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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome to a Wednesday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you as usual and for

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Speaker 2: our MSG viewers that are viewing us, we are wearing

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Speaker 2: the same shirt because it is Give seven to one

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Speaker 2: sixth day here on July sixteenth, and you've heard it

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Speaker 2: during Sabers Live and you'll hear it here. Give seven

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Speaker 2: to one six dot org is the place to go

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Speaker 2: to help over five hundred and fifty local charities participating

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Speaker 2: in this year's campaign.

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Speaker 1: I guess if you go just by the amount of

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Speaker 1: money that they've raised over the fourth now this be

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Speaker 1: the fifth year of doing it, it's massively successful. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's really gone well. Of course they you know, it's

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Speaker 1: easy to get on board with this kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: but man, it's it's been really cool to see over

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Speaker 1: the years how this thing has grown and what it's

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Speaker 1: and who it's helped, and it's been great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you name a Western New York charity,

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Speaker 2: it's probably on this list. So if you have a favorite,

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Speaker 2: know that if you donate to give seven one to

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Speaker 2: six dot org, you're probably helping one of those charities.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I know Stephen Sarah help rural outreach a

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Speaker 2: lot here in Western New York. My wife's on the

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Speaker 2: board of Literacy Buffalo, and I do some volunteer work

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Speaker 2: for the Niagara Frontier Radio Reading Service, which is a

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Speaker 2: service for blind listeners to hear anything from the local

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Speaker 2: paper to a nonfiction book. So they're all part of this,

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Speaker 2: along with countless number of other charities. So if you

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Speaker 2: have one that has a special place in your heart

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, and you need to check the list,

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Speaker 2: you can go to give seven one to six dot

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Speaker 2: work to see if they are on the list. But

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Speaker 2: I would bet dollars to donuts that they are somewhere

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Speaker 2: here in the eight counties of Western New York. So

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Speaker 2: that's why it's it's a great and very easy way

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Speaker 2: to help any and all charities here in Western New

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Speaker 2: York that are doing good work out there in our west,

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Speaker 2: in the eight counties of Western New York here.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's wide ranging and it's all encompassing, and

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Speaker 1: it's nice to be a part of it. Yeah, even

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Speaker 1: in a small way like us. I mean, it's right,

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Speaker 1: it's great.

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Speaker 2: The goal is one point four million dollars, and I

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Speaker 2: think Duffer and Marty were just checking in what they

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Speaker 2: hit this. We hit this, I know we hit three

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Speaker 2: quarters of a million already. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The counter's right there on the screen is nine oh two.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bottom right corner of our screen for our

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Speaker 2: MSG viewers. We're at nine oh two, eight forty one

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Speaker 2: and change. So we've got until midnight tonight. So Tom

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Speaker 2: Hollander keeping us on, got about got about half a

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Speaker 2: million to go. So yeah, yeah, I think we can

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Speaker 2: get there. So you know, if you haven't, feel free

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Speaker 2: to hop on it. Give sevene and make a donation.

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Speaker 2: No donation is too small, as they say, you go,

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Speaker 2: so fire it up and get the ball rolling, you know,

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Speaker 2: as we motor through our show here today, My gosh,

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Speaker 2: you could do it on your phone while you're watching

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Speaker 2: or listening to the show. We we have some some

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Speaker 2: bills notes to get to today, more than you would

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Speaker 2: maybe anticipate a week out from Bill's training camp, but

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Speaker 2: today at Saint John Fisher's as Saint John Fisher, as

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Speaker 2: you know, rookies continue their prep work here at one

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Speaker 2: Bill's Drive before heading out for report day next Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: and unfortunately, Bill's rookie defensive end Landon Jackson, landed on

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Speaker 2: the active pup list due to an undisclosed injury that

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Speaker 2: likely occurred during one of these workouts here where the

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Speaker 2: rookies are getting ready at one Bill's Drive, So undisclosed injury,

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Speaker 2: we do not know the severity of it. Active pup

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Speaker 2: for those that don't know, means he still counts towards

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Speaker 2: as soon as he is medically cleared from his football

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Speaker 2: related injury. Now, I don't want to give anybody false hope,

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Speaker 2: because again we do not know the nature of the

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Speaker 2: or whatever the case might be. So we are hoping

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Speaker 2: fingers crossed that you know this injury is minor in nature,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, obviously it's you know, something that's serious enough

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There to give you an example, I could just

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Speaker 2: We learned the first day of camp that he's on

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, this kind of doesn't surprise me, this

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Speaker 1: because what happens is these guys come in and they

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Speaker 1: They'll just handle the way they want. But I know

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Speaker 1: it's I don't know, it sounds a little bit benign.

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Speaker 1: But what happens is, I'm telling you, you come back

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Speaker 1: you do a lot, You're adrenaline takes over. You've seen it, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Gives and that's why nowadays you don't see players in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they starred them slow if it was CBA is

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Speaker 1: stuff too. So you got to go in and acclimate.

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Speaker 1: And you go out and it's like, okay, guys, welcome

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Speaker 1: I think it's a real thing. I may be crazy,

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Speaker 1: but it really does resonate with me. Is that, you

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Speaker 1: over the course of my career and have seen since.

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Speaker 1: There's a difference in the air when guys come back

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Speaker 1: and it's and its finger quotes are for real. It's

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Speaker 2: There is some Josh Allen news on the business side

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Speaker 2: of things. The Bill's quarterback has been an endorser for

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Speaker 2: a New Era cap, which is the official cap of

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Speaker 2: the NFL, Major League Baseball, and others. He's been an

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Speaker 2: endorser since he came into the league. Now, according to

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Speaker 2: the Sports Business Journal, the Buffalo based cap maker has

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Speaker 2: a job, an office, and a LinkedIn page as new

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Speaker 2: eras Director of Billustration Alan he's going to be the

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Speaker 2: in the company. Hey, he's kind of shaping up the

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Speaker 2: business portfolio I like it because you know, we all

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Speaker 2: know new Air's a Buffalo company, right, I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's awesome. It feels good to have him

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Speaker 2: Uh, Senior vice president of New Era Brand Mark Maidman

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Speaker 2: said at the MLB All Star Game this past week.

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Speaker 2: This is a hometown guy who asked us for a

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Speaker 2: larger role, including a title, so it feels like we

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Speaker 2: checked all the boxes. There will be a charity overlay

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Speaker 2: that feeds contributions to Buffalo's oh Shi Children's Hospital and

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Speaker 2: the Patricia Allen Fund. So my, if I had to guess,

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Speaker 2: I would think any and all holdings, you know, whether

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Speaker 1: Fund, or any salary or compensation money. Yeah, maybe compensation

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Speaker 1: that maybe I don't know, I don't know how that worked,

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Speaker 1: but that hey, that's that's even that's better too, man,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: So keep your eyes peu.

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Speaker 1: That not only checks a lot of boxes for New Era,

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Speaker 1: does for Josh and Buffalo as well the greater region.

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Speaker 1: That's let's go.

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Speaker 2: So he'll be part of a commercial next month that's

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Speaker 2: is kind of cool. I think that's cool deal. That's

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Speaker 2: very cool, especially as you said, since you know New

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Speaker 2: Era is right here. I mean their offices are right

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Speaker 2: on Delaware Ave in downtown Buffalo. So why not have

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Speaker 2: the league MVP who plays for the team in the

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Speaker 2: backyard to uh, to be your front and center, forward

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and plus have a lot of well like on

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Speaker 1: seven to one, sixth day, the Patricia Allen Fund all that,

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Speaker 1: they're all that's on there too. They're all getting they're

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Speaker 1: all getting benefit from it. That's awesome. Yeah, it seems

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Speaker 1: like a really smart thing on everybody's part.

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Speaker 2: Let's go around the NFL presented by Kalida Health, the

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Speaker 2: official healthcare system of the Buffalo Bills, and last night,

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Speaker 2: the Broncos agreed to terms with their first round pick,

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna lose that. He's not gonna lose, not

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Speaker 2: But according to NFL rules, as long as he's unsigned

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Speaker 2: we know why that's in there, to protect teams at

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Speaker 2: Let's just say, if Shamar Stewart's a disappointment and you know.

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Speaker 1: and Shamar Stewart is well within his right to say no.

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Speaker 1: That's Yeah, this whole the NFL is rife with examples

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Speaker 1: So whenever they negotiate, it's not just the Bengals and

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Speaker 1: I don't want that. I'm not signing unless you do this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot in that. There's a lot in that,

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Speaker 2: There you go. Yeah. Washington commander's receiver Terry McLaurin said

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Bill Belichick has responded to a comment made by

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Speaker 2: As I told Robert, let me do this in my Belichick.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll say, yeah, you can say all of that.

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Speaker 1: So I get that that was a risk for him,

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Speaker 1: Yes, for the Jets, Yes, you know, so, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: To me, it seems much ado about nothing. It's two guys.

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Speaker 1: I told I told Robert Kraft years and years that

432
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Speaker 1: I took the risk. You know, they probably laughed about it.

433
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Speaker 2: Maybe, so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I yeah, but.

435
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's been sensationalized a little bit by the media.

436
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Speaker 2: But in any event, to me, it's like, seriously, guys

437
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Speaker 2: like you, you don't have to one up anybody anymore

438
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Speaker 2: in that relationship.

439
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little over that too.

440
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: Finally, former Saints tight end Jimmy Graham is in the

441
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Speaker 2: record books for rowing. Steve mentioned this yesterday to me

442
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: in the office, and then it looked like now it's done.

443
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: Graham and his team completed the Arctic Challenge. They rode

444
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Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty four nautical miles across the Arctic

445
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Speaker 2: Ocean in a little over ten days in what amounted

446
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Speaker 2: to a souped up row boat.

447
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's the pace broke.

448
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 2: The previous record for a team of four by four days,

449
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Speaker 2: almost five full days. They beat the record by They

450
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Speaker 2: beat it officially by four days and change. The previous

451
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Speaker 2: record was fifteen days, five hours, thirty two minutes. They

452
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Speaker 2: did it in a little over ten days.

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Speaker 1: Wow, they shattered it.

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Speaker 2: I mean that is crushing the heck out.

455
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Speaker 1: Of that record. That this and this is no joke

456
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Speaker 1: for those of you have dabbled in this sport, this

457
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Speaker 1: endurance Challenge or what this whatever you call the Arctic Challenge,

458
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Speaker 1: It's for real. These teams are it's a grueling race. Obviously,

459
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Speaker 1: they're in the Arctic Ocean rowing and it is a

460
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Speaker 1: it's a souped up rowboat, but it's a rowboat. Yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: you're sitting out in the no sale, no engine, no water, You.

462
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Speaker 2: Got nothing that's stept your two arms and a couple.

463
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Speaker 1: Of hours, right and hopefully a satellite phone. Right, you

464
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Speaker 1: know that's no Servit got those there the Arctic Ocean,

465
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Speaker 1: like the northern most ocean on the planet. And they

466
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Speaker 1: went from where was it.

467
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Speaker 2: Tromso, Norway, Norway year being spal Bard. Tell me where

468
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Speaker 2: that is on a map. I'll bet you nobody on

469
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Speaker 2: Jeopardy could tell you where that is on a map.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fight hundred and eighty four nautical miles right, and

471
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Speaker 1: the way they here's the other there's storeman.

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Speaker 2: Cruise're talking about this in the office yesterday and steems like, yeah,

473
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Speaker 2: watch out for the orcas. I mean, we've seen the

474
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Speaker 2: viral videos of these orcas tipping ships over and like.

475
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Speaker 1: Yeah, tipping.

476
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Speaker 2: They put their chin like they come out of the water.

477
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Speaker 2: They put their chin on the bow of a boat

478
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Speaker 2: and they slide everything down into their mouth.

479
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Speaker 1: They do it off the They get seals off icebergs

480
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Speaker 1: like that. Little yeah, flows like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm like, yeah, you know what not rowing in

482
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Speaker 2: the Arctic ocean? Hop me.

483
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Speaker 1: We got polar bears swimming around here, Orcas.

484
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Speaker 2: Popping up, tipping the boat over.

485
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Speaker 1: You're a meal? Yeah yeah, orcas swallow orcres seem really intelligent.

486
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Speaker 1: All you see that the stuff about polar bear you

487
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Speaker 1: can't reason with. No, you're not you're not winning that.

488
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Speaker 1: You're not winning that battle.

489
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Speaker 2: You're not winning any of them here and at best,

490
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Speaker 2: both of us on the food chain in the arts, right,

491
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Speaker 2: both of those creatures orcas.

492
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Speaker 1: Obviously, you're not gonna swim. You're not gonna have swim

493
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Speaker 1: with polar bear either. You can outrow a polar bear,

494
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Speaker 1: can you imagine it? That's why that's why they shattered

495
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Speaker 1: the record, and not in the story was the thirteen

496
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Speaker 1: foot polar bear that was stalking them.

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Speaker 2: But I imagine if they're coach or trainer, they're like, look,

498
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Speaker 2: we gotta.

499
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Speaker 1: Beat this record. We want to shatter it, though, but

500
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Speaker 1: what what can we do?

501
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Speaker 2: We don't all the training police. Dude, don't worry. I've

502
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Speaker 2: got a polar bear caged up. It's named and about

503
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Speaker 2: two hundred miles in We're gonna secretly release him overnight

504
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: into the nearby waters. That'll get him moving really fast,

505
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: so the adrenaline will be pumping, will break the rock.

506
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Speaker 1: Would do it too, man, are you kidding?

507
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Speaker 2: Oh? It would do it for me.

508
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Speaker 1: That's the way those rowboats work. The two there's crew

509
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Speaker 1: members are four members. Two of them sleep while two

510
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Speaker 1: of them row, and they just keep growing night and day.

511
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Speaker 1: And man, that's that is really something. Yeah, they shattered

512
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Speaker 1: the record.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good for them. So that's around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Before we go to break, we want to lob out

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Speaker 2: today's topic of discussion today, which is Bills related as

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Speaker 2: you might have expected, want you to give us your

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Speaker 2: one overrated storyline from the Bills ahead of training camp.

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Speaker 2: As we know, national pundits like to throw out a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff, See what sticks if you have an

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Speaker 2: overrated storyline from the Bills. As we sit a week

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Speaker 2: away from training camp, let us know what you believe

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Speaker 2: that to be. Eight oh three oh five point fifty

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Speaker 2: one eighty eight eight five fifty two, five fifty those

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Speaker 2: are the numbers to join us. And we have open

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Speaker 2: phone lines for you right now and in our next

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Speaker 2: segment we are taking your phone calls. We also got

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Speaker 2: Mina chimes from ESPN coming up an hour number two.

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to that chat with her, but your phone

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Speaker 2: New York. Topic of discussion for you today, as we

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Speaker 2: said before the break, give us your one overrated storyline

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Speaker 2: from the Bills ahead of training camp, one that you

544
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Speaker 2: think about and you're like, oh, that's a little overrated.

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Speaker 2: I'm not terribly worried about that. Eight O three oh

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Speaker 2: five fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five

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Speaker 2: fifty that's the number to join us, and we go

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Speaker 2: to the phones, and leading us off today is Gary

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Speaker 2: on Asel, what do you got for us? Gary?

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, how you doing great?

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Speaker 4: I was watching ESPN last week and they had the

552
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Speaker 4: hot seat, the hot coaches in a hot seat again

553
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Speaker 4: that for a year. They got them on the hot seat.

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Speaker 2: Oh they had McDermott on there.

555
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Speaker 3: Oh my Gaves like number five or something.

556
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Speaker 4: I'm like, what I thought.

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Speaker 3: I don't watch national media.

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Speaker 4: I just I just get away from it because they

559
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Speaker 4: just say Atlantics needs to sell them fells. That's word

560
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Speaker 4: of God. They're really gonna fire McDermott.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say that one.

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Speaker 2: That one doesn't die. Why, thanks Gary for the call.

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Speaker 1: You're right to me, that's ridiculous. I mean if the

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Speaker 1: team went two and fourteen, two and fifteen or four

565
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Speaker 1: and thirteen, yeah, you.

566
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Speaker 2: Would understand why people have that opinion.

567
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: But they're winning double They've won double digit games.

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Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you talking about? Whatever?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good one though. That is that is.

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Speaker 1: Completely overrated story line. There's no way if you're I

572
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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't talk to Terry Pgola, but there's

573
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Speaker 1: no way. I mean there is a way. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you can conjure up some scenario where everything goes, you know,

575
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Speaker 1: it all blows up in the They ain't gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: They've got this thing is so solidly built over here,

577
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Speaker 1: you know, the way they run the business, the way

578
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Speaker 1: they run their team, the maximization they get from the

579
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Speaker 1: talent they have in the room, the way they run

580
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Speaker 1: their football out operations, the way they scout, the way

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Speaker 1: they sign players, the way they handle players, the way

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Speaker 1: they treat players. I mean, outside of Sean McDermott losing

583
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Speaker 1: his mind. Literally, that's not I don't think that's on

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Speaker 1: the table.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The one that I was anticipating would be relatively

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Speaker 2: popular was the James Cook contract situation, right. I think

587
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Speaker 2: that was summarily diffused when Cook shows up in mandatory

588
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Speaker 2: mini camp and then, when asked about training camp, said

589
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Speaker 2: it's his intention to be there and Brandon Bean echoed that.

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Speaker 2: So to me, that became an overrated storyline, and yet

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Speaker 2: people are still discussing it. I don't think it will

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Speaker 2: officially die until either a there's a new contract or

593
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Speaker 2: the season lays out and then we get to next offseason. Right,

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Speaker 2: I don't know which way it's gonna go, and I

595
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Speaker 2: don't think anybody else does outside of the Cook camp

596
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Speaker 2: or the Bill's personnel department. That is.

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Speaker 1: That is one that I think that story though, is

598
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Speaker 1: real because he's real.

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Speaker 2: But it can still be overrated, can it?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think I think the one that's overrated is the

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Speaker 1: attention that everybody thinks or the distraction that Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: might be. Oh okay, I think it's real. I mean

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be there.

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Speaker 2: You think the level of distraction is overrated?

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Speaker 1: I think. So here's the thing that we all kind

608
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Speaker 1: of know when we talk about very much. Nothing goes

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Speaker 1: on hard knocks that doesn't fly across the desk of

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Speaker 1: Derek Boycote, Sean McDermot, Brandon Bean. They've review. If they don't,

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Speaker 1: they have somebody who said, who is doing it for

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Speaker 1: them because they're.

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Speaker 2: Busy or flag something and nobody.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Nothing goes out on hard knocks that

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Speaker 1: the head coach GM and maybe even the quarterbackers and

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Speaker 1: player have saying like, I don't want that out there,

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Speaker 1: and they'll they will take it off. They won't. It

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Speaker 1: won't fly. So to me, outside of the extra time

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Speaker 1: you have to do to say yes or no to

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Speaker 1: a clip a film, that's that's not gonna it's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be controversial, you know, it's not gonna be like

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Speaker 1: anything's gonna happen. That's gonna be a distraction for the

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Speaker 1: players because the club won't let it. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: let it that. So to me, it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little extra degree of difficulty getting through it and having

626
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Speaker 1: to take some time to say yes or no. Justice

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Speaker 1: a bunch of film and a bunch of be you know,

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Speaker 1: b roll and all this stuff that they do. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be controversial in any way,

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Speaker 1: shape or form. Yeah, maybe make them busier, but that's

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I I think the element of that that's up

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Speaker 2: for just discussion anyway in terms of the level, in

634
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Speaker 2: terms of how much you want to consider it overrated

635
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: deals with how much the interaction and bonding between players

636
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Speaker 2: is compromised by having a camera in their face. When

637
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Speaker 2: in a normal training camp you might be able to

638
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 2: find some private time to talk about some real stuff

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00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: with a teammate to enhance the bond between you and

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Speaker 2: have you guys pull harder for each other on the field.

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Speaker 2: That could be compromised to some degree. To what degree

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Speaker 2: we will not know until it already happens. So yes,

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Speaker 2: to your point, yes it can be true. But is

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Speaker 2: it still overrated? That's the debate we have here. Eight

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Speaker 2: h three oh five point fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: five point fifty two, five fifty those are the numbers

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Speaker 2: to join us as we are asking you here on

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Speaker 2: the show today, what is one overrated storyline? From the

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Speaker 2: bills ahead of training camp. Back to the phones we

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Speaker 2: go and to Michael in Rochester. What's up?

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Speaker 4: Michael, Hi, Chris and Steve, thank you for taking my call,

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Speaker 4: and as you know that, I'm the one yesterday that

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Speaker 4: talked about the Four Letter Network and their rankings of

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Speaker 4: the Bills players, and I think the most overrated storyline

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Speaker 4: is the Bill's need for a number one wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: I think, as you guys were talking about yesterday, that

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Speaker 4: the Bills are good enough offensively that they don't really

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Speaker 4: necessarily need a go to guy. That last year they

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Speaker 4: were the first team in NFL history they have thirty

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Speaker 4: passing touchdowns and thirty rushing touchdowns in the same season.

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Speaker 4: So I think that death's a very overrated storyline. They

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Speaker 4: let the league at points last year if you coued

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Speaker 4: the playoffs, and I think they're either second or third

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Speaker 4: in points per game. So I think the Bill's offense

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Speaker 4: doesn't need a train for Terry McLaurin or something like that.

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Speaker 4: I think their offense just fined as it is. So

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Speaker 4: I think that's an overrated storyline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd agree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you can even argue, Thanks Michael

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Speaker 2: for the call. I think you could even argue that

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00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 2: they've upgraded the receiving corps from last year. I think

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00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: you have got a leg to stand on with that argument.

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00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: With Joshua Palmer now added Elijah Moore, now added who's

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Speaker 2: an early down separator, Early in the down separator, you

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Speaker 2: know in Joshua Palmer, because those guys are swapped in,

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Speaker 2: you know, essentially for Mac Collins and Amari Cooper. I mean,

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00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 2: Palmer can do every bit as good as what Cooper

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Speaker 2: gave you the second half of the season. I realized

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00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: Cooper was under different circumstances coming in here midseason and

680
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Speaker 2: trying to learn an offensive system. Palmer will get a

681
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: full off season to do that and then more different

682
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Speaker 2: player than Hollins. Maybe doesn't give you as much on

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Speaker 2: special teams, but I think has a lot of potential

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Speaker 2: to give you in the passing game. On the offensive

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Speaker 2: side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think from top to bottom of the receivering corps

687
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Speaker 1: much more gifted than it was a year ago. And

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Speaker 1: I think if even with Keon Coleman uh had with

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Speaker 1: his year of experience, Yeah, I think I think they're

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Speaker 1: just in a much better place. I mean, think about

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Speaker 1: where they were a year ago and where they're at now.

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Speaker 1: And we didn't know who Mac Collins. Nobody knew who

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Speaker 1: Mac Collins was, and he was the guy who played

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Speaker 1: probably the most snaps.

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Speaker 2: Right, because a lot of the other guys missed some

696
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Speaker 2: time with injuries and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Now, Shakir he's as reliable. It's kind of he's you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a guy that you don't mind leaning on. He'd

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Speaker 1: give him a bigger role. But the other guys in

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Speaker 1: the room, with Coleman and the rest a man, I

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Speaker 1: I there are less questions about this wide receiving crew

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Speaker 1: than there was last year, even at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 2: I mean you you still don't know ultimately what Palmer

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Speaker 2: and more two of the new editions are going to

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: give you. So it's it's not it's not that there

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: is a potential there, you just haven't seen it yet.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to argue, well, you don't know

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Speaker 2: what you have, Okay, I'll listen to that.

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Speaker 1: He doings you haven't. You don't know what we have.

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Speaker 1: The guy had seventy catches last year with five different quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: In Cleveland, had sixty one receptions. Come on with four quarterbacks. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: I get it, I get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And he's right. The number one receiver thing

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Speaker 1: has been blown out of the water by the Bills

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Speaker 1: offensive last year.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to talking to Mina Kimes about that.

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Speaker 2: I want to get her take on it, because he's right.

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Speaker 1: The Bills were number two in the league scoring points

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Speaker 1: per game, points per game, right behind Detroit Detroit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I want to talk The reason I

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Speaker 2: want to talk to me and him about it because

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Speaker 2: I want to get a league wide perspective because the

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Speaker 2: Bills aren't the only team that is trying to be

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Speaker 2: successful with this philosophical shift away from a true number

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Speaker 2: one receiver. You know, there are other teams in the

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00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: league that kind of op ate similarly, Packers that have success, Packers, Lions. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you have Aman Rossaint Brown, but can a slot receiver

729
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: really be like a true number one in the traditional sense?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Bill's top receiver, Shakir he's in the slot.

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Speaker 2: Is he a true number one? I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 2: a mon ro Saint Brown might have considered as such,

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Speaker 2: but there are other My point is there's other teams

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Speaker 2: in the league taking a long hard look at approaching

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Speaker 2: their passing game in that fashion. So I want to

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Speaker 2: get mean as perspective on that.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing too, I mean the Chiefs, Travis

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Speaker 1: Kelce was their number one for a lot long time, right,

739
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Speaker 1: I mean, you throw who you want to throw to.

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Speaker 1: Even when I played, Andre Reid was a slot receiver

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Speaker 1: and he was a number one without question. So the

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Speaker 1: number one guy means you throw to him the most.

743
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Speaker 1: And when you've got guys who everybody gets thrown to,

744
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: think about what that does to a defense's mentality. Now

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00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: they have to are going to okay, Now they have

746
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: to coach their guys up on okay, out of this form,

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00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: out of this personnel group, out of this formation, on

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00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: this down and this on this down and distance, in

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00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: this field position. They kind of tend towards going to

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00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: this guy most of the sometimes, right at least they

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00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: did by ten, by ten percent out of one hundred.

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00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: This guy gets that's not a ten and that's and

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00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: that's so your defend your defenders are lining up out there,

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00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: you're on the play clock. They say, okay, where are

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00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,720
Speaker 1: we out on the field. What's the down and distance?

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00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: What are the what's the personnel?

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00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: Okay?

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00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: Where what's the formation? Okay? Now what was that again?

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00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot. It's a lot. So to me,

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00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: it causes more problems than having Jamar Chase and a

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00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: bunch of guys lining up and saying, well, let's start

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Speaker 1: with taking Jamar off every every single down. It simplifies it.

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Speaker 2: H Yeah, straightforward. Yeah, gotta take a break here, but

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Speaker 2: more of your phone calls when we come back. Cory

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00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: in Arkansas are going to lead us off on overrated

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00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: storyline from the Bills ahead of training camp. You tell

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Speaker 2: us what that is for you. Next, you're on one

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Speaker 2: I want to get back to the phones though, where

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Speaker 2: we've been asking you what's the one overrated storyline from

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00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: the Bills for you ahead of training camp. We've had

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00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: some good submissions so far, but now we go to

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Speaker 2: Corey in Arkansas. What you got for us? Corey?

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Speaker 3: I think the James Cook contract situation story kind of

779
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: got overblowed. I mean you look at the way he

780
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 3: came into Mini camp. It was just like another day, right,

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00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: you know, no drama. Yeah, sure he talked to the

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00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 3: media and stuff, but I mean it wasn't that big

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Speaker 3: of a deal, right.

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Speaker 2: My My fear, Corey is it's not going to really

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00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: go away because I think they don't believe the situation

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00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: is fully resolved, which I think for a lot of

787
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: people out there, isn't going to come to a resolution

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00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: unless either a there's a new contract or we get

789
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: to next offseason and something's resolved there. So I fear

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Speaker 2: for you, for you, Corey, that you may be dealing

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00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,280
Speaker 2: with this for a little bit short of an extension

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00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: before the start of the regular season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean that's the thing. I mean, you know,

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00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 3: who knows what beings got in store. You know if

795
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: they're going to you know, renegotiate before training camp or

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00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 3: just let him play throughout the year and deal with

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00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,479
Speaker 3: it next year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't know the plans of the team or

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00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: like always I talk about, we don't know what they

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00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: think about James Cook. Certainly they like him. I mean

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00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: he's been highly productive. He's been exactly everything they wanted

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00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: when they drafted him, right. I mean, he couldn't have

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00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't have done more given the limited care and

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00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: the reps. You know, he doesn't get a full load

805
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: like most guys. They do it by committee. We've seen that.

806
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 1: But he's been great. He was a home run last year.

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00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: He's everything you want him to be. So they like

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00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: him a lot. I think their philosophy might get in

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00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: the way of their affection for him, though, right if

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00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: they feel like the running back is yeah, if their

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00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: running back is just too easy to replace, then you

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00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: don't want to pay the guy that much. If if

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Speaker 1: he's willing to take a contract like Shakir or Epinessa

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Speaker 1: or one of these other guys who is kind of

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Speaker 1: a it's a good contract, but a middle of the

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00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: road contract, not a market changing contract, not a top

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Speaker 1: two contract in the league or top five contract, and

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Speaker 1: money wise, all of that stuff. If he's willing to

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Speaker 1: take one of those kind of deals, he probably they

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Speaker 1: could probably get a deal done. I don't think James

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Speaker 1: Cook needs to settle for that, but it does mean

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Speaker 1: he's got to get through this season if he's going

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Speaker 1: to go to the free agent market. If James Cook

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00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: hits free agency, he's going to hit a contract much

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Speaker 1: the same as Tremaine Edmonds did for Chicago as a linebacker.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's gonna he's gonna hit a home run financially,

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Speaker 1: but I think it hinges on him playing and playing well.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: The only thing, the only time this goes off the

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Speaker 1: rails is if the Bills say, listen, we want you

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Speaker 1: to play this season. We're gonna make you a solid offer,

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Speaker 1: but will allow you to go to free agency after

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Speaker 1: the season. We won't get in your way. You'll have

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Speaker 1: our offer to fall back on, but you can go

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Speaker 1: out and get what you're worth if you want.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Bills could say that, And the only way it

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Speaker 1: goes off the rails is if James Cook says, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna hold in, I'm gonna be around every day. I'm

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Speaker 1: just not gonna play, and you're gonna pay me and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna make us I'm just gonna be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Then it then you've got a problem. Then you I

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00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: think you have to deal with it. You have to

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Speaker 1: deal with it if you're the Bills. And that's that's

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Speaker 1: where the push comes to shove. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's ever gonna get near that.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, it does not seem adversarial. I think

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00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people automatically assume that if somebody wants

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Speaker 2: a new contract, they're unhappy, the relationship's acrimonious, and short

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00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: of a giant windfall of a contract, it's irreparable. And

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Speaker 2: I just don't get the sense that that's where it

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00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: sits with James Cook and the Bills front office, for

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00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: whatever that's worth. We do have to take a break here,

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Speaker 2: but when we come back in hour number two, we're

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Speaker 2: going to be joined by ESPN NFL analyst Mina Chimes,

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Speaker 2: who has some interesting thoughts on Buffalo's offensive line, where

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Speaker 2: she feels Sean McDermott ranks among head coaches in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: and plenty of other stuff like usage of twelve personnel.

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Speaker 2: Could we be seeing more of that from the Bills

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Speaker 2: this season? We investigate with Mina Chimes. Next here on

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Speaker 2: out through the course of your day. Today, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have ESPN NFL analyst Mina Chimes joining us here shortly.

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Speaker 2: I was most interested in talking to her about, you know,

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Speaker 2: her ranking of head coach Sean McDermott on the head

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Speaker 2: coaching rankings. She's got him very near the top. We'll

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Speaker 2: talk to her more about that when we get her

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Speaker 2: on and actually she joins us right now. Going, so

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Speaker 2: we welcome in ESPN NFL analyst Mina Kimes and men,

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Speaker 2: and we know your downtime is about ready to end

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Speaker 2: because training camps are going to be starting, So thanks

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Speaker 2: for giving us some of what is left of your

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Speaker 2: free time to join us here on the show, and

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Speaker 2: as just saying before you hopped on, we know that

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Speaker 2: you are, you know, a proponent of Sean McDermott's head

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Speaker 2: coaching exploits. What is it about, you know, his coaching

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Speaker 2: style that most appeals to you.

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Speaker 6: Oh, that's an interesting question. Well, I think he just

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Speaker 6: deserves a lot of credit for the play of the defense.

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Speaker 6: I'll start there over the last few years. I think

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Speaker 6: the Bills defense. You know, they don't have a stud

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Speaker 6: pass rusher the way you know, like a Cleveland or

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Speaker 6: a Pittsburgh does, and they have really good players, but

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Speaker 6: I think across the roster or across the depth chart,

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Speaker 6: you don't really see that many superstars Matt Milano at times, perhaps,

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Speaker 6: but when you watch them, they're extremely disciplined. The fundamentals

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Speaker 6: are there, and they always I think, play almost I

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Speaker 6: wouldn't say above their talent level. But he gets the

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Speaker 6: most out of the players he has on his roster.

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Speaker 6: You see also the development of players who are drafted

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Speaker 6: outside of the first round. You have some real, really

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Speaker 6: talented guys that Brandon Bean has managed to find later.

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Speaker 6: But I do think McDermott, given that that's his side

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Speaker 6: of the ball, deserves a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 6: They've had turnover to on the coaching staff as well,

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Speaker 6: so you start there. I would also say he gets

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Speaker 6: credit in my mind for making difficult decisions. Moving on

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Speaker 6: from Ken Dorsey was a decision that I was dubious

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Speaker 6: of because the Bills offense was statistically extremely good under Dorsey,

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Speaker 6: but it proved to be the correct one. And then finally,

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Speaker 6: I think as a game manager, he's improved a lot

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Speaker 6: over the years. Sometimes it's hard for defensive coaches to

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Speaker 6: become more aggressive, modernized in terms of approaching game management,

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Speaker 6: and you've really seen that with him.

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Speaker 7: So those are three things that come to mind for me.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that is evident with this

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Speaker 1: defense is you're right the talent levels. They've overcome it

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Speaker 1: with their ability to get turnovers. And it's one of

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Speaker 1: the things that we talk about on the show is

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Speaker 1: being it's so unpredictable. One game you go and you

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Speaker 1: don't get any turnovers, and then you know you struggle defensively. However,

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Speaker 1: for some reason, this team over the last four years

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Speaker 1: has always been a top three, top five team in

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Speaker 1: getting turnovers. I don't know how much credit you can

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Speaker 1: give the coaching staff. But when you ask, they say,

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Speaker 1: you get what you emphasize. But it sounds a little

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Speaker 1: more simple than it is. And basically, the one thing

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Speaker 1: that did bail this defense out last year was their

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Speaker 1: ability to consistently get turnovers, even if even with the

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Speaker 1: long track record four or five years, do you expect

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Speaker 1: it to continue?

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Speaker 7: It's a great question.

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Speaker 6: It's a really important thing to isolate when you talk

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Speaker 6: about this defense. So nerds like me believe that turnovers regress,

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Speaker 6: and when we look for defensive performance regressing next year,

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Speaker 6: that's something that is kind of like a red flag, right.

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Speaker 6: I think I was looking at the FtM fantasy does

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Speaker 6: this great. It's called the Almanac, and the Bills chapter

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Speaker 6: had numbers. If you took out the Bill's turnovers, they

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Speaker 6: were basically an hour age defense.

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Speaker 7: To your point, but this.

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Speaker 6: Is a defense as also, as you have said, has

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Speaker 6: gotten turnovers year after year, and I think some of

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Speaker 6: that is stylistic.

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Speaker 7: This is a very zone heavy defense. It lives in Nickel.

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Speaker 6: I think they've got dbs who play the ball really well,

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Speaker 6: and while the pass rush isn't amongst the NFL's best,

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Speaker 6: is pretty consistent. So the elements are there for them

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Speaker 6: to get turnovers, I think will it likely, you know,

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Speaker 6: regress a little bit probably. I think you're counting on

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Speaker 6: some of the investments that they've made in the draft,

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Speaker 6: particularly on the defensive line, to mitigate that, as well

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Speaker 6: as of course improved play at the second quarterback position.

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Speaker 6: So even if those turnovers come down a little bit,

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Speaker 6: and I do think, you know, typically statistically that does happen,

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Speaker 6: hopefully the talent inflightce the talent that you've added to

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Speaker 6: the roster addresses that to some degree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, talking with ESPN, NFL andlist Meana Kimes is joining

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Speaker 2: us here, and you know, you mentioned on defense how

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Speaker 2: there wasn't a lot of elite player talent, and I

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Speaker 2: think they've taken a similar philosophical approach to their wide

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Speaker 2: receiving corps. After they traded Stefan Diggs last year, it

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Speaker 2: was clear they made this philosophical shift that they were

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Speaker 2: going to move away from a true alpha number one

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Speaker 2: receiver and just have a collection of very good receivers

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Speaker 2: who from receiver one to receiver five, there isn't a

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Speaker 2: tremendous amount of talent difference. And all they did was

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Speaker 2: go out and become the first team to score thirty

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Speaker 2: rushing and thirty passing touchdowns in a single season, and

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Speaker 2: when we got past the Super Bowl, they had scored

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Speaker 2: more points than any team in the league if you

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Speaker 2: count the postseason in there. What do you make of

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Speaker 2: that philosophical shift number one? Does it have staying power?

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Speaker 2: And should we take anything from the fact that there

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Speaker 2: are a couple of other teams in the league that

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Speaker 2: have taken that approach as well, the Packers for example,

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Speaker 2: So maybe just roll all that together in a ball

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Speaker 2: for me with that philosophical shift, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: It's really interesting.

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Speaker 6: Were all lapped at the Billy b or Brandon Bean

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Speaker 6: kind of getting a little bit riled up about the

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Speaker 6: not adding the number one receiver, But I fundamentally I

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Speaker 6: agree with him. It was, in my mind important to

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Speaker 6: focus on the defense. You know, when you think about

1035
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Speaker 6: this team and why didn't they get over the hump,

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Speaker 6: I think about second cornerback being mercilessly targeted in the postseason.

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Speaker 7: I think about the lack of a pass rush.

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Speaker 6: I think about the need to add interior defensive line

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Speaker 6: dep So his approach to me makes sense. That said,

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Speaker 6: you know, when you run ANFL team in a hard

1041
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Speaker 6: salary cap sport, you have to make difficult decisions, and

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Speaker 6: that is where they have chosen to. You know, you

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Speaker 6: might say under invest betting on not only the importance

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Speaker 6: of investing the defense, but also if you have a

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Speaker 6: dominant run game, a dominant offensive line, and an MVP quarterback,

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Speaker 6: you can skimp there a bit. Because of that dominant

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Speaker 6: run game, because of the quarterback, defenses play them in

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Speaker 6: a way where you create opportunities for the receivers you

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Speaker 6: do have, So maybe you don't need a guy like

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Speaker 6: a Justin Jeffer and Jamar Chase who the you know,

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Speaker 6: defense that your foot playing has to completely key in on.

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Speaker 6: I think there is something to that. I still wish

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Speaker 6: they had one. I'm not gonna lie. I wish that

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Speaker 6: they had a little bit more speed. I mentioned this

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Speaker 6: in NFL Live. You know, Josh Allen's splits were worse

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Speaker 6: versus man coverage than zone, and the Bills face a

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Speaker 6: lot of man coverage. I wish they had a man beater.

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Speaker 6: That's not a Josh Allen stat right, that's about the

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Speaker 6: pass catchers. But ultimately, given the decisions that they had

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Speaker 6: to make, I think they're understandable, especially given again they

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Speaker 6: need to prioritize the defense.

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Speaker 1: And they do. They have said in the past this

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Speaker 1: complimentary football. It was a catchphrase for a minute for

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott, and certainly they played that. This is an

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Speaker 1: offense that Wiley scored all those points we talked about,

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Speaker 1: they were fifty to fifty almost run pass, which I

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Speaker 1: mean that's you talk this pendulum swing swung back drastically

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Speaker 1: from throwing at two thirds of the time. Is that

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Speaker 1: a deliberate Do you think that's deliberate because of the

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Speaker 1: defense or do you think it's just part of an

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Speaker 1: overall philosophy.

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Speaker 7: I think it's to philosophy. Yeah. The state of the NFL.

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Speaker 6: I just did a podcast with Dan er Lavski, my

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Speaker 6: co hosts on the NFL Live, where we talked about

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Speaker 6: offensive trends and basically how much offenses over the last

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Speaker 6: two or three years in particular, have leaned into running

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Speaker 6: the football in response to defenses going lighter. Right over

1078
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 6: the last prior five years or so, As defenses have

1079
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 6: gone lighter, as with Buffalo being a prime example, Nickel

1080
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 6: being the new base, there is an advantage to having

1081
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 6: a team that could just pound the rock, that can

1082
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 6: get into heavy personnel that can force run past conflict,

1083
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 6: and I think Buffalo is wise to lean into that

1084
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 6: because stylistically it is the best offenses in the league

1085
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 6: right now can run the football. The top four offenses

1086
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 6: I've mentioned this on the pod in DVOA, Buffalo of

1087
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 6: course being one of them. We're also the top four

1088
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 6: rushing offenses in football. That's just stated the league. Doesn't

1089
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 6: mean it's going to be that way for all of

1090
00:58:59,040 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 6: Josh Allen's career.

1091
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 7: Because he's so good.

1092
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 6: You could go into different different directions philosophically, maybe you

1093
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 6: find a receiver that you know, a gem who and

1094
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 6: you end up pivoting away and being a little bit

1095
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 6: more pass heavy. But I think in terms of like

1096
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 6: where football is right now, the quarterback you have the

1097
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 6: strength of your team, it makes perfect.

1098
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: Sense dovetailing off of that. You know, we know the

1099
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: Bills were one of the teams that played that jumbo

1100
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: package with Alec Anderson as a sixth offensive lineman almost

1101
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: more than anybody. I think it was around fifteen percent

1102
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 2: by the time the season was over in terms of

1103
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: percentage of snaps. And now, even though it's kind of

1104
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: under the radar, they have a fifth round pick in

1105
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: Jackson Hawes, who's more of a traditional why tight end,

1106
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: and it's got everybody wondering, hey, this is your new

1107
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: third tight end? Are we going to see more thirteen personnel?

1108
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: Knowing the success the Chiefs have had with that personnel

1109
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: grouping in recent years, so I'm wondering if if it

1110
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: even goes another step further. Granted, that's maybe a lot

1111
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: to put on the plate of a rookie fifth round pick,

1112
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: but you know, Jackson Hawes is former Yale, so you know,

1113
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: smart kid, quick on the uptake and finished up at

1114
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech, which is no slouch of a school either,

1115
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: so I think he can handle it. But what do

1116
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 2: you think about maybe more teams copycatting the Chiefs to

1117
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: some extent with some more thirteen personnel in light of

1118
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 2: where you think the run game's head.

1119
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, multiple tight ends is another trend that we're seeing statistically.

1120
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 6: I mean, twelve personnel hit a all time high last year.

1121
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,560
Speaker 6: Since we started tracking it at True Media for twenty

1122
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 6: years or so, you know, I have been kind of

1123
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 6: wanting the Bills to lean into more multiple tight end sets,

1124
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 6: and when they drafted Kincaid, I think that was the hope,

1125
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 6: but then you know there's health issues it with him

1126
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 6: and Knoxby on the field the same time, right, And

1127
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 6: I always think about there was a playoff game, maybe

1128
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 6: it was two years ago where they used a ton

1129
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 6: of Reggie Gilliam and I thought, this is it's happening.

1130
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Speaker 7: The Bills are.

1131
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 6: Finally I don't know, you guys probably no better than I,

1132
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 6: but they keep going back to the eleven and I

1133
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 6: think it would be immensely valuable for them to be

1134
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 6: able to put three tight ends on the field again.

1135
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 6: When you have a run game as dominant as Buffalo,

1136
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 6: when you have a quarterback who's as much of a

1137
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 6: dual threat as him, and then you have, you know,

1138
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 6: multiple tight ends who can you can hunt mismatches with,

1139
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 6: it's just going to make the past.

1140
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 7: Game that much more dynamics. So I would love to

1141
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 7: see that from the Bills.

1142
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: How many how many more question marks are there on

1143
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: this roster then there were just twelve months ago it

1144
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: seems like particularly offensively had a ton of question marks

1145
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver spot. James Cook was finally going

1146
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: to be the lead dog, you know, Kincaid entering his

1147
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: second season, and now this year after having this guy

1148
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: mc hollins we do nothing about now this year. The

1149
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: guys that they brought in have pedigrees, were actually better

1150
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: than mac hollins was when he came here last year

1151
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: with more and the rest. What do you think, Parlor? Yeah?

1152
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: Are there more question marks? Are fewer headed into the

1153
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: season for the Bills?

1154
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 6: Ah, it's a good question. I think Offensively it's less,

1155
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 6: I would say question marks because you've got a lot

1156
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 6: of solid players, Josh Palmer super solid here solid. The

1157
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 6: question for me is not like, oh, are they're gaping

1158
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 6: They aren't gaping holes.

1159
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 7: On this offense.

1160
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 6: It's more just like, can any of these past catchers

1161
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 6: pass cutter? They think cole min Andkka are the two

1162
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 6: guys we keep looking at really take a leap forward

1163
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 6: and be that man coverage beater that we talked about.

1164
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 6: Be a guy Josh Allen can lean on to get

1165
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 6: you a bucket on third down in a high leverage

1166
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 6: situation in the postseason. Defensively, I think there actually are

1167
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 6: some question marks. You know, Bosa's health is a question mark.

1168
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: T J.

1169
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 6: Sanders can he step up right away? Can you play

1170
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 6: three downs? What can they get out of him?

1171
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: Where?

1172
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 6: How do they use him? That's a question mark Harrison.

1173
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 6: Can he immediately step in because he's going to get

1174
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 6: targeted right if he plays? What does that look like

1175
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 6: Cole Bishop taking a leap? So there's young there's young

1176
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 6: players there, and I think that's more where I'm like, Okay,

1177
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 6: I want to see how this plays out before I

1178
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 6: know how to feel about this defense.

1179
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 7: Offensively, I'm not worried.

1180
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: And then finally before we let you go. I mean,

1181
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 2: and just an overarching view of the AFC East, there's

1182
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: a lot of us here in Buffalo that feel like

1183
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: New England's going to be a much tougher out this

1184
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: year with Vray Bull as head coach. May in year two,

1185
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 2: even though the offensive line there still needs some work,

1186
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 2: we expect them to be a more formidable group on

1187
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. And I think we

1188
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: believe that they're going to be the toughest doubt over

1189
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: the Dolphins and the Jets. The Dolphins seem to have

1190
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 2: a culture problem. The Jets are in year one under

1191
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: another rebuild. So how do you kind of see this

1192
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: division shaking out?

1193
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,880
Speaker 6: I mean, I think the Bill's pretty still easily there

1194
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 6: every right to be honest right, I said that last year.

1195
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 7: It's funny.

1196
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 6: I think last year I saw a lot of like rhetoric,

1197
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 6: the Bill's taking a step back, and I remember doing

1198
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 6: my AFC spot and You're like, no what, I feel

1199
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 6: crazy that this is even a conversation. Feel the same

1200
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 6: way this year. I think this year, you know, there's

1201
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 6: a lot less skepticism. And actually, I'm I'm doing Leaving

1202
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 6: the AFC East on my podcast next week, so Bills fans.

1203
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 7: Check that a time show featuring Lenny. But yeah, I

1204
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 7: guess you're right.

1205
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 6: I would say the Patriots definitely our team on the rise,

1206
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 6: but I think that's a pretty significant gap to close

1207
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 6: with Buffalo.

1208
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the Jets and the dollh and I

1209
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: don't know about the Dolphins. To me, seem just like

1210
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: a team ready to implode.

1211
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 7: They're going to the other direction.

1212
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, just some roster decisions. It's major holes on that defense,

1213
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 6: question marks and the offensively.

1214
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: You know, good stuff, good stuff, Mina, Thanks so much

1215
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: for taking some time. I know you're you're the season

1216
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: is gonna crank up in a minute and we're all

1217
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: going to be busy, but thanks for taking a minute.

1218
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 7: Well, I appreciate you guys always ask the best questions.

1219
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me on.

1220
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 2: Thank you ESPN, NFL analysts, MENA times joining us. And yeah,

1221
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: check out our podcast next week. It's gonna be previewing

1222
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: the AFC East. I mean, we all know that the

1223
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: Bills are the clear favorite, as she just said, but

1224
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: how do how do things stack up behind them? Who

1225
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 2: might be pursuing them person you know? And yeah, I

1226
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 2: mean you kind of just want to know, like how

1227
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 2: should we handicap this? Like we feel good about, you know,

1228
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 2: the Bill still being tops in the division, but you know,

1229
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: who do we have to just keep an eye on

1230
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 2: just a little bit.

1231
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 1: It's gonna be it always we forget in the off

1232
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: season how much things change during the season. Forget about

1233
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: the off season, all the roster turnover stuff. Once you

1234
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 1: get set and you take off in the first month

1235
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: and you finally get to week five and it's like, oh, yeah,

1236
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 1: now we got a matchup problem here. You know, the

1237
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: Miami's gonna have this guy. They're doing something, they are

1238
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: having some success doing this. We got to watch this guy.

1239
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: That's all fun to watch develop. But from this end

1240
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 1: of it, you're right, Brian, You've been calling it, and

1241
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: I would agree most people are just like Mina and

1242
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: you and now me Miami is there's they're headed downhill.

1243
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: They're they're ripe for they are a troubled seam.

1244
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: They're a house of cards. Right now, we have not

1245
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 1: seem well. I like, I got a lot of respect

1246
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: for Mike McDaniel. He doesn't seem like a guy that

1247
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,479
Speaker 1: can is the glue there, right.

1248
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: I think he's an excellent play call. Oh yeah, but

1249
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's a leader of men in

1250
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 2: the way that head coaches in this league need to

1251
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: lead men.

1252
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,040
Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, that's one of the things

1253
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: that's one of the strongest qualities a head coach needs

1254
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: to be successful. You've got a group of guys, and

1255
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: think about what it is to stand in front of

1256
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: a pro football team and command the room. It's not

1257
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 1: it's a tough crowd, and.

1258
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: Well it's a group of alpha males exactly Like it's

1259
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 2: hard just to get to the league, let alone play

1260
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: and succeed in the league as an athlete.

1261
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: You got a bunch of guys that are there, and

1262
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: they're all there. Yeah, so you got it. It's hard

1263
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: to catch their attention and to hold it and to hold.

1264
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 2: It and then respect you in turn. And they've give

1265
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: you their best every time out.

1266
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: And let's let's face it, the rhetoric coming out of

1267
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: there from guys who have played there and who are

1268
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: no longer there and who have and the coaching changes

1269
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: that have happened, it has not been complimentary.

1270
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, not to mention the fact that the front office

1271
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 2: has made some dubious decisions. You know, you let Christian

1272
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: Wilkins walk and you hand Jalen Ramsey an extension a

1273
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: thirty year old corner and neither of them are going

1274
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: to be there.

1275
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: That's dumb.

1276
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 2: So it's just and that's not the only one. There

1277
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 2: are several others, you know.

1278
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get it too. We don't know what

1279
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: goes on inside the walls. We don't know their evaluation

1280
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: process and all that. So we're, you know, we're just

1281
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 1: like every other you know, like all our buddies who

1282
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: are sitting around on Monday morning. Sounded really smart because

1283
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: they know how it turned out, right, So we could

1284
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: be totally off the mark on Miami.

1285
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't think I doubt it. I don't think we

1286
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: are We're still discussing some overrated storylines from the bills

1287
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 2: ahead of training camp. You let us know what you

1288
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 2: think those might be. Eight oh three zero five fifty

1289
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty to get

1290
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: on board with us. And you know, among some of

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Speaker 2: the topics that were brought to light James Cook's contract situation,

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Speaker 2: Steve mentioned the hard Knocks distraction at training camp. He

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Speaker 2: thinks that's been a little overrated. And there have been

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Speaker 2: others that have been brought up as well, including you know,

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Speaker 2: the persistent thing of coach on the hot seat and

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Speaker 2: putting a guy like Sean McDermott on that list that

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Speaker 2: that's overrated. So you let us know if there's an

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Speaker 2: overrated storyline you have in mind. We had another caller

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Speaker 2: before saying the Receiving Corps, you know, being considered not

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Speaker 2: good enough. It's like, scored more points than anybody last year.

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Speaker 2: What's the problem. So and you could and as Steve

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Speaker 2: and I said, you can argue the Receiving Corps is

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Speaker 2: even more talented this year than it was last year

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Speaker 2: going into the season. So with that in mind, I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to crack open the tweets sheet here before

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Speaker 2: we get to the break for some of the overrated storylines.

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Speaker 2: You have their tweet sheet brought to you by Corrigan

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Speaker 2: Moving Systems, the equipment moving company at the Buffalo Bills,

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Speaker 2: where Jack says Dalton Kincaid and Keon Coleman's progress. I

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Speaker 2: think too much was made about what the GM and

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Speaker 2: coach said last year at the end of the year.

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Speaker 2: Of course Coleman needs to mature. He was a twenty

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Speaker 2: one year old rookie, and sure Kincaid can get a

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Speaker 2: little stronger. I am confident in year two and three

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Speaker 2: both of them will take huge steps. If Steve, if

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Speaker 2: both of them do that, you're talking about force multipliers

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Speaker 2: for the option.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that changes a lot everything because you've got

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Speaker 1: Shakir who is a is a fully established, very productive

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Speaker 1: player in the National Football League, and you put a

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Speaker 1: Keon Coleman on that with who's a tough physical matchup,

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Speaker 1: and of course Kinkaid, who's coming out and is too

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Speaker 1: much for any linebacker or at least most linebackers to

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Speaker 1: hang in there with. Yeah, that that changes things. When

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Speaker 1: Josh drops back to throw the football, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with Jack that you know, certainly Keon has said all

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Speaker 1: the right things in the off season, and don't forget

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Speaker 1: when when these players have exit interviews when they tell

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Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid that you need to get a little stronger,

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Speaker 1: a little better, and they had some words for Keon

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Speaker 1: Coleman as well, and these guys don't take that lightly.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, they're gonna be different players halfway through this

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Speaker 1: Sea coming season, completely different players than they were twelve

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Speaker 1: months ago at that time, particularly if they're healthy.

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Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we come back more

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Speaker 2: of your phone calls at eight h three zero five

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Speaker 2: fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 2: We'll check out some of the tweets that are trickling

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Speaker 2: in as well. Here on Give seven to one six

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Speaker 2: day on One Bill's Live, presented by a lot of Health.

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Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right. Here we are One

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Speaker 2: Bills Live on a Wednesday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you,

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Speaker 2: talking about the one overrated storyline from the Bills for

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Speaker 2: you ahead of training camp. We've had some good contributions

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Speaker 2: to the show here thus far. Today we're looking at

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Speaker 2: some on the tweets sheet now where Tom says that

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Speaker 2: the offense needs a true wide receiver one. We were

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Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship last year with this offense, you know,

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Speaker 2: And we just had the discussion with Mina Kimes about that,

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Speaker 2: and she said, look, I'd still like them to have

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Speaker 2: a true number one, but you know, they've proven that

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Speaker 2: they have a very prolific passing game without one. And

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Speaker 2: Steve and I have already said it on today's show

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Speaker 2: and on others that I think it's very fair to

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Speaker 2: make the argument that going into this season, the talent

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Speaker 2: level in the projected receiver one through five is probably

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Speaker 2: more talented than the receivers won through five at this

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Speaker 2: time last year, at least.

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Speaker 1: More proven because they've got longer reels of film to

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Speaker 1: watch at the pro level. This this whole thing about

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Speaker 1: the number one wide receiver number one what she got into,

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Speaker 1: and that when we got down to the weeds of

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Speaker 1: the exes and o's and stuff, she wants somebody can

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Speaker 1: win in man coverage. The Bills get a lot of

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Speaker 1: man coverage because of the they don't have that alpha

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Speaker 1: dog who can get open against anybody, So teams will

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Speaker 1: play man thinking they match up at a deeper level

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Speaker 1: and win that way. But you know, obviously with Joe calling,

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady calling the plays and Josh Allen throwing the

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Speaker 1: football and James Cook coming out of the backfield and

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. It didn't work that way, or they

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Speaker 1: just run the ball, or joshould run right up the back.

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Speaker 1: So there's just two many ways to.

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Speaker 2: Play man coverage and turn your back to Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: You're taking a ring, right, So they won that way

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Speaker 1: without it. Now I'll say this too, And we had

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Speaker 1: talked Brownie and I have talked about this a ton

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Speaker 1: about the wide receiver room. When when Diggs was here,

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Speaker 1: when Gabe Davis was here, the evaluation and the priority list.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can argue it has really changed

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Speaker 1: in the last four years. They went from getting guys

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Speaker 1: who were what digs and even gave Davis to guys

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Speaker 1: who are like Khalil Shakir and Dalton Kinkaid. They catch

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Speaker 1: the ball. When he throw them the ball, they catch it.

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Speaker 1: Shakira has the highest catch rate percentage in the league

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Speaker 1: or it is near the top of the league, from

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Speaker 1: front to back, start to finish. He's always right there.

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Speaker 1: When he throw them the ball, he catches it. Same

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Speaker 1: thing with kin Kaid Kinkaid catches the ball when you

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Speaker 1: throw it to him. That's the same thing. These guys

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Speaker 1: coming in with the new wide receiver group. Not only

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Speaker 1: are they good high percentage catch guys, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Josh Palmer, Elijah Moore a route run. So the Bills

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Speaker 1: went from whatever they were with Diggs and Gabe Davis and.

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Speaker 2: You know, or even Hollins last year and maclaurin Cooper.

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Speaker 1: Now they're getting guys who are route runners and catchers.

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Speaker 1: I'm so that's that has changed, and I think they're

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Speaker 1: still trying to get that. It's where you know, you

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Speaker 1: just don't want to see the ball on the ground.

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Speaker 1: Even you look back to last year, you'll see times.

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Speaker 1: You know, the catch the Kincaid in the Kansas City game.

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Speaker 2: Oh, at the very end, I can't believe.

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Speaker 1: He didn't catch that. It was a tough catch. I

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01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: mean it was like wow, if you catch it, it's like,

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01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,920
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. But if Josh is getting to get

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01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: it there, you want guys that can catch it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I would have bet Kinkaid was going to

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Speaker 1: pull that in and I think he was. I went

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Speaker 1: back and watched some of the games earlier in the year,

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Speaker 1: Keon had a couple of throws like that. Tough catch, yes,

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Speaker 1: but man, oh man, you gotta make it. You got

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Speaker 1: to make it at this level. So I think that

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Speaker 1: the team and its evaluation process of these wide receivers

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Speaker 1: are looking at vastly different things. And people say, well, yes,

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Speaker 1: speed is always a thing, but I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: the top of the list of this group. I think

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Speaker 1: it's route running, separation and catch percentage. That's what I

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Speaker 1: think is now. Certainly that you'd love to have a

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Speaker 1: guy that can take the lid off, okay, and you're

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Speaker 1: never gonna stop hearing it until you find a guy

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Speaker 1: that runs a four to two.

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Speaker 2: But those are low percentage plays anywhere.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And it's and as Bills, as the Bills

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Speaker 1: prove every time they play Miami, just keep a lid

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Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, you just negate it. So I'm I

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Speaker 1: think they're getting more effective skill sets with their evaluation

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Speaker 1: process and the guys they choose than other teams are

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Speaker 1: who've got an alpha dog and a and a race

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Speaker 1: car out there.

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Speaker 2: And there's and there's I mean, I don't know this,

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Speaker 2: but I would surmise there's analytics evidence that supports that approach,

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Speaker 2: and they're probably thinks to apply a baseball analogy here,

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Speaker 2: We'll just keep hitting singles and doubles and moving the

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Speaker 2: runners around. We don't need to hit home run.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep crossing the plate one We'll keep.

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Speaker 2: Scoring points with singles and doubles rather than you know,

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Speaker 2: home runs. So I think there is probably analytic evidence

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Speaker 2: that supports that approach for them, and that's why they

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Speaker 2: added the receivers they did to your point, because I

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Speaker 2: think their analytics team said, yeah, that's a good idea,

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Speaker 2: keep doing that right. So Joey's overrated storyline from the

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Speaker 2: Bills is that the suspensions will allow land and Jackson

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Speaker 2: to get more reps than usual, and he has the

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Speaker 2: talent and attitude to blossom under the tutelage of our

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Speaker 2: fabulous coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: There's a tinge of sarcasm. I don't think Buffalo.

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Speaker 2: Joey's not super high Land and Jackson. I understand you've

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Speaker 2: probably heard it from multiple people. I Landin Jackson was

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01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: my favorite pick of the draft class. I like some

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01:16:57,439 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 2: of the other picks, but where they got him in

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01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 2: terms of value and the potential that he has, I

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01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 2: feel he could be an early contributor for this team. Now,

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01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: obviously we know he's on active pup right now, and

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01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: we'll have to see how long he sits there before

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Speaker 2: he can get on the training camp practice field. We'll

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Speaker 2: probably find out more next week when Sean McDermot addresses

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Speaker 2: the media at the opening of training camp. But look,

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Speaker 2: I mean, is that overrated? I don't know. Maybe you've

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Speaker 2: just heard it too much and you're tired of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's wait and see.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you think land and Jackson is just going to

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Speaker 1: be another guy.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, But the bottom line is this, the Bills

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Speaker 2: defensive staff has to develop some young players here quickly

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01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 2: because they're going to need to play the first six

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Speaker 2: games of the season, like playing a rotational role where

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Speaker 2: they're getting thirty to thirty five snaps a game. So

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Speaker 2: they have to be game ready where a coach can

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Speaker 2: put them out there and for the most part, trust

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Speaker 2: they're going to execute what's being called, have any mental eras,

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Speaker 2: not have any busts that let a huge run leak out,

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Speaker 2: like the first run from scrimmage in the Sunday night

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Speaker 2: game against Baltimore in Week four.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: You have to be able to trust a rookie that

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Speaker 2: he can execute the assignments you give him.

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Speaker 1: The top guys that the top four edge rushers after well,

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Speaker 1: it's Greg Russeau and aj Epanessa who kind of are entrenched.

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Speaker 1: The other two guys are Landon Jackson and Joey Bosa.

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Speaker 1: You know, Michael Hoyt haven't seen him, although we expect to.

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Speaker 2: You got Javon Solomon, but he's not one of the

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Speaker 2: longer players at defensive end, and they like length, especially

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Speaker 2: on rundowns. They set the edge.

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Speaker 1: I think they they'd be willing to set aside for

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Speaker 1: some production. Well, yeah, that's true, right, Yeah, but you

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Speaker 1: got Dwayne Carter from last year's draft that's inside. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: these are inside, t J. Sanders, Dion Walker, Dwayne Carter,

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Speaker 1: and then day Kwon that's right, and Day one and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Sanders if they can get him signed and Daykon. It's

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Speaker 1: it's really gonna be interesting to see these guys take shape.

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Speaker 1: And we talked about it yesterday. How many the extra

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01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,840
Speaker 1: degree of difficulty they've got in finding out who's gonna play,

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Speaker 1: even in with the first six weeks with the suspensions

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Speaker 1: and who's gonna play, how much are they gonna play,

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Speaker 1: what are they gonna ask to do, who are they

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Speaker 1: gonna play with? What combinations? All that's out there. But

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Speaker 1: I think that's a storyline and it's not specifically about

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01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: Landon Jackson, like Joey's tweet says, but I think that's

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Speaker 1: a storyline that you can't overrate. I mean, you got

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Speaker 1: let can we just can we get a top ten

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Speaker 1: sack team, let alone top five?

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Speaker 2: Well, two years ago they were second in the league

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 2: with fifty three sacks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right.

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01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: Last year they slipped to thirty six sacks or thirty

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01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: eight sacks, and I think they were eighteen in the league,

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01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 2: so it was a considerable.

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Speaker 1: Drop in a top five, you know.

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Speaker 2: Seth On the tweet, she says, Overrated James Cook. I

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01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 2: think he will sign during camp for twelve and a

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,720
Speaker 2: half or thirteen million a year for two years. If not,

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 2: we lose the home run thread at running back eventually,

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01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: but we'll still be top three in the league. Underrated TJ.

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01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 2: Sanders needs to sign. I think he will be the

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01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 2: consistent impact et that Ed has not been. I mean

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01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 2: Ed Oliver basically has one big year. His nine and

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01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 2: a half sax season in twenty twenty three. Last year inconsistent. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think that's a fair description.

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this though there were moments last year

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01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: where he was disruptive.

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01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,840
Speaker 2: The Lions game comes to mind, but he's going against

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01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 2: a backup guard in that game.

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Speaker 1: That's right, He's you ride the roller coaster with Ed

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01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:57,719
Speaker 1: Sometimes the highs are really good, but it's not always

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01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: that way, and that's that's frustrat So yeah.

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Speaker 2: Down to down consistency from a player of his caliber,

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01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:08,679
Speaker 2: with his talent level, as a former top ten draft choice,

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01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 2: it should be more consistent down to down, and it

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01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 2: was in twenty twenty three. It went back to what

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01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 2: it had been the previous three years in twenty twenty four.

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01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: So if he's not going to find somebody else who is,

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01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 2: and that might be TJ. Sanders, it very well might be.

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Speaker 2: But he is one of those second round picks thirty

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01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: of which there are right now that are unsigned because

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01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 2: of this fully guaranteed contract for the first two guys

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01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:44,800
Speaker 2: in round two that signed already, So there's no indication

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01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 2: that these guys are going to be signing anytime soon

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01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: as we know, though, deadlines bring action, so hopefully with

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01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 2: teams reporting to training camp here in the coming days,

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01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: we'll see more of that, but I do know that

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01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: Chargers have already reported to training camp because I think

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01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: they're in the Hall of Fame game this year with

1543
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: Antonio Gates going in, so they start a week early.

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01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 2: They're already at training camp, and their second round pick

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01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 2: is not there because he's unsigned, so he's officially a holdout.

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01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 2: And I imagine there will be more guys added to

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01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,040
Speaker 2: that list come next week. We're hoping TJ. Sanders isn't

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01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 2: one of them.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: Jacob on the tweet sheet says the Bill's lack of

1551
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: success getting over the hump from the postseason is overrated,

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 2: between coaching, miss cues in thirteen seconds, the adversity in

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01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 2: twenty three, bad luck with injuries at linebacker Benford, safety

1554
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: Von Miller. If the Chiefs had this adversity, Bills would

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01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: have conquered them by now. The Bills are ready. So

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 2: Jacob kind of wants to bury the hatchet on playoff shortcomings. Yeah,

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01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,519
Speaker 2: he thinks that's overrated. There have been some extenuating circums dances.

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01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Some of it.

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01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 2: Has been self inflicted, but some of it has been

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01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 2: bad luck, like, for example, the twenty the January twenty

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01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:16,760
Speaker 2: four playoffs. Okay, not last year, the year before. They

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01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 2: run down the Dolphins in Week eighteen, win the division,

1563
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 2: get the two seed, right, but they lose Rasul Douglas

1564
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: to a knee injury, Taylor Rapped to a calf injury,

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01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 2: and Gabe Davis to a PCL injury, and I think

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01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 2: there was one other. Oh, Tyrell Dotson gets hurt, right,

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01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,760
Speaker 2: So they go into the Steelers game, which by the way,

1568
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,960
Speaker 2: gets delayed a day by a snowstorm, and they play

1569
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: the Steelers shorthanded and beat him anyway pretty handily, but

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01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: then they lose two more players. Bernard gets hurt, right,

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01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 2: and they got to play the Chiefs the next week

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01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 2: without Terrell Bernard Dotson hobbling around, and Rasseul Douglas on

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 2: one leg who doesn't finish the game. Benford gets it's

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01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: hurt in the game. And you've got Kyrie elam And

1575
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 2: and Dane Jackson out there covering the top two receivers

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01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 2: for the Chiefs. No linebackers because aj Klein is playing

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01:24:10,120 --> 01:24:13,719
Speaker 2: with Tyrrel dust Like that's bad luck. That's bad luck.

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01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's and it's and it's not it's not coaching,

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01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: it's not it's it's talent. It's you just get down

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01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 1: the roster, and it's you're beat up and you're tired,

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01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 1: and and the other.

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01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 2: It's a battle of a trail here just as much

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01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 2: as it is it is. You know x'es and o's and.

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01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: You know, nobody and I'll say this to nobody cares

1585
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: because everybody has to go through the same eighteen game

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01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,600
Speaker 1: schedule and the same but a little luck and you

1587
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: do need but you do need some luck, and you

1588
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: do need some things that need to go your way

1589
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 1: that are not in your control, just like it happens

1590
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: for the teams who win it all they need some

1591
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: stuff to go their way, and lo and behold it.

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01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: It happens for him, and then they're able to, you know,

1593
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: take advantage and hold their into the bargain up on

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01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: the things that they can control. So you know, there's

1595
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,840
Speaker 1: a there's a million moving parts, you know there is,

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: and you've you gotta be prepared for it. You don't

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01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: know where it's gonna happen. You're right, that's a that's

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01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: a great example of January twenty four, after the twenty

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01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: three regular season playoffs, you're thinking, oh, he's like hitting me.

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Speaker 2: They win their last five games, run down the Dolphins

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01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 2: in the decision, and get punished for it.

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01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,439
Speaker 1: I'll say this too. You and I were sitting here

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01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: doing those games two years ago in the playoffs, and

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01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: you could in the regular season, the last month of

1605
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 1: the season you knew the Bills were gonna walk them down.

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01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: You could feel it. I remember saying, man, the Dolphins

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01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 1: cannot win because they can't play against good teams. They

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01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: had a rough schedule coming down the stretch and the.

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01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 2: Bills had one win against the team all year.

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01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: They and the Bills were lumping people up coming down

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01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: the stretch, and certainly they would have got in as

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01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,200
Speaker 1: a wild card anyway, but they got in as the

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01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 1: two seed. I mean that, come on, yeah, And then

1614
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: then and then guys start maybe yeah two yeah, guys

1615
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: start just dropping. It was so bad.

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01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: Gotta take a break here. One final segment to go.

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01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 2: We'll get some final thoughts on the tweet sheet and

1618
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: will provide you with a statistic about training camp. The trend.

1619
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 2: How many teams still go away to training camp. The

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01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,839
Speaker 2: number may surprise you. We'll tell you what that percentage

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01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 2: is next here on one Bill's Love The final thoughts

1622
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 2: on a tweetshet here as we've been asking you for

1623
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:35,760
Speaker 2: your number one overrated storyline from the Bills ahead of

1624
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 2: training camp, and Bills are Electric, says overrated is the

1625
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: James Cook story. He's playing for the Bills this year

1626
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 2: and if he moves on next year, being we'll find

1627
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 2: a way to replace him. Nick echoes that comment, saying,

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01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 2: James Cook contract situation, I feel it's being blown way

1629
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 2: out of proportion. I firmly believe James Cook is going

1630
01:26:53,800 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: to be a Bill for years to come, and it's

1631
01:26:55,240 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 2: just a matter of when, not if he signs a contract. Yeah.

1632
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:03,639
Speaker 2: I mean, we know, being as a history of signing

1633
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 2: players two extensions right before the regular season in late August,

1634
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 2: so it's not like it's an uncommon thing during this

1635
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 2: Bean McDermott regime. So you can't rule it out by

1636
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 2: any means. And there are clever ways to work and

1637
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,280
Speaker 2: circumvent the salary cap. So yeah, I don't think you

1638
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 2: can rule it out at all. Yeah, whether they can

1639
01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: find the common ground necessary to get it done.

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01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 1: As another story, I've straddled this fence, and you know,

1641
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: when you can't. Before you went, we went and took

1642
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,599
Speaker 1: our time off. I was like, there's no way. I mean,

1643
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: you don't sign that guy to a you know, big deal.

1644
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: I don't know, though my number might have went up

1645
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 1: over the because I certainly, you know, I don't think

1646
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars is on the table a year for

1647
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: James Cook, but certainly ten plus and somewhere between ten

1648
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: and fifteen.

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01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm I think you got to get to at least

1650
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: twelve for him to even sniff at it. Yeah, and

1651
01:27:59,320 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 2: that might be too.

1652
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: It comes down and I don't know anything about the

1653
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 1: draft class coming out, because that's what this is about.

1654
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 1: I mean, how are you going to replace him? You know,

1655
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: who takes that roster spot at the number one running

1656
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: back spot. I like Ty Johnson and Ray Davis as

1657
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 1: much as anybody, but they're not they they don't snap

1658
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: off sixty five yard runs in a snowstorm. Not too

1659
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 1: many guys do. And if you're gonna get somebody else

1660
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: to do it, the guy better have a trait like that.

1661
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he has to be a fast

1662
01:28:28,040 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 1: guy like that, he's got to be. If he's not that,

1663
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:32,800
Speaker 1: he's got to be like a six y five, two

1664
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty pound guy who nobody can tackle. He's

1665
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 1: got to have some other elite trait that you can use.

1666
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 1: So I'm I hate to think about the team, particularly

1667
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:48,719
Speaker 1: this year without James Cook.

1668
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 2: Got a stat to break off to you. See, back

1669
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 2: in the year two thousand, the percentage of NFL teams

1670
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 2: that went away to training camp sixty eight percent twenty

1671
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: one of thirty one teams. Back in two thousand, which

1672
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 2: was the first year the Bills went to Saint John Fisher.

1673
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, nineteen percent of teams go away

1674
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 2: to training camp. Twenty six out of thirty two teams

1675
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:21,920
Speaker 2: will be home for training camp.

1676
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: Six teams go away.

1677
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: Six teams going away to training camp. The Bills are

1678
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: one of them. It is a lost concept. I don't know,

1679
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 2: we'll see I don't know if it's swinging back. That's

1680
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: it for us today. Make sure you donate at give

1681
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 2: seven one six dot org. We'll see you tomorrow at

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