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Speaker 1: Cowboys football. As we turn the page and we start
Speaker 1: looking ahead towards the Detroit Lions this coming Sunday in Detroit.
Speaker 1: But we're also going to look back more at Sunday
Speaker 1: night against the Minnesota Vikings. Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola
Speaker 1: and Rob Phillips. Brian out today again and well, yes
Speaker 1: it's it's a chili outside, but it's not near as
Speaker 1: bad as what it was yesterday, even though the temperature
Speaker 1: is probably lowered today than yesterday. It's that wind chill
Speaker 1: factor that was it was horrible yesterday. And it's as
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Speaker 1: ice boxy. Yeah, let's warm it up, all right. We
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Speaker 1: phone lines on this Tuesday. You can give us a
Speaker 1: call at eight eight eight eight five five two two
Speaker 1: nine seven. Get things off your chest as well. Watching
Speaker 1: Monday Night football last night, I did great game. That's
Speaker 1: two straight nights. We've had great games, yes, Sunday Night
Speaker 1: and then Monday Night. So you said you saw the
Speaker 1: rate the TV ratings for the Sunday night games, yep,
Speaker 1: and they were through the roof as expected or the
Speaker 1: year or anything like that. It was the most watched
Speaker 1: in DFW for a Cowboys game. I'm going to say
Speaker 1: that off the top of my head, and I'm not
Speaker 1: tracked this, but when you get numbers in the mid
Speaker 1: thirties around I think it peaked at like a thirty
Speaker 1: five rating. Wow, that is that's up there, and so
Speaker 1: a lot of interest and it was an entertaining game.
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans didn't like the results of that entertaining game,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people tuned in. Are we
Speaker 1: losing the fact that they played a good game and
Speaker 1: lost to a good team. Are we losing a little
Speaker 1: bit of that yeah? Or are we focused on the
Speaker 1: fact too, maybe not too much, that they've played good
Speaker 1: teams and haven't had any really any success against really
Speaker 1: good teams this year. I mean, Jerry was very positive
Speaker 1: and optimistic on his fan hit this morning, and you know,
Speaker 1: Sean said it on the fan afterwards. I'm kind of
Speaker 1: expecting a little bit matter Jerry after losing that game,
Speaker 1: and obviously the questions about the play calling at the end.
Speaker 1: But that was a back and fourth game, and I
Speaker 1: think Jerry Jason brought it up. Nine possessions each. Both
Speaker 1: teams had opportunities, and it came down to a couple
Speaker 1: of plays. I know, when you lose, it's all right,
Speaker 1: whose fault it is and all that. It's a good game,
Speaker 1: good game between two good teams. They's two teams that
Speaker 1: scored on five of their first eight possessions of that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and one team got a touchdown, one more touchdown than
Speaker 1: the other team did, and then the other team got
Speaker 1: a field goal instead of that touchdown. Now there's the
Speaker 1: difference in the game. He surprised that Jerry was a
Speaker 1: little more optimistic than he expected. I told the guys
Speaker 1: when I went on after him that it was like
Speaker 1: a sword fight this morning. They would throw a sword
Speaker 1: up here and Jerry would block it. They come up
Speaker 1: with a sword over here, and Jerry came with a
Speaker 1: backhand with his sword. So give us some highlights. Well,
Speaker 1: I just think they thought he was going to be mad.
Speaker 1: And that's what they were about everything, right and again.
Speaker 1: And I've told these guys this, don't preface your question
Speaker 1: with the fans want to know, or people want to know.
Speaker 1: What's what you want to know? So just ask the question.
Speaker 1: He doesn't mind it. He he actually embellishes when you
Speaker 1: ask him, or not embellishes, but likes a tough question
Speaker 1: because he will have you an answer and he'll diffuse
Speaker 1: it if he disagrees with you. It's like he said,
Speaker 1: he goes, yeah, let's go. He goes, you don't you
Speaker 1: want to bring pisson vinegar, let's go. We'll do it.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta love it, you know. And and
Speaker 1: he had a good answer for everything. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: he was being Pollyanna or anything. He he just had
Speaker 1: good answers to all the questions about you know, okay,
Speaker 1: you call a play, and and uh, and if it
Speaker 1: doesn't work, so why didn't it work? Did it not work?
Speaker 1: Because it was the wrong play or did something happen
Speaker 1: within the execution of the play that caused it to happen?
Speaker 1: And I think you know, we both looked at the
Speaker 1: third and two play, Yeah, because Mickey fans want to
Speaker 1: know what happened on the third and twa. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you know, And I'm not sure you know they
Speaker 1: called it an RPO. I don't think it was an RP. Oh.
Speaker 1: I think it was a read option. I think it
Speaker 1: was too because he would he if he had thrown
Speaker 1: a pass. Connor Williams was five yards downfield because so
Speaker 1: they were blocking for a run and his only other
Speaker 1: option was to not hand off and go the other way,
Speaker 1: as you don'tice when you tweeted me or text me
Speaker 1: last night. But I still think ninety nine would have
Speaker 1: stuffed him. Did Neil Hunter? Yeah? And actually on both
Speaker 1: a second and two and third and two they were
Speaker 1: very similar right where zone reads where that I think
Speaker 1: had the option not hanned out off his eek and
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to remember in my own mind,
Speaker 1: which did Collins had Hunter on the third and two?
Speaker 1: Did Hunt? Hunter went left? Hunter was on Dak's right
Speaker 1: right left, and he penetrated He got he got in Connetrationum,
Speaker 1: but it looked like Collins. Collins had him sealed. It
Speaker 1: looked like to me he would have had to cut inside, right.
Speaker 1: He looked like, yeah, no, there was a guy. I
Speaker 1: thought there was a gap between Hunter and whoever the
Speaker 1: inside got the tackle was No, there was, But then
Speaker 1: there was an Anthony Barr was standing about a yard
Speaker 1: and a half beyond the first down where the first
Speaker 1: down line would be, and so it was going to
Speaker 1: be a one on one can get to that line
Speaker 1: and beat Anthony Barr there, and so there was It
Speaker 1: was not a given that he was going to get
Speaker 1: the first down, and in fact, I think on both
Speaker 1: of those plays it was not a given. But especially Okay,
Speaker 1: so now you're looking at Okay, let's say he didn't
Speaker 1: get to the first first down line. He was going
Speaker 1: to get within a yard of the first down line,
Speaker 1: which changes the complexion of fourth down, and got a
Speaker 1: fourth and five. Yeah, you got fourth in less than
Speaker 1: a yard, right. So But but here's the other thing.
Speaker 1: And I know there's a lot of criticism about Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett as far as hell he's handling those questions about that,
Speaker 1: and I think I don't know if he alluded to
Speaker 1: an RPO on it or if he may have said RPO.
Speaker 1: I don't think he said RPO. Zeke was the one
Speaker 1: that said, Okay, yeah, that's right. It was Zeke who
Speaker 1: said it's an RPO. All right. Here's my thinking on that.
Speaker 1: In any press conference setting, do fans really want their
Speaker 1: head coach to tell the world what they had designed
Speaker 1: on a play? Okay, the GiB was to Zeke, we
Speaker 1: can look at the tape and kind of surmise that
Speaker 1: it kind of looks like his own read there. But
Speaker 1: do you want your head coach to be transparent and
Speaker 1: tell other teams in the league all the options that
Speaker 1: you had on that play, what we're thinking when we
Speaker 1: get down in that situation next time. So Garrett gets
Speaker 1: criticized for his press conferences and being robotic in everything,
Speaker 1: Why would you want your head coach to tell other
Speaker 1: teams in the league what you're doing? Because they want
Speaker 1: to know exactly, and the media wants to know. It's
Speaker 1: our job in the media to ask the questions. It's
Speaker 1: the coach's job not to answer the questions, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: and there's other ways to find out, right, there's other
Speaker 1: ways to find out. It's just like the punt you
Speaker 1: know with Tavon Austin. Oh, you go back and look
Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, we froze it twelve times yesterday after launch.
Speaker 1: I made him come over and look at a lot
Speaker 1: of green grass, a lot of green grass in front
Speaker 1: of Tavon and and and Jason said there was not
Speaker 1: good communication to him on what they would have liked
Speaker 1: him to do. Now, mickey's your your impression from watching
Speaker 1: him afterwards or just through the play that he felt
Speaker 1: like he was fair catching it regardless. Yeah, because because
Speaker 1: when he got to the sideline, he was standing there
Speaker 1: next to Antoine Woods, and he was smiling, almost laughing.
Speaker 1: I swear to god there looking at it. If you're
Speaker 1: watching alone, he was waving for a fair catch before
Speaker 1: the ball hit the guy's foot. Okay, I exaggerate, but
Speaker 1: that that left side man, look at this, if anybody's
Speaker 1: watching this right now, left side, there's one guy that
Speaker 1: would have gotten his way. And there was two blockers
Speaker 1: there and I don't know where the punter is. The
Speaker 1: punter was probably behind. The Vikings did not have their gunners,
Speaker 1: and because they were, they were protecting against a block. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't, and they didn't try an all out block.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys didn't. They had guys back there to cover
Speaker 1: the play. And I understand what the time left on
Speaker 1: the clock, and I was around twenty five seconds whatever
Speaker 1: it was. I understand. You do not want your punt
Speaker 1: returner running sideways east west and wasting time. And Jason
Speaker 1: said it in his press conference yesterday. You want him
Speaker 1: going north south, and I and he I think he
Speaker 1: thought it was conveyed to the punt returner to go
Speaker 1: north south and get as much as you can. There
Speaker 1: was an opportunity to go north south, and in this
Speaker 1: case it was west east. Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Actually it was east to west. Or he was west,
Speaker 1: he would have been running never by it. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he I mean, he could have got to at least
Speaker 1: I mean if it what if it took eight seconds
Speaker 1: the east, yes, so does it. Yeah. Look, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to replay. They're going towards that end of the stadium
Speaker 1: where the sun shines through. I thought they weren't going
Speaker 1: the other way. No, no, no, no, that's right because
Speaker 1: it was on this Cowboys all right, I was right.
Speaker 1: Now you continue where were you going? Keep going? Keep
Speaker 1: going on focus. But well you could talk to Mickey.
Speaker 1: It's like, even if it took even if it took
Speaker 1: eight seconds to get where he was gonna go, you
Speaker 1: would have still had time for two plays from no
Speaker 1: less than thirty yard lines a play that you like
Speaker 1: more so, right, and if you ran the play to
Speaker 1: make up to make that yard and you're gonna use
Speaker 1: up about eight seconds too. I mean, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: faster if you're gonna run north south, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: faster to field the punt and run than it is
Speaker 1: to run a play and get that yardage. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: tough man watching that one back. But that's why, that's
Speaker 1: why what, that's why you don't bet on games. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a prime example why you don't bet on games. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of prime examples. Yeah, even last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah about the Monday night we were talking about coaching decisions. Okay,
Speaker 1: about the forty nine ers. They get the ball back
Speaker 1: Seattle has in overtime, Yeah, they get the ball back
Speaker 1: in Seattle has no timeouts left. Okay, it was less
Speaker 1: than two minutes left in the game. You're at your
Speaker 1: I remember what yard line. Let's say they're at the
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty yard line whatever, and they run three
Speaker 1: pass plays, three incompletions and give the ball right back
Speaker 1: to Seattle. You in that situation, you're tied up, the
Speaker 1: other team has no timeouts left. Your number one priority
Speaker 1: is make sure you get out of this game with
Speaker 1: at least a tie. You're not going to give Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson an opportunity with more. With a minute twenty left
Speaker 1: in the game, they gave the ball back to Seattle.
Speaker 1: They held the ball for like twenty seconds because they
Speaker 1: threw three incompletions and they gave him time to make
Speaker 1: a game winning drive. You have to run a running
Speaker 1: play and milk the clock down under a minute, and
Speaker 1: then you start trying to win the game, right, which
Speaker 1: I heard people giving Gary Patterson grief for how he
Speaker 1: ended them. We just regulation game with thirty six seconds left. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now we've switched to college football. Now DCU and Baylor
Speaker 1: overtime was there for those of you following a log
Speaker 1: at home somewhere, it was there. It was their argument, though,
Speaker 1: that they had the ball in their own twenty five
Speaker 1: with thirty six seconds left in a tie game, and
Speaker 1: they didn't try to go down and score, and he said, well, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna go in the overtime. So it's just the
Speaker 1: opposite of what you said. But it was thirty six seconds,
Speaker 1: so anyway, you can't win. No, here's where I'm going
Speaker 1: face if if it doesn't work, it's a wrong decision.
Speaker 1: Even if the you know, the logic says you're doing
Speaker 1: the right thing. But if it doesn't work on third
Speaker 1: and two and second and two, it's the wrong decision.
Speaker 1: No one wants to go back to the previous possession
Speaker 1: when they passed the ball twice at the six yard
Speaker 1: line and it didn't work. Was that wrong? They ran
Speaker 1: the ball too many times. They're they're prisoners of their
Speaker 1: identity because they got to run the football. They threw
Speaker 1: the ball almost fifty times in the game. You're gonna
Speaker 1: throw sixty, that's what fans wanted. But you know, I
Speaker 1: do agree with the notion that you cannot You can't
Speaker 1: put your quarterback in that situation over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. You're not guaranteed to hit him Maari Cooper
Speaker 1: for a big game. Every time you drop back, and
Speaker 1: especially with a team that likes to blitz, you have
Speaker 1: to do something to keep them a little bit off balance.
Speaker 1: Now we can get into do they need to run
Speaker 1: as much on first down as they have because they
Speaker 1: didn't have success doing it for the most part. But
Speaker 1: you know what on that drive, seventy yards to the
Speaker 1: six yard line. Yeah, four times the first four plays
Speaker 1: of that drive. The first four first downs of that drive,
Speaker 1: they ran the ball, but they still went seventy yards.
Speaker 1: So what's the difference if you run on first down
Speaker 1: or second down. I'm sure there's some analytic dude out
Speaker 1: there it's gonna tell me that, you know, it's better
Speaker 1: to do it on second down than first down. But
Speaker 1: they went seventy yards running each one of those first downs,
Speaker 1: and they really didn't get anywhere, but they ran it
Speaker 1: because they had to make them recognize the fact that
Speaker 1: we are still going to run it and that's still
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. Yeah, and it didn't work. And like I
Speaker 1: said yesterday, if it had worked and they had scored
Speaker 1: and they had won the game, we would have been
Speaker 1: talking about how resilient this team is. And the defense
Speaker 1: got a stop, got two stops late in the game,
Speaker 1: and they found a way to beat a tough team
Speaker 1: they didn't so we're harping on basically all the negative.
Speaker 1: And I get it. There's there are trends that they
Speaker 1: have they have to stop, they have to get off
Speaker 1: to faster starts. They've got to be able to stop
Speaker 1: the run against good running teams. I get it, um,
Speaker 1: But there was some good that came out of that game.
Speaker 1: Now you have put yourself in somewhat of a hole
Speaker 1: when you look at San Francisco and Seattle. You got
Speaker 1: to win your division and that's that's number one. Because
Speaker 1: there's teams ahead of you now in this conference and
Speaker 1: it is a difficult stretch stretch coming up for sure.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that that perception is still out
Speaker 1: there because I did a I did a pregame interview
Speaker 1: with tune In Radio that's very good app And one
Speaker 1: of the questions they asked me, if Minnesota stops the
Speaker 1: Cowboys running game, can beat them throwing the ball, and
Speaker 1: I said, if they devote enough people to stop the
Speaker 1: Cowboys running game, DAC will absolutely beat them with the
Speaker 1: receivers that Cowboys had. And see that that's a positive
Speaker 1: to take away, and that's four yards passing. He should
Speaker 1: have been because what have we heard throughout his time
Speaker 1: off and on here, it's like, well if they'll they'll
Speaker 1: dare the Cowboys to throw and can dat take advantage.
Speaker 1: They can do that, and you've shown it for nine
Speaker 1: games now. Yeah. Yeah, and we've and we're also seeing
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb. I think he said after the game, that's
Speaker 1: the best he's felt as a Dallas Cowboy. Just felt
Speaker 1: like he was in the zone. I know he's had
Speaker 1: he had a back thing earlier. Those are positives at
Speaker 1: least offensively going forward, but you got to get Zeke going.
Speaker 1: I mean, when when you don't run them. I think
Speaker 1: David Moore had a stat there's four times in his
Speaker 1: career he's rushed under fifty yards and they've lost every game. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, they had Zeke going the last couple of games,
Speaker 1: and so I think it's more an aberration. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Mickey may have talked about it yesterday. You
Speaker 1: just know, from week to week in this league, you
Speaker 1: know he can get he can go for twenty carries
Speaker 1: for forty seven yards one week, and then he'll turn
Speaker 1: around next week and go for one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: seven yards on twenty carries against Detroit in Minnesota. Whoever
Speaker 1: they're playing next week, they're liable to give up one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards rushing to a team. I mean,
Speaker 1: it just a lot of it has to do with
Speaker 1: how your game plan week to week. I mean, if
Speaker 1: these two teams played again next week, Zeke probably will
Speaker 1: not get forty seven yards on twenty kerries. He'll probably
Speaker 1: be over one hundred yards rushing against the same team.
Speaker 1: It's just it's the way it is in this league.
Speaker 1: Week to week, it's different and you make adjustments. And
Speaker 1: that was one of the things Jerry pointed out this
Speaker 1: morning about, well, we learned about some of our running
Speaker 1: schemes and some of the plays we tried to run
Speaker 1: or how we block it. Now we go back and
Speaker 1: fix that stuff. So yeah, it's instructive. It's not like
Speaker 1: you just got to jump out the window. I understand
Speaker 1: they lost, and I understand everybody's it's a tough loss.
Speaker 1: Sites Yeah, it is. It is, but you can't throw
Speaker 1: in the towel. It's too early, get seven games left.
Speaker 1: It did remind me, sorry, Bill, It reminded me though,
Speaker 1: of the Saints game, where you know, you got to
Speaker 1: give credit to them their front four or their front seven.
Speaker 1: Just controlling things, and that has been a trend. When
Speaker 1: they've lost this season, they haven't been the better team
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. And this offensive line has
Speaker 1: got to, you know, find that consistency against better fronts.
Speaker 1: You know, well, think about it this way. So you
Speaker 1: had Connor Williams out there playing with a knee that's
Speaker 1: being scope today. You had Zach Martin out there with
Speaker 1: an elbow that he's going to end up on the
Speaker 1: probably injury report this week. Those guys are playing through things.
Speaker 1: I guarantee a Tyrant Smith is still playing through that ankle.
Speaker 1: It wasn't ankle, wasn't it. And and Lale Collins with
Speaker 1: his knee, So I'm not giving him. And those guys
Speaker 1: are tough as hell and they're fighting through it. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and so but they've found something I felt like the
Speaker 1: last couple games, especially in the running game. And so
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's disappointing that sometimes you go up
Speaker 1: against some guys that are really good. You gotta give
Speaker 1: him credit. That's why I said the Saints have one
Speaker 1: of the best fronts in the league. And they proved
Speaker 1: it sense right, Yes, yes, they proved it since But
Speaker 1: but that's your identity. You know those guys that's the
Speaker 1: heartbeat of your team. And they pass blocked fine, somehow
Speaker 1: he only got sacked once. All the blitzes they sent
Speaker 1: and he only got sacked once. And how many times
Speaker 1: he's been has he been sacked this year? So that's
Speaker 1: eleven eleven times? How many times was he sacked last year?
Speaker 1: Fifty six? Quite an improvement, That's that's kind of That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, is we're losing we're losing sight of
Speaker 1: some of the positive that they're going on with this team.
Speaker 1: But if you want to look at this particular game,
Speaker 1: Vikings won the battle up front and there's no question
Speaker 1: about it, both sides of the ball. Right. Mickey started
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Speaker 1: big watching party the day of the Patriots game, which
Speaker 1: is a three twenty five kickoff outdoors, I believe. So
Speaker 1: that was our read yesterday, the watch party. In fact,
Speaker 1: I probably have it right here. Yes, the Sunday November
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, in Tostito's Championship Plaza at the Star. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna put up our Christmas tree early
Speaker 1: this year that weekend. I should do that too. And
Speaker 1: the reason why is because Thanksgiving comes late twenty eight
Speaker 1: that's too late. My wife has given me orders that
Speaker 1: the weekend before the weekend of the Patriots game is
Speaker 1: the Christmas tree lighting ceremony at the jones Estake. Well,
Speaker 1: so would you like to go and put mine up? Two?
Speaker 1: Since I'll be out of time. Actually, we're getting a
Speaker 1: new tree this year, so we have to go buy
Speaker 1: one first. All so, I take it it's not a
Speaker 1: fresh tree. Okay, let's go to Josh in Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's it going guys? Great? All right, So, um, this
Speaker 1: is actually not a like frustration call because actually I
Speaker 1: was actually really encouraged by last the last game, you know,
Speaker 1: um to say that we needed to put it in daksense.
Speaker 1: It's just a testament of how far or how much
Speaker 1: season improved from day one from his rookie year to
Speaker 1: this year exact. Yeah, I'm pretty two years ago we
Speaker 1: probably would be like, oh, we need to put it
Speaker 1: in Deep's hands, but Dak's doing really good. In fact,
Speaker 1: I'm actually was encouraged by the play calling too as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jason had a point where I listened to
Speaker 1: his press conference, you know, like we needed to run
Speaker 1: the ball on the first downs and stuff, so that
Speaker 1: way we can keep the defense honest, you know. And
Speaker 1: so that's why, um, partially why attack was successful in
Speaker 1: throwing the ball. I mean, he's I mean not to
Speaker 1: say that he's not talented. He's really talented to as well. So, uh,
Speaker 1: if anybody was not encouraged by this football game, you know, UM,
Speaker 1: I don't know what what to say to them. And
Speaker 1: even the defense, and uh, you know there was I
Speaker 1: think Layton was still seemed pretty hurt the way how
Speaker 1: he how he tackled and stuff like that. So I
Speaker 1: think he was pretty hurt there. So I don't think
Speaker 1: too too bad of our of our defense. But I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask questions about Connor, Connor Williams and uh
Speaker 1: sue Philo. So I know that he's Connor's hurt, but uh,
Speaker 1: I believe Connor's more of a better pass blockers than
Speaker 1: Suet Philo, and Suet Filo is a better run blockers
Speaker 1: than Connor. I don't know, Mickey, if you can expand
Speaker 1: on that and I'll hang up the call. But um,
Speaker 1: I was way encouraged by by this game, and we
Speaker 1: need to pay Dak Prescott Annamar Cooper hopefully by them
Speaker 1: this year. But thanks guys, You guys are doing a
Speaker 1: great job, all right, Thanks very much. Josh from Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: John to pay Randall Cobb too. By the way, Josh
Speaker 1: Garrett from Jacksonville, I think his assessment was pretty good
Speaker 1: on Suefilo. Yeah, Sue Philo and Connor Williams. And I
Speaker 1: think what people need to remember is Sue Filo took
Speaker 1: over for him when he had his right knee scope
Speaker 1: last year, and then when he came back, he was
Speaker 1: the backup. He went in for Zach Martin when Zach,
Speaker 1: I guess it was his knee right, he missed the
Speaker 1: start and he had to take over for him in
Speaker 1: a game. And then when people try to say, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: Sue of Filo is better, Connor Williams started both playoff
Speaker 1: games and played well in those playoff games, So that
Speaker 1: tells you what they think the difference is between those
Speaker 1: two guys. And I thought Connor Williams was playing much
Speaker 1: better this year than he had well. But I do
Speaker 1: think Suaphilo helped them and was productive when he was
Speaker 1: in there. He got banged up to last year. If
Speaker 1: you remember, yes, he did had an ankle and it
Speaker 1: seemed to limit it his mobility as they as they
Speaker 1: move forward, he does have some power that he can
Speaker 1: bring to the offensive line. I'm not disagreeing with you, Mick,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a reason why. You know, we
Speaker 1: got questions in the off season about well you got
Speaker 1: you got a surplus of depth, should that you trade
Speaker 1: a guy like Sue of Philo. This is why you
Speaker 1: don't do that, because you know I think he can
Speaker 1: step in and give him something. No, I think he can,
Speaker 1: but I think he's a little slow on pass blocking.
Speaker 1: And I had a question from someone yesterday, why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you have Why is Sue Philo a better option starting
Speaker 1: at guard than Joe Looney? Oh? Because he's better and
Speaker 1: he's bigger. I think Joe's a nice backup center. Doesn't
Speaker 1: or that's what I told him. Is that power to
Speaker 1: play or the other part of it? Even if their
Speaker 1: ability is equal, you still if it is equal, then
Speaker 1: Sue Philo is your backup guard and you don't. And
Speaker 1: what if something happened to Frederick you want him to
Speaker 1: He want see Sue Filo to get all the first
Speaker 1: team reps at left guard and not have Looney Band
Speaker 1: playing left guard and then you then you got to
Speaker 1: make two switch exactly. Travis goes down. Yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: want to do that, all right, Chris from Connecticut, You're
Speaker 1: next up here on Talking Cowboys. Hello Chris, Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for taking a call. Sure, fifty years
Speaker 1: now as a Cowboy fan, and man, it doesn't get
Speaker 1: any easier, you know what, And if you make it
Speaker 1: another fifty years, it won't be any easier either. There
Speaker 1: you go. Hey, I have a couple of observations to make,
Speaker 1: and I'm just hope, I'm hoping that maybe you can
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. But I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 1: I thought about this. Uh you know that last played
Speaker 1: to Zeke. That's the empty backfield play, last game, last
Speaker 1: last play of that series at the end there, And
Speaker 1: that's the one that I have the most problem with.
Speaker 1: If you look back the last for critical you know,
Speaker 1: playoff games and situations like that. You go back to
Speaker 1: the Green Bay playoff game where where you know they're
Speaker 1: they're driving for a potential touchdown, end up kicking that
Speaker 1: field goal on third and two or three, they go
Speaker 1: empty backfield. They take Zeke off the field. In that one,
Speaker 1: the ball gets batted down, he has to rush the pass.
Speaker 1: They did the same thing against the Ram last year.
Speaker 1: Late in the third or fourth quarter, they're at the
Speaker 1: fifty yard line, they go for it. On fourth they
Speaker 1: go empty backfield, same results, same things. Fourth down against
Speaker 1: the Jets, empty backfield, the ball, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: to rush the pass, and then we go empty backfield
Speaker 1: against Minnesota. It's just like, do you think that there's
Speaker 1: a little trend there or what. So you're talking on
Speaker 1: the fourth and five past to Zeke, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: why are we always going empty backfield in that situation?
Speaker 1: I don't get it, because you're trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that if they blitz, you know where the blitz is
Speaker 1: coming from. Well the downside as you have no one
Speaker 1: there to protect dak right. Well, his protection was fine,
Speaker 1: wasn't it. I Mean he did get a little pressure
Speaker 1: from his left and he had to throw over Tyrant Smith,
Speaker 1: but he didn't stay with the play long enough. I
Speaker 1: think when he goes back and looks at it, man,
Speaker 1: did he have Randall cope Cob Cob had a step yep, yep. Hindsight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But that's why they go empty in those situations because
Speaker 1: they if they're figuring okay, they know we're passing U.
Speaker 1: If we play in tight, then they're gonna blitz and
Speaker 1: it makes it a little more difficult to figure out
Speaker 1: where the blitz is coming from. I appreciate that insight.
Speaker 1: And do you have time for one more question? Sure?
Speaker 1: Why not? I guess the other thing is, I'm just
Speaker 1: scratching my head as as to why a week. One
Speaker 1: week they look great against the run in the screen,
Speaker 1: you know, they look great against New Orleans, and then
Speaker 1: you have this show up and what do you what
Speaker 1: do you think is going on? Is it? Is it
Speaker 1: a lack of discipline by you know, filling the gaps?
Speaker 1: Is that I just it kind of blows my mind
Speaker 1: that they can place, they can look so amazing one
Speaker 1: week and then just look completely confused an act right.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was because they were playing the NFL's leading rusher.
Speaker 1: He's a special player, but Kimara is too, and you
Speaker 1: bring up a good point there. They kind of kept
Speaker 1: Kimara relatively in check in that game. I thought Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett brought up a good point in that you know
Speaker 1: they are an aggressive up the field defense and you
Speaker 1: have to be able to harness that and not let
Speaker 1: that be used against you. And I think Minnesota did that.
Speaker 1: I think they used their aggressiveness against them on some
Speaker 1: of those screens, but especially the screens, especially especially early,
Speaker 1: those two early in the game that got him a
Speaker 1: couple of stopped in the run. They I mean, they
Speaker 1: were just getting gashed. I don't know, you know, there
Speaker 1: were holes there and then they you give that guy
Speaker 1: ahead of steam and now he's running over your linebackers.
Speaker 1: In the second half, first half they did twenty seven yards. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: and then he goes for seventy and then Madison went
Speaker 1: for or whatever, he went for two fifty two not
Speaker 1: only eight carries. Yeah, that's a problem. And that's how
Speaker 1: you hold to hold the ball for twelve minutes in
Speaker 1: the third quarter. Two? Yeah, because when did they have
Speaker 1: one possession in the third one in one possession? It
Speaker 1: was a quality possession, but it was it was only one.
Speaker 1: All right? You want the TV ratings now or after
Speaker 1: the breaks? All right? TV ratings? Berry Horn on Twitter
Speaker 1: about the same time that Mickey asked me about the
Speaker 1: TV ratings. As these numbers Minnesota Saint Paul outscored DFW.
Speaker 1: The vikings won the TV ratings two thirty nine point
Speaker 1: three to thirty five point four, so the cow So
Speaker 1: DFW had a thirty five point four rating. Minneapolis St.
Speaker 1: Paul thirty nine point three. The number three market nationally
Speaker 1: was Old Reliable San Antonio at twenty five point four,
Speaker 1: followed by Austin at twenty four, Houston eighteen point six.
Speaker 1: I wonder how that ranks with any Texans game down there.
Speaker 1: Up next was Memphis at eighteen point two, where they
Speaker 1: must have been thrilled by Tony Pollard's one carry from
Speaker 1: Berry Hard. So they didn't he didn't have the national rating,
Speaker 1: does not have the national But did you see the
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Speaker 1: I am looking for the national numbers on the Sunday
Speaker 1: Night football and the final numbers are near a season
Speaker 1: high according to this article, I've reading an average, so
Speaker 1: i'll kay allow just read it. The final numbers are
Speaker 1: in for last night's white knuckler between the ultimately victorious
Speaker 1: Minnesota Ikes of the Dallas Cowboys. That they look good.
Speaker 1: Indeed when it comes to the map, scoring an average
Speaker 1: of twenty three million viewers last night's Sunday Night game,
Speaker 1: which Sunday Night Sunday Night game is the one hundred
Speaker 1: time over the past ten years. Add it is topped
Speaker 1: twenty million, So it was good. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that tells you. What was that Sunday night or Monday night?
Speaker 1: It was Sunday night. Okay. This article was written yesterday.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, got you? Yeah? Okay, So now I did
Speaker 1: see something where actually it was a shade under twenty
Speaker 1: three million viewers and the three twenty five kickoff the
Speaker 1: Panthers who they play let me find it here green Bay.
Speaker 1: Green Bay actually had twenty three point one nine six
Speaker 1: million viewers and the Vikings Cowboys had twenty two point
Speaker 1: nine eight eight. Now the difference there. There's more to
Speaker 1: watch on a Sunday night than there is on a
Speaker 1: Sunday afternoon, right, yeah, there's not much NFL is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it is unbelievable how much the NFL is king in
Speaker 1: TV ratings. I mean, you look at anything across the
Speaker 1: board and it's just a smidgin of what an NFL
Speaker 1: game gets. It ain't. It ain't dropping much as No,
Speaker 1: it isn't. It's how many people watch The Office? This
Speaker 1: every week? The Office is no longer on so none,
Speaker 1: it's in syndication. Yeah, well, how many people watch that?
Speaker 1: I told Mickey about The Office yesterday, so now he's
Speaker 1: on it. Oh okay, but I told him it was great.
Speaker 1: You ever watched Friends? Very rarely? And I guarantee I
Speaker 1: never watched one all the way through? Why, Like, if
Speaker 1: you're just surfing and you see it, and I'll say,
Speaker 1: I love Friends, Okay, I don't watch much TV. I
Speaker 1: don't either, but I started watching Friends and it's going
Speaker 1: away from Netflix. Oh no, it's bad. Yeah, it's bad news.
Speaker 1: Are you are a Friends guy? I wasn't actually Okay, well,
Speaker 1: so much for that to find a different audience. You
Speaker 1: just watched it to see Jennifer Aniston, right, and uh,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the fourth and five. Easy
Speaker 1: segue there, all right? The fourth and five past to Zeke? Yes,
Speaker 1: what do you think of it? Like? I thought he
Speaker 1: had better options if he had stayed on the plata,
Speaker 1: had better options. Yes, okay, what do you think of it?
Speaker 1: I thought Cobb had had a step on his man
Speaker 1: working inside. And did Dak look to Witten first? Was
Speaker 1: that his first? So the right? Collinsworth tried to say
Speaker 1: that he looked for a mari and they doubled Marie
Speaker 1: high and low. But I did never see look to
Speaker 1: the right. Here we go, Here we go. We're watching
Speaker 1: it here now. And Kendricks is a great coverage linebacker too.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's a heck of a play to
Speaker 1: the sideline. Back it up there and take it all
Speaker 1: the way back to the snap Kyle Yeoman's if you can.
Speaker 1: And let's see if how much he looks right? He
Speaker 1: glanced over Boom, but he never waited to see what
Speaker 1: the route developed. Now, now about Zeke, that's a tough
Speaker 1: play for I think for a running back to make
Speaker 1: I mean it's not just a little flare pass out there.
Speaker 1: I mean that ball is fired for an out route
Speaker 1: for a running back to make that play. If it
Speaker 1: didn't get tipped, I think he had it. Yeah maybe
Speaker 1: all right, let me ask you this, what about his route?
Speaker 1: Did you look at his route? Probably didn't go deep
Speaker 1: enough like he well he was, I mean he was
Speaker 1: a yard and a half beyond the sticks. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, this is one thing. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like um Collins where its people, you know, Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't know what the route was supposed to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly if he had made a sharp cut to the sticks, Okay,
Speaker 1: it looked like he d If he was supposed to
Speaker 1: think out that, he drifted deeper and it gave an
Speaker 1: angle to Kendricks to make the play. Uh, if he
Speaker 1: had made a sharp cut to the sideline, Kendricks might
Speaker 1: have not had an angle to knock it away. It
Speaker 1: might knocking it away. But again that gets back to Zeke.
Speaker 1: Does it run that route very often? Right? You know?
Speaker 1: And I'm sure when they when they left for the play,
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, our best matchup is Zeke A linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's fair. And but good things happen when they
Speaker 1: run screens with Zeke. But that's an entirely different animal
Speaker 1: than what he was asked to do on that particular play, right,
Speaker 1: that's right. I love Zeke as a receiver, yeah, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's something they need to look at more. I
Speaker 1: think Garrett was asked about that yesterday. You know, are
Speaker 1: they involving him enough in that regard? You don't like that? No,
Speaker 1: I but he was asked that. That's what I was
Speaker 1: shaking my head for. So well, what's wrong with asking that? Well? No, no, nothing.
Speaker 1: But when Cooper's catching eleven passes for one hundred and
Speaker 1: forty seven yards and Cobb's catching six for one hundred
Speaker 1: and six and Gallop four for seventy six and jar
Speaker 1: one just three for thirty five, how many more plays
Speaker 1: you have to throw Zeke the ball? Another way to
Speaker 1: get you It's not if it's not a screen, and
Speaker 1: you're probably not screening when you're that close to the
Speaker 1: goal line, right, because you're not not. Yeah, that's you're
Speaker 1: not spreading enough people out. YEA. I like what you're saying, Rob,
Speaker 1: that it's another way to employ Zeke you know, so
Speaker 1: give him a long handoff instead of a short Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, But I get your point. I mean they're
Speaker 1: they're spreading it around, and that's kind of goes back to, well,
Speaker 1: you know why runs so much? You did? You did
Speaker 1: throw almost fifty times in this game, forty six passes,
Speaker 1: just not late I wonder. I mean, it's just not
Speaker 1: what it battered the vote. I should I should have
Speaker 1: looked this up. But like, what's his career high for attempts?
Speaker 1: Do you think he's throwing fifty? I don't think he has.
Speaker 1: He may have in one of these games where they've
Speaker 1: been behind, and trying to catch that answer for you
Speaker 1: if you can vamp for a second, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: he's hit fifty before because they end up running the ball.
Speaker 1: What twenty two times? Twenty two runs forty six? I
Speaker 1: got one minute, I got one to try to find
Speaker 1: in this media guide what his career I is for attempts.
Speaker 1: Brian always says this, and I agree with him. They're
Speaker 1: they're at their best when he's throwing twenty eight times
Speaker 1: and they're running at twenty five. Yeah, well, they weren't
Speaker 1: at their best because they weren't getting anywhere running the ball,
Speaker 1: but they were gashing them throwing the ball. They were,
Speaker 1: and you know, and they adapted. Everybody goes, why can't
Speaker 1: they adapt? They did adapt. They ended up throwing the
Speaker 1: ball almost fifty times, actually forty seven if we count Cobbs. Yes,
Speaker 1: we shan't play. He had fifty four attempts last year
Speaker 1: against Philadelphia. He was forty two out of fifty four
Speaker 1: for four hundred fifty five yards at seventy seven point
Speaker 1: eight percent completion percentage asteris, two interceptions, three touchdown. Was
Speaker 1: that the overtime game? That was the overtime game? A right,
Speaker 1: it was, okay, find one in regulation. Now I always
Speaker 1: have to have an asterisk. Um, he hasn't hit fifty
Speaker 1: this season? Right? No? Yeah? No? Um? He had forty
Speaker 1: five in his rookie and his first start ever. What
Speaker 1: do you mean the first game twenty five out of
Speaker 1: forty five this season opener against the Giants in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and they won, they lost, they lost twenty to nineteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so I think he's got to have more than
Speaker 1: forty five. Let's see. Oh, he hit fifty against Denver.
Speaker 1: Oh that was they were way behind. Usually it's when
Speaker 1: they couldn't run in that game, right, he had like
Speaker 1: nine yards or something. Yeah. Yeah, And let's close with
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