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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal, Huge breaking news this morning

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Speaker 2: here and abroad. So Israel has resumed their all out

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Speaker 2: assault on Gaza. Really one of the deadliest days that

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Speaker 2: we've seen in quite a long time. So that ceasefire

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Speaker 2: is completely gone. It had been you know, had already

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Speaker 2: sort of been broken, but now it is just all

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Speaker 2: out and salt back on. So we'll break all of

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Speaker 2: that down for you. Also, Trump now sort of threatening

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Speaker 2: war with Iran. So another significant development there, we had

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Speaker 2: updates with regard to the courts and Trump's invocation of

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Speaker 2: the Alien Enemies Act. We've got updated news with regard

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Speaker 2: to the economy, consumer sentiment in particular falling off cliff

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Speaker 2: the DOGE people led by Elon really taking acts to

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Speaker 2: their plans there. And Chuck Schumer canceling his planned book

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Speaker 2: tour on his book Anti Semitism because of quote unquote

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Speaker 2: security concerns after there is a fierce democratic backlash to

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Speaker 2: his decision to cave to the Republicans.

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Speaker 1: And the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: So interesting domestic political moves there.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, he's got security concerns now for a forty

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Speaker 1: five day book tour, long planned tickets were all sold

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I think the first one was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be with Richie Torres. What a shame, so good, What

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Speaker 2: a shame that people will miss dount on that.

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Speaker 1: All right, hard turn here. We've got some very very

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Speaker 1: terrible developments overnight in Israel, And let's go ahead and

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Speaker 1: put some of this up on the screen and I

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Speaker 1: will narrate over it. So there's military operations resuming late

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Speaker 1: There was some knowledge that military operations would resume at

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Speaker 1: and the resumption of military operations as well basically caught

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Speaker 1: everybody surprise, except for the United States. Let's put this

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Speaker 1: up there on the screen. Drop Side News Ryan Grim

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Speaker 1: And the resumption of bombing there in October. The October

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Speaker 3: The President is going to stand for the navigation freedom

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Speaker 1: So you can see. It's pretty and clear that they

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Speaker 1: didn't try to enforce freedom of navigation. Yes, we just

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Speaker 1: so everybody buckle up. And it's unfortunate. But I don't

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Speaker 1: hope is Trump blinks and there's so much instability that

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Speaker 1: They were on the right track. But as you guys

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Speaker 2: Mention a story that we never could get to covering,

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be under Tulsi at the DNI in

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Speaker 2: this point it is undeniable that he was not willing

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Speaker 1: say a lot about Tucker. To call him a Katari

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Speaker 1: asset is probably one of the dumbest things that I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen. It's worth pointing out a strike on the

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Speaker 1: Irani nuclear sides will almost certainly result in thousands of

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Speaker 1: American debts. It bases throughout the Middle East cost the

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Speaker 1: United States tens of billions of dollars. The cost of

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Speaker 1: future acts of terrorism on American soil may even be higher.

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Speaker 1: Those aren't guesses. Those are the Pentagon's own estimates. That's true.

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Speaker 1: A bombing campaign against Iran will set off a war.

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Speaker 1: It will be America's war. Don't let the propagandas lie

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Speaker 1: to you directly underneath it top reply, the post is

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Speaker 1: brought to you by Qatar. But listen, it's him. You

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Speaker 1: got Candace, you got Steve Bannon out there. That's basically it.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else in the administration, even the people who may

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Speaker 1: agree their mouths are shut, they don't have anything they

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Speaker 1: could particularly do. At the top, you've got Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 1: Mike Walsh, We've got micro Rubio, Mike Wallas, and Pete

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Speaker 1: hegseth All who basically said stuff like this before or

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Speaker 1: the opposite of this on Iran in the past. They're

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Speaker 1: on the record about how they think, you know, America

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Speaker 1: should handle all of this. So yeah, I hope it

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Speaker 1: works out. I'm not not very hopeful, you know, to

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Speaker 1: look at all this this the ground is laid and

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Speaker 1: everyone always points to the Soulamani things like, oh, nothing happened.

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Speaker 1: It's like you can't take it as evidence that nothing

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Speaker 1: happened in the future.

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Speaker 2: Not even true, because they did attack and injure quite

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Speaker 2: a number of our troups. But yes, but it didn't

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Speaker 2: lead to it.

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Speaker 1: It didn't lead to a massive break. Yeah, you're right,

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Speaker 1: but that's not evidence that that this is going to

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Speaker 1: be okay this time. A direct attack by the United

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Speaker 1: States on Iranian soil would be a new era. It

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Speaker 1: would be a new jump off point, and it would

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Speaker 1: just take almost nothing for us to easily become in

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Speaker 1: mash not only in a war with Iran in Godz

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Speaker 1: and then by that standard, you know, we should be

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Speaker 1: involved in in Gaza with Iran in Yemen. The way

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Speaker 1: that this can snowball, as we also during the War

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Speaker 1: on Terror, during the war in Iraq, is just so

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Speaker 1: detrimental to any fundamental reading of American interests. So I'm

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Speaker 1: very worried about this, I really am.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it really seems like they're sad to

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Speaker 2: give Israel everything that they wanted. I mean, the fantasy

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Speaker 2: for Israel forever has been to draw us in to

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Speaker 2: a direct conflict with Iran, and we're on the precipice

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Speaker 2: of that. I mean, I think it's worth taking a minute.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I want to go back to what

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Speaker 2: Tucker was saying there. I think we can all note

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Speaker 2: for the record. I'm not a fan of Tucker Carlson.

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Speaker 2: What did he say there that was not correct?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, And it's I mean it's telling when people when

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Speaker 2: they're only come back as like, oh, you're a paid

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Speaker 2: propagandist for Qatar. It's like, why don't you actually respond

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Speaker 2: to what he said?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 2: We have tons of thousands of troops stationed across the region.

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Speaker 2: There would all I mean, this is outside of the notion,

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Speaker 2: even of a broader conflagration would be immediately putting all

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Speaker 2: of their lives at risk for what to further bib

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Speaker 2: nat Yahoo's domestic political ambitions, to further the interests of Israel,

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Speaker 2: Like what are we doing here? Go and ask the

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Speaker 2: American public how they feel about war with Iran, about

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Speaker 2: a more chaotic and inflamed Middle East? How do they

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Speaker 2: feel about that? And the answer will be absolutely resounding.

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Speaker 2: All of the support for dragging us into some new

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Speaker 2: Middle East conflict is within thirty miles of where we

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Speaker 2: sit right now. That's basically all of the support for

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Speaker 2: it in this nation is right here. Because of all

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Speaker 2: sorts of interest in you know, whether it's the military

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Speaker 2: industrial complex, whether it's just absolutely ideological actors whether it

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Speaker 2: is people who are you know, directly interested whatever the

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Speaker 2: neat Yahoo government wants, that's what they get, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: We know the level of power that these people have

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Speaker 2: and have had in both parties, which is why, you know,

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Speaker 2: now you get the Trump administration, and Trump's supposed to

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Speaker 2: be this totally different character, and he's pursuing a policy

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Speaker 2: that sure does rhyme with the policy of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: You know, to go back to the Houthis here as well.

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Speaker 2: You guys, remember Biden said, do I think that this

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Speaker 2: policy of bombing the Houthis is going to work? No,

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Speaker 2: but we're going to continue it anyways. Like that's what

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Speaker 2: we're talking about here. This policy has already been a

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Speaker 2: proven failure that is only going to lead to increased escalation.

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Speaker 2: Like the best case scenario is that we just blow

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Speaker 2: up a bunch of Humeni's and it doesn't lead to

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Speaker 2: a massive war. But already, the whole reason that the

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Speaker 2: Houthis started their campaign again because they had stopped during

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Speaker 2: the ceasefire, was because Israel broke the ceasefire and especially

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Speaker 2: specifically resumed the siege in the blockade of humanitarian aid

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Speaker 2: and ultimately cut off the electricity, and of course now

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Speaker 2: we're back on to full on genicidal assault with in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: The whole thing is insane. You know. Just to back

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Speaker 2: up a little bit on with regard to how we

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Speaker 2: got here with Iran, the Obama administration negotiated the Iranian

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Speaker 2: nuclear deal that was actually going well. Trump I think,

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Speaker 2: just reflexively because Obama did it, gets out of it.

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Speaker 2: I think Saga is correct that with regard to the

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Speaker 2: Middle East, he's just more transaction. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: is a particularly ideological actor here, which is why some

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Speaker 2: people held on hope that perhaps he would approach things

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Speaker 2: in a different way than the Biden administration. But so

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Speaker 2: he gets out in his first administration, the Biden administration

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Speaker 2: then fails to get back in. This was something we

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Speaker 2: covered extensively at the time that the window to do

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Speaker 2: it was right at the beginning of his sid administration,

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Speaker 2: when you still had a you know, relatively moderate Iranian

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Speaker 2: political leadership in charge. That was the moment to do it.

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Speaker 2: The Iranians had continued to comply with that with that

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Speaker 2: deal even after we had exited it. Biden never does it.

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Speaker 2: It remains, you know, we remain out of that deal.

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Speaker 2: Trump comes back in and make some noises about basically

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Speaker 2: either we're going to bomb you or you're going to

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Speaker 2: get back in the deal, and the leadership says, screw you, Like,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to be bullied. We've put the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration put even war sanctions on Iran, like that's been

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Speaker 2: working in the past, Like that's achieved our goals either

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Speaker 2: there or in Russia or Cuba or anywhere else around

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Speaker 2: the world. We're going to put war sanctions on resumption

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Speaker 2: and maximum pressure. And the Iranian leadership said, why should

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Speaker 2: we trust you. We were in this deal before you

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Speaker 2: all backed down. There's no reason for us to trust

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Speaker 2: you whatsoever. You're trying to bully us with the sanctions

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Speaker 2: Like no, and so now here we are very close

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Speaker 2: to giving beebe his absolute fondest wish. Ken Klippenstein had

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Speaker 2: a really good piece. Let's go and put this up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. He noted a couple of escalations, some

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Speaker 2: of which I hadn't even taken note of because they

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Speaker 2: were not really brought up in the US press. His

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Speaker 2: headline here is Trump is now at war with Iran.

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Speaker 2: Let's call this what it is. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I would go quite that far yet, but the indications

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Speaker 2: are certainly very troubling, he says in this piece, without

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Speaker 2: the American press even noticing Donald Trump has started a

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Speaker 2: war with Iran. On February twenty eighth, the US military

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Speaker 2: announced two B fifty two heavy bombers flying from an

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Speaker 2: undisclosed location in the Middle East, which I can report

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Speaker 2: as the country of Qatar, dropped bombs on another undisclosed location,

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Speaker 2: which was Iraq. The message was not lost on neighboring Iran,

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Speaker 2: whose state media warned that the B fifty twos are

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Speaker 2: nuclear capable bombers carrying a message whose recipient was clear

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Speaker 2: as day, the Islamic Republic of Iran. He goes on. Then,

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Speaker 2: on March ninth, a second bomber demonstration was made. USB

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Speaker 2: fifty twos flew alongside Israeli fighter jets on long range missions,

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Speaker 2: practicing aerial refueling and joint operations. Again, the American press

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Speaker 2: missed the story, though not the Israeli press, which correctly

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Speaker 2: reported the real purpose of the operation quote readying the

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Speaker 2: Israeli military for a potential joint strike with the US

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Speaker 2: on Iran. The military preparations culminated this weekend in a

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Speaker 2: set of US airstrikes on Hufi leadership in Yemen, and

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Speaker 2: Ken says he will be reporting today on more of

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Speaker 2: the war plans with Iran. So the preparations have been made,

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Speaker 2: the groundwork has been laid. The rhetorical groundwork with regard

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Speaker 2: to you know, Trump and the way he's posturing has

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Speaker 2: also been put out there. And you know, the whole

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Speaker 2: thing is in danger of being ignited directly by our

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Speaker 2: president deciding to go along with whatever it is the

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Speaker 2: Israelis one.

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Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty five, We invaded Iraq in three. It

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Speaker 1: was twenty twenty two, twenty two years ago, So why

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Speaker 1: are we using Do you know even want to know

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Speaker 1: how much it cost to run a B fifty two

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Speaker 1: per hour? You really don't. It would be enough for

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Speaker 1: you know, there's always that meme. It's like people are

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Speaker 1: about to find out why America doesn't have universal health

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Speaker 1: care at time there on the bike, you have no

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Speaker 1: clue of the amount of money that we have expended

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Speaker 1: here just trying to do what to show Iran that

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Speaker 1: we're tough.

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Speaker 2: Weird, weird that dog doesn't seem interested in this spending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, and look, this solution is staring us

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Speaker 1: all in the face. Didn't even cost any money. Just

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Speaker 1: tell the Israelis, hey, we're doing a ceasefire. Now you

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Speaker 1: got your you know, you did it for two years.

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Speaker 1: You basically leveled the place. That's you know, every time

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Speaker 1: I see them, they're they're bombing, and I'm like, what

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Speaker 1: is even left? What is left the bomb? I don't

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Speaker 1: even know.

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Speaker 2: Women and children on the photos and the videos that

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Speaker 2: are going in, it's predominantly women in jo.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is quote left to hit? And if it

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Speaker 1: is at this point, isn't that an admission that your

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Speaker 1: bombing campaign over a two year period has already you know,

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Speaker 1: basically failed, because it means that you haven't been able

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Speaker 1: to accomplish this through military force and or limited ground incursions.

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Speaker 1: Oh oops, I'll allowed to ask that question. The point

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Speaker 1: is is that this point, I mean, what it's March eighteenth,

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Speaker 1: This has been when eighteen months or so bombing can

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Speaker 1: probably more at this point bombing campaign by the Israelis

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Speaker 1: and ground operations. When are we going to admit this

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Speaker 1: is a total failure and why should we continue? But

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Speaker 1: that's just how Washington works, how I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how long it took for US to stop providing the

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Speaker 1: Saudis with arms for their hoothy campaign. Maybe a year.

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Speaker 1: I think five years. At that point in Washington is

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Speaker 1: the easiest thing. You just keep the checks and all

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Speaker 1: that flowing. The problem is is you are walking us

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Speaker 1: closer and closer to the precipice. You drew your red

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Speaker 1: line now, so if you don't follow, if you follow

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Speaker 1: through on it, it's bad. If you don't follow through

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Speaker 1: on it, you're gonna look like an idiot. And then

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Speaker 1: the pressure here is unbelievable. Yesterday was the most excited

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Speaker 1: I have seen neo cons in the entire Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: First and second, So listen, I trust them. They know

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Speaker 1: when they're getting what they want. They have been seething

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Speaker 1: over wit Cough. They've attacked him, They've smeared him Bowler,

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00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: they destroyed this man's career. They have smeared any person

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Speaker 1: who has said that they want to avoid war with Iran.

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Speaker 1: They have used all their media outlets, they've thrown everything

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Speaker 1: they possibly can, and I think they've won for now.

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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: So people, you know, if you're somebody who disagrees with that,

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Speaker 1: you also need to engage here on a baseline political level.

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Speaker 1: It's not just even about protests or any of this.

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Speaker 1: These small fights that we've been trying to raise attention to,

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Speaker 1: they matter a lot because they've got an entire media

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Speaker 1: apparatus ready to go this. You know, the smear campaigns

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Speaker 1: that have been against these Go spend some time on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Go look at some of these accounts. They're disgusting the

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Speaker 1: way that they just spread literal lives. They don't care

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Speaker 1: about the truth. All they care about is getting their way.

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Speaker 1: And so we're in a dangerous place and there's no

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Speaker 1: media apparatus to try and serve as a check. It's

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Speaker 1: great to see, you know, Tucker, Dave Smith and all

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Speaker 1: these other guys that are out there. We're a tiny fraction,

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Speaker 1: you know, of anybody with any real power. But the

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Speaker 1: good news usually is that the actual voters are not

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Speaker 1: with a lot of these neo cons and if they do,

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Speaker 1: if they go down this road, it's the easiest way

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Speaker 1: to ruin your presidency. The George W. Bush administration was

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Speaker 1: destroyed by the war in Iraq and by privatization. Sound familiar,

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Speaker 1: so like sometimes history just needs to rhyme enough for

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Speaker 1: you to It needs to just rhyme just enough for

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Speaker 1: you to maybe recall some lessons and not go down

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Speaker 1: that path. I would hope, I would hope. I know

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Speaker 1: at least some people in the White House would know that.

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Speaker 2: I do think that there is I think it may

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Speaker 2: be the case that Trump misreads what the politics would be.

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Speaker 2: I think he assumes there would be a sort of

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Speaker 2: like rally round the flag effect that would benefit him politically.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately they are, honestly, and I mean with his base, yeah,

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Speaker 2: with the Republican Party, yes, there would be. With the

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Speaker 2: rest of the country, no, there would not be. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, this is someone who is engaged

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Speaker 2: in consolidating all the power that he can, and war

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Speaker 2: is a great way to consolidate even more power, claim

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Speaker 2: even more extraordinary powers that and I do think that

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Speaker 2: he just, you know, has this assumption that countries at

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Speaker 2: war people rally around the flag and I'll get a

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Speaker 2: big bump, and you know, and we do see the

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Speaker 2: way the media backs up anytime there's bombing. Suddenly CNN

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Speaker 2: and MSNBC and Fox News are all like singing the

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Speaker 2: same tune. So he's not even one hundred percent wrong

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Speaker 2: about the way that the media backs him up. But ultimately,

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Speaker 2: I think Sager is one hundred percent correct that after

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Speaker 2: possibly an initial like oh look at us, we're so strong, etc.

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Speaker 2: When the reality of yet another Middle East quagmire disastrous

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Speaker 2: war sets in, which would set in very quickly, then

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Speaker 2: the political implications of that are going to be very different. Now, again,

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Speaker 2: I think this president is an authoritarian, and I think

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Speaker 2: that he wants to consolidate power in a way where

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Speaker 2: that political descent, where he's basically sort of immune from

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Speaker 2: that political descent and you know, where it doesn't really

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Speaker 2: matter to him and what he wants to do, And

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Speaker 2: maybe he'll be right about that as well. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I think Saga is absolutely correct that the public overall,

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Speaker 2: not the Republican base, but the public overall will viscerally

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Speaker 2: reject being dragged into another war. And because also, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is for this is for Israel, like they're the

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Speaker 2: ones who want this. It's not like we had after

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, like we were attacked and people did

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Speaker 2: rally around the flag and there was a sentiment and

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Speaker 2: that sentiment was directed in all of the wrong places.

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Speaker 2: But we haven't had like October seventh wasn't here, So

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Speaker 2: we haven't had that same you know, assault directly on us.

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Speaker 2: So the political landscape is wildly different than it was

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Speaker 2: during that time, during the Georgia especially illustration.

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Speaker 1: You know. And I just got to show people like

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Speaker 1: what this is like. So my friend Trey Yings, he's

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Speaker 1: the Fox News correspondent. Can we agree he's not very

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Speaker 1: pre you know, like the most pro Hamas same, But

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Speaker 1: can we can we agree on that?

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Speaker 2: I certainly, I can certainly agree on it. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean I would say he dared to stand up

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Speaker 2: for palace to the journalist, let me read.

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Speaker 1: You what he said this morning. He said, horrific images

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Speaker 1: circulating inside Gaza the aftermath of Israeli strikes. One shows

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Speaker 1: a small baby wearing a jumpsuit with rainbows who was killed.

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Speaker 1: The death toll continues to rise. That's what he said.

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Speaker 1: That's a statement of fact. You know what, you know what?

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Speaker 1: And these are all professional right wing influencers, thought leaders,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Who's circulating the images, Trey? What are the

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Speaker 1: sourcing on these images? Why was the baby there? A Trey?

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Speaker 1: Do you have any images of the hostages? When will

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Speaker 1: Hamas stop using human shields? Hamas is the one that's

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Speaker 1: responsible for this. This is what the aftermath of taking

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Speaker 1: hostages look like, every single one of those And look,

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Speaker 1: I know Twitter is not real life, but the reason

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Speaker 1: I'm reading from them is I know every single one

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Speaker 1: of those people and how influential they are in the discourse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that is who is winning right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Trump and they takes Twitter very seriously too, And.

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Speaker 1: They should take Twitter seriously right because that's like the

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Speaker 1: right wing ecosystem of where all their voters are, or

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Speaker 1: at least a significant portion of their thought leadership, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Is all he said, horrific images circulating inside go. It's

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Speaker 1: not even a statement, it's a statement of fact. It's

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Speaker 1: not even an opinion that at noticing fact noting that

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Speaker 1: for people inconvenient they demand absolute fealty. Only people like

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Speaker 1: me and a few others genuinely have no financial connection

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Speaker 1: and have the ability to speak. Can everybody else? They're done?

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Speaker 1: Even if you disagree, you have no idea. The messages

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Speaker 1: and all these other things that I get from people

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Speaker 1: who are either inside the administration or inside the blob

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Speaker 1: or whatever. They know. They know this is bullshit. They

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Speaker 1: can't say anything. So that's the reality of the situation

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Speaker 1: that we're living in. It's like two thousand and three

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Speaker 1: all over again. Yeah, you know, and there's a few

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Speaker 1: folks out there, but that's you know, the lone voice

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Speaker 1: is just like back in the day, I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be better, I really did. But you know, in

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Speaker 1: some cases, even the same people like Glenn, it's like

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Speaker 1: it's just the lone stallwart standing there a thwart a

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Speaker 1: lot of this bullshit. Everybody else they're just going along

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Speaker 1: for the run. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the climate, that climate has been encouraged and

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Speaker 2: fostered by first by the Biden administration, which also characterized

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Speaker 2: anyone who is pro Palestine as basically like you know,

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Speaker 2: fringe pro hamas, terror supporting, et cetera. And then that

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Speaker 2: has been codified and weaponized even more aggressively by the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration, which of course we've been tracking here, not

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Speaker 2: just with the arrest of Mackmood Khalil, but investigating the

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Speaker 2: Colombia protesters for terrorism, sending letters to sixty universities saying

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Speaker 2: that if you don't take these dramatic steps to combat

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Speaker 2: quote unquote anti Semitism, we're going to strip all your funding.

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Speaker 2: Stripping all of the funding from Colombia and claiming that

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Speaker 2: they didn't do enough to combat anti Semitism. They have

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Speaker 2: created and foster climate where any descent from the status

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Speaker 2: quo visa vi Israel equals your Prohamas equals your pro

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Speaker 2: terrorism and so then yeah, this is the domestic climate

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Speaker 2: and the foreign policy go hand and glove. You cannot

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Speaker 2: separate those two things. So if they wanted to take

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Speaker 2: a different course, if they wanted to let the Adam

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Speaker 2: Bowlers of the world be able to say, hey, we

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Speaker 2: got our own interests here, We're not an agent of Israel.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I understand why they didn't want

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Speaker 2: us to go to Gaza. I understand why they didn't

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Speaker 2: want us to talk to himas we might find out,

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Speaker 2: actually you can negotiate with them. Actually you know, they

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Speaker 2: you know, are human beings, not to say they're He

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Speaker 2: didn't say they're good guys. He said they might. You

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Speaker 2: might discover that they're actual human beings that you can

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Speaker 2: work with, et cetera. If you wanted to go in

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Speaker 2: that direction, you have to also have a different domestic

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Speaker 2: political climate and conversation, and that has been also in

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Speaker 2: recent weeks completely taken off the table and like I

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Speaker 2: said before, I mean the Biden administration also fostered that

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Speaker 2: same sort of sentiment. It's just been codified, weaponized, aggressively

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Speaker 2: enforced power, consolidated, dissent, crushed, First Amendment rights crushed under

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Speaker 2: this administration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the crazy part is actually pretty bipartisan. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about Schumer that in soon. That's

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Speaker 1: the leader of the Democratic Party in the United States Senate.

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Speaker 1: De facto agreement. There's some quibbles, you know on mak

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Speaker 1: muk Actually has Schumer said anything about Khalil?

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Speaker 2: I think I think Schumer put out one of these

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Speaker 2: long twenty paragraph statements, preamble about what a scumbag he is,

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Speaker 2: one ambiguous line at the end that's like, but maybe

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Speaker 2: the First Amendment. I think he's in that camp. But

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Speaker 2: that was certainly, whether it was him or other, that

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Speaker 2: was a lot of the vibe coming from Democratic.

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Speaker 1: Leadership host to bipartisanship. That's what it actually looks like

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Speaker 1: in Washington.