WEBVTT - Two Jersey Js: Ego & The CEO

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, it's Jen Sfessler and Jackie gol Schneider and

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 2>To Jersey Jay two. Jersey Jays. I saw you the

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<v Speaker 2>other day. Oh yeah, I've seen you a lot lately.

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<v Speaker 1>We went to the VMEs last week. Was no, that

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<v Speaker 1>was two weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we went to VMA's. Yes, we were not.

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<v Speaker 1>Sitting together, but we were together on the red carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>That was really fun. It's just fun. It was UNBULLI yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really fun. It was really really good. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Loved Benson Boone, the one of the Rhymestone jacket at

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<v Speaker 1>the piano because yes, I recognized the song, yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>then I was like freaking out, like just his whole performance.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I used that song before and I

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<v Speaker 1>like liked it, but when you see him perform it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh wait, I actually love that song. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I was. We went to jingle Ball

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<v Speaker 2>last year and Sabrina Carpenter performed, and I was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like, you know, I didn't really get it, like

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<v Speaker 2>I was too old for Sabrina Carpenter, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>saw her perform and I was like, Okay, Wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>get it. Yeah, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>With Chapel row Into, she's an old soul. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like her music is for people who grew up.

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<v Speaker 2>In the eighties. Yes, well, speaking of old souls, I

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<v Speaker 2>did sort of feel like one on the Red carpet.

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<v Speaker 2>Not an old soul, sort of an old person.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt a little old also, Yeah. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I got that outfit together and I was so excited

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and you get I mean, I love the outfit,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you get on the red carpet and these

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<v Speaker 2>people are just in over the top, they're like costumes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're so fabulous, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then my daughter, who's fourteen, she's recognizing all the

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<v Speaker 1>people from TikTok who I have no idea who they are.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when she would get really excited, she was

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<v Speaker 1>like bro, and I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you just call me? Bru b bruh. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we were together to do Jana Kramer. Oh that

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<v Speaker 2>was really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>You're into country music. I'm not so much. I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>an all rock kind of girl.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's so funny. But I love seeing you excited.

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<v Speaker 1>But I love her.

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<v Speaker 2>I love her. She is just she's very fabulous, adorable, interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful all of it. And I love Kat They're so

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<v Speaker 2>good together. Yeah, they're very sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then we start Amy and TJ on the

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<v Speaker 1>way out. Yes, Kelly Wanson was good. We have been

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<v Speaker 1>so I've seen you a lot lately. So last time

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about what would happen if the show ended, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this is sort of like maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit on the topic because if it did ends, we

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<v Speaker 1>would have to start thinking about what's the next step

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<v Speaker 1>in your career.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you know, reinventing yourself at a certain point

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<v Speaker 2>is not always so easy to do, and not everybody

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<v Speaker 2>even wants to reinvent themselves. Some people are very thrilled

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<v Speaker 2>with who they are. So I don't actually I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean reinventing yourself, but finding purpose, for instance, after you're

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<v Speaker 2>an empty nester, and women that don't have kids at

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<v Speaker 2>some point, I guess there's retirement, right or wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>change gears, and it is not that easy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, But also there's the financial portion, like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people can't afford to just you know, stop working

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<v Speaker 1>in their fifties. It's not retirement age just yet, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a lot of those friends. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of those friends who are not feeling completely

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<v Speaker 1>fulfilled specifically when the when the kids leave, but even

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<v Speaker 1>before that and want to make you know, some changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And but I know so many friends of mine are

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<v Speaker 1>successful at having done that, you know, which is so

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<v Speaker 1>exciting at a later point in life.

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<v Speaker 2>At starting new careers, a life start, not just starting

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<v Speaker 2>new careers, but just sort of like changing their life

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<v Speaker 2>around a little bit, even if it's you know, hobbies

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<v Speaker 2>or like I have this friend Leah who she lives

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida and she goes to this I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if it's an assisted living care. I think it is facility,

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<v Speaker 2>big place, and she does these chit chat groups is

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<v Speaker 2>what she calls them. And she sits with big groups

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<v Speaker 2>of seniors and talks about ask them questions about their

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<v Speaker 2>past or you know what, what was the most romantic

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<v Speaker 2>moment you feel like you've ever had? Or what's your

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<v Speaker 2>I read for that, or you know, things going on

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<v Speaker 2>current events. But she loves it, and she gets dressed

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<v Speaker 2>up every week because they love to see how she dresses.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, she's actually my stylist as well, so she's

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<v Speaker 2>a great style and it's something that she just incorporated

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<v Speaker 2>into her life that I know has just enriched her life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it enriches.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also yeah, there was this case on the side note,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this case in New Jersey actually a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago where this elderly woman passed away and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>was claiming her body.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you hear about this?

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<v Speaker 1>No, And nobody was claiming her body and they couldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Find any family.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it came out that nobody had visited this

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<v Speaker 1>woman at her assisted living center in like twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's this epidemic of loneliness amongst seniors, especially in

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<v Speaker 1>senior centers. They don't have visitors. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>maybe family has died or moved away or sad they

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<v Speaker 1>never had kids, you know, So to do that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure is great for her, but for them it's probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Wish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I know it's hard. We're the Sandwich generation

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Yeah, take care of kids, take care of parents.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, back to what we're talking about today,

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<v Speaker 1>like it is really really hard to start something new

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<v Speaker 1>in middle age. You kind of feel like your best

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<v Speaker 1>years might be behind you, and that who's going to

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<v Speaker 1>give a shot to someone in their.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifties, right, or like it's really hard to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Like in my head, it's like when I

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<v Speaker 1>think of doing something new, I'm like, well, there's already

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<v Speaker 1>someone better doing it, or someone younger doing it, or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe all the best products have been invented already, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's people smarter than me. Like, it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 1>snap yourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of that. And there's also We've talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>numerous times, but the invisibility factor that when you get

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain age, you kind of feel like no

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<v Speaker 2>one's really that interested in, you know, what you have

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<v Speaker 2>to say, what you have to contribute. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that's true, you know, necessarily in middle age, I

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<v Speaker 2>think gets a lot worse as you get even older.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I always love these stories of women

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<v Speaker 2>who started businesses are not just businesses, but started you know,

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<v Speaker 2>making changes as they got a little bit older.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, before we tell you who we were speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to today, Jen, you actually did just that. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>did so tell us about your business. For those who

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Jen started a shoe business.

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<v Speaker 2>How old were you?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty fifty? That's amazing. So Jen started a shoe business

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<v Speaker 1>at fifty? Tell us, like, how did you even have

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<v Speaker 1>the courage to do it?

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<v Speaker 2>So I was so frustrated at fifty because I have

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<v Speaker 2>always loved wearing high heels my whole life. I used

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<v Speaker 2>to do, which is probably the reason I can't wear

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<v Speaker 2>them anymore. But I used to like walk to work

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<v Speaker 2>in the city with platforms like stilettos, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's like, oh, put on sneakers for the walk. No way.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never going to do that. But now' and

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<v Speaker 2>I've got numerous nasty things going on with my feet,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, bunions, planter, fasciitis, just whatever. As you get older,

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<v Speaker 2>your feet, like the rest of you, they widen and

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<v Speaker 2>they soften. And I could not walk in a pair

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<v Speaker 2>of high heels. So I was at an event actually

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<v Speaker 2>for diabetes. My daughters has juvenile diabetes, type one diabetes.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the way home, I was in heels and

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<v Speaker 2>we left and I'm walking like barefoot on the streets

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<v Speaker 2>of New York City, Like there's you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. That's I would never suggest doing that. Not

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea. So anyway, I was, like I said

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<v Speaker 2>to Jeff, this is madness, the fact that I cannot

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<v Speaker 2>find one pair of high heels, went home, started to

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<v Speaker 2>just google it, like you know, like you do, and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find one pair of sexy high heel shoes.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted one pair of black heels that I could

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<v Speaker 2>wear with anything, you know, something luxurious, and there was nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, at age fifty, I actually had some

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<v Speaker 2>money to spend and I went to I think I

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<v Speaker 2>believe it was Nordstrums and asked a saleslady, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just bring me anything, any pair of high heel like

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<v Speaker 2>three inches that I could wear with everything. I'm not like,

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<v Speaker 2>bring me all different pace points anyway. So she brought

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<v Speaker 2>me what she had and I'm trying to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>force my foot into a pair of I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it was at the time, whether it was Manolo's

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<v Speaker 2>or Stewart, I don't know, but couldn't do it. She said, well, honey,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to just you know, size up. So we

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<v Speaker 2>size up and I still can't walk and she's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you just have to learn to walk in like a

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<v Speaker 2>bigger size. And that was kind of my you know,

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<v Speaker 2>light bulb moment where I'm like, I need to learn

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<v Speaker 2>to walk like I'm fifty, I'm not learning how to

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<v Speaker 2>walk okay, So that was that was sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the impetus, And that's how F major started was I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like there was no solution for my problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But how do you get from the point? So

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<v Speaker 1>I think that ninety nine percent of people's dreams die

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<v Speaker 1>in their heads, which she's really sad, But how do.

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<v Speaker 2>You get to so many other ones that had died

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<v Speaker 2>in my head?

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<v Speaker 1>And I've I've actually pulled the trigger on a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas, but a lot of them die in my

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<v Speaker 1>head also, So how do you get from that moment

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<v Speaker 1>where you are googling how to do something to actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, doing it? So this is what I always say

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<v Speaker 2>when I'm asked that question. So I've had lots of

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<v Speaker 2>ideas that they may have gotten out of my head

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<v Speaker 2>and they may have gotten started and they've gotten down

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<v Speaker 2>on paper, but then somehow they just sort of trickle away.

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<v Speaker 2>And so with F Major, I built a team around

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<v Speaker 2>myself really really quickly. What that means is that I

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<v Speaker 2>called an old neighbor who had been in the shoe

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<v Speaker 2>business forever and asked him what he thought, and he

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<v Speaker 2>said that I was indeed right. There were no real,

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<v Speaker 2>real sexy comfortable shoes for women of my age. He

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<v Speaker 2>got on the team. Then we found a manufacturer in Spain.

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<v Speaker 2>They got on the team. Then my best friend from

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<v Speaker 2>college she got on the team. So once I had

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<v Speaker 2>the team around me, there was no squirming out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Like everybody at that

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<v Speaker 2>point was invested. So that's the only suggestion, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I really have in terms of how to I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>good always at staying on track, and so having you know,

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<v Speaker 2>three other people invested, not just financially, but you know, emotionally, physically, mentally, whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>that really helped. And so, you know, F Major changed

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<v Speaker 2>everything for me at age fifty. And unlike our guests

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<v Speaker 2>who we're about to introduce you guys to, it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>turn into or hasn't yet, or maybe we'll never turn

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<v Speaker 2>into a multimillion dollar enterprise. But it's certainly the journey

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<v Speaker 2>of it was so fulfilling. And my therapist always says

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<v Speaker 2>that F Major as great as it's been, whether or

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<v Speaker 2>not it's you know, it becomes a phenomenon or not.

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<v Speaker 2>The best part of it was showing my daughter that

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<v Speaker 2>at age fifty I could start a business. I could,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, do a lot of things turn my life around.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who knew that The Real Housewives in New

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey was even you know, an option. But anyway, that's

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<v Speaker 2>something else. But so that was the best part of it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it's amazing you found a fulfilling Yeah, I found.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're still doing it. I am still doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very impressed. And I have and they're beautiful. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you to shop f Major guys. So our guest I

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<v Speaker 1>am so excited for because she is such an inspiration

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<v Speaker 1>really and I don't use that word lately. She You

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<v Speaker 1>might not know her name, but you know her product.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes you do. Yeah, her name is Susie Patiz

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<v Speaker 2>and her product is poo Perri poopery.

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<v Speaker 1>And when I tell you that this stuff is amazing,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody bathroom in my house, it's amazing. I don't understand,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, how you come up with this idea?

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<v Speaker 1>How you make it work? Like, how you know to

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<v Speaker 1>even think of this? I can't wait to talk to her. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Susie is a self made millionaire and founder of Poopery

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<v Speaker 1>and it's now a five hundred million dollar business. She

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<v Speaker 1>has such an incredible backstory of how she started her

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<v Speaker 1>business at forty two years old, after divorce and bankruptcies,

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<v Speaker 1>multiple bankruptcies, and childhood trauma. So she had all of

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<v Speaker 1>it and she still started this massively successful company. So

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<v Speaker 1>we are so excited to hear her story.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get her on. Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you? Hi?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you nice to meet you? Nice to meet you,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for coming on, thank you, thank you so

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<v Speaker 2>glad that you're here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like, I almost can't believe it because I've

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<v Speaker 1>been using your products forever, so to see the face

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<v Speaker 1>behind it it is kind of wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we want to know everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's start at the beginning. How did you

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<v Speaker 1>come up with this idea?

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<v Speaker 2>And also, well tell our I think I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knows, but please tell our listeners who don't what

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<v Speaker 2>exactly Pooprie is.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, So poopri is it before you go bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>spray that you spray in the toilet before you go

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<v Speaker 3>to the bathroom. The oils create a barrier that keeps

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<v Speaker 3>that's the motor from coming up and to your nose.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a minute, says I've pitched it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's funny. I spray it right into the air.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do that too.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to.

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<v Speaker 3>I use it. Most people don't know that. I keep

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<v Speaker 3>telling on our marketing team, like we need that. Say

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<v Speaker 3>you can use it after.

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<v Speaker 2>H yeah, oh, I don't even read the directions you

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<v Speaker 2>harrier for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I use it after, but it works wonderful after Yeah, okay, good.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you come up with an idea like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, should we go backwards first and start at the

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<v Speaker 1>start and get the history or yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well I I yeah, I want to. I personally, I

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<v Speaker 2>just have to know how you came up with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah okay, yeah, so we're just start at when I

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<v Speaker 3>was thirty eight, I had my second bankruptcy stock market

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<v Speaker 3>crash and invested everything into dot com and really good idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Still a good idea, but anyway, stock market crash went

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<v Speaker 3>into a spiritual sup batticle for about two years, like

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<v Speaker 3>really done, Like I don't want to be in business.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want anything. We were at a dinner park.

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote a course called inside Out, how to create

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<v Speaker 3>a lifew desire by going within. So I just found

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<v Speaker 3>bankruptcy right a couple of years ago, don't really have

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<v Speaker 3>any money. So I have five women my friends like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote this course about how to basically manifest right,

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<v Speaker 3>and nobody finished the course. And I remember going like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't really been successful, right, Like I'm teaching them

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<v Speaker 3>these principles, yet I haven't done it. So that's just

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<v Speaker 3>an important kind of side note that I had that, Like, huh.

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<v Speaker 3>So a few months later, I'm at a dinner party

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<v Speaker 3>and someone says, can back the motor be trapped.

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<v Speaker 2>And a dinner party conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>To the family gathering and the house only had one

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<v Speaker 3>say within an older family. Okay, so there are a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people in there, and I had this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of I don't know how you guys get ideas, but

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<v Speaker 3>I see things in pictures. It's literally like I'm watching

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<v Speaker 3>a movie. I just did it. When I met my husband,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh, you're not gonna keep you anymore, you're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna be Preacher. You're gonna do three albums or Preacher

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<v Speaker 3>Command Resonator twy them exactly what they look like like,

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<v Speaker 3>I see things.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Wow, Yeah, that's very cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Why that is? But anyway, so I'm sitting there and

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<v Speaker 3>I see, oh, oil floats on water. And I have

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<v Speaker 3>always been this closet hippie, you know, living in Plano, Texas,

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<v Speaker 3>which I did not ever fit in anywhere. But I

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<v Speaker 3>was always attracted to natural products. And I grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in the rice fields of Arkansas, like I didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>any you know, my grain had a garden that's as

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<v Speaker 3>much natural stuff as I had. But I saw it

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<v Speaker 3>and it took me nine months of mixing, and it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't matter. There was not a single person in my

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<v Speaker 3>life that thought it was a good idea. Of my mom,

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<v Speaker 3>my husband, and my kids. They were like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you doing? And nine months I just kept mixing.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what I often tell people. It doesn't don't

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<v Speaker 3>ask people what they think about your idea because it's

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<v Speaker 3>your idea, right, They're not ever going to get it,

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<v Speaker 3>They're not going to know it. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people get discouraged because They go, well, you know nobody

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<v Speaker 3>liked my idea. Well, how can they know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 3>It's your idea?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, wouldn't you say? Also, I just want to stop

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<v Speaker 2>you for a minute. When you mixing, what does that mean? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I was getting oils and mixing every single.

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<v Speaker 2>Day, mixing like by yourself and your kitchen with water, like.

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<v Speaker 1>You were trying to trap odors with that mixing. So

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<v Speaker 1>you were spraying like an odor substance on top of it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, no, I was controlling odor using essential oils.

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<v Speaker 3>So I so what I do differently in all the products,

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<v Speaker 3>whether any of the pere products. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 3>home Pury, pet Pri, we have Supernatural, have another brand.

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<v Speaker 3>They're the most you know, eco friendly, beautiful, it's really

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<v Speaker 3>a beautiful brand home cleaning products. But I use essential

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<v Speaker 3>oils to do the job. So most people use them

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<v Speaker 3>for aromatherapy. Unless you're really into essential oils and you

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<v Speaker 3>can use them for health benefits, you can use them.

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<v Speaker 3>So I decided to use them like you would a chemical,

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<v Speaker 3>but use something natural that would help control the odor.

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<v Speaker 3>And I did.

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<v Speaker 2>So you put them, You mixed it in your toilet bowl.

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<v Speaker 3>I mixed them in my house in bottles and then

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<v Speaker 3>just tested it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, do you have any kind of background in that,

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<v Speaker 1>like in chemistry?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Zero, zero background zero background. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 3>once I didn't really want to start another company. Remember

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<v Speaker 3>I just followed bankruptcy and I was going to be

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<v Speaker 3>into personal development. But the idea was so good that

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't abandon it. You know. It's like, I got

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<v Speaker 3>to get this out to people. So I really didn't

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<v Speaker 3>have an option. In my own mind, It's like this

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<v Speaker 3>is we got we got something here. But then I

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<v Speaker 3>bought two thousand bottles and I had I started a

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<v Speaker 3>company with twenty five thousand dollars. It was a loan

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<v Speaker 3>from a family member, and I bought I think two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand or five thousand bottles. I talked to manufacturer and

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted like, you know, ten or twenty thousand, and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, and I thought, well, hell, I'll sell them

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<v Speaker 3>on the trunk of my car. I've done that before,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So I bought the bottles and built a

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<v Speaker 3>little website and started selling to people. And then someone called.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a local gift shop and he said, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>my friend told me about this product. You have I

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<v Speaker 3>want to sell at my store. And I said, oh okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd already had my margin set out to sell online.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is eighteen years ago. This is really before

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of DTOC businesses were, you know, even a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was selling it at five dollars because that's

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<v Speaker 3>the margins I needed. And this guy wanted to buy wholesale,

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<v Speaker 3>and I go, what's wholesale? Like this literally how much?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know and he goes, oh, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you sell it to me, and then I double it

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, oh shit, okay, well I guess

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<v Speaker 3>it's I've got to sell it for five dollars. Now

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<v Speaker 3>he's got to sell it for ten. So that's how

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<v Speaker 3>poopri became ten dollars. And it's been ten dollars for

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen years. I've never raised the phone.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. I was going to ask, like, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>such an interesting story because I've had ideas that I've

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<v Speaker 2>let taper off, but because of what's called imposter syndrome,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you have been through bankruptcies and you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have come up with other ideas and I'm just curious,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when you got this idea for poopery. Did

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<v Speaker 2>you have that whether the doubts. Did you have that

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<v Speaker 2>in your head or no? I mean I.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember one doubt. Not at the beginning of developing it. Again,

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<v Speaker 3>it's almost like I had blinders on because I saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense. Yeah, when you see a picture

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<v Speaker 3>and you go, there's me standing at Yosemite, I must

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<v Speaker 3>have been there because there's a picture, right, even if

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<v Speaker 3>you don't remember it. So it's kind of like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like I saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>So did you see your success or you just saw

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<v Speaker 2>the bottle of hoopery?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just saw oil floating on water. I saw

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<v Speaker 3>that I could eliminate the odor. Got it, got it,

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<v Speaker 3>got it Once I did that, my mission was how

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<v Speaker 3>do I create what I now saw? And I actually

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<v Speaker 3>have two new companies that two tech companies that we've

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<v Speaker 3>just started. I started with my husband, and it's because

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<v Speaker 3>of things that I saw that Now I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>figure out what did I actually see? Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? For sure?

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<v Speaker 1>So how did you were you discouraged by the people

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<v Speaker 1>in your life not believing in your idea?

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<v Speaker 3>No, because I really didn't care anymore. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to the beauty of it's so funny. We have

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<v Speaker 3>a line in one of the songs my husband and

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<v Speaker 3>I wrote an album that we're just about to finish.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness, what haven't you done right lady?

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<v Speaker 3>That's fun We have a line that says, there's beauty

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<v Speaker 3>and the breakdown of the walls crashing down. So there's

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<v Speaker 3>something that happens when you're at the bottom. It's really

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<v Speaker 3>I call it the luxury of losing everything, because once

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<v Speaker 3>you've lost everything and you realize, hey, I'm intact, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>still good, I'm living, I'm breathing, you build some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of resilience, see where you don't really care anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>definitely as the ego and attachment. But I did that

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<v Speaker 3>with Pee right after the pandemic. I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 3>come back. I was living in Beverly Hills and the

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<v Speaker 3>company was really suffering, and I didn't want to come back,

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<v Speaker 3>and I really thought I was going to lose everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had to face that in myself. Am I

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<v Speaker 3>willing to lose everything? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about this, like how when you're at the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know this grap you wanted, there's nowhere to go, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So you have the luxury of that and the luxury

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<v Speaker 2>if you can only rise. But when you're at the top,

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<v Speaker 2>there sometimes is that fear that you're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>sucked back down. Yeah, and so like the beautiful place

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<v Speaker 2>to live is outside of that sort of My therapist

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<v Speaker 2>always says like indignity, like there's nothing to lose, there's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to gain. You know, you're good where you are,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can just do your thing without fear.

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<v Speaker 3>And my probogy that is to go all the way in.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I say all the way in is I

0:22:50.600 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 3>don't mess with the fear. I don't sit there and go, oh,

0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:55.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to try to go to a positive thought.

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to like, I don't do any of that

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<v Speaker 3>stuff right because that's just the thing I don't like

0:23:00.080 --> 0:23:02.720
<v Speaker 3>about mindfulness as it's full of mind, you know what

0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:08.359
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. So what I love is mindfulness is try

0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 3>to try to try to manage your thoughts, try to

0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 3>you know. So what I do is I go all

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<v Speaker 3>the way down into the bottom, really imagining I've lost everything.

0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm a fake. I'm a fraud. Everybody's laughing at me.

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 3>They think I'm a big joke. Literally, I spent this

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 3>is two years ago. I spent in my bed for

0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:28.400
<v Speaker 3>a couple of days, just curled up, going through all

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:29.320
<v Speaker 3>of that horror.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that does not sound like fun.

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Everybody said you teach manifest every story you could imagine.

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 3>I was going through it and I finally went like, okay,

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:43.360
<v Speaker 3>that's it. I'm losing everything. And then I thought, well,

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 3>that'd make a good story. Do you see how to

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:48.520
<v Speaker 3>bounce back up? But they as I go all the

0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 3>way down, I don't try to temper that fear. I'm like, okay,

0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.280
<v Speaker 3>let's go. If I'm gonna lose everything, let's see what

0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.119
<v Speaker 3>does that look like? What does that feel like? What

0:23:56.240 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 3>is every story that's involved in that? Yeah, says that

0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 3>it's just like an ayahuasca ceremony, you know, or any

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.240
<v Speaker 3>sort of medicine ceremony, if you've ever done any of those.

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 3>The thing is you're get shown the dark thing, but

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.480
<v Speaker 3>you look at you face it, and then you integrate it,

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:14.200
<v Speaker 3>and then it doesn't have power anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you feel like you would have had that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of wherewithal when you were younger? Because we're all about

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:24.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about, you know, reinventing ourselves, not just reinventing ourselves,

0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.479
<v Speaker 2>but you know, finding things that fulfill us as we

0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:31.960
<v Speaker 2>get older. And uh, for me, I feel like I

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.280
<v Speaker 2>could do things now that I would never have been

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 2>able to do in my twenties or thirties.

0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, yeah, no, no way, you're so much more wise. Yeah.

0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 3>My daughter the other day was talking about she was

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 3>taking a lot of personal accountability and I said, you know,

0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:50.639
<v Speaker 3>and she was like, I'm going to go in and

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.399
<v Speaker 3>do some work on that. And I said, you know,

0:24:53.000 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 3>it's so great that you're facing that and taking accountability

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:58.600
<v Speaker 3>and that you know it's safe enough. I said, only

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 3>wisdom would know what's safe enough to go there. And

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 3>she was like, oh mom, And I go, yeah, I go.

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 3>That's the beauty of wisdom. You know, I can dive

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 3>to those deep dark places and I'm going to be okay, yeah, yeah.

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>It makes sense anymore.

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 3>It's like, Okay, I need.

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:14.760
<v Speaker 2>To get past that fear.

0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I still am afraid of those things, and I think

0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.359
<v Speaker 1>that holds me back and I actually pull the trigger

0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 1>on a lot of ideas, but I get sucked down

0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:26.480
<v Speaker 1>by people not believing in me. I hold things very

0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>tight to the vest, like I won't tell anyone until

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>it's a success, so that they don't know.

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:31.080
<v Speaker 2>If I fail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scared of people seeing my failures.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you know, it would be a really fun exercise.

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.720
<v Speaker 3>If you go to the coffee shop this week, say

0:25:39.840 --> 0:25:42.800
<v Speaker 3>they say what's your name? When you go Hi, Jackie,

0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 3>I could really be a failure. I'm a failure and

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 3>see what happens. So I love they good all somatic exercises.

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 2>What will happen? I think you would end up in

0:25:54.680 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 2>patience Jackie herself she only lost. She's looking for helping

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:03.400
<v Speaker 2>start ups.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, you know I did it when I first

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 3>got divorced. I was terrified of being I'd been married

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.399
<v Speaker 3>twenty six years. That was my identity. And one of

0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 3>my friends, best creative coach in the world, Gillian Farrabee,

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 3>she said, order your coffee and say, hey, I'm Susie.

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 3>I'm single. And I did. I went to order it

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:24.320
<v Speaker 3>and I'd go, I'm Susie, I'm no God. I just

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:28.480
<v Speaker 3>cry for like two weeks. Every time i'd order my coffee,

0:26:28.480 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 3>I'd be like, I'm Susie, I'm single.

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 2>And they never called the men in the white coats.

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 2>They just like, have your coffee.

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay, someone would write, Susie is single.

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Single, Oh my goodness, why did it help?

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 3>It helps because you face it, you know, it's the

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 3>same thing. It's like, hi, you know Jackie. You know

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:50.600
<v Speaker 3>I feel I could be a failure, you know, and

0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 3>if you just do that, they're like, oh dude, me too.

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, well, what do they say in the twelve step programs?

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Acceptance is the first said the first step. Accept it

0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 2>when you're free of it, you know.

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a big dark secret. I'm afraid it. We're

0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 3>all afraid of being a failure.

0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can I ask you? I'm dying here the rest

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 1>of this story. So the guy bought, he put it

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>in his store. He sold it for ten dollars, and

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>then what.

0:27:23.560 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 3>And then the next day another store called and said

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.119
<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine bought this product, put it in

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 3>his store, and I buy the product, and the next

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:30.959
<v Speaker 3>day another friend.

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And what was your mindset? Were you like, oh my god,

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this. It was your first successful, really

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:37.680
<v Speaker 1>successful product, right?

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was excited. I was like, wow, this is amazing.

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.240
<v Speaker 3>And then they said you need to go to market.

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:45.199
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, what's market? And they're like, well, you

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 3>go to the gift market and then you set up

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:49.680
<v Speaker 3>a booth and then people come to place orders. And

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 3>so I did my first gift market in Dallas, and

0:27:53.560 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 3>that's the point where I wanted to leave. We set

0:27:56.960 --> 0:27:59.480
<v Speaker 3>up the booth, you know, and I have like, you know,

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 3>drapes and a toilet with yellow faked limits. It was

0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 3>so bad and people kept walking by laughing. And I

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 3>looked at my husband at the time and I'm like,

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 3>we got to get out of here, okay, and he goes,

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 3>we paid five thousand dollars. I don't care. We're getting

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 3>out of here, like this is an embarrassment. But he

0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 3>talked to me out of it, and I talked to

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 3>myself into staying. And we made like fifteen or twenty thousand,

0:28:24.480 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 3>and we were so excited.

0:28:25.720 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a lot of money. Was an entire investment

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 2>right there. Yeah.

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 3>And then they were going, are you going to Atlanta Market?

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, when's that? And they're like, in two weeks.

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>So I called Atlanta, go to Atlanta and then they

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:38.840
<v Speaker 3>go You're gonna go to New York Market And I'm like,

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 3>when's that and they're like, oh, that's in three weeks.

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, great. So I just kept literally everybody

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 3>just kept leading me there. I was like, and I just.

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Have to ask you, like, when you're that big of

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 2>a success, I just want to know what that feels like.

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And I don't care. I'm just going to say it

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the money of it all, And I know you're probably

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna say that's probably it wasn't the most fulfilling part.

0:28:58.840 --> 0:28:59.880
<v Speaker 2>But like what I.

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 4>Think, like it's that must be so crazy and exciting,

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 4>and I don't know, like tell us some of maybe

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 4>that wasn't the money that thrilled you.

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that was just be me, but it wasn't because I.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Had a very complicated relationship with money. You know, I

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.720
<v Speaker 3>had a lot of poverty mindset to really overcome. You know.

0:29:19.720 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I remember the first time I bought a pair of

0:29:22.160 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Farantinium Baker boots from Barney's and they were like six

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 3>hundred bucks. This is like fifteen years ago, and I

0:29:28.240 --> 0:29:31.800
<v Speaker 3>sent them back three times. Oh, and I was making

0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, we were doing a couple of million dollars

0:29:33.320 --> 0:29:35.800
<v Speaker 3>a year, but it was so oh my god. So

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I had a lot of worthiness issues. So money was

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 3>the business was doing its thing, and I never really

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 3>took it personal. So I never really thought, oh yay,

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 3>I made a bunch of money. It's just like almost

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 3>like a child like you got to get at school. Yeah,

0:29:50.160 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 3>you made an a that's awesome. That's the child, right right, child.

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 3>You don't sit there and go ooh, I have a

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 3>child who got day's I made or so smart? You

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying. You just go, that's great. Bag. Maybe.

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>So that was my relationship and still is my relationship

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 3>with poopery.

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>That's probably way healthier than the way that I think,

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>which is just not that you should be. I don't

0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 2>know if you're driven by money, if you ever really

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>find the kind of success that you want, right, But

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:18.520
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I would be so excited about that

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 2>part of it. Yeah, yeah, and.

0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 3>Again wonderful news. You probably don't have worthiness issues to

0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 3>work through.

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh believe me. I have plenty of issues.

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Do sound like it right there? But other issues, But

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 3>you say we all have own. That was an issue

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 3>that I was working through and really still are, like,

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 3>what is you know, I've been married for a year

0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 3>and both of us had to have had to have

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:49.120
<v Speaker 3>some really harsh facings of worthiness. You know, how can

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:51.760
<v Speaker 3>you you know what happens when you get everything you

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 3>ever wanted.

0:30:52.920 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, you just wait for the h Yeah yeah,

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I heard it. Or you know, I always waiting for

0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 2>a shoe to drop after that, Like when something good happens,

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting for it to get right to get So

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:07.360
<v Speaker 2>what's been the most exciting part of this for you?

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:11.160
<v Speaker 3>What I learned is to not be attached. I was like, oh,

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.000
<v Speaker 3>it's its thing, I'm not going to be attached to

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 3>it because I'm not going to go on the ride

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.440
<v Speaker 3>of money. I've been bankrupt twice. I've been Forbes richest women,

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 3>I've been bankrupt twice. Don't get on you.

0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>You have bankrupt after Forbes.

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:26.440
<v Speaker 3>I was bankrupt when I was twenty and then I

0:31:26.480 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 3>was bank thirty.

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>Are you comfortable talking about that. I'd love to know

0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>your backstory.

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm comfortable talking about everything.

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 1>So what was your first Your first bankruptcy was from

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>starting another product.

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 3>No, I had a bridal salon I bought when I

0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:42.760
<v Speaker 3>was nineteen. I got married, I was married, bankrupt, and

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:44.440
<v Speaker 3>divorced by the time I was twenty one.

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow wow.

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. But the really fun part is I when I

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:52.680
<v Speaker 3>was seventeen, I invented a pair of denium shoes. I

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 3>really get to tell the story. It was really fun.

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:57.320
<v Speaker 3>It was back in the day when guest genes were

0:31:57.400 --> 0:32:00.719
<v Speaker 3>really anyway you wore, like if you were a pink sweater,

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 3>you were pink pumps. It was like the cigarette leg ye,

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:10.080
<v Speaker 3>the colorful pumps, right eighty two. But anyway, I thought, well,

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>you know if I if these were dentialm they would

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 3>match everything. So my boyfriend's aunt worked a shoe factory.

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 3>I draw up a shoe, I cut up some dinum

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.040
<v Speaker 3>and leather, and she makes me this dental pump. So

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.040
<v Speaker 3>I called guests in New York and I'm like, oh

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 3>my god, here I am seventeen year old little girl

0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 3>from Arkansas.

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.640
<v Speaker 3>I called them and they're like, we're coming out with

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 3>a shoe line. Come see us. And I was like wow.

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 3>So I called. I go to my mom and I'm like,

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I got to go to New York. Guests, you know,

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 3>wants to see me see my dental pump. And she said,

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.240
<v Speaker 3>you can't go to ark I mean to New York.

0:32:46.280 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 3>I said, why, She goes, You're just that girl from Arkansas.

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:50.000
<v Speaker 3>They're going to chew you up and spit you out.

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.800
<v Speaker 3>So I never went right. Well, I came out with

0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 3>two years later, a dnim shoe, a dentim pump. Right,

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Lena did a pump you know.

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow. How was your relationship with.

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Your mom.

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Tumultuous?

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, I was molested by my stepfather and when

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 3>it came out when I was sixteen, she ended up

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 3>living with my stepfather until she died. So it was

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:24.320
<v Speaker 3>a massive betrayal, you know, my psyche.

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<v Speaker 1>So I understand my relationship, and now I'm not surprised that, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, just like that, like, yeah, she really did believe

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 3>they're going to choot me up and spit me out.

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Yeah, she probably thought she was protecting you.

0:33:39.120 --> 0:33:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, so that never went anywhere. Okay, so what

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>made you bankrupt? Just creating the shoe using all your money?

0:33:47.920 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I bought a bridal salon, so then

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I thought, oh, there's a bridal salon. A lady was

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 3>going out of business. It ended up with a bunch

0:33:55.480 --> 0:34:00.640
<v Speaker 3>of old inventory. She really tricked me, you know. But anyway,

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:04.520
<v Speaker 3>I ended up following bankruptcy and just moved on.

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is such everything about this is inspirational

0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think, you know, we hope that our listeners

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.760
<v Speaker 2>are not just middle aged but also you know, younger,

0:34:12.800 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and like, how great, Like I want my daughter to

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 2>hear about this.

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's really easy to believe that when life

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.680
<v Speaker 1>knocks you down that there's that's it, that's all there

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>is for me, And like, I took my shot and

0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 1>now that's done. So how do you pick yourself back

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>up after that? Especially being so young and not having support.

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm starting to understand the answer to that question.

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 3>That's the that's the question that stumped me the most

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.600
<v Speaker 3>over the past, you know, ten years of doing these

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:48.799
<v Speaker 3>interviews is people would say, where'd you get your resilience?

0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I don't know, you know, but

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:59.279
<v Speaker 3>what I believe is it's faith. I was raised in

0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.880
<v Speaker 3>a very dog at a super conservative Christian environment that

0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.799
<v Speaker 3>I rebelled from for many years. But they're also the

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:08.799
<v Speaker 3>beauty in that there was a seed of faith in

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 3>me that knew that everything's going to be okay. You

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.480
<v Speaker 3>know my father, It's funny I learned about balance from

0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:18.320
<v Speaker 3>someone that was bipolar. My dad was a bi bipolar.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 3>He was also alcoholic, but he used to draw me

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 3>the universe, and he'd be like, here's the way the

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 3>universe work. So he's teaching me metaphysics in Arkansas nineteen

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, when I was a god in the seventies,

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 3>and he would say, and he had no metaphysical training,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 3>but he would say, the universe is balanced, right. You

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 3>can't believe in angels if you don't believe in demons,

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:40.360
<v Speaker 3>he said, But the way that it's designed is evil

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 3>can never overtake good because it's a perfect balance that

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 3>in itself is benevolent.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's so cool. Yeah, I mean I never thought

0:35:50.520 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>of it that way.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Exackly equal. There's a little bit more benevolence because of

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 3>just that alone. That's what raises it to where so

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 3>I always it's trained from a young age to know

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 3>that everything's okay.

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I spent so much time worrying about evil taking over,

0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 2>especially right now at this point that our world where

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 2>we are right now, and we're two Jewish women, and

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a lot of fear specifically for Jewish

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:17.640
<v Speaker 2>people right now. I know there is in this country.

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And what a fabulous thing, yeah, And what a fabulous

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 2>thing for me to hold on to and share with

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 2>my friends, and not only that, but like talking about

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>younger people. I have two kids in their twenties, and

0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:33.839
<v Speaker 2>they get so frightened, like what if this doesn't go well?

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 2>What if it doesn't go right? Where will I be

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>in there? I'm like, you're in your twenties, this is

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.120
<v Speaker 2>the time for all of that. But still you know,

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>having some faith, and I think just sharing with them

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 2>this story is going to be very valuable to them.

0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.959
<v Speaker 1>So how do you feel about if there was someone

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 1>in our lives who was creating something that we didn't

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 1>think was a great idea? Do you believe in just

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>shutting your mouth or being honest or just supporting someone

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:09.399
<v Speaker 1>blindly no matter what?

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Like what hell? What it helped you?

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a rule, right, what is it? Is it useful?

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 3>Is it productive?

0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What are those things?

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:37:18.640 --> 0:37:21.320
<v Speaker 2>I know there's like there I want to say, it's

0:37:21.840 --> 0:37:25.400
<v Speaker 2>there's like four letters or something. There's something you never.

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Idea, but I still kind of do it. No, I

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 3>don't exactly remember, it's like, hold on, is this going

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>to serve right? The person, the project, whatever it could be?

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 3>Feedback that's necessary, Like, hey, it didn't work for me.

0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 3>That's very valuable feedback to It's not negative, it's honest,

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 3>it's right. I love that you're going for it, and

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 3>I had issues with it. Can I tell you what

0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 3>happened right, rather than oh, that's a bad idea that sucks.

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 3>You're going to fail, you know, or overinflating pretending like

0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.800
<v Speaker 3>it's good when it's not. One of the issues. I

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 3>do believe we make too much stuff, but I think

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.960
<v Speaker 3>the issue is we don't make If we only made

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.359
<v Speaker 3>stuff that made our lives better, we would have way

0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.160
<v Speaker 3>fewer products, you know. So that's the question is does

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 3>it make the world better, does it make you better?

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Or is it just more crap we're putting out in

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 3>the world.

0:38:18.239 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 2>And this might be a very ridiculous question, but I

0:38:21.280 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>can't help it. You have a daughter, one daughter, do

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you have other one you want to tell daughter?

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 3>And two sons.

0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:31.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm just wondering how just watching you. I know that

0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 2>when I created a business when I was fifty, and

0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I was just saying earlier, my therapist said, the greatest

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.200
<v Speaker 2>part of this is having your daughter watch you at

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>fifty create something and feel so good about it. But

0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm just wondering all of these messages I want to

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>share them with my kids. And I wonder about your kids.

0:38:48.680 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Are you able to do all of this, not just

0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 2>in theory, but in practice, kind of stay out of

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.839
<v Speaker 2>their space and let them fail. And because I work

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 2>very hard at that. It's not easy.

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 3>It's not easy. It's not easy. Still. Now, you know,

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 3>one of my sons right now, we're we're trying to mend.

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 3>But you know he has a lot of anyway, it

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.720
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter. You know, there's family issues.

0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Right there, always are there, always are.

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.440
<v Speaker 3>They always come up and it's always about like you know,

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:20.839
<v Speaker 3>i'll tell you what I told him. I won't tell

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:23.759
<v Speaker 3>you his part, that's his business. But I said, you know,

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 3>I apologize for having the misconception that I could alleviate

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.080
<v Speaker 3>struggle in your life and that it would be good

0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. When I have to write it down, Jackie,

0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.520
<v Speaker 2>do you have a pen? Okay? Perfect? Because I want

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 2>to say that to my children. I'm sorry that I

0:39:41.120 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 2>had the misconception.

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.000
<v Speaker 1>That I could alleviate struggle, that I exactly eliminate your

0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>struggles for you, right, because everything you need struggles, right.

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that.

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.959
<v Speaker 3>It's the truth. It's like, man, I had a really misconception.

0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:58.960
<v Speaker 3>I thought, if you didn't struggle, your life would be great.

0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 3>That's really what I thought. What a myth?

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>That's I asked you about your spiritual work. You have

0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>a platform called Eliva shit. Can you tell us about that?

0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Which is obviously obviously.

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:15.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, well it's actually called Alivas. Oh. I did

0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:17.000
<v Speaker 3>want to call it a live as shit, but I

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:21.360
<v Speaker 3>couldn't because of you can't do ads right saying shit right. Okay,

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, it's called a live OS for a live

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 3>operating system. I do have any on Siginus says a

0:40:26.320 --> 0:40:30.160
<v Speaker 3>live as shit, But yeah, Aliva WES is basically a thesis.

0:40:30.640 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 3>It's taking the twenty years of hardcore personal development work.

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't do anything halfway, you know. I've done over

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.800
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and seventy something hallucinogenic journeys in ceremonial settings,

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:48.640
<v Speaker 3>psychological reasons. I've done EMDR for over ten years, religiously,

0:40:48.760 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 3>I've done somatic therapy for thirty years, countless workshop. So

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm just mean I've been in it, right. So what

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.400
<v Speaker 3>happened is I took the eight markers that I thought,

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 3>really that things that I learned that really made a

0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:05.279
<v Speaker 3>change in my life and I packaged them together. I say,

0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 3>at the very beginning, this is a thesis. Here's my teachers,

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 3>here's my mentors. I don't know where my work stops.

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.960
<v Speaker 3>And there's starts and there's ends. You know, I'm saying,

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't, so I've tried to give as much credit

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:18.760
<v Speaker 3>as I can. But it's like you go through college

0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 3>and you go, hold on, here's what I learned, and

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 3>here are my theories and my ideas, and it drastically

0:41:25.200 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 3>changes people's lives. The first time I taught it, I

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.400
<v Speaker 3>taught it to twenty five women. I asked them to

0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:33.920
<v Speaker 3>be my accountability partners. I wanted to rewrite that program

0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:39.279
<v Speaker 3>that I wrote, you know, eighteen years before, and man,

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 3>they were getting divorced. They were like quitting their jobs,

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 3>They're moving across country. I was like, hold on, people,

0:41:45.880 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 3>what are you doing? And what I realized is they

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 3>were just looking for permission. These were all inner desires

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.320
<v Speaker 3>that had been happening for a long time, you know,

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. And now all of a sudden, as they're

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 3>working through the system and learning about residents and dissonance

0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 3>and how to identify these things once you can't once

0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:09.919
<v Speaker 3>you identify dissonance, you can't unsee it. It's like, oh shit,

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 3>this is draining my energy. Okay, great, what am I

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 3>going to do about it? Then you can make choices.

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:18.040
<v Speaker 3>People that say, oh, this marriage is killing me, this

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 3>job is killing me, there's truth to that. It's actually

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.360
<v Speaker 3>draining your life force energy. So a lot of people

0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>through an eight week process for basically getting rid of

0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 3>the shit. You know, we dump a lot of shit

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 3>and then we start putting in good ship. Wow.

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 1>So is it designed more for people who are Do

0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you find that the women who come to you are

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 1>more drawn for they want to start a new business,

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:46.240
<v Speaker 1>or they're just people who are struggling in their life.

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 3>Everyone everyone's struggling with something. Yeah, the relationship of business,

0:42:54.480 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 3>what's happening in the world. You know, there's if so

0:42:57.640 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>it's for anyone.

0:42:59.000 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you tend to draw more young, younger women or

0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 2>middle aged women? Just everyone?

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 3>Everyone? Usually middle aged to older women.

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 2>That's what I would think.

0:43:09.880 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 3>But we've had people. I've had girls as young as

0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 3>thirteen go through it. Wow. Wow, Yeah, it's a it's

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 3>a great program. Yeah. So really, anybody can do it

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.759
<v Speaker 3>because the principles are very basic you know, but it

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.760
<v Speaker 3>is a process and we put you in a group

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:29.480
<v Speaker 3>and you have these accountability partners. It's really fun. There

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 3>are still I haven't really taught it in a couple

0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 3>of years. I'm getting ready to do another live one

0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 3>and really start promoting it again. But you know, there

0:43:39.920 --> 0:43:42.320
<v Speaker 3>are people that have a live groups from four years

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 3>ago that are still you know, in their mentor circles.

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Really, our listeners can sign up for this online obviously.

0:43:50.120 --> 0:43:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh you just go to Susie Batist.

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I see you guys.

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, can I ask you back to poopery because I

0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 1>just think that it is such an amazing product. When

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>was the moment that you were like, wow, I have

0:44:03.080 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>truly made it? Like was there a celebrity who was

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like I have this in my bathroom like Oprah or

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.640
<v Speaker 1>not that Oprah poops? But was there like a place

0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>where you saw it being sold or you know, on

0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:17.760
<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom at the Oscars, or was there.

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Any moment for you?

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Not really again, you stay separated from that.

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 3>I do, I really do. I go to gratitude, you know,

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:32.760
<v Speaker 3>each time somebody goes, oh my god, I love that product,

0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 3>I just go to, oh my god, I'm so grateful,

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:37.040
<v Speaker 3>thank you for buying it, you know, because even though

0:44:37.840 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 3>I've sold one hundred and eighty million bottles, those are

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and eighty million people that took a chance.

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:42.319
<v Speaker 2>You see.

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 1>I think that's my problem is it goes straight to

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:46.160
<v Speaker 1>ego for me. Yeah, it goes to ego, and then

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it goes to fear. It goes to wow, I really

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 1>made it, and then it goes to wow, there's nowhere

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 1>but down to go.

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:53.600
<v Speaker 2>That's all of us. It's very hard to get where.

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's hard, but it takes a while. Susie,

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.239
<v Speaker 2>where you're in therapy.

0:44:57.719 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think I've been in therapy for twenty years.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too. You know.

0:45:01.680 --> 0:45:05.239
<v Speaker 3>It's like I've made it to where right was?

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I not a whole before poopery?

0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:11.399
<v Speaker 3>Righting I've seen is whenever I have tried to make it,

0:45:11.960 --> 0:45:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I keep moving the carrot, so I never really make it. Yeah,

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:20.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, so I got tired of trying to make it, Like, Okay,

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:21.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to get to where I want to

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 3>go because I keep moving this damn needle and I

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 3>know I'm moving it. But then if that happens, then

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 3>I'll really you know, so I just kind of learned

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:33.839
<v Speaker 3>to detach myself from that and be like, it's doing

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 3>it's thing, you know, just like my children, they're doing

0:45:36.320 --> 0:45:39.040
<v Speaker 3>their life and it's awesome and I get to be freeing.

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 1>So now that you have this amazingly successful product and

0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:47.319
<v Speaker 1>spiritual course and website, and is what's next? Do you

0:45:47.320 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like you should like you can just like slow

0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>down and stop or do you have a million more ideas?

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Well? I thought so. I was a year and a

0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 3>half ago, I was living six months in Ohi, and

0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:01.799
<v Speaker 3>I was moving to Kauai and going to live six

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 3>months in Kawahi and six months in Ohai. And I

0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 3>came home for a month before I was going to Kauai,

0:46:06.920 --> 0:46:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and I fell in love with my husband here in Dallas.

0:46:09.719 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>How just out here asy real quick? How'd you meet him?

0:46:11.920 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 3>And what is he like? We've known each other for

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 3>five years, just socially and no attraction to each other.

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.200
<v Speaker 3>And one night he came over for a business meeting

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 3>that I wanted to blow off because we both love

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 3>helping young artists and a friend of ours was like,

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 3>you guys got to get together and collaborate, right, And

0:46:30.000 --> 0:46:32.719
<v Speaker 3>he walked in and my entire body shook. And we

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 3>have a song called the Moment and he's like, you know,

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.359
<v Speaker 3>it's it's literally something happened in that moment. We still

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know. We'll probably for the rest of our lives

0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.920
<v Speaker 3>not know. How can you have zero attraction to anyone

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 3>and at parties at my house like zero and then

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:48.800
<v Speaker 3>all of a sudden you are madly, wildly in love.

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 3>It was. It's the wildest thing.

0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Still, what a life life, Such an interesting life. Agree,

0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>it's so we.

0:46:58.239 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 3>Were I say we wrote thirty two songs that first

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.879
<v Speaker 3>two months we were together. We didn't sleep or eat.

0:47:04.320 --> 0:47:08.600
<v Speaker 3>I kept texting Gay my mentor going, am I, okay.

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Are you selling this album?

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 3>And someone playing he's a musician, he's a singer.

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Wow, are you selling this album? Did you sign them?

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.399
<v Speaker 3>And I will launch it in March of next year

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 3>for you, my roly don'te an article on him. We

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 3>performed some of the songs that he performed at south

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:27.200
<v Speaker 3>By Southwest. It's just fun.

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:29.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it is.

0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like you're really creative.

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 3>So your child will make a drawing and you're like, oh,

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 3>that's great and they're like yeah, and it's on the

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 3>fridge and they're making another one. Right. That's the way

0:47:41.000 --> 0:47:45.120
<v Speaker 3>I consider ideas. It's like I'm not attached to them.

0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:48.320
<v Speaker 3>We know, it's like they're just ideas. Man in some works,

0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 3>some don't. I have a goal at Fred, I tell

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 3>the whole team is we just got to win more

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.640
<v Speaker 3>than we lose. That's it. So losing is a part

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 3>of it. There's not a single sports game in the

0:47:59.640 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 3>world you don't lose something.

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:02.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that.

0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:05.439
<v Speaker 2>I love that because I take losses really hard. You do,

0:48:05.840 --> 0:48:08.319
<v Speaker 2>but if you if you consider it as part of

0:48:08.360 --> 0:48:12.560
<v Speaker 2>the whole, you know, it's no wonderful way to live. Yes. Yeah.

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 1>So our main audience who we speak to are women

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in middle age who we've we've talked about the fact

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 1>that we are sort of like an invisible in society.

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, you lose you know, we were mothers, We

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>are mothers, and then your children grow up and suddenly

0:48:28.480 --> 0:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>you lose purpose. So what would you say to anyone

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 1>in their forties or fifty who was trying to think

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>of something new to surround.

0:48:35.960 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Your career business even necessarily just like interview direction, but

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:43.200
<v Speaker 2>they're scared go to the coffee shop.

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, go to the coffee shop. Aye, I'm cam are scared. Yes,

0:48:49.719 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm scared, and lamont that the biggest in bird by Bird, Right,

0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:58.239
<v Speaker 3>whatever is your biggest fear or secret, paint it red

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:00.799
<v Speaker 3>because then it has no power over you. What does

0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 3>that mean? Pain't it read like highlight it? You know?

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:08.560
<v Speaker 3>Whatever your biggest secret or fear is highlighted?

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean like highlight it in your mind?

0:49:11.680 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 2>And I tell people about it?

0:49:13.320 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 3>People?

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:15.120
<v Speaker 2>You tell people about it.

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:21.280
<v Speaker 3>I've done that on stage. I'm terrified to be apround stage.

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:22.880
<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to let you guys know that before

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.359
<v Speaker 3>we start. And what I really want to talk about

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 3>today is right, it's like it. I used to do

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 3>that because I was scared, and I would just let

0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 3>them know I'm scared.

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>And what about the money part of like taking a

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:37.479
<v Speaker 1>loan and like putting yourself in debt?

0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Jackie's very practical or sort of like, yes, well, I

0:49:40.880 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>mean that's a part of it.

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 3>Ever, now we were debt free. We have a line

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:48.320
<v Speaker 3>of credit now because we do a lot of business,

0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 3>but we didn't even have a loan until maybe like

0:49:51.960 --> 0:49:55.280
<v Speaker 3>six or eight years ago. We operated off our own capital,

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:58.319
<v Speaker 3>no investors, no loans, so we only have a line

0:49:58.320 --> 0:49:59.560
<v Speaker 3>of credit now, we don't have a loan.

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's amazing. You're really inspirational, the coolest you really are. Well,

0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>we have your products, we love them, we love That's

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.279
<v Speaker 1>why we really wanted to talk to you.

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 2>But this is all amazing. I don't know.

0:50:14.560 --> 0:50:18.080
<v Speaker 1>I just think that your mindset with everything is so centered,

0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:20.600
<v Speaker 1>and I think what I learned today is like to

0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 1>take my ego out of it.

0:50:22.800 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 2>It's a process. Not an easy thing to do, right.

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I find I've had that message again for my therapist

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.399
<v Speaker 2>for a long time, and it's it's for me, it's

0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.920
<v Speaker 2>not it's a process, and I'm better at it now

0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:37.720
<v Speaker 2>than I was, you know, a year ago. But especially

0:50:37.800 --> 0:50:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Jackie with we're both on a reality television program. I

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:45.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you knew that. Yeah, I'm not surprised

0:50:45.680 --> 0:50:47.879
<v Speaker 2>that you don't know. I'm picturing you not even watching TV.

0:50:49.040 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 3>I went ahead. I have cable now, but I didn't

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:52.800
<v Speaker 3>have it for twenty years.

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I feel like that. I just I've that

0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 2>was an easy guess for me. But anyway, we're in

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.760
<v Speaker 2>this very interesting industry and it's very hard to factor

0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.759
<v Speaker 2>out your ego. We're surrounded by ego.

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.640
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of judgment on social media, a lot

0:51:08.680 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 1>of judgment about everything you do and whether you are

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 1>a success or a failure.

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>So it's hard to separate yourself from that.

0:51:13.760 --> 0:51:15.879
<v Speaker 1>But I think if you can take your ego out

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.279
<v Speaker 1>of things, Like last year, I wrote a book, and

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 1>if I could let the book just live and not

0:51:20.600 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 1>make the book about like how successful I am, yeah,

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I think I'd enjoy the process a lot more.

0:51:27.160 --> 0:51:31.120
<v Speaker 3>You know what. I I was in a similar place

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 3>a few years ago before the pandemic. You know. It

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 3>was the Forbes and you know, it was negotiating with

0:51:37.160 --> 0:51:39.440
<v Speaker 3>some people at Netflix, and like there's all kinds of

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.240
<v Speaker 3>stuff happening. It was all about me, right. The problem

0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 3>is I really started believing it was all true.

0:51:45.000 --> 0:51:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, belie your own hype.

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 3>I didn't like myself, you know, and that's the reason

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I just went. I tapped out of everything. Thank goodness,

0:51:52.920 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 3>the pandemic came. I was like, great, thank you. But

0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 3>I literally said this. I said to one of my

0:51:57.920 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 3>true Jillian, the creative, to my best friend. I said,

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I wish I could sell the rights to Susie Pettis

0:52:03.920 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 3>so that I could start living my life, and she goes,

0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:09.040
<v Speaker 3>do you hear what you just said? And that's when

0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:13.399
<v Speaker 3>I realized, whatever this character is of Susie Pettis I

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.960
<v Speaker 3>have bought there's too much weight there, right, Yeah, it's like,

0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 3>whatever that is, I don't even want it, so what

0:52:19.760 --> 0:52:21.759
<v Speaker 3>is that? So then I've been in this four year.

0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.440
<v Speaker 3>That's the reason I'm not out that much anymore. I'm

0:52:25.480 --> 0:52:28.160
<v Speaker 3>getting ready to be I will be. But I really

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.720
<v Speaker 3>had to come at it from a different place because

0:52:30.719 --> 0:52:31.680
<v Speaker 3>I started believing it.

0:52:31.920 --> 0:52:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah cool, Well this was amazing.

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:35.120
<v Speaker 3>None of it's true.

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know. None of that's true. All of it's

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:40.799
<v Speaker 2>made up. I think that all even.

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm the greatest saying since peanut butter, and I'm

0:52:43.800 --> 0:52:44.799
<v Speaker 3>the biggest piece of shit.

0:52:45.239 --> 0:52:49.040
<v Speaker 2>It can all happen in a day. Yeah, absolutely, I'm

0:52:49.040 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>telling you, Jack, I do. So we talked. I talk

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>about this so much in therapy and it is a

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:55.840
<v Speaker 2>delight to talk about it with you. Yeah, this is great.

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us. We love your product,

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.399
<v Speaker 1>I love your six sus We wish you everything good.

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:06.400
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't sound like you need our well wishes because.

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you so much and the same to you

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 3>and send me send me your show. I want to

0:53:12.960 --> 0:53:13.319
<v Speaker 3>watch it.

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I'm not so sure.

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Your spirituality.

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:26.520
<v Speaker 2>You'll have to use the pole. We enjoy it just

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:31.279
<v Speaker 2>because it will be so like foreign to you. Maybe yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm because I know you guys and will never use

0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:39.040
<v Speaker 2>foobery the same. Well, thank you, Thank you so much,

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:45.720
<v Speaker 2>a pleasure. Be well, okay, bye bye bye. Amazing cool.

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 2>She's so so I.

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Can't stop thinking about that part about separating your ego

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:51.800
<v Speaker 1>from it, like how much less pressure?

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Jack? Do you know how much we talked about that.

0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:57.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I talk about that. That is ego. It's

0:53:57.920 --> 0:54:02.040
<v Speaker 2>all ego. All this stuff with not just housewives but

0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 2>your business. It's all about like trying to separate from

0:54:06.440 --> 0:54:06.960
<v Speaker 2>the ego.

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I know, like everything becomes about how it's going to

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 1>make you look, or how it makes you feel, or

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.759
<v Speaker 1>how successful, like always chasing, chasing.

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Chasing, chasing. Yeah, well what a mindset she has.

0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.920
<v Speaker 1>She's really that's why she's so successful because she just

0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:22.799
<v Speaker 1>never gave up.

0:54:24.160 --> 0:54:24.680
<v Speaker 2>Amazing.

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 1>That was great And if you have not tried poofery

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:29.480
<v Speaker 1>it actually, yeah, it's.

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Great, fabulous product, and I will start actually spraying it

0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:33.840
<v Speaker 2>beforehand into the water. Who knew.

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't even know that either. I just sprayed

0:54:36.600 --> 0:54:36.920
<v Speaker 1>in the air.

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:39.120
<v Speaker 2>I hope you guys love that as much as we did.

0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:42.120
<v Speaker 2>Did you tell people where to buy F Major? Oh

0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 2>that's a friend, Thank you very much. If you guys

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:48.040
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<v Speaker 1>The first time I met Jen, she had a suitcase

0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 1>full of F Majors with her. She was hustling. Yeah,

0:54:55.560 --> 0:55:01.279
<v Speaker 1>this was years before the Housewives. She was hustling her shoes. Yeah, okay. Well,

0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I hope that if any of you have ideas in

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>your head that this inspired you to maybe do a

0:55:08.840 --> 0:55:11.879
<v Speaker 1>little digging on how to get started and maybe pull

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:13.640
<v Speaker 1>in a friend or someone.

0:55:13.360 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 2>You trust and go for it right, get rid of

0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:20.120
<v Speaker 2>the fear, right all right, guys, see you next time.

0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Until next time, that's love. Bye bye,