Speaker 1: Should we do just one more with Lynn? Today?
Speaker 2: I say yes.
Speaker 3: And in the last two episodes, you guys know, we
Speaker 3: talked about how his musicals have completely changed Broadway Forever,
Speaker 3: which kind of begs the question, how does he follow
Speaker 3: that up?
Speaker 1: HM? Writing a one man show about the inspiring and
Speaker 1: handsome host of a wildly popular podcast chronicling the lives
Speaker 1: of the biggest Latin stars in the world.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure that's next on his to do list,
Speaker 3: But for today, why don't we follow Lynn from the
Speaker 3: Great White Way to Hollywood?
Speaker 1: Hey, he can write my story for the screen too.
Speaker 1: You know, I look great both ways? Hold on?
Speaker 2: Where am I in all of this?
Speaker 1: Hey? It's called show business? Those not show friends?
Speaker 2: Hold up?
Speaker 1: Hold up? Hold up?
Speaker 3: Did you just weaponize Jerry McGuire against.
Speaker 1: A Sorry, I'm not sorry?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, while you're planning for my demise, let's give
Speaker 3: the listeners what they came here for.
Speaker 1: On today's episode, From Moana to Tiptick Boom, Lin Manuel
Speaker 1: takes on Tentheltown.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Lilianavosquez.
Speaker 1: And I'm Joseph Carrio, and this is becoming an icon a.
Speaker 3: Weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on how
Speaker 3: today's most famous LATINX stars have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 1: And given the world some extras.
Speaker 2: Lebt, sit back and get comfortable.
Speaker 1: Because we are going in the only way we know how,
Speaker 1: with Buena's.
Speaker 3: Usbunasrisas, some cheese, and a lot of opinions as we
Speaker 3: relive their greatest achievements on our journey to find out
Speaker 3: what makes them so iconic. Will Miranda grew up enamored
Speaker 3: by musicals. He references Stephen Sodenheim in literally everything.
Speaker 1: But there's another Stephen that captured his creative little heart, and.
Speaker 3: That would be Steven Spielberg, someone he's long admired and
Speaker 3: look up to. He basically wanted to be Spielberg.
Speaker 1: Hey, there can be only one Spielberg.
Speaker 3: Exactly, which meant that Lynn had to craft his own
Speaker 3: path by doing what he does best to make a
Speaker 3: name for himself.
Speaker 1: Which at this point in his career wasn't too daunting
Speaker 1: of an ask.
Speaker 3: He is Linn Manoel, Yes, and Lynn's career still had
Speaker 3: a long way to go, but his next project would
Speaker 3: lead him to one of his biggest dreams, making his
Speaker 3: own movie.
Speaker 1: Let's set the stage. It's twenty thirteen and Hamilton isn't
Speaker 1: on Broadway yet.
Speaker 3: Yes, Lynn is out there presenting the Hamilton mixtape, making
Speaker 3: the rounds off Broadway.
Speaker 1: People saw this show and thought, wait, this kid's got something.
Speaker 3: He definitely had that X factor, and Disney called him
Speaker 3: in for an interview for what would ultimately become Moanna.
Speaker 1: Lynn to interview.
Speaker 2: Well in twenty thirteen, he did tough crowd.
Speaker 3: In an article from The New York Times, Miranda said this,
Speaker 3: I interviewed in the winter of twenty thirteen and got
Speaker 3: the job in the spring, seven and a half months
Speaker 3: before Hamilton opened at the Public. I'd sent them a
Speaker 3: six song demo stuff that emphasized going between languages. I
Speaker 3: knew a component would be working with Samoan and being
Speaker 3: able to thread that needle gracefully and clearly.
Speaker 1: The rest was history. Literally.
Speaker 3: Disney hired Lynn Manuel in twenty fourteen, just one year
Speaker 3: before Hamilton premiered on Broadway.
Speaker 1: How did he even have time? I'm stressed for him.
Speaker 2: Well, so was Disney.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You would think that they were so excited about being
Speaker 3: able to attach the creator of Hamilton to Mowana, But
Speaker 3: Disney saw Hamilton as a distraction for.
Speaker 1: Lynn, Wait, have you seen Moana?
Speaker 2: Never? Not even one frame?
Speaker 1: What about Santia?
Speaker 2: Nope, we don't really do screens yet. And I just
Speaker 2: haven't seen Molana.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm like the only person on earth and
Speaker 3: just be honest, you guys, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Should I uh you have homework? Seriously. But for those
Speaker 1: that haven't seen it, Lil Mowana takes place in ancient Polynesia.
Speaker 1: A terrible curse unleashed by the demigod Maui voiced by
Speaker 1: Dwayne the Rock Johnston reaches Moana's island. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of fun music, cute animations, and a quirky little chicken
Speaker 1: that probably has a lot of issues.
Speaker 3: Thanks Joseph. I mean, I feel like that definitely makes
Speaker 3: me want to see it. Feels right up my two
Speaker 3: year old's ali. Anyway, Lynn and his writing partners worked
Speaker 3: on Mowana for two years. It finally opened in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: and it was a smash.
Speaker 1: Hit m and that Your Welcome Song was everywhere.
Speaker 3: Apparently torturing parents everywhere along the way as well. See
Speaker 3: this is why I don't let my child watch movies
Speaker 3: or Disney movies, because I know that if I let
Speaker 3: him watch a show that has music that I don't like.
Speaker 2: Guess what We're going to be singing.
Speaker 3: In the car, in the backed up in the kitchen,
Speaker 3: like it is going to be Moana in my house,
Speaker 3: Like we are going to be living in Moana.
Speaker 1: So don't let him listen to this, because both of
Speaker 1: you guys are going to love the music.
Speaker 3: I know, and the standout song from the movie is
Speaker 3: something called how Far I'll Go?
Speaker 2: And oh god that okay, okay, okay, Mowana are you Mowana?
Speaker 1: Are you mooa ma wotha right?
Speaker 2: Well, all I know is that.
Speaker 3: How Far I'll Go earned Lynn his very first OSCAR nomination.
Speaker 1: Here comes the Egot.
Speaker 3: Not quite yet, but soon Buffy Soon Disney had a
Speaker 3: taste of Miranda, and they, like us, couldn't get enough.
Speaker 1: So no more interviewing for Lynn.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 3: Soon Lynn was in Star Wars The Force Awakens, a
Speaker 3: reboot of Ducktails.
Speaker 1: I loved that show and I want to swim through
Speaker 1: money like Scrooge McDuck.
Speaker 3: I just want the money. I don't want to swim
Speaker 3: in it. I just want it in my bank account.
Speaker 3: But then Lynn got the call for Mary Poppins's returns.
Speaker 3: That's right, and he played Jack the Lamplighter, and audiences
Speaker 3: thought he was perfect for the part.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, correction, not all audiences.
Speaker 3: Personally me myself and I I don't know. I kind
Speaker 3: of found the way he played Jack like a little
Speaker 3: too campy and that like really bad Cockney accent was
Speaker 3: just such a destruction for me. It was like a
Speaker 3: no goo, especially because he's playing opposite Emily Blunt and
Speaker 3: she's actually British.
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I feel it was really a miscast. I mean that
Speaker 1: I feel he was very distracting for me in it,
Speaker 1: you know, being next to Emily Blunt and her real accent.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I do And guess what, we are honest on this show.
Speaker 3: And we do not love all of the projects, all
Speaker 3: of the albums. I love those still, we don't have to.
Speaker 3: But that being said, this role was huge for Lynn
Speaker 3: and it was the first role after leaving Hamilton, so
Speaker 3: it made a massive impact on his career and I
Speaker 3: feel like it made him a household name.
Speaker 1: It did. But I'm going to say this, I Lynn,
Speaker 1: don't be upset with me, Maimbu. I was kind of
Speaker 1: getting tired of seeing him. Why I feel like he
Speaker 1: was like everywhere.
Speaker 3: Okay, no, No, first of all, you're saying like he
Speaker 3: was overexposed. I know what you're saying. And yes, there
Speaker 3: are times in an artist career where you feel like
Speaker 3: I'm listening to them in my headphones, I'm watching them
Speaker 3: on my screen.
Speaker 2: I feel like they all write a book.
Speaker 3: They're doing the morning press tour, and like that is
Speaker 3: part of the job of being a celebrity.
Speaker 2: It's part of the job of an icon.
Speaker 3: You have to be in people's faces all the time
Speaker 3: for them to know who you are.
Speaker 2: But I think that the Hamil fans.
Speaker 3: Just made him bigger than what the whole world was
Speaker 3: ready for, and it was like you couldn't escape it,
Speaker 3: Like what if you didn't love Hamilton? And I don't
Speaker 3: want to know people that don't like Hamilton, because like
Speaker 3: we can't be friends. Like there are certain films and
Speaker 3: certain musicals that like, if you're not a fan of
Speaker 3: we can't be friends. La La Land is one of
Speaker 3: them as a film, and Hamilton is one of them
Speaker 3: when it comes to musicals.
Speaker 2: But he was everywhere and Disney noticed this.
Speaker 3: I mean, wouldn't you say that Disney was like enamourado
Speaker 3: go on Lynn.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They were like Stage five clingers, obsessed
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 2: How many stages are there? Out of ten guys, we
Speaker 2: could be here. Disney was all about Lynn.
Speaker 3: Disney actually turned Disney Plus into like the Linn Manuel
Speaker 3: Channel between Mowana and Hamilton.
Speaker 1: So Lynn knew he could make the big ask.
Speaker 3: And the ass was for an animated film rooted in
Speaker 3: Latino culture. And naturally they said yes, or I should
Speaker 3: say Finally, someone said yes because.
Speaker 1: They said the they said f.
Speaker 2: So here's what happened.
Speaker 3: The creators of Sutopia were already at Disney working on
Speaker 3: a musical, so naturally they put them in touch with Lynn,
Speaker 3: and before anyone could say anything, they had themselves a
Speaker 3: musical set in a Colombian town where everyone has magical
Speaker 3: powers except.
Speaker 2: One member of the family.
Speaker 1: Is that Bruno.
Speaker 2: We do not talk about him.
Speaker 1: Well, maybe we do. Keep listening to becoming an Icon
Speaker 1: and find out anyway.
Speaker 3: And Ganto follows the Familia Madrigal and oh boy, do
Speaker 3: they have issues.
Speaker 1: So it's an accurate representation of Latino culture. Goodness, Jobno
Speaker 1: and Ganto.
Speaker 3: And the soundtrack were a huge success. But the standout,
Speaker 3: and I think on this one we can all agree
Speaker 3: was we don't talk about Brune No no no.
Speaker 1: It became the number one song on the bill Board charts.
Speaker 1: Like that is great z.
Speaker 3: This man can deliver when it comes to lyrics and music,
Speaker 3: so much so that Miranda earned another Academy Award nomination
Speaker 3: for Those Urugitas for Best Original Song. You know what's
Speaker 3: crazy about that Caterpillar song.
Speaker 1: That it's going to be the remix song about Bunny
Speaker 1: and I while I dance at our wedding.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're gonna have to fight Kendall for him, but
Speaker 3: I am so here for that, and I fully will
Speaker 3: take you in a fight over Kendall any day. But
Speaker 3: what I was saying was that Those Urugitas was the
Speaker 3: first song Lynn had ever written entirely in Espanol, and
Speaker 3: when asked about it, he said it was important to
Speaker 3: me that I write it in Spain rather than write
Speaker 3: it in English and translate it because you can always
Speaker 3: feel the translation.
Speaker 2: Lynn. I feel that statement so deep.
Speaker 3: Wow, Joseph, how many times have we had to translate
Speaker 3: lyrics on this podcast?
Speaker 1: Not it's just not it, it's just you need and
Speaker 1: so you know what. That makes me like him even
Speaker 1: more because it has to be these words, because you
Speaker 1: have to feel it in Spanish, you do.
Speaker 3: And it's like when we translate bad Bunny, especially when
Speaker 3: there's like deep meaning behind the lyrics and like a
Speaker 3: masterful poetry that's happening there, Like hmmm, we're failing you
Speaker 3: guys by translating.
Speaker 1: That's true. It's true.
Speaker 3: Whether you heard it in Spanish or translated it to English.
Speaker 3: It didn't matter because critics adored the song, saying it
Speaker 3: was the best one from the entire En Ganto soundtrack.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. And here comes the Pegot.
Speaker 2: Well, no, he didn't win for this one either.
Speaker 1: Damn. What I got to do to get a Pegot?
Speaker 2: Well a lot?
Speaker 3: You need a Peabody and me wait, I'm not done.
Speaker 3: A Grammy, an Oscar and a Tony And further record,
Speaker 3: do you know that there are only three other he
Speaker 3: Gots in the world in the history.
Speaker 1: I actually want to know who they are? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because Lynn is going to be one. I'm serious, So
Speaker 1: he's going to be number four. But who are they?
Speaker 3: Okay, Barbis streisand Ah Hovey, Mike Nichols, Rita Modano, of.
Speaker 1: Course, but listen, I feel like they got those. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Mike Nichols, but Barbara and Rita got those
Speaker 1: back in the day. So are we just a little
Speaker 1: too hard now?
Speaker 2: I think that the landscape has changed a lot.
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, there are three
Speaker 3: on the planet. In the history of mankind. This is
Speaker 3: not easy to get. But if anybody is positioned to
Speaker 3: get it in our time of our generation. And I'm
Speaker 3: going to say our generation because Lyn's my age, he's
Speaker 3: forty three, it's Lynn Menuel.
Speaker 2: But let's go back to en Ganto. What do we
Speaker 2: think of her?
Speaker 1: Oh? My god? Stop? It is one of my favorite movies.
Speaker 1: So my favorite Disney movie growing up was Mulan because
Speaker 1: I never really identified to any of the other princesses,
Speaker 1: and now having in Kanto, it is literally my favorite
Speaker 1: movie Disney has ever made until I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're gonna make new ones, but there I love that
Speaker 1: movie so much I cannot There's not one part in
Speaker 1: the movie that I don't like.
Speaker 3: I don't just fast forward like you watch it start. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, like we're pretty strict with screen time. We
Speaker 3: don't really do it in our house you know, my
Speaker 3: son's he's not even two years old yet, and I
Speaker 3: am waiting until his second birthday. And the way I
Speaker 3: want to celebrate it, like our mommy and Santi birthday
Speaker 3: day is going to be by watching en Ganto together
Speaker 3: for that same reason that you just said, Like I
Speaker 3: get goosebumps thinking about it, because same like my favorite
Speaker 3: Disney movie of all time is The Little Mermaid and
Speaker 3: when I was a little girl, I would watch it
Speaker 3: on re pete with my cousins and I literally begged
Speaker 3: for like a red Wig because I just wanted to
Speaker 3: look like one of the princesses. And I loved snow
Speaker 3: White and I love Cinderella, but there was something about
Speaker 3: Aril that I think I just like identified with, like
Speaker 3: her desire for something different, to get out of the
Speaker 3: world that she was surrounded by. And again I was
Speaker 3: like little watching this and I already felt it, which
Speaker 3: is so crazy because it's like we don't think little
Speaker 3: kids are capable of like really big emotions.
Speaker 2: But we are.
Speaker 3: Because at that age I was in my cousin's house
Speaker 3: in Miami watching it. I was like, wait, I want
Speaker 3: out of this world, Like I want to see bigger
Speaker 3: and better and like, hello, I just wanted something else,
Speaker 3: And I feel like movies can do that. They're like
Speaker 3: they transport you to something else and and ganho like
Speaker 3: what it did for an entire demographic of children, like
Speaker 3: seeing curly hair on the screen, different types of curly
Speaker 3: hair on the screen, singing different like seeing different skin tones,
Speaker 3: like say what you will about lin Manuel. You might
Speaker 3: not be a huge fan of him. You maybe didn't
Speaker 3: see Hamilton, you haven't heard Hamilton. Like he changed the
Speaker 3: world with Anganto for children everywhere, and to me he
Speaker 3: is like he is a real life angel and a saint.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this about Akanto. Finally there's a
Speaker 1: movie that I feel like I can relate to our
Speaker 1: family issues that we all try to pretend like we're perfect.
Speaker 1: Like you go to everyone's house and they're all perfect,
Speaker 1: and everything's all clean, everything like this and everything. Everyone's
Speaker 1: in a good mood, and you're da and all of that,
Speaker 1: and you can just really see all of the real,
Speaker 1: raw motions that these people are trying to hide. And
Speaker 1: I felt like I was watching my family on the screen.
Speaker 3: It exposes all of the generational trauma that we've been
Speaker 3: hiding for generations and generations, and we as parents now
Speaker 3: or as adults that are in other relationships, whether they're
Speaker 3: romantic relations platonic relationships, we are breaking the generational trauma
Speaker 3: curses because we get to watch this and go, holy shit,
Speaker 3: can't let this happen anymore? And Gun does like a
Speaker 3: really powerful film like I could. Yes, we could do
Speaker 3: an entire the whole episode. I'm ready for it. Okay,
Speaker 3: that'll be our next podcast. But for now, let's go
Speaker 3: back to Lynn, right, because he is the mastermind behind
Speaker 3: all of this.
Speaker 2: Even though he didn't win.
Speaker 3: The Oscar It's okay, y'all, he is doing just fine
Speaker 3: without it and seeing us. He's only forty three years young,
Speaker 3: like me, he has got plenty of time.
Speaker 2: And it is bound to come very very soon.
Speaker 1: Honestly, probably coming sooner than you think.
Speaker 2: Oh, excuse me, do you know something? Do you have
Speaker 2: a line to Lynn? Don't hold out.
Speaker 1: On us, dish Well, I know that there's an animated
Speaker 1: film about a young girl who lives a hunder the sea,
Speaker 1: and that Lynn wrote new songs for the live action adaptation.
Speaker 1: If that doesn't sound like Oscar wait to you, well, then.
Speaker 2: The Little Mermaid.
Speaker 1: Hashtag My Little Mermaid, Ali, you are Forever.
Speaker 3: Ariel Lynn started working on the film in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 3: and in addition to classics like Part of Your World
Speaker 3: and Kiss the Girl, Lynn wrote for brand new songs
Speaker 3: for the film, and he's also co producing.
Speaker 1: I Mean boy named his son Sebastian after the crab
Speaker 1: in og Little Mermaid, So you know these songs are
Speaker 1: going to be lit. But to be honest, I desperately
Speaker 1: feel like he needs a little work intervention. I'm over
Speaker 1: here at trying to be bare minimum Monday while Miranda.
Speaker 3: Is singing the lead role. In twenty twenty one's Vivo Yup,
Speaker 3: he played the titular character and provided eleven songs for the.
Speaker 1: Film, Lynn like can you chill? You're making us all
Speaker 1: look bad.
Speaker 3: He is truly NonStop and Vivo was the highest viewed
Speaker 3: film on Netflix during its release.
Speaker 1: Lynn Manuel add some songs, sprinkle a little singing and
Speaker 1: give yourself a huge hit?
Speaker 2: Wait was that Julie the Child? I'm persulamation, I am trying.
Speaker 3: I am traumatized, our listeners are traumatized. During our first
Speaker 3: LINN episode, we talked all things in the heights.
Speaker 1: And thanks for listening, And now listen to it again
Speaker 1: and share and rate five stars. Thank you and.
Speaker 2: Please, Yes, thank you and please.
Speaker 1: But we didn't discuss In the Heights the movie, So
Speaker 1: here's the tea coming up after the break.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight, Universal bought the rights to
Speaker 3: the show and they said they planned to adapt it
Speaker 3: into a film for release in twenty eleven, but they
Speaker 3: ended up shelving it because they only wanted to do
Speaker 3: the film with a quote bankable Latino star.
Speaker 2: So in their words, like Jalo or.
Speaker 1: Shaki, they could have called me, I would have done it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, since they couldn't find her number, they canceled
Speaker 3: the project.
Speaker 1: Rude.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to twenty sixteen, when Lynn's little founding father's project.
Speaker 2: Is Everywhere and In the Heights is back on.
Speaker 3: Miranda would co produce the film with Harvey Weinstein and
Speaker 3: John m chu was on board to direct Yi exactly,
Speaker 3: and as we all know, Harvey Weinstein turned out to
Speaker 3: be a disgusting and.
Speaker 2: A rapist.
Speaker 1: A man to that.
Speaker 3: Which means Harvey was removed from the film and the
Speaker 3: rights to the movie were auctioned off to Warner Brothers
Speaker 3: for a cool fifteen million dollars just one problem. Miranda
Speaker 3: had gotten a little too old to star in the film.
Speaker 2: He had originated the role of Usnavi, but he had
Speaker 2: a couple more gray hairs now, and he decided that
Speaker 2: he shouldn't play the league.
Speaker 1: This is where I get the call.
Speaker 3: Actually wrong, Anthony Ramos got the call. Who is so hot?
Speaker 1: By the way, really, but we're always up for the
Speaker 1: same roles anyways.
Speaker 2: Well you're not here're not fine?
Speaker 1: It's my birth year.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine.
Speaker 3: Well, Miranda decided that he would be a better fit for.
Speaker 2: A much smaller role, you know them, aka the Biagua guy.
Speaker 3: He said, I was very content to let Anthony and
Speaker 3: this incredible cast have their own.
Speaker 1: Experience, my humble short king. I loved, loved the movie.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of hate, but I loved it.
Speaker 1: Did you see it?
Speaker 2: I did see it.
Speaker 3: I saw it like when it opened, and I was
Speaker 3: super excited for it, and I was ready to like
Speaker 3: dance in the streets along with the cast, but I
Speaker 3: was dancing by myself because nobody liked it.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm glad we're here talking about that because I
Speaker 1: know that it was going to be huge. And then
Speaker 1: there was the backlash, and what did you think about
Speaker 1: the backlash.
Speaker 3: I think that for some reason, Latinos love to hate
Speaker 3: on other Latinos.
Speaker 2: It is so prevalent, it is so toxic.
Speaker 3: It is what holds us down, and we will always
Speaker 3: find something wrong.
Speaker 2: It is like how we were raised.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean, It's like you know
Speaker 3: the thing, like you know, when you walk into your
Speaker 3: house and you're the seas for the first time in
Speaker 3: three months, he's like, I get like, Eita, I.
Speaker 1: Was about to Okay, it's not a compliment.
Speaker 2: It's negative.
Speaker 3: Or you walk in and like maybe you gained a
Speaker 3: few pounds and they're like, I meet, that's going to Vita.
Speaker 3: So like, no one's ever happy like Latinos. We cannot
Speaker 3: just be satisfied. And here you have this movie that
Speaker 3: celebrates so many beautiful things about our culture, and you know,
Speaker 3: people wanted to talk about how.
Speaker 2: It was miscast, it was whitewashed.
Speaker 1: They don't like, yeah, tell us about the backlash. So
Speaker 1: people so people know the backlash.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they didn't appreciate how it looked.
Speaker 3: They thought, if you've ever spent any time in Washington Heights,
Speaker 3: like that's not what the community looks like like Lynn
Speaker 3: is reflecting a more Hollywood version of Washington Heights in
Speaker 3: this film, and people were pissed.
Speaker 2: And I don't disagree.
Speaker 3: That there could always be more diversity on screen and
Speaker 3: a more realistic representation.
Speaker 2: And using the excuse that, oh.
Speaker 3: There's not enough actors that fit those roles, that's garbage.
Speaker 3: That's absolutely not true. So we should always be aspiring
Speaker 3: to create and see more diversity on screen. But I
Speaker 3: think that the net net of the film could have
Speaker 3: been so incredible for us as a community, and it
Speaker 3: wasn't because it got murder in all the backlash. I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: it was also released during the pandemic, which is never good.
Speaker 3: It wasn't good for the movie business. It wasn't good
Speaker 3: for the industry. They'd already held it for so.
Speaker 1: Long that really was a tough time.
Speaker 3: But I thought the movie was beautiful, and as somebody
Speaker 3: that loves this show on Broadway has seen it on Broadway,
Speaker 3: and the fact that like Anthony rammelse got like this
Speaker 3: amazing role, I mean, he's a breakout star. Like I
Speaker 3: just I supported this film because I support US, I
Speaker 3: support latinos, and everyone needed to get on board with that,
Speaker 3: and sadly we all didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, I did. I'm for it. I just
Speaker 1: loved the movie so much more for even being able
Speaker 1: to paint that picture.
Speaker 2: I agree again.
Speaker 3: I think it is a celebration of one of our
Speaker 3: many Latino cultures, and as Latinos, we need to celebrate
Speaker 3: all of it because we as Latinos, rarely get these
Speaker 3: moments in film where there is such a huge stage
Speaker 3: to stand on. Just y'all show up, like buy the tickets,
Speaker 3: be a hype man for the Gouda.
Speaker 2: It is our job.
Speaker 3: That is the only way we're going to get like
Speaker 3: the Latino equivalent of like crazy rich Asians, which I
Speaker 3: think a lot of people thought this could be it
Speaker 3: Like if we don't do this, we don't support our
Speaker 3: own We're never going to get there. Okay, I'm getting
Speaker 3: off my soapbox. I'm going back to lind Men. While
Speaker 3: random By now loved it, loved it so in the
Speaker 3: heights is in the can it airs. It's not the
Speaker 3: hit that we all wanted it to be. But one
Speaker 3: thing we've learned throughout this entire process, whether it's his
Speaker 3: time on stage, his time behind the camera, or his
Speaker 3: time on screen.
Speaker 2: Lynn does not enjoy his time off. He doesn't take
Speaker 2: it clearly.
Speaker 1: Before long, he was working on a new HBO show
Speaker 1: called His Dark Materials, based off of the classic fantasy
Speaker 1: trilogy written by Philip Pullman.
Speaker 3: You always find so many ways to surprise me, Joseph Oh,
Speaker 3: and you forgot to add. Lynn was also producing one
Speaker 3: of my favorite shows that's ever aired, Fossey Verdon for FX.
Speaker 1: Hands Hips has God Asss.
Speaker 3: I love that, I love Fossy Okay, So Lynn should
Speaker 3: have definitely called you in for this one. The show
Speaker 3: followed the life of Broadway dancer, choreographer and director Bob
Speaker 3: Fosse and his wife, dancer Gwen.
Speaker 1: Verdon, starring Sam Rockwell and Michelle Williams. It was so good.
Speaker 3: If you guys have not please please find it and
Speaker 3: go and watch it.
Speaker 1: Lynn loves being invested and involved in all his projects.
Speaker 3: So when In the Heights came back around, it was
Speaker 3: a bit of a surprise to everyone that not only
Speaker 3: did he not want the starring role, but he also
Speaker 3: didn't want to direct the film.
Speaker 2: Instead, he asked John M.
Speaker 3: Chew to step behind the camera and Lynn would shadow him.
Speaker 2: He knew that he still had a lot.
Speaker 1: To learn humble short pay and I happened.
Speaker 3: To know somebody who could take a little lesson in
Speaker 3: humbleness from Lynn.
Speaker 2: I'm talking da yeaw.
Speaker 3: Lynn took time to learn from Chew and observe how
Speaker 3: a director runs a major movie set, and then he
Speaker 3: took those lessons and applied them.
Speaker 1: To Tick Boom, which is written by the writer of Rent.
Speaker 3: Yes, Jonathan Larson, And y'all, this is a beautiful moment because.
Speaker 2: Now we've come full circle.
Speaker 3: Do you see all the parallels between Larsen and Lynn
Speaker 3: go on. They're both composers, both chasing their dreams, fack,
Speaker 3: both under pressure from life's clock.
Speaker 1: Well, girl, I hear that clock. We're all loud, don't
Speaker 1: we all?
Speaker 3: And trust me, if you love Rent, you are going
Speaker 3: to love tick tick Boom. Andrew Garfield is magical in
Speaker 3: this and it never got the airtime or the buzz
Speaker 3: that I hoped it would get.
Speaker 2: But for somebody that.
Speaker 3: Loves Broadway and loves musicals, you guys, this is like
Speaker 3: a love letter to those artists who create them.
Speaker 2: You've got to see this, Joseph, have you seen this?
Speaker 1: I actually was going to tell you I haven't. I
Speaker 1: am fascinated to want to see it because I'm coming
Speaker 1: to realize that maybe I love lin Manuel. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize there was so many things that I like about him,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, oh my god, all the stuff
Speaker 1: that I really like is like has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with Lin Manuel. So now I want to see
Speaker 1: Tik tick Boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what makes listening to a podcast
Speaker 3: so fun, is that, Like you go into it being like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of a fan of, for example, Linn Manuel,
Speaker 3: and then.
Speaker 2: You see all of.
Speaker 3: These connective tissues between projects that you love, like in Gunho,
Speaker 3: with projects that maybe you don't know a lot about,
Speaker 3: like tick tick Boom, and you're like, well, if he
Speaker 3: created in Gunhal, then his DNA is in Gnho, which
Speaker 3: means his DNA is in tick tick Boom. And just
Speaker 3: so I can give you guys, like a little summary
Speaker 3: about Tik tick Boom, because again, I don't feel like
Speaker 3: it got the press that it deserved. So it's basically
Speaker 3: based on this autobiographical one man show by Jonathan Larson,
Speaker 3: who is the incredibly talented composer and writer of Rent
Speaker 3: the Musical, and he actually died right before the opening
Speaker 3: night of the show on Broadway. It's incredibly tragic. I know,
Speaker 3: it's like literally made for a movie. And so I
Speaker 3: think what people saw in Lynn and Larsen was just
Speaker 3: a lot of parallels, a lot of similarities. They're both
Speaker 3: young musical prodigies, obsessed with their work, passionate about their artistry,
Speaker 3: and wait, here's this.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 3: On Miranda's seventeenth birthday he actually saw Rent and he
Speaker 3: says it was the first time that he saw that
Speaker 3: musicals didn't have to be about like cowboys in Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: like Austrian's Escaping the Nazis or nineteen twenty Chicago. He
Speaker 3: realized that musicals could actually be the stories of the
Speaker 3: kind of people that Miranda saw every day. And just
Speaker 3: a few years later, when he was in college, he
Speaker 3: began writing and creating his Tony Award winning show in
Speaker 3: the Heights.
Speaker 1: Wait, look, I'm going to tell you this. You know
Speaker 1: how I think Selina's spirit went into j Lo did
Speaker 1: Larsen go into Lynn? I'm done for any of the
Speaker 1: podcast about podcast is over. Thank you so much. You're
Speaker 1: staying on our next.
Speaker 2: Episode of becoming an Icon.
Speaker 3: Through this journey, we've seen Lynn Manuel Miranda go from
Speaker 3: young and scrappy in this like hungry Puerto Rican teen
Speaker 3: raised in Inwood to this global cultural phenomenon and beyond
Speaker 3: the projects that he created or helped in producing and writing,
Speaker 3: He's become a voice for those desiring a shift, like
Speaker 3: a seismic shift in the industry.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm going to tell you this. He
Speaker 1: still hasn't called me back, and I think I might
Speaker 1: cut him out of becoming an icon.
Speaker 2: The musical Oh wait, are we saying now?
Speaker 1: It's what the people want these days, lil.
Speaker 3: I don't know that they want a musical version of
Speaker 3: this podcast, but you know what, we will put it
Speaker 3: out there. And if we are looking for a producer
Speaker 3: and a writer and a composer, Lynn, you're number one
Speaker 3: on the call.
Speaker 1: She.
Speaker 3: All we know is that Lynn's work is going to
Speaker 3: live forever.
Speaker 1: Yes, Hamilton will go on and on and on, but
Speaker 1: also Awana and then cut the Wild too.
Speaker 3: An entire generation of people will grow up listening to
Speaker 3: his music and be inspired by that.
Speaker 1: What could possibly be more iconic than.
Speaker 2: That becoming an icon?
Speaker 3: The musical starring Jlo Shakira, Lynn, Ritchy Bad Bunny, Oh
Speaker 3: my God, Are we taking it on tour?
Speaker 2: Are we going to a stage near you?
Speaker 1: Billion Airs Billionaires?
Speaker 3: Next on Becoming an Icon another triple threat singer, actor, dancer.
Speaker 1: And a downright inspiration to all.
Speaker 3: He blew open the doors for every Latino artist out
Speaker 3: there now. Enrique Martin Morales aka Ricky Martin. Becoming an
Speaker 3: Icon is presented by Sonoo and Iheart's Michael dudda podcast network.
Speaker 3: Listen to Becoming an Icon on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast,
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