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Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Jen Sfessler and Jackie gol Schneider and

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 2: To Jersey Jay two. Jersey Jays. I saw you the

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Speaker 2: other day. Oh yeah, I've seen you a lot lately.

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Speaker 1: We went to the VMEs last week. Was no, that

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Speaker 1: was two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we went to VMA's. Yes, we were not.

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Speaker 1: Sitting together, but we were together on the red carpet.

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Speaker 2: That was really fun. It's just fun. It was UNBULLI yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was really fun. It was really really good. And

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Speaker 2: then you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Loved Benson Boone, the one of the Rhymestone jacket at

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Speaker 1: the piano because yes, I recognized the song, yes, and

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Speaker 1: then I was like freaking out, like just his whole performance.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I used that song before and I

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Speaker 1: like liked it, but when you see him perform it,

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Speaker 1: and then you're.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh wait, I actually love that song. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 2: And that's why I was. We went to jingle Ball

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Speaker 2: last year and Sabrina Carpenter performed, and I was sort

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Speaker 2: of like, you know, I didn't really get it, like

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Speaker 2: I was too old for Sabrina Carpenter, and then I

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Speaker 2: saw her perform and I was like, Okay, Wow, I

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Speaker 2: get it. Yeah, I get it.

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Speaker 1: With Chapel row Into, she's an old soul. I feel

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Speaker 1: like her music is for people who grew up.

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Speaker 2: In the eighties. Yes, well, speaking of old souls, I

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Speaker 2: did sort of feel like one on the Red carpet.

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Speaker 2: Not an old soul, sort of an old person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I felt a little old also, Yeah. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 2: I got that outfit together and I was so excited

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Speaker 2: about it, and you get I mean, I love the outfit,

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Speaker 2: but like you get on the red carpet and these

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Speaker 2: people are just in over the top, they're like costumes. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: they're so fabulous, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then my daughter, who's fourteen, she's recognizing all the

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Speaker 1: people from TikTok who I have no idea who they are.

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Speaker 1: And then when she would get really excited, she was

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Speaker 1: like bro, and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: What did you just call me? Bru b bruh. And

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Speaker 2: then we were together to do Jana Kramer. Oh that

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Speaker 2: was really fun.

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Speaker 1: You're into country music. I'm not so much. I'm like

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Speaker 1: an all rock kind of girl.

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Speaker 2: But it's so funny. But I love seeing you excited.

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Speaker 1: But I love her.

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Speaker 2: I love her. She is just she's very fabulous, adorable, interesting,

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Speaker 2: beautiful all of it. And I love Kat They're so

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Speaker 2: good together. Yeah, they're very sweet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we start Amy and TJ on the

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Speaker 1: way out. Yes, Kelly Wanson was good. We have been

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Speaker 1: so I've seen you a lot lately. So last time

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Speaker 1: we talked about what would happen if the show ended, right,

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Speaker 1: and so this is sort of like maybe a little

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Speaker 1: bit on the topic because if it did ends, we

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Speaker 1: would have to start thinking about what's the next step

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, reinventing yourself at a certain point

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Speaker 2: mean reinventing yourself, but finding purpose, for instance, after you're

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Speaker 2: an empty nester, and women that don't have kids at

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Speaker 2: some point, I guess there's retirement, right or wanting to

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Speaker 1: No, But also there's the financial portion, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people can't afford to just you know, stop working

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Speaker 1: So I have a lot of those friends. I have

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Speaker 1: And but I know so many friends of mine are

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Speaker 1: successful at having done that, you know, which is so

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Speaker 1: exciting at a later point in life.

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Speaker 2: At starting new careers, a life start, not just starting

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Speaker 1: There's also yeah, there was this case on the side note,

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Speaker 2: Do you hear about this?

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Speaker 1: No, And nobody was claiming her body and they couldn't.

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Speaker 1: And then it came out that nobody had visited this

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Speaker 1: And there's this epidemic of loneliness amongst seniors, especially in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I know it's hard. We're the Sandwich generation

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Speaker 1: But you know, back to what we're talking about today,

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Speaker 1: like it is really really hard to start something new

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Speaker 2: Fifties, right, or like it's really hard to.

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Speaker 1: You know, Like in my head, it's like when I

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Speaker 1: think of doing something new, I'm like, well, there's already

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Speaker 2: Out of that. And there's also We've talked about this

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Speaker 2: numerous times, but the invisibility factor that when you get

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Speaker 2: if that's true, you know, necessarily in middle age, I

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Speaker 2: So you know, I always love these stories of women

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, before we tell you who we were speaking

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Speaker 1: to today, Jen, you actually did just that. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: did so tell us about your business. For those who

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Speaker 1: don't know, Jen started a shoe business.

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Speaker 2: How old were you?

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Speaker 1: Fifty fifty? That's amazing. So Jen started a shoe business

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Speaker 2: So I was so frustrated at fifty because I have

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Speaker 2: always loved wearing high heels my whole life. I used

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Speaker 2: I've got numerous nasty things going on with my feet,

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Speaker 2: And you know, at age fifty, I actually had some

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Speaker 1: Right, But how do you get from the point? So

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Speaker 1: I think that ninety nine percent of people's dreams die

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Speaker 1: And I've I've actually pulled the trigger on a lot

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Speaker 2: got on the team. Then we found a manufacturer in Spain.

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Speaker 2: They got on the team. Then my best friend from

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, I almost can't believe it because I've

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Speaker 3: something that happens when you're at the bottom. It's really

435
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Speaker 3: I call it the luxury of losing everything, because once

436
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 3: you've lost everything and you realize, hey, I'm intact, I'm

437
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 3: still good, I'm living, I'm breathing, you build some sort

438
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 3: of resilience, see where you don't really care anymore. Yeah,

439
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 3: definitely as the ego and attachment. But I did that

440
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 3: with Pee right after the pandemic. I didn't want to

441
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: come back. I was living in Beverly Hills and the

442
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 3: company was really suffering, and I didn't want to come back,

443
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 3: and I really thought I was going to lose everything.

444
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 3: So I had to face that in myself. Am I

445
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: willing to lose everything? Wow?

446
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 2: We've talked about this, like how when you're at the bottom,

447
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: it's you know this grap you wanted, there's nowhere to go, right,

448
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 2: So you have the luxury of that and the luxury

449
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 2: if you can only rise. But when you're at the top,

450
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 2: there sometimes is that fear that you're going to get

451
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 2: sucked back down. Yeah, and so like the beautiful place

452
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 2: to live is outside of that sort of My therapist

453
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: always says like indignity, like there's nothing to lose, there's

454
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: nothing to gain. You know, you're good where you are,

455
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: and then you can just do your thing without fear.

456
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 3: And my probogy that is to go all the way in.

457
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 3: And when I say all the way in is I

458
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: don't mess with the fear. I don't sit there and go, oh,

459
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to try to go to a positive thought.

460
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to like, I don't do any of that

461
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 3: stuff right because that's just the thing I don't like

462
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: about mindfulness as it's full of mind, you know what

463
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 3: I'm saying. So what I love is mindfulness is try

464
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 3: to try to try to manage your thoughts, try to

465
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 3: you know. So what I do is I go all

466
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: the way down into the bottom, really imagining I've lost everything.

467
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 3: I'm a fake. I'm a fraud. Everybody's laughing at me.

468
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 3: They think I'm a big joke. Literally, I spent this

469
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 3: is two years ago. I spent in my bed for

470
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: a couple of days, just curled up, going through all

471
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Speaker 3: of that horror.

472
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Speaker 2: You know, that does not sound like fun.

473
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Speaker 3: Everybody said you teach manifest every story you could imagine.

474
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: I was going through it and I finally went like, okay,

475
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 3: that's it. I'm losing everything. And then I thought, well,

476
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 3: that'd make a good story. Do you see how to

477
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: bounce back up? But they as I go all the

478
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 3: way down, I don't try to temper that fear. I'm like, okay,

479
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: let's go. If I'm gonna lose everything, let's see what

480
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: does that look like? What does that feel like? What

481
00:23:56,240 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 3: is every story that's involved in that? Yeah, says that

482
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: it's just like an ayahuasca ceremony, you know, or any

483
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: sort of medicine ceremony, if you've ever done any of those.

484
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 3: The thing is you're get shown the dark thing, but

485
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 3: you look at you face it, and then you integrate it,

486
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 3: and then it doesn't have power anymore.

487
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Speaker 2: Do you feel like you would have had that sort

488
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 2: of wherewithal when you were younger? Because we're all about

489
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, reinventing ourselves, not just reinventing ourselves,

490
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,479
Speaker 2: but you know, finding things that fulfill us as we

491
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 2: get older. And uh, for me, I feel like I

492
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: could do things now that I would never have been

493
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Speaker 2: able to do in my twenties or thirties.

494
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Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, no, no way, you're so much more wise. Yeah.

495
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: My daughter the other day was talking about she was

496
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: taking a lot of personal accountability and I said, you know,

497
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 3: and she was like, I'm going to go in and

498
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 3: do some work on that. And I said, you know,

499
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Speaker 3: it's so great that you're facing that and taking accountability

500
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: and that you know it's safe enough. I said, only

501
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: wisdom would know what's safe enough to go there. And

502
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: she was like, oh mom, And I go, yeah, I go.

503
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: That's the beauty of wisdom. You know, I can dive

504
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: to those deep dark places and I'm going to be okay, yeah, yeah.

505
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: It makes sense anymore.

506
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I need.

507
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: To get past that fear.

508
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: I still am afraid of those things, and I think

509
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: that holds me back and I actually pull the trigger

510
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: on a lot of ideas, but I get sucked down

511
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: by people not believing in me. I hold things very

512
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: tight to the vest, like I won't tell anyone until

513
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: it's a success, so that they don't know.

514
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: If I fail.

515
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm scared of people seeing my failures.

516
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: Oh you know, it would be a really fun exercise.

517
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: If you go to the coffee shop this week, say

518
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Speaker 3: they say what's your name? When you go Hi, Jackie,

519
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 3: I could really be a failure. I'm a failure and

520
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: see what happens. So I love they good all somatic exercises.

521
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Speaker 2: What will happen? I think you would end up in

522
00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: patience Jackie herself she only lost. She's looking for helping

523
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: start ups.

524
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah right, you know I did it when I first

525
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: got divorced. I was terrified of being I'd been married

526
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 3: twenty six years. That was my identity. And one of

527
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: my friends, best creative coach in the world, Gillian Farrabee,

528
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 3: she said, order your coffee and say, hey, I'm Susie.

529
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Speaker 3: I'm single. And I did. I went to order it

530
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 3: and I'd go, I'm Susie, I'm no God. I just

531
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 3: cry for like two weeks. Every time i'd order my coffee,

532
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I'm Susie, I'm single.

533
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Speaker 2: And they never called the men in the white coats.

534
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: They just like, have your coffee.

535
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: Okay, someone would write, Susie is single.

536
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: Single, Oh my goodness, why did it help?

537
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 3: It helps because you face it, you know, it's the

538
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: same thing. It's like, hi, you know Jackie. You know

539
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 3: I feel I could be a failure, you know, and

540
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: if you just do that, they're like, oh dude, me too.

541
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: Right, well, what do they say in the twelve step programs?

542
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: Acceptance is the first said the first step. Accept it

543
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: when you're free of it, you know.

544
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a big dark secret. I'm afraid it. We're

545
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 3: all afraid of being a failure.

546
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I ask you? I'm dying here the rest

547
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: of this story. So the guy bought, he put it

548
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: in his store. He sold it for ten dollars, and

549
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: then what.

550
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 3: And then the next day another store called and said

551
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: a friend of mine bought this product, put it in

552
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 3: his store, and I buy the product, and the next

553
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:30,959
Speaker 3: day another friend.

554
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: And what was your mindset? Were you like, oh my god,

555
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: I can't believe this. It was your first successful, really

556
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: successful product, right?

557
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was excited. I was like, wow, this is amazing.

558
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: And then they said you need to go to market.

559
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what's market? And they're like, well, you

560
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 3: go to the gift market and then you set up

561
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 3: a booth and then people come to place orders. And

562
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: so I did my first gift market in Dallas, and

563
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: that's the point where I wanted to leave. We set

564
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: up the booth, you know, and I have like, you know,

565
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: drapes and a toilet with yellow faked limits. It was

566
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: so bad and people kept walking by laughing. And I

567
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: looked at my husband at the time and I'm like,

568
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 3: we got to get out of here, okay, and he goes,

569
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 3: we paid five thousand dollars. I don't care. We're getting

570
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 3: out of here, like this is an embarrassment. But he

571
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: talked to me out of it, and I talked to

572
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 3: myself into staying. And we made like fifteen or twenty thousand,

573
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: and we were so excited.

574
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot of money. Was an entire investment

575
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: right there. Yeah.

576
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: And then they were going, are you going to Atlanta Market?

577
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, when's that? And they're like, in two weeks.

578
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: So I called Atlanta, go to Atlanta and then they

579
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 3: go You're gonna go to New York Market And I'm like,

580
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: when's that and they're like, oh, that's in three weeks.

581
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, great. So I just kept literally everybody

582
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: just kept leading me there. I was like, and I just.

583
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: Have to ask you, like, when you're that big of

584
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: a success, I just want to know what that feels like.

585
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: And I don't care. I'm just going to say it

586
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: the money of it all, And I know you're probably

587
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: gonna say that's probably it wasn't the most fulfilling part.

588
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: But like what I.

589
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: Think, like it's that must be so crazy and exciting,

590
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: and I don't know, like tell us some of maybe

591
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: that wasn't the money that thrilled you.

592
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: Maybe that was just be me, but it wasn't because I.

593
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: Had a very complicated relationship with money. You know, I

594
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: had a lot of poverty mindset to really overcome. You know.

595
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I bought a pair of

596
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 3: Farantinium Baker boots from Barney's and they were like six

597
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: hundred bucks. This is like fifteen years ago, and I

598
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: sent them back three times. Oh, and I was making

599
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 3: you know, we were doing a couple of million dollars

600
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 3: a year, but it was so oh my god. So

601
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: I had a lot of worthiness issues. So money was

602
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: the business was doing its thing, and I never really

603
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 3: took it personal. So I never really thought, oh yay,

604
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: I made a bunch of money. It's just like almost

605
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: like a child like you got to get at school. Yeah,

606
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: you made an a that's awesome. That's the child, right right, child.

607
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 3: You don't sit there and go ooh, I have a

608
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: child who got day's I made or so smart? You

609
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. You just go, that's great. Bag. Maybe.

610
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: So that was my relationship and still is my relationship

611
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 3: with poopery.

612
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: That's probably way healthier than the way that I think,

613
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: which is just not that you should be. I don't

614
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: know if you're driven by money, if you ever really

615
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: find the kind of success that you want, right, But

616
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: I feel like I would be so excited about that

617
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: part of it. Yeah, yeah, and.

618
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: Again wonderful news. You probably don't have worthiness issues to

619
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: work through.

620
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: Oh believe me. I have plenty of issues.

621
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 3: Do sound like it right there? But other issues, But

622
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: you say we all have own. That was an issue

623
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: that I was working through and really still are, like,

624
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: what is you know, I've been married for a year

625
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: and both of us had to have had to have

626
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: some really harsh facings of worthiness. You know, how can

627
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: you you know what happens when you get everything you

628
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 3: ever wanted.

629
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you just wait for the h Yeah yeah,

630
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: I heard it. Or you know, I always waiting for

631
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: a shoe to drop after that, Like when something good happens,

632
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for it to get right to get So

633
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: what's been the most exciting part of this for you?

634
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: What I learned is to not be attached. I was like, oh,

635
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: it's its thing, I'm not going to be attached to

636
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 3: it because I'm not going to go on the ride

637
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: of money. I've been bankrupt twice. I've been Forbes richest women,

638
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: I've been bankrupt twice. Don't get on you.

639
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 2: You have bankrupt after Forbes.

640
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: I was bankrupt when I was twenty and then I

641
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: was bank thirty.

642
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: Are you comfortable talking about that. I'd love to know

643
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: your backstory.

644
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: I'm comfortable talking about everything.

645
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

646
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: So what was your first Your first bankruptcy was from

647
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: starting another product.

648
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: No, I had a bridal salon I bought when I

649
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: was nineteen. I got married, I was married, bankrupt, and

650
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Speaker 3: divorced by the time I was twenty one.

651
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Speaker 2: Wow wow.

652
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. But the really fun part is I when I

653
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: was seventeen, I invented a pair of denium shoes. I

654
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: really get to tell the story. It was really fun.

655
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: It was back in the day when guest genes were

656
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,719
Speaker 3: really anyway you wore, like if you were a pink sweater,

657
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: you were pink pumps. It was like the cigarette leg ye,

658
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: the colorful pumps, right eighty two. But anyway, I thought, well,

659
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: you know if I if these were dentialm they would

660
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: match everything. So my boyfriend's aunt worked a shoe factory.

661
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: I draw up a shoe, I cut up some dinum

662
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: and leather, and she makes me this dental pump. So

663
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: I called guests in New York and I'm like, oh

664
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Speaker 3: my god, here I am seventeen year old little girl

665
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Speaker 3: from Arkansas.

666
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 2: Right.

667
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: I called them and they're like, we're coming out with

668
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: a shoe line. Come see us. And I was like wow.

669
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: So I called. I go to my mom and I'm like,

670
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: I got to go to New York. Guests, you know,

671
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: wants to see me see my dental pump. And she said,

672
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: you can't go to ark I mean to New York.

673
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: I said, why, She goes, You're just that girl from Arkansas.

674
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 3: They're going to chew you up and spit you out.

675
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: So I never went right. Well, I came out with

676
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: two years later, a dnim shoe, a dentim pump. Right,

677
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: Lena did a pump you know.

678
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Wow. How was your relationship with.

679
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Speaker 1: Your mom.

680
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 3: Tumultuous?

681
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

682
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I was molested by my stepfather and when

683
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: it came out when I was sixteen, she ended up

684
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: living with my stepfather until she died. So it was

685
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 3: a massive betrayal, you know, my psyche.

686
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: So I understand my relationship, and now I'm not surprised that, you.

687
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: Know, just like that, like, yeah, she really did believe

688
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: they're going to choot me up and spit me out.

689
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: You know.

690
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: It was Yeah, she probably thought she was protecting you.

691
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

692
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so that never went anywhere. Okay, so what

693
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: made you bankrupt? Just creating the shoe using all your money?

694
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I bought a bridal salon, so then

695
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, there's a bridal salon. A lady was

696
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: going out of business. It ended up with a bunch

697
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: of old inventory. She really tricked me, you know. But anyway,

698
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: I ended up following bankruptcy and just moved on.

699
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is such everything about this is inspirational

700
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, we hope that our listeners

701
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: are not just middle aged but also you know, younger,

702
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: and like, how great, Like I want my daughter to

703
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: hear about this.

704
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's really easy to believe that when life

705
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: knocks you down that there's that's it, that's all there

706
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: is for me, And like, I took my shot and

707
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: now that's done. So how do you pick yourself back

708
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: up after that? Especially being so young and not having support.

709
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'm starting to understand the answer to that question.

710
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: That's the that's the question that stumped me the most

711
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 3: over the past, you know, ten years of doing these

712
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: interviews is people would say, where'd you get your resilience?

713
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't know, you know, but

714
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: what I believe is it's faith. I was raised in

715
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 3: a very dog at a super conservative Christian environment that

716
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 3: I rebelled from for many years. But they're also the

717
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 3: beauty in that there was a seed of faith in

718
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: me that knew that everything's going to be okay. You

719
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: know my father, It's funny I learned about balance from

720
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: someone that was bipolar. My dad was a bi bipolar.

721
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 3: He was also alcoholic, but he used to draw me

722
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: the universe, and he'd be like, here's the way the

723
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: universe work. So he's teaching me metaphysics in Arkansas nineteen

724
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: you know, when I was a god in the seventies,

725
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 3: and he would say, and he had no metaphysical training,

726
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: but he would say, the universe is balanced, right. You

727
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 3: can't believe in angels if you don't believe in demons,

728
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: he said, But the way that it's designed is evil

729
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: can never overtake good because it's a perfect balance that

730
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Speaker 3: in itself is benevolent.

731
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Speaker 2: So that's so cool. Yeah, I mean I never thought

732
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: of it that way.

733
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Speaker 3: Exackly equal. There's a little bit more benevolence because of

734
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 3: just that alone. That's what raises it to where so

735
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: I always it's trained from a young age to know

736
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Speaker 3: that everything's okay.

737
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Speaker 2: I spent so much time worrying about evil taking over,

738
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Speaker 2: especially right now at this point that our world where

739
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: we are right now, and we're two Jewish women, and

740
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of fear specifically for Jewish

741
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: people right now. I know there is in this country.

742
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: And what a fabulous thing, yeah, And what a fabulous

743
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: thing for me to hold on to and share with

744
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Speaker 2: my friends, and not only that, but like talking about

745
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: younger people. I have two kids in their twenties, and

746
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: they get so frightened, like what if this doesn't go well?

747
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 2: What if it doesn't go right? Where will I be

748
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: in there? I'm like, you're in your twenties, this is

749
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: the time for all of that. But still you know,

750
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: having some faith, and I think just sharing with them

751
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: this story is going to be very valuable to them.

752
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about if there was someone

753
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: in our lives who was creating something that we didn't

754
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: think was a great idea? Do you believe in just

755
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: shutting your mouth or being honest or just supporting someone

756
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: blindly no matter what?

757
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: Like what hell? What it helped you?

758
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a rule, right, what is it? Is it useful?

759
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: Is it productive?

760
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? What are those things?

761
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

762
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: I know there's like there I want to say, it's

763
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: there's like four letters or something. There's something you never.

764
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 3: Idea, but I still kind of do it. No, I

765
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 3: don't exactly remember, it's like, hold on, is this going

766
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: to serve right? The person, the project, whatever it could be?

767
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: Feedback that's necessary, Like, hey, it didn't work for me.

768
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: That's very valuable feedback to It's not negative, it's honest,

769
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 3: it's right. I love that you're going for it, and

770
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: I had issues with it. Can I tell you what

771
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: happened right, rather than oh, that's a bad idea that sucks.

772
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 3: You're going to fail, you know, or overinflating pretending like

773
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 3: it's good when it's not. One of the issues. I

774
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: do believe we make too much stuff, but I think

775
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: the issue is we don't make If we only made

776
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: stuff that made our lives better, we would have way

777
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: fewer products, you know. So that's the question is does

778
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: it make the world better, does it make you better?

779
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: Or is it just more crap we're putting out in

780
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: the world.

781
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: And this might be a very ridiculous question, but I

782
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: can't help it. You have a daughter, one daughter, do

783
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: you have other one you want to tell daughter?

784
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 3: And two sons.

785
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering how just watching you. I know that

786
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: when I created a business when I was fifty, and

787
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 2: I was just saying earlier, my therapist said, the greatest

788
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: part of this is having your daughter watch you at

789
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: fifty create something and feel so good about it. But

790
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering all of these messages I want to

791
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: share them with my kids. And I wonder about your kids.

792
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: Are you able to do all of this, not just

793
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: in theory, but in practice, kind of stay out of

794
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 2: their space and let them fail. And because I work

795
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 2: very hard at that. It's not easy.

796
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: It's not easy. It's not easy. Still. Now, you know,

797
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: one of my sons right now, we're we're trying to mend.

798
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 3: But you know he has a lot of anyway, it

799
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. You know, there's family issues.

800
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 2: Right there, always are there, always are.

801
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 3: They always come up and it's always about like you know,

802
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: i'll tell you what I told him. I won't tell

803
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: you his part, that's his business. But I said, you know,

804
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 3: I apologize for having the misconception that I could alleviate

805
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: struggle in your life and that it would be good

806
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: for you.

807
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: Thank you. When I have to write it down, Jackie,

808
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: do you have a pen? Okay? Perfect? Because I want

809
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: to say that to my children. I'm sorry that I

810
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: had the misconception.

811
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Speaker 1: That I could alleviate struggle, that I exactly eliminate your

812
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: struggles for you, right, because everything you need struggles, right.

813
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 2: I love that.

814
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 3: It's the truth. It's like, man, I had a really misconception.

815
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 3: I thought, if you didn't struggle, your life would be great.

816
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: That's really what I thought. What a myth?

817
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Speaker 1: That's I asked you about your spiritual work. You have

818
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: a platform called Eliva shit. Can you tell us about that?

819
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: Which is obviously obviously.

820
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:15,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, well it's actually called Alivas. Oh. I did

821
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: want to call it a live as shit, but I

822
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: couldn't because of you can't do ads right saying shit right. Okay,

823
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: So anyway, it's called a live OS for a live

824
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 3: operating system. I do have any on Siginus says a

825
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: live as shit, But yeah, Aliva WES is basically a thesis.

826
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Speaker 3: It's taking the twenty years of hardcore personal development work.

827
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: I don't do anything halfway, you know. I've done over

828
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: one hundred and seventy something hallucinogenic journeys in ceremonial settings,

829
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 3: psychological reasons. I've done EMDR for over ten years, religiously,

830
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: I've done somatic therapy for thirty years, countless workshop. So

831
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Speaker 3: I'm just mean I've been in it, right. So what

832
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: happened is I took the eight markers that I thought,

833
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: really that things that I learned that really made a

834
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 3: change in my life and I packaged them together. I say,

835
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 3: at the very beginning, this is a thesis. Here's my teachers,

836
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: here's my mentors. I don't know where my work stops.

837
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: And there's starts and there's ends. You know, I'm saying,

838
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't, so I've tried to give as much credit

839
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 3: as I can. But it's like you go through college

840
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: and you go, hold on, here's what I learned, and

841
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: here are my theories and my ideas, and it drastically

842
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: changes people's lives. The first time I taught it, I

843
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 3: taught it to twenty five women. I asked them to

844
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: be my accountability partners. I wanted to rewrite that program

845
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: that I wrote, you know, eighteen years before, and man,

846
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: they were getting divorced. They were like quitting their jobs,

847
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: They're moving across country. I was like, hold on, people,

848
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: what are you doing? And what I realized is they

849
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: were just looking for permission. These were all inner desires

850
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: that had been happening for a long time, you know,

851
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying. And now all of a sudden, as they're

852
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: working through the system and learning about residents and dissonance

853
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: and how to identify these things once you can't once

854
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 3: you identify dissonance, you can't unsee it. It's like, oh shit,

855
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: this is draining my energy. Okay, great, what am I

856
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: going to do about it? Then you can make choices.

857
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 3: People that say, oh, this marriage is killing me, this

858
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: job is killing me, there's truth to that. It's actually

859
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 3: draining your life force energy. So a lot of people

860
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 3: through an eight week process for basically getting rid of

861
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: the shit. You know, we dump a lot of shit

862
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: and then we start putting in good ship. Wow.

863
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: So is it designed more for people who are Do

864
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: you find that the women who come to you are

865
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: more drawn for they want to start a new business,

866
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,240
Speaker 1: or they're just people who are struggling in their life.

867
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 3: Everyone everyone's struggling with something. Yeah, the relationship of business,

868
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: what's happening in the world. You know, there's if so

869
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: it's for anyone.

870
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: Do you tend to draw more young, younger women or

871
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: middle aged women? Just everyone?

872
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 3: Everyone? Usually middle aged to older women.

873
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: That's what I would think.

874
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 3: But we've had people. I've had girls as young as

875
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: thirteen go through it. Wow. Wow, Yeah, it's a it's

876
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 3: a great program. Yeah. So really, anybody can do it

877
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: because the principles are very basic you know, but it

878
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: is a process and we put you in a group

879
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: and you have these accountability partners. It's really fun. There

880
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 3: are still I haven't really taught it in a couple

881
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: of years. I'm getting ready to do another live one

882
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: and really start promoting it again. But you know, there

883
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 3: are people that have a live groups from four years

884
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: ago that are still you know, in their mentor circles.

885
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: Really, our listeners can sign up for this online obviously.

886
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 3: Oh you just go to Susie Batist.

887
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: I see you guys.

888
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, can I ask you back to poopery because I

889
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: just think that it is such an amazing product. When

890
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: was the moment that you were like, wow, I have

891
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: truly made it? Like was there a celebrity who was

892
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: like I have this in my bathroom like Oprah or

893
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: not that Oprah poops? But was there like a place

894
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: where you saw it being sold or you know, on

895
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: in the bathroom at the Oscars, or was there.

896
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: Any moment for you?

897
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: Not really again, you stay separated from that.

898
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: I do, I really do. I go to gratitude, you know,

899
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 3: each time somebody goes, oh my god, I love that product,

900
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 3: I just go to, oh my god, I'm so grateful,

901
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 3: thank you for buying it, you know, because even though

902
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 3: I've sold one hundred and eighty million bottles, those are

903
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty million people that took a chance.

904
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: You see.

905
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: I think that's my problem is it goes straight to

906
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: ego for me. Yeah, it goes to ego, and then

907
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: it goes to fear. It goes to wow, I really

908
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: made it, and then it goes to wow, there's nowhere

909
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: but down to go.

910
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: That's all of us. It's very hard to get where.

911
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's hard, but it takes a while. Susie,

912
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: where you're in therapy.

913
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think I've been in therapy for twenty years.

914
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. You know.

915
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: It's like I've made it to where right was?

916
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: I not a whole before poopery?

917
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: Righting I've seen is whenever I have tried to make it,

918
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: I keep moving the carrot, so I never really make it. Yeah,

919
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: you know, so I got tired of trying to make it, Like, Okay,

920
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get to where I want to

921
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: go because I keep moving this damn needle and I

922
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: know I'm moving it. But then if that happens, then

923
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: I'll really you know, so I just kind of learned

924
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 3: to detach myself from that and be like, it's doing

925
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 3: it's thing, you know, just like my children, they're doing

926
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 3: their life and it's awesome and I get to be freeing.

927
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: So now that you have this amazingly successful product and

928
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: spiritual course and website, and is what's next? Do you

929
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: feel like you should like you can just like slow

930
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: down and stop or do you have a million more ideas?

931
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 3: Well? I thought so. I was a year and a

932
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: half ago, I was living six months in Ohi, and

933
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 3: I was moving to Kauai and going to live six

934
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: months in Kawahi and six months in Ohai. And I

935
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: came home for a month before I was going to Kauai,

936
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 3: and I fell in love with my husband here in Dallas.

937
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: How just out here asy real quick? How'd you meet him?

938
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: And what is he like? We've known each other for

939
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 3: five years, just socially and no attraction to each other.

940
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: And one night he came over for a business meeting

941
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: that I wanted to blow off because we both love

942
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: helping young artists and a friend of ours was like,

943
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: you guys got to get together and collaborate, right, And

944
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: he walked in and my entire body shook. And we

945
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: have a song called the Moment and he's like, you know,

946
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 3: it's it's literally something happened in that moment. We still

947
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: don't know. We'll probably for the rest of our lives

948
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: not know. How can you have zero attraction to anyone

949
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: and at parties at my house like zero and then

950
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you are madly, wildly in love.

951
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 3: It was. It's the wildest thing.

952
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,280
Speaker 1: Still, what a life life, Such an interesting life. Agree,

953
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: it's so we.

954
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: Were I say we wrote thirty two songs that first

955
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 3: two months we were together. We didn't sleep or eat.

956
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 3: I kept texting Gay my mentor going, am I, okay.

957
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: Are you selling this album?

958
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: And someone playing he's a musician, he's a singer.

959
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: Wow, are you selling this album? Did you sign them?

960
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,399
Speaker 3: And I will launch it in March of next year

961
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: for you, my roly don'te an article on him. We

962
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 3: performed some of the songs that he performed at south

963
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: By Southwest. It's just fun.

964
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: Wow, it is.

965
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're really creative.

966
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: So your child will make a drawing and you're like, oh,

967
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: that's great and they're like yeah, and it's on the

968
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 3: fridge and they're making another one. Right. That's the way

969
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: I consider ideas. It's like I'm not attached to them.

970
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 3: We know, it's like they're just ideas. Man in some works,

971
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 3: some don't. I have a goal at Fred, I tell

972
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 3: the whole team is we just got to win more

973
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: than we lose. That's it. So losing is a part

974
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 3: of it. There's not a single sports game in the

975
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 3: world you don't lose something.

976
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

977
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,439
Speaker 2: I love that because I take losses really hard. You do,

978
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: but if you if you consider it as part of

979
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: the whole, you know, it's no wonderful way to live. Yes. Yeah.

980
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: So our main audience who we speak to are women

981
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: in middle age who we've we've talked about the fact

982
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: that we are sort of like an invisible in society.

983
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: You know, you lose you know, we were mothers, We

984
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: are mothers, and then your children grow up and suddenly

985
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: you lose purpose. So what would you say to anyone

986
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: in their forties or fifty who was trying to think

987
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 1: of something new to surround.

988
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: Your career business even necessarily just like interview direction, but

989
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 2: they're scared go to the coffee shop.

990
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, go to the coffee shop. Aye, I'm cam are scared. Yes,

991
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm scared, and lamont that the biggest in bird by Bird, Right,

992
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: whatever is your biggest fear or secret, paint it red

993
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: because then it has no power over you. What does

994
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: that mean? Pain't it read like highlight it? You know?

995
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 3: Whatever your biggest secret or fear is highlighted?

996
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean like highlight it in your mind?

997
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: And I tell people about it?

998
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: People?

999
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 2: You tell people about it.

1000
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 3: I've done that on stage. I'm terrified to be apround stage.

1001
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 3: I just wanted to let you guys know that before

1002
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,359
Speaker 3: we start. And what I really want to talk about

1003
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 3: today is right, it's like it. I used to do

1004
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: that because I was scared, and I would just let

1005
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: them know I'm scared.

1006
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: And what about the money part of like taking a

1007
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,479
Speaker 1: loan and like putting yourself in debt?

1008
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: Jackie's very practical or sort of like, yes, well, I

1009
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: mean that's a part of it.

1010
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 3: Ever, now we were debt free. We have a line

1011
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 3: of credit now because we do a lot of business,

1012
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: but we didn't even have a loan until maybe like

1013
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 3: six or eight years ago. We operated off our own capital,

1014
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 3: no investors, no loans, so we only have a line

1015
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: of credit now, we don't have a loan.

1016
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: Wow, it's amazing. You're really inspirational, the coolest you really are. Well,

1017
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: we have your products, we love them, we love That's

1018
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: why we really wanted to talk to you.

1019
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 2: But this is all amazing. I don't know.

1020
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: I just think that your mindset with everything is so centered,

1021
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: and I think what I learned today is like to

1022
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: take my ego out of it.

1023
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: It's a process. Not an easy thing to do, right.

1024
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 2: I find I've had that message again for my therapist

1025
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 2: for a long time, and it's it's for me, it's

1026
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: not it's a process, and I'm better at it now

1027
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: than I was, you know, a year ago. But especially

1028
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 2: Jackie with we're both on a reality television program. I

1029
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: don't know if you knew that. Yeah, I'm not surprised

1030
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: that you don't know. I'm picturing you not even watching TV.

1031
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 3: I went ahead. I have cable now, but I didn't

1032
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 3: have it for twenty years.

1033
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I feel like that. I just I've that

1034
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 2: was an easy guess for me. But anyway, we're in

1035
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: this very interesting industry and it's very hard to factor

1036
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: out your ego. We're surrounded by ego.

1037
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: And a lot of judgment on social media, a lot

1038
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: of judgment about everything you do and whether you are

1039
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: a success or a failure.

1040
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 2: So it's hard to separate yourself from that.

1041
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 1: But I think if you can take your ego out

1042
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: of things, Like last year, I wrote a book, and

1043
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: if I could let the book just live and not

1044
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: make the book about like how successful I am, yeah,

1045
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: I think I'd enjoy the process a lot more.

1046
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 3: You know what. I I was in a similar place

1047
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: a few years ago before the pandemic. You know. It

1048
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: was the Forbes and you know, it was negotiating with

1049
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: some people at Netflix, and like there's all kinds of

1050
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 3: stuff happening. It was all about me, right. The problem

1051
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: is I really started believing it was all true.

1052
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, belie your own hype.

1053
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: I didn't like myself, you know, and that's the reason

1054
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 3: I just went. I tapped out of everything. Thank goodness,

1055
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: the pandemic came. I was like, great, thank you. But

1056
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: I literally said this. I said to one of my

1057
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: true Jillian, the creative, to my best friend. I said,

1058
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 3: I wish I could sell the rights to Susie Pettis

1059
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 3: so that I could start living my life, and she goes,

1060
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 3: do you hear what you just said? And that's when

1061
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: I realized, whatever this character is of Susie Pettis I

1062
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: have bought there's too much weight there, right, Yeah, it's like,

1063
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: whatever that is, I don't even want it, so what

1064
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: is that? So then I've been in this four year.

1065
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 3: That's the reason I'm not out that much anymore. I'm

1066
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 3: getting ready to be I will be. But I really

1067
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 3: had to come at it from a different place because

1068
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: I started believing it.

1069
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah cool, Well this was amazing.

1070
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: None of it's true.

1071
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. None of that's true. All of it's

1072
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: made up. I think that all even.

1073
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm the greatest saying since peanut butter, and I'm

1074
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 3: the biggest piece of shit.

1075
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: It can all happen in a day. Yeah, absolutely, I'm

1076
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: telling you, Jack, I do. So we talked. I talk

1077
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: about this so much in therapy and it is a

1078
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: delight to talk about it with you. Yeah, this is great.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. We love your product,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much and the same to you

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Speaker 3: and send me send me your show. I want to

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Speaker 3: watch it.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 1: Your spirituality.

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Speaker 2: You'll have to use the pole. We enjoy it just

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Speaker 2: because it will be so like foreign to you. Maybe yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm because I know you guys and will never use

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Speaker 2: She's so so I.

1093
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Speaker 1: Can't stop thinking about that part about separating your ego

1094
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Speaker 1: from it, like how much less pressure?

1095
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Speaker 2: Jack? Do you know how much we talked about that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I talk about that. That is ego. It's

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Speaker 2: all ego. All this stuff with not just housewives but

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Speaker 1: I know, like everything becomes about how it's going to

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Speaker 2: Chasing, chasing. Yeah, well what a mindset she has.

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Speaker 1: She's really that's why she's so successful because she just

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys love that as much as we did.

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Speaker 2: Did you tell people where to buy F Major? Oh

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Speaker 1: The first time I met Jen, she had a suitcase

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Speaker 1: this was years before the Housewives. She was hustling her shoes. Yeah, okay. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope that if any of you have ideas in

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Speaker 2: You trust and go for it right, get rid of

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Speaker 2: the fear, right all right, guys, see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, that's love. Bye bye,