Speaker 1: Welcome to Outlow with Giano Caldwell. This is my twenty
Speaker 1: six episode, but I've been so blessed and honored to
Speaker 1: have shared twenty five episodes with you all of thus far.
Speaker 1: When I got this podcast and working with speaker New
Speaker 1: Gingrich and Debbie Meyers, my executive producers, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to expect. I've never had a platform like this before,
Speaker 1: but I was so honored that they chose me to
Speaker 1: give my voice two issues that I really care about
Speaker 1: that I'm very passionate about things that you wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 1: hear me say on the Fox News segment. I have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that here with you all week
Speaker 1: after week. So this week I want to do something
Speaker 1: very very special. I want to take you back to
Speaker 1: some of those very memorable moments that I've had with
Speaker 1: numerous individuals. As you know, I've had people like Herschel
Speaker 1: Walker on. I've had Dr drew On, I've had Treta Sheet,
Speaker 1: I've had Janice Dean, I've had my pastor, Dr Bill Winston.
Speaker 1: I've had a Lord Trump. I've had Daniel Cameron, the
Speaker 1: Attorney General from content Ucky talking about the Brianna Taylor case,
Speaker 1: I've had some really really really great guests, and on
Speaker 1: a number of occasions we've broke news. So this week
Speaker 1: I want to share with you some of these moments,
Speaker 1: and I want you to continue to listen and continue
Speaker 1: to take this ride with me, because without you, this
Speaker 1: show is absolutely nothing. Take a listen to the first
Speaker 1: clip with none other than herschel Walker, who was actually
Speaker 1: my first guest of the podcast outline with Giano Caldwell.
Speaker 1: So we're back and we got the great herschel Walker.
Speaker 1: Here's somebody who's been school and so many of us
Speaker 1: on what the values of just traditional values which I
Speaker 1: call conservative values have done for you for your family,
Speaker 1: which got you to where you are today, which I
Speaker 1: think is such an inspiring story. What what is it like?
Speaker 1: What are you see in with the political landscape today?
Speaker 1: In let me first say this. You know people got
Speaker 1: upset when I spoke at to convince you and I said, uh,
Speaker 1: I didn't just get in politics because I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a politician. ID just just said, oh man, I
Speaker 1: want to be in politics, or this is what's so
Speaker 1: interested to Donald Trump and just called herschel Walking and said, hersch,
Speaker 1: I want you to speak for me because you're my
Speaker 1: black friend. Well, I've been talking with President Trump for
Speaker 1: third or seven years, even when he was president, and
Speaker 1: I used to talk. Not one time has he ever
Speaker 1: asked herschel Walker to speak for him. But when I
Speaker 1: started seeing all those lives Ben told about him. When
Speaker 1: I started seeing all that stuff, Ben said that I
Speaker 1: knew that wasn't true. But I knew it. But yet
Speaker 1: this man never asked his black friend to speak for him.
Speaker 1: I said, I wanted to speak. I don't even think
Speaker 1: he knew I was gonna even do that, And I
Speaker 1: want to speak. I want to tell the people what
Speaker 1: I know about this man. This man cares about his family.
Speaker 1: A matter of fact. In Night five, I remember Donald
Speaker 1: Trump and myself and a reporter front of New York
Speaker 1: Times walking down the street. And I said to this reporter,
Speaker 1: as this man could be president of the United States
Speaker 1: of America in nineteen if I do. The reason, I
Speaker 1: said that is because he loved the United States South America.
Speaker 1: And I said, who should love in the United States
Speaker 1: of American more than your president of the United States
Speaker 1: South America. And I said, so, I'm confused what people
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna now be something different. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you the truth. You don't have to like it, but
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the truth. And then they brought me
Speaker 1: into politics, and I said, when you bring hershal walk
Speaker 1: into anything, you better be ready because what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do now is educate myself. So I started to educate myself.
Speaker 1: But I was educating myself before I came into politics,
Speaker 1: because one of the things I did is I started
Speaker 1: reading about the Democratic Party. I started reading about the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and I go, what are they doing for
Speaker 1: any black person? Not to be me? You know, like
Speaker 1: they kept me in slavery if they wanted to keep
Speaker 1: me there, But what are they doing? I said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be delivered out of slavery. About Jesus Christ, what
Speaker 1: are they doing for anyone? So I started, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: already out of it. So I was like, so they're
Speaker 1: trying to put me back. So as I started educating
Speaker 1: myself and so looking at the different policies and so
Speaker 1: looking at the different things. And I said, Hershel, what
Speaker 1: you know not that my eyes are open, But I said,
Speaker 1: you know all my life because I was black, And
Speaker 1: don't be honest, all my life because I was black.
Speaker 1: I thought I was democratic. I did. I thought, Oh no,
Speaker 1: no one ever told men. I just grew up because
Speaker 1: I heard people talk about it. You didn't know the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You know, in my neighborhood. I'm in the country. So
Speaker 1: the next house next to me about five miles away.
Speaker 1: It ain't like I can go next to a ring
Speaker 1: the doorbell. So I just heard that we were a Democrat.
Speaker 1: So you know, you always thought that. So I didn't
Speaker 1: know any better. Well, when I started educating myself, I
Speaker 1: was a wonder man. And why don't I learn who's
Speaker 1: best for the job, who is gonna benefit what I
Speaker 1: believe in. So as I was learning this, I said,
Speaker 1: while this part over here seemed to be the one
Speaker 1: that on the same track with what I believe in
Speaker 1: and what I think this country should be. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just about herschel Walker, because it's not about me as
Speaker 1: an individual. It's about this country. Because when you have kids,
Speaker 1: it ain't about you any more. Was about your child.
Speaker 1: Because my father was an African American may my mom
Speaker 1: is an African American woman. My father educated his son
Speaker 1: to make the next step into making this country better.
Speaker 1: Because my father to had the great things first, walk ahead.
Speaker 1: He worked his tail off and put me into position
Speaker 1: that now I could help my son to have something
Speaker 1: better than me. Well, if I vote Democrat, I can
Speaker 1: tell what he's hot. This is under truth. I've seen
Speaker 1: this now, I meant Washington, I've seen what they believe in.
Speaker 1: I've seen what they do. You see the chaos going
Speaker 1: on today. They don't even talk about one of the
Speaker 1: worst things that happened to me. The reason I jumped
Speaker 1: up out of my seat and I got angry is
Speaker 1: when I saw a BLM sign held up by a
Speaker 1: young kid and he's burning a wholely Bible, burnard his
Speaker 1: flag and burning across And I said, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not the country that I grew up in. That's
Speaker 1: not the aren't you I want to be in. That's
Speaker 1: not the country I want my son to grow up in.
Speaker 1: That's not the country I'm gonna fightful. So they gotta go.
Speaker 1: So I started looking up all this BLM stuff and
Speaker 1: I was told a shock and I started looking at that,
Speaker 1: and they said, guys, you want to get hershelwork in politics.
Speaker 1: That's your fault. It's not my fault. Because I started
Speaker 1: educating my set, but educating myself. I started studying BLM,
Speaker 1: and then I started getting upset because I see all
Speaker 1: these companies giving all this money to this company that
Speaker 1: wanted to destroy the African American family, but yet they
Speaker 1: haven't been held accountable. And I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: they're more racist about giving money to someone without knowing
Speaker 1: who they're giving the money to. But you saw, like
Speaker 1: you know, you don't what I'm talking about. You go
Speaker 1: to church, you go out on Friday night and you
Speaker 1: parted like a wild part of like the nineteen nine
Speaker 1: and nine and then all that. Yeah, and all I'm
Speaker 1: saying on sudden as you go to church and you
Speaker 1: pay your ties and on money and you go out
Speaker 1: and do the same. Yeah, you think that because you're
Speaker 1: paying your ties, that all that is forgiven. But that
Speaker 1: being the hell of account That's what I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you. Do you think that there's a true distinction
Speaker 1: between a group that's a clear organization that founders have
Speaker 1: been training Marxism. We understand that against the nuclear family,
Speaker 1: all the things that as conservatives we would naturally oppose,
Speaker 1: not because of the politics of it per se, It's
Speaker 1: more of the ideology of we're pro family, were pro business,
Speaker 1: with pro all these good things and a lot of
Speaker 1: the things that they stand for. Clearly, if you're saying
Speaker 1: it's okay to Luton riot and its reparations, that's a problem.
Speaker 1: But then there's a group of folks that are young
Speaker 1: who are saying we're against police brutality and racism. Do
Speaker 1: you see the clear distinction between the two, And to
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm telling no, I don't, and limited the
Speaker 1: reason why BLM and the organization don't have an office
Speaker 1: that I know. I've never seen them give us sent
Speaker 1: to colleges. I never seen them give a dime to
Speaker 1: build a school. I never seen him give a cent
Speaker 1: to black businesses. I never seen them give any money.
Speaker 1: Unless they have, they haven't shown the Herschel walker and
Speaker 1: that's my fault. Build in Black lives matter. Well, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, remember earlier I said that any pastor,
Speaker 1: our bishop, or any man of God is preaching separation,
Speaker 1: which is black lives matter. I can't go for that
Speaker 1: because in God's eyes, all lives matter. And what I
Speaker 1: mean by that is why are we separating people today?
Speaker 1: And one thing that's weird is Why do I have
Speaker 1: to be a colored man rather than a maze? Why
Speaker 1: do I have to be in an Africa American rather
Speaker 1: than just an American? So why are we not saying
Speaker 1: this American? And you know, I go back to I
Speaker 1: was in a talk with a couple of players, you know,
Speaker 1: athletes called me today sometime some of them do still
Speaker 1: like men. So I was having one the other day.
Speaker 1: He said, uhrcial, uh, the president, what has he done
Speaker 1: for African American? As I started running that down for him,
Speaker 1: I spid a minute, wait a minute, and I stopped
Speaker 1: running it down. I said, why are we worried about
Speaker 1: what the president has done for Black's He did not
Speaker 1: do that for black to get no votes. He did
Speaker 1: it because it was the right thing to do, because
Speaker 1: it was dumb by no one else. Remember when he
Speaker 1: did this, it wasn't about no election. He did because
Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do for African American
Speaker 1: and it just so happened that no one else in
Speaker 1: the past I did it. Yeah, let me ask you
Speaker 1: this question, because a lot of folks have said that
Speaker 1: President Trump is a racist. Clearly you've gone out to
Speaker 1: the r n C and said that that's not true,
Speaker 1: you based on your personal relationship. But the question is
Speaker 1: do you think that people should be offended by some
Speaker 1: of the things you said, like when he said, excuse
Speaker 1: my language should hold countries or any of these other things,
Speaker 1: like people get offended by what he says. And I'm
Speaker 1: against PC culture all day. This show as a sworn
Speaker 1: enemy of the politically correct culture where you can't just
Speaker 1: speak your mind and say things. And you know him
Speaker 1: to be, from your personal view, not a racist, and
Speaker 1: clearly he wasn't before he ran for president. Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: gave him an award. But do you think that there's
Speaker 1: some things that he said that people can rightfully be
Speaker 1: offended and say, you know what, that was racist or
Speaker 1: that was wrong. Let me tell you what's so funny.
Speaker 1: This man is so far from being a racist than anyone.
Speaker 1: And I remember, I know racism just by listening to
Speaker 1: some of the guys today. If they don't like this president,
Speaker 1: they don't like this president. So everything he does is wrong.
Speaker 1: He on on The Apprentice he said this here, It's like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? It's like, what is this
Speaker 1: man doing for this country? One of the most strongest
Speaker 1: thing I've seen you this guy just signed a peace
Speaker 1: treated There's something that I haven't been done. And you
Speaker 1: already said Obama did some peace treatise. I said he did.
Speaker 1: This guy is the the greatest guy to be president
Speaker 1: for the United States for right now. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: four years after this he may not be I don't know.
Speaker 1: Someone may come up that may be better. But for
Speaker 1: right now, for the next four years, Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: a man that need to be president. I heard sentim
Speaker 1: to Harris called Biden a racist. I heard her in
Speaker 1: the debate said he wasn't prepared and fit to be
Speaker 1: president of the United States. So why is she now
Speaker 1: promoting and to be president of the United States is America?
Speaker 1: You know. I also heard David won in a debate
Speaker 1: everyone in a debate almost saying he wasn't fit to
Speaker 1: be president of the United States, but not as supporting
Speaker 1: it the most powerful man in the country. You're supporting
Speaker 1: a guy that I heard you earlier on said he
Speaker 1: wasn't ready or prepared, and after four to seven years
Speaker 1: he's shown what he is. We have to take a
Speaker 1: quick break, but when we come back, I want you
Speaker 1: to listen to this interview with Jannisteen, who lost her
Speaker 1: two in laws and a nursing home in New York
Speaker 1: City due to the government comos executive order stay right there.
Speaker 1: In the responses report, which was interesting to me to
Speaker 1: hear from the governor, he was incredibly defensive. During a
Speaker 1: press conference, he dismissed his critics as politically motivated and
Speaker 1: said this exact quote, who cares whether thirty or died
Speaker 1: in the hospital, died in a nursing home. They died.
Speaker 1: How callous can you be to make a statement like that.
Speaker 1: That's him, That's that's him. Unfortunately, I've covered him for
Speaker 1: ten months now, and he he just has no empathy.
Speaker 1: I actually think it's a personality defect. I know that
Speaker 1: sounds that might sound callous, but I do think that's
Speaker 1: part of his personality. He doesn't He isn't able to
Speaker 1: have any empathy at all for the families. If he
Speaker 1: had come out in the very beginning and said, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for your loss. I made a mistake. I got
Speaker 1: bad information. I shouldn't have put those patients into nursing homes.
Speaker 1: I feel so bad. Um, we wouldn't be here today.
Speaker 1: I would have accepted that. Had he said, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a hundred year pandemic and
Speaker 1: no one saw this coming. And I am so sorry
Speaker 1: for your loss. Had he done that, but he's not
Speaker 1: capable of doing that, um. And so you know my responses.
Speaker 1: I always assumed he really really didn't care about our families,
Speaker 1: and now with that response, I'm sure of that. And
Speaker 1: tragically both your in laws dot in New York nursing
Speaker 1: homes from the coronavirus last year. I was hoping you
Speaker 1: could take us back to that day and just describe
Speaker 1: what that tom was like for you and your husband
Speaker 1: on the personal level, if you're comfortable doing so, of course,
Speaker 1: I mean it's very difficult, but I will tell you
Speaker 1: I feel like it was his parents, my husband's parents
Speaker 1: making Indeed, that gave me the strength to continue, because
Speaker 1: there were many times where I just thought, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to win this fight. He's too powerful and he
Speaker 1: has too many people protecting him. You know. I felt
Speaker 1: sometimes like I was this little aunt with the bolder
Speaker 1: going up the mountain, and they were great, wonderful people. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, I feel for people like my husband
Speaker 1: and I, who for many months didn't know how to
Speaker 1: care for his parents properly. They were in a four
Speaker 1: story walk up in Brooklyn for you know, over fifty years.
Speaker 1: And their health was failing them. And you know, my
Speaker 1: husband had aids that would go in to try to
Speaker 1: take care of them, but there were still trips to
Speaker 1: the e er and trips to the hospital. So there
Speaker 1: are many months of trying to come up with a
Speaker 1: way that we can take care of them and have
Speaker 1: twenty four hour care. And Sean's dad had dementia and
Speaker 1: he his health was failing him. His mom had trouble walking,
Speaker 1: but her mind was spry. I mean she you know,
Speaker 1: every day he talked to her, sometimes two or three
Speaker 1: times a day. She was just this wonderful, wonderful woman. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they both needed care. So we had to
Speaker 1: get his dad first in better shape to join his
Speaker 1: mom and assisted living facility which was close to us
Speaker 1: on Long Island, so that we could go visit them,
Speaker 1: bring the family, um, and that was the plan. So
Speaker 1: Mickey was in a nursing home for rehab to get
Speaker 1: him in better health to join his wife. D And
Speaker 1: coronavirus came in shortly after that and we were in quarantine. Um,
Speaker 1: we weren't able to see them. We didn't even know
Speaker 1: his father was sick until a Saturday morning in late
Speaker 1: March when we got a call saying he wasn't feeling
Speaker 1: well and he had a fever, and and then three
Speaker 1: hours later we got a call saying he had died.
Speaker 1: So we had we had no idea he was ill.
Speaker 1: And I remember getting a phone call a week or
Speaker 1: two before he got sick saying that he was going
Speaker 1: to be moved to another floor to allow more to
Speaker 1: allow more UH people in, to allow more people to
Speaker 1: come into the nursing home. And so that was a
Speaker 1: red flag for me, especially when I started to find
Speaker 1: out about the governor's mandate to put infected patients into
Speaker 1: nursing homes. So his dad, we lost his dad first,
Speaker 1: and then my husband had to tell his mom about
Speaker 1: his dad passing away. That was the hardest thing he
Speaker 1: ever had to do. And she got sick and was
Speaker 1: transported to the hospital and she was diagnosed with COVID
Speaker 1: and she died shortly after being transported to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and her number didn't count because the governor didn't count
Speaker 1: those who got COVID in their elder care facilities but
Speaker 1: died in the hospital. So that's what I've been fighting
Speaker 1: for That's what I have been vocal about is the
Speaker 1: two things the COVID positive patients in the nursing homes
Speaker 1: for forty six days because of the governor's executive order
Speaker 1: and the fact that he wasn't counting those that died
Speaker 1: in the hospital. And so the release of the a
Speaker 1: G report last week helped bring some of those answers.
Speaker 1: So again we see a governor who was looking to
Speaker 1: manipulate the situation in his favor. Meanwhile your family and
Speaker 1: many other families and pretty much suffered the consequences. You know,
Speaker 1: this is this is such a tough interview because it's
Speaker 1: such a serious subject matter, and as one where you
Speaker 1: have an official who's in power, who's decision making, and
Speaker 1: still impacting the lives of thousands of people, millions actually
Speaker 1: in New York State. And it's just troubling that there's
Speaker 1: been no apology, there's been no confession. Um in fact,
Speaker 1: he's tried to say that he's pretty much been a
Speaker 1: hero in a way. And I'm kind of confused about
Speaker 1: what was the initial reasoning for this executive order as
Speaker 1: you understand it, do you know what the rationale was
Speaker 1: to send COVID patients was at the idea to prevent
Speaker 1: hospitals from me and overcrowded with COVID patients. Uh, what
Speaker 1: was it? Do you know? We don't. Um, And that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I think we have to
Speaker 1: have an investigation. So, you know, the excuse is they
Speaker 1: didn't want to overwhelm the hospitals, that they had to
Speaker 1: put these COVID positive patients somewhere, and that they thought
Speaker 1: the nursing homes would have the you know, the proper
Speaker 1: facilities to do that, the proper equipment to do that.
Speaker 1: And as it turns out, they didn't, and they weren't
Speaker 1: allowed to test the patients coming in. They didn't want
Speaker 1: to discriminate against the patients. It actually says in the
Speaker 1: order you you you don't you don't test these people.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to accept them. And the nursing
Speaker 1: home owner owners and the operators that I've spoken with
Speaker 1: always thought that they could not turn them away. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the governor likes to say, well, it was based
Speaker 1: on it was you know, the federal government, it was
Speaker 1: the CDC and that and that's pretty much been proven wrong. Um.
Speaker 1: We had the comfort Ship, we had the JABBT Center,
Speaker 1: and we had other makeshift hospitals that taxpayers spent millions
Speaker 1: of dollars on to put patients in. And my question
Speaker 1: has always been why weren't they used for the overflow
Speaker 1: of COVID positive patients instead of putting them into nursing homes.
Speaker 1: There was a Wall Street Journal report that was issued
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago that said that Cuomo was
Speaker 1: told by one of his hospital lobbyists, who's a good
Speaker 1: friend of his and who has given millions of dollars
Speaker 1: to his campaign, that he was the one who suggested
Speaker 1: to put the patients into nursing homes. So this is,
Speaker 1: you know, this is bigger than all of us, To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, UM, I really think that there
Speaker 1: is a money trail, there's corruption. Um. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm only one person, and you know I can't. I
Speaker 1: would love to be spend all of my time trying
Speaker 1: to find these answers. Um. But but that's you know,
Speaker 1: that's where I hope this opens up doors to further investigations,
Speaker 1: to find truth and to help those families feel like
Speaker 1: there is closure. We we never had a Waker funeral,
Speaker 1: and we're Catholic, we never had last rites. My husband
Speaker 1: never saw his parents at the He was called when
Speaker 1: his mom was in the hospital. She died in the
Speaker 1: hospital and he was told she he could go see
Speaker 1: her when she had passed away in a room in
Speaker 1: a hospital. Jans, it's terrible, I know it is. It's terrible. Wow.
Speaker 1: Oh jeez, you're a good man, you know. Thank you.
Speaker 1: But I'm so sorry. I really am. I'm really so
Speaker 1: I know you are. And that means everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, that's all we wanted. We just wanted an
Speaker 1: apology or something. We never we never got it, you know,
Speaker 1: we never got it from him. For the administration, you know,
Speaker 1: they just continue to blame others and he still continues
Speaker 1: to do that. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation
Speaker 1: that I had with Janice Dean. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: you can tell. I was moved to tears listening to
Speaker 1: her retail the story of her in laws going into
Speaker 1: a nursing home and dying based on Governor Andrew Culmo's
Speaker 1: executive order on nursing homes. Thankfully, she's finally getting justice.
Speaker 1: I want you to stay right there, because when I
Speaker 1: come back from break, I'll be talking to television personality
Speaker 1: doctor true about my personal life, something that was actually
Speaker 1: something I was very, very ashamed of for many many years,
Speaker 1: and he diagnosed me live on the podcast Stay right There,
Speaker 1: Don't Go Anywhere. I think about a scenario that took
Speaker 1: place in my life some years ago, and you you
Speaker 1: know about this personally. So about seven years ago, almost
Speaker 1: eight years ago, I've been single, and I've been single
Speaker 1: because I had fell in love with a young lady
Speaker 1: who was outstandingly beautiful. She seemingly was very into God
Speaker 1: and church, and spent a great deal of time together
Speaker 1: because I I want a woman that to believe her
Speaker 1: Christian and she was very hungry to improve herself, and
Speaker 1: we spent a great deal of time together and things
Speaker 1: just begin to feel very unsettled, and I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out what was going on why it felt so unsettled.
Speaker 1: So I ended up getting onto her smartphone somehow and
Speaker 1: and being able to see the contents of it while
Speaker 1: I was away on a business trip. And what I
Speaker 1: discovered is this woman was a secret escort and she
Speaker 1: was dealing with some of the most powerful people in
Speaker 1: the country. And as you can imagine, I was completely
Speaker 1: and totally heartbroken. I couldn't trust anyone. I couldn't trust
Speaker 1: any woman. But in that case, I just couldn't figure
Speaker 1: out what to do until I went to counseling and
Speaker 1: things became better, because at one point it seemed like
Speaker 1: I was just kind of pushing all the attention away
Speaker 1: for me, you know, women who wanted to date me
Speaker 1: and women that I was actually I found attractive, but
Speaker 1: I was kind of pushing it away. And I began
Speaker 1: to feel and think was I a commitment folde? And
Speaker 1: I come to the realization that I'm not a commitment
Speaker 1: fold but the very real possibility of me becoming one,
Speaker 1: I think was present. Well, what what happens again, This
Speaker 1: is sort of the typical pattern is that people with
Speaker 1: that I mean first starts of all, you you avoiding
Speaker 1: intimacy at that point with sort of a self preservation
Speaker 1: movement as a reasonable thing. But what happens is the
Speaker 1: typical pattern is that people will sabotage real relationships or
Speaker 1: just not be interested in them and have lightning bolts
Speaker 1: for these people that they shouldn't be involved with, and
Speaker 1: then get re traumatized by them re traumatized and you
Speaker 1: you see that in relationships romantic and other relationships. The
Speaker 1: love line was, the love line was every call was,
Speaker 1: you know, pointing out these patterns to people. So so
Speaker 1: the recommendation from you for people who have dealt with
Speaker 1: those very dramatic situations is to go get with the
Speaker 1: therapist and you can be here. Recommendation is to take
Speaker 1: yourself by the hand and see if you what it's
Speaker 1: like to get involved with somebody that you don't have
Speaker 1: an intense attraction for that you just have sort of
Speaker 1: a mild attraction for again, butterflies, not lightning bolts, And
Speaker 1: see what that relationship feels like. And if you sabotage
Speaker 1: it or get bored with it, or pull away from it,
Speaker 1: you have your answer, because then that's that could have
Speaker 1: been a relationship that you are sabotaging and you can't tolerate.
Speaker 1: You have an intimacy disorder at that point, and that
Speaker 1: needs to be treated. It can be treated quite readily. Intimacy.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing you said, just a mild attraction to.
Speaker 1: Aren't we you all looking for the best looking person
Speaker 1: and as the best qualities we can be attracted to,
Speaker 1: not necessarily I mean, and by the way, that means
Speaker 1: very different things to different people, and so you know,
Speaker 1: it's you'd be surprised as you do this work, what
Speaker 1: you're attracted to changes markedly. Can you tell us about
Speaker 1: one of these cases you experienced. It was a tough
Speaker 1: case and you you ended up getting the person on
Speaker 1: the right track. Well, I mean the one that thing
Speaker 1: people can can watch is um we in the Sex
Speaker 1: Addiction show. It's funny that we're talking about. That show
Speaker 1: was just one of the shows we did. But we
Speaker 1: treated a porn star. Her name in the porn industry
Speaker 1: was Penny Flame we knew, or Jennifer Ketchum. And what
Speaker 1: you will see is and she came in. She had
Speaker 1: no intention of getting treatment. It turned out she had
Speaker 1: a dit. She had all kinds of stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and she didn't really realize any of it. But we
Speaker 1: got through to her right away by calling her Jennifer.
Speaker 1: Jenny no one had called. They've been calling her Penny
Speaker 1: for the last ten years, and this was a pseudo
Speaker 1: self that she was living in and we just cut
Speaker 1: through that and said no, I want to I want
Speaker 1: to use know Jennifer, And she started dropping some of
Speaker 1: the bullshit and you will see her go through the
Speaker 1: process of really sex addiction treatment at that point, but
Speaker 1: ultimately stayed with therapy for quite some time after we
Speaker 1: did the acute treatment, realized she had a cocaine and
Speaker 1: cannabis problem also and got into recovery from that. And
Speaker 1: now she is a really talented social worker, married with
Speaker 1: a kid. Wow, social worker. Yeah, her therapist, she's a therapist,
Speaker 1: and she has a child that she has a stable
Speaker 1: relationship with, somebody she loves. And she had severe intimacy problems,
Speaker 1: severe and lots of similar trauma as to what you're describing.
Speaker 1: Lots of stuff with the dad with cocaine and the
Speaker 1: mom abandoning the kids and the whole thing. Usual stuff
Speaker 1: are These are common stories that we have to get
Speaker 1: much more realistic about their impact. And how long did
Speaker 1: it take for her to get on track to to
Speaker 1: that degree? It was the years? Was it was years?
Speaker 1: I mean it was years, but it wasn't decades. I
Speaker 1: mean it en't of a decade. She was a social worker,
Speaker 1: you know, and she I'd say, i'd say five to
Speaker 1: seven years. She was well in hand. She was well
Speaker 1: in hand. Wow. Okay, well switching gears because I know
Speaker 1: you you you have to get out of here shortly.
Speaker 1: The show wouldn't be complete without at least gazing the
Speaker 1: field of politics. What is your impression of the outcome
Speaker 1: of the election in the current state of things, I
Speaker 1: am my my My fundamental position when I just examine
Speaker 1: my feelings are that I'm I'm tired. I'm just so
Speaker 1: tired of the weird negativity and the Trump derangement syndrome.
Speaker 1: And I'm just so tired tired. Mr Trump makes me
Speaker 1: tired to some of the things he played. You're not
Speaker 1: the only one, but so so. I'm happy to see
Speaker 1: things settled down. How they settle down. I almost don't
Speaker 1: have a I don't have an opinion. I'm just glad
Speaker 1: they're settling down. We've exposed some things about ourselves in
Speaker 1: the process of all this, and we did take a
Speaker 1: very good look at ourselves. We've been behaving like the
Speaker 1: mobs during the French Revolution. There's a certain I'm gonna
Speaker 1: reread I just got out of affect them in the
Speaker 1: room where I'm gonna pull the book out right now,
Speaker 1: Notes from the Underground by Dostoevsky, because everyone has become
Speaker 1: like that main character in that, in that, in that,
Speaker 1: in that novel, And I'm wondering what that means. We
Speaker 1: have to start, you know, this is pertinent to this conversation.
Speaker 1: We have to become empathic. We have to stop acting
Speaker 1: out envy. We we have to change because it's we're
Speaker 1: behaving like the mobs during the French Revolution and pulling
Speaker 1: out the guillotines for every little thing that it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And so we'll see and you think that trump the
Speaker 1: arrangement syndrome, that that that And I was going to
Speaker 1: ask you about that, but that's like a a real thing.
Speaker 1: For it's not a ds M five, you know, outgory,
Speaker 1: but a boy. You sure see it everywhere. And because
Speaker 1: I don't have it, I don't have any I'm a
Speaker 1: very middle of the road moderate if if anything, I
Speaker 1: lean libertarian. But I see the craziness on both sides,
Speaker 1: and so it's really easy for me to call it
Speaker 1: out because I see it, I see it operating. It's
Speaker 1: like you're this is any these it's it's what we
Speaker 1: used to call neuroticism. We have to we have to
Speaker 1: we have to get much more critical in our thoughts.
Speaker 1: We have to recognize envy where it's corrosive. We have
Speaker 1: to be more empathic and we have to be more
Speaker 1: thoughtful and not so hysterical. I mean, look, with the
Speaker 1: COVID thing is another part of that. We started talking
Speaker 1: about that. That's another that's another derangement syndrome that we have.
Speaker 1: And uh, it needs to change. We need to change.
Speaker 1: We need to get ahold of ourselves and we need
Speaker 1: to you know, go back to the golden rule, go
Speaker 1: back to communities, go back to our family and relationships
Speaker 1: and all the good stuff you and I were talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, we need to function better in our relationships.
Speaker 1: And if we have trauma and it's been delivered to it.
Speaker 1: I've had trauma for my parents. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of intergenerational trauma. You know, my family escaped the
Speaker 1: Ukrainian genocide and uh, and that stuff gets transmitted to you.
Speaker 1: It just gets through to you and you have to
Speaker 1: be aware of it and you have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: And on a final note from Dr Drew, have more
Speaker 1: empathy and I appreciate that. And for folks who may
Speaker 1: be interested in knowing my mom is doing well. She's
Speaker 1: no longer on drugs and she now works in the
Speaker 1: in the health care field, caring for people who were
Speaker 1: in similar situations like her, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: the kind of people that I keeps me working every day.
Speaker 1: These recoveries are miraculous, but you have to recover too.
Speaker 1: She was very sick when you were a child, and
Speaker 1: that illness not your mom, the illness had an impact
Speaker 1: on you. Well. I look forward to doing counseling sessions
Speaker 1: with you, doctor we end up writing together. As we've this,
Speaker 1: I'll pull the curtain back a little bit. We've talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about. Trust me, those are extremely emotion
Speaker 1: very therapeutic sessions when we really get deep into writing
Speaker 1: the writing process. Listen, I'm all game, and I want
Speaker 1: to thank you so much for coming on out loud
Speaker 1: with Giano call aswell, and we certainly appreciate your very
Speaker 1: logical and research based opinion. No conspiracy theories here. So
Speaker 1: for folks who may want to listen to this, you
Speaker 1: know you've got folks. We got democrats that listen. In
Speaker 1: some left wing publications, they love to drum up some
Speaker 1: some hate. So for those who are listening this fact base,
Speaker 1: I am conversation or something I said, here's my approach.
Speaker 1: If I stepped on a landline somewhere, please help me
Speaker 1: do a better job. I want to do better, and
Speaker 1: if if my mind needs to be changed about something,
Speaker 1: I want my mind to be changed. I don't want
Speaker 1: to sit in a silo and here an echo. I
Speaker 1: would love to grow and expand my view of things.
Speaker 1: So please, if anybody takes issue with any of these
Speaker 1: things I love, but but don't, don't use envy and
Speaker 1: aggression as a way of feeding back. Just give me
Speaker 1: the feedback and that will change my mind. You know,
Speaker 1: we say to our kids, I can't hear you when
Speaker 1: you talk like that. It's hard to hear people when
Speaker 1: they're being aggressive and envious. Just just just tell me
Speaker 1: how I could do a better job, and I'm all
Speaker 1: for it, Doctor Drew, everyone is when we have the collapse.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, I hope you learned something from that
Speaker 1: conversation I had with doctor Drew about my personal life,
Speaker 1: as one that I talked about in my book Taking
Speaker 1: for Granted. Now, it is my great honor to introduce
Speaker 1: my pastor, Dr Bill Winston of Living Where, a Christian
Speaker 1: center in Forest Park, Illinois. He's someone who has helped
Speaker 1: me greatly throughout my life and one in which I
Speaker 1: had to share on the podcast, because he has so
Speaker 1: much wisdom about life and faith and God and certainly
Speaker 1: how to move to the next level in business or
Speaker 1: personal development. Well, I'm super super excited about having you
Speaker 1: on Dr Bill Winston. I've been a part of your
Speaker 1: ministry since two thousand and five. I remember coming into
Speaker 1: the church and what that experien was like. And more importantly,
Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw you on television and
Speaker 1: had dynamic you were. And I must say that you've
Speaker 1: made an incredible impression upon my life. You've influenced a
Speaker 1: lot of my decisions, and you've been a mentor to
Speaker 1: me since two thousand and five without me even knowing
Speaker 1: you personally. But of course I know you personally now.
Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for joining us today,
Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be a blessing for
Speaker 1: all to hear you. It is my privilege. Gian I
Speaker 1: thank you. I thank you so much. So for those
Speaker 1: listening who may not know much about you, let's start
Speaker 1: with your early life and your personal journey. You were
Speaker 1: born in Tuskegee, Alabama. What was it like growing up
Speaker 1: in Alabama during the age of um This is most
Speaker 1: of our parents were Tuskey, German and so the legacy
Speaker 1: of that was very present in the Tuskegee area. And
Speaker 1: so Tuskege itself small town, but but at a big legacy.
Speaker 1: Had Tuskey German and also had the sixth the largest
Speaker 1: view hospital in the in the country. And so because
Speaker 1: of that segregation in that time, you have most of
Speaker 1: the physicians who African American came to do their internship
Speaker 1: and so forth at the VA Hospital in Tuskegee. And
Speaker 1: also you had the university, which look at the Washington
Speaker 1: founded in and that had the professors and so forth
Speaker 1: and so on. So you had these three professions there.
Speaker 1: So when I look at my life growing up, I
Speaker 1: went to the school at elementary school, which is a
Speaker 1: lab school of the university, and we had to visit
Speaker 1: Carbon Museum once a year. We had French in the
Speaker 1: third grade, we had all of us had by the
Speaker 1: fourth grade, we had carpentry and we had all this.
Speaker 1: We had to have made a lamp and so forth,
Speaker 1: and so they were grooming us really for leadership. Just
Speaker 1: about everybody, myself and Lionel, Richie and wherever else grew
Speaker 1: up with us, the universe. Everybody grew up We're going
Speaker 1: to save so all of us. We had something in
Speaker 1: us and that's a lot of times how people see
Speaker 1: themselves as the way other people see them. And so
Speaker 1: we all were taught really that we weren't missing anything.
Speaker 1: So I wasn't eager to integrate because we had everything
Speaker 1: and we were taught things that that Normally most of
Speaker 1: the people who finish elementary school with me went away
Speaker 1: to boarding schools in the north and so forth. I
Speaker 1: had to say, uh, they're at Tuskegee High School because
Speaker 1: the dad said he didn't have that kind of money,
Speaker 1: and so I stayed there and so but growing up
Speaker 1: there was really experience. But what it did it worked
Speaker 1: on my esteem, which is I think you know eighty
Speaker 1: of what somebody can do and perform and how they
Speaker 1: can see themselves. So that was the foundation of it.
Speaker 1: I've finished undergraded Tuskegeeon ended up going to r OCC
Speaker 1: and flying fighters and that was a background of that. Wow,
Speaker 1: and you talk a lot about your military service, and
Speaker 1: we we certainly honor and thank you for your service
Speaker 1: to this great country. I'm really intrigued to know, especially
Speaker 1: knowing the kind of man that you are, how is
Speaker 1: that experience being in the military at such an interesting
Speaker 1: time and fighting and flying fighter as a fireplan. A
Speaker 1: couple of things about that one is that it would
Speaker 1: it did it pull on a potential in me that
Speaker 1: I never knew I had. And the word potential means
Speaker 1: hidden abilities. And what happens is people don't want to
Speaker 1: make a step because they don't think they will succeed
Speaker 1: or whatever have you, but not knowing of what has
Speaker 1: been placed in them. Every one of us has a gift.
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what country you are,
Speaker 1: You've got a gift. And a gift will make room
Speaker 1: for you. The Bible didn't say your education, would it
Speaker 1: say your gift? Would it will make room for you
Speaker 1: and bring before great men, not down on education. But
Speaker 1: what I did is is I had to fly and compete.
Speaker 1: And that's where you go to pilot training. Where I
Speaker 1: went in uh San Antonio, Texas at Randolph Air Force Space.
Speaker 1: But when I got there, I had thirty and other
Speaker 1: students in the classes coming from universities, and we had
Speaker 1: to learn progressively that we could do things that we
Speaker 1: never thought we could do. And he started that a
Speaker 1: little light airplane that had a propeller, and you progress
Speaker 1: right on up and to the supersonic jets and then
Speaker 1: you've got your assignment. And I ended up going to
Speaker 1: war and so forth and fawn and a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't know it, but I wrote the op ed
Speaker 1: on this that you can go and be in the
Speaker 1: military inside of war without hating. They think you have
Speaker 1: to hate to be on the other side, but you don't.
Speaker 1: And um that it was a military experience that I had,
Speaker 1: and I have been trained there in leadership and leading
Speaker 1: a flight and so forth. Now that means you've got
Speaker 1: to be making decisions on the split second, and you
Speaker 1: just have to develop some leadership qualities that that I
Speaker 1: didn't even know I had in me. So I wrote
Speaker 1: that book on Spirit of Leadership. The name is Spirit
Speaker 1: of Leadership, that everybody's a leader first of all, and
Speaker 1: that all leadership is spiritual. So as I developed that,
Speaker 1: it really taught me how to lead. So when I
Speaker 1: came out of the military and went to work for IDM,
Speaker 1: that I was in training for a year in each
Speaker 1: one of those class had four schools I had to
Speaker 1: go to, and three of those schools they didn't even
Speaker 1: know me, but they wanted me to be the president
Speaker 1: of the class. And so for now. I didn't choose this.
Speaker 1: I didn't. They come from all kinds of schools, either league,
Speaker 1: universities and so forth. But I think leadership qualities can
Speaker 1: be detected. I think people can sent them and so forth.
Speaker 1: It's interesting how the Bible says the blind leaders of
Speaker 1: the blind, meaning that they have no vision. And I
Speaker 1: think one of the real qualities of it is vision.
Speaker 1: Book at the Washington had vision, George Washington Carver had
Speaker 1: fish and and because of it they could leave people
Speaker 1: and expand and so forth. And one so Tuskegee, the
Speaker 1: growing up there, the legacy of that, I think part
Speaker 1: of that book at the Washington, legacy of educating people
Speaker 1: and so forth, and teaching. I think that's still on
Speaker 1: me right now. You know, you've mentioned something which I think,
Speaker 1: uh shows great parallels to where we are today when
Speaker 1: you talked about you being in the military and you
Speaker 1: you're fighting against the enemy, but yet still not hating someone.
Speaker 1: And now we're in an environment of our politics where
Speaker 1: it's you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're an inependent progressive,
Speaker 1: you're a libertarian, and everybody's fighting against each other. Ever,
Speaker 1: everybody hating each other. You look at social media and
Speaker 1: you see nothing but hateful comments coming on all sides.
Speaker 1: Can you go into why you think that is? Well?
Speaker 1: I think that's part of the results of Adam and
Speaker 1: Eves fall in the garden. I think that they got
Speaker 1: into selfishness and and I think many times hate is
Speaker 1: rooted in fear and selfishness, and love is just the opposite.
Speaker 1: It's a product of faith. And so I remember when
Speaker 1: I was in IBM, and I was now turning the
Speaker 1: corner and kind of doing well in my sales and computers,
Speaker 1: and my boss called me in. Boss's boss who happened
Speaker 1: to be African American. He was he was trained by
Speaker 1: in the chairman's office, and at that time he had
Speaker 1: two branch managers in the United States and and one
Speaker 1: without the West Coast, and one was in Chicago, which
Speaker 1: was my boss's boss. And he called me and they Billy,
Speaker 1: why don't you come on in. Let's see what you do.
Speaker 1: How you doing on your accounts? So I came to
Speaker 1: start talking to him, and then I was talking to
Speaker 1: him about my accounts and and I said, now this
Speaker 1: account this CEO here, I think he's kind of an idiot.
Speaker 1: And he so forth. He said, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't say that, I said, sir. He said,
Speaker 1: don't ever do that. That's what he said, call him
Speaker 1: a name like that. I said, well, you know we're
Speaker 1: behind closed doors. He said, no, No, If you call
Speaker 1: him that long enough, you'll believe it. And if you
Speaker 1: believe it, you'll treat him like that. And IBM does
Speaker 1: not treat its customers like that. I never forgot that.
Speaker 1: You see, you can be on the opposite side and
Speaker 1: not hate, because hate takes you to a whole another level.
Speaker 1: And their fruit to hate, there's a fruit to actually
Speaker 1: doing that to your neighbor. And the op ed I
Speaker 1: just read and sent over to you, it's on this
Speaker 1: thing called the man who went from his this good Samaritan,
Speaker 1: he went from his place, and next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: he fell into some need, and and three religious to
Speaker 1: religious people passed by him. And and then one man
Speaker 1: who was a Samaritan who was rejected, he came by,
Speaker 1: and and he bandaged up his wounds, so forth and
Speaker 1: so on. And Jesus said, well, who was neighbored to
Speaker 1: this man? And and so I'm just saying that he
Speaker 1: was teaching me a lesson about how to treat people
Speaker 1: because of what drives hate is people feeling that they
Speaker 1: have been put down there for some reason, disdained some
Speaker 1: of the words. Kim has a word for it, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and they get like that, and you who is it.
Speaker 1: Will Roger says he never looks out on a person
Speaker 1: or something like that, or book at the Washington says
Speaker 1: he never looks down on the man without picking him up,
Speaker 1: and that whole thing. But I learned that, and I
Speaker 1: learned to treat my marketing reps like that when I
Speaker 1: got into management, and and learn to treat people like that.
Speaker 1: The next thing, you know him in the in the ministry.
Speaker 1: And you've got to look at people as in accordance
Speaker 1: to what God says they can be and not so
Speaker 1: much of how they're performing right now, because many times
Speaker 1: they don't come up to your professional standard. But you've
Speaker 1: got to teach them. And so that's that's my piece
Speaker 1: that I learned. That was a heavy piece. Now I
Speaker 1: understand all of this is scripture because it says faith
Speaker 1: work it by love. Now I didn't I don't think
Speaker 1: my boss's boss went invested too much in the scriptures.
Speaker 1: But but the company taught those principles because it knew
Speaker 1: that every seat son there's a harvest to it, and
Speaker 1: that if you say that long enough, then the harvest
Speaker 1: of that will come forth in your actions towards that
Speaker 1: customer client. Next thing, you know, IBM will get the business,
Speaker 1: so lose the business, and so forth like that. So
Speaker 1: it's that that's that's what I learned from that. But hatred,
Speaker 1: this thing is going around today and it's almost like
Speaker 1: almost like a plague. Wow. Just listening to those conversations
Speaker 1: that I had with those individuals, that just brought back
Speaker 1: memories and it got me even more excited about what's
Speaker 1: to come. So I want to thank you guys for
Speaker 1: listening to today's episode, and I want to encourage you
Speaker 1: to listen to next week's episode where I have a
Speaker 1: very special guest. Tell your friends, your family like the podcast, subscribe,
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