1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to Outlow with Giano Caldwell. This is my twenty 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: six episode, but I've been so blessed and honored to 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: have shared twenty five episodes with you all of thus far. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: When I got this podcast and working with speaker New 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Gingrich and Debbie Meyers, my executive producers, I didn't know 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: what to expect. I've never had a platform like this before, 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: but I was so honored that they chose me to 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: give my voice two issues that I really care about 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: that I'm very passionate about things that you wouldn't necessarily 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: hear me say on the Fox News segment. I have 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: the opportunity to do that here with you all week 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: after week. So this week I want to do something 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: very very special. I want to take you back to 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: some of those very memorable moments that I've had with 15 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: numerous individuals. As you know, I've had people like Herschel 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: Walker on. I've had Dr drew On, I've had Treta Sheet, 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: I've had Janice Dean, I've had my pastor, Dr Bill Winston. 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: I've had a Lord Trump. I've had Daniel Cameron, the 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Attorney General from content Ucky talking about the Brianna Taylor case, 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: I've had some really really really great guests, and on 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: a number of occasions we've broke news. So this week 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: I want to share with you some of these moments, 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: and I want you to continue to listen and continue 24 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: to take this ride with me, because without you, this 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: show is absolutely nothing. Take a listen to the first 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: clip with none other than herschel Walker, who was actually 27 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: my first guest of the podcast outline with Giano Caldwell. 28 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: So we're back and we got the great herschel Walker. 29 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: Here's somebody who's been school and so many of us 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: on what the values of just traditional values which I 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: call conservative values have done for you for your family, 32 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: which got you to where you are today, which I 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: think is such an inspiring story. What what is it like? 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: What are you see in with the political landscape today? 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 1: In let me first say this. You know people got 36 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: upset when I spoke at to convince you and I said, uh, 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I didn't just get in politics because I wanted to 38 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: be a politician. ID just just said, oh man, I 39 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: want to be in politics, or this is what's so 40 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: interested to Donald Trump and just called herschel Walking and said, hersch, 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: I want you to speak for me because you're my 42 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: black friend. Well, I've been talking with President Trump for 43 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 1: third or seven years, even when he was president, and 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: I used to talk. Not one time has he ever 45 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: asked herschel Walker to speak for him. But when I 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: started seeing all those lives Ben told about him. When 47 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: I started seeing all that stuff, Ben said that I 48 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 1: knew that wasn't true. But I knew it. But yet 49 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,279 Speaker 1: this man never asked his black friend to speak for him. 50 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: I said, I wanted to speak. I don't even think 51 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: he knew I was gonna even do that, And I 52 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: want to speak. I want to tell the people what 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: I know about this man. This man cares about his family. 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: A matter of fact. In Night five, I remember Donald 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: Trump and myself and a reporter front of New York 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: Times walking down the street. And I said to this reporter, 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: as this man could be president of the United States 58 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: of America in nineteen if I do. The reason, I 59 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: said that is because he loved the United States South America. 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: And I said, who should love in the United States 61 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: of American more than your president of the United States 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: South America. And I said, so, I'm confused what people 63 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: think I'm gonna now be something different. I'm gonna tell 64 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: you the truth. You don't have to like it, but 65 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: that's gonna be the truth. And then they brought me 66 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: into politics, and I said, when you bring hershal walk 67 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: into anything, you better be ready because what I'm gonna 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: do now is educate myself. So I started to educate myself. 69 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: But I was educating myself before I came into politics, 70 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: because one of the things I did is I started 71 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: reading about the Democratic Party. I started reading about the 72 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and I go, what are they doing for 73 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: any black person? Not to be me? You know, like 74 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: they kept me in slavery if they wanted to keep 75 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: me there, But what are they doing? I said, I'm 76 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: gonna be delivered out of slavery. About Jesus Christ, what 77 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: are they doing for anyone? So I started, yeah, I'm 78 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: already out of it. So I was like, so they're 79 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: trying to put me back. So as I started educating 80 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: myself and so looking at the different policies and so 81 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: looking at the different things. And I said, Hershel, what 82 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: you know not that my eyes are open, But I said, 83 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: you know all my life because I was black, And 84 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: don't be honest, all my life because I was black. 85 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: I thought I was democratic. I did. I thought, Oh no, 86 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 1: no one ever told men. I just grew up because 87 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: I heard people talk about it. You didn't know the neighborhood. 88 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: You know, in my neighborhood. I'm in the country. So 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: the next house next to me about five miles away. 90 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: It ain't like I can go next to a ring 91 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: the doorbell. So I just heard that we were a Democrat. 92 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: So you know, you always thought that. So I didn't 93 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: know any better. Well, when I started educating myself, I 94 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: was a wonder man. And why don't I learn who's 95 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: best for the job, who is gonna benefit what I 96 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: believe in. So as I was learning this, I said, 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: while this part over here seemed to be the one 98 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: that on the same track with what I believe in 99 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: and what I think this country should be. It wasn't 100 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: just about herschel Walker, because it's not about me as 101 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: an individual. It's about this country. Because when you have kids, 102 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: it ain't about you any more. Was about your child. 103 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: Because my father was an African American may my mom 104 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: is an African American woman. My father educated his son 105 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: to make the next step into making this country better. 106 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: Because my father to had the great things first, walk ahead. 107 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: He worked his tail off and put me into position 108 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: that now I could help my son to have something 109 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: better than me. Well, if I vote Democrat, I can 110 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: tell what he's hot. This is under truth. I've seen 111 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 1: this now, I meant Washington, I've seen what they believe in. 112 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: I've seen what they do. You see the chaos going 113 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: on today. They don't even talk about one of the 114 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: worst things that happened to me. The reason I jumped 115 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: up out of my seat and I got angry is 116 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: when I saw a BLM sign held up by a 117 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,919 Speaker 1: young kid and he's burning a wholely Bible, burnard his 118 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: flag and burning across And I said, no, no, no, no, no, 119 00:05:57,920 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: that's not the country that I grew up in. That's 120 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: not the aren't you I want to be in. That's 121 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: not the country I want my son to grow up in. 122 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: That's not the country I'm gonna fightful. So they gotta go. 123 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: So I started looking up all this BLM stuff and 124 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: I was told a shock and I started looking at that, 125 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: and they said, guys, you want to get hershelwork in politics. 126 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: That's your fault. It's not my fault. Because I started 127 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: educating my set, but educating myself. I started studying BLM, 128 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: and then I started getting upset because I see all 129 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: these companies giving all this money to this company that 130 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: wanted to destroy the African American family, but yet they 131 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: haven't been held accountable. And I'm like, wait a minute, 132 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: they're more racist about giving money to someone without knowing 133 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: who they're giving the money to. But you saw, like 134 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, you don't what I'm talking about. You go 135 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: to church, you go out on Friday night and you 136 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: parted like a wild part of like the nineteen nine 137 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: and nine and then all that. Yeah, and all I'm 138 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: saying on sudden as you go to church and you 139 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: pay your ties and on money and you go out 140 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: and do the same. Yeah, you think that because you're 141 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: paying your ties, that all that is forgiven. But that 142 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: being the hell of account That's what I wanted to 143 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: ask you. Do you think that there's a true distinction 144 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: between a group that's a clear organization that founders have 145 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: been training Marxism. We understand that against the nuclear family, 146 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: all the things that as conservatives we would naturally oppose, 147 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: not because of the politics of it per se, It's 148 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: more of the ideology of we're pro family, were pro business, 149 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: with pro all these good things and a lot of 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: the things that they stand for. Clearly, if you're saying 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: it's okay to Luton riot and its reparations, that's a problem. 152 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: But then there's a group of folks that are young 153 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: who are saying we're against police brutality and racism. Do 154 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: you see the clear distinction between the two, And to 155 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: be honest, I'm telling no, I don't, and limited the 156 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: reason why BLM and the organization don't have an office 157 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: that I know. I've never seen them give us sent 158 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: to colleges. I never seen them give a dime to 159 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: build a school. I never seen him give a cent 160 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: to black businesses. I never seen them give any money. 161 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: Unless they have, they haven't shown the Herschel walker and 162 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: that's my fault. Build in Black lives matter. Well, to 163 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: be honest with you, remember earlier I said that any pastor, 164 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: our bishop, or any man of God is preaching separation, 165 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: which is black lives matter. I can't go for that 166 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: because in God's eyes, all lives matter. And what I 167 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: mean by that is why are we separating people today? 168 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: And one thing that's weird is Why do I have 169 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: to be a colored man rather than a maze? Why 170 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: do I have to be in an Africa American rather 171 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: than just an American? So why are we not saying 172 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: this American? And you know, I go back to I 173 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: was in a talk with a couple of players, you know, 174 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: athletes called me today sometime some of them do still 175 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: like men. So I was having one the other day. 176 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: He said, uhrcial, uh, the president, what has he done 177 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: for African American? As I started running that down for him, 178 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: I spid a minute, wait a minute, and I stopped 179 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: running it down. I said, why are we worried about 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: what the president has done for Black's He did not 181 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: do that for black to get no votes. He did 182 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: it because it was the right thing to do, because 183 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: it was dumb by no one else. Remember when he 184 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: did this, it wasn't about no election. He did because 185 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: it was the right thing to do for African American 186 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: and it just so happened that no one else in 187 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: the past I did it. Yeah, let me ask you 188 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: this question, because a lot of folks have said that 189 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: President Trump is a racist. Clearly you've gone out to 190 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: the r n C and said that that's not true, 191 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: you based on your personal relationship. But the question is 192 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: do you think that people should be offended by some 193 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: of the things you said, like when he said, excuse 194 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: my language should hold countries or any of these other things, 195 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: like people get offended by what he says. And I'm 196 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: against PC culture all day. This show as a sworn 197 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: enemy of the politically correct culture where you can't just 198 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: speak your mind and say things. And you know him 199 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: to be, from your personal view, not a racist, and 200 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: clearly he wasn't before he ran for president. Jesse Jackson 201 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: gave him an award. But do you think that there's 202 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: some things that he said that people can rightfully be 203 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: offended and say, you know what, that was racist or 204 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: that was wrong. Let me tell you what's so funny. 205 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: This man is so far from being a racist than anyone. 206 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: And I remember, I know racism just by listening to 207 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: some of the guys today. If they don't like this president, 208 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: they don't like this president. So everything he does is wrong. 209 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: He on on The Apprentice he said this here, It's like, 210 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? It's like, what is this 211 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: man doing for this country? One of the most strongest 212 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: thing I've seen you this guy just signed a peace 213 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: treated There's something that I haven't been done. And you 214 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: already said Obama did some peace treatise. I said he did. 215 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: This guy is the the greatest guy to be president 216 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: for the United States for right now. You know, maybe 217 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: four years after this he may not be I don't know. 218 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Someone may come up that may be better. But for 219 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: right now, for the next four years, Donald Trump is 220 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: a man that need to be president. I heard sentim 221 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: to Harris called Biden a racist. I heard her in 222 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: the debate said he wasn't prepared and fit to be 223 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: president of the United States. So why is she now 224 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: promoting and to be president of the United States is America? 225 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: You know. I also heard David won in a debate 226 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: everyone in a debate almost saying he wasn't fit to 227 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: be president of the United States, but not as supporting 228 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 1: it the most powerful man in the country. You're supporting 229 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: a guy that I heard you earlier on said he 230 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: wasn't ready or prepared, and after four to seven years 231 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: he's shown what he is. We have to take a 232 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: quick break, but when we come back, I want you 233 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: to listen to this interview with Jannisteen, who lost her 234 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 1: two in laws and a nursing home in New York 235 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: City due to the government comos executive order stay right there. 236 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: In the responses report, which was interesting to me to 237 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: hear from the governor, he was incredibly defensive. During a 238 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: press conference, he dismissed his critics as politically motivated and 239 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: said this exact quote, who cares whether thirty or died 240 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: in the hospital, died in a nursing home. They died. 241 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: How callous can you be to make a statement like that. 242 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: That's him, That's that's him. Unfortunately, I've covered him for 243 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: ten months now, and he he just has no empathy. 244 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: I actually think it's a personality defect. I know that 245 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: sounds that might sound callous, but I do think that's 246 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: part of his personality. He doesn't He isn't able to 247 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: have any empathy at all for the families. If he 248 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: had come out in the very beginning and said, I'm 249 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: sorry for your loss. I made a mistake. I got 250 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: bad information. I shouldn't have put those patients into nursing homes. 251 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: I feel so bad. Um, we wouldn't be here today. 252 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: I would have accepted that. Had he said, you know, 253 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a hundred year pandemic and 254 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: no one saw this coming. And I am so sorry 255 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: for your loss. Had he done that, but he's not 256 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: capable of doing that, um. And so you know my responses. 257 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,479 Speaker 1: I always assumed he really really didn't care about our families, 258 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: and now with that response, I'm sure of that. And 259 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: tragically both your in laws dot in New York nursing 260 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: homes from the coronavirus last year. I was hoping you 261 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: could take us back to that day and just describe 262 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: what that tom was like for you and your husband 263 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: on the personal level, if you're comfortable doing so, of course, 264 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's very difficult, but I will tell you 265 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: I feel like it was his parents, my husband's parents 266 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: making Indeed, that gave me the strength to continue, because 267 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: there were many times where I just thought, I'm not 268 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: going to win this fight. He's too powerful and he 269 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: has too many people protecting him. You know. I felt 270 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: sometimes like I was this little aunt with the bolder 271 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: going up the mountain, and they were great, wonderful people. Um. 272 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I feel for people like my husband 273 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: and I, who for many months didn't know how to 274 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: care for his parents properly. They were in a four 275 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: story walk up in Brooklyn for you know, over fifty years. 276 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: And their health was failing them. And you know, my 277 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: husband had aids that would go in to try to 278 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: take care of them, but there were still trips to 279 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: the e er and trips to the hospital. So there 280 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: are many months of trying to come up with a 281 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: way that we can take care of them and have 282 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: twenty four hour care. And Sean's dad had dementia and 283 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: he his health was failing him. His mom had trouble walking, 284 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: but her mind was spry. I mean she you know, 285 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: every day he talked to her, sometimes two or three 286 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: times a day. She was just this wonderful, wonderful woman. Um. 287 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, they both needed care. So we had to 288 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: get his dad first in better shape to join his 289 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 1: mom and assisted living facility which was close to us 290 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: on Long Island, so that we could go visit them, 291 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: bring the family, um, and that was the plan. So 292 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: Mickey was in a nursing home for rehab to get 293 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: him in better health to join his wife. D And 294 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: coronavirus came in shortly after that and we were in quarantine. Um, 295 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: we weren't able to see them. We didn't even know 296 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: his father was sick until a Saturday morning in late 297 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: March when we got a call saying he wasn't feeling 298 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: well and he had a fever, and and then three 299 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: hours later we got a call saying he had died. 300 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: So we had we had no idea he was ill. 301 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: And I remember getting a phone call a week or 302 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: two before he got sick saying that he was going 303 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: to be moved to another floor to allow more to 304 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: allow more UH people in, to allow more people to 305 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: come into the nursing home. And so that was a 306 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: red flag for me, especially when I started to find 307 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: out about the governor's mandate to put infected patients into 308 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: nursing homes. So his dad, we lost his dad first, 309 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: and then my husband had to tell his mom about 310 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: his dad passing away. That was the hardest thing he 311 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: ever had to do. And she got sick and was 312 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: transported to the hospital and she was diagnosed with COVID 313 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: and she died shortly after being transported to the hospital, 314 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: and her number didn't count because the governor didn't count 315 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: those who got COVID in their elder care facilities but 316 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: died in the hospital. So that's what I've been fighting 317 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: for That's what I have been vocal about is the 318 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: two things the COVID positive patients in the nursing homes 319 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: for forty six days because of the governor's executive order 320 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that he wasn't counting those that died 321 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: in the hospital. And so the release of the a 322 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: G report last week helped bring some of those answers. 323 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: So again we see a governor who was looking to 324 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: manipulate the situation in his favor. Meanwhile your family and 325 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: many other families and pretty much suffered the consequences. You know, 326 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: this is this is such a tough interview because it's 327 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: such a serious subject matter, and as one where you 328 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: have an official who's in power, who's decision making, and 329 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: still impacting the lives of thousands of people, millions actually 330 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: in New York State. And it's just troubling that there's 331 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 1: been no apology, there's been no confession. Um in fact, 332 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: he's tried to say that he's pretty much been a 333 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: hero in a way. And I'm kind of confused about 334 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: what was the initial reasoning for this executive order as 335 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: you understand it, do you know what the rationale was 336 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: to send COVID patients was at the idea to prevent 337 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: hospitals from me and overcrowded with COVID patients. Uh, what 338 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: was it? Do you know? We don't. Um, And that's 339 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I think we have to 340 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: have an investigation. So, you know, the excuse is they 341 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: didn't want to overwhelm the hospitals, that they had to 342 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: put these COVID positive patients somewhere, and that they thought 343 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: the nursing homes would have the you know, the proper 344 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: facilities to do that, the proper equipment to do that. 345 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: And as it turns out, they didn't, and they weren't 346 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: allowed to test the patients coming in. They didn't want 347 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: to discriminate against the patients. It actually says in the 348 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: order you you you don't you don't test these people. 349 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: You know, you have to accept them. And the nursing 350 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: home owner owners and the operators that I've spoken with 351 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 1: always thought that they could not turn them away. Uh. 352 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: And the governor likes to say, well, it was based 353 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: on it was you know, the federal government, it was 354 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: the CDC and that and that's pretty much been proven wrong. Um. 355 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: We had the comfort Ship, we had the JABBT Center, 356 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: and we had other makeshift hospitals that taxpayers spent millions 357 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: of dollars on to put patients in. And my question 358 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: has always been why weren't they used for the overflow 359 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 1: of COVID positive patients instead of putting them into nursing homes. 360 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: There was a Wall Street Journal report that was issued 361 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago that said that Cuomo was 362 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: told by one of his hospital lobbyists, who's a good 363 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: friend of his and who has given millions of dollars 364 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: to his campaign, that he was the one who suggested 365 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: to put the patients into nursing homes. So this is, 366 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: you know, this is bigger than all of us, To 367 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: be honest with you, UM, I really think that there 368 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: is a money trail, there's corruption. Um. But you know, 369 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: I'm only one person, and you know I can't. I 370 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: would love to be spend all of my time trying 371 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: to find these answers. Um. But but that's you know, 372 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: that's where I hope this opens up doors to further investigations, 373 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: to find truth and to help those families feel like 374 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 1: there is closure. We we never had a Waker funeral, 375 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 1: and we're Catholic, we never had last rites. My husband 376 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,360 Speaker 1: never saw his parents at the He was called when 377 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: his mom was in the hospital. She died in the 378 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: hospital and he was told she he could go see 379 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: her when she had passed away in a room in 380 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: a hospital. Jans, it's terrible, I know it is. It's terrible. Wow. 381 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: Oh jeez, you're a good man, you know. Thank you. 382 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: But I'm so sorry. I really am. I'm really so 383 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: I know you are. And that means everything. I mean, 384 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, that's all we wanted. We just wanted an 385 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: apology or something. We never we never got it, you know, 386 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: we never got it from him. For the administration, you know, 387 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: they just continue to blame others and he still continues 388 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: to do that. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation 389 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: that I had with Janice Dean. There's a lot of 390 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: you can tell. I was moved to tears listening to 391 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: her retail the story of her in laws going into 392 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: a nursing home and dying based on Governor Andrew Culmo's 393 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: executive order on nursing homes. Thankfully, she's finally getting justice. 394 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: I want you to stay right there, because when I 395 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: come back from break, I'll be talking to television personality 396 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: doctor true about my personal life, something that was actually 397 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: something I was very, very ashamed of for many many years, 398 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: and he diagnosed me live on the podcast Stay right There, 399 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: Don't Go Anywhere. I think about a scenario that took 400 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: place in my life some years ago, and you you 401 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: know about this personally. So about seven years ago, almost 402 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: eight years ago, I've been single, and I've been single 403 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 1: because I had fell in love with a young lady 404 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: who was outstandingly beautiful. She seemingly was very into God 405 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: and church, and spent a great deal of time together 406 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: because I I want a woman that to believe her 407 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: Christian and she was very hungry to improve herself, and 408 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: we spent a great deal of time together and things 409 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: just begin to feel very unsettled, and I couldn't figure 410 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: out what was going on why it felt so unsettled. 411 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: So I ended up getting onto her smartphone somehow and 412 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: and being able to see the contents of it while 413 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: I was away on a business trip. And what I 414 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: discovered is this woman was a secret escort and she 415 00:22:56,040 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: was dealing with some of the most powerful people in 416 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: the country. And as you can imagine, I was completely 417 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: and totally heartbroken. I couldn't trust anyone. I couldn't trust 418 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: any woman. But in that case, I just couldn't figure 419 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: out what to do until I went to counseling and 420 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: things became better, because at one point it seemed like 421 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: I was just kind of pushing all the attention away 422 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: for me, you know, women who wanted to date me 423 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: and women that I was actually I found attractive, but 424 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 1: I was kind of pushing it away. And I began 425 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: to feel and think was I a commitment folde? And 426 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: I come to the realization that I'm not a commitment 427 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 1: fold but the very real possibility of me becoming one, 428 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: I think was present. Well, what what happens again, This 429 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: is sort of the typical pattern is that people with 430 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: that I mean first starts of all, you you avoiding 431 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: intimacy at that point with sort of a self preservation 432 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: movement as a reasonable thing. But what happens is the 433 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: typical pattern is that people will sabotage real relationships or 434 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: just not be interested in them and have lightning bolts 435 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: for these people that they shouldn't be involved with, and 436 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: then get re traumatized by them re traumatized and you 437 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: you see that in relationships romantic and other relationships. The 438 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 1: love line was, the love line was every call was, 439 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: you know, pointing out these patterns to people. So so 440 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: the recommendation from you for people who have dealt with 441 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: those very dramatic situations is to go get with the 442 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: therapist and you can be here. Recommendation is to take 443 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: yourself by the hand and see if you what it's 444 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: like to get involved with somebody that you don't have 445 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: an intense attraction for that you just have sort of 446 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: a mild attraction for again, butterflies, not lightning bolts, And 447 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: see what that relationship feels like. And if you sabotage 448 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: it or get bored with it, or pull away from it, 449 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: you have your answer, because then that's that could have 450 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: been a relationship that you are sabotaging and you can't tolerate. 451 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: You have an intimacy disorder at that point, and that 452 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: needs to be treated. It can be treated quite readily. Intimacy. 453 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: But here's the thing you said, just a mild attraction to. 454 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: Aren't we you all looking for the best looking person 455 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: and as the best qualities we can be attracted to, 456 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily I mean, and by the way, that means 457 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: very different things to different people, and so you know, 458 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: it's you'd be surprised as you do this work, what 459 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: you're attracted to changes markedly. Can you tell us about 460 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 1: one of these cases you experienced. It was a tough 461 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: case and you you ended up getting the person on 462 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: the right track. Well, I mean the one that thing 463 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: people can can watch is um we in the Sex 464 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 1: Addiction show. It's funny that we're talking about. That show 465 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: was just one of the shows we did. But we 466 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: treated a porn star. Her name in the porn industry 467 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: was Penny Flame we knew, or Jennifer Ketchum. And what 468 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: you will see is and she came in. She had 469 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: no intention of getting treatment. It turned out she had 470 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: a dit. She had all kinds of stuff going on, 471 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: and she didn't really realize any of it. But we 472 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: got through to her right away by calling her Jennifer. 473 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Jenny no one had called. They've been calling her Penny 474 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: for the last ten years, and this was a pseudo 475 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: self that she was living in and we just cut 476 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: through that and said no, I want to I want 477 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: to use know Jennifer, And she started dropping some of 478 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: the bullshit and you will see her go through the 479 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: process of really sex addiction treatment at that point, but 480 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: ultimately stayed with therapy for quite some time after we 481 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 1: did the acute treatment, realized she had a cocaine and 482 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: cannabis problem also and got into recovery from that. And 483 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: now she is a really talented social worker, married with 484 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: a kid. Wow, social worker. Yeah, her therapist, she's a therapist, 485 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: and she has a child that she has a stable 486 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: relationship with, somebody she loves. And she had severe intimacy problems, 487 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 1: severe and lots of similar trauma as to what you're describing. 488 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: Lots of stuff with the dad with cocaine and the 489 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: mom abandoning the kids and the whole thing. Usual stuff 490 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: are These are common stories that we have to get 491 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: much more realistic about their impact. And how long did 492 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: it take for her to get on track to to 493 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: that degree? It was the years? Was it was years? 494 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean it was years, but it wasn't decades. I 495 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: mean it en't of a decade. She was a social worker, 496 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, and she I'd say, i'd say five to 497 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: seven years. She was well in hand. She was well 498 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: in hand. Wow. Okay, well switching gears because I know 499 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: you you you have to get out of here shortly. 500 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: The show wouldn't be complete without at least gazing the 501 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: field of politics. What is your impression of the outcome 502 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: of the election in the current state of things, I 503 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: am my my My fundamental position when I just examine 504 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: my feelings are that I'm I'm tired. I'm just so 505 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: tired of the weird negativity and the Trump derangement syndrome. 506 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 1: And I'm just so tired tired. Mr Trump makes me 507 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,199 Speaker 1: tired to some of the things he played. You're not 508 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: the only one, but so so. I'm happy to see 509 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: things settled down. How they settle down. I almost don't 510 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: have a I don't have an opinion. I'm just glad 511 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: they're settling down. We've exposed some things about ourselves in 512 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: the process of all this, and we did take a 513 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,479 Speaker 1: very good look at ourselves. We've been behaving like the 514 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: mobs during the French Revolution. There's a certain I'm gonna 515 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: reread I just got out of affect them in the 516 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: room where I'm gonna pull the book out right now, 517 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: Notes from the Underground by Dostoevsky, because everyone has become 518 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: like that main character in that, in that, in that, 519 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: in that novel, And I'm wondering what that means. We 520 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 1: have to start, you know, this is pertinent to this conversation. 521 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: We have to become empathic. We have to stop acting 522 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 1: out envy. We we have to change because it's we're 523 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: behaving like the mobs during the French Revolution and pulling 524 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: out the guillotines for every little thing that it's ridiculous. 525 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: And so we'll see and you think that trump the 526 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: arrangement syndrome, that that that And I was going to 527 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: ask you about that, but that's like a a real thing. 528 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: For it's not a ds M five, you know, outgory, 529 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: but a boy. You sure see it everywhere. And because 530 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: I don't have it, I don't have any I'm a 531 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: very middle of the road moderate if if anything, I 532 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: lean libertarian. But I see the craziness on both sides, 533 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: and so it's really easy for me to call it 534 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: out because I see it, I see it operating. It's 535 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: like you're this is any these it's it's what we 536 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: used to call neuroticism. We have to we have to 537 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: we have to get much more critical in our thoughts. 538 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: We have to recognize envy where it's corrosive. We have 539 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: to be more empathic and we have to be more 540 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: thoughtful and not so hysterical. I mean, look, with the 541 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: COVID thing is another part of that. We started talking 542 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: about that. That's another that's another derangement syndrome that we have. 543 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: And uh, it needs to change. We need to change. 544 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: We need to get ahold of ourselves and we need 545 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: to you know, go back to the golden rule, go 546 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: back to communities, go back to our family and relationships 547 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: and all the good stuff you and I were talking about. 548 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: You know, we need to function better in our relationships. 549 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: And if we have trauma and it's been delivered to it. 550 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: I've had trauma for my parents. You know, there's a 551 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: lot of intergenerational trauma. You know, my family escaped the 552 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: Ukrainian genocide and uh, and that stuff gets transmitted to you. 553 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: It just gets through to you and you have to 554 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: be aware of it and you have to deal with it. 555 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: And on a final note from Dr Drew, have more 556 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 1: empathy and I appreciate that. And for folks who may 557 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: be interested in knowing my mom is doing well. She's 558 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: no longer on drugs and she now works in the 559 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: in the health care field, caring for people who were 560 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: in similar situations like her, but at the same time, 561 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the kind of people that I keeps me working every day. 562 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: These recoveries are miraculous, but you have to recover too. 563 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: She was very sick when you were a child, and 564 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: that illness not your mom, the illness had an impact 565 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: on you. Well. I look forward to doing counseling sessions 566 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: with you, doctor we end up writing together. As we've this, 567 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: I'll pull the curtain back a little bit. We've talked 568 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: a little bit about. Trust me, those are extremely emotion 569 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: very therapeutic sessions when we really get deep into writing 570 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: the writing process. Listen, I'm all game, and I want 571 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: to thank you so much for coming on out loud 572 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: with Giano call aswell, and we certainly appreciate your very 573 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: logical and research based opinion. No conspiracy theories here. So 574 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: for folks who may want to listen to this, you 575 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: know you've got folks. We got democrats that listen. In 576 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: some left wing publications, they love to drum up some 577 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: some hate. So for those who are listening this fact base, 578 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: I am conversation or something I said, here's my approach. 579 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: If I stepped on a landline somewhere, please help me 580 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 1: do a better job. I want to do better, and 581 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: if if my mind needs to be changed about something, 582 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: I want my mind to be changed. I don't want 583 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: to sit in a silo and here an echo. I 584 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: would love to grow and expand my view of things. 585 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: So please, if anybody takes issue with any of these 586 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: things I love, but but don't, don't use envy and 587 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: aggression as a way of feeding back. Just give me 588 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: the feedback and that will change my mind. You know, 589 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: we say to our kids, I can't hear you when 590 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: you talk like that. It's hard to hear people when 591 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: they're being aggressive and envious. Just just just tell me 592 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: how I could do a better job, and I'm all 593 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: for it, Doctor Drew, everyone is when we have the collapse. 594 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: All right, guys, I hope you learned something from that 595 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: conversation I had with doctor Drew about my personal life, 596 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: as one that I talked about in my book Taking 597 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: for Granted. Now, it is my great honor to introduce 598 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: my pastor, Dr Bill Winston of Living Where, a Christian 599 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: center in Forest Park, Illinois. He's someone who has helped 600 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: me greatly throughout my life and one in which I 601 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: had to share on the podcast, because he has so 602 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: much wisdom about life and faith and God and certainly 603 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: how to move to the next level in business or 604 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: personal development. Well, I'm super super excited about having you 605 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: on Dr Bill Winston. I've been a part of your 606 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: ministry since two thousand and five. I remember coming into 607 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: the church and what that experien was like. And more importantly, 608 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: I remember when I first saw you on television and 609 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: had dynamic you were. And I must say that you've 610 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: made an incredible impression upon my life. You've influenced a 611 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: lot of my decisions, and you've been a mentor to 612 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: me since two thousand and five without me even knowing 613 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: you personally. But of course I know you personally now. 614 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: So I want to thank you for joining us today, 615 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to be a blessing for 616 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: all to hear you. It is my privilege. Gian I 617 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: thank you. I thank you so much. So for those 618 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: listening who may not know much about you, let's start 619 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: with your early life and your personal journey. You were 620 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: born in Tuskegee, Alabama. What was it like growing up 621 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: in Alabama during the age of um This is most 622 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: of our parents were Tuskey, German and so the legacy 623 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: of that was very present in the Tuskegee area. And 624 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: so Tuskege itself small town, but but at a big legacy. 625 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: Had Tuskey German and also had the sixth the largest 626 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: view hospital in the in the country. And so because 627 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: of that segregation in that time, you have most of 628 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: the physicians who African American came to do their internship 629 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: and so forth at the VA Hospital in Tuskegee. And 630 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: also you had the university, which look at the Washington 631 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: founded in and that had the professors and so forth 632 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: and so on. So you had these three professions there. 633 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: So when I look at my life growing up, I 634 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: went to the school at elementary school, which is a 635 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: lab school of the university, and we had to visit 636 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: Carbon Museum once a year. We had French in the 637 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: third grade, we had all of us had by the 638 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: fourth grade, we had carpentry and we had all this. 639 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: We had to have made a lamp and so forth, 640 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: and so they were grooming us really for leadership. Just 641 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: about everybody, myself and Lionel, Richie and wherever else grew 642 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: up with us, the universe. Everybody grew up We're going 643 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: to save so all of us. We had something in 644 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: us and that's a lot of times how people see 645 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: themselves as the way other people see them. And so 646 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: we all were taught really that we weren't missing anything. 647 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: So I wasn't eager to integrate because we had everything 648 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: and we were taught things that that Normally most of 649 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: the people who finish elementary school with me went away 650 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: to boarding schools in the north and so forth. I 651 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: had to say, uh, they're at Tuskegee High School because 652 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: the dad said he didn't have that kind of money, 653 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: and so I stayed there and so but growing up 654 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 1: there was really experience. But what it did it worked 655 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: on my esteem, which is I think you know eighty 656 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: of what somebody can do and perform and how they 657 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 1: can see themselves. So that was the foundation of it. 658 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: I've finished undergraded Tuskegeeon ended up going to r OCC 659 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: and flying fighters and that was a background of that. Wow, 660 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: and you talk a lot about your military service, and 661 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: we we certainly honor and thank you for your service 662 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: to this great country. I'm really intrigued to know, especially 663 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: knowing the kind of man that you are, how is 664 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: that experience being in the military at such an interesting 665 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: time and fighting and flying fighter as a fireplan. A 666 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: couple of things about that one is that it would 667 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: it did it pull on a potential in me that 668 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: I never knew I had. And the word potential means 669 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 1: hidden abilities. And what happens is people don't want to 670 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: make a step because they don't think they will succeed 671 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: or whatever have you, but not knowing of what has 672 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: been placed in them. Every one of us has a gift. 673 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I don't care who you are, what country you are, 674 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 1: You've got a gift. And a gift will make room 675 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: for you. The Bible didn't say your education, would it 676 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: say your gift? Would it will make room for you 677 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: and bring before great men, not down on education. But 678 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: what I did is is I had to fly and compete. 679 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: And that's where you go to pilot training. Where I 680 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: went in uh San Antonio, Texas at Randolph Air Force Space. 681 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: But when I got there, I had thirty and other 682 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: students in the classes coming from universities, and we had 683 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 1: to learn progressively that we could do things that we 684 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: never thought we could do. And he started that a 685 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: little light airplane that had a propeller, and you progress 686 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: right on up and to the supersonic jets and then 687 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: you've got your assignment. And I ended up going to 688 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: war and so forth and fawn and a lot of 689 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,239 Speaker 1: people don't know it, but I wrote the op ed 690 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,040 Speaker 1: on this that you can go and be in the 691 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: military inside of war without hating. They think you have 692 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: to hate to be on the other side, but you don't. 693 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: And um that it was a military experience that I had, 694 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: and I have been trained there in leadership and leading 695 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,279 Speaker 1: a flight and so forth. Now that means you've got 696 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: to be making decisions on the split second, and you 697 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: just have to develop some leadership qualities that that I 698 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: didn't even know I had in me. So I wrote 699 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: that book on Spirit of Leadership. The name is Spirit 700 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: of Leadership, that everybody's a leader first of all, and 701 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,839 Speaker 1: that all leadership is spiritual. So as I developed that, 702 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: it really taught me how to lead. So when I 703 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: came out of the military and went to work for IDM, 704 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,439 Speaker 1: that I was in training for a year in each 705 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 1: one of those class had four schools I had to 706 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: go to, and three of those schools they didn't even 707 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: know me, but they wanted me to be the president 708 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: of the class. And so for now. I didn't choose this. 709 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: I didn't. They come from all kinds of schools, either league, 710 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: universities and so forth. But I think leadership qualities can 711 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: be detected. I think people can sent them and so forth. 712 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting how the Bible says the blind leaders of 713 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: the blind, meaning that they have no vision. And I 714 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,760 Speaker 1: think one of the real qualities of it is vision. 715 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: Book at the Washington had vision, George Washington Carver had 716 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: fish and and because of it they could leave people 717 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: and expand and so forth. And one so Tuskegee, the 718 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: growing up there, the legacy of that, I think part 719 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: of that book at the Washington, legacy of educating people 720 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: and so forth, and teaching. I think that's still on 721 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: me right now. You know, you've mentioned something which I think, 722 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: uh shows great parallels to where we are today when 723 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: you talked about you being in the military and you 724 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: you're fighting against the enemy, but yet still not hating someone. 725 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: And now we're in an environment of our politics where 726 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: it's you're a Democrat, you're a Republican, you're an inependent progressive, 727 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 1: you're a libertarian, and everybody's fighting against each other. Ever, 728 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 1: everybody hating each other. You look at social media and 729 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: you see nothing but hateful comments coming on all sides. 730 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: Can you go into why you think that is? Well? 731 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the results of Adam and 732 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: Eves fall in the garden. I think that they got 733 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: into selfishness and and I think many times hate is 734 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: rooted in fear and selfishness, and love is just the opposite. 735 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: It's a product of faith. And so I remember when 736 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: I was in IBM, and I was now turning the 737 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: corner and kind of doing well in my sales and computers, 738 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: and my boss called me in. Boss's boss who happened 739 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 1: to be African American. He was he was trained by 740 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: in the chairman's office, and at that time he had 741 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: two branch managers in the United States and and one 742 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: without the West Coast, and one was in Chicago, which 743 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: was my boss's boss. And he called me and they Billy, 744 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: why don't you come on in. Let's see what you do. 745 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: How you doing on your accounts? So I came to 746 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: start talking to him, and then I was talking to 747 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: him about my accounts and and I said, now this 748 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: account this CEO here, I think he's kind of an idiot. 749 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: And he so forth. He said, wait, wait, wait, wait, 750 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't say that, I said, sir. He said, 751 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: don't ever do that. That's what he said, call him 752 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,879 Speaker 1: a name like that. I said, well, you know we're 753 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: behind closed doors. He said, no, No, If you call 754 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: him that long enough, you'll believe it. And if you 755 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: believe it, you'll treat him like that. And IBM does 756 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: not treat its customers like that. I never forgot that. 757 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: You see, you can be on the opposite side and 758 00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: not hate, because hate takes you to a whole another level. 759 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 1: And their fruit to hate, there's a fruit to actually 760 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: doing that to your neighbor. And the op ed I 761 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: just read and sent over to you, it's on this 762 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: thing called the man who went from his this good Samaritan, 763 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: he went from his place, and next thing, you know, 764 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: he fell into some need, and and three religious to 765 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: religious people passed by him. And and then one man 766 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: who was a Samaritan who was rejected, he came by, 767 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: and and he bandaged up his wounds, so forth and 768 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: so on. And Jesus said, well, who was neighbored to 769 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: this man? And and so I'm just saying that he 770 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: was teaching me a lesson about how to treat people 771 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,240 Speaker 1: because of what drives hate is people feeling that they 772 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: have been put down there for some reason, disdained some 773 00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: of the words. Kim has a word for it, but yeah, yeah, 774 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 1: and and they get like that, and you who is it. 775 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: Will Roger says he never looks out on a person 776 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,359 Speaker 1: or something like that, or book at the Washington says 777 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: he never looks down on the man without picking him up, 778 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 1: and that whole thing. But I learned that, and I 779 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: learned to treat my marketing reps like that when I 780 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: got into management, and and learn to treat people like that. 781 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 1: The next thing, you know him in the in the ministry. 782 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 1: And you've got to look at people as in accordance 783 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 1: to what God says they can be and not so 784 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: much of how they're performing right now, because many times 785 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: they don't come up to your professional standard. But you've 786 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,720 Speaker 1: got to teach them. And so that's that's my piece 787 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: that I learned. That was a heavy piece. Now I 788 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: understand all of this is scripture because it says faith 789 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: work it by love. Now I didn't I don't think 790 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: my boss's boss went invested too much in the scriptures. 791 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:11,879 Speaker 1: But but the company taught those principles because it knew 792 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: that every seat son there's a harvest to it, and 793 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,719 Speaker 1: that if you say that long enough, then the harvest 794 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: of that will come forth in your actions towards that 795 00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,160 Speaker 1: customer client. Next thing, you know, IBM will get the business, 796 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: so lose the business, and so forth like that. So 797 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: it's that that's that's what I learned from that. 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