is where magic comes into play. 196 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: With taro. 197 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: You can actually pull out the cards that you want 198 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: to be working with or that you want to invoke 199 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: into your life. So, for instance, if you're looking for 200 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: love of you might want to pull out the lover's 201 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 3: card from a tarot deck and keep that in sight 202 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: all day long, to keep reminding your subconscious to manifest that. Right. 203 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's either anybody can pull the card and 204 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: get an interesting, accurate reading, but they can also be 205 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 3: used in reverse. You can pull specific cards to enhance 206 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 3: that card's energy in your life. 207 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: Did you ever pull a card Sasha for somebody and 208 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: you didn't want to tell them what it meant? 209 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: Yes? 210 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 5: Really coorse of course and ought to be honest with you, 211 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 5: George straight up and this is speaking to someone I was. 212 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 3: You know, I worked as a professional tarot card reader 213 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 3: in New York City for about a decade and I 214 00:12:53,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 3: read for everyone from you know, celebrities on down. Usually 215 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: it's not the card that's scary usually or that gives 216 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: you pause, but oftentimes it's the person sitting down across 217 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 3: from you. 218 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 4: It's an interesting thing. 219 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: After a while you get to know you kind of 220 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: know what the cards are probably going to say, just 221 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 3: by the energy that that person is giving off. 222 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: How long are your Tarot card classes? 223 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: Oh? 224 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: Well, I do everything from one hour zooms for the 225 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 3: organization such as the Theosophical Society. 226 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,479 Speaker 4: Too entire week long retreats. 227 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: So twice a year I do a Tarot and yoga 228 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: retreat at Cropollo Center for Yoga and Health, which is 229 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: in Lenox, Massachusetts. In the winter, I do a three 230 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: day yoga and Tarot retreat, and then in the summer, 231 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 3: usually in July, we do a seven day yoga and 232 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: Tarot retreat. Yeah, so you pretty much can get me 233 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 3: for an hour, you can get me for a week long, 234 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: and whatever you prefer. I'll be doing a Halloween weekend 235 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 3: retreat at Tibet House's US retreat center up in the Catskills, 236 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:14,959 Speaker 3: Not that you. 237 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 2: Would, but can tarot be used for nefarious purposes? 238 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: Too? 239 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: Of course it can be Well, anything can be right, 240 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: you could use your car to get you to work, 241 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: or you could use it to run someone over. But yeah, 242 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: tarot can be used for terrible things. 243 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: How would one do that? Not that I wouldn't learn that, 244 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: but how would one do that? 245 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 5: Well? 246 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: But this is a great question, George, because it comes 247 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: down to the ethics that a terror reader has, which 248 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 3: is an important thing to consider, even if you're just 249 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 3: reading cards for yourself, and what that means. Terrible nefarious 250 00:14:54,800 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 3: reasons could be something as simple as as trying to 251 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 3: figure out what's going on inside of somebody else's head 252 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: first of all, So when we're talking about taro ethics, 253 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: it's important to think about, you know, how you would feel. 254 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: Would you want someone pulling cards like George? Got what's 255 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: George thinking about me right now? 256 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 5: Like? 257 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 3: Would you want somebody being intrusive like that? 258 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: That breaks a boundary. 259 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: So you can rephrase the questions of your cards saying, 260 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 3: not what is George thinking of me right now? But 261 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 3: perhaps what's the best way for me to approach George, 262 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: so that X Y Z. But if you want to 263 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: move to even darker things, like think about any horrible 264 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: question you could ask, you know, how could I murder 265 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: this person? How can I stop what they're doing? How 266 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 3: can I wield control? 267 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 4: And we all know. 268 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: That Tarot can also be you because tarrow is can 269 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: often feel like a hidden practice. They're gurus and teachers 270 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: who uh you know, use knowledge of Taro to become 271 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 3: experts and kind of like rule over sycophan students. They're 272 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 3: all kinds of dark things that you could do with 273 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: the cards. 274 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: Can Tarot cards predict things? 275 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 276 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 4: I mean I think that they. 277 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: I think that's primarily what they're known for and what 278 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: like the average person might think that they're used for prediction, 279 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: and of course they can be. But when you're but 280 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: again it goes back to who is using the cards. 281 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: So if you're someone who has natural psychic ability, who 282 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: already can predict things that will happen in the future 283 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: and have and and have that experience, then Taro can 284 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 3: build upon that muscle. But it's again it is it's 285 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 3: a person by person thing, and I think that prediction 286 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 3: is not necessarily a helpful thing when using Taro. So, 287 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 3: for instance, if someone you know said, okay, Taro, will 288 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: I ever like get pregnant and have a child, and 289 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: that tarot says no, what would that person go dool? 290 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 4: They stop trying? You know, am I ever going to 291 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: fall in love? 292 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: Or what? 293 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 4: Am I going to fall in love? 294 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 3: And Taro says, the card says that it's never going 295 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: to happen? Would you stop looking for love? So? I 296 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: don't think that predictions are necessarily helpful. I think it's 297 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: much better to use them to read the energy of 298 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: any particular situation, so then you know how to maneuver. 299 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: Give yourself some legal room. 300 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: Sasha, what got you involved in tarot cards in the 301 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: first place. 302 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 3: George, I'm a Halloween baby. So I always thought that 303 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 3: I was a witch or a ghoul from a very 304 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: young age. 305 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: I you were born on Halloween. 306 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 4: Yeah, October thirty, first h. 307 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: Her treat Hacker treat baby. So I just I just 308 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: felt magical. And you know, I got my first tarot 309 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 3: deck when I was twelve years old to read cards 310 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: at a fundraiser at my elementary school. 311 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just swarm around you. 312 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 3: No, because I opened the deck, I didn't know what 313 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: I was looking at and then my stepsister's born again 314 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 3: Christian friend walked into the kitchen saw my tarot cards 315 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 3: and she freaked out, told me they were the devil's work, 316 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 3: and she promptly burned them. 317 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at 318 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot 319 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: com for more