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Speaker 3: Thank you for all coming. Bring yourself a half. All right,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna be here for the next two hours. It's

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Speaker 3: Paul Perrillo, it's Mike you So, it's Evan Lazar, who

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Speaker 3: just did yeoman's duty two hours of Catch twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not work for Evan, no, right, but I

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Speaker 3: get it. I gotta get ready though. First, Before you know,

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Speaker 5: You got your kid on. You know, why is it included?

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Speaker 6: Once again Frank kersh making friends.

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Speaker 3: Somebody told somebody told me that this was the Patriots

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Speaker 5: Is that okay? All right?

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Speaker 3: All right, So we have a lot to cover, top,

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Speaker 3: We have a lot to cover today. Obviously we know

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Speaker 3: It's it's just a great thing. But we're gonna get

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Speaker 3: this show during the season every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday

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Speaker 3: the first time. So guys, let's get into it. We

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Speaker 3: we We've got a lot to talk about, a lot

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Speaker 3: let's talk about the state of the team, because we've

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Speaker 3: got some guys that you know, are didn't play last

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Speaker 6: Dah Yeah, I mean it's it's not. It's not a

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Speaker 3: It's tough because you know, the defense has taken some hits.

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Speaker 5: Well that's a big part. But Fred is you know,

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Speaker 7: But what's going on is specifically I think with Jack

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Speaker 5: I just say real too. I mean, just to bring

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Speaker 6: Was interesting, you know, so he started the last game

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Speaker 6: And I think right now there's some questions and I

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Speaker 3: So let's talk about who they might depend on against

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Speaker 3: Uh and he hasn't played every game, but their backup,

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Speaker 3: What do the Patriots need to do against this team? Particularly?

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Speaker 3: We'll stick on the defense, you know, because that's what

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Speaker 6: I think, you know, in Zach Moss, we don't really

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean this is the Colts are running the

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Speaker 7: He had a seven ten yard touchdown run against the

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Speaker 8: Your job like you have this and I have that

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Speaker 7: And that's been what's been kind of their issue that

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Speaker 7: Mike was talking about twenty plus yard games, eleven of

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Speaker 7: be it's gonna be a long day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So on the other side of the wall, the

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Speaker 3: Patriots over the last few games, really more than that,

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Speaker 3: So how this week they've got they've got to they've

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Speaker 6: So stop me if you heard it, Freddy, twenty five okay,

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Speaker 5: It's trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 6: They're giving him a little bit more time, and mac

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Speaker 6: It hasn't been perfect. I don't think the Colts have

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Speaker 8: I think back in twenties, Stone and Stone throw the

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Speaker 7: And this is a Seattle three Gus Bradley cover three

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Speaker 8: Okay, all right, we've got one.

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Speaker 5: It's not the world's original podcast.

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Speaker 3: multi year contract. Nobody really knows what that means. Nobody

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Speaker 3: knows if that means two years or more. Nobody knows

441
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Speaker 3: what lucrative means. But for some reason, somebody put that

442
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Speaker 3: news out there for some reason. And again we say

443
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Speaker 3: what we think. We don't have answers, So the opinions

444
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Speaker 3: that we give up here are our own opinions. They're

445
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 3: not anyone else's from the team. So I just want

446
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 3: to make sure people know that. But it's my opinion

447
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,119
Speaker 3: that the team put that info out there just in

448
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 3: case another team was interested in Bill Belichick, they would

449
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 3: know if you contact him, that's tampering because he is

450
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 3: under contract, and if you really are interested, you're gonna

451
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Speaker 3: have to go through the Crafts and no one else

452
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Speaker 3: because he's under contract. That's just my opinion. But you know,

453
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Speaker 3: you guys can agree or disagree.

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Speaker 5: I really couldn't agree or disagree.

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Speaker 6: I don't have the information that you know that these

456
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Speaker 6: reports come from. And I think it's interesting this week

457
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Speaker 6: you mentioned that you know, Bill has sort of been

458
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Speaker 6: a little bit more on the hot seat. I think

459
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Speaker 6: the Boston Globe has gone so far as to say,

460
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Speaker 6: this is a huge game for Bill. You know, if

461
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Speaker 6: it doesn't go well, then who knows what's gonna happen.

462
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Speaker 6: I don't necessarily fall into that category. I don't see

463
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Speaker 6: really any scenario that Bill Belichick is not the coach

464
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Speaker 6: at the end of the season.

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Speaker 5: Now.

466
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Speaker 6: I don't know what's going to happen next year, moving forward.

467
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Speaker 6: I think that's more where you know, the uncertainty comes from.

468
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Speaker 6: But I don't see it ending, you know, mid season.

469
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Speaker 6: I don't really.

470
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Speaker 5: See what's to be gained by that. I don't either.

471
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's just it's a complicated situation

472
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Speaker 5: because of not only the past, but he's, you know,

473
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Speaker 5: seventy two years old, so you know, another team has

474
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Speaker 5: to realize it's gonna take them a little it's gonna

475
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Speaker 5: take them a little while to get the program up

476
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Speaker 5: to speed, to get his players in. It's it's not

477
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Speaker 5: like he's gonna just waltz in and say I got

478
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Speaker 5: all the guys I need, this is the team I want,

479
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Speaker 5: and we're going to war. I mean, we know what

480
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Speaker 5: kind of changes they made. Paul, you were here and Fred,

481
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Speaker 5: you know, in two thousand when he got here, and

482
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Speaker 5: that you know, they didn't even have enough players to

483
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Speaker 5: feel fifty three guys on the team. So it's it's

484
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Speaker 5: a complicated situation. I mean, I agree with Paul. I

485
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Speaker 5: think this coach has been here, he deserves He's going

486
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Speaker 5: to be here through the rest of this season. But

487
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Speaker 5: it is interesting just going into the bye week off

488
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Speaker 5: of this game, because if it isn't Bill, what changes

489
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Speaker 5: do you make if they were to be two and

490
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Speaker 5: eight at that point.

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Speaker 6: Yes, So what's really sort of interested me, Freddie when

492
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Speaker 6: listening to all of the stuff, is you know, listening

493
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Speaker 6: to to fans and people that are really passionate about

494
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Speaker 6: the team. It used to be like ninety nine percent

495
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Speaker 6: or more just all on Belichick's side, and now I

496
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 6: feel like it's been really interesting to see that line

497
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Speaker 6: switch a little bit, and people are, you know, getting impatient.

498
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Speaker 6: They're upset with the fact that it's been four years

499
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Speaker 6: now post Tom Brady with a team doesn't seem to

500
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Speaker 6: be back on track, and I think a lot of

501
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Speaker 6: people are looking at Bill Belichick and I'm really I'm

502
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Speaker 6: not surprised by it because obviously the results are what

503
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Speaker 6: they are, but it has been eye opening to see

504
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Speaker 6: how quickly that evolved.

505
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Speaker 5: And you would think a guy who won.

506
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Speaker 6: Six Super Bowls obviously that's the reason why he's here, right,

507
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Speaker 6: I mean, his track record puts him in line to

508
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Speaker 6: be the best coach that's ever done it. So it's

509
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Speaker 6: I think it's not an easy situation for the Crafts

510
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 6: and for us and for the team trying to figure

511
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Speaker 6: out exactly how to go when this season's over. But

512
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Speaker 6: at two and seven, you know you got half a

513
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Speaker 6: season left to sort of right the ship a little

514
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Speaker 6: bit and at least get things going back in the

515
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Speaker 6: right direction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I just feel like mid season it just there

518
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Speaker 7: has to be some sort of respect level for what

519
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Speaker 7: he's accomplished here and agreed and like Tom Brady Fread's the.

520
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Speaker 5: One he'll He'll be the one to give him a respect.

521
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Speaker 7: And I've been you know, people that listen to the show,

522
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 7: you know regularly know that, like I have a lot

523
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 7: of issues with Bill a coach right now and build

524
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Speaker 7: a GM. But when you look at it at the

525
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 7: end of the season, you know, it didn't end with

526
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Speaker 7: Brady the way I think anybody really would have wanted

527
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Speaker 7: it to end, and it took a couple of years

528
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Speaker 7: for that relationship to get to the point where it

529
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Speaker 7: is now where he's coming week one and they have

530
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Speaker 7: the event in June.

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Speaker 8: And things like that.

532
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Speaker 7: You don't want that same sort of ill will with

533
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Speaker 7: Bill Belichick, Like this is somebody that we want to

534
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Speaker 7: be a part of the Patriots organization, of the Patriots history.

535
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Speaker 7: We want Bill to come back for retirement ceremonies and

536
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Speaker 7: for Patriots Hall of Fame inductions and obviously Pro Football

537
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame inductions and all that kind of stuff.

538
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Speaker 7: And if you that's embarrassing to get fired mid season.

539
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Speaker 3: Like that is a huge you can't do that to him, No,

540
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Speaker 3: And I.

541
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Speaker 7: Think he's earned it, Like I think he's earned the

542
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Speaker 7: right to at least end it amicably in the right way,

543
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 7: and like it. I also think he's earned not getting

544
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 7: fired on Black Monday, like if they like, I don't

545
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 7: think you fire him week eighteen, the day after the

546
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 7: season ends, and like all these other coaches, unfortunately, you're

547
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 7: all going to get canned. You know, we'll wake up

548
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 7: Monday morning and six coaches will have been fired.

549
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Speaker 8: Like I think that you that you have to handle

550
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 8: this situation differently yeah, and those types of things.

551
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Speaker 3: You know that said, Let's say things don't get better

552
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Speaker 3: this season and the Patriots end up only winning the

553
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: two games that they have or three maybe, and you know,

554
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Speaker 3: they've got this really high draft pick and they have

555
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to pick one of the best quarterbacks of

556
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Speaker 3: the draft. And we'll get into mac Jones in a

557
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 3: little bit, but you know, it's my opinion that if

558
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 3: you're drafting for the Patriots and the quarterback that you

559
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 3: really love becomes available, you got to get them. It's

560
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 3: really hard to get great quarterbacks in this league, so

561
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: you have to pick that quarterback. And if you do,

562
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Speaker 3: don't you want to coach a head coach to be

563
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 3: with that quarterback for the long term. You know, you

564
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: want the coach and the quarterback to go into the

565
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: future together. And even if you love Bill Belichick, like Mike,

566
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Speaker 3: he's seventy two, how much longer is he going to

567
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: be here? You're hoping that the quarterback that you choose,

568
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Speaker 3: if he's a top quarterback, is going to be here

569
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Speaker 3: for ten years, ten plus years. So it's it's a

570
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Speaker 3: little bit of a catch twenty two. Not to steal

571
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Speaker 3: your show's name, you know, but what do you do

572
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Speaker 3: if you have the opportunity to get that young quarterback.

573
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Speaker 3: Do you want a young coach, you know, one of

574
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Speaker 3: those new offensive minded coaches that are doing so well

575
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Speaker 3: around the league. Do you want him to come in

576
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Speaker 3: at the same time so that they can grow together.

577
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Speaker 3: It's it's a real complicated it's a real issue. It's

578
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Speaker 3: a real issue.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

580
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Speaker 7: And to that point too, do you trust Bill based

581
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Speaker 7: off of what he did with Mac Jones to build

582
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 7: around Drake may or build around Caleb Williams or you know?

583
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Speaker 7: And I think that's where I think most people's biggest

584
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 7: issues back home with Belichick is actually more the GM

585
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 7: side of things and the talent on the roster, especially

586
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Speaker 7: on the offensive side of the ball. If you draft

587
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Speaker 7: another quarterback and you give them the same you know,

588
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 7: supporting cast that Mac has gotten, why would we think

589
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 7: that that it's gonna go significantly differently. Like, obviously, maybe

590
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 7: that quarterback's better than Mac and he makes it look

591
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 7: a little bit better. But if it's three offensive coordinators

592
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Speaker 7: in three years and really no number one receiver and

593
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Speaker 7: the offensive lines in shambles, is that rookie is what's.

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Speaker 8: He gonna do?

595
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

596
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Speaker 7: You know, he's gonna look at it the same way

597
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 7: that Mac does. So I think that that's a big

598
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 7: thing for me too, is like philosophically, is Bill going

599
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Speaker 7: to pay T Higgins twenty five million dollars next year

600
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Speaker 7: so that Drake May has somebody to throw to? Or

601
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Speaker 7: is he gonna look at it the same way and

602
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 7: sign Nelson Akalaur and Kendrick Bourne.

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Speaker 6: You know, I love how Evan just work maps it

604
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Speaker 6: all out like hypothetically, like you know, is Drake May

605
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Speaker 6: gonna be able to throw the ball to T Higgins

606
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Speaker 6: and then they're gonna.

607
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 7: Paul because Drake May is gonna throw the ball to

608
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Speaker 7: T Higgins all right, and then Pop Douglas is going

609
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 7: to be the number two in the slot and we're

610
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 7: going back to the Super Bowl.

611
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 8: I'm here for that, like I'm here. I'm here for

612
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 8: that part.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you? All right?

614
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Speaker 8: I just fixed it. Boom bight drop.

615
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Speaker 5: So who's coaching that exactly?

616
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Speaker 8: That's exactly the problem.

617
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Speaker 7: And I also look at Bill O'Brien and and know that,

618
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 7: you know, he's an ambitious guy, and we've already heard

619
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Speaker 7: some rumors connecting him to some college jobs already.

620
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Speaker 5: This season.

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Speaker 8: So if he it's the same, it's the same carouself.

622
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Speaker 7: Like if he goes and and he leaves after one

623
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Speaker 7: year with the rookie quarterback, that's like Josh McDaniels did

624
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Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two. You're right back to where you

625
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 7: were in year two with Mac, where you have another

626
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 7: coordinator and you know it's just the same thing.

627
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 8: So you have to get out of that cycle somehow.

628
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we mentioned Mac Jones during the course of

629
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Speaker 3: this latest discussion, and now he's in his third year,

630
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Speaker 3: and last year was a disaster because they had a

631
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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator who had never been an offensive coordinator, as

632
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 3: also his head coach his quarterbacks coach, and it didn't

633
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: work out. Actually, i'm sorry, Joe Judge was his quarterback

634
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: who was a special teams coach. So they had two

635
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 3: coaches in places who had never done what they were

636
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 3: being asked to do last year, and they were doing

637
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: it with a young quarterback and it didn't work out.

638
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 3: So everybody was hoping that this third year, you bring

639
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 3: in Bill O'Brien, who that's all he's done really is

640
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: either been a head coach or an offensive coordinator, and

641
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 3: things were going to get a lot better, and they

642
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: really haven't, you know, you all know, and a lot

643
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: of talk back home is, okay, where does the blame fall?

644
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: Is it just Mac? Or is it the fact that

645
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 3: the offensive line hasn't played well, that he doesn't have

646
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: a top flight receiver. He's now going on his third coordinator.

647
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, it's a tough position for Mac, for sure,

648
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Speaker 3: but you have to admit, you know, there's been problem well, And.

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Speaker 6: That's why a lot of these things, I think are

650
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 6: complicated because there's so many different ways of looking at it,

651
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 6: you know, And I think there's a lot of people

652
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 6: that have fiercely loyal to Bill Belichick for all the

653
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 6: games that he's won. So some of those people look

654
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 6: at Mac Jones and say he's not good enough. And

655
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Speaker 6: then there's people that look at some of the things

656
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Speaker 6: that Bill has done with Mac, like Evan pointed out,

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Speaker 6: and they wondered, well, well, Mac needs more support, And

658
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 6: then they look at the offensive line. They had an opportunity,

659
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 6: they had a whole let tackle and they didn't take one.

660
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 6: And now you spent the better part of the first

661
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 6: nine games giving up a lot of quarterback pressure. It's like,

662
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 6: and Mac doesn't have a chance. And so every time,

663
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 6: no matter who you talk to, someone has a different

664
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Speaker 6: opinion as to what the biggest problem is, which is

665
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Speaker 6: how you get to two and seven because it's never

666
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Speaker 6: that simple.

667
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 5: There are a lot of things that are lacking. It's

668
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 5: like a chicken or the egg theory, and that's what

669
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Speaker 5: we've kind of been doing. Of course, we're here before

670
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 5: the bye week trying to get to the bottom of

671
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 5: all their problems and figure out who the coach is

672
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 5: going to be and who they're going to draft. But

673
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: you know, specific to Mac, I mean, it's just like

674
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 5: you said, Fred, I thought when Bill O'Brien came in,

675
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Speaker 5: and even when we met Bill O'Brien for the first

676
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 5: time this spring and he came in and had a

677
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 5: media availability and it was like, wow, it feels like

678
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 5: there's like an adult in the building, Like there's a

679
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 5: guy who knows offense and knows what he wants. And

680
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 5: that moment you were excited and felt like, all right,

681
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: he can really turn things around. And I think we've

682
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 5: gotten to this point in the season where it feels

683
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 5: like Mac is really struggling to stay in sync with

684
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: the offense, and you know, it's it's certainly he doesn't

685
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: have a lot around him, but I don't think he's

686
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 5: you know, as we said, we talked a little bit

687
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: about c J. Stroud here and what he was able

688
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 5: to do last week, and it's you know, a one

689
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Speaker 5: off kind of example, and it's hard to compare that

690
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 5: one guy had a great game and you know, pulled

691
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: out an upset. But it's hard as a Patriots fan

692
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: to see what he did and said, well, he's not

693
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 5: really working with all that much. How is he able

694
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: to do that? So I don't know if we're going

695
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: to get the answer this year, but it's it's it's

696
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 5: around and around we go. Yeah.

697
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 7: I mean Mac has to take some of the blame

698
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 7: or some of the fall for it, because especially the

699
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 7: last couple of weeks since they've moved on WHENU to

700
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 7: right tackle, the line, play has been okay, has it been?

701
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 7: They're not you know, the nineteen nineties Cowboys, but like

702
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 7: they're they're protecting the quarterback and he's not under siege

703
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 7: all the time, and there's plays to be made on

704
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 7: the tape where there's open receivers and he's just not

705
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 7: seeing them, or the timing of the play is off

706
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 7: or sometimes like against the Commanders, he's just flat out

707
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 7: missing the throws. You know, Taekwon Thornton on fourth down

708
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 7: is open, he just misses the throw. Ormandre on the

709
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 7: wheel route open and he you know, underthrows him.

710
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 8: So those players are there to be made.

711
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 7: I think, you know, some of the things that have

712
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 7: been talked about back home about you know, his postgame

713
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 7: press conference and how he was saying he kind of

714
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 7: agreed with a question that said that he doesn't exactly

715
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 7: have an all star cast around him. When I look

716
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 7: at that more, if you know, some people are trying

717
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 7: to make that out to be this shot, which it

718
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 7: might have been. But I also look at it him

719
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 7: like I think he believes that which is infecting his play,

720
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 7: Like if he just handled what he could handle and

721
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 7: controlled what he could control. I think the biggest thing

722
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 7: like watching him play, he's really sped up, like his

723
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 7: decision making and stuff like that, and.

724
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 8: He looks frantic when he's playing.

725
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 7: If I was Bill O'Brien, I would just be like

726
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 7: just just calm down, like just settle down, like take

727
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 7: a breath, you know, collect yourself.

728
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 8: Play slower, you know, play.

729
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 7: Within the confines of the scheme and like, don't think

730
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 7: about all these other variables of you know there's pressure here,

731
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 7: and you know my feet are here, and the receiver

732
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 7: is you know, not exactly as open as I thought

733
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 7: he would be or whatever. Just run the plays that

734
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 7: are being called and control your own process, and I

735
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 7: think there would be better results because I do think

736
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 7: there are opportunities for him to make some plays.

737
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Speaker 6: And I think it's been interesting listening to Bill O'Brien

738
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 6: a little bit. He talked on Tuesday, and there I

739
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 6: mean not openly critical, but some references to plays that

740
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 6: Evan's talking about that are being missed. And I know

741
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 6: everybody you know went in with the assumption that Bill

742
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 6: O'Brien would fix everything, and I think now people are wondering, well,

743
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 6: what's Bill O'Brien doing, Like why does the offense look

744
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 6: just as bad as it did last year? And I

745
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 6: think some of these comments that you're hearing are like, no,

746
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 6: we just we need to everybody, we all need to

747
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 6: do better. There are opportunities to make and we're missing them.

748
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: I thought it was that reference to the Taekwon Dorton

749
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 6: play that you're talking about on Full of Down that

750
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 6: Billy oh made the other day was eye opening to me.

751
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 6: And then you know, you start hearing some of the

752
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 6: other shows with our buddy Burt Breer, you know, talking

753
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 6: about people in the building mentioning some of these opportunities missed.

754
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 5: That's the question I keep coming back to Paul's just

755
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 5: what would happen if Mack hits the opportunities that are

756
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 5: there for him? Like what does that look like? And

757
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 5: you know, I still am kind of waiting for that

758
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: game because you know, there's plenty of videos going around

759
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 5: of the last couple of games, and you know, like

760
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 5: you guys mentioned some of those shots that were there,

761
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: but you know, Kenny hit those and all of a sudden,

762
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 5: you know, maybe he starts to get some confidence, He

763
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 5: slows down a little bit, his footwork gets back on track,

764
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 5: and you know, maybe then there is something there. They

765
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 5: start to win a few games and then we're not

766
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 5: really talking about, Hey, let's get Drake May and Kal,

767
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 5: but we can build.

768
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 6: Around that you talk about like you know, Evan said,

769
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 6: you know, he looks sped up, and I think of

770
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 6: that wheel route to Stevenson where I thought the pocket

771
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 6: was decent. Yeah, and he still kind of faded away

772
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 6: from the throw and threw off his back foot.

773
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 5: The ball floated a little bit.

774
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 6: That's the play of the Washington line back or sort

775
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 6: of the last second got his hand up and knocked

776
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 6: the ball. But if the pass is sort of to

777
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 6: the outside, over the top of the shoulder, I don't

778
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 6: think the linebacker can do anything about touchdown, you know.

779
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 6: And I do think and you mentioned, you know, all

780
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 6: the running back stuff against the Colts specifically, you know,

781
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 6: against the Seattle you know, cover three, And I do

782
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 6: think that Stevenson has been a bigger part of the

783
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 6: passing game the last couple of games, and they're making

784
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 6: an effort for that. You know, we didn't even going

785
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 6: back to the Buffalo game where he made the big

786
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 6: play with the screen at the end of the game.

787
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 6: So I'd look for Stevenson on Sunday, maybe more as

788
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 6: a receiver.

789
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, he made some really good ransom, really

790
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 7: good routes. I think that you know, Jermaine Davis, the

791
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 7: linebacker for the Commanders, it's kind of like more like

792
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 7: a Jawan Bentley, you run, an enforcer type, and they

793
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 7: kind of targeted him a little bit in the passing

794
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 7: game and Ramandre Stevenson was open a lot in that game,

795
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 7: and they did make some plays, you know, third down

796
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 7: plays things like that, other than the wheel route. But

797
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 7: the wheel route is just one of those things that

798
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 7: there is a little bit of pressure that's coming up

799
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 7: through the middle, and as an NFL quarterback, like you

800
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 7: just got to stand in there and step into the

801
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 7: throw and take the hit.

802
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 6: Like that's that's what first player too at the end

803
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 6: of the game, right, just like a little skinny post

804
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 6: Amos too, Yeah, you know him kind of like just

805
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 6: jamming out of the back Like.

806
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 7: That's just that's that's what an NFL pocket is, Like.

807
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 7: It's not it's not always gonna just be this like

808
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 7: perfectly clean pocket. Sometimes it's gonna be a little muddy.

809
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 7: There's gonna be some people around you, and you have

810
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 7: to be able to just calmly stand.

811
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 8: In there and make throws.

812
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 7: And I think sometimes we see with Mac that that

813
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 7: he doesn't do that as often as he should.

814
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 3: So our team, our team has a lot of work

815
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 3: to do. But the one thing that we can all

816
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, feel good about is that the Crafts

817
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: want to win more than we do. So they know

818
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: and They're not gonna sit still. They're gonna do whatever

819
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: they think they need to do to get the Patriots

820
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: back to the winning ways that we've been used to.

821
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: So that's one thing that we can all hang our

822
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: hat on, is that the Crafts want to win more

823
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: than we do. Another thing we do on this show

824
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: is we take emails and we take calls. People around

825
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 3: the world can call us at eight five to five

826
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: PATS five hundred. That's our phone number. So phone lines

827
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: are open if people want to call. If you want

828
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 3: to email the show, it's web radio at pages dot com.

829
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 3: We've got emails coming in now. One is from Chad

830
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, Atlanta, Georgia. He says, can we acknowledge the

831
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: cajones on the media member who asked Bill if his

832
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 3: job was in jeopardy You couldn't pay me to ask that.

833
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: I'd be afraid he'd make me run laps question. What

834
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 3: could Bill do, if anything, to save his job at

835
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: this point if it's in danger.

836
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 5: Win, I mean win games. They got to, I mean

837
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 5: produce points and win games. I think that's the direct.

838
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 6: The second part of that, I think is get get

839
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 6: mac Jones more comfortable.

840
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: Score thirty points against the Colts, and you know you're

841
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 5: going to all of a sudden, you know, fred I

842
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 5: just they put Mike Rabel into the Hall of Fame

843
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 5: a couple weeks ago, and you saw I think the

844
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: bill that we all wish we saw more of, which

845
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 5: was the talkative, funny storytelling Bill, and you know, it

846
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: was just for me a little bit of a reminder

847
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: of you know what a person who's seen so much,

848
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 5: who knows so much about the game. But I think

849
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 5: it's a simple answer, and that's score points, win games.

850
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: And you know, starting this week, it'd be great come

851
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: here to Frankfurt, reset a little bit, got a great

852
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 5: international fan base that's coming out to support the team,

853
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 5: some renewed energy, and then you go home and all right,

854
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 5: maybe we found something there in Frankfurt, you know. And look,

855
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 5: it might be too far gone at this point. They're

856
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 5: two and seven. I'm not, you know, saying they're going

857
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: to make the playoffs. And I know there are plenty

858
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 5: fans out there that want to lose every game and

859
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 5: get that number one overall pick and get that quarterback.

860
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 5: But I still think that there's some positivity could be had, you.

861
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 3: Know, in my opinion, you know, winning is the obvious answer,

862
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: but the other thing is to keep the locker room together.

863
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about the Jack Jones thing in J. C. Jackson,

864
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: and we don't know what happened, but there was some

865
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: disciplinary stuff going on. And that's the type of thing

866
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: that happens to teams that aren't doing well. Yep, guys start,

867
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 3: you know, getting off the program and they start doing

868
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: their own thing and they stop listening. And you know,

869
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 3: back in the day, I'm not saying that that didn't

870
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: happen when the Patriots are winning Super Bowls, but you

871
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 3: had locker room leaders that would, as Evan said, they

872
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: police themselves. You know, Bill Belichick didn't have to go

873
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: into the locker room on Wednesday and rip everyone a

874
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 3: new one because he had his players that would do

875
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: that for him.

876
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: That guy Teddy Bruski right behind you on that monitor

877
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 5: just popped up in an old Patriots will Rodney Harrison

878
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 5: go down the line?

879
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 6: Got it?

880
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 3: These guys, And so you wonder, you know, we know

881
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: that Matthew Slater is a leader, but he's a special

882
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: teams guy. He doesn't even really practice with the team.

883
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: He does his own thing. So no disrespect. You don't

884
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 3: disrespect to Matthew Slater, But how are those guys that

885
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 3: is going to grab a teammate by the grill and

886
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: tell them, hey, let's get it together. And you know,

887
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: that's one of the things that I think Bill needs

888
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 3: to do right now is make sure that that locker

889
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: room finishes strong down the stretch.

890
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, Freddy, And that is why when Mike

891
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 6: said the second part of that, like getting the offense.

892
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 6: But if his job isn't and we don't know, we

893
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 6: just don't. But if his job is in fact sort

894
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 6: of in jeopardy, then that's but the way to do

895
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 6: it show that you you still have firm control of

896
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 6: the locker room and show that everybody is still willing

897
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 6: to follow you and put, you know, put to you.

898
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 6: You know, we all looked at the Buffalo game a

899
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 6: couple of weeks ago, and that was so refreshing because

900
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 6: it was a change to the narrative. It was pretty

901
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 6: productive offense for sixty minutes. It was a last second drive,

902
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 6: you know, come from behind things we hadn't really seen

903
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 6: a lot of since you know who left and and

904
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 6: all of.

905
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 8: A sudden, there was there was there was some hope.

906
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 5: Well, I don't want to upset Deuce.

907
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: So Mike doesn't like Tom.

908
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: Mike doesn't. I'm only kidding.

909
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 6: It's it's sort of a stick at this point, Mike,

910
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 6: Mike got bored and you know I went to the

911
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 6: AFC Championships. Yeah, just embrace the heel the heel turn

912
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 6: like it. So I do think that's how that's how

913
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 6: it goes. Freddy, what you said, keep control of the

914
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 6: locker room and maybe we have a different conversation when

915
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 6: it's old.

916
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was Dakota Randall from Nesson. By the way,

917
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 7: that that asks Bill that question, And you wouldn't be

918
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 7: paying me anymore if I asked that question. So I

919
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 7: might ask it in my head, but I wouldn't ask

920
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 7: it out.

921
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 5: Well, maybe we can split whatever he's making.

922
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 3: Mike and Charlotte North Carolina right said. I don't believe

923
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 3: that Bill all of a sudden forgot how to coach.

924
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 3: I believe the bigger issue is on the GM side

925
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 3: and not acquiring the correct players either through the draft

926
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: of free agency. I think the craft's easiest way to

927
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: move on is to tell Bill we're hiring a GM

928
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: and they want Bill to focus on coaching. If Bill

929
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: doesn't want to give up the GM role and leaves

930
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: the team, then the Crafts can start over with a

931
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: new GM and coaching staff without firing Bill. They will

932
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: be able to publicly say that they made an effort

933
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 3: to retain him.

934
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, just to highlight the draft. That's kind

935
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 5: of my thing, and that's you know, I just they

936
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 5: haven't got the return on investment in their recent picks.

937
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 5: And I think it's a big reason why they don't

938
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 5: have the talent to kind of compete with those upper

939
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: echelon teams right now. Is you know, you just you

940
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 5: haven't hit on enough of those first round draft picks

941
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 5: that they've needed to. And you know, recent years you've

942
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 5: had Mac, You've had you know, you had some promise,

943
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: but just not enough of those A plus elite kind

944
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: of guys that that can really change the tenor of

945
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 5: a game at any second, any given play can all

946
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 5: of a sudden go for ninety yards and you're in

947
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: the end zone.

948
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: All right, We're gonna give this a try. We have

949
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 3: people calling the show as well. On the we call

950
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: it the Ace Ticket hut Line. Yeah, we've got Harvey

951
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: from Columbus, Ohio let's see Harvey, can you hear us?

952
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 10: Yes?

953
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 3: All right, what do you got Yes, let's get.

954
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 11: Let's get.

955
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 10: In the game position put him only on the field

956
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 10: only has nothing to do with going on at all.

957
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 10: Okay him, Let's get somebody else in there for the

958
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 10: money moves and bring them big time in there.

959
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: All right, thanks Harvey. I was having trouble hearing him.

960
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 7: Okay, So he's coming at Miles Bryan. Okay, There's two

961
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 7: things about Miles Bryant. It's obvious that they could have

962
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 7: a better player than Miles Bryant in that in such

963
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 7: a full time regular role.

964
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 8: But we just talked about two guys in J. C.

965
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 7: Jackson and Jack Jones that reportedly got bench for disciplinary reasons.

966
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 8: Off the field, you.

967
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 7: Want to say anything you can about Miles Brian gives

968
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 7: an f like Miles Bryan's there every single day.

969
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 8: Miles Brian, it works hard.

970
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 7: Miles Bryant plays hard, he answers questions to the media,

971
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 7: he doesn't run out of the locker room after the

972
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 7: game when he plays poorly and the refuses to talk.

973
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 7: So you can say, what do you want about his

974
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 7: talent level? And the fact that maybe they do need

975
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 7: to upgrade that spot from that point of view. But

976
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 7: you can't have guys that are just you know, skipping

977
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 7: out on things and not making curfew and things like

978
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 7: that and then come after Miles Bryant Like that's just

979
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 7: an unfair target in my opinion.

980
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 5: It's tough too with how shorthanded they've been, and I

981
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 5: think he's been kind of thrust into some positions is

982
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 5: not maybe his ideal you know, fit. But I have

983
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 5: to say, like I totally rubber stamp everything Evan said.

984
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 5: I just I think Miles Bryan is a tough player.

985
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 5: I think he's a little bit underrated. I just if

986
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 5: they were able to use him with you know, if

987
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 5: you still had Christian Gonzalez and Jonathan Jones is healthy

988
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 5: and you know, I think Miles Bryan is a piece.

989
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 5: You know, maybe you don't want to be relying on

990
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 5: him as one of your top one or two corners,

991
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 5: but but I he's just one of those guys on

992
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 5: the team right now that's become one of the targets.

993
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, let's see h Alex is in Raleigh, North Carolina. Uh,

994
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 3: and he says, you all got some good lighting there.

995
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: This is a great opening and great show so far.

996
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 3: Fred looking good in the kit. See some people like it.

997
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 5: I told you you had, you had your kid on it.

998
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: Question is this game where Barmore needs to make a

999
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: great impact. He's been doing well putting pressure on the

1000
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 3: line and QB. But can he do more?

1001
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 5: How you can do more? Played? Well, that's my guy

1002
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 5: that's coming back on in Paul. You love him too,

1003
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 5: I mean I have a crush on him. The Patriots

1004
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 5: traded up to get him in twenty twenty one. I mean,

1005
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 5: just you know, I think we all saw the potential

1006
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 5: in him as a disruptive pass rush guy. We talked

1007
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 5: a little bit about DeForest Buckner. Maybe not as big

1008
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 5: as him, but we always want to have Tom Brady.

1009
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 5: That's how you got Tom Brady right pressure up the middle, quick,

1010
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 5: right in his lap. And I think that Barmore is

1011
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 5: just such a useful piece. The problem has been that

1012
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 5: they ask a lot of defensive linemen in New England.

1013
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 5: They want them to two gap, they want them to

1014
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 5: be able to play the run. And I think there's

1015
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 5: been some inconsistencies, you know, in his game. So but

1016
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 5: the last few games have been great.

1017
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, for the last month, Christian Barmore ranks second in

1018
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 7: the league and pressures amongst defensive tackles. He's been one

1019
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 7: of the best d tackles in the NFL for about

1020
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 7: a month now.

1021
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 8: He is playing out of his mind.

1022
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 7: He had eight quarterback pressures in the game last week

1023
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 7: against Washington.

1024
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, we had Vince Wilfork was here earlier,

1025
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 6: and they're not the same player.

1026
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously Vince was much bigger, you know, in

1027
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 5: terms of just yeah, bigger.

1028
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 6: But I think athletically that's the kind of player that

1029
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 6: Barmore is. He's a little bit of a you know,

1030
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 6: more athletic interior defense in lineman, and you're starting to

1031
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 6: see some of that that show up on eight pressures

1032
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 6: he had. I didn't realize that number. He's been really

1033
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 6: really good now for the last several games.

1034
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, and he's also been really good against the run.

1035
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 7: Like it's not just been the pass rush because we

1036
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 7: know we've obviously always known. I feel like that he

1037
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 7: can rush the passer. His rookie year, I think he

1038
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 7: had like sixty quarterback pressures and one of the better

1039
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 7: rookie seasons for an interior rusher. But now that he's

1040
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 7: adding the pass the rush defense to it as well.

1041
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 7: Now he's a three down player, Like you're talking about

1042
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 7: a guy that can be a sixty seventy.

1043
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 8: Five you know, sixty to sixty five percent guy.

1044
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, people talk about, you know, who

1045
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 3: were the Patriots going to build around for the future.

1046
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: I think Christian Barmour is one of those guys that

1047
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: they should. Yes, I think Keon White, a guy that

1048
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 3: they drafted this year, has shown prompt Obviously, Christian Gonzales

1049
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 3: their first round pick this year, he got hurt and

1050
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 3: he's not playing anymore this season, but he showed that

1051
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 3: he can really stick with some of the best receivers

1052
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: in the game. So that's promising as well. So there's

1053
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: some defensive pieces that they have. Maybe they re signed

1054
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,439
Speaker 3: Dugger who's going to be a free agent at.

1055
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 8: The end of the season, need to re sign.

1056
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's some pieces on defense that they can

1057
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: build around. So you know, the future is not all

1058
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 3: you know, crazy.

1059
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 5: And Pop Douglas too, rookie Debarrow and Douglas. I mean,

1060
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 5: he's you know, had his best game, most productive game

1061
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 5: last week, and I mean I think we all look

1062
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 5: at Pop Douglas and say, like this is a Patriots receiver.

1063
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 5: This is a little quick, jitterbuck guy that can get

1064
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 5: open off the line. And you know it would seem

1065
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 5: on paper that that's what Mac needs, you know, a

1066
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 5: guy that he trusts, love to see matches continuing to

1067
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 5: go to him in big spots. But there are some

1068
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 5: bones here with this team, no matter what kind of

1069
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 5: happens in this offseason, there are there are some guys

1070
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 5: in gons Gonzales was outstanding. What do we see him?

1071
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 11: Like?

1072
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 5: Nine quarters? I don't know exactly what the number was,

1073
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 5: but not enough and he really promising for a second season. Hope.

1074
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: Okay, where's our DJ because I was gonna take a

1075
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 3: break and pump up the music, but he's not here,

1076
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: so I'll have to wait till he gets back.

1077
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 5: Do you want me to sing? You can do it?

1078
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: Yea some karaoke?

1079
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 5: Well you know, hey, Paul, real quick. I just you know,

1080
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 5: there was someone here and a Drew Bledsoe Jersey and

1081
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 5: God bless that person. I think they might have left

1082
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 5: with Paul's favorite player of all time. I thought Drew

1083
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 5: made the trip for you, Paul, just to come and

1084
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 5: support you. But I'm not sure where that fan went.

1085
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 3: All right, Russell and Arkansas rights in, would you dial

1086
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 3: up the pressure on this Colts offense and maybe rattle minshew? Also,

1087
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 3: can we get paul A diet Miller and Fred a

1088
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 3: different shirt?

1089
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 8: And they really don't like your shirt?

1090
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 5: They don't like it? No, no, no, they've been blitzing

1091
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 5: a lot.

1092
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 3: But I thought Byron Munich was a good team. Are

1093
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: they not good? They're good?

1094
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 5: Right, you're gonna ignite rivalries right within this very room.

1095
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 3: They win it every year, right, yeah, so they're good.

1096
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right. You know, I'm trying to like what

1097
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 5: I'd love to have someone explain, like, are you wearing

1098
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 5: like a Jets jersey's bar? Are we and Jets Land? Like?

1099
00:47:59,680 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 11: Like? What?

1100
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 3: No, we're an eye track Land, right, Frankfurt eye Track right? Yeah, okay,

1101
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: but they haven't given me a shirt, so I'm wearing

1102
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 3: Bryn Munich shirt. Yeah all right. So as far as

1103
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: dialing up the pressure, I mean, would you go all

1104
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 3: out or would you?

1105
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: You know, they've blitzed a ton yeah this season, almost

1106
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 6: every game. They're they're very high in the blitz usage.

1107
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 5: Yep, you know it's funny. Sorry, it hasn't been overully

1108
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: effective lately any and even just looking at some of

1109
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 5: the numbers on you know, next gen stats, it's like

1110
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 5: it wasn't even like a correlation between Judon going down

1111
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 5: and they just like we got to start blitzing. Like

1112
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 5: they were kind of blitzing a lot even when they

1113
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 5: had Jute on. So it's a little bit of a

1114
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 5: I feel like a shift in aggressiveness from this defense.

1115
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 5: You know, it's historically, especially when Matt Patricia was here,

1116
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 5: it was a you know, sit back, wait, wait for

1117
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 5: you to kind of make the mistakes and take away

1118
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 5: the big plays. But they've been trying to get after quarterbacks.

1119
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 5: And I mean it worked against Josh Allen. That was

1120
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 5: the game where hey, they got a bunch of pressure

1121
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 5: on him. They got right on, right in on him

1122
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 5: one way or another. You got to get pressure and

1123
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 5: try to force Gardner Minshew into mistakes.

1124
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that the blitzing the last couple of

1125
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 7: weeks hasn't worked because they haven't been able to tie

1126
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 7: it together with the coverage. So they blitzed Gardner Minshew

1127
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 7: for example, on that crazy cross body throw that he

1128
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 7: made to Byron Pringle.

1129
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 8: They blitzed, but they busted the coverage.

1130
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 5: On the back end, Washington, GA.

1131
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, and uh, I say Gardner Minshew, Yeah, Sam

1132
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 7: Hollell made and they busted the coverage. So if you

1133
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 7: don't tie it together, then it's not you know, if

1134
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 7: you don't have pressure like on the Miles Bryant touchdout,

1135
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 7: then I'm sure what the collar called in attacked poor

1136
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 7: Miles when on that touchdown they didn't get any pressure.

1137
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 8: They blitzed, but they didn't get it. No one got home.

1138
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 7: And if you blitz and nobody gets home, well then

1139
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 7: you're in trouble. Right, That's that's a recipe for disasters.

1140
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 7: So they're gonna blitz, it's gonna have to be more

1141
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 7: tied together from the back end and the front end

1142
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 7: because you can't cover zero blitz and send in the

1143
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 7: house and then not get home.

1144
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 8: Like that's just asking for trouble.

1145
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 3: All right, Let's see Boston Cream rights in. He wants

1146
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 3: to know how big the schnitzel is.

1147
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 5: I had some yesterday? Yeah, that was pretty pretty big. Okay,

1148
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 5: we had we had some uh some worst Yeah, what

1149
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: else did we do? And then me and Paul kind

1150
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 5: of checking out, went to five guys. You guys went

1151
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 5: to five guys, which is just hilarious. You give us up.

1152
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 5: I know, I feel bad being in another country and

1153
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 5: you want to try the food and everything. But I

1154
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 5: was like, all right, I just need a little taste

1155
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 5: of home. Let's pump me.

1156
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 7: For I really want like a good brat, you know,

1157
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 7: before we go home. So maybe these guys can help

1158
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 7: me with some recommendations of where we should go.

1159
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 3: Okay, there we go. Let's see Chris from Colorado rights

1160
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 3: in as far as as fair and balanced arbiters of

1161
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: our football sanity, have you guys made up your mind

1162
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: as to what needs to happen next season? I'm looking

1163
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 3: for your personal opinion. Is it a new coach, new quarterback,

1164
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 3: full reboot? My guess would that Paul needs to see more.

1165
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 3: Evan has a spreadsheet on which players should be drafted

1166
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 3: and acquired. Micha will move his hatred for Tom Brady

1167
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: and move it to Bill, and Fred will whistle through

1168
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: the graveyard. Love everything you guys do. Thanks for putting

1169
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: in the time, effort and jet lag to keep us entertained.

1170
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: So that's nice.

1171
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 5: I mean, yes, definitely, I have no doubt.

1172
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 6: But if I'm being completely honest, I'd like to sort

1173
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 6: of lean toward the reboot. I'd like to just try

1174
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 6: to turn the page and start over.

1175
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 5: I mean, it takes a lot of courage to say

1176
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: that I'm the same. I mean, really, look, I just

1177
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 5: think for me, I'm kind of sick of watching the

1178
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 5: same games over and over for the last couple of years,

1179
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 5: and that's been you know, they just can't seem to

1180
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 5: break this rut where you know, even last year and

1181
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 5: I don't know what the stats are, but we talk about, yeah,

1182
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 5: they've won some games, but it's always against backup quarterbacks,

1183
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 5: like you know won this week the win from Buffalo. Yeah,

1184
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 5: the win from Buffalo that you know, that stood out

1185
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: for a couple of weeks ago, and I think we

1186
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 5: all felt really positive because, like you said, Paul, it

1187
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 5: flipped the script. But you know, even if you want

1188
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 5: to throw in that twenty twenty season with Cam Newton,

1189
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 5: which I think we all kind of allow, is, look,

1190
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 5: it was the COVID year. There were no fans, it

1191
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: was Cam on coming in town. That's not true, but

1192
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: you know, I just that's what's just getting repetitive is

1193
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 5: watching the same kind of game on fold where they're up,

1194
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 5: they're down seventeen three at halftime, and you know, and

1195
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 5: then they you know, make a couple of scores in

1196
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 5: the third quarter and they lose twenty four to thirteen.

1197
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 5: But you know, it's and I don't know how you

1198
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 5: can break that cycle. I've gotten to the point where.

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Speaker 6: I can't have them both back. Yeah, you know, if

1200
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 6: Max stays, then I think Bill has to go. Now,

1201
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 6: if you want to say I'm going to err on

1202
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 6: the side of letting Bill go out on his terms

1203
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 6: because of all he's done, I'd support that. I mean,

1204
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 6: I think there's a good argument to be made.

1205
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,760
Speaker 5: Why are you pulling the plug on the greatest coaches

1206
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: ever done it?

1207
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 6: So if that happens, I think you have to change

1208
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 6: the quarterback because I don't think those two guys work together.

1209
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 6: And I haven't seen any evidence of that the last

1210
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 6: two years. You know, as a rookie, there was some

1211
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 6: i'mis there with Josh McDaniels running the show and again,

1212
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 6: like Mike said, beating up on some banged up backup

1213
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 6: quarterback led teams. And since then we haven't seen any progress.

1214
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 6: I don't like the way it looks, for lack of

1215
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 6: a better term, the way you know, Bill doesn't often

1216
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 6: call mac Jones, the quarterback and my star, you know,

1217
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 6: my starter when he's asked about it. So I don't

1218
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 6: think it's a great relationship from afar, and I feel

1219
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 6: like if you're going to move forward with one of them,

1220
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 6: the other one has to go.

1221
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 3: Okay.

1222
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 7: I just look at it from like a big picture

1223
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 7: standpoint too, of like this organizationally, they need to decide

1224
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 7: that scoring points in offense is the most important thing

1225
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 7: for this team, and that means changing the quarterback. That

1226
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 7: that means changing the quarterback, that means changing the head

1227
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:44,479
Speaker 7: coach too.

1228
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 5: The then so be it.

1229
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 8: But until they go out.

1230
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 7: And they start really throwing some real resources at the

1231
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 7: offensive side of the ball, you know, pay guy's top

1232
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 7: of the market money, first round picks on skill, talent

1233
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 7: or tackles or whatever.

1234
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 8: You know, it's all go well and good.

1235
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 7: That Bill had his defense draft last year, but they

1236
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 7: had a pretty good defense in twenty twenty two, and

1237
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 7: he goes out and uses his top three draft picks

1238
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 7: on defense, and then in free agency he paid everybody

1239
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 7: on defense to come back and play, you know for

1240
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 7: them this year, and the offense got what you know, juju,

1241
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 7: you know, Mikeasicki and thankfully, thankfully they found Pop Douglas

1242
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 7: in the sixth round and they got one little thing

1243
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 7: out of it. But really, you look at last offseason

1244
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 7: for the offensive side of the ball, and it was

1245
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 7: a complete disaster.

1246
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 3: Honestly, let's go to the phones. A sticket hutline will

1247
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 3: go to Ernie in Tennessee. What's up, Ernie?

1248
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, I listened to you guys. Bill. I'm in agreement

1249
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 12: with not firing him during the season. I think the

1250
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 12: national media has him, you know, out if they don't

1251
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 12: win the game. But I don't see that. I just

1252
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 12: think he just it was kind of hard on the media,

1253
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 12: and they're just trying to get back at them.

1254
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're not you're not for firing them during

1255
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: the season, but what do you want to do after

1256
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: the season.

1257
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 12: I think the call is right, just you know, give

1258
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 12: them an option, you know, coach or and hire a

1259
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 12: GM and and go that way.

1260
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,439
Speaker 3: Thanks, Ernie, appreciate the call.

1261
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 5: I figure it's not going to happen.

1262
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 8: I don't I don't like, do you. How do you

1263
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 8: guys feel about that?

1264
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 5: That setup? I big it's dysfunctional.

1265
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 7: I also just feel we have to look at the

1266
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 7: product on the field at some point and say, are

1267
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 7: they even being coached well at this point? Like that

1268
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 7: the game against the Commanders. They didn't lose that game

1269
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,479
Speaker 7: because they didn't have enough talent to win the game.

1270
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 7: They lost that game because special teams had four penalties

1271
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 7: in the last three drives of the game.

1272
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 8: The defense is giving up six plays of.

1273
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 7: Twenty plus yards because they're busting coverages all over the place,

1274
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 7: like they those are the Bills two areas, special teams

1275
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 7: and defense, and they're not even buttoned up in those areas.

1276
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 8: So I just don't even.

1277
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,479
Speaker 7: Know if that's enough is to just take away GM,

1278
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 7: do you. I think everybody just thinks, like, oh, let's

1279
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 7: get a GM in here, that that drafts all this

1280
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 7: amazing talent, Like it's that easy and it's just going

1281
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 7: to fix all these problems.

1282
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 5: It's never gonna fly. It's never gonna fly with Bill,

1283
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 5: you know.

1284
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 3: Yep, Mike, Mike uh Dominique is in New York. What's up, Dominique?

1285
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 13: Hey, how y'all doing all right? Good? Hope you're enjoying Germany.

1286
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 13: Thanks for all that you do. It's kind of going

1287
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 13: back to the point with with Bill belichicking New you

1288
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 13: know position or what it looks like after the seed

1289
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 13: and I'm not kind of quite agree. I don't know

1290
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 13: how that looks. I mean, him at a GM, I

1291
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 13: don't know if we really want that. Looking at the

1292
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 13: picks that he's made, the signs that he you know,

1293
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 13: had influence over, I don't know if that works when coaching.

1294
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 13: You know, are you really going to have someone that's

1295
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 13: going to come in uh in quotas support him? And

1296
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 13: what do you allow that to happen? So it's kind

1297
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 13: of a no man plan what Bill's going to be

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Speaker 13: at this point. You know, the season is what it did,

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Speaker 13: aren't but you don't you know, can be not really

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Speaker 13: going to make much.

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Speaker 2: Of a different.

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Speaker 13: I think we've seen what we've seen and we can

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Speaker 13: just hope for a high draft pick. But I would add,

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Speaker 13: you know, putting yourself in the shoes as a GM

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Speaker 13: and assuming that you know you aren't getting Capables or

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Speaker 13: Drake May, who would you start your franchise with next year?

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Speaker 13: What coaching change would you make? And who would you

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Speaker 13: actually maybe you know, assuming buildings identify as a coach

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Speaker 13: and I'll take that off one.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Domini. So head coaching names who are we

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Speaker 3: talking about.

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Speaker 5: Mao.

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Speaker 3: He's in the house. But but that goes counter to

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Speaker 3: what you're saying with the offense.

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Speaker 5: I don't want that. Yeah, I.

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Speaker 8: Liked Mayo a lot for two reasons.

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Speaker 7: One, I think defensively, they still have a really good

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Speaker 7: system and that keeps that side of the ball in

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Speaker 7: place where you have a defense that has been successful,

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Speaker 7: and can you can keep that together, keep building with

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Speaker 7: what they've done on that side of the ball, because

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Speaker 7: I and maybe you know, I think Paul and I

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Speaker 7: might disagree with that on this a little bit, but

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Speaker 7: I don't think the defense has.

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Speaker 8: Been the problem, like, oh no, for for three years.

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Speaker 7: Are they as good as maybe they could be or

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Speaker 7: you know whatever, Maybe not. But I liked Odd Mayol

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Speaker 7: a lot. I think that, you know, some of the

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Speaker 7: things that you hear talk about Mayo. Two is that

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Speaker 7: he is pretty into some of like the new way

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Speaker 7: of thinking about building a football team and you know,

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Speaker 7: analytically and things like that. And although he wouldn't be

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Speaker 7: the offensive coach necessarily to tie it all together, ideally,

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Speaker 7: I think you would have somebody that would prioritize offense

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Speaker 7: and see the importance of offense in today's game because

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Speaker 7: I think he sees it a little bit differently in

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Speaker 7: that respect, and Bill.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you could sell me on it if

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Speaker 6: you can give him a strong young mind offensively, you know,

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Speaker 6: a strong offensive coordinator to come in and sort of

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 6: change the way they do it. Because I get back

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Speaker 6: to what Mike and Evan were talking about earlier in

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00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 6: the show about they need to find the importance of

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Speaker 6: scoring points and prioritizing scoring to get I think to

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Speaker 6: where the league is nowadays, and I think that you know,

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Speaker 6: most games are won. You know, the good teams are

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Speaker 6: gonna win by getting up up with the thirty points.

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Speaker 5: And you know, you look at the.

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl between two really good teams and really balanced teams,

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Speaker 6: but it becomes a shootout because that's what the talents

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Speaker 6: is gonna lend itself to. Once you get into those spots,

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Speaker 6: and the talent's gonna win out and you if you

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Speaker 6: can't win that way, you're gonna be held short.

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Speaker 5: So I worry.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know exactly, I don't have the name,

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Speaker 6: I don't have a rolodex of all. You just describe

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Speaker 6: Ben Jonson. Well, Ben Johnson's the guy I want. But

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Speaker 6: I understand that it might not be available. He might

1359
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Speaker 6: not just you know, you can't just wave a magic

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Speaker 6: wand and get whatever. The guy Ben Johnson's the guy

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Speaker 6: that I've had my eye on, yeap.

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Speaker 5: A little bit.

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Speaker 6: You know, I could be sold on Eric b Enemy,

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Speaker 6: you know, like, I don't think that's a tremendously talented

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Speaker 6: roster that Washington has, and they found a way to

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Speaker 6: be pretty competitive offensively every week first year, you know,

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Speaker 6: running the show there with that group of players, I could.

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Speaker 5: Be That's what I want, is an offensive guy. Okay,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to try to talk here in Mike. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I don't think I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Of the shof Mark and elm. Street said he's heading

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Speaker 3: to major dental surgery, but he's not going to take

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Speaker 3: his headphones off. Oh he says. He says he's fifty five.

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Speaker 3: Bill's the best I've ever seen, but he's seventy two

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Speaker 3: and tired of the non football stuff and it's starting

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Speaker 3: to show.

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Speaker 11: So.

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Speaker 3: And he gives one example of Myers, Jacoby Myers getting

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Speaker 3: rid of Jacoby Myers.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I understand what he's talking about. He

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Speaker 6: felt like, I think he's ascribing that whole theory that

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Speaker 6: Jacoby Myers was one of those guys that sort of

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Speaker 6: spoke out against the coaches last year in defensive Mac.

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Speaker 6: I thought what Jacoby Myers did that night was what

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Speaker 6: a leader does and what a good teammate does. I

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Speaker 6: don't like the way that whole quarterback situation against Chicago unfolded,

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Speaker 6: with Mac Jones clearly not one hundred percent healthy, not

1388
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Speaker 6: playing well, get taken out of the game, the crowds reacting,

1389
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Speaker 6: the crowd's rooting for Zappi, and I think Jacoby Myers

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Speaker 6: felt like that was not fair to Mac Jones, and

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Speaker 6: he said so, And a lot of people believe that

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Speaker 6: that's the main reason why Jacoby Myers is now with

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Speaker 6: the Raiders.

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Speaker 5: And if that's.

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Speaker 6: True, Again, we have a lot of speculation on some

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Speaker 6: of these things, but if that's true, I would agree

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Speaker 6: that's the kind of stuff that maybe used to work

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Speaker 6: twenty years ago, but it's a little harder when you

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Speaker 6: don't have a quarterback that's going to make it all

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Speaker 6: all right.

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Speaker 3: We're going to take a break, good time for everybody

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Speaker 3: to hydrate. When we come back for Yeah, we'll have

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Speaker 3: more calls, more emails. Maybe we'll even take some questions

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Speaker 2: And now great moments in history?

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Speaker 16: Remember we talked about doing that, Paul while back taking

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Speaker 16: the show on the taking the show in the row

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Speaker 16: with the r v W.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Paul, I'm so excited about that.

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Speaker 6: That's what I want to do.

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Speaker 3: You guys, You guys wouldn't get it on each other's.

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Speaker 5: That wouldn't happen.

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Speaker 3: And especially.

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Speaker 16: Imagine if we were together all the time. I told you,

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Speaker 16: I told you to take a right turn. No, I

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Speaker 16: know where I'm going. Let me alone.

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Speaker 3: I know where I'm going to do. I don't stop

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Speaker 3: and ask for directions. I don't need directions.

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Speaker 14: And then Eric would be in the back like ironing

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Speaker 14: his his shirt to making sure, they're perfectly folded increased.

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Speaker 5: That's the show. That's the Eric's like we had an agreement.

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Speaker 3: Number two's are being done at McDonald's.

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Speaker 5: Not in the r V.

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Speaker 16: Oh there's McDonald's pull over like they always like McDonald's.

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Speaker 16: My god, we're in Tennessee and they know Fred here

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Speaker 16: at this McDonald's. Friend, you don't need to go to

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Speaker 16: McDonald's and go to the bathroom. We have one on

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Speaker 16: the r V.

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Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 11: No are you one?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Do you hear Memara?

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Speaker 3: Don Okay, We're ready to go. Now, all right, welcome

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Speaker 3: back to Patriots on Filter and eight five to five.

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Speaker 3: PATS five hundred is the A Sticket hotline. Web radio

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Speaker 3: at Patriots dot com is the email address, and we're welcome.

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Speaker 3: Welcoming Tamara Brown to the set right now. Tamoraw is

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Speaker 3: a part of our show back home. Tamara is, uh,

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Speaker 3: explain what you do with the Patriots.

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Speaker 11: I do a lot. I can't hear myself, but hopefully

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Speaker 11: you guys can hear me.

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Speaker 3: We can hear.

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Speaker 8: I'm a reporter, a.

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Speaker 11: Content producer, help with social media. I do a little

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Speaker 11: bit of everything. Others is this whatever my team needs.

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Speaker 11: I'm happy to help with, but I've done a lot

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Speaker 11: writing everything. Yeah, okay, Wow, put me on the spot.

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Speaker 11: So I think, first of all, I agree with not

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Speaker 11: firing Bill Belichick mid season. I think that with his

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Speaker 11: resume speaks for itself, he's done great things for this program,

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Speaker 11: and I think that when it comes to what to

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Speaker 11: do with him for next year, I agree that there

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Speaker 11: needs to be a clean slate freshead coach, A new

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Speaker 11: quarterback would be great, and getting him some weapons. I

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Speaker 11: think that that's the best way to move forward. I

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Speaker 11: think whether it's Mac Jones going to a new program

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Speaker 11: or not, I don't think that he has room here

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Speaker 11: on this team. I think he's too broken honestly right now.

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Speaker 11: I think he deserves a fresh start, like Trey Lance.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and while you've been here in Germany, what have

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Speaker 3: you been doing? I see, if you don't already, you

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Speaker 3: need to follow all the Patriots social media accounts Instagram, x, Facebook, TikTok.

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Speaker 3: And I know you've been all over I know you've

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01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 3: been all over it over the last couple of days.

1515
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: What have you been doing?

1516
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 11: So, Fred, You're actually gonna laugh? So listening to that

1517
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 11: intro coming in from break where they're talking about McDonald's.

1518
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 11: Alex and I and Matisse went to McDonald's because we're like,

1519
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 11: we have to see what McDonald's is like in Germany.

1520
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 11: And as we're coming out, Jason mccordy, former Patriot, he

1521
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 11: sees us and he's like, are you kidding me? You

1522
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 11: guys went to McDonald's during Germany.

1523
01:06:58,600 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 3: I don't blame him.

1524
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 11: But the menu it was different. There were curly fries

1525
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 11: at McDonald's. Can you believe it? Okay, curly fries. They

1526
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,919
Speaker 11: had a whole different menu. So we went to McDonald's.

1527
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 11: We have been around town. We went to It starts

1528
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 11: with an R. Can you pronounce it?

1529
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 5: No? No, I can't.

1530
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 11: I don't know, like Yanni pronounced it multiple times. But

1531
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 11: it was the rombra I think. Am I saying it right?

1532
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 11: I can't remember. But it was a beautiful square. We

1533
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 11: got a lot of great pictures. We shot Patriots all

1534
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 11: access there. It's been great going around town, the galleria,

1535
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 11: all the shopping. We went around there as well. So

1536
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 11: we've been getting our rounds, getting our steps in.

1537
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 3: Okay, five times.

1538
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 5: Menu was exactly the same.

1539
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 6: For what it's worth, Did.

1540
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 3: It taste the same, Yeah, pretty much all right again

1541
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: eight five five pats five hundred. It's the Ace takeing

1542
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 3: a hotline. Tomorrow's gonna stick with us here, so if

1543
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 3: you have any particular questions for her, because she's just

1544
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 3: joining us. Now let's get back to the phones. We'll

1545
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 3: go to Patty in Agawam.

1546
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 17: Guten Morgen myne Dutchen Bruder and schwesterns on prost.

1547
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 3: Are you Russian or German? I don't know.

1548
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 17: I was German.

1549
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 5: Anyway.

1550
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: No one, by the way, Patty hit, no one's here

1551
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: is laughing, not one person.

1552
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 17: I was just born into my German brothers and sisters.

1553
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 17: And hello to you guys and cheers. My question for

1554
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 17: you guys for the panel today is, with uh this

1555
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 17: depleted wide receiver course, can we make plays in the

1556
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 17: passing game against defense.

1557
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: Against the Okay, thanks for the call.

1558
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 5: I think it's a I mean, a good question because

1559
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 5: I talked Aboutkenny Moore earlier and I mentioned Pop Douglas too,

1560
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 5: So those are two guys that you know very well

1561
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 5: growing going up against each other. So you know it

1562
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 5: might come down to I hate to say it, but

1563
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 5: Juju Smith Schuster, you know you gave this guy a

1564
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 5: three year deal, You've got injuries, it's time to step up.

1565
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 5: You know, this team really badly needs to win. Show

1566
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 5: us why they they went out and got him in,

1567
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:00,320
Speaker 5: you know, especially coming off that fourth down play. Uh,

1568
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 5: you know where he had to drop. I guess we

1569
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 5: can call it a drop. It's just it's it hasn't

1570
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 5: been good enough with Juju. He's been a frustrating player

1571
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 5: this year and I think you know you went out

1572
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 5: and side him. Let's let's see why. DeVante Parker, I know,

1573
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 5: has been at practice. He's still doing with concussion issues.

1574
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 5: So they've got a lot of questions and we obviously

1575
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 5: go Bourne is out.

1576
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 11: I'm gonna go with Pop Douglas. I think his workload

1577
01:09:18,280 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 11: has increased over the weeks, whether it be through injuries

1578
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 11: or whether it being he's redeemed himself. I think from

1579
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 11: that from that fumble earlier on in the season. I

1580
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 11: think he's a big playmaker. He's super dynamic, and I

1581
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 11: think that the Colts are going to be looking for

1582
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 11: this Patriots offense to be predictable. I think he is

1583
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 11: that one person that you can't always predict what's gonna

1584
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 11: happen because he has those moves that and he's able

1585
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 11: to get open and and get a few more yards

1586
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 11: in the place. So I'm thinking it's gonna be a

1587
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 11: big one for him.

1588
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 3: We got to get more out of Micah SICKI. Yes,

1589
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I know he had the catch, you know

1590
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: that won that one game. But we've got to get

1591
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 3: more out of him.

1592
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 11: You know, So what about or what about Pharaoh Brown?

1593
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 3: Every time he makes with Pharaol Brown, I feel anything

1594
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 3: that we get out of him is a bonus. So

1595
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 3: I have no complaints with Pharrell Brown, but I think

1596
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: Mike is SICKI and you know, Hunter Henry's been okay,

1597
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: but you know, the tight end position in general, I

1598
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 3: think we need to get a little bit more production

1599
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: out of the tight ends.

1600
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 5: Well that was you know, one of the plays that

1601
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 5: was highlighted, you know, on the internet this week was

1602
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 5: Mikeah SICKI wide open up the seam so absolutely, And

1603
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,720
Speaker 5: I mentioned Juju and him. I mean, these are two

1604
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 5: big pieces that you brought in. I think we were

1605
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 5: all kind of just expecting though Bill O'Brien was the

1606
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 5: key piece, you know, that that was the one that

1607
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 5: was going to take all this, all these ingredients and

1608
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 5: put it together and make a nice meal. But you

1609
01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 5: know it's that's I agree. I mean Bill called him.

1610
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 5: You know, he's basically like our third or fourth wide

1611
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 5: receiver right now, so he's got to be more productive.

1612
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 5: Jalen Riger he's been playing a bunch. He hasn't been

1613
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 5: producted either, So I don't really care who it is.

1614
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 5: They just got to find a way to both.

1615
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 6: The I like Tamara's idea of Douglas because of the

1616
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 6: defense they're playing, you know, with the you know, the

1617
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 6: crossing routes and you know, we talked about Stevenson before

1618
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,839
Speaker 6: the break. I like those kinds of options underneath getting

1619
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,839
Speaker 6: the zone defense's crossing. See if you can get some

1620
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 6: some mismatches, some natural rub routes. Might We don't like

1621
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 6: to call him picks, Mike, you're the on me. We

1622
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 6: don't like to call them picks. We call them rub routes,

1623
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 6: rub route.

1624
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 11: And I think Paul has brought this up, I think

1625
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 11: every single week, and it was his key to the

1626
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 11: game multiple weeks. Run the dang ball.

1627
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:10,800
Speaker 5: I never right though.

1628
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 11: If the Patriots can get back to their bread and

1629
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 11: butter of running the football, I think that could open

1630
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 11: up a lot of things for the wide receivers and

1631
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 11: Titans as well. Well.

1632
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 3: They had that one run last week. We need one one,

1633
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 3: I know, I know, but sixty four yard run. That

1634
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:23,639
Speaker 3: was nice to see.

1635
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 5: Well, and they's also been breaking some tackles too, which

1636
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 5: I think is just a sign of the old Remandre.

1637
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 5: You know, last year the offense was in similar disarray,

1638
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 5: but he was able to get you yards. He'd get

1639
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 5: hit in the backfield, he'd spin out of it, you know,

1640
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 5: somehow he'd get you four or five yards. Those players

1641
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 5: haven't really been there this year, but I think the

1642
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 5: last couple of weeks they have been. They started. You know,

1643
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 5: you're starting to see remondre get a little loose shake,

1644
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 5: shake some tackles and hopefully and the big run last week.

1645
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 5: I'd love to see more of them.

1646
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 3: Can we see? This is how captivating we are right here?

1647
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 3: Number ten in the last row.

1648
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, twelve, I was probably a twelve.

1649
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 6: I was told different, No math.

1650
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 11: Maybe it's just jet lag, you know, Patriots fans coming

1651
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 11: over taking the red out.

1652
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 3: I feel the pain. But during the break I was

1653
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 3: coming in, a fans stopped me and he said, Matt

1654
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: Jones can do this. We just got to get him

1655
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: some help. We've got to get him, you know, an

1656
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: old line that can block, and we've got to get

1657
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 3: him one or two wide receivers. And he was pointing out,

1658
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 3: you know, Josh Allen when he guts Stefon Diggs and Burrow,

1659
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 3: you know with his receivers and Tua with his receivers.

1660
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 3: You know, these guys have like two receivers that they

1661
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: can go to. And he feels that Mac doesn't even

1662
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,839
Speaker 3: really have one. And he thinks that given the pieces,

1663
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 3: MATC could turn this thing around.

1664
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 11: But I feel like my one thing with that is

1665
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 11: I feel like a lot of offensive lines around the

1666
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,479
Speaker 11: league are pretty bad. I mean, if you look at

1667
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 11: Joe Burrow, he made it all the way to a

1668
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 11: Super Bowl with a bad offensive line. So I think

1669
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 11: it's more of the tools in the tool belt. Like

1670
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 11: I think when you look at Joe Burrow and Josh Allen,

1671
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 11: they have the ability to have a big arm, and

1672
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 11: also they have the legs as well, yeah, the athleticism.

1673
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 11: So I think that it's a little bit of both

1674
01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 11: his tools and the tool belt his weapons. There's a

1675
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 11: lot of things to point the finger at. I'm not

1676
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,679
Speaker 11: really sure how much it would change with his weapons.

1677
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, like I said, just make the plays that are there,

1678
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 5: you know, like that's a starting point. Like, let's not

1679
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 5: come out of a game with you know, twenty seven

1680
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 5: different amateur film breakdowns of look at this guy, look

1681
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 5: at this guy, you know, get get the right right

1682
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 5: but no.

1683
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,880
Speaker 3: Tomorrow you mentioned you said the word broken, you know,

1684
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 3: like at you know, is it beyond repair? And sometimes

1685
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 3: you know, we've seen it with other quarterbacks in the

1686
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,680
Speaker 3: history of the NFL that they just get off to

1687
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: the wrong foot in their career and they're on a

1688
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 3: bad team and they get beat up, you know, and

1689
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 3: they just never recover. Yeah, they never you know, achieve

1690
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 3: the potential that people thought they had coming out of

1691
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 3: college because of the start that they had. Now you

1692
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 3: could also argue, well, they probably weren't going to be

1693
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 3: that good anyway. But I think you're in that camp.

1694
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 6: Well, it's it's tough to Yeah, it's tough to make

1695
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 6: that determination, but you're right.

1696
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 11: Yeah, I just don't know any other quarterbacks that have

1697
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 11: been dealt the hand that he had in terms of

1698
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 11: like the defensive coordinator being as an offensive coordinator, you know, right, well,

1699
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 11: having multiple coordinators.

1700
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 3: Kind of unprecedented.

1701
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, and then just you know, being on a team

1702
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 11: that's in the middle of a rebuilding stage already with

1703
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 11: a lack of pieces all around him. So I think

1704
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,800
Speaker 11: that just the hand he was dealt was tough. But

1705
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:13,559
Speaker 11: I'm looking forward to seeing if maybe he can overcome it.

1706
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,360
Speaker 11: Obvious it's been a couple of years now, but we'll see.

1707
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like a philosophical question of you know,

1708
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,680
Speaker 5: how do you get a quarterback back on track? You know,

1709
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 5: and I think, you know, Mac, we can talk about

1710
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 5: Max rookie year and you know what it was, what

1711
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 5: it wasn't, But I think that he was at least

1712
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 5: in rhythm with the offense and he knew what he

1713
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,640
Speaker 5: was doing, and you know, how do you get him

1714
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 5: back to that point? Because a lot of these plays

1715
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 5: you're watching over the last few weeks, it doesn't look

1716
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:37,839
Speaker 5: like a quarterback who's you know, in rhythm with the offense.

1717
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know, you guys have been

1718
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 5: watching a lot more football than I have. You know,

1719
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 5: a long term who are those quarterbacks? Does it require

1720
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 5: having to go to a different team and you know,

1721
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 5: be reset with a new offense and kind of just

1722
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,639
Speaker 5: a clean slate because I felt like he was kind

1723
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 5: of getting that this year.

1724
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 6: I do think, you know, all of those things are

1725
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 6: case by case basis, and you could make arguments.

1726
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 5: And you look at a guy like Gino Smith.

1727
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 6: H who you know, never really sort of pan out

1728
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 6: with the Jets and you know, bounced around a little bit.

1729
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 6: Then he goes to Seattle, he's the backup quarterback for

1730
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 6: a while, and then Russell Wilson leazy gets a chance

1731
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 6: and he was competent, he played, he played reasonably well,

1732
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 6: led the team to the playoffs, and you know, it

1733
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 6: looks like, you know, there was some talent there all along.

1734
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 6: You know, could that happen with mac Jones?

1735
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 5: Sure?

1736
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 6: I mean, how do you know unless you know it

1737
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 6: all unfolds and he gets that opportunity. But I kind

1738
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 6: of looked at it and I think all of the

1739
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 6: excuses for mac Jones are valid.

1740
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 5: You know, the offensive line hasn't played.

1741
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 6: Great, they haven't been able to run the ball, they

1742
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 6: haven't had the you know, the star playmakers and receivers,

1743
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 6: and I think all of that can be true, and

1744
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 6: Mac Jones hasn't played well, not handled all of those

1745
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 6: things well. And for me, it's it's a lot less.

1746
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,520
Speaker 6: I know a lot of people fixate on the skill set,

1747
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 6: and I do too. I'm not saying that I don't,

1748
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 6: but like the arm strength and all that is relevant.

1749
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 5: But to me, the bigger thing is I want to

1750
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:56,120
Speaker 5: see him.

1751
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 6: Sort of take the offense as his own and become

1752
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 6: a leader and sort of embrace the coaching that he's

1753
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 6: getting instead of sort of worrying about what he's not getting. Yeah,

1754
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 6: I feel like there hasn't been enough, you know.

1755
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,639
Speaker 3: And I hate to say it, Like right now, I

1756
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 3: just don't see the signs that if he had those

1757
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 3: things he could do something with them, you know, right,

1758
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 3: he'd be better.

1759
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 6: But I don't know if he'd be the guy that

1760
01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 6: you would.

1761
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,799
Speaker 3: But if that was the case, you'd be seeing signs

1762
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 3: of it now, like oh wow, he's really making you know,

1763
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 3: we call it uh chicken salad out of chicken shit, right,

1764
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 3: Like I can do that.

1765
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 5: I mean Europe we're a little bit looser with regulation.

1766
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:39,000
Speaker 3: You know, like he would be doing things that would say, okay,

1767
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:42,760
Speaker 3: he's doing things without that, man, if we just gave

1768
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 3: him that. But I'm not seeing those signs, and that's

1769
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 3: that's what it's frustrating me when it comes to math Fred.

1770
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 11: What was different about the Bills game. I feel like

1771
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 11: we saw a different map.

1772
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 5: Just that last drive. I mean, I think it was

1773
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,719
Speaker 5: you know, it's a quick question. It's a handful of plays,

1774
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,560
Speaker 5: and you know, I don't think it was like, can

1775
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 5: I be really honest, they got forty yards on the screen. Yeah,

1776
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,599
Speaker 5: that's what Paul does the show like that.

1777
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 3: But to be fair, okay, so that got them, you know,

1778
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 3: to like the thirty yard line. They still had to

1779
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 3: get it in the To.

1780
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 6: Me, the hard part was done because now that all

1781
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 6: the pressure is off, you're in field goal range and

1782
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 6: now you're you're just gonna squeeze it down there. They

1783
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 6: got a couple of penalty threw a good ball to Hunter.

1784
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 6: Henry Listen, I've said this many times. I think he's

1785
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 6: good enough to his skill set is good enough to

1786
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 6: win games. I don't know if you can win it

1787
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 6: all with him, but he's he should be better than this.

1788
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 6: He's not a two and seven quarterback in terms of

1789
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,000
Speaker 6: his skills. It should be better than that. But I

1790
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 6: also look at the Bills game, and we were all

1791
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 6: in agreement.

1792
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 5: He was great.

1793
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,439
Speaker 6: I thought he played great in the fourth quarter the

1794
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 6: two drives, not just the one two touchdown drives. But

1795
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 6: at this point after three years, that to me is

1796
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 6: a one off.

1797
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the exception, not the rule.

1798
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: And you know the other thing that kind of just

1799
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 3: threw everybody kind of for a loop this year was

1800
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 3: you looked at the season, said, okay, the floor. We

1801
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 3: have a thing we call the floor in the ceiling.

1802
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 3: The floor is the worst you can be, and the

1803
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 3: ceiling is as good as you can be. And we said,

1804
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 3: you know, probably the floor is seven or eight losses,

1805
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:17,879
Speaker 3: you know, because you got the greatest coach in history,

1806
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 3: and he'll keep you from going below that below that floor.

1807
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 3: And here we are at two and seven.

1808
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,800
Speaker 5: And still in play.

1809
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,400
Speaker 3: Fraid well, yeah it is, I have to admit. But

1810
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 3: that's something that surprised us. We figured that just having

1811
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick would would win us some games, and right

1812
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 3: now that's not even happening. So Ian from the UK

1813
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:46,439
Speaker 3: rights in at web rady wet Patriots dot com and

1814
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,599
Speaker 3: he says, why does Bill want to beat Shula's win record?

1815
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 3: Apart from he might have a grudge against him, would

1816
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 3: you rather have six rings in nine overall and not

1817
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 3: get those total wins, or beat Shula and have the

1818
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 3: total wins and only two rings. Bill will be remembered

1819
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 3: for the rings, not the wins. I agree with that.

1820
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:07,559
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I.

1821
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 6: Think it wasn't It wasn't that Teddy Bruski's passionate speech on.

1822
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 5: ESPN a few weeks ago.

1823
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 6: Like I, no one really doubts that he's a great coach,

1824
01:19:18,240 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 6: and that you know, a lot of people think he's

1825
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 6: far better than Don Shula Evil Wars was so I

1826
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 6: would agree with that sentiment. But obviously, if you have

1827
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 6: a chance and you're that close to win more games

1828
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 6: as a coach than anybody else ever did, I can

1829
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 6: understand why that means a lot to him.

1830
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 5: So close, you come so far, you can see why

1831
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:37,600
Speaker 5: he wants to finish it. But I also think that

1832
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 5: it's just something that's kind of hung over this whole

1833
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 5: argument about what to do with Bill, and you know,

1834
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 5: but the record, the record would hope that factor right,

1835
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 5: like you shouldn't. It shouldn't factor in. You know, it's

1836
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 5: it's great for Bill, how much does it really mean

1837
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 5: for the fans? I don't know.

1838
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 3: All right, you guys want to ask some questions. Anybody

1839
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 3: have questions. One person nodding.

1840
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 5: All right, everybody else nodding off.

1841
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 3: Should we open it up to people asking questions? Do

1842
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 3: you want to do that? Okay?

1843
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 5: Number ten?

1844
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 3: What's your questions? I think it's twelve, Okay, all right.

1845
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 3: I'm just saying we have a question in the front row.

1846
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 3: When is he going to play? Okay?

1847
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 5: So that's it this weekend. Maybe, but maybe not. I

1848
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 5: don't know. It's a good question. I mean, it's a

1849
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 5: marriage I've in. But yeah, it's a great question.

1850
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 6: So when we do the show regularly, Fred said it

1851
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 6: at the beginning of the show, and we do it

1852
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 6: regularly a lot of times, we talk pretty open and

1853
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 6: we just kind of throw stuff around and not necessarily

1854
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 6: stuff that we know, but we kind of look at

1855
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 6: the reports this week about J. C. Jackson and Jack

1856
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 6: Jones not getting back to the hotel in time before

1857
01:20:40,439 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 6: the Washington game, and I go back to last Friday

1858
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 6: when Bill Belichick told us in his press conference that

1859
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 6: that was the best week of practice that Kaishawn Booty had.

1860
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 6: Two days later, he's inactive. A couple of guys were late.

1861
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 6: Might not anybody know that Kayshan Booty was too. I

1862
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 6: don't know, it just didn't make any sense that they

1863
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 6: were so high on his week of practice. They was

1864
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 6: short at wide receiver without Kendrick Bourne in Devonte Parker.

1865
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 6: All signs seemed to point toward Booty's gonna play this week,

1866
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 6: and then he didn't. So I don't know if it

1867
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 6: was just because they felt like the roster needed more

1868
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 6: help somewhere else, or if it was something else.

1869
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, not every people can change, but

1870
01:21:19,439 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 3: coming out of college, Booty had some red flags, right,

1871
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, you know that's why he was drafted solo.

1872
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 6: You didn't want to let anybody get by you.

1873
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he was one of the top recruits that

1874
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 3: he was one of the top recruits in the country

1875
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: coming out of high school, and people thought that he was,

1876
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,639
Speaker 3: you know, maybe second round talent. I think some.

1877
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 6: People a year after he had that game against I

1878
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 6: think it was all miss as a freshman, I think

1879
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 6: people thought he might be a first round pick.

1880
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: Right, So his off field behavior made him available later

1881
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: in the draft, and that could be something that's rearing

1882
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,559
Speaker 3: its head. Now, let's let's hope not Let's hope he

1883
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: understands that he could have a very good future in

1884
01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 3: the NFL and gets it to get But I go

1885
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 3: back to what I said when we started. Who are

1886
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 3: the people in the locker room policing these guys? Who

1887
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 3: are you know, who's taking Keisha on Booty by the

1888
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 3: helmet and saying, hey, dude, you know, smart en up,

1889
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 3: you know, get with the program. You could be a

1890
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: great player in this league, but you gotta do it

1891
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 3: the right way. I don't know, I don't know the

1892
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 3: answer to that, but somebody's got to step up, right.

1893
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I would say two. Like, you know,

1894
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 5: we watch all a training camp, so we brought live

1895
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 5: broadcaster and training camp. We're up on the side of

1896
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 5: the stadium. We get the L twenty two view. Evan

1897
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 5: loves it. Can't get enough of the side of the

1898
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 5: stadium view.

1899
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 3: He's watching it right now on his phone.

1900
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 5: Booty didn't do a lot this summer. You know, he

1901
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 5: had a good third game in the preseason and he

1902
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 5: had that touchdown run and it was was wow. Great.

1903
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 5: But for all of us who watched every single one

1904
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 5: of those training camp practices and all the joint practices too,

1905
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 5: he's okay, you know, So it's like and like, look,

1906
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 5: I get it. Worth the point now where it's like,

1907
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 5: here's a rookie that hasn't played since Week one, get

1908
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 5: him in there, let's see what we got. I think

1909
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 5: we can all agree on that, but it's just, you know,

1910
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 5: what is the expectation level of what this player acts?

1911
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 6: And by comparison, we did see to Mario Douglas every

1912
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 6: day in training camp. He was making plays every single day,

1913
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 6: and now he has a little bit of a role.

1914
01:23:14,360 --> 01:23:17,639
Speaker 6: And you know, I agree with Mike. There were spots

1915
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 6: here and there where you'd see Booty make a catch

1916
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 6: or you know the preseason game that you're talking about

1917
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 6: good slant catch and run after the catch. There's talent there, obviously,

1918
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:29,320
Speaker 6: but we didn't see it as consistently with him as.

1919
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:30,120
Speaker 5: We did with Douglas.

1920
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 6: And you know, I think that's shown up and one

1921
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 6: thing we can all agree on. You know, back home,

1922
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 6: there's a narrative that he's not playing because he didn't

1923
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 6: get his foot inbounds on that last fourth down play

1924
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 6: in the opener against That's not why you know, Bill

1925
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 6: Belichick doesn't have a guy in his doghouse because he

1926
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 6: couldn't get two feet inbounds on one particular play in

1927
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 6: his first game of his career. So now maybe there's more,

1928
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 6: there's more involved than just that.

1929
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 5: But don't don't don't take shots.

1930
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,719
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, any any other question question, but third

1931
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 3: row and.

1932
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 10: The team, the people, so.

1933
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 18: So many like, yeah, brain drain, yep, yeah, that's a

1934
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 18: good point.

1935
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 3: And Mike mentioned it. We call it brain drain. You know,

1936
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 3: the guys that the good coaches, they get good and

1937
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 3: then the other teams take them and give them promotions

1938
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 3: and they you know, let's let's go down the list.

1939
01:24:56,320 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 3: They they lost Dante, Ernie Adams retired. He was than

1940
01:25:00,200 --> 01:25:01,760
Speaker 3: a coach, but he was an advisor.

1941
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 2: You know.

1942
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 3: Nick Casario left, he was a GM. He wasn't really

1943
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 3: the GM for the Pages, but he went to become

1944
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 3: a GM with another Daniels Josh McDaniels left, who was

1945
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 3: you know, So that's that's a valid question, like how

1946
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 3: how much can you lose and still keep up the

1947
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 3: quality of the people around you?

1948
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I tell you mentioned the offensive line too. I

1949
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 5: mean the last four years, I think they've had four

1950
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 5: different combinations. I mean, you know, this year you bring

1951
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 5: in Adrian Clem to hopefully settle things down. But I mean,

1952
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 5: since Dante has left. It's been kind of a rotating

1953
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 5: you know, whatever you wanna call it, circle of you know,

1954
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 5: just coaches coming in, different techniques, different styles. And last

1955
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 5: year with Maddy p trying to do the offensive line

1956
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 5: and the offensive coordinating, which again to go back to

1957
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,759
Speaker 5: training camp. When we're watching it, he's like coordinating offense

1958
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 5: and he's got to run to the offensive line and

1959
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 5: he's coming back. You know, you could just tell from

1960
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 5: that like it, look, this doesn't look like it's gonna work,

1961
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,799
Speaker 5: you know, early on from our perspective.

1962
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:57,559
Speaker 6: So we could talk about all those big names, but

1963
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 6: then there are guys like Matt Patricia that he's talking about.

1964
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,360
Speaker 6: Brian Flores was sort of the de facto defensive coordinator

1965
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 6: and that they had a lot of success with and

1966
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 6: you know, he left to take a job. So over

1967
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 6: the last five to seven years, they've lost a lot

1968
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 6: of coaches off the staff. And you brought up bringing

1969
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 6: up the offensive line, you know, Carmen Brasil, Like, it's

1970
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,960
Speaker 6: not just Dante Scarneki who's been gone a while now,

1971
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 6: but it's even the guys that replaced the guys are

1972
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:26,840
Speaker 6: now going. So there have been a lot of guys

1973
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 6: leaving but.

1974
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:32,520
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. In you know, one of Bill's qualities

1975
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 3: is that he's very loyal to people, and he expects

1976
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 3: the loyalty back. But I think that quality hurts him

1977
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 3: when it comes to hiring coaches. He only wants to

1978
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 3: hire coaches that either he has experienced with or he

1979
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 3: the person that is recommending them is someone that is

1980
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 3: kind of in his circle of trust, and I think

1981
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 3: sometimes that limits the pool of coaches that he has

1982
01:26:59,439 --> 01:27:01,599
Speaker 3: to choose from. Yeah, you know, I think that's kind

1983
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:02,759
Speaker 3: of hurt him over the years.

1984
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 11: I like that, Fred, because I was just going to say,

1985
01:27:04,360 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 11: I feel like the NFL has just changed so much,

1986
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 11: especially with the style of the quarterback play now. And

1987
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 11: I know Bill's a big defensive guy, I feel like

1988
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 11: the quarterback has changed. I feel like their guys are

1989
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 11: so much faster and there's a lot of dual threat

1990
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 11: quarterbacks out there now. And I feel like when you

1991
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 11: have the league changing so much, you do need to

1992
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 11: bring in some fresh minds. I mean, look at Mike McDaniel.

1993
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 11: I feel like what he's done with Miami. Like, I know,

1994
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 11: people make jokes all the time, he looks like, you know,

1995
01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 11: a science teacher or an analyst or something. It's true,

1996
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 11: there are just so many different types of coaches out there,

1997
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 11: and why would you not want to bring in one

1998
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 11: of those unique, you know, pieces that could really change

1999
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 11: your program for the better?

2000
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Ryan and Missouri, right, San, He says, question I

2001
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:46,640
Speaker 3: have is why is Bill's coaching tree so unsuccessful when

2002
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 3: it comes to head coaching. I know they're good offensive

2003
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: coordinators and defensive coordinators, but why have they not blossomed

2004
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:54,080
Speaker 3: into head coaches?

2005
01:27:54,160 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I mean a great question. Yeah, that's a

2006
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 5: great question. I mean, you know, Bill O'Brien did have

2007
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,600
Speaker 5: some success, you know with the Texans, and you know,

2008
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 5: Rome for now had success. I mean it's you know,

2009
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,080
Speaker 5: it's not totally barren, but a lot of the new guys.

2010
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:06,759
Speaker 5: I mean, look, Josh McDaniels, we just saw what happened

2011
01:28:06,760 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 5: with him. It's you know, I just I mean, Paul,

2012
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 5: you've got a pretty good take on this, one of

2013
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 5: you know, is this really a bad reflection on Bill?

2014
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:16,640
Speaker 5: You know, necessarily that everyone wants to make it out well,

2015
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 5: he must not be as good as a coach, because no,

2016
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 5: none of his coaches went on I.

2017
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 6: Don't I go the other way, and I say, maybe

2018
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,000
Speaker 6: Bill's a better coach than all those other guys because

2019
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 6: they obviously weren't great without him, so they were able

2020
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 6: to do it.

2021
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: Now.

2022
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 6: I know it's a very simplistic way of looking at it,

2023
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 6: but you do wonder how much of it gets back

2024
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,559
Speaker 6: to Tom Brady and you know, and those.

2025
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:37,639
Speaker 5: Guys got him.

2026
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 6: But you know, those guys got jobs, you know, Josh

2027
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,639
Speaker 6: McDaniels and and then the one guy who had some

2028
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 6: success is Bill O'Brien. And he's the one guy out

2029
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:49,640
Speaker 6: of all those guys that really wasn't like born and

2030
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 6: nurtured in the New England system. He was already, you know,

2031
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 6: an established offensive coordinator at the high college level when

2032
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 6: he came to the NFL with Bill, So I don't

2033
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 6: think he was sort of, you know, fostered under that

2034
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 6: he wasn't a creation of Brady.

2035
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 3: Yep. Let's see. This is Sean and he writes in

2036
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 3: from Maine. He says, I have never lost faith in Bill.

2037
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:15,479
Speaker 3: I've lost faith in Mac. I knew he was not

2038
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 3: the guy halfway through last season. I wanted to cut

2039
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 3: Baiton and draft a quarterback this last draft. We should

2040
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 3: keep drafting quarterbacks until we get a winner on the

2041
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 3: topic of an offensive genius, coaches and weapon and Evan

2042
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 3: you could just shake your head yes or no. Does

2043
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 3: Evan think of Sean Payton as one of those coaches?

2044
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 3: If so, how come the Broncos are not better with

2045
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 3: a supposed weapon like Jerry Judy to help us. Dude,

2046
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 3: So you think that Sean Payton is one of those

2047
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,520
Speaker 3: offensive minded coaches.

2048
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 5: Don't talk, just not think so.

2049
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 6: Evan thinks Russell Wilson has washed. I would sort of

2050
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 6: agree with him on that. I think Russell Wilson is

2051
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 6: a show of his former self. But I also wonder

2052
01:29:57,320 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 6: just how much, you know, we were really close to

2053
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 6: the situation in New England. How much was Sean Payton

2054
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 6: all about Drew Brees in that environment, that controlled environment

2055
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 6: in the Dome?

2056
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 5: Totally different in Denver, right, Yeah, they That's.

2057
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 3: The thing about That's why I love American football so much.

2058
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,720
Speaker 3: To me, it's the ultimate team sport. You can get

2059
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame in American football and not

2060
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 3: even have any stats. Those are offensive linemen. They get

2061
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 3: in just because they block. There's no other sport like

2062
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 3: that where you have eleven guys all doing something completely different.

2063
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 3: For the most part, and if one guy screws up,

2064
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 3: it can screw up the whole play. And it's it's

2065
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 3: kind of the same thing that we're talking about when

2066
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 3: it comes to you know, why were the Patriots great?

2067
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 3: Of course Tom Brady was the main reason. We all

2068
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 3: know that now, but I don't think he would have

2069
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 3: been as great without Bill Belichick. And he wouldn't have

2070
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 3: been as great without Rob Gronkowski and Teddy Bruski and

2071
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 3: let's just start naming these these players. That's why football

2072
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,520
Speaker 3: is great. But you have to have that that combination

2073
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 3: of coach quarterback is so key in the NFL. You

2074
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,800
Speaker 3: talk about any of the great teams and they seem

2075
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 3: to have that really good coach and really good quarterback.

2076
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just the length of time too. I mean,

2077
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 5: I think that's what's you know, unique about really having

2078
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 5: almost two separate dynasties of three Super Bowls, And you know,

2079
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 5: we talk about it all the time. Again, the draft

2080
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,600
Speaker 5: is kind of my thing, but you know, just what

2081
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 5: would happen if Rob Gronkowski and Julian Edelman didn't come

2082
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,599
Speaker 5: out of those years the Chandler Jones I Chandler did.

2083
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:31,520
Speaker 3: It's Chandler.

2084
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 5: I had Chandler air in Jeremy I can't pronounce his name,

2085
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,679
Speaker 5: Dante Hi Tower. You know, they found those star players,

2086
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 5: and I think that's when you talk about how we

2087
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,639
Speaker 5: got to this point, is that as Gronk and Edelman

2088
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 5: started to fade out in the late twenty tens, they

2089
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:46,920
Speaker 5: didn't really hit those picks in the draft. And you

2090
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 5: didn't you know, Nikhil Harry did not become the player

2091
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 5: that they needed him to become. Sony Michelle did you know,

2092
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 5: although it was a key part of a Super Bowl run,

2093
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 5: did not become you know, a first down worthy running

2094
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,759
Speaker 5: back who could do it all and really threatened defenses

2095
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 5: in a number of ways. And you know, I just again,

2096
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 5: just my philosophy is that so much of this is

2097
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:04,960
Speaker 5: just tied to those draft pick misses.

2098
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:12,160
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see Joe in Leamington SPA UK. Okay, let's go.

2099
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 8: He says, uh.

2100
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,320
Speaker 3: Just to start, he says, the Byron shirt is getting

2101
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 3: hate because Barron has won the last eleven league titles

2102
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:23,880
Speaker 3: by buying the best players from the other Bundesliga of teams.

2103
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,080
Speaker 3: So they all dislike Baron a fair bid. That's true,

2104
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 3: That's not true. Yes, no, okay, speaking from the Patriots,

2105
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 3: rooting for the Yankees, speaking for the Patriots. We could

2106
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 3: use a little bit of buying the best players these days, right,

2107
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 3: That's not a bad idea anyway. In my opinion, Bill

2108
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 3: is not going to be the head coach next season.

2109
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 3: Too many things count against him, talent, management, buy in, drafting.

2110
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 3: But firing him midseason would be disrespectful for all the

2111
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 3: time and success during his tenure. I think we all,

2112
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 3: I really agree, we agree with that. If that disrespect

2113
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 3: extends to firing him on Black Monday, then how about

2114
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 3: this for an idea, announced before the last game against

2115
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 3: the Jets that an agreement has been reached the Jets

2116
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,960
Speaker 3: will be bills last game in charge. Then you can

2117
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 3: have the whole build up in ceremony around the game,

2118
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,560
Speaker 3: in a full game, hopefully a win, to celebrate the

2119
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 3: greatest coach of walteron.

2120
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:19,680
Speaker 5: No way, no way, no way, because of this, like

2121
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 5: I'll say, like, look, this has been like kind of

2122
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 5: a tough season. You know, look there two and seven,

2123
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,880
Speaker 5: there was nothing like Bill Belichick during Jets week. Like

2124
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,639
Speaker 5: Jets week, he is laser focused. He wants to win

2125
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 5: that anything else in the entire universe. So like, no

2126
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,920
Speaker 5: matter how the rest of the season goes, like, tune

2127
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 5: into that game because especially if the Jets are trying

2128
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:38,680
Speaker 5: to make it into the playoffs, like I promise you,

2129
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 5: the Patriots could be two and two and fifteen or

2130
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,640
Speaker 5: fourteen at that point, he everything he has will go

2131
01:33:44,680 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 5: into that game and he will not let them do

2132
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 5: a whole pumping circumstance ceremony for him as he's getting

2133
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:49,479
Speaker 5: ready to play.

2134
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 6: Like the idea that.

2135
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 11: That game might be wild simply for the fact that

2136
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 11: Aaron Rodgers is allegedly coming back.

2137
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 3: That would be something because its people don't know. The

2138
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 3: Patriots have eaten the Jets fifteen straight times sixteen sixteen now,

2139
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,240
Speaker 3: so if they beat them this year, they break the

2140
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 3: record for most consecutive wins against one team.

2141
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 5: Right, my goodness, Yet.

2142
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 3: That's wild, I think so checked.

2143
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,640
Speaker 5: I'm not sure there was the way we could look

2144
01:34:17,680 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 5: at anyone.

2145
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 3: At least it might be the existing record that you know,

2146
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 3: like ongoing it's a lot or something, but anyway, it's

2147
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:26,920
Speaker 3: it's seventeen straight wins against the team is huge, and

2148
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 3: you don't want to break that string. So you have

2149
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,759
Speaker 3: to beat the Jets. You know, but like you said, tomorrow,

2150
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 3: if Aaron Rodgers is playing, it's gonna be It's gonna

2151
01:34:35,320 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 3: be wild.

2152
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Speaker 11: It's gonna be wild because I think that the Jets

2153
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 11: defense is so good and the only thing that they've

2154
01:34:40,479 --> 01:34:43,040
Speaker 11: been missing is a serviceable quarterback. I'm sorry if there

2155
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 11: are any Zach Wilson fans in here, but he's not

2156
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 11: it and never has been it. They're just they're just

2157
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 11: not good.

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01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers Jersey here early?

2159
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:53,799
Speaker 11: Are you kidding?

2160
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there was narrow packers.

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01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 3: Any other questions questions we had questions in the back. Yeah,

2162
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 3: we can hear you say.

2163
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 5: The offensive line has been a major issue. The last

2164
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 5: two game, it's been a little better.

2165
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Speaker 3: So do you do you think there can be an

2166
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 3: improvement in the type of plays that are called?

2167
01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 6: Okay, so he's talking about the offensive line has been

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01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:41,760
Speaker 6: a problem all year, but it's been a little bit

2169
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 6: better the last couple of weeks, and you know, there

2170
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Speaker 6: are things that they can do to make that even

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01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 6: better in terms of play calling.

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01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 5: Ye, right, So how do you feel about that? I

2173
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 5: mean yes and no, I mean obviously throwing, you know,

2174
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 5: trying to chuck the ball downfield, and you know, make

2175
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 5: let Mac hold up on you know, big seven step drops.

2176
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 5: It's it's probably not a great key, uh, you know,

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01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 5: ideally to have just short passing game. And I think

2178
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 5: we've been you know, kind of hammering that for most

2179
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 5: of the season talking about that. That's the way you

2180
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 5: make up for an offensive. I also think run the ball,

2181
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 5: run the ball.

2182
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Speaker 11: Run.

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Speaker 3: But but you know, you talk about are these the

2184
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 3: right plays, and you look at the scoreboard and you

2185
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 3: look at the status you say, well, no, they're not

2186
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 3: they're not working. But if you watch the game, there

2187
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:23,320
Speaker 3: are plays that are there to be had. And Bill

2188
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 3: even said it or at least alluded to it in

2189
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 3: his press conference, like there were there were opportunities there

2190
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 3: and whether they were drop balls or misspasses or miss

2191
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: blocks or whatever. The it's not the play, it's the execution.

2192
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,639
Speaker 3: I think the play calling is fine. I think they're

2193
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:47,000
Speaker 3: just not executing. And every time it's something different. It's

2194
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 3: a penalty, it's a misthrow, it's a guy running a

2195
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,120
Speaker 3: wrong route. You know, you can only get down to

2196
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 3: the basics so much. You know, the Patriots have been

2197
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 3: easy to defend for too long. We've got to do

2198
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 3: something to break that, and so I I don't look

2199
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,719
Speaker 3: at the play calling and Bill O'Brien as the problem.

2200
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 3: I really don't. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if

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01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 3: anyone agree.

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01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 6: No, I mean, it's never gonna be perfect, and there's

2203
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:11,599
Speaker 6: always going to be plays that you can nitpick. But

2204
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 6: but yeah, I would agree largely that it's not about

2205
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 6: the plays that they're calling.

2206
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 5: It's about the execution.

2207
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the talents of the guys that are trying

2208
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 6: to execute.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

2210
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,679
Speaker 3: Let's go to the phones and we'll go to Todd

2211
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,200
Speaker 3: in North Carolina. Hate Todd of guys, I'm in.

2212
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 17: The car, but it's I've got a really interesting thing

2213
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 17: going on from listening to your discussion. You guys are

2214
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 17: talking about, you know, who's the guy in the locker

2215
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:37,040
Speaker 17: rooms that the leaders that keep everything going.

2216
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 10: You know, who's who's the man that's.

2217
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:42,080
Speaker 14: Going to take that, who's in Bill's here to help

2218
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 14: him get through things.

2219
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 17: Who is on the cookies?

2220
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 3: Okay, So thanks Todd. He's kind of reiterating what I

2221
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,759
Speaker 3: said before, wondering who are those people?

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01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:58,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's it's you know, it's Matthew Slater

2223
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:00,639
Speaker 5: and David Andrews. It's it's the guys from the old guard,

2224
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 5: you know. And I think when you look at Kyle

2225
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 5: Dugger being a free agent, it's it's who are the

2226
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 5: new guys. Who are the young guys that are going

2227
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 5: to pick up the mantle and take it. You lost

2228
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,000
Speaker 5: Devin mccorty last year, you know, just one of the

2229
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 5: all time great Patriots, great leaders.

2230
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 2: You know.

2231
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 5: I think we're seeing some of the growing pains the

2232
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:15,680
Speaker 5: last couple of weeks with all the big plays that

2233
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 5: they've been giving up without Devin mccordy there on the

2234
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:20,599
Speaker 5: back end. So I think that's part of this, like

2235
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 5: coming off season, is setting that trajectory out. You know,

2236
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,080
Speaker 5: Matthew Slater a good chance he might retire at the

2237
01:38:25,160 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 5: end of this year. He's been doing it forever, you know,

2238
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:29,600
Speaker 5: David Andrews certainly closer to the end. So they have

2239
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,719
Speaker 5: to find those guys. They have to find that next

2240
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 5: wave of you know, players who are going to do

2241
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 5: it their own way. And you know, I think in

2242
01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,599
Speaker 5: a way, Slater, mccordy, those guys are in a tough position.

2243
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 5: They were the ones charged with carrying the towrds post

2244
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,640
Speaker 5: Tom Brady. As we know now maybe a near impossible

2245
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 5: task to you know, continue that kind of level of discipline.

2246
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 5: And you know, Brady himself was the standard bearer. He

2247
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 5: was the one who's you know, first one in, last

2248
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 5: guy to leave all that stuff. So it's just it's

2249
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 5: it's it's hard right now. And you hope that the

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01:38:56,520 --> 01:38:58,679
Speaker 5: team this offseason is going to say, you know, hey,

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01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 5: Kyle Duggar, you have some warts. You know, he's not

2252
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 5: a perfect player, but you know, this is a guy

2253
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,560
Speaker 5: that we want to invest in and really show the

2254
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 5: rest of the team. This is a guy that you

2255
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 5: know is going to be around for a while that

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01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:07,920
Speaker 5: you should listen to.

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01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 3: I mean, we're getting to the point in the on

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01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 3: the Patriots team where the only person who has had

2259
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 3: Super Bowl successes Bill you know, Matthew Slater this could

2260
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 3: be his last season, and those guys are.

2261
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:27,519
Speaker 5: Leaving, and so Andrews, you know, but not many.

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01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 3: It is not many. And they're all seemed to be

2263
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball, you know, except

2264
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 3: for Andrews, and you know he's getting up there too.

2265
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 3: So you know, who are the voices and what credibility

2266
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 3: do they have? And when you have a young team,

2267
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 3: then you need a strong coaching staff. Remember when Bill

2268
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,400
Speaker 3: first came here, one of the first things he did

2269
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 3: in two thousand is he hired Romeo Crenell and Charlie

2270
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 3: Weiss and and guys that you know had been around

2271
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 3: the block a little bit and he brought them into

2272
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 3: the team. And you know, because he knew that, you know,

2273
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 3: he had a team full of guys who hadn't won.

2274
01:40:05,960 --> 01:40:08,960
Speaker 3: And we get back to the brain drain. That's that's

2275
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 3: an issue. That's an issue. Who are the coaches?

2276
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 5: So you just talk too, Fred about just you know

2277
01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 5: this offseason, like no tight ends under contract, no tackles

2278
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 5: under contract. You know you have basically vermondra Stevenson is

2279
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 5: you're only running back. There's an opportunity I think, you know,

2280
01:40:23,080 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 5: regardless of what happens coaching changes, quarterback changes, whatever happens

2281
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 5: next year, they have the opportunity to And we've met

2282
01:40:29,320 --> 01:40:32,400
Speaker 5: cap space too, got they got some money to spend. Theoretically,

2283
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 5: they have an opportunity to change things dynamically this offseason.

2284
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to Harry in Connecticut. What's up, Harry?

2285
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:40,760
Speaker 3: If you.

2286
01:40:42,439 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 17: Hey, guys man, Yeah, uh, first time call. I just

2287
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 17: want to thank you guys, for all the work that

2288
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:52,719
Speaker 17: you do. I just wanted to ask what your guys'

2289
01:40:52,920 --> 01:40:55,639
Speaker 17: top ten Patriots running back of all time lost?

2290
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 5: Oh?

2291
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 3: Ten? Yeah you got to go down ten. Oh, I

2292
01:40:59,640 --> 01:41:01,519
Speaker 3: don't know, Thanks, Harry.

2293
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 5: My one is Curtis Martin.

2294
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Curtis Martin was Yeah, he was great too soon. Yeah.

2295
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 5: Uh he's still with us, Mike.

2296
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:10,720
Speaker 11: Not.

2297
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:13,600
Speaker 5: I mean, he's off the Patriots. To me, it's a

2298
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 5: good question because really it's been a position that it's

2299
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,040
Speaker 5: just had an interesting role with him. I mean, you know,

2300
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,920
Speaker 5: is is it wrong to say Kevin Falk, you know,

2301
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:22,040
Speaker 5: like a guy who's at all, you know, reliable in

2302
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:24,280
Speaker 5: big sites in the top ten? You know, it wasn't

2303
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 5: uh what was you know, it wasn't one of those

2304
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:28,080
Speaker 5: you know, three two thousand yard run rushing news or

2305
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 5: anything like that.

2306
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,760
Speaker 11: But Dylan, I like this question a lot because I

2307
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 11: feel like a lot of people have been saying that

2308
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 11: the Patriots offense has not been finding success because they're

2309
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 11: missing that third down back. And I feel like, you know,

2310
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 11: this year, everyone's like, oh, we need James Why we

2311
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 11: need James White? And I'm like, is it just the

2312
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 11: third down back that could really change the true tuctory

2313
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 11: of this offense.

2314
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 3: Well, James White's probably in the in the conversation just

2315
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,360
Speaker 3: for that twenty eight three game alone, right.

2316
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 5: Right, I mean super Bowl Championship.

2317
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,559
Speaker 3: What about what about Tony Collins old school?

2318
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, Sam Cunningham if you want to, you know, back

2319
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 6: in the day, would be on my list.

2320
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 5: Chris Matt Smith. We got.

2321
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 6: Horace Ivory, Sam Vam cunning here.

2322
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 5: How did I dismiss him? I just brought him up.

2323
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:18,320
Speaker 5: I didn't.

2324
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 6: I was not dismissive.

2325
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:21,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I would.

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01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 6: Those those are the guys that I would lean to,

2327
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 6: and and the third down backs to me are a

2328
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 6: little different.

2329
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:27,320
Speaker 5: They are backs, so they all count.

2330
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 6: And I would certainly have Shane Vereen, James White, Kevin.

2331
01:42:31,400 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 5: Fall great great Patriots, all three. Tony Collins was a

2332
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 5: great Patriots too. There was nothing quite like Curtis Martin

2333
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 5: though those first I mean, that was you know, I

2334
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,759
Speaker 5: mean some of the people might be newer Patriots fans,

2335
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:46,559
Speaker 5: but that was that was a heartbreaking situation. You felt

2336
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 5: like you had an all star running back, an absolute stud,

2337
01:42:49,320 --> 01:42:51,360
Speaker 5: and and Bill Parcells came in and stole them from you,

2338
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 5: as it said, and then and then played you twice

2339
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 5: a year with him.

2340
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:55,439
Speaker 6: After three years of a Hall of Fame, he was

2341
01:42:55,479 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 6: going to the Hall of Fame, and that's where he

2342
01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:57,880
Speaker 6: wound up.

2343
01:42:58,120 --> 01:42:59,759
Speaker 5: And you got him for the first three years.

2344
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 3: And yeah, with the Jets, a guy who I really

2345
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 3: liked but his career was kind of short lived. With

2346
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 3: the Patriots was John Stevens. I thought he had potential.

2347
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 5: Stevens was a good player.

2348
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:16,680
Speaker 3: He's the guy that hit the jet right forty nine

2349
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 3: and Jeff Jeff Fuller, Jeff Fuller and Jeff Fuller got

2350
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:24,560
Speaker 3: paralyzed from John Stevens running the ball into him. And

2351
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 3: I don't think John Stevens. Yeah, I don't think he

2352
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 3: was ever the same after that. He didn't run as hard.

2353
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 3: That's football, you know, that's that stuff happened.

2354
01:43:33,200 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 6: Marion Butts was Baron but is one of the worst

2355
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 6: all time.

2356
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's do the worst ones. Yeah, those are easier.

2357
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, Marion Butts was three right to the cloud of dust.

2358
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, those colors.

2359
01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's it's funny like American football running backs used

2360
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 3: to get drafted like first or second in the draft.

2361
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 3: You were a great running back in college, you would

2362
01:43:55,760 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 3: go high. And the position has changed lately, like over

2363
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 3: the last twenty years, I'd say, yeah, fifteen twenty years

2364
01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 3: where running backs aren't as valued as wide receivers. Uh,

2365
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,120
Speaker 3: and you know the life of a running back on

2366
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:13,600
Speaker 3: a team. They rarely get that second contract. It's not

2367
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 3: as valuable a position as it used to be.

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01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:17,840
Speaker 5: Even just look at John Robinson right now. You know

2369
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 5: who's just I mean, first couple of weeks just looks

2370
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 5: so good and you know, having trouble now really getting carries,

2371
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 5: and it's a it's a fickle position, and I mean

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01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,360
Speaker 5: it's it's it's tough to pick one of those guys.

2373
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 5: And even with the Sony Michelle thing, you know, you

2374
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:32,679
Speaker 5: invest in then it's not a long shelf life.

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01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 11: I feel like right now, it's like the only one

2376
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:36,559
Speaker 11: I really seeing getting like the bank for his buck

2377
01:44:36,680 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 11: is like Christian McCaffrey. But it's again, it's like how

2378
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 11: long till he gets injured?

2379
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

2380
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 3: All right, any other questions before We're going to wrap

2381
01:44:43,640 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 3: up the show in a few minutes, So if you

2382
01:44:45,760 --> 01:45:06,400
Speaker 3: have any question back there, yep, yeah, yeah, it's a

2383
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 3: good question.

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01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,639
Speaker 5: The questions about picking up the Jones.

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01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, if Mac Jones plays better and you know, do

2386
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 3: you pick up that fifth year option and yes, yeah

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01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: would be my answer. Yeah, yeah, but it's very affordable

2388
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 3: and that's why my answer would be yes. But the

2389
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 3: real question is do you pick up the fifth year

2390
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 3: option and still yeah, pick a quarterback if one becomes

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01:45:28,040 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 3: available always.

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01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 11: I mean I would still pick one simply because they

2393
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 11: don't seem to be not fond of Bailey's Appy, but

2394
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:36,719
Speaker 11: they were okay with losing it. They cut him obviously

2395
01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 11: over the summer and they were able to sign him

2396
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:40,680
Speaker 11: back to the practice squad. But it seems like they

2397
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 11: could be in the running for a backup quarterback if

2398
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 11: they were in place to get one.

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01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,439
Speaker 5: And then somehow like Will Greer has just been the

2400
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 5: practice squad guy, but somehow, like you give Will Greer

2401
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 5: a shot. You know, people are speculating of that, but

2402
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,000
Speaker 5: I just think, you know, to Paul's point, the fifth

2403
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 5: year option is pretty affordable, and it's just good business

2404
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:57,160
Speaker 5: to always take a quarterback, you know, and especially right

2405
01:45:57,200 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 5: now because coming into the season, you felt like you've

2406
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:02,879
Speaker 5: Bailly z Appy, who is a potentially good backup quarterback.

2407
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,759
Speaker 5: I mean, coming into this year, I don't know anybody

2408
01:46:04,760 --> 01:46:06,960
Speaker 5: really was that down on him. And you know then

2409
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:09,000
Speaker 5: they cut him. It was like, oh my gosh, what

2410
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 5: is going on? They cut bailly' zappy? How could that happen?

2411
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 5: And since then it's it's been really hard for him.

2412
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 5: They had the week where he was out for Malie Cunningham.

2413
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 5: So all the signs are pointing to they're not thrilled

2414
01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 5: with their quarterback situation right now. I think Mac is

2415
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 5: in some ways, probably in the second half, you're playing

2416
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 5: for that fifth year option. But he has to play better.

2417
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 6: To me, I know that's what you said in your

2418
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 6: in your question, he would have to play a lot

2419
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 6: better than he has.

2420
01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:35,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, any other questions, last question anyone doesn't even have

2421
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 3: to be about football right over.

2422
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 5: Here, Freddie right in the middle. Where will the Patriots

2423
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 5: to ever be as good as they were? Fred?

2424
01:46:45,640 --> 01:46:48,280
Speaker 3: No, no, and and but that's not saying that they

2425
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 3: won't be good again, but to see to do what

2426
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,759
Speaker 3: they did again, I think I don't think it's possible,

2427
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 3: you know, to be for twenty years, to go to

2428
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 3: ten super Bowl you know, or nine whatever it was.

2429
01:47:02,560 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 3: That's that's humble, Like that's averaging a super Bowl every

2430
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 3: other year that has never been done before in a

2431
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 3: twenty year span, and it's just you know, I can't

2432
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,519
Speaker 3: see it being repeated, you know, by the same team.

2433
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,160
Speaker 3: So no, they won't be ever as good as they were,

2434
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:20,559
Speaker 3: but they still can get back up there and be

2435
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 3: as good as some of the best teams today, you know.

2436
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 3: And that's where, you know, my final final thought on

2437
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 3: Bill Belichick is keeping that team together for twenty years

2438
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,360
Speaker 3: through the success is one of his biggest accomplishments because

2439
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 3: you say, oh, you know, it's easy when you're winning. No,

2440
01:47:36,640 --> 01:47:39,880
Speaker 3: it isn't. Because when you start winning, guys want more,

2441
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,759
Speaker 3: people start feeling entitled, coaches start leaving, as we've seen.

2442
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,519
Speaker 3: So to be able to keep that team together and

2443
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 3: consistently winning over twenty years, I think might be as

2444
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:54,080
Speaker 3: big an accomplishment, you know, doing that as it is

2445
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:58,559
Speaker 3: actually coaching on the field. So yeah, yeah, I mean.

2446
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 5: It's it's unfortunate to say, but it's just I think

2447
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 5: we all realize now you have a little bit of

2448
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 5: a different perspective on the sustained success and how hard

2449
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,920
Speaker 5: it is to you know, just consistently compete at a

2450
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 5: high level and to get to the AFC Championship like

2451
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 5: every year. I mean, you know, even with just some

2452
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:15,360
Speaker 5: of the crappy teams that they faced on their way

2453
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:17,880
Speaker 5: to some of those later AFC championships. It's like, you

2454
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 5: know what, what you wouldn't give right now to just

2455
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,400
Speaker 5: be one of those crappy teams that gets beat on

2456
01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 5: the way to the super Bowl.

2457
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:23,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, I have no doubt that he can get back

2458
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 6: to the super Bowl and have that. But you know,

2459
01:48:26,200 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 6: winning six and twenty years or whatever it was five. Yeah,

2460
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 6: I'm with Fred, that's probably probably asking too much.

2461
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Baron Munich can do it because they

2462
01:48:36,040 --> 01:48:39,640
Speaker 3: buy all the players and the other team, but the Patriots.

2463
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,720
Speaker 6: Do it way to land that plane, Fred, Right, all right,

2464
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 6: well listen, hold on what we have one more thing

2465
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:44,680
Speaker 6: to do?

2466
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:45,479
Speaker 5: Oh? What is that?

2467
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 6: So we do picks every right, every week, we do

2468
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:50,840
Speaker 6: picks usually on Thursdays, but we're going to do a

2469
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 6: show again tomorrow night, So we will pick the Thursday

2470
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 6: night game, which I think starts at like two thirty am.

2471
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind of hurt.

2472
01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 3: And it's a real humdinger.

2473
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:00,920
Speaker 5: Gotta hurry one of the one of the games.

2474
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 6: This is not necessarily indicative of American football, but tonight

2475
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:07,839
Speaker 6: it's Carolina at Chicago. And what's the point The Bears

2476
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 6: are favored by three.

2477
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,760
Speaker 3: Carolina at Chicago Bears a favorite by three.

2478
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 5: Someone recording this.

2479
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 6: By the way, our picks leader is sitting sitting over here, Alex.

2480
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 6: She's beating everybody by I think six games. So he's

2481
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 6: also the only one who takes it with any degree

2482
01:49:27,120 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 6: of seriousness.

2483
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:30,120
Speaker 3: So Alex would never come down for the show. Then

2484
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:32,719
Speaker 3: she started winning the picks contest, and then she started

2485
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 3: showing up right, Okay, all right, she's got to take the.

2486
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:40,759
Speaker 2: Leader.

2487
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 3: It's you can just talk to it. Yeah, there you go.

2488
01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:52,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, why don't you start us off? Since

2489
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 5: you're okay? So Chicago was favored by three in Chicago,

2490
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:01,000
Speaker 5: she does, she ponders it. So we normally picked the

2491
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,559
Speaker 5: winner and the winner by the spread.

2492
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,599
Speaker 11: When's the last time Carolina won a game?

2493
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:10,479
Speaker 6: Two weeks ago they beat Houston and the great C. J.

2494
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 5: Stroud.

2495
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 11: Okay, I'll take the Bears.

2496
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 5: Okay, the Leader has spoken.

2497
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:18,800
Speaker 3: Paul has to mark them down because he keeps the book.

2498
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:23,240
Speaker 5: That's why I usually win, right, put me down for

2499
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 5: the Bears to Paul. Two bad teams.

2500
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 6: But right, all right, Paul, Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm

2501
01:50:30,840 --> 01:50:32,320
Speaker 6: going to take Chicago as well.

2502
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:38,240
Speaker 5: But this is really bad football, is it tight?

2503
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:42,400
Speaker 6: What's a guy's name, Tyson Beagent Bigeon. Yeah, I've taken

2504
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 6: Tyson bagents and I'm not really feeling great about that.

2505
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 6: That's why I'm chasing.

2506
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 5: Dad's an arm wrestler. So I will take the Bears

2507
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 5: and I will lay the points.

2508
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I want to take the Panthers, but I can't.

2509
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 3: So I will take the Bears to win, but I'll

2510
01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:58,160
Speaker 3: take those three points and I'll hedge my bet.

2511
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 6: So Fred hold on Evan from from the Peanut Gallery.

2512
01:51:05,000 --> 01:51:08,320
Speaker 6: All right, Okay, that's why Evans in the last place.

2513
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 5: Okay, so those at home Evans pitching a Bryce Young

2514
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 5: coming out party.

2515
01:51:21,720 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 3: All right, well, listen, I want to thank everyone for

2516
01:51:24,200 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 3: listening all over the world. We'll be back tomorrow at

2517
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 3: noontime Eastern six o'clock local Frankfort time. We're gonna be

2518
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 3: at Gibson Club, So gonna be a little bit of

2519
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 3: a different show because there's gonna be stage things and

2520
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 3: we're gonna be throwing it to guests and everything.

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01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:41,519
Speaker 5: So tomorrow is more like.

2522
01:51:41,600 --> 01:51:45,000
Speaker 3: A variety show, if you will. But we'll be at

2523
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 3: Gibson tomorrow at six o'clock. For those people in Frankfort,

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01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:52,760
Speaker 3: noontime are regular time, but it's a Friday show, so

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01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,400
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