WEBVTT - Ep. 108: Bear Grease [Render] - Death of the Author 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:16.120 My name is Clay Nukeleman. 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.400 This is a production of the bear Grease podcast called 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.759 The bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.560 and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:33.920 podcast presented by f HF Gear, American Maid, purpose built 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:37.599 hunting and fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:38.680 as the place. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:45.040 As we explore. Welcome to the bear Grease Podcast. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.440 Everyone, take one great. 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:49.600 We have a great group of people here today. The 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:52.600 bear Grease The Bear Grease Render Podcast is what this 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.280 is where we talk about discuss the past, documentary style 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:02.160 bear Grease podcast. I was asked recently why I would 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:07.560 need to tell people that. I told the people that 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.240 people come in by the droves. 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:12.120 Yes, they do by the droves. 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.880 They come in by the droves, and so we have 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.679 to continue to tell people what they're listening to and 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.319 even more complicated now in the Beargrease Feed we have 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:22.839 Brent Reeves this country life podcast. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.920 Living Large Man. That's so much fun. Yeah. Man gets 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:30.479 some good feedback too, it's really cool. Yeah. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.920 So you've done three Yeah, you've done three episodes. So 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.560 what were the what were the episodes about? 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.080 Well, the first one was just an introduction to me 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.759 and just kind of like who I am. They would 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.560 people would have been a little more in depth in 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.920 what they would have got just listening to me ramble 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.080 on on here. And the second one, I think it 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:51.600 was about man, you tell. 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:53.360 Me, yeah, oh yeah. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.800 The second one was also a little bit about more 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.080 about me, about the stuff that I've told my buckets 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:03.840 and why maybe why I do that. And the last one, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:08.080 the most recent one that's out right now, is about 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.840 turkey hunting mentors, mentors that influenced me that growing up 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:15.560 in some lessons I learned from those folks and been 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:17.080 really good, but a lot of fun good. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.200 So a lot of you probably would have heard this 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.560 Country Life with Brent Reeves, but it's usually about twenty 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.360 minutes long. It's a monologue, it's a little bit of comedy, 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.080 a little bit of instruction, a lot of fun. 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.080 It's lighthearted, a tear every now and then, a tear 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:34.919 will stream down your cheek every now and then. 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.640 And the way that I have described it, and maybe 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.880 i've described it on this podcast before, if anybody had 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:44.240 fault with the Bear Grease podcast, they could say that 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:46.360 it's like a heavy listen like you have to work 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:46.680 at it. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.120 I remember when we first did Bear Grease. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.040 It's exhausting one. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:52.320 Of the things. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:53.800 Yeah. 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.360 One of my one of the guys, my dear friends 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.360 that media was like, I mean, it's like a pretty 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:03.280 heavy listen, like you actually have to like it's not 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.359 just easy listening music, you know, quote unquote. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:06.919 No kny here. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.840 Yeah, And I would say this country life is easy listening. 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.200 Not that it's light. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.240 You're here some whal and jail there maybe, but no. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.200 I think if if Steve Vanilla is the Julia Child. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.680 The campfire, the campfire per CBS. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.560 Britton Reeves is the Garrison Keller oh of the Wilderness podcast, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.720 Garrison Keller is Okay. 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:41.960 Keeler, Garrison Keeler. There's some pronunciation in the family. He 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.880 did a spoiler alert. He did a radio ship. He 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.640 did a radio show called. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.640 Very Yeah. 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:51.440 We're all the the Lake Wobegone. 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:52.040 Yeah. 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.160 Yeah, And so that's that's all. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.920 The women are strong, all the man are good looking, 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:56.960 and all the children. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:57.480 Are above average. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.600 Yes, well, this country life has been really great. So Brent, 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.000 thanks buddy, good job man. What did you tell the 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:10.080 guy that asked you what the next week's podcast was going? 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:10.560 To be about. 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:13.080 I told him it was a two parter. The first 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:15.640 part was none and the second part. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:16.440 Was bizz. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.120 He was he was trying to get some inside information. 0:04:21.480 --> 0:04:21.880 Mm hmm. 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:23.200 You can go to prison for that. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:24.200 Absolutely. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.320 So we don't know what the next episode is. I 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.240 know what it's about. It's gonna be good. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:28.560 Yeah. 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.200 So the guests we have today, we have Ben Lagron, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.720 who has been here several times, longtime friend of mine. Uh, 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:41.520 former history teacher h yeah, current childbirth. 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:47.679 I mean. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.120 That would be like if I said I'm a podcaster 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:51.800 and all y'all went. 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:56.080 Sometimes I just. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:57.680 Tell people I work for the internet. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:04.240 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, balanced families, yeah great. And to 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:10.919 to your left is my wife, doctor mister Nukelem, And 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:11.520 I think. 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.240 We need to clarify and nothing I care, and not 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.440 that you ever need to call me doctor mister Nukelem again. 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:19.680 But there's a lot of people on the internet right 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.159 now that think that Clay. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.600 Good Job got the PhD. 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.880 So Misty made a post the other day and what 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.680 threw it off was the picture we were at her 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.680 defense of her dissertation, and we were there with our 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:39.880 whole family, and I took like a just like a 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.919 selfie I was. I was the one holding the camera 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.360 out and so I'm up close in the family's back 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.520 a little bit. And that was the only picture we had, 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.040 and so Misty posted that and said I got my 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:52.240 I got my pH D. 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.920 I finished it, and the internet lit up. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.880 My bone lit up people like, man, it's so great, Clay. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.280 No idea that you were even working. 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.160 There's a prime example of how people look at that. Well, 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:06.440 I was. 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.719 I can't remember what Grady was in, but probably all 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.200 of them. But at least once a year a teacher 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:15.360 would give you a test that said, okay, follow these directions. 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.880 Start at the beginning, read them all the way through. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.000 You probably did this, Ben, and then do what the 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.320 directions say. Well, like fifteen to twenty minutes in, I'm working. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.040 I read about half the directions and I'm working my 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.960 behind off, but I try to look and three cours 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.080 that everybody's sitting there staring at the ceiling and looking. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.880 At the are getting up and walking out of the room. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:38.280 I'm like, golly, I got to hurry up. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:40.320 And if I just read the last line was like, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.400 do the first three problems then you can go. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:46.000 But I did. 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:50.360 Yeah, So I always I think it was a punishment 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.240 for people who were, you know, motivated and driven like 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.400 those that I always felt like the teacher was trying 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.560 to trick us, like to just say, read all the 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.800 directions first, and then it was a mistake to do 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:00.360 all the work. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:02.200 That's the reason I can't go to that Kia store. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.880 I'm not reading those directions, buddy, he can get lost. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.040 Well, we'll come back to this. I just need to 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:11.800 get through introductions here. I want to talk to you 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.520 about your your PhD and what it's in. But to 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:18.240 your left, we have coming back from He's it's been 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:21.120 a while since he's doctor Mali. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:29.000 People. Yeah, it's good to be doctors. 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:34.080 Malaka like his people only let him come here like 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.720 like twice a year and you have to get on 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.880 the schedule to get him here. 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:40.920 But it's good to have you talk about August when 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:41.760 we when we end. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:51.640 Yeah, yeah, And I'm still interested in uh a boat partner. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.760 Hey, my boys are getting older that I would I 0:07:54.800 --> 0:08:02.400 would consider it more than my son is like in 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:08.040 love with outdoors and so let's talk in November twenty 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:08.680 twenty six. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:16.160 November, all right, that's cool, that's cool, And Josh Landbridge 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.720 spilmmaker who is now a boat owner and the captain. 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.960 That's right, Captain land Bridge of the essay game. It 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.679 is a trout fishing boat specially designed for our white 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:32.880 river tail waters. Twenty one foot long, forty eight inch bottom, 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.520 seventy two inch wide beam with a jet motor on 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:38.079 the back. 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:38.760 Speed. 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:40.720 Pretty wet brand of boat. 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:40.920 Is it? 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:44.320 It is an AAF so af was a was a 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.600 brand of boats was made in Mountain Home back in 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.560 the early two late nineties, early two thousand. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.200 Is your cool trout boat? Come with that flat bill hat? 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:54.240 Nope? 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:58.280 Yeah, you just got that hat sold separately. Josh always 0:08:58.320 --> 0:08:59.040 has the coolest hat. 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.640 It does if you're jealous, it's true. 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:03.680 I gotta do something. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.600 I wear a beard because what's under the beard is 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:07.520 not that great looking, and I wear a hat just 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.080 to cover as much as possible. 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:14.120 There you go. Well, hey, very nice Josh about taking 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.839 his boat down to the big rivers of the South 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.280 for us to go catfishing. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.240 Sure, and he said, he said, of course. Really heck, yes, 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:23.440 Oh we're in Man. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.520 Hey, someone else got a boat, and that's Bear John. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:28.000 Yeah, our son got a boat. 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.600 We sometimes talk about how Bear uses my Facebook account 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.839 to purchase and sell items, and all my friends think 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:39.880 that my because he doesn't have and he's constantly like 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.240 selling machine parts. And it's kind of funny because the 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.520 boat I don't think has gone out into the water yet, 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.880 but it's been the focal point of a lot of 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.960 activity at the new con farm, including with your son Josh. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.640 Almost every other night there's a group of five or 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.080 six boys here, our young men who are working on 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:58.839 something on that boat. And we really thought it was 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:00.959 going out on the water this week and we came 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.720 home and they were supposed to have taken it out 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.439 and the boat's just hanging out there. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:06.040 That the battery was dead. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.439 Yeah, there's always a reason, and I think that they 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.600 enjoy working on I mean, it was a boat that 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.480 came without a motor. Then they had to fix the 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.280 motor that he got on Facebook marketplace. Now they've got 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.520 to charge the motor. I don't know, it's kind of kind. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:20.240 Of it's a trolling motor. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:21.280 It's just got a trolling motor. 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.079 It's a big a lot of a lot of boat activity. Male, Like, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.199 how you better get in well again, it's good buddy. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:27.680 By twenty. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.600 By twenty six, you'll be You'll be maybe you bought 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:32.959 applestock back. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:33.120 In Like. 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.240 It's like where you go the podcast. 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.840 It's like that, buddy, you better watch out because because hey, 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.119 I want to go ahead and make this public declaration. 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.720 Brent Reeves and I planned to become commercial fishermen. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.200 Oh really really, Oh it's coming. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.360 Yeah, that's happening, huh, or at least expert cat fishermen. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.600 I am an expert catfisher I'm not saying that I'm not, 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.840 but I've kind of been delayed in my development for 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.280 the last twenty years because I've been pursuing other activities. 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.840 You mean, like there's a cat, a professional cat fisherman 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:13.240 trapped inside your body. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:15.040 Yes, that hadn't been let out yet. 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.560 Well, he was out when I was in high school, 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.600 but he got put back in when I moved to 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.040 the mountains, kind of out of a big just when 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:24.719 I moved up here. 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:25.120 I don't know. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.400 There's no cat fishing up here is not as good, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.800 but big plans for me and Brent to become professional 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.800 cat fishermen. And on our maiden voyage a couple of 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:36.400 weeks ago, we caught a giant. 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:39.480 Jack gantor Yeah he was huge. Yeah, that's a twenty 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:41.920 pound feet probably was well you said. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.599 Said, you said twenty pounds. 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.760 Twenty maybe well, and I tell you very. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:52.520 And you are a doctor, could have been closer to. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.000 Hey, you somewhere between when you have a fishing buddy. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.280 I think I think there's a lot of character in 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.679 what people. The world is just witnessed that I underestimated 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:04.640 the way to that fish. Trying to be honest. 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.080 Yeah, you always say I overestimate bears about thirty percent. 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:16.920 Well that's the truth. But we're talking catfish catfish. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.800 So anyway, we're big into the boat world and are 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.000 going to continue to get bigger. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.040 We Uh, what were the other things on your on 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:25.520 your list? 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:28.160 Well, I get a lot of questions on my Instagram 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:33.280 about Banjo and whether or not we ever sold them, Okay, right, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.760 and I just mule. Yeah, I felt like it'd be good 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:40.400 to update everyone. Much like I predicted, Clay did not 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.320 sell him, despite his strong commitments to do so. Instead, 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.520 Banjo went to boarding school. 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:53.400 Yeah, so, so first of all, to give people a 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:57.600 little bit of history back, Okay, is he the best 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:01.439 mule I've got? I trained her she's seven years old. 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.160 I got her when she was eighteen months old. I 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.760 trained her in the six six week period, and I 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.240 trained her myself, and she's a finished, really nice mule 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:12.960 worth a lot. Had a guy come to my house 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.320 a few days ago and asked me what I would 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.600 sell her for, and he was a mule. 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:19.040 Trainer, and he said no amount of money. 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.000 I told him, I said, I said, you don't have 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.720 enough money to buy that mule. And I was being serious. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.079 So I'm telling you that because this is in connection. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.080 So Banjo is Izzy's full brother, and I got him 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:34.080 with the intent of training him myself. My life was 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:36.440 quite a bit different when I got Banjo in terms 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.000 of the amount of time that I could spend with 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.040 a mule, and so I kind of slow trained him. Okay, 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.440 what I did with Izzy in six weeks, I did 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:46.960 in like a year with him, which is not good. 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:49.040 It's not good practice, you know. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.400 There was just rather than riding him five days a week, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.680 I wrote him once every ten days, or maybe once 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.720 every ten days, I'd ride him three days in a row. 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.320 And I might go for a month without messing with him, 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.800 and then coming back and messed with him and so 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:04.120 last summer I. 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:06.080 Started riding him and got bucked off twice. 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.520 Okay, so he scared me, and it was my fault, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:12.480 one hundred percent of my fault. And I really felt 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.720 like this mule had a lot of potential. He was 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.480 really level headed. He was a flashy mule. And I'm 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.800 going to tell you why. It's for sure a bona 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.120 fide like stamped and approved flashy mule. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:25.880 A man that I'm gonna tell you about in a minute. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:32.520 Told me this, Brent, And so I. 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:35.240 Asked my dad asked, all, y'all, you know, I think 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.840 I'm just gonna sell him, because I you know, pretty 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.720 much a bucking mule can be like a biting dog. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.360 Like if your dog bites you, you don't really ask 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:49.040 many questions. You get rid of the dog. A mule 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:51.920 can be that way with certain people. I asked an 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.960 old muleman, Lloyd Holly, over here in Prairie Grove, and 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.200 I said, man, I got a mule. He's bucked me 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:00.160 off twice. I think it's my fault. I think he's 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.520 a good mule. And he said, get rid of that sucker, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.960 And but I just couldn't quite do it. And so 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.600 my friend, Michael Lanier. He's he was my squirrel hunting 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:14.960 mentor and a good mule man. He introduced me to 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:18.160 a guy in another part of Arkansas that is an 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.040 Amish guy mule trainer. And in the mule world the 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:27.640 Amisher legendary, the Amisher legendary for being mule trainers. And 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:31.360 so for a for a very good price, I took 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.880 Banjo over to this guy's place. And the idea was 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.960 he would keep him for thirty days for a certain price, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.240 and he would ride him thirty times, or you know, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.000 train him, train him for thirty days every day, every day. 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:51.040 And uh. And so me and my uncle go over there, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.320 and it was fascinating to me. We pull up to 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.440 this place and I thought maybe the guy might have 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.840 like two or three animals he was riding for people. 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:04.600 This is like a this is like a business man. 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.760 That he had probably twenty to twenty five horses and 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:11.280 mules in stalls, just one after the other. And he 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:13.480 and his son and his son in law and I 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.080 think another son. I think there are four of them. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.760 That I mean rode and trained those mules and horses 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:21.840 every day. It's just what they wake up and do 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:28.240 and while we're there. These people are very nice people 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:35.520 then like this, not big conversationalists necessarily, but I'm trying 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.280 to sap everything i can out of this small interaction. 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.800 When I'm dropping Banjo off at training camp, you know, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.960 and while I'm sitting there, we I tie Banjo up, 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.880 and there's all these mules and horses, and Banjo's kind 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.160 of excited and he's never been in an environment like this. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.200 He's kind of pulling up the lead rope and amped up. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:59.120 And I see two things that happen just while we're 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.560 standing there in like ten minutes that would be like 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:03.760 if that had happened to me, they had been a 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.000 big deal. I watched him put a I'm kind of 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:07.360 I'm probably boring everybody. 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.040 Uh. 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.919 I watched him put a horse on a treadmill. One 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.320 of the one of the boy the young guys brought 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.680 this horse over that you could tell had never been 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.720 ridden and was just bug eyed. And and they're trying 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.880 to get it up on this horse treadmill and that's there. 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.320 They're pulling on it. They're pulling on it and trying 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:25.040 to get it up in there. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.560 And and I'm talking to the dad and he while 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.840 in conversation to me, just walks over like never takes 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.560 eye contact off of me, and gets right behind this 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.800 horse and puts a lariat rope on one side of 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.800 the treadmill. Runs the lariot rope around the back of 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.359 this horse that's freaking out, and he's still talking to. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:45.800 Me, just like, oh yeah, we got all this stuff do. 0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:48.520 Da runs it around the back of the horse, and 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.639 through another back back of the horse, through on a 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.639 back through the treadmill, and pulls the rope so that 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:59.920 the rope cinches down and pushes the horse onto the treadmill, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.160 and he takes the tail that lariot rope and just 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:06.240 pop pops that horse and it just jumps on that treadmill, just. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:07.800 Like it was born to do it. 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:08.120 Yeah. 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:15.560 Yeah, it was a beautiful trick. I mean, this horse 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:20.359 training is all about confidence, and I mean that horse 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:23.280 knew that this guy wasn't gonna take anything. And and 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.240 and then directly after that, we're still in the same conversation, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.360 one of the young boys walks up and he's got 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:32.600 a little a young colt saddled up. And this colt, 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.960 you can tell it's just hardly ever had a saddle 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.800 on him, and he puts the saddle on him and 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.359 ties him up to a to a stall right there, 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.840 and the horse starts pulling against the lead, pulling against 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.280 it like he's he's he's not used to being tied up, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:49.879 and he starts bucking and kicking and flips over on 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.880 the ground, feet in the air, just rolling. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.520 On the ground. I mean, it's like chaos. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.679 And that that boy never batted an eye and just 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:04.280 sat there within about two feet of that horse. The 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:11.880 man never breaks conversation, like I'm like, and he lets 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.000 that horse do its thing. It flops for a minute, 0:19:14.440 --> 0:19:17.600 stands up. The boy never I mean, I'm serious. He 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.520 didn't smile, he didn't grin, he's a blood pressure didn't 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:22.520 go up. And then he takes the horse off of 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.760 the off of the unties it and walks it out. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:28.040 And he didn't ride the horse, but he just starts training. 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.320 I mean, just like every day they says, that's where 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:30.959 Banjo's up. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:34.800 So and when I when I. 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:37.399 Was leaving, the man said to me, he said, Banjo 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:42.480 be on that treadmill by the time you guys leave. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:44.600 I didn't see him put him on, but he was 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.879 just like it starts well, he's there for a month. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.280 And I talked to him and he said he's really 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.280 happy with what Banjo's doing. He says he's not bucked, 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:56.320 he's not kicked. He said he really wants to do 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.159 what they want him to do. He thinks he's got 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.159 a lot of potential. He thinks that. He told me 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.040 he needs another thirty days, so I'm going to leave 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.520 him there another thirty chiropractor. 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:12.440 And I went through the. 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.640 Whole thing with him about, you know, well what if 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:16.640 I took him? And he said, well, how much time 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.120 will you have to ride him? And I said, well, 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:20.240 I don't know, probably not that much. And he said, 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.040 well you need to leave him here, and I said deal. 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.000 And then I said, Misty, I said, what will this 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:29.240 animal be worth when he comes back from you after 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:32.240 being under saddle for sixty days? And he said, Clay, 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.240 he said, that's a pretty flashy mule. He's got white feet. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:41.720 Whoa And he literally said that. He literally said that. 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.600 And he told me that they took a mule like 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:47.840 ban Joe to a big sale the other day and 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.920 sold him for fifty five hundred dollars. And he said, 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:51.520 if I rode him for a year after I get 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.000 him back from them, he said it might be worth 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:53.800 ten grand. 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:55.480 Ten thousand dollars like. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:59.560 That, I should have sent the bucking horse of mine. 0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:07.000 Got his own PhDs, getting the PhD for those boys. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.280 Okay, that was a big story. 0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:11.240 That's a good one. That's a good one. I'm glad 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.760 to hear that. Banjo's and such. You know, I think 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.639 I envisioned it as a little bit. I envisioned it 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:24.680 a little differently. I feel like, yeah, it feels it 0:21:24.840 --> 0:21:28.119 feels a little Yeah, It's like I didn't realize Banjo 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:30.200 was in this much trouble. You know that he goes 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.600 to a place like that. But it helps me. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.600 Yeah, saying about sending some of the kids. 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:37.160 I've got a couple of names. 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.520 My question is, did the treadmill have one of those 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:44.720 screens with a trainer's face on it and. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.760 Talking to you know what they do? 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:47.560 You know what they do? 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.200 The horse is running on the treadmill and it's got 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.720 big sides on it, and they throw tarps over the mule. 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.600 They get up on the treadmill and sit on the 0:21:57.680 --> 0:22:00.360 mule while it's running on the treadmill like a mule 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:01.520 that's never been written. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.440 Just because it can't get away, can't fight it. It 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:05.960 can't fight it's gotten up. 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:07.760 An electric treadmill. 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:09.000 Yeah. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.199 Wow, yeah, it's like, what do they call that? 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:12.560 I mean, it's a. 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:17.199 And I mean and by the time they're done, I mean, 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:18.320 the meal like doesn't care. 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:19.959 He's just like, well, I guess people can get on 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:20.520 my back now. 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:25.359 So we had a a interesting two episodes of the 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:29.000 Bear Grease podcast that just came out about we called 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:30.199 our Condown series. 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:33.360 It was this all started. 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.560 Steve Varnella was actually the one who told me about 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:38.160 the book The Education of Little Tree. 0:22:38.280 --> 0:22:39.359 Have you ever heard of it before? 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:40.919 You anyone? 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:45.280 Jenica read it in junior high because she's wow, yeah, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:47.919 that's just really your wife, just like independently. 0:22:47.960 --> 0:22:50.840 It wasn't like that class. It was either junior high school. 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.359 She's a literature major, but she did it in high school. 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:54.080 Huh yeah, and that. 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.280 But then she didn't know the backstory because she's like, yeah, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:58.760 I didn't really care for that book. But when I 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.719 told her about the author, she's like, that's really fascinating. 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:04.040 So she read it. 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:05.159 Had you ever heard of it? 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:06.399 Malaccho never? 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.440 Yeah, yeah, I had never heard of it, And I 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.840 think that it was on its way to becoming a 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:15.480 book like Where the Red Fern Grows, kind of an 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:20.080 American classic adolescent book. And then all this stuff with 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.879 Asa came out and it kind of it put a 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.879 put a damper on that. It wasn't until two thousand 0:23:26.880 --> 0:23:30.600 and seven that Oprah Winfrey took off the book off 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.320 her book list. Really yeah, it was on her booklist 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.720 for years and years. Wow, originally when it first came 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:42.520 out and was people liked it even after the New 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:45.399 York Times article came out. It was a period of 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:48.640 time when people just didn't know it just just the 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:53.040 internet was hardly there in the mid nineties, It wasn't 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:55.480 It took a while for the world to kind of 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:59.600 catch up to the book, and that's when Oprah Winfrey 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:03.000 took it off. I tried to get Oprah here today. 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.440 She didn't respond to the Bear Grease invite. 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:06.840 Well, no, she didn't. 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.040 Oh, sometimes these invites come out last minute, So maybe 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:10.439 next time. 0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:11.080 I'm a little. 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:15.960 Got the phone hung up. 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:25.080 Where to start with this one? 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.320 So we have already talked about the first episode, but 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:32.960 the second episode with Asa Carter, who would like to start? 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:33.919 Who would like to start. 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:36.959 Would it be too early to jump in with some 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.920 of the just clarifying? 0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:40.240 Yeah, go ahead, all right. 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.040 I don't want to be mean to Clay, but but 0:24:42.960 --> 0:24:46.879 uh I actually, after after. 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.960 I got my head one exactly, did any. 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:56.120 Of you find the pronunciation of the kkk? I think 0:24:56.119 --> 0:24:59.040 that's where we need to start. How would you say, Brent, 0:24:59.560 --> 0:25:02.960 don't say kkk, say the full? Say the full? 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:07.399 So each one of them ku klux klan? 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:07.800 Right? 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:09.120 Anyone else say it differently? 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.560 I asked, what are you saying the clue klueklu to 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.439 doctor Malka Nichols klux clue kluks it is. 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:18.600 It's ku klux. 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.399 Close definitely ku klux klan. Yeah, it's a and once 0:25:22.640 --> 0:25:25.040 once you listen to the podcast, Clay said, he said 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:29.720 after record the podcast, he said, hey, say, he basically 0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.000 did the same thing I just did to you. And 0:25:31.040 --> 0:25:33.640 he said, say say with that, how would you say kkk? 0:25:34.000 --> 0:25:39.760 And I said ku klux clan and goes, oh, Josh, 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:40.680 you say it clue. 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:42.720 I don't say it that way. But I grew up 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.240 in my mind hearing it that way. And I think 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.560 I was a teenager before I realized. I think I 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.560 saw it in print, I was like, Oh, it's actually 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.120 ku Klux Klan, not klu. 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:54.119 Klux klu Clux clans has like something from a doctor 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.160 sus but. 0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.320 It makes sense on your tie's almost like they made 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.199 a mistake later like. 0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:05.120 Oh, I've got so. 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:09.160 That, we've got that other. I thought this was fascinating, 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:11.760 Like on so many levels. I thought this, this, this 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:16.560 podcast was fascinating as someone, you know, I think one 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:18.960 of the most fascinating parts of it is that the 0:26:18.960 --> 0:26:21.760 book is blacklisted and I haven't heard of it and 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.840 none of my students have read it. That that to 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:27.080 me when I just listening, yeah, listening to the to 0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.760 the podcast, I hadn't heard of the book, So I 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:31.719 I like to put this kind of stuff and and 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:35.119 here in like when I when I heard the different 0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:37.400 excerpts from the book and what they described it would 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.159 be the type of book that we would love to 0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.160 read at the school. But it's it's never on any 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.320 of the list, Like when you when you. 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.399 Know you look when you google blacklisted books. 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:48.640 No, well, I mean I don't google blacklisted books. That's 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:51.480 not what I'm going for. But but it's just interesting. 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:55.080 It's never on a recommended list and No, none of 0:26:55.119 --> 0:26:57.560 our over the years, none of our literature teachers have 0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.760 ever brought this up as a good book to read, 0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:02.520 a good conversation to have. I think it's fascinating that 0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.359 Jessica Reddit and they didn't have a broader conversation. 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.840 About Quite a few people reached out to me and 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:11.560 said they had read the book and didn't know the background. 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:13.520 And didn't know that, And to me, that's that's wild. 0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.720 That would be a fascinating background to discuss with high 0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:19.960 school kids, especially, I mean, I think or college studio. 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:22.000 But that brings up the biggest question in the whole 0:27:22.000 --> 0:27:25.399 thing is it doesn't matter. Does it matter Malachi? Doesn't 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:30.000 matter that he wrote a great book and that he 0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:30.640 was this guy. 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:34.840 I mean, yes and no. But I was rooting for 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:38.480 him in a sense of like to hope that he 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:41.879 changed at the end, you know, because I think just 0:27:41.960 --> 0:27:46.360 looking at people would like it's hard to change when 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:49.240 you get older, right, And to see a guy potentially, 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.320 see a guy who was so distraught with the world 0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:57.920 and so you know, racist that potentially he would change 0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.840 and you would see you were you were thinking it 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.240 was you know, he changed, and so yeah, and he 0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:09.440 like produced this great work that was always in him, right, 0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.640 So from that perspective, I think I was rooting for him. 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.000 I mean, I think it. It doesn't take. 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:18.359 Away the fact that it's a great book, but I 0:28:18.400 --> 0:28:22.040 do think you have to I do think it requires 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:26.159 a read and then a discussion right about the author 0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.720 because I can't remember if it was in the first 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:33.719 or second episode. You the first or second episode you 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:36.320 kind of asked like, would you read this to your kids? 0:28:36.760 --> 0:28:36.920 Right? 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.360 And I think to me, I think I would when 0:28:39.400 --> 0:28:44.680 they're older, to have that conversation about like, can people 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:46.680 who do bad stuff produce good things? 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:47.240 Right? 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:51.080 That's a I mean, that's a deep question, especially regarding race, 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:54.400 that you yourself have to be resolved in to have. 0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:58.200 I think it's a great conversation to have with kids 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:02.200 who will be faced with, you know, people whose values 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.640 are or the way they live their life is different 0:29:04.640 --> 0:29:08.080 than you. They that they might produce something that's good, 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.720 and do you value that or do you shun it 0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.680 away just because or their history. I don't have the 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:17.520 right answer right now, but I mean I think it's 0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.760 a great it's a great exercise to have, and it 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.960 puts you in an uncomfortable position right, I think at. 0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:25.160 The end of God was crazy. 0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:31.000 Yeah, well the the hard part or not the hard part. 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:34.160 But the question then becomes to what level of scrutiny 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:39.640 do we scrutinize everything? Because it's like, I can pick 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:43.120 up this book right here, Well, pick up a book 0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:44.240 and name the author. 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:46.280 Is that author perfect? 0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:47.360 You know? 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.360 Did the author the Bible? 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:50.960 Then yes? 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.800 I mean so, then then that means there's a gradient 0:29:56.880 --> 0:30:02.080 scale because ASA's life was so radical and. 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:04.080 The the. 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.840 The sentiment so egregious that we can say, well, for 0:30:07.000 --> 0:30:10.440 sure it matters with this guy because of how egregious 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.880 it was. But then the guy that you know cheated 0:30:14.920 --> 0:30:18.560 on his wife. You know, maybe it's not that big 0:30:18.600 --> 0:30:20.719 a deal. I mean, and I guess it's all And 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.000 that's just an example of something scandal. 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:24.880 I think what makes this a little bit different is 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:31.120 that he stated it was semi autobiographical. He lied love, Yeah, 0:30:31.240 --> 0:30:33.400 he just I mean, but it's it is an important 0:30:33.400 --> 0:30:36.360 one when you I think, it wouldn't matter to me 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.600 if he just said this was a nonfiction book, all right, 0:30:38.600 --> 0:30:40.280 this is a fiction book. Like if he just said 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.600 this is the novel that kind of I made up, 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:44.959 then that wouldn't be very important. But the fact that 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.160 he said this was like his life story, that makes 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.719 it that that is puzzling, and it makes you have 0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:55.240 to kind of jump to Okay, this guy was crazy. Yeah, 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.160 And maybe that doesn't matter, maybe that doesn't make the 0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.000 book less good. But poor guy, he was really great. 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:01.240 Yeah. 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:05.160 Yeah, I think the value of it starts at page 0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:07.400 one and ends at the last page in that book, 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:09.600 and you don't take it any further than that. 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.560 He So you're a big death of the author guy. 0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.959 If the end of that is the end of his 0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:20.360 I'm trying to think out of how to phrase it. 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:25.040 His participation in that to me stopped when at the 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.480 last period, in the last page of that book. And 0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:32.440 I if I I owe that guy, if I read 0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:35.360 that book and enjoy it, thank you for writing a book. 0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:39.200 Nothing else matters to me as far as he's concerned, 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.200 long as he's not affected me or my friends or 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:46.560 my family or something like that, which brings up another question. 0:31:47.120 --> 0:31:49.920 Does that, you know, if that book is successful like 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:55.440 it was, does that adversely affect me or my family 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.840 or my friends. You know, I don't. It'd be hard 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.600 to correlate all that together. But as far as him 0:32:01.680 --> 0:32:03.880 as a human being, Would I sit down have a 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:04.880 cup of coffee with him? 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:05.160 Now? 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.200 Would Could I read his book and enjoy it and 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.160 end it with just that participation in that piece of 0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.000 his life that he wrote down on a piece of paper. Yeah, 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:20.360 I can enjoy that, But the rest of it is 0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.200 immaterial to me the way I. 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:22.640 Look at it. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.280 Yeah, I don't want to be real chatty Kathy here 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.880 at the same time, though, does it? You know he 0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:33.959 his life's message was a massive injustice to a lot 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:34.440 of people. 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.280 Well was for sure? 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:37.920 Yeah, yeah, Carter was. 0:32:38.720 --> 0:32:40.760 We're just kind of acknowledging this guy was like two 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:41.840 different people, and. 0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:43.200 I think he was skitzo. 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.360 Yeah, that's what at the end, I thought that of 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:49.160 the theories, that was probably the best. This guy is crazy, 0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:51.480 he's not, he's not well because it. 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:52.480 Wasn't just it wasn't. 0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:56.240 I was just gonna say, it wasn't just a pen name, right, 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:58.320 I think that's what I can Yeah, it wasn't just 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.840 a pen name. Like he picked up and moved as life. Yeah, 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:07.320 like talk to Barbara Walters. I mean that's like some 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:10.760 magician type of stuff, you know, like to live that 0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:13.680 type of life. You know, you gotta be drinking something 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:14.200 in your tea. 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.920 You know, there's no I tried to get the audio 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.520 from his interview with Barbara Walters and it couldn't find it. 0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:20.320 It doesn't exist. 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.240 She I didn't hear you say this on the recording, 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:24.120 But didn't she say? 0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:24.600 That was. 0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:27.160 So so Dan T. 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.840 Carter, he he told me that back in the seventies, 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:35.040 the Today Show was so it was one of the 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.600 best shows, the most watched shows in America. 0:33:37.840 --> 0:33:39.360 But they were still using. 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:43.640 Tape tape and literally would tape over the stuff they did, 0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:48.000 oh a week before, just like saving tape, you know, 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.720 saving money, And so there were no there's no archival 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:56.959 footage of that interview, but they said that that he 0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.480 he wore his cowboy hat and he like had his 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.880 head down all the time, and he was kind of 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.320 like when you look back at it now, an expert 0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.640 would be like, yeah, that guy's probably lying, But at 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.560 the time, it just wasn't It wasn't seen. 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:12.719 Didn't she say? She regretted that. 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.279 I want to say that She said that was one 0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:19.600 of the bigger regrets of her her professional career, because 0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:24.080 perhaps she wasn't ever duped like that. Before everybody she 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:26.200 sat down with. You know, they may have lied to her, 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.520 but at least they were who they said they were. 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.759 And so, yeah, the guy was That's what was interesting 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:38.239 to me, just for no good reason. But the guy 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:43.960 was was just he was super smart and was an 0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:48.239 actor and could tie stories together. I mean, he was 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.200 kind of and I don't want to use the word 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.040 brilliant because it sounds like you're like you liked the guy, 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:55.759 but he was. 0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:58.200 He was cunning and crafty. 0:34:58.360 --> 0:35:00.759 Yeah, goly he was he ever, Ben, what were you 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:01.239 gonna say? 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.799 Well, a couple of times. The first almost like a technicality. 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:06.799 And this is kind of hinted in the podcast that 0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:13.120 him having some apparently subconscious things that he respected about 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:17.320 Cherokee culture stuff like that, that's not as like contradictory 0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:23.239 to his like worldview as people might think. Because he 0:35:23.280 --> 0:35:26.240 didn't write a book about a slave narrative and pretend 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.680 that he was African American, like I don't think he was. 0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.359 He could consciously do that, consciously do that, but says 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:39.880 it's a technicality. It's like sometimes people view like racists 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:44.040 as just like this black or white thing, and and 0:35:44.200 --> 0:35:47.120 and actually I think that's actually one of the fact 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.920 that people are more complex than that, to me is 0:35:49.960 --> 0:35:55.520 actually the danger and how you might how you interact 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.880 with people that do have some pretty messed up worldview. 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:01.240 For instance, like people that I look at in my 0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:03.920 my childhood that I kind of respected and knew, and 0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:07.360 I look back, like, it's not like I just reject 0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.919 wholesale everything about their their character, because but I look 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:14.120 back and I see how messed up their views were 0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.719 on race, and I learned from that. And my point 0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:21.320 is like people are complex, and you can, I think 0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:24.920 you can, in one hand like condemn something, on the 0:36:25.000 --> 0:36:25.839 other hand be like. 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:26.840 Wow, that's interesting. 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:30.200 But I think after studying history for so many years, 0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:34.680 I still baffled why we we as in like society 0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:39.719 want to like venerate people or just like condemn every 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.840 part of them. Or why why do people get so 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:47.000 infatuated with talented writers and musicians, Like who said anybody 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:48.759 has to like this guy just because he's a good writer, 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.480 because obviously's a good writer. Same thing with musicians, Like 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.000 I'll start watching a documentary about some musician that I 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.280 like their music, and I'm halfway into I'm. 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:58.600 Like, I kind of can't stand this. 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.000 I would not hang out with them, Like I like 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:04.400 their music, but I don't like anything about them as 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:04.800 a person. 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:07.040 But it's just weird in. 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.120 Us how we try to put people on a pedestal 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.840 just because they're talented. And you see that in history, 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.839 starting with George Washington, who was as human as all 0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.200 of us. He's got like this godlike status in our 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.480 culture because people don't really know about his entire life. 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.120 And when you study history, there's so much to take in. 0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:31.080 You kind of are taught to categorize things pretty quickly 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.680 so you can just understand it quicker. And it's like, 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.160 these are the social causes, these are the political causes, 0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:40.200 these are the economic causes, and these were the good guys. 0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.759 These were the bad guys, and that's just who they were. 0:37:42.800 --> 0:37:46.200 But when you really dive into history, read biographies and stuff, 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:50.000 you learn how complex people are. And sometimes you find 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.000 people are actually pretty crazy at the end of it, 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.239 and that might have been part of the driver of 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:59.799 their just like massive output of productivity or whatever they were, 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.680 and whether it's politics or art or whatever. 0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:03.400 But people are complex. 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.360 M that's good. 0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.040 I think the what you said about musicians like if 0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.799 We and Malaca, I'm not arguing with you. I'm the 0:38:11.840 --> 0:38:14.359 same way. I think I agree with what you said 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.440 at the beginning, Like it does matter what the author 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:19.280 believed and did with his life. 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:20.960 It's important, it's not irrelevant. 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:25.480 But at the same time, yeah, how many musicians do 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:32.440 I like their music but would really be deeply, deeply 0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.839 opposed to the values and lifestyle that they live, Like, yeah, 0:38:35.880 --> 0:38:36.640 a lot. 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:39.640 But I still would listen to their music and enjoy it. 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:41.319 And I think about that. You could apply it to 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.680 like politics. There's a lot of politicians whose lifestyles do 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.920 not match their voting patterns, and so a lot of 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:49.920 people would vote for them because they like the way 0:38:49.920 --> 0:38:52.040 they vote, but then they find out how they live 0:38:52.080 --> 0:38:56.600 and it's like, oh, yuh, that's different. Actually the opposite 0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.480 of what you say, and which one matters how they've vote, 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:02.399 you know, and how much that aligns to how you 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:05.239 would want to be represented in your government, in a 0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:11.640 representative government for the exactly These are complex, difficult questions Langbridge. 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.319 You know, it's interesting I actually had some of the 0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:20.000 same thoughts about about musicians and celebrities. I mean, I 0:39:20.800 --> 0:39:25.759 struggle sometimes, like with professional athletes, It's like that are venerated. 0:39:25.840 --> 0:39:28.560 Yeah, but really they're just absolutely dirt balls. 0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.120 You know, and because they have a skill, and at 0:39:32.120 --> 0:39:34.360 the same time, you can enjoy watching them play or 0:39:34.400 --> 0:39:35.839 you can enjoy listening to their music. 0:39:37.160 --> 0:39:39.360 When there's a sports game on, I only watch the 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:46.880 good guys. Anyone that doesn't have my exact value system. 0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.600 I blank them out in my mind as they play football. 0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:54.000 But I think I would lean more towards the death 0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:57.520 of the author philosophy that I think that that you 0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.920 you know, I think you can. I think it also 0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:04.799 depends on your your worldview and perspective, because I think 0:40:04.880 --> 0:40:07.960 there there is there are people who are very critical 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.560 of everything that they see and hear, and you know, 0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:13.080 I remember when I was a kid, we boycotted everything 0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:16.880 because you know, and until I got older and realized, like, 0:40:17.480 --> 0:40:19.560 there there is stuff in the world that that is 0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.759 not going to align with my values. However, you know, 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.319 Scripture talks about being in the world and not of 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:29.160 the world, and so we have the opportunity to maneuver 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.640 those things and still maintain the standards that we have. 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:35.440 I can read this book and not violate my conscience, 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:38.240 or I can and enjoy it. However, do I agree 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.440 with with Asa Carter. Absolutely not, you know what I mean. 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:45.200 The man was a kook. But I think I think 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.879 if you're if your perspective is right, you can read 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.239 that book and you can identify things inside of it 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:53.560 that are a beautiful because I think you know the 0:40:53.560 --> 0:40:56.160 pros that you read in in the in the I've 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.680 never read the book, but that you read the excerpts 0:40:58.719 --> 0:41:01.920 of on the podcas Has it was so beautifully written 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:04.920 and then paints a picture in your mind. But at 0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:07.960 the same time, you know, we can we can also, 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.440 you know, I think we have the ability to, you know, 0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:13.120 if you have a critical mind and ability to read 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:17.040 that stuff. You know, can someone who has such a 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:21.000 strong philosophy about certain things right in right like that 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:27.120 and not they're not be subversive or or seditious things 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:30.480 going on behind there even consciously or subconsciously that they 0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:31.200 put in there. 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:31.960 Who knows. 0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.960 But I do appreciate it, and I think you can 0:41:35.080 --> 0:41:36.800 read it, you know what I mean. I think probably 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:38.960 thousands of people when Oprah put it on our list, 0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.239 I'm sure thousands and thousands of people read it and 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:44.560 liked it and you know, didn't become racist. 0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:46.880 This guy must be a right. 0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:49.239 I think I'm one of those people that, like when 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:51.920 you're watching a movie and if it, if it really 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.160 impacts me, I go and research like the people who 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.640 wrote it and who made it. And so, first of all, 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.359 I think I would not have been due just had 0:41:58.400 --> 0:42:00.560 I known this book existed. I think I would researched 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:06.760 this guy. I think I was. It's true, Yeah, it's true, 0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.080 But I think, you know, for me, like I do 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.200 get really connected to who and I don't abstain from 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.719 watching them in sports, but I actually care a lot 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.879 about that the people behind the behind all these things, 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.759 and that matters a whole lot to me, mainly just 0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:26.200 because I'm I'm curious, you know, and I'm interested in 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:28.759 the person behind such a brilliant story. So I think 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:31.719 for someone like me, this is like what this guy 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.760 just totally lied and is completely different than. 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:40.759 I meant you beyond. Would it affected you so much 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:42.600 that you wouldn't have enjoyed the story? 0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:44.239 Well, I don't know that if I wouldn't have enjoyed 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:46.759 the story, but it certainly changes when you when you 0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:49.080 read it. I thought it was really interesting when he 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.719 actually interviewed the Native American people and they say, well, 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.960 this is accurate, but this part over here is yeah, 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:56.920 we would have never And it was like, okay, so 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:59.279 he's kind of just writing like a Southern guy who 0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:00.279 has observe. 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:03.959 I kind of thought that was a little nitpicky, though, 0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:09.560 really well, kind of like Steve said, he said, nobody 0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:13.359 had problems with this book at all until we found 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:15.719 out who the author was. You know, Steve said, go 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.719 back to the seventies and see if any anybody was 0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:19.919 saying that it was bad. 0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.480 Did they have any Native Americans interviewed in this episode 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:23.520 about what they thought about it? 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:27.880 That I don't really know, but I know that the 0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:32.080 world and this wasn't coming from the Native American community. 0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:35.120 Perhaps they had a response and I'm unaware of it, 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.799 but you know, the world was venerating him as one 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.560 of the greatest Native American writers in history. 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:45.680 Pretty crazy, and so I mean, you know they weren't. 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.319 I don't and I don't know have they ever heard 0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:56.719 of takumsaaaa. I had a guy stop me the other 0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:12.920 day and say, Clay's thought, Oh. 0:44:11.400 --> 0:44:11.879 What do you got? 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.600 This is a this is a technical media question. What 0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.560 do you guys think about me reading excerpts from books? 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:18.719 Like when you're listening to that. 0:44:19.360 --> 0:44:22.480 Like do you go, oh gosh, I feel more connected 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:24.600 to it, Okay, And I can say i've kind of 0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:26.719 I can say I haven't read the book, but I 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:28.160 listen to an audio book because I. 0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:31.560 Did a little snippet just on yeah with just Meet. 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.920 People say you ever read that, Like, yeah, audiobook? 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:35.160 You know. 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:38.640 Sometimes I just you know, when I'm making these podcasts, 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:41.000 I'm just trying to find a way to tell the story. 0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:44.040 And part of this was convincing people who hadn't read 0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:46.120 the book that it was a good book. I mean, 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:47.759 that was what I was trying to do, because I 0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:48.960 believed it was a good book. 0:44:49.160 --> 0:44:52.640 What I found interesting was it was the whole thing 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:55.600 about making money. It was almost like, I mean, he 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:58.400 obviously never admitted that he thought he was wrong, but 0:44:58.400 --> 0:45:01.320 he eventually kind of gave up his almost like lost 0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.360 the lost this war that I've devoted my life to. 0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:04.680 I'm just gonna go make some money. 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.960 I didn't find that very shocking, Like it's like that 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.160 kind of makes sense. I think the most shocking thing 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.720 is the extent he went to to sell a book 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:17.879 to like literally con America, and it was it's It's 0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:23.240 pretty twisted, but also kind of hilarious. When Elon Musk 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.719 took over Twitter and they're like this, everybody thought he 0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:27.799 was going to fire everybody. And these two random young 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:30.400 guys got boxes and they started walking down the street 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:32.640 near the office and fold all these journalists and just 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:36.560 saying they got fired. They started tweeting and writing about 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.480 all these firings, and they were just totally made it up. 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.920 Something's entertaining about somebody that cons others like that, you know. 0:45:42.920 --> 0:45:44.160 What I have to say, And. 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:49.440 Maybe this is a character flaw, but I assumed that 0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:51.400 that if I pick up a book and it says 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.680 based on a true story or something like that, that's 0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:57.600 a lie. That if I see a movie is based 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:01.279 on a true story, they they made that crap up, you. 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.000 Know, based on Oh man, you should see. 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:04.600 I mean, when I went to a movie based on 0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:09.840 a true story, I basically have checking everything. 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.840 I mean, who's to say that an autobiography is completely true? 0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:15.640 I mean, it's my story. 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:22.879 I tell like, I won't exactly that's this country life, 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:24.920 New York City. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.080 You know, something this made me think about is mine. 0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:30.839 And there's been several stories like this have come out 0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:33.320 in the news in the last like five or ten years. 0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.160 But at our daughter's school, there was a woman who 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.759 was like named to all these Latin Latin like community 0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:44.359 service leadership positions and really worked for the on the 0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:49.080 for the welfare of Latino people. And she of course 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:52.040 claimed to have been raised in a Latin community in 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.280 like you know, some some urban area. And it turned 0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.400 out she is not at all Latin. There's none of 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:01.120 that that and she got fund out, she got fired, 0:47:01.400 --> 0:47:03.799 and they wrote a letter, an apology letter to all 0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:05.440 the students and to me as a parent, I got 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.800 this letter. You know, you're disturbed by this, and it 0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:11.920 was like, this woman's been working for decades inside of 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:14.840 this this community under and some I don't even know 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.840 how they they figured it out, but it's kind of 0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:20.400 the same, the same thing, except for in her case 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:23.440 she was actually she's doing good for that community. 0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:23.719 Wow. 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.359 And it's it's like that's pretty messed up though, I mean, 0:47:27.440 --> 0:47:30.400 living living a total lie and iron. 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.399 Azed Cody, what's the het? 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:38.480 Remember that guy the Native American and Eric quotes they're 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:40.320 standing on the side of the road and somebody drives 0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:42.279 behind and throws with McDonald's sack out in his feet, 0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:46.080 and he's dressed in full Native American regalia, and he 0:47:46.239 --> 0:47:48.239 turns and looks towards the Cameron. 0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:51.520 Was from sicily. 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:56.279 Being rocked right now. 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.880 I told you, are you going to start lettering now? 0:48:00.320 --> 0:48:04.040 He yes, because you've been fooled. Hey, what did you 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:09.960 guys think about the Were you surprised Malaca? 0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:10.600 Let me ask you. 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:14.000 Were you surprised when you heard the innered the inner 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:21.279 workings of how the white supremacists were saying that the 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:25.160 civil rights movement was the communists being fed by the Jews? 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:27.439 Did you know that really? 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.400 Yeah? That in school? Okay, Yeah. 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:32.879 I think it goes back to what Ben said. It's 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:37.320 I mean, this stuff is complex, you know the issues 0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:41.000 of race and south. It's really complex. And there's no 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:44.359 there's no black and white. I think human beings wanted 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:48.200 to be black and white, yes or no, and it's 0:48:48.400 --> 0:48:50.600 it's just not It's just not so. And I think 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:54.439 also one thing that I was just thinking about Aesa 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.680 and just his life. I think everybody comes to a 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:01.000 position of like making a choice. I think he probably 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:05.680 had a choice of of like wanting things deeper, or 0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:09.440 like turning his life around or trying to produce books 0:49:09.480 --> 0:49:13.480 and just like letting the KKK life go. And I 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.440 think he just made a choice to not do it. 0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:17.800 I think towards the end of his life he probably 0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.280 looked back, he was got to mix in he's crazy 0:49:20.320 --> 0:49:23.040 and stuff like that. Looked back and thought, man, like 0:49:23.400 --> 0:49:26.239 I wasted my time, right, did this radio show and 0:49:26.280 --> 0:49:31.120 got kicked out right. I supported, you know, Governor Wallace, 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.840 and then ran against him and lost. Right, Like his 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:37.080 life is just a bunch of trying and trying and 0:49:37.120 --> 0:49:40.800 trying and failing. And then he just thought, man, maybe 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.280 I should put my life towards something and he produced 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.520 this like great book. So, I don't know, very interesting. 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:46.759 Man. 0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:50.000 It was cool that he told that story. Somebody it 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.279 was in the navy with him. He said they'd heard 0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:54.799 that story when he was young. Yeah, before he did 0:49:54.840 --> 0:49:55.520 all that other shit. 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.000 He was eighteen years old. Yeah, he told that story. 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:00.000 He told so that's been an him for a while. 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:01.880 And it goes back to that thing I said on 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.680 the last render, I think people are inherently good, because 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:09.000 that's the only place a story like that comes from. 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.480 And he just chose to be terrible person. 0:50:13.160 --> 0:50:13.640 Mm hmmm. 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:15.960 I think that was I think everybody. 0:50:16.120 --> 0:50:19.520 I mean obviously that I say, obviously I'm not a 0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:21.160 doctor like most of the folks in here. 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:32.799 Yeah, captain, captain, But I mean. 0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:39.960 It would seem that the guy had some kind of 0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.920 mental problems, but outside of that, he could have been 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:46.239 a good guy, because that that story has got to 0:50:46.239 --> 0:50:47.280 come from a good place. 0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:52.920 To me, I've got a theory on gifting and and 0:50:52.920 --> 0:50:54.640 and it's based on a lot of a lot of 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.520 different things. But I feel like sometimes people who are 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:01.040 like extremely good at stuff, and you know, they talked 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.920 about every single good speech are all the It was 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:06.759 clear he was an excellent writer. He was excellent. And 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:10.440 sometimes I feel like there's you're kind of teetering with 0:51:10.520 --> 0:51:15.400 like this balance in life between normal and gifting, and 0:51:16.080 --> 0:51:19.160 like the more the more gifted you are, and the 0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.560 more you go into that space and the more you 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:26.640 perfect your craft, the less stable you become as a 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:29.839 human being. That's kind of a pessimistic worldview, but that's 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:31.760 been my experience. 0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:33.719 What you're saying. 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.640 I mean, it made me think about as Carter made 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:40.400 me think about Bill Gates. And there's a documentary documentary 0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.920 about Bill Gates and his wife is talking about Bill 0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:48.879 and how Bill is extremely smart, extremely smart, but Bill 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:52.279 is not connected to his emotions right, connected to how 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:54.560 he feels. And I think it kind of connects with 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:57.520 what Misty says, like you can put so much energy 0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:01.160 in perfecting your craft and do these things with gifting, 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:04.040 that you lose a sense of humanity, right, you lose 0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:10.360 a sense of connection and normalcy and enjoyment and you know, 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:14.000 valuing people that you kind of you get warped. And 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:17.279 I think you mix that with like you know, the 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:20.480 deep racist, the deep. There was a there was a 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:24.000 story in there where he talked about he got removed 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.319 or he felled out of a class, and like that 0:52:26.440 --> 0:52:30.120 immediately he got resentful. So that like you mix all 0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:31.680 of that, like the system. 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.600 Being against you and you feel like this isn't fair 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:36.040 and it kind of twisted. 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:39.759 You and it's not be my fault. Yeah, yeah, I 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.680 gotta blame somebody looking for an enemy. 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:44.040 I think working with with kids a lot, you see 0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:46.120 parents come in when kids are really young and they 0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:49.640 want you to perceive their kids as gifted and really unique, 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:52.400 and it's like, I think you should really be shooting 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.840 for average here. There's a lot of value and having 0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:59.680 an average kid. There's a lot of I'm joking, but 0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:01.320 I'm also dead. 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:04.480 Seriously, and it's it's something that we've done with our kids. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:09.000 I think is that we've gifting is being gifted at something. 0:53:10.400 --> 0:53:12.640 It doesn't it Almos's almost like it doesn't come by 0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:16.720 merit in a way. And so there's things that you 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:20.560 we we have honored character over gifting with our kids. 0:53:20.600 --> 0:53:23.400 That's the most simple way to say it. Because gifting 0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:26.319 will take care of itself. There's certain things that your 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:28.200 kids you are going to be able to do that 0:53:28.239 --> 0:53:29.759 nobody else can do that you. 0:53:29.719 --> 0:53:30.319 Didn't work for. 0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.000 You just kind of got it. Yeah, you know, like 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:36.200 Brent and his beard and overalls and. 0:53:38.760 --> 0:53:41.960 By the way, so you just see what I'm saying. 0:53:42.120 --> 0:53:44.080 Yeah, and if you put too much of an emphasis 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:45.080 on that, and if. 0:53:44.960 --> 0:53:47.120 You go emphasis on the gifting, it will kind of 0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:47.760 pollute them. 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.200 Yeah, And I think that there's a lot to be 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:54.680 said for restraint just saying hey, I can go to 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:57.040 like real extreme places with this thing. And you you 0:53:57.440 --> 0:53:59.520 see this a lot with artists with and they. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.040 Get weird artist musicians, Yeah, they just say it's like. 0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:07.520 But you you you see this a lot with artists 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:10.480 where they just go down these extreme tunnels, they take 0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:13.279 on different identities, they become different people, and it's like, 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:15.680 I bet it'd be good for the world if you 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.400 were just like pretty darn good at your art and 0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:19.600 a really good person. 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.440 Let me ask you, guys, something, do you I had 0:54:22.440 --> 0:54:25.360 a lot of people comment to me that they they 0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:31.160 were maybe not surprised, but they that's what they said, 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:35.680 that we could tackle this kind of issue on this platform. 0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:38.000 What do y'all think? You are just kind of like, well, 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:39.440 of course we're going to talk about this. What do 0:54:39.440 --> 0:54:40.959 you think, Malca? 0:54:42.280 --> 0:54:45.719 I mean, I wouldn't say surprised. I think it needs 0:54:45.760 --> 0:54:48.000 to be like when I when I think about like 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:51.480 the Bear Grease podcast, I think about like taking you 0:54:51.560 --> 0:54:54.359 to the wild, and it's uncomfortable, right, and I think 0:54:54.400 --> 0:54:59.200 it's okay to navigate and the things that are uncomfortable, 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.319 And I just think race in the South and you know, 0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:07.200 hunting and Indians and you know, everything that's included. It's uncomfortable. 0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:09.839 It's not as black and white. Yeah, and you know 0:55:10.520 --> 0:55:14.360 you navigated with with wisdom, but I think you do 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:15.319 got to talk about it. 0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:18.120 Yeah, It's all just really interesting to me. I had, 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.760 I had one negative review. 0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:21.640 One star. 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.520 Yeah yeah, he said, I love the podcast, I love 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:26.680 all you guys, but this has nothing to do with hunting. 0:55:26.719 --> 0:55:29.000 This is an outdoor podcast. This is a waste of time. 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:31.400 He just Lambassis like saying like, why are you even 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:34.200 talking about it? And I don't take much. I mean, 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.760 this is not we never said it was a hunting podcast. 0:55:38.120 --> 0:55:42.320 I mean, honestly, if I'm interested in it and there's 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.800 any connection to the natural world and this book, the 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:50.800 Education of Little Tree, was the gateway into into this story, 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:56.879 you know, and I appreciate that that we can talk 0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.719 about this stuff. Yeah, not be not be afraid of it, 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:03.040 saying that, let's close on this one. 0:56:03.239 --> 0:56:06.560 What do you think about me reading the Unibar Manifesto. 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:11.000 We talk about this, but that feels a little bit. 0:56:11.080 --> 0:56:12.839 Like, No. 0:56:13.840 --> 0:56:17.120 Brunella is the one who who had to read the 0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:20.840 Unibarber Manifesto in the same class that he read The 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:25.560 Education of Little Tree. And so the Unibomber Manifesto was 0:56:25.640 --> 0:56:28.480 in the New York Times and the Washington Post in 0:56:28.560 --> 0:56:30.960 nineteen ninety five. So it's not like it's not like 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:36.799 this is bank contraband material. This literally was published in 0:56:36.880 --> 0:56:42.120 these places, and it didn't take me long to find 0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:44.759 that section. And I wasn't looking for that section. I 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.160 was just looking for a section that I could pull 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:50.560 out that would have some relevance and a whole lot 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:53.480 of what he said, a whole lot of humans in 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:54.480 America would agree with. 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.320 Well, that's how all those kind of people get followers, exactly, 0:56:58.360 --> 0:57:02.120 looking for somebody there, looking to identify with somebody, and 0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:06.839 if they're an orator, like to comfort or whatever high 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:09.879 we can. Yeah, however we decided to say it. That's 0:57:09.880 --> 0:57:11.680 how he got this folks following him. He was able 0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:14.279 to get his message out. Oh, identify with that guy. 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.280 I'm going to start following him. Let's go do some 0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:19.800 stuff together. Burn a barn. 0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:20.600 Uh. 0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:23.720 Well, okay, I guess it's all right. And then it 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:25.960 just magnifies them there. But that's how they get those 0:57:26.000 --> 0:57:27.120 folks to follow them. 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:31.960 Yeah, it's almost like extremism is about the application and 0:57:32.000 --> 0:57:33.680 the solution to the problem. 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:37.240 But they start out talking about the problem. 0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:39.360 That a lot of people might agree with, and then 0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:41.120 they just get more and more extreme. 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.320 Yeah. Yeah, it goes back to that thing. 0:57:44.480 --> 0:57:48.360 Everybody always, regardless of what the issue is, somebody all 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:52.120 do something about that. Well, finally some guy says, I'll 0:57:52.120 --> 0:57:54.080 tell you what, I'll do something about it if you'll 0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:57.720 go with me. Well, I don't know, joshould be like, 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:03.600 I gotta ask my wife safe. 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.240 Well it was, uh. 0:58:07.880 --> 0:58:11.800 It My point in reading that was to show I 0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:14.840 was qualifying what Steve said when he said he would 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:17.160 have believed that if the Unibomber had wrote The Education 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:17.760 of Little Tree. 0:58:17.880 --> 0:58:19.280 I was qualifying that statement. 0:58:19.600 --> 0:58:22.080 But the point that I the thing that I also 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:27.600 saw was that a lot of times being crazy comes 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:32.400 with a lot of can come with some reasonable ideas, 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:36.200 can come you know it can it could come cloaked 0:58:36.200 --> 0:58:40.360 in something that seems seems insightful, seems like well yeah, 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:46.120 and uh and obviously the UNI Bomber was a bad dude, clearly, 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:50.720 But there's a whole lot of that manifesto that's really interesting. 0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:56.520 But yeah, Well, any closing thoughts, what was it? 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:58.880 What was the most shocking part of the thing or 0:58:59.040 --> 0:59:02.160 your favorite part of the something that really stood out 0:59:02.160 --> 0:59:02.360 to you. 0:59:03.360 --> 0:59:07.360 My favorite part was the church story and that guy 0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.200 about you know him fighting for everything. I think that 0:59:10.240 --> 0:59:12.600 was in the first one coon Jack and Coon Jack. 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:15.560 I got the difference right here under my under my shirt. 0:59:15.680 --> 0:59:15.880 Yeah. 0:59:18.480 --> 0:59:21.760 Yeah, wasn't that good. That's that's good writing. I mean, 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:24.480 surely he just made that up, like I don't think 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:25.160 that happened. 0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.480 It kind of reminded me a little a little bit 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:29.200 of Jerry Klower. 0:59:30.520 --> 0:59:31.760 What's his name, Jerry Klower? 0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:34.720 Jerry Klower? That story about the guy. Do you remember 0:59:34.880 --> 0:59:36.880 when you did the podcast on him? Any the story 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:39.920 about the it actually sounds a lot like stuff that 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:44.120 does happen in small, small churches. I mean, he really does. 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:48.760 When I read, I thought, man, he saw that happen. Yeah, 0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.360 the chandelier story running Jerry Clower chandel. 0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:54.760 The circumstances around his death were pretty fascinating. 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:57.720 Yeah, and we didn't we didn't get into it. 0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:58.200 Well that was a. 0:59:58.200 --> 1:00:00.640 Cliff Yeah, yeah, I felt. 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:04.480 So you can get you can read the book Unmasking 1:00:04.480 --> 1:00:08.520 the Clans and my Dante Carter and I actually I 1:00:08.560 --> 1:00:12.240 did that interview before the book came out. Okay, Yeah, 1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.920 so the detail and and and I had to respect 1:00:15.000 --> 1:00:19.120 Dan and I understood he just get he laid out everything, 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:22.840 you know, he hid nothing, and he wrote this book 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:24.840 and he's the world's expert in ASA Carter, and so 1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:26.360 when he didn't want to tell me how he died, 1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:28.840 I respected that and I didn't go like look it up. 1:00:29.440 --> 1:00:30.840 So we don't really know how he died. 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:32.400 So can you tell us here? 1:00:32.440 --> 1:00:33.560 We'll keep it a secret. 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:37.920 I still don't know. The book came out in April, 1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:39.000 like it's barely out. 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:41.280 So we can all go. Look, I think we should 1:00:41.320 --> 1:00:43.080 respect we should respect him. 1:00:43.320 --> 1:00:43.840 Yeah, I'll go. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:48.360 I'm I'm super curious, especially because he kept calling it biblical. 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:51.959 Yeah. 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:57.480 Interesting, yea mm hmm, like maybe he had a worse 1:00:57.560 --> 1:00:58.520 brother that killed him. 1:00:59.000 --> 1:00:59.480 Maybe. 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:01.680 Wow, I'm concerned about this family. 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:04.520 Yeah, yep. 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:09.960 Well, we'll be moving on to greener pastures on bear 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:14.000 Grease after this one. Next next episode is going to 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:16.200 be really good. I can't tell you what it's about, 1:01:16.280 --> 1:01:16.959 but I. 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:20.200 Cam I'll call Dan Carter and ask him the country. 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:23.920 Life DM men, I'll tell you what it is. 1:01:25.080 --> 1:01:27.640 Well, thank all you guys for coming much appreciated. 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:35.360 Go see yeah two yeah yeah, yeah. 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:37.920 Hey, Josh, you know, I tell you you said something 1:01:37.960 --> 1:01:40.800 about my beard every table, what my grandpa said about. 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:41.800 The first beard I grew. 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:45.000 He said that looks ridiculous, I said, why, he said, 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:48.040 I would not cultivate on my face, what grows wild 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:48.840 on my behind? 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:58.680 My gosh, I broke out my passport from nineteen ninety 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:01.880 four and showing, showing these guys my little pencil mustache 1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:03.800 that I was really proud of back then, because that's 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:06.600 all I could all I could grow, was like seventeen 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.720 hairs on each side, like. 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:10.800 A hen turkey with a beer. 1:02:11.160 --> 1:02:13.360 Yeah,